Top 10 Athletes in NBA History?

[RRR3]

Obviously, guys like Vince Carter, MJ, and LBJ will be mentioned. But who else deserves a nod, in your opinion?

[guy]

Not sure how we define "athlete" but in no order I'd say:

Jordan
Wilt
Shaq
Lebron
T-Mac
Vince
AI
Rose
Kemp
Nique

Good chance I'm forgetting some. The bottom 4 are debatable especially with players like Kobe, Wade, etc, but the top 6 are locks.

And yes, I said Rose. He's as fast as hell, can jump with the best of them, and he's had the most ridiculous body control I've seen since Jordan.

[Dragonyeuw]

Not sure how we define "athlete" but in no order I'd say:

Jordan
Wilt
Shaq
Lebron
T-Mac
Vince
AI
Rose
Kemp
Nique

Good chance I'm forgetting some.

Dr. J, Clyde Drexler, David Thompson

[FatComputerNerd]

A young Charles Barkley belongs on this list, or at least deserves an honorable mention.

So does Steve Nash. He has great body control and quickness, even at his age.

Pippen should also get mention. He too had great body control, and was very good at finishing at the rim after changing direction, shifting ball to other hand, etc...much like Jordan.

[abuC]

David Robinson and Hakeem.


How many centers are as fast as the Admiral was, and how many centers are as agile as Hakeem.

[LBJ 23]

So does Steve Nash. He has great body control and quickness, even at his age.





:wtf:

[pauk]

here is my list:


1. Wilt Chamberlain (dude had a 50" inch vert if he didnt lie and he was competing very efficiently in Track n Field!!)

1. Lebron James (probably the best combination of size, speed, quickness, agility, power, vertical, endurance, cardio and so on.. at 6'9"-260 he does what no man should ever be able to... maybe he should be #1?)

3. Michael Jordan (same as the above imo, probably just a millimeter less impressive combination)

4. Julius Erving (athletic freak, similar combination and everything to Jordan, but probably just a tad bit less impressive overall)

5. Vince Carter (athletic freak, could have been higher up, but the longevity was not so impressive.. still THAT good enough to earn this spot)

6. Dominique Wilkins (just like vince carter or lebron or jordan, not as impressive athletic combination, but still)

7. Shaquille Oneal (athletic freak, amazing leaper, probably the quickest & most powerful 7 footer ever, with amazing longevity)

8. Allen Iverson / Derrick Rose (the most overall athletic small men ever)

9. Kobe Bryant (many people seem to forget how athletic this dude was, nice combination of size, speed, quickness, power, leaping and most importantly longevity!)

10. Charles Barkley / Magic Johnson (Barkley at 6'5" played like a 7+ footer.... Magic at 6'9" played like a 6'0" footer)





honorable mention:

Shawn Kemp
Dwight Howard
Blake Griffin
Clyde Drexler
Scottie Pippen
Dwyane Wade
Tracy McGrady
Ralph Sampson
Nate Robinson
Amare Stoudemire
Hakeem Olajuwon
David Robinson
Spud Webb
David Thompson
Connie Hawkins
Reggie Miller, Ray Allen & Steve Nash (longevity, cardio, endurance!! and Ray was even in the dunk contest)

[FatComputerNerd]

:wtf:

There is no disputing this, really.

Watch some footage of him where he time after time drives to the lane, gets airborne, spins around and does some sort of crazy behind the pack pass, after switching hands, to the open man.

It requires great body control, and overall athleticism to be able to do this.

[abuC]

here is my list:


1. Wilt Chamberlain (dude had a 50" inch vert if he didnt lie and he was competing very efficiently in Track n Field!!)



He was 7"1 without shoes, if he had a 50" vertical the top of his head would be 15 inches above the rim. Basically he would have been CHEST LEVEL with the rim and his head would have been at the top of the square. Impossible to say the least.

[DuMa]

no order for me...
from what i've seen extensively and not from just a few youtube videos.

erving
thompson
jordan
dominique
kemp
hakeem
admiral
vince
shaq
lebron

Dr J had incredible longevity as an athlete. it seemed like he was still dunking on ppl in his late 30s

iverson/rose/westbrook category. i mean theyre very athletic but at their size, their athleticism is quite common. guys like spud webb, steve francis, guys under 6'4" were always were always in the NBA for their athleticism and for their skills as well. so they dont really belong on my list. they dont really stand out. those guys with the size, and the outworldly athleticism are the ones that really stand out.

[RRR3]

I don't have a definite list but some guys I have seen display great athleticism (whether from watching old footage or watching current games):

This is not in order

LeBron James
Michael Jordan
Tracy McGrady
Kobe Bryant
Dwyane Wade
Derrick Rose
Blake Griffin
Vince Carter
Amar'e Stoudemire
Nate Robinson
Dwight Howard
Desmond Mason?
Jason Richardson
Gerald Wallace
Shaquille O'Neal
Dominique Wilkins
Dr. J
Scottie Pippen?

[pauk]

He was 7"1 without shoes, if he had a 50" vertical the top of his head would be 15 inches above the rim. Basically he would have been CHEST LEVEL with the rim and his head would have been at the top of the square. Impossible to say the least.

well... Wilt said numerous times he had a 50 inch vert and he used have his head over the rim....

and you know what.... its not so hard to NOT believe..... even if he didnt had that vert exactly... it might have been in the 40s somewhere...... he still was probably the most athletic player ever.. at least amongst the 7 footers... he was a LONG-JUMP, HIGH-JUMP, TRACK N FIELD CHAMPION for gods sake....

check this out:

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/U1130006.jpg
http://www.answersfrommen.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/wilt-1.jpg
http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/imagesCA2UPZLZ.jpg
http://i30.tinypic.com/18g7f5.jpg



AND YOU KNOW HOW FAST HE WAS??? PROBABLY THE FASTEST 7 FOOTER EVER.... LET ME JUST TELL YOU THAT...

WILT WAS A 7 FOOT GAZELLE


take a look at this picture from THE END OF HIS CAREER:

http://www.eba-stats.com/images/legends/chamberlain_jabbar.JPG

[knickswin]

pre-injury Amar'e was serious business. He was as quick as any big man who's ever played the game and extremely powerful.

[abuC]

well... Wilt said numerous times he had a 50 inch vert and he used have his head over the rim....

and you know what.... its not so hard to NOT believe..... even if he didnt had that vert exactly... it might have been in the 40s somewhere...... he still was probably the most athletic player ever.. at least amongst the 7 footers... he was a HIGH-JUMP CHAMPION for gods sake....

check this out:

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/U1130006.jpg
http://www.answersfrommen.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/wilt-1.jpg
http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/imagesCA2UPZLZ.jpg
http://i30.tinypic.com/18g7f5.jpg



AND YOU KNOW HOW FAST HE WAS??? PROBABLY THE FASTEST 7 FOOTER EVER.... LET ME JUST TELL YOU THAT...

WILT WAS A 7 FOOT GAZELLE


take a look at this picture from THE END OF HIS CAREER:

http://www.eba-stats.com/images/legends/chamberlain_jabbar.JPG

I didn't say he wasn't athletic, no 7 footer in the history of the human race has had a 50" vertical. Nobody, and I mean nobody can get there chest rim level, which is what a 50" vertical would do if someone is 7 feet tall.

Also, a high jump is not a vertical, they are two completely different things and require different forms. A vertical is done off two feet, either with one step or no steps at all and is a two footed jump, a high jump is a running start and off one leg.

He was a great athlete, his vertical would be comparable to Shaq/Dwight/Amare, which are all around 36".

[pauk]

and one more thing...

Wilt is clocked at 10.9 sec in the 100 yard dash.

It's recorded in his career at Kansas.

[pauk]

I didn't say he wasn't athletic, no 7 footer in the history of the human race has had a 50" vertical. Nobody, and I mean nobody can get there chest rim level, which is what a 50" vertical would do if someone is 7 feet tall.

Also, a high jump is not a vertical, they are two completely different things and require different forms. A vertical is done off two feet, either with one step or no steps at all and is a two footed jump, a high jump is a running start and off one leg.

He was a great athlete, his vertical would be comparable to Shaq/Dwight/Amare, which are all around 36".

http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/530/lebronaboverim.jpg

http://g.imagehost.org/0677/LBJhigh.jpg

http://www.cavshistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/lbjhighjump.jpg

[knickswin]

^^^^ those are clearrrllllyyyyyy the result of camera angles

[pauk]

^^^^ those are clearrrllllyyyyyy the result of camera angles


you have to be kidding me??

pause at 0:10 here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrCAskM65N4


eh...

how about this one then? :confusedshrug:

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/images.jpg

he can get up that high.... deal with it :lol

[knickswin]

he can get his head at the rim, not his chest

[pauk]

he can get his head OVER the rim and get his Adams Apple at the rim

fixed :D

but thats the highest he ever got.... it happened just some months before he went to Miami.. have to be really super warmed up with your legs and in rythm and make a perfect takeoff to do it....

most often its simply like this, which is still impressive :D

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_2EXfqqcAyDA/TRTsji6x3SI/AAAAAAAAOf8/AWHmE66f9WA/JHP10_NBA_36285.JPG

[abuC]

Pauk, angle and perspective make it look like that, he is not getting his chest or neck at the rim.

[abuC]

fixed :D

but thats the highest he ever got.... it happened just some months before he went to Miami.. have to be really super warmed up with your legs and in rythm and make a perfect takeoff to do it....

most often its simply like this, which is still impressive :D

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_2EXfqqcAyDA/TRTsji6x3SI/AAAAAAAAOf8/AWHmE66f9WA/JHP10_NBA_36285.JPG


http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/8/2011/05/ames_room_1.jpg

Is the woman on the right really 10 feet tall?

You cannot trust camera angles, especially when pictures are taken from a distance looking up.

[pauk]

http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/8/2011/05/ames_room_1.jpg

Is the woman on the right really 10 feet tall?

You cannot trust camera angles, especially when pictures are taken from a distance looking up.

for gods sake man.......

ok you win......

lebron can not dunk... his head is nowhere near the rim... he is not 6'8"+ and has a 44" vertical......

ITS ALL JUST A ILLUSION........

[Phong]

Pauk quotes "chest at rim level" and then proceed to post pictures of LeBron with his head at rim level. :facepalm

[LBJ 23]

There is no disputing this, really.

Watch some footage of him where he time after time drives to the lane, gets airborne, spins around and does some sort of crazy behind the pack pass, after switching hands, to the open man.

It requires great body control, and overall athleticism to be able to do this.



Excatly, here's your answer. Overall athleticism, I'm not disputing this, but we are talking about top 10 athletes of NBA history here. Players who were unique when it comes to combination of speed, quickness, power, vertical, strength,....

Sure, Nash has great body control but that's not enough. Not even close. He's also quick but nowhere near Rose/Iverson/Wade level.

[PistonsFan#21]

well... Wilt said numerous times he had a 50 inch vert and he used have his head over the rim....

and you know what.... its not so hard to NOT believe..... even if he didnt had that vert exactly... it might have been in the 40s somewhere...... he still was probably the most athletic player ever.. at least amongst the 7 footers... he was a LONG-JUMP, HIGH-JUMP, TRACK N FIELD CHAMPION for gods sake....



Wilt also said he could beat Muhammad Ali in boxing fight, that he had sex with over 20 000 women and that he got in a fight with a mountain lion and that he ended up victorious by grabbing it by its tale and throwing it away.

I guess its all true since Wilt said so.

Honestly if Wilt was the tallest player of his era while also being the fastest, strongest and highest jumper with the biggest wingspan and reach how come he resorted to sso many fadeaways and awkward finger rolls? He should have been able to overpower and dunk the ball on almost every possession and his FG% should have been over 70% for his career

[eliteballer]

Im not more impressed by LeBron than I was by T-Mac

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZg6Y0BA4iE&t=5m49s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuDFLKVW8vE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZg6Y0BA4iE&t=8m20s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2pahP6dFTE

[pauk]

Im not more impressed by LeBron than I was by T-Mac

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZg6Y0BA4iE&t=5m49s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuDFLKVW8vE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZg6Y0BA4iE&t=8m20s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2pahP6dFTE

dunks? maybe.. arguably... but then the list would completely change...

the topic here is ATHLETES... as in best combination of speed, quickness, agility, power, leaping, longevity, cardio and SIZE...

which T-Mac falls short of compared to Lebron

[eliteballer]

McGrady was quicker, and defintely more agile:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuDFLKVW8vE

[pauk]

McGrady was quicker, and defintely more agile:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuDFLKVW8vE

maybe just as quick & agile...

then we go by:

SPEED (not even close here for T-mac.... Lebron is by facts the fastest man in the NBA.. and that fact is 4.36 second 40 yard dash... fastest 40 yard dash ever is 4.2 sec.... so i dont think anybody is faster than that in the NBA... as evidenced by videos like these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNaLIhzSYDI
and he can do that with the ball to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhlO7Z-ozug)

POWER/STRENGTH (not even arguable)

LONGEVITY/INJURY "PRONE'NESS" (dont even get me started)

CARDIO (much better cardio than T-Mac ever had)

SIZE (He does this at 6'9"-260 lbs... compared to a T-Mac in his prime 6'8"-220 lbs)

VERTICAL/LEAPING (44" inch vertical and a bit more of ONE LEG > 42" inches strict two foot leaper)

[RRR3]

LeBron is probably the most athletic player in NBA history, but T-Mac was amazing too, and he was much more fluid than LBJ for what it's worth.

[pegasus]

Pauk, angle and perspective make it look like that, he is not getting his chest or neck at the rim.

But I think pauk got his head at Lebron's rim level.

[PTB Fan]

LeBron's the most physically gifted player of all time, closely followed by Wilt at #2, #3 Shaq, #4 Dr J, #5 Michael Jordan and the rest is all arguable.

[Droid101]

What a surprise... a decent idea for a thread destroyed when pauk shows up.

[madmax]

1. Lebron - haters can hate, but dude is most athletically gifted player of all time bar none. Eyes don't lie and videos are there to witness for anyone

2. Wilt - even forgetting all the exaggerated crap he was the most athletic 7-footer of al time. nuff said

3. Carter - yup, Vince was an animal in his prime. One only has to watch his Olympic dunk over french giant to see what he was capable of doing.

4. Dr.J, Jordan, T-Mac - these guys are on similar level athletically to me, very impressive for their time, but nothing extraordinary

[bizil]

pre-injury Amar'e was serious business. He was as quick as any big man who's ever played the game and extremely powerful.

Amare was indeed a beast. And what about McDyess before he got hurt. I feel Amare, McDyess, Blake, and Kemp were cut from the same athletic power forward cloth in terms of being in that 6'9 to 6'10 and 240 pound size range.

[bizil]

I think a prime KG deserves a mention as well. He had a sick combo of speed and hops for a 7 footer.

[Jameerthefear]

But I think pauk got his head at Lebron's rim level.
This :roll: :roll: :roll:
He even said Lebron would be elite as a qb in the NFL. What a joke.

[nightprowler10]

Prime KG anyone?

[Cali Syndicate]

fixed :D

but thats the highest he ever got.... it happened just some months before he went to Miami.. have to be really super warmed up with your legs and in rythm and make a perfect takeoff to do it....

most often its simply like this, which is still impressive :D

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_2EXfqqcAyDA/TRTsji6x3SI/AAAAAAAAOf8/AWHmE66f9WA/JHP10_NBA_36285.JPG

Adam's apple? That's James White level. Lebron can't touch James White's leaping ability.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb7yehtLJHE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkOVTAN6tMc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9vO8o-zL_Q

[Scoooter]

David Robinson doesn't get mentioned enough. That guy was a freak.

[Asukal]

What are you guys smoking???? Wilt is clearly THE undisputed most athletic NBA player of all time. Want proof? Jlauber said Wilt can dunk his free throws. No one in the history of the game is able to do that shit, not Lebron, not Jordan, not VC, certainly not Shaq, only Wilt. :rockon:

[MasterDurant24]

David Robinson doesn't get mentioned enough. That guy was a freak.
This. Him and David Thompson should be on everyone's lists.


http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0907/athlete.thrill.list/images/david-Thompson.jpg

[DRose1899]

Shaq is much more faster from Wilt from what I see from footage.

[jlauber]

What are you guys smoking???? Wilt is clearly THE undisputed most athletic NBA player of all time. Want proof? Jlauber said Wilt can dunk his free throws. No one in the history of the game is able to do that shit, not Lebron, not Jordan, not VC, certainly not Shaq, only Wilt. :rockon:

I never claimed that Wilt could dunk FTs, but it is fascinating the both the NCAA and the NBA outlawed the dunking of FTs BECAUSE it was believed that CHAMBERLAIN could dunk his FTs.

In any case...here was Scott Ostler's take...

http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-12-24/sports/25547665_1_freaky-flagpole-big-dipper


Wilt is my winner. Fifty points a game for an entire season? While opponents were allowed to mug him with impunity?

He could have been a decathlon champ. Great sprinter. Phenomenal leaper, very rare for a 7 -footer. With two steps, Wilt could take off from behind the free throw line and dunk.

Chamberlain once challenged a very fit sportswriter friend of mine to "flagpole" himself. Wilt had the driver stop the team bus. My friend couldn't do a flagpole. Wilt, 7-1 and about 270, grabbed onto the metal sign pole and slowly extended his body to parallel with the ground, then held the pose. Try it.





And there were accounts that Wilt was dunking on a 12 ft. rim, that oddly enough, was put up by his coach at KU at the time he was there.

As for vertical leaps, veteran sports writer George Kiseda claimed he measured a Wilt leap at over 42". And Philly legend Sonny Hill claims to have seen Wilt touch the top of the backboard.

And none other than Hank Stram claimed that Wilt would have been all-pro in football, too. He invited Wilt to a Chief's tryout in the mid-60's, and to his astonishment, Wilt outraced his fastest running back, and then put on a clinic. BTW, Stram also had 6-9 Buck Buchanon on his SB winning teams, so if anyone would know about Wilt's football skills, it would have been him. In any case, Stram immediately offered Wilt a LEGITIMATE contract to play for the Chiefs.

As for those that mentioned that Wilt thought he could beat Ali in a fight...well, none other than Cus D'Amato believed that he could. In any case, Chamberlain was TWICE offered LEGITIMATE contracts to fight Ali.

And there were those that believed Wilt to be among the strongest athletes in the world at the time. In any case, he was universally accepted as the strongest NBA player of his time (and probably of all-time), and was widely regarded as among the fastest players in the league. Of course, with his 7-2 height, and 7-8 wingspan, it is very likely that no one else has ever reached the heights that Wilt did, either.


Of course, we also KNOW that Wilt won a college high-jump championship, and also participated on KU's long-jump, triple jump, 440, 880, 4x100, and shot put teams..all PART-TIME. On top of all of that he ran marathons in both high school, and he was running them even in his late 50's.

And speaking of age, Wilt was offered LEGITMATE NBA contracts even at age 50. None other than Larry Brown witnessed Wilt dominating a summer league game that included Magic Johnson, and Wilt was in his mid-40's at the time.

Or how about this...Wilt at 50...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1065131/2/index.htm


And how strong was he exactly? How fast? How high could he jump? How long? Who knows? By now, the myths of what Chamberlain did at his leisure (or might have done, if he hadn't been concentrating on basketball) compete in memory all too much with whatever did happen. Wilt is not averse to embellishing his own legend here and there, either. At the moment, Lynda Huey, an old friend, a travel agent by trade, a track nut by passion, is trying to get Wilt to enter the World Veterans Championships in track and field (50-year-old division) next year in Melbourne. "Wilt will rewrite all the record books," Huey says blithely.

And what event would you enter, Wilt? The discus, the 200, the high jump? "Almost anything," he shrugs. These days, for typical daily amusement he competes (against others or himself) in the following activities: basketball, racquetball, volleyball, tennis, polo (yes, the kind with horses), rowing single sculls, swimming, running races, lifting weights, hurling objects, performing the martial arts, aerobics and walking long distances. He still holds his own in scrimmages with current NBA players. The Nets' offer, while obviously of considerable publicity value to a team somewhere out in the suburbs that nobody knows exists, was perfectly legitimate. Wilt finally turned it down only because he was afraid he would disappoint people, afraid that even though he was sure he would acquit himself proudly, playing in the NBA in his 50th year, nothing he could do would be enough to satisfy expectations.



Now I could take the time and post all of the above reference links, but I have done so many times, so there is no need. But, I thought I would post this last one for the benefit of Dickwad.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=degree/list_allaroundathletes


Wilt's hoops bona fides are so well known that we'll skip them, except to note that in addition to all of his scoring marks, he remains the only center to lead the NBA in assists. But on to his other athletic exploits (yeah, yeah, we could mention his 20K as proof of his athleticism, but this is a family site).


If you couldn't tell Chamberlain was strong, fast and agile from his basketball playing, you could look to his track and field performances. As a prep, he set Pennsylvania state records in the shot put and the 110-meter hurdles, and his scholarship to Kansas was for both basketball and track. He earned the track portion by winning three straight Big Eight high jump titles.





Wilt Chamberlain put up some hoops stats that nobody could dream of duplicating today.After he retired from basketball, the Dipper transformed himself into a world-class volleyball player. For fun, he ran marathons. He also turned down offers to play pro football and box professionally.



Now whether you choose to accept the above, or not, those were not MY opinions.

[Go Getter]

Shaq is much more faster from Wilt from what I see from footage.
he's not. Trust.

[jlauber]

Shaq is much more faster from Wilt from what I see from footage.

Wilt was a SPRINTER (among MANY track events) at Kansas.

And take a look at this footage...a little past the one minute mark...he just blows by everyone from one end of the court to the other...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB43A-ODuLc

[NinjaSeal]

first person i thought of was dennis rodman.. no one even mentioned him smh

dude was 38 grabbing 14 rebounds per game

[pauk]

LeBron is probably the most athletic player in NBA history, but T-Mac was amazing too, and he was much more fluid than LBJ for what it's worth.

thing is lebrons athleticism is extremly unique... because of that SIZE... we have never seen anybody at least 6'8" & 260 lbs dude like that....

T-Mac in his athletic prime is easily one of the most athletic ever aswell.... but it didnt last to long :( longevity/endurance was not so nice

I think being able to shake of wear n tear and recover quick and come back even stronger is a Athletic feat...... if u have seen Lebron for example twist his ankles all the time, gets thrown to the ground 24-7, people smashing his head his headband falls into the 3rd row... he just goes right back up, takes a 20 sec break and gets right back in there like nothing happened all the time.......... we have never seen Lebron injured.... the games he missed in the season were all games which his coach gave him a night-off to rest at the end of the season, because of playoffs......

oh... he missed some games due to breaking his nose early in his career, but he got back in there immediately as he got his Mask.... then he had a right elbow injury (due to DUNKING to hard lol)... that didnt stop him either...

Lebron is a god damn CYBORG

[RRR3]

thing is lebrons athleticism is extremly unique... because of that SIZE... we have never seen anybody at least 6'8" & 260 lbs dude like that....

T-Mac in his athletic prime is easily one of the most athletic ever aswell.... but it didnt last to long :( longevity/endurance was not so nice

I think being able to shake of wear n tear and recover quick and come back even stronger is a Athletic feat...... if u have seen Lebron for example twist his ankles all the time, gets thrown to the ground 24-7, people smashing his head his headband falls into the 3rd row... he just goes right back up, takes a 20 sec break and gets right back in there like nothing happened all the time.......... we have never seen Lebron injured.... the games he missed in the season were all games which his coach gave him a night-off to rest at the end of the season, because of playoffs......

oh... he missed some games due to breaking his nose, but he got back in there immediately as he got his Mask....

Lebron is a god damn CYBORG

T-Mac was born with mild scoliosis. He was dommed to have an abbreviated career. :cry: He could have been so damn good, better than LeBron and Kobe IMO.

[pauk]

T-Mac was born with mild scoliosis. He was dommed to have an abbreviated career. :cry: He could have been so damn good, better than LeBron and Kobe IMO.

damn didnt know that.... yes T-Mac had potential :bowdown:

[RRR3]

damn didnt know that.... yes T-Mac had potential :bowdown:
:applause: :applause:

[JaskoX1]

Id give a Steve Nash or Manu Ginobili a nod on the list.

[Heavincent]

VC is the most athletic player of all time. No doubt. It's not just his vertical, it's his ridiculous body control too.

[RRR3]

VC is the most athletic player of all time. No doubt. It's not just his vertical, it's his ridiculous body control too.

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/71/miami_heat-haters_gonna_hate.jpg

[eliteballer]

vc doesnt have some massive vertical compared to the other guys. He has big hands and loooong arms. The arms give an illusion. Pay attention to his HEAD in relation to the rim.

[B-Low]

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_liusxrVqno1qdi785o1_500.jpg

**** his head...Franchise's FEET are about 2 feet below rim level :rockon:

[Heavincent]

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/71/miami_heat-haters_gonna_hate.jpg

Who am I hating? What the hell are you talking about?

[RRR3]

Who am I hating? What the hell are you talking about?
LeBron is a better athlete than VC. It's pretty clear. Better dunker=/=better athlete.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Vince Carter is #1. Best balance, body control, leaping ability, agility, quickness and vert. Definitely the best.

[RRR3]

Vince Carter is #1. Best balance, body control, leaping ability, agility, quickness and vert. Definitely the best.
Vince Carter was not the most agile or quickest player ever :wtf:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Vince Carter was not the most agile or quickest player ever :wtf:

Vince had the best combination of the attributes I listed. It's not even debatable.

[Heavincent]

LeBron is a better athlete than VC. It's pretty clear. Better dunker=/=better athlete.

You obviously didn't watch VC in his prime. I'm not just talking about dunks needle-dick.

kuniva_dAMiGhTy explained it pretty well:
Vince Carter is #1. Best balance, body control, leaping ability, agility, quickness and vert. Definitely the best.

[Heavincent]

Vince Carter was not the most agile or quickest player ever :wtf:

VC is quicker and more agile than Lebron. Sorry.

I love how I'm a "hater" because I think VC is a superior athlete to Lebron. ****ing Lebron groupies are pathetic.

[Dizzle-2k7]

VC is quicker and more agile than Lebron. Sorry.

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vince has body control and finesse on lebron.. thats about it.

quickness about even.

but SPEED lebron blows him away... strength blows him away., leaping ability he def gets higher.

why is lebron disrepected so much? :oldlol:

http://schteeve.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/nba_g_lebron_flex_5761.jpg

[Heavincent]

leaping ability he def gets higher.


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-DSk2dwUb04/TDC52MYEjnI/AAAAAAAABz4/EZ9s2ZFOUdc/s1600/carter.jpg

http://wannadunk.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Vince-Carter-Elbow-in-Rim-Dunk.jpg

[Dizzle-2k7]

^impressive can you show any pics of vince's head above the rim like lebrons been^

[Ikill]

^impressive can you show any pics of vince's head above the rim like lebrons been^
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMwYZ-WegYk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxJ4yI3Y1NI
VC has a 43 inch vertical
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Vince-Carter-1951/
I doubt Lebron can jump that high even if he can Vince still is better off two feet better without running and quicker off the ground.

[RRR3]

Hilarious how when they want to downgrade LeBron, people will say "well he has the most athletic ability of any NBA player ever, that's the ONLY reason he's any good", but when we discuss who is the best at something they refuse to admit it in a positive way. :roll:

[pegasus]

I think pauk and RRR3 got their heads at Lebron's rim level.

Fixed.

[Asukal]

Now whether you choose to accept the above, or not, those were not MY opinions.

That is what they are exactly, just opinions and there's no proof or footage just exaggerated stories. Yet for some reason you seem to believe in them as facts.

[jlauber]

That is what they are exactly, just opinions and there's no proof or footage just exaggerated stories. Yet for some reason you seem to believe in them as facts.

What is really interesting is that Wilt played for, and against, HUNDREDS of NBA players. He played for, and against, DOZENS of coaches. He was followed by MANY members of the media. And he was well known by MILLIONS throughout the world.

And yet, with all of these so-called "myths" (and the vast majority were NOT started by Wilt BTW)...where are those LEGITIMATE sources that have come forth and DISPUTED them?

Don't you think that maybe just someone would have seen Wilt attempting to dunk on a 12 ft. basket, and failing? Or attempting to touch the top of the backboard, and not making it? Or trying to bench press 500 lbs, and failing?

[jlauber]

Just some fascinating info on Wilt's athletcism...



(Monte) Johnson recalled that: "Wilt had such unbelievable endurance and speed that, if he took off running, there wasn't any chance that anybody would keep up with him. He glided around the track and had the grace of a deer. I said to the coach, 'It might look like it helps us to chase him, but it may kill us because you can't catch someone who runs that fast.' After practice, he was the only one who wasn't tired. I never sam him tired."
Wilt: Larger than Life, Robert Cherry

Bill Mayer, then the managing editor of the 'Lawrence Journal-World' recalled on of Wilt's impressive athletic feats: "We played Oklahoma in basketball on a friday night, here in Lawrence(, Kansas), When Oklahoma had one helluva team. And they pounded the living daylights out of Wilt, just beat him to a pulp. I think he got 32 points. This was on a friday, and the finals of the Big Seven indoor track championship were the next night in Kansas city in the Municipal Auditorium. Wilt goes in, and with a minimum of practice during the week-he had just been fiddling around-he sets a school record and ties for the Big Seven championship, jumping 6' 6 3/4""
Wilt: Larger than Life, Robert Cherry

"Nobody seems to appreciate what an incredible player Wilt was," Russell said at 1997 All-Star Game when the league named and honored its 50 greatest players. "He was the best player of all time because he dominated the floor like nobody else ever could. To be that big and that athletic was special."

[MasterDurant24]

first person i thought of was dennis rodman.. no one even mentioned him smh

dude was 38 grabbing 14 rebounds per game
:facepalm

This man has clearly never seen Dennis Rodman play, lol at the mention of him in a top 10 athletes thread.

[pauk]

vince has body control and finesse on lebron.. thats about it.

quickness about even.

but SPEED lebron blows him away... strength blows him away., leaping ability he def gets higher.

why is lebron disrepected so much? :oldlol:

http://schteeve.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/nba_g_lebron_flex_5761.jpg

and.......... he does it at 6'9"-260..... compared to vince 6'6"...


and.......... he does it with much better endurance/cardio/longevity......


:facepalm @ those who say Carter was a better athlete..... he was no more than a Dominique Wilkins imo....


Lebron & Jordan had much better combination of speed, quickness, agility, power, strength, leaping, SIZE and longevity/cardio/endurance or you can call it "anti injury prone-ness"

[RRR3]

and.......... he does it at 6'9"-260..... compared to vince 6'7"...


and.......... he does it with much better endurance/cardio/longevity......


:facepalm @ those who say Carter was a better athlete..... he was no more than a Dominique Wilkins imo....
VC was the GOAT dunker for sure IMO, but LeBron is clearly a better athlete.

[pauk]

VC was the GOAT dunker for sure IMO, but LeBron is clearly a better athlete.

absolutely... VC is easily the most creative dunker ever

but i think even Tracy McGrady in his prime was a better overall athlete than Vince.... pretty much matches VC in everything, but T-Mac was also a bit more quicker/faster i think... and definitely more fluid


but both of their athletic primes didnt last to long :(

[PistonsFan#21]

Vince had the best combination of the attributes I listed. It's not even debatable.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/Derrick_Rose_2.jpg/220px-Derrick_Rose_2.jpg

this guy beats him in every single category you listed...including vertical jump

[Asukal]

What is really interesting is that Wilt played for, and against, HUNDREDS of NBA players. He played for, and against, DOZENS of coaches. He was followed by MANY members of the media. And he was well known by MILLIONS throughout the world.

And yet, with all of these so-called "myths" (and the vast majority were NOT started by Wilt BTW)...where are those LEGITIMATE sources that have come forth and DISPUTED them?

Don't you think that maybe just someone would have seen Wilt attempting to dunk on a 12 ft. basket, and failing? Or attempting to touch the top of the backboard, and not making it? Or trying to bench press 500 lbs, and failing?

If he was so popular as you claim why don't we have ANY videos of his mythical prowess? We have footage of some of his highlights, and he was indeed athletic but not nearly as godlike as all these myths about him. From what I have seen in some videos of Wilt, he's probably not stronger than Shaq and not as skilled as Hakeem.

Of course these myths are just myths unless proven otherwise, all these quotes and stories about his prowess are to be taken with a grain of salt. Bird once said "God disguised as Michael Jordan", should we then believe MJ is really god in disguise? Bird was clearly exaggerating his statement, do I have to dispute it and say "Bird you are wrong, he is not god in disguise he is just another man and I've seen him miss shots and lose games"?

:confusedshrug:

[Asukal]

You say no one ever debunked his claims?

Here's one example:
http://sportsbybrooks.com/ex-lakers-reporter-wilt-20000-claim-was-farcical-27909