Dwight Howard Talks About Leaving Magic

[MichaelAngelo]

He is bouncing......


Dwight Howard Talks About Leaving Magic (http://bit.ly/oqTcIi)

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[QUOTE] SR: Do you think that the drive to represent, on an iconic level, will be a factor in your free agency? Do you see yourself in a much larger market?

DH: There

[niko]

The league is negotiating a new CBA right now, why talk like this? The more stars talk like this, the more the owners will try to make huge restrictions on their stars leaving. You think Orlando signs off on a CBA that ensures Dwight leaving?

[G-Funk]

Sucks to say but he's gone

[guy]

Wow. Bad timing I must say. But with the Carmelo rule and elimination of sign-and-trades, which I believe will be part of the new CBA, doesn't this mean there is no way Howard can even go to the Lakers? Actually, he does have a player option so maybe there's a way around that. But if Orlando just flat out refuses to help him get to the Lakers, I believe the only big market teams he can go to are the Clippers, Knicks, Nets, or Celtics.

[NBAller]

Good for him. Don't be a slave to whatever city you're in because of a few websites and burgers. If they really love you they won't change that stuff, you know?

[iDunk]

He's so gone its not even debatable.

I personally think he's going to Brooklyn, but don't be shocked if this guy joins forces with CP3.

[Yung D-Will]

Way to help the owners o.o

[bagelred]

DaWhite HowWeird

[Darius]

If there's an amnesty clause they can jettison Arenas and sign some help for him

[bagelred]

Look for the Magic to give New Orleans anything they want for Chris Paul. Still won't work.

[pauk]

good... maybe Dwight can then turn attention away from Lebron leaving.... :lol

[HylianNightmare]

ready for andre drummond

[greensborohill]

Bucher says his #1 prefered destination is Big D

[Clippersfan86]

We all knew this though. Even Magic fans all know he's gone. I haven't heard a single Magic fan in denial claiming he's staying for sure etc. It's sad to me that superstars of our generation aren't playing their entire careers with their original team like they did back in the day.

He's had more success than most superstars ever have with his finals trip other deep playoff runs. It's not like the guy is deprived and a consistent first round exit like KG was.

[PistonsFan#21]

Bucher says his #1 prefered destination is Big D

Big D as in Detroit :eek: :banana:

:hammertime:

[Crown&Coke]

Bucher says his #1 prefered destination is Big D

OMG, that would be sick

[guy]

I think Boston is being overlooked as a possible destination for him. Like I said, under the old CBA, the Lakers would've only been able to get him through a sign-and-trade. With the new CBA, the Carmelo rule will prohibit trading a player before July 1st of the last year of their contract, and sign-and-trades will be prohibited. The only way the Lakers could trade for him is if they do it this season and Howard exercises his player option so he's still under the same contract. But at best, the Magic would get back Gasol + Bynum, but they'd have to include a contract like Arenas, but more then likely they'll be able to amnesty Arenas anyway. So then they'd probably include Hedo. Bynum is injury prone and would only have another year left anyway, and Gasol will be 31. There's a good chance they'd probably think getting those guys and getting rid of Hedo's contract just to be mediocre with no bright future in sight isn't worth the backlash they'd get from fans for helping Howard go to a place he wouldn't have been able to otherwise.

So like I said, the other options are the Knicks, Nets, Celtics, and Clippers. Clippers are historically bad and have horrible ownership so lets scratch that. The Knicks already have 2 huge contracts, and if they sign Howard they're basically just going to be able to put minimum level players around them. Not to mention, he'd get the ball even less and although he'd clearly be the biggest star there, Melo and Amare will take some shine away. With Brooklyn, they could easily become the Clippers of New York, the Nets aren't historically a great franchise, and there's still question marks about the ownership and his direction. In Boston, he'd play with Rondo and Pierce, possibly have Allen and KG for a few more years, and he'd be worshipped and heralded as the second coming of Bill Russell.

[Clippersfan86]

OMG, that would be sick

Yea would be a good fit BUT Dallas has absolutely ZERO chance to grab Dwight. Why? No assets and no cap. You better believe Orlando is trading him even if it means taking a lesser deal. They can't afford to just let him walk in free agency and that would be naive.

Dallas' best players are all older guys in their early-mid 30's. Who would Orlando want from that squad that's actually a part of future plans? At best Dirk can give you 2-3 more all star seasons, which is FAR from a good trade for Dwight. Besides Cuban is so close to Dirk I doubt he'd ever move the guy even if it means for an upgrade.

[greensborohill]

Yea would be a good fit BUT Dallas has absolutely ZERO chance to grab Dwight. Why? No assets and no cap. You better believe Orlando is trading him even if it means taking a lesser deal. They can't afford to just let him walk in free agency and that would be naive.

Dallas' best players are all older guys in their early-mid 30's. Who would Orlando want from that squad that's actually a part of future plans? At best Dirk can give you 2-3 more all star seasons, which is FAR from a good trade for Dwight. Besides Cuban is so close to Dirk I doubt he'd ever move the guy even if it means for an upgrade.


I thought the same thing too, until I saw the Knicks/Melo trade

The player has all the pull in that one, unless the team trading for him is willing to take him and give up a sh!t ton w/o any promises that he re-signs. So I think it's a very real possibility and you'll prob see Dallas structure contracts accordingly once the lockout is over.

Besides, if your Orlando, and you know you are losing D12, you want to get as BAD as you possibly can to get more ping-pong balls. You don't want any half-ass might-be-something talent. You don't want to win 35 games. You want to do what the Cavs did.

Also: I missed the part in there where you actually thought Dirk was going to Orl.

1 - Dirk has a no-trade

2 - The idea is to couple superstars togeter.

Lastly, Dallas could take on a bad contract or two and give back expirings and #1's. It's doable. . . but like I said, and this is my main point D12 will dictate where he wants to go, either via trade or in F/A, he's really holding all the cards just as James & Carmelo did.

[Crown&Coke]

Yea would be a good fit BUT Dallas has absolutely ZERO chance to grab Dwight. Why? No assets and no cap. You better believe Orlando is trading him even if it means taking a lesser deal. They can't afford to just let him walk in free agency and that would be naive.

Dallas' best players are all older guys in their early-mid 30's. Who would Orlando want from that squad that's actually a part of future plans? At best Dirk can give you 2-3 more all star seasons, which is FAR from a good trade for Dwight. Besides Cuban is so close to Dirk I doubt he'd ever move the guy even if it means for an upgrade.

yea, I feel ya. I would only trade for Dwight if Dirk is around. Try and double that 4/5 combo :bowdown:

But forreals, Dallas has very little to offer. The only think desirable is Roddy Buckets and that young dude Dominique Jones, which is far from anything Orlando would even think about. Maybe S/T with Tyson, or Dallas taking on any salary Orlando wants to dump (you know Cuban would take on any contract)

Cuban tried to get the original Superman to team with Dirkules, what if he ends up getting the next Superman????

Dirk+DH would be uber sick to watch.

[greensborohill]

yea, I feel ya. I would only trade for Dwight if Dirk is around. Try and double that 4/5 combo :bowdown:

But forreals, Dallas has very little to offer. The only think desirable is Roddy Buckets and that young dude Dominique Jones, which is far from anything Orlando would even think about. Maybe S/T with Tyson, or Dallas taking on any salary Orlando wants to dump (you know Cuban would take on any contract)

Cuban tried to get the original Superman to team with Dirkules, what if he ends up getting the next Superman????

Dirk+DH would be uber sick to watch.


Dirk & D12 compliment each other, unlike James & Wade. Would be nice to see. Like I said, if Bucher's sources are correct and D12 wants to be here, he'll have a good shot of forcing his way here.

[Clippersfan86]

I thought the same thing too, until I saw the Knicks/Melo trade

The player has all the pull in that one, unless the team trading for him is willing to take him and give up a sh!t ton w/o any promises that he re-signs. So I think it's a very real possibility and you'll prob see Dallas structure contracts accordingly once the lockout is over.

Besides, if your Orlando, and you know you are losing D12, you want to get as BAD as you possibly can to get more ping-pong balls. You don't want any half-ass might-be-something talent. You don't want to win 35 games. You want to do what the Cavs did.

Also: I missed the part in there where you actually thought Dirk was going to Orl.

1 - Dirk has a no-trade

2 - The idea is to couple superstars togeter.

Lastly, Dallas could take on a bad contract or two and give back expirings and #1's. It's doable. . . but like I said, and this is my main point D12 will dictate where he wants to go, either via trade or in F/A, he's really holding all the cards just as James & Carmelo did.


Knicks situation is nothing like Mavericks one dude. The Nuggets got like 3-4 LEGIT young pieces in Gallinari, Chandler, Mozgov, Felton AND they got 2014 first rounder, 2 future second rounders and cash. Mavs literally don't have the assets to offer a relatively equal deal like that for Dwight. The Nuggets gave up a star player BUT added 4 capable rotation players and 3 starters. So they essentially went from a very deep team to arguably the deepest in the NBA.

Which is why they surprised everyone and ranked 1st in overall offense and like 7th in overall defense the second half of the season and took the league by storm. Unfortunately for Denver it's doubtful they will be able to keep half of the young talent they have.... but if they do watch out. This team reminds me of the 04 Pistons (not as dominant but REALLY underrated) where on any given night any player can bust your as* and they are like 9 deep as a roster.

[Clippersfan86]

yea, I feel ya. I would only trade for Dwight if Dirk is around. Try and double that 4/5 combo :bowdown:

But forreals, Dallas has very little to offer. The only think desirable is Roddy Buckets and that young dude Dominique Jones, which is far from anything Orlando would even think about. Maybe S/T with Tyson, or Dallas taking on any salary Orlando wants to dump (you know Cuban would take on any contract)

Cuban tried to get the original Superman to team with Dirkules, what if he ends up getting the next Superman????

Dirk+DH would be uber sick to watch.

Exactly. I agree it would be an amazingly good combo, they would work excellent together and all that but unfortunately we will never see it ; (. Dirk of last year+Dwight would of been the best combo in the league for sure in terms of dominance. Mavs would of swept the playoffs easily.

[greensborohill]

Plus therr's always the poss. of bringing in a 3rd team. D12 will go where he wants to go regardless of that teams cap situation. That's whay it's called free agency.

[Crown&Coke]

Dirk & D12 compliment each other, unlike James & Wade. Would be nice to see. Like I said, if Bucher's sources are correct and D12 wants to be here, he'll have a good shot of forcing his way here.

Come to think of it, I can't even think of a better star 4/5 combo ever which compliment each other as well as these two (based on style of play). Maybe Shaq/KG, maybe Sheed/Sabonis if we could have seen them in their relative respective primes.

But I am hesistant to trust Bucher unless I see who his sources are.

But Dallas has never been afraid to shake things up (which might have been the cause of their early exits previous years) But if you can get a Howard type, you go for it, even if you just got a title.

[guy]

I thought the same thing too, until I saw the Knicks/Melo trade

The player has all the pull in that one, unless the team trading for him is willing to take him and give up a sh!t ton w/o any promises that he re-signs. So I think it's a very real possibility and you'll prob see Dallas structure contracts accordingly once the lockout is over.

Besides, if your Orlando, and you know you are losing D12, you want to get as BAD as you possibly can to get more ping-pong balls. You don't want any half-ass might-be-something talent. You don't want to win 35 games. You want to do what the Cavs did.

Also: I missed the part in there where you actually thought Dirk was going to Orl.

1 - Dirk has a no-trade

2 - The idea is to couple superstars togeter.

Lastly, Dallas could take on a bad contract or two and give back expirings and #1's. It's doable. . . but like I said, and this is my main point D12 will dictate where he wants to go, either via trade or in F/A, he's really holding all the cards just as James & Carmelo did.

Melo dictated his way into NY though because NY would've had the cap space to sign him anyway during FA. Neither the Lakers or Dallas have that. This is not the same situation as Lebron or Melo at all, because none of the rumored preferred destinations of Howard will be able to sign him outright even without a sign-and-trade. And like I said, the new CBA will most likely prohibit sign-and-trades.

[Rekindled]

amare for dwight, then sign cp3.

Dwight
random FA pickup
Melo
Fields/Shumpert
Cp3/Tdoug

[Kblaze8855]

So who actually has cap space assuming the system stays the same? Ive heard little about it. I know all the major spots burned theirs up with the possible exception of the Nets.

I feel like I heard that the Thunder may have some if they choose to create it.

[All Net]

He will be gone no matter what

[guy]

So who actually has cap space assuming the system stays the same? Ive heard little about it. I know all the major spots burned theirs up with the possible exception of the Nets.

I feel like I heard that the Thunder may have some if they choose to create it.

Under the current system, I think only the Knicks, Nets, Celtics, and Clippers would have it.

[Rekindled]

So who actually has cap space assuming the system stays the same? Ive heard little about it. I know all the major spots burned theirs up with the possible exception of the Nets.

I feel like I heard that the Thunder may have some if they choose to create it.

the magic will have to trade him before he gets to FA so it doesnt really matter who has the cap, it's who has the best offer and it's a big market

[guy]

Melo dictated his way into NY though because NY would've had the cap space to sign him anyway during FA. Neither the Lakers or Dallas have that. This is not the same situation as Lebron or Melo at all, because none of the rumored preferred destinations of Howard will be able to sign him outright even without a sign-and-trade. And like I said, the new CBA will most likely prohibit sign-and-trades.

I completely forgot about the amnesty clause. If the Lakers got rid of Gasol, and the Mavs got rid of Haywood and don't resign players like Chandler and Butler, then they would be able to make this happen.

[Clippersfan86]

Under the current system, I think only the Knicks, Nets, Celtics, and Clippers would have it.

Clippers won't after resigning DeAndre. We will only have probably 5 mill or less in cap left. In 2012 free agency we only have 25-30 mill committed in cap with DJ re-signed but obviously Dwight is going to be traded, not a free agent. For the Clippers to have ANY shot it would have to be a trade with the Clippers eating up to 5 mill extra cap. If somehow he does make it to free agency we have a great shot in 2012. Not only could we afford to max him but we can re sign Eric Gordon right after and go over the cap.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I think Boston is being overlooked as a possible destination for him. Like I said, under the old CBA, the Lakers would've only been able to get him through a sign-and-trade. With the new CBA, the Carmelo rule will prohibit trading a player before July 1st of the last year of their contract, and sign-and-trades will be prohibited. The only way the Lakers could trade for him is if they do it this season and Howard exercises his player option so he's still under the same contract. But at best, the Magic would get back Gasol + Bynum, but they'd have to include a contract like Arenas, but more then likely they'll be able to amnesty Arenas anyway. So then they'd probably include Hedo. Bynum is injury prone and would only have another year left anyway, and Gasol will be 31. There's a good chance they'd probably think getting those guys and getting rid of Hedo's contract just to be mediocre with no bright future in sight isn't worth the backlash they'd get from fans for helping Howard go to a place he wouldn't have been able to otherwise.

So like I said, the other options are the Knicks, Nets, Celtics, and Clippers. Clippers are historically bad and have horrible ownership so lets scratch that. The Knicks already have 2 huge contracts, and if they sign Howard they're basically just going to be able to put minimum level players around them. Not to mention, he'd get the ball even less and although he'd clearly be the biggest star there, Melo and Amare will take some shine away. With Brooklyn, they could easily become the Clippers of New York, the Nets aren't historically a great franchise, and there's still question marks about the ownership and his direction. In Boston, he'd play with Rondo and Pierce, possibly have Allen and KG for a few more years, and he'd be worshipped and heralded as the second coming of Bill Russell.
I'd love to have Howard here, and Rondo would be great for him offensively. Hope you're right. Some other team might be able to offer him a better supporting cast than the the rebuilding Cs of 2012but maybe we get lucky and Jeff Green takes a quantum leap to make the team more attractive. Unfortunately I can't see KG and Allen having much impact after the upcoming season and Pierce's career has got to start winding down soon at 34.

[The Macho Man]

Welcome to DC Dwight. Wall oopin to ya all day.

[greensborohill]

the magic will have to trade him before he gets to FA so it doesnt really matter who has the cap, it's who has the best offer and it's a big market


If you are the Nets.

Most teams want assurance that they aren't gutting their team for a rental. So depending on the team, there might not be many that will trade w/o D12 extending. So again, if ORL feels the need to trade him, D12 does have some say in where he wants to go, unless a team is willing to gut their team w/o assurances.

[andersond91]

It's as always - all about money (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbWJxZKnI-M)

[pauk]

would be hilarious if he came to Miami.... throw chris bosh and whatever...

then we go like this:

G-chalmers/wade/lebron
G-wade/jj/miller/lebron
F-lebron/jj/miller
F-haslem/anthony
C-dwight/anthony

:applause:

[guy]

Clippers won't after resigning DeAndre. We will only have probably 5 mill or less in cap left. In 2012 free agency we only have 25-30 mill committed in cap with DJ re-signed but obviously Dwight is going to be traded, not a free agent. For the Clippers to have ANY shot it would have to be a trade with the Clippers eating up to 5 mill extra cap. If somehow he does make it to free agency we have a great shot in 2012. Not only could we afford to max him but we can re sign Eric Gordon right after and go over the cap.

Under the current rules, if a team is already under the cap, they can't sign someone else, and then use bird rights to go over the cap. They have $24 million committed for the 2013 season, if they sign Gordon starting at $10 mill and if Jordan is making $5 mill, they'd have $39 mill committed. They should probably be able to squeeze him in.

I highly doubt Dwight will get traded. Like I said, from the Magic's POV, its not necessarily a great idea, and with the new CBA, the Carmelo rule and elimination of sign-and-trades will make it very hard or downright impossible.

[Clippersfan86]

Under the current rules, if a team is already under the cap, they can't sign someone else, and then use bird rights to go over the cap. They have $24 million committed for the 2013 season, if they sign Gordon starting at $10 mill and if Jordan is making $5 mill, they'd have $39 mill committed. They should probably be able to squeeze him in.

I highly doubt Dwight will get traded. Like I said, from the Magic's POV, its not necessarily a great idea, and with the new CBA, the Carmelo rule and elimination of sign-and-trades will make it very hard or downright impossible.

Yea I hope the CBA does make it nearly impossible. To prevent more D-bags from teaming up. I'm all for superteams if they are formed the right way. Demanding trades to a certain team... or planning a big 3 years in advance and having 2 franchise players talk about staying then bailing on a team... is way too much.

[Rowe]

Under the current rules, if a team is already under the cap, they can't sign someone else, and then use bird rights to go over the cap. They have $24 million committed for the 2013 season, if they sign Gordon starting at $10 mill and if Jordan is making $5 mill, they'd have $39 mill committed. They should probably be able to squeeze him in.

I highly doubt Dwight will get traded. Like I said, from the Magic's POV, its not necessarily a great idea, and with the new CBA, the Carmelo rule and elimination of sign-and-trades will make it very hard or downright impossible.

In what world would that be happening?

[guy]

In what world would that be happening?

HUH? If they offer Jordan a contract where he'd be making $5 million in 2013, and then Gordon a contract where he'd be making $10 million? Whats the problem?

[Clippersfan86]

HUH? If they offer Jordan a contract where he'd be making $5 million in 2013, and then Gordon a contract where he'd be making $10 million? Whats the problem?

Eric Gordon is going to get 13-14 mill a year minimum and DJ is going to get at least 7 mill a year. That's probably his problem with it.

[Rowe]

HUH? If they offer Jordan a contract where he'd be making $5 million in 2013, and then Gordon a contract where he'd be making $10 million? Whats the problem?

Where do you get these figures from?

You're completely avoiding the simple fact Jordan is a RFA currently & Gordon would be a RFA in 2012. If there are new restrictions to "lower" salaries, they would be able to make more on the open market due to the same inflation that has caused guys to be overpaid throughout history.

Why would Gordon sign in LA for $10 Million when hypothetically him reaching Free Agency drives his price up? That is to the benefit of other teams with cap space and a "dire" need for a star.

[PowerGlove]

If there's an amnesty clause they can jettison Arenas and sign some help for him
If there is...Joe Johnson is gone and the Hawks can make a play for him too.

[guy]

Where do you get these figures from?

You're completely avoiding the simple fact Jordan is a RFA currently & Gordon would be a RFA in 2012. If there are new restrictions to "lower" salaries, they would be able to make more on the open market due to the same inflation that has caused guys to be overpaid throughout history.

Why would Gordon sign in LA for $10 Million when hypothetically him reaching Free Agency drives his price up? That is to the benefit of other teams with cap space and a "dire" need for a star.

It was more of a rough guess. You and Clipperfan are probably right though that they'd make more.

[guy]

One thing I just thought about. I really hope Howard didn't feel so comfortable being so forward like because he really thinks there won't be a season this year. He's never hinted at it like this.

[Orlando Magic]

If there's an amnesty clause they can jettison Arenas and sign some help for him

I was tempted to totally blast you and insult you and go off on a tirade about how I'm sick and tired of people talking out of their ass with absolutely no clue what they're talking about.

Instead, I'm going to be ever so slightly (read: not much) more mature.

Even if the Magic were able to get Arenas' contract from counting against the cap at all, they'd still be right at the current cap... and that means for damn sure they'd be well, well over any new cap set by the yet to be agreed upon CBA.

Your statement is completely false.

[Miserio]

Rondo is gonna make Dwight the next KAJ

[DirtySanchez]

I see him going to either LA or Chicago. They can give up the most to get him.

[ihatetimthomas]

I see him going to either LA or Chicago. They can give up the most to get him.

Throw OKC in the mix there. They have a valuable asset in Westbrook.

[millwad]

We all knew this though. Even Magic fans all know he's gone. I haven't heard a single Magic fan in denial claiming he's staying for sure etc. It's sad to me that superstars of our generation aren't playing their entire careers with their original team like they did back in the day.

He's had more success than most superstars ever have with his finals trip other deep playoff runs. It's not like the guy is deprived and a consistent first round exit like KG was.


Haha, I think you're gonna be suicidal when Blake finally leaves..

[Clippersfan86]

Haha, I think you're gonna be suicidal when Blake finally leaves..

Why wouldn't I be devastated? Any diehard fan of a team that loses it's star player/franchise player feels that way. If the Clippers are responsible for Blake leaving... I'm done with the team. I've said it before... that if Sterling screws up the core we have... I'm done. If Blake leaves on his own accord the Clippers will keep my loyalty.

[guy]

I see him going to either LA or Chicago. They can give up the most to get him.

It'll be really hard for Chicago to get him. Assuming Rose's new contract starts out at $14 mill/year in 2013, they'd probably have to amnesty Boozer, and trade Korver and Brewer this year for expirings. Like I said, sign-and-trades will probably be eliminated, and even if they weren't, its not like Chicago has much to offer. If they can get rid of Korver and Brewer, I wouldn't mind at all if they amnesty Boozer and make a run at Howard. It would take a lot of bold moves though so I doubt it will happen.

[28renyoy]

I see him going to either LA or Chicago. They can give up the most to get him.

OKC can easily offer the most to get him

Westbrook
Ibaka or Harden
Perkins
Collison

[ihatetimthomas]

OKC can easily offer the most to get him

Westbrook
Ibaka or Harden
Perkins
Collison

Westbrook hold more value, but for some reason, I'd prefer to move him over Harden. I really like Harden's game. I think it compliments Durant better as well. I think he has huge potential and he can do it on both ends of the floor. With Westbrook out of the mix, it gives him a chance to shine. He reminds me of Manu in terms of versatile ability.

A package of Westbrook, Perk and Ibaka is about as good as its gonna get for Dwight.

[28renyoy]

Westbrook hold more value, but for some reason, I'd prefer to move him over Harden. I really like Harden's game. I think it compliments Durant better as well. I think he has huge potential and he can do it on both ends of the floor. With Westbrook out of the mix, it gives him a chance to shine. He reminds me of Manu in terms of versatile ability.

A package of Westbrook, Perk and Ibaka is about as good as its gonna get for Dwight.

I prefer Harden as well. His ceiling might not be as high as Westbrooks, but if he's the primary ball handler he will average 20/5/5 on elite efficiency(which is basically Manu 2.0).

I would love to see a front court of
Durant
Ibaka
Howard

just because it would basically be 3 7~ footers and the blocked shots would be ridiculous, but

Maynor
Harden
Durant
Collison
Howard

would be the favorite to win the west for a decade

[jlip]

I prefer Harden as well. His ceiling might not be as high as Westbrooks, but if he's the primary ball handler he will average 20/5/5 on elite efficiency(which is basically Manu 2.0).

I would love to see a front court of
Durant
Ibaka
Howard

just because it would basically be 3 7~ footers and the blocked shots would be ridiculous, but

Maynor
Harden
Durant
Collison
Howard

would be the favorite to win the west for a decade

That team would be extremely scary for the rest of the league.

[Clippersfan86]

I prefer Harden as well. His ceiling might not be as high as Westbrooks, but if he's the primary ball handler he will average 20/5/5 on elite efficiency(which is basically Manu 2.0).

I would love to see a front court of
Durant
Ibaka
Howard

just because it would basically be 3 7~ footers and the blocked shots would be ridiculous, but

Maynor
Harden
Durant
Collison
Howard

would be the favorite to win the west for a decade

So a few big games in a 6th man role was enough to convince you that Harden would put up 20/5/5 on elite efficiency as a starter in the near future? You're more naive than I thought. Also disagree with your trade idea. The current Thunder lineup will be better than Dwight lineup within 2 seasons. Ibaka is going to have a dominant defensive impact and has a chance to be a DPOY winner just like Dwight. Offensively Westbrook is better than Dwight already. So basically you'd be giving up way too much. Collison and Maynor wouldn't start on 85 percent of NBA teams. So you're going for the Miami "Big 3" hype instead of going for the more well rounded, balanced, deeper team.

Dallas beating Miami proved a "Big 3" doesn't guarantee anything. If I'm OKC I'm not trading Westbrook+Perkins+Ibaka+ other things for Dwight. It's just way too much.

[28renyoy]

So a few big games in a 6th man role was enough to convince you that Harden would put up 20/5/5 on elite efficiency as a starter in the near future? You're more naive than I thought. Also disagree with your trade idea. The current Thunder lineup will be better than Dwight lineup within 2 seasons. Ibaka is going to have a dominant defensive impact and has a chance to be a DPOY winner just like Dwight. Offensively Westbrook is better than Dwight already. So basically you'd be giving up way too much. Collison and Maynor wouldn't start on 85 percent of NBA teams. So you're going for the Miami "Big 3" hype instead of going for the more well rounded, balanced, deeper team.

Dallas beating Miami proved a "Big 3" doesn't guarantee anything. If I'm OKC I'm not trading Westbrook+Perkins+Ibaka+ other things for Dwight. It's just way too much.

Ya I'm sure he peaked at 12/3/2 on 60 TS% while only playing 27 mpg at age 21. He averaged 13/5/4 on 64 TS% in the playoffs as well, gee Harden's potential is obviously limited.

After the Jeff Green trade he averaged 16/4/4 on elite percentages

[rodman91]

quitter.

[PowerGlove]

let me re-read dwights quote because I thought he was talking about moving on to a team in a bigger market.....and okc isnt bigger than orlando.

[28renyoy]

let me re-read dwights quote because I thought he was talking about moving on to a team in a bigger market.....and okc isnt bigger than orlando.

I'm not arguing for OKC to acquire Dwight Howard, I just said that OKC could offer by far the best package. We're going to better off trading Westbrook for CP3

CP3
Harden
Durant
Ibaka
Perkins

[LA_Showtime]

Dwight: "I just want to win." Takes care of everything.

[Clippersfan86]

Ya I'm sure he peaked at 12/3/2 on 60 TS% while only playing 27 mpg at age 21. He averaged 13/5/4 on 64 TS% in the playoffs as well, gee Harden's potential is obviously limited.

After the Jeff Green trade he averaged 16/4/4 on elite percentages

Harden has excellent potential. I'm not saying he doesn't. Just trying to get you to be more realistic. He's a good all around player but to be Manu 2.0 isn't exactly easy. Some players are elite 6th men but when they start their production doesn't go up much (Bobby Jackson, Manu, Jamal Crawford, Jason Terry). I think 15, 4 and 5 are far more realistic for him in a starting role next to elite scorers like Durant and Westbrook.

He's going to be a 3rd option realistically over the next decade at least. How many 3rd options do you know of that put up 20/5/5? Manu is a VERY unique and rare exception, not the norm. I personally do not see him reaching peak Manu level like you're suggesting.

If he's the starter this season let's see what he can do over a full season.

[28renyoy]

Harden has excellent potential. I'm not saying he doesn't. Just trying to get you to be more realistic. He's a good all around player but to be Manu 2.0 isn't exactly easy. Some players are elite 6th men but when they start their production doesn't go up much (Bobby Jackson, Manu, Jamal Crawford, Jason Terry). I think 15, 4 and 5 are far more realistic for him in a starting role next to elite scorers like Durant and Westbrook.

He's going to be a 3rd option realistically over the next decade at least. How many 3rd options do you know of that put up 20/5/5? Manu is a VERY unique and rare exception, not the norm. I personally do not see him reaching peak Manu level like you're suggesting.

If he's the starter this season let's see what he can do over a full season.

If he played starters minutes last year he would have averaged 15/4/4 in his 2nd season as a 3rd option.

[outbreak]

Really wish he would stay. If he is leaving though OKC do have some of the best packages to offer, doubtful if they'd go through with the trade though as if Howard wants a bigger market he'll just leave OKC too when his contracts up.

[Clippersfan86]

If he played starters minutes last year he would have averaged 15/4/4 in his 2nd season as a 3rd option.

You're going off projections. Which doesn't factor in fatigue, experience etc. Just because his PER 36 or limited showings may be great doesn't mean he can be an elite player like that in heavy minutes. He can't get much better than 15/4/4 anyways even as a starter dude. There simply isn't enough shots to go around on that team for him to AVERAGE 20 ppg.

[cuad]

They never should have traded Courtney Lee.

[28renyoy]

You're going off projections. Which doesn't factor in fatigue, experience etc. Just because his PER 36 or limited showings may be great doesn't mean he can be an elite player like that in heavy minutes. He can't get much better than 15/4/4 anyways even as a starter dude. There simply isn't enough shots to go around on that team for him to AVERAGE 20 ppg.

and how exactly are you projecting Blake Griffin to average 30/14/5 during his prime?

[Clippersfan86]

and how exactly are you projecting Blake Griffin to average 30/14/5 during his prime?

Because I saw him put up 26.5 ppg, 14 rpg and 5.5 apg for nearly two months when we had a fully healthy squad. Not to mention he's a first option, franchise player who only got 16 shots a game compared to let's say Durant who got 20 as well as Rose.

Combine that with the fact that he's improved his free throw shooting tremendously and is working on his range it's safe to assume he can at LEAST hit the 27 ppg mark when he put up 22.5 ppg as a rookie. Not to mention I didn't say he will be a 30 ppg scorer perennially. I think in his absolute best seasons he can be at that 27-30 ppg mark like Barkley/Malone were. This is assuming he keeps improving his shot and working on free throws.

Just by adding 2 extra made free throws a game and getting a decently reliable midrange jumper.. you're looking at a minimum increase of 4 ppg probably and it becomes clear it's not unrealistic. As for the rebounding and assists all he would need to do is get 2 more rpg, 1 more apg and this is at his ABSOLUTE peak. I wasn't implying he's going to do this now or continuously. I think he can be a perennial 25-26 ppg, 13 rpg, 4-5 apg guy with better defense and efficiency.

Not to mention you're comparing a player many agree will likely be an MVP candidate for a long time in the future... to a high potential, not franchise player potential player. Sure Harden has upside but do I have to explain to you why he won't be the caliber of player Blake is? You comparing a 6th man becoming a full time starter to a franchise player/superstar who's obviously going to improve is a bit different. We've already seen Blake put up triple doubles and many near triple doubles. We've seen him drop 40+ twice, becoming the first rookie since Iverson to do so.

Do you know his 47 and 14 game vs Indiana on that elite efficiency was only done by two other rookies under 21 years old? Guess who they are? Michael Jordan and Rick Barry. I'm telling you this because you like to put Durant up against players as fastest 10,000 point scorer ever etc. This is a pretty big deal for a bigman to be in this company.

[28renyoy]

So Harden putting up 16/4/4 the last 2 1/2 months of the season post Green trade isn't evidence of his potential, yet you make extrapolations based on made up stats to project Griffin's future :lol

Griffin's 10-11 splits the last 4 months

26/13/4 51 FG%

23/12/4 48 FG%

21/10/4 48 FG%

23/12/5 52 FG%

ya i see 27/14/6 in there :facepalm

Griffin was MUCH worse post all star last year, obviously showing "tremendous" improvement.

Go to realgm and you will find out what Harden projects to be.


NOONE aside from extreme Clipper homers, such as yourself, believe Griffin will approach 30/15/5.

[knicksman]

Why wouldn't I be devastated? Any diehard fan of a team that loses it's star player/franchise player feels that way. If the Clippers are responsible for Blake leaving... I'm done with the team. I've said it before... that if Sterling screws up the core we have... I'm done. If Blake leaves on his own accord the Clippers will keep my loyalty.

join date: jan 2011. yeah i know youre loyal with clips. I mean blake

[Clippersfan86]

So Harden putting up 16/4/4 the last 2 1/2 months of the season post Green trade isn't evidence of his potential, yet you make extrapolations based on made up stats to project Griffin's future :lol

Griffin's 10-11 splits the last 4 months

26/13/4 51 FG%

23/12/4 48 FG%

21/10/4 48 FG%

23/12/5 52 FG%

ya i see 27/14/6 in there :facepalm

Give me a link. He averaged 5 apg second half of the season when I pulled it up. Not to mention he actually only averaged 18 or 19 ppg in February so I'm not sure what you're looking at. I saw 26 ppg, 14 rpg, 5.5 for a nearly 2 month stretch. I didn't say it was a complete month. It may have been let's say Dec 20th-Feb 20th etc. All I know is it was on a Fox Sports broadcast and I remember it.

BTW even if the numbers you posted are accurate look at January. 26, 13 and 4. Not far from my prime projections right? Much different than you turning a 12, 3 and 2 player into a 20/5/5 player :rolleyes: .

Not to mention we're comparing a franchise player to a guy who will be lucky if he ever makes an all star team... It's much more logical for me to extrapolate my stats for Griffin than yours of Harden. Not only are you expecting a way bigger increase in production than me.. but you're doing it with a much lower upside player.

You won't see me doing that for a 3rd option or 6th man on my team. I'm not going to tell you DJ is going to be a 12 ppg, 13 rpg, 5 bpg just because he had a few really dominant games and has a very solid PER 36. I mean DeAndre had a game of 14 points, 20 rebounds and 6 or 7 blocks this year vs the Nuggets on elite efficiency (all he does is dunk).

[Clippersfan86]

join date: jan 2011. yeah i know youre loyal with clips. I mean blake

Go to a forum called Clippers Topbuzz. Look me up. I've had my email for 8+ years now.

[Clippersfan86]

So Harden putting up 16/4/4 the last 2 1/2 months of the season post Green trade isn't evidence of his potential, yet you make extrapolations based on made up stats to project Griffin's future :lol

Griffin's 10-11 splits the last 4 months

26/13/4 51 FG%

23/12/4 48 FG%

21/10/4 48 FG%

23/12/5 52 FG%

ya i see 27/14/6 in there :facepalm

Griffin was MUCH worse post all star last year, obviously showing "tremendous" improvement.

Go to realgm and you will find out what Harden projects to be.


NOONE aside from extreme Clipper homers, such as yourself, believe Griffin will approach 30/15/5.

Don't exaggerate my numbers. I never said 15 rebounds. I said 13-14 at his absolute peak to go with 28-30 ppg and 4-5 apg. I always give ranges because nobody knows for sure.

So let's say 29/13/5 in his absolute prime as a set number. On improved efficiency and with better defense. Make a thread on RealGM about those stat projections as well as here and let's see if people think those numbers are possible.

[Rowe]

Don't exaggerate my numbers. I never said 15 rebounds. I said 13-14 at his absolute peak to go with 28-30 ppg and 4-5 apg. I always give ranges because nobody knows for sure.


So let's say 29/13/5 in his absolute prime as a set number. On improved efficiency and with better defense. Make a thread on RealGM about those stat projections as well as here and let's see if people think those numbers are possible.

Far too unrealistic expectations being put on him.

Wacky numbers.

You should hope his peak is 25 PPG & 12 RPG. To say that you expect his peak to be 30/14/5 is beyond ridiculous. Not even going to look through the history books, but I dont think any PF has ever averaged those numbers even in the 60's. Far too much production around the table for 1 player to have to provide consistently enough to make that his average for a whole season. That means his "bad" games would essentially be 20/12/3 to balance that number while he'd routinely be going for around 36/18/7.

You see how ridiculous it is now? Its easy to just throw out crazy numbers like 30/14/5 but you should actually think & evaluate how he'd be putting up those numbers for that average.

That is KG-esque.

But the touches required for KG to even go for 24/13/5 was beyond any reasonable expectation for a Power Forward. The touches he needed to even put together that season would've made you believe Flip Saunders was coaching the Philadelphia Warriors & KG was Wilt Chamberlain. Yet, Blake Griffin is going to shatter that effort?

Come on man.

[NuggetsFan]

I'd say Denver should try to throw there name in there ring but it's not much different than what the Magic can do. Can offer a young piece or two. Have the cap space. Doubt Howard would want to come and a few other teams could offer a better package. OKC should try to get in there with Westbrook.

Magic have a card to play tho. Howard is arguably the most valuable player in the league because of his position. Can transform your defense. Doubt many teams would wait it out for FA. If Melo can force NY to give up pieces, Magic could probably force a team to give up a budding young star. Nets could probably offer Lopez and a 1st.

What teams can actually outright sign him next year in FA? Hopefully the Magic don't cave and just send him to a team like L.A because that's where he wants to go.

[Clippersfan86]

Far too unrealistic expectations being put on him.

Wacky numbers.

You should hope his peak is 25 PPG & 12 RPG. To say that you expect his peak to be 30/14/5 is beyond ridiculous. Not even going to look through the history books, but I dont think any PF has ever averaged those numbers even in the 60's. Far too much production around the table for 1 player to have to provide consistently enough to make that his average for a whole season. That means his "bad" games would essentially be 20/12/3 to balance that number while he'd routinely be going for around 36/18/8.

You see how ridiculous it is now? Its easy to just throw out crazy numbers like 30/14/5 but you should actually think & evaluate how he'd be putting up those numbers for that average.

No player has ever put up those type of numbers in a game except a career game for KG, let alone for it to be a common sight.

Not true. KG, Barkley, Kareem and a few other great passing bigs have been around or above those numbers. Even Malone was in that area. Just because Griffin has an extremely unique skillset that gives him unique numbers doesn't mean he's the GOAT. He's very much behind a lot of the elite bigs defensively and that's a HUGE flaw in his overall game at this point.

As for your example of having bad games of 20/12 and 3... it's really not that far off. Griffin was the epitome of consistency this season. He broke the modern era rookie double double record and also came close to breaking Shaq's 20 and 10 record streak. The only reason his 27 game streak ended was coach pulled him out for the 4th quarter in a blowout against the Wolves, leaving him with a monstrous 29, 8 and 6 still. I mean if you really watched Griffin last year you'd see starting in mid December a bad game for Griffin was indeed 20 and 10.

Check this out. From December 12th through the end of the season Blake Griffin had only 13 games with less than 20 points. That's out of an incredible 58 games. Now about 5 of those are at 19 points and almost all of the sub 15 point games coincide with when Eric Gordon went down with injury.

Out of those same 58 games only 12 times did he fail to grab 10+ rebounds again if you look at the game logs you'll see his worst stretch by far was immediately following Eric Gordon's injury when teams started triple teaming him and throwing entire defenses at him.

Griffin also had 22 games in that stretch of at least 25 points and ten 30 point games. Which is AMAZING for a rookie big, let alone any big. He became the first rookie since 96 Iverson to put up multiple 40 point games.

If Eric Gordon doesn't go down with injury and Griffin maintains his January stats of 26, 13.5 rpg and 4.5 apg with 70 percent shooting from the stripe... in February and some of March when Eric Gordon is down... we would of seen him finish the season around 24+ ppg, 13 rpg and 4+ apg.

I'm giving you some cold hard numbers here to explain why my numbers for an absolute prime Griffin aren't unrealistic.

[Nick Young]

he should come to laketown to back up Bynum and get Mamba more rings

[Quata]

Ideal situation for the nets:
Sign David west plus a elite defender at sf
Resign humphries
Trade Lopez, farmar and some draft picks for Dwight.
DWill
Morrow/marshon Brooks
Defensive sf/outlaw
West/humphries
Dwight/petro

That's one ballin as team

[HylianNightmare]

They never should have traded Courtney Lee.
agreed

[RRR3]

he should come to laketown to back up Bynum and get Mamba more rings
Why would he back up a player (Bynum) he's at least twice as good as? :confusedshrug:

[Rowe]

Not true. KG, Barkley, Kareem and a few other great passing bigs have been around or above those numbers. Even Malone was in that area. Just because Griffin has an extremely unique skillset that gives him unique numbers doesn't mean he's the GOAT. He's very much behind a lot of the elite bigs defensively and that's a HUGE flaw in his overall game at this point.

As for your example of having bad games of 20/12 and 3... it's really not that far off. Griffin was the epitome of consistency this season. He broke the modern era rookie double double record and also came close to breaking Shaq's 20 and 10 record streak. The only reason his 27 game streak ended was coach pulled him out for the 4th quarter in a blowout against the Wolves, leaving him with a monstrous 29, 8 and 6 still. I mean if you really watched Griffin last year you'd see starting in mid December a bad game for Griffin was indeed 20 and 10.

Check this out. From December 12th through the end of the season Blake Griffin had only 13 games with less than 20 points. That's out of an incredible 58 games. Now about 5 of those are at 19 points and almost all of the sub 15 point games coincide with when Eric Gordon went down with injury.

Out of those same 58 games only 12 times did he fail to grab 10+ rebounds again if you look at the game logs you'll see his worst stretch by far was immediately following Eric Gordon's injury when teams started triple teaming him and throwing entire defenses at him.

Griffin also had 22 games in that stretch of at least 25 points and ten 30 point games. Which is AMAZING for a rookie big, let alone any big. He became the first rookie since 96 Iverson to put up multiple 40 point games.

If Eric Gordon doesn't go down with injury and Griffin maintains his January stats of 26, 13.5 rpg and 4.5 apg with 70 percent shooting from the stripe... in February and some of March when Eric Gordon is down... we would of seen him finish the season around 24+ ppg, 13 rpg and 4+ apg.

I'm giving you some cold hard numbers here to explain why my numbers for an absolute prime Griffin aren't unrealistic.

Points well taken.

Lets just see how he performs this upcoming season.

I find 25/12/3 to be a reachable goal for him in Year 3. However, I dont believe such inflated all around stats are realistic for a PF on what we assume to be a winning team.

Secondly, neither Barkley, Malone, or KG ever averaged 30/14/5. They each were unique players in their own right however it took specific situations for them in which they peaked in terms of their PPG, RPG, & APG.

I would think your numbers would be possible if he had no help around him while playing at a pace above 97. Far more shot opportunities, rebound opportunities, etc. I'd expect his efficiency would be less due to facing more double teams, but those Per Game numbers would still be withstanding.

However, with an improving team. A legit 2nd option scorer who averages 20+ PPG in Eric Gordon. An eventual 3rd option they'll acquire down the line at SF or as a 6th Man that makes them a Playoff contender. Coupled along with assumed improvement from DeAndre Jordan at C and I just dont see it happening. He'll be expected to do more when necessary in the 4th quarter, but like with most superstars on winning teams I dont think he'll be forced to be playing a role in which he is being forced to tally up so many touches for him to go for 30 PPG. Like I said before remember we're mentioning a PF. A developed mid range game will take him out of the post, lower his efficiency, but it will make him a better player than he is now. If hes being given so many shot opportunities on a winning team it will make him appear inefficient as a scorer much like Webber in 01.

I've always seen him as being a 25/12/3 player. I could realistically see him averaging 5 APG at his peak, but I dont think his PPG or RPG numbers are going to increase with it. That would require far too much work on both ends of the court to be possible, and that work wouldnt be necessary assuming he has talent around him. He doesnt have to be LeBron in Cleveland, and he isnt LeBron as a player. He's a Power Forward who has above average passing skills, but he isnt a player who you're expecting him to create for others consistently each time down the court.

[AMISTILLILL]

Orlando is going to throw everything and the kitchen sink at this guy to keep him, without a doubt. Whether that's offering him an obscene contract, the likes of which the NBA has never seen before, and/or doing everything they can to lure attractive complimentary pieces in an effort to show they're motivated to do anything Dwight needs, rest assured this isn't going to be as simple as a trade. If a season happens, you're going to see the Magic front office doing everything in their power before the trade deadline to avoid a fate similar to the Cavaliers.

People seem quick to use this amnesty clause as a legitimate way of sidestepping potential restrictions with the new CBA... despite the fact that there is little evidence to prove an amnesty clause is a realistic possibility. It's heresy at this point. Posters using the amnesty clause to give legs to their potential Dwight trade scenarios should quit it.

Los Angeles seems like to be the consensus landing spot for Dwight among casual fans and the uninitiated, but I still doubt he's interested in following Shaq's legacy. Do you realize how much the Shaq comparisons will follow him around? Hell, he already gets compared to Shaq... imagine how much fuel gets added to the fire if he relocates to LA. Any shortcomings and failures will happen under a microscope and come with questions about how Shaq might have done it differently. It's comparable to some reservations LeBron possibly had about going to Chicago, constantly living in the shadow of Jordan.

In my opinion, the only realistic landing spots are New Jersey and Boston. New Jersey is going to be a powerhouse soon and the Brooklyn relocation will usher in the change that brings the Nets back to respectability. Big market, "new" team, new location... it's a blank canvas just waiting for someone like Dwight to make his mark and create a proud tradition. Boston... they've got Allen/KG coming off the books next summer, young guys like Rondo and probably Green locked up long term and a front office motivated to keep the team from sliding into another cold period. Rondo made the Big 3 look like a well oiled machine in their twilight... imagine what he can do for a guy like Dwight in his prime.

[Rowe]

Los Angeles seems like to be the consensus landing spot for Dwight among casual fans and the uninitiated, but I still doubt he's interested in following Shaq's legacy. Do you realize how much the Shaq comparisons will follow him around? Hell, he already gets compared to Shaq... imagine how much fuel gets added to the fire if he relocates to LA. Any shortcomings and failures will happen under a microscope and come with questions about how Shaq might have done it differently. It's comparable to some reservations LeBron possibly had about going to Chicago, constantly living in the shadow of Jordan.

You're forgetting hes faced those questions already in Orlando as it relates to Shaq. Small market with minimal history which means a more focused & refined microscope on his actions. Hes been there for 7 seasons. Is he living in Shaq's shadow in Orlando? People have been able to seperate the 2 and their respective careers. I guess thats because Dwight isnt anywhere near as good as Shaq, but hes a great Center for this generation.

Any shortcomings or failures on his part do not relate at all to Shaq.

That hasnt been the case in Orlando, so I dont see why it would be the same in LA. Espescially considering Shaq himself followed in a tradition of great C's going back from Mikan to Wilt to Kareem. Shaq's shadow in LA doesn't loom large over the Franchise, there are a collection of shadows showcasing their championship rings.

When Dwight arrives, it'll be the Dwight Howard Era in LA. Thats how the Lakers Franchise works, you're establishing your own Era and then its put up in comparison with past Dynastys.

In LeBron's case, he didnt want to follow in Jordan's foosteps in Chicago because Nike & the NBA have crafted his career before he came into the NBA as being like Michael Jordan. They crowned him King when he was 18. The [self proclaimed] Chosen 1 cant live in the shadow of The GOAT. Therefore he had to forge his own path doing something Jordan would never do.

[Clippersfan86]

Points well taken.

Lets just see how he performs this upcoming season.

I find 25/12/3 to be a reachable goal for him in Year 3. However, I dont believe such inflated all around stats are realistic for a PF on what we assume to be a winning team.

Secondly, neither Barkley, Malone, or KG ever averaged 30/14/5. They each were unique players in their own right however it took specific situations for them in which they peaked in terms of their PPG, RPG, & APG.

I would think your numbers would be possible if he had no help around him while playing at a pace above 97. Far more shot opportunities, rebound opportunities, etc. I'd expect his efficiency would be less due to facing more double teams, but those Per Game numbers would still be withstanding.

However, with an improving team. A legit 2nd option scorer who averages 20+ PPG in Eric Gordon. An eventual 3rd option they'll acquire down the line at SF or as a 6th Man that makes them a Playoff contender. Coupled along with assumed improvement from DeAndre Jordan at C and I just dont see it happening. He'll be expected to do more when necessary in the 4th quarter, but like with most superstars on winning teams I dont think he'll be forced to be playing a role in which he is being forced to tally up so many touches for him to go for 30 PPG. Like I said before remember we're mentioning a PF. A developed mid range game will take him out of the post, lower his efficiency, but it will make him a better player than he is now. If hes being given so many shot opportunities on a winning team it will make him appear inefficient as a scorer much like Webber in 01.

I've always seen him as being a 25/12/3 player. I could realistically see him averaging 5 APG at his peak, but I dont think his PPG or RPG numbers are going to increase with it. That would require far too much work on both ends of the court to be possible, and that work wouldnt be necessary assuming he has talent around him. He doesnt have to be LeBron in Cleveland, and he isnt LeBron as a player. He's a Power Forward who has above average passing skills, but he isnt a player who you're expecting him to create for others consistently each time down the court.

Fair enough. I'm all down for wait and see approach but don't expect my excitement to drop before then :D . One question though and I'm not being sarcastic. You expect his assists to drop from 4 or 3? Or was that a typo?

[Nets fan 93]

Ideal situation for the nets:
Sign David west plus a elite defender at sf
Resign humphries
Trade Lopez, farmar and some draft picks for Dwight.
DWill
Morrow/marshon Brooks
Defensive sf/outlaw
West/humphries
Dwight/petro

That's one ballin as team
The wings would hopefully be upgraded but yeah... Really hoping for this. I am not prepared to get let down like in 2010 though. So i am not really banking on this though.

[AMISTILLILL]

You're forgetting hes faced those questions already in Orlando as it relates to Shaq. Small market with minimal history which means a more focused & refined microscope on his actions. Hes been there for 7 seasons. Is he living in Shaq's shadow in Orlando? People have been able to seperate the 2 and their respective careers. I guess thats because Dwight isnt anywhere near as good as Shaq, but hes a great Center for this generation.

Any shortcomings or failures on his part do not relate at all to Shaq.

That hasnt been the case in Orlando, so I dont see why it would be the same in LA. Espescially considering Shaq himself followed in a tradition of great C's going back from Mikan to Wilt to Kareem. Shaq's shadow in LA doesn't loom large over the Franchise, there are a collection of shadows showcasing their championship rings.

When Dwight arrives, it'll be the Dwight Howard Era in LA. Thats how the Lakers Franchise works, you're establishing your own Era and then its put up in comparison with past Dynastys.

In LeBron's case, he didnt want to follow in Jordan's foosteps in Chicago because Nike & the NBA have crafted his career before he came into the NBA as being like Michael Jordan. They crowned him King when he was 18. The [self proclaimed] Chosen 1 cant live in the shadow of The GOAT. Therefore he had to forge his own path doing something Jordan would never do.

You honestly can't see how a) being drafted by the same team as Shaq and then b) leaving for the same team Shaq left for could bring about more direct comparisons than the "Dwight got drafted to Orlando like Shaq" thing ever did? The Orlando comparison is one thing that could get chalked up to coincidence or random circumstance... but then bailing for the same exact team afterwards is something completely different. If he fails to satiate the fairweather fanbase in LA's need for gratification, rings and deep playoff runs, sports media and everyone else will be throwing Shaq comparisons around left and right, picking the guy apart for his shortcomings.

Hell, Kobe has been hounded by Jordan comparisons his entire career by the same sports media and they've never even played for the same team. It's human nature to compare (Christ, look at the bulk of the topics on this board if you need convincing).

Why bother with the potential for that sort of thing happening? Why not go somewhere where the only comparisons to be made will be the kind involving future players being held to the standards you yourself have set?

[Rowe]

Fair enough. I'm all down for wait and see approach but don't expect my excitement to drop before then :D . One question though and I'm not being sarcastic. You expect his assists to drop from 4 or 3? Or was that a typo?

Yeah I expect his Assists to be between 3-3.5 this season.

His assists got inflated due to Gordon's injury & Mo Williams trying to get acclimated to their offense.

Mo was putting up 8.9 APG in Cleveland, then it dropped to 5 in LA. It should be higher next season, assuming they dont acquire a SF who also is a capable passer like Iggy or Prince.

[Clippersfan86]

Yeah I expect his Assists to be between 3-3.5 this season.

His assists got inflated due to Gordon's injury & Mo Williams trying to get acclimated to their offense.

Mo was putting up 8.9 APG in Cleveland, then it dropped to 6 in LA. It should be higher next season, assuming they dont acquire a SF who is a capable passer like Iggy or Prince.

That's definitely something to wait and see on. I'm anxious to find out myself.

[with malice]

Los Angeles seems like to be the consensus landing spot for Dwight among casual fans and the uninitiated, but I still doubt he's interested in following Shaq's legacy. Do you realize how much the Shaq comparisons will follow him around? Hell, he already gets compared to Shaq... imagine how much fuel gets added to the fire if he relocates to LA. Any shortcomings and failures will happen under a microscope and come with questions about how Shaq might have done it differently.
I doubt he'd care if it meant winning rings.

Look, Dwight talked about going somewhere "big". He's not talking about anywhere else other than NYC, LA and possibly Boston/Chicago. I very much doubt he goes anywhere that means he's in a similar situation to where he is in Orlando.

[AMISTILLILL]

I doubt he'd care if it meant winning rings.

Look, Dwight talked about going somewhere "big". He's not talking about anywhere else other than NYC, LA and possibly Boston/Chicago. I very much doubt he goes anywhere that means he's in a similar situation to where he is in Orlando.

Who said he'd have to go somewhere with a similar situation like Orlando?

[Jameerthefear]

amare for dwight, then sign cp3.


What :lol
Dwight is a top 3 player in the NBA :facepalm
On another note thanks for ruining the team, Otis Smith

[dbugz]

Dwight is going to Boston!

After KG's contract expire, there's no reason why Ainge will not go after him at all cost!

Cs free throws will surely suck though with Rajon and Dwight on the same team :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm