All those who voted for or supported Bush...

[crisoner]

Please explain why you did so first and then write an apology for doing so.

Thank you....

[TMacsOneGoodEye]

"Because he's white like me!"

"Because he's a good christian boy whos going to heaven"

"Because his daddy was an excellent president"

"Because he promised not to increase taxes"

"Because he would NEVER cheat on his wife!"

"Because he's opposed to gay marriage"

Not once will you ever hear someone say "Because he's a good president & leader and cares about our people" with a straight face.

[crisoner]

"Because he's white like me!"

"Because he's a good christian boy whos going to heaven"

"Because his daddy was an excellent president"

"Because he promised not to increase taxes"

"Because he would NEVER cheat on his wife!"

"Because he's opposed to gay marriage"

Not once will you ever hear someone say "Because he's a good president & leader and cares about our people" with a straight face.

They said the country voted for Bush because he seemed to be just an odinary man most people can relate to.

I think it really just shows how stupid and uneducated people who live in the bible belt are.

[JtotheIzzo]

the future of the American neo/con group think agenda:

First they put away the dealers,

keep our kids safe and off the street.

Then they put away the prostitutes,

keep married men cloistered at home.

Then they shooed away the bums,

then they beat and bashed the queers,

turned away asylum-seekers,

fed us suspicions and fears.

We didn

[reppy]

People voted for Bush because he, was um, you know, "authentic" and "decisive" or something.

[shafir]

People voted for Bush because John Kerry was an idiot, in 2000 he actually lost the election against Gore.

[TMacsOneGoodEye]

I've been saying it since I was 7 years old. The ugly, redneck, hillbilly white people of the south are gonna be the death of the world.

[Timmeh]

I've been saying it since I was 7 years old. The ugly, redneck, hillbilly white people of the south are gonna be the death of the world. ??? Learn what you talk about before you blurt retarded stuff like that out.

First, the South isn't full of redneck hillbilly white people. Hell, most of the white people that live in the south now are at least middle class families. The Mexicans are the hillbilly trash that's taking over.

Second, the Republican party is more catered to the middle to upper class. That's why the Democrats call themselves the party for the common person.

Now, as for Bush, probably the only reason he got elected twice was because he was the lesser of two evils.

Look at Al Gore. Would you really want somebody running your nation who's more concerned with involving the entire world with his unproven global warming theory? If he had been in office instead of Bush he undoubtedly would have formed a UN-like panel for global warming and it would flop like the League of Nations did.

Now, John Kerry. I think it's obvious that the guy didn't deserve to really be president. He was just a moron.

Now, if Bush was running against Hillary Clinton or John Edwards, then Bush would be trampeled.

[telephone]

I think Kerry >> Bush. He really didnt seem like an idiot.


First, the South isn't full of redneck hillbilly white people. Hell, most of the white people that live in the south now are at least middle class families. The Mexicans are the hillbilly trash that's taking over.

Yes that is true to some extent but there are lots of dumbass hick farmers that pick corn. Awesome.

There is either a 33% drop-out rate or only 33% of teenagers graduate. I am not sure which one but either is pretty bad. IMO the only way to stop the outsourcing and keep the competitiveness is to educate the poor mexicans/illegals.

I am tired of Bush's BS. He has to do something about education in this country. I know he might not have a whole lot of power but something has to be done. China and India are going to surpass us and own us. OBviously only the "fortunate people" are getting educated in india but there is enough of that there are more college graduates in india then there are people in USA.

There needs to be some special programs and have mandatory education or whatever or USA is screwed because the drop out rate isnt getting any better.

[Smokee]

People voted for Bush because he, was um, you know, "authentic" and "decisive" or something.



this is true and its why America is full of very stupid people.

Bush's campaigns capitalized on simple catch phrases to get into the mass's heads that Kerry was a flip flopper and indecisive. While Bush platformed he was decisive and in it to win it to the end. It was almost something that would happen in a schoolyard argument, where someone says something then the other guy twists what he says into something simple for them to understand negatively depicting him for saying that.

Many people couldnt understand the idea that its ok to change your mind as situations change. Thats why Kerry was called a flipflopper because like a rationale person he changed his mind based on new evidence or how pointless/ineffective things were after the fact. Its what happened in Vietnam where Kerry testified against the war after serving in it. Its what happened with Iraq where most politicians were initially for going to war, but based on what they didnt find in Iraq and questioning the real reasons Bush went to war changed their minds. Bush turned all that into them being flipfloppers, indecisive, while he was the decisive one that would stay the course to the end.

and up to this point i'll give Bush credit for sticking to what he platformed on. The American people got what they voted for - a stubbornly ignorant President that has stayed the course and needlessly wasted billions of dollars and troops lives beyond the point of reasonability, and way after most of the American people had changed theirs about the Iraq war. You have to understand that Bush is JUST NOW giving in to their initial plan not working. This is also after alot of propaganda being fed to us of how great things were going iin Iraq by the Bush administration and thats all they wanted reported to us, while news agencies like CNN were being called "liberal" news agencies implying they were twisting the truth when they were reporting the truth that things werent going well.

I said this earlier but if any of you ever watched the interview Wolf Blitzer had with Cheney's wife, it showed the white house mentality of propaganda for the war. To summarize she would say to Wolf how come you(CNN) doesnt report about all the good things happening in Iraq and only reporting all the bad. Where Wolf would reply because there are alot of bad things going on, and her reply was do you want to win the war?

There are alot of other reasons obviously for why Bush was elected, but i think what i touched on in terms of putting things in simple terms for the dumbest of people to base their votes on really worked. Also i'm not saying Kerry would've been great either, but i know he would've caused way less of a mess than Bush with his more conservative approach to everything.

[telephone]

Yes and that is why politics isnt all about the best candidate but just about what you can do to win.

For example, Howard Dean was the best candidate but screwed it up with his "I ahve a scream" speech and kerry was their best chance to win.

The Bush campaign party saw that the flip-flop phrase was a good chance fro them to win so they took it.

[Sean77]

You know when a former Republican post-wartime President like Ford(may he rest in peace) has to disagree with how Bush AND Rumsfeld AND Cheney are doing things, it's a mess.

[onewickedlady]

Timmeh--
You ought to be ashamed of yourself. If your attitude toward Mexicans is a reflection of the "middle-class" families of the South then why wouldn't people diss the Southerners?

[Timmeh]

I'm sorry if that offends you but it's the truth.

I went to get my driver's license renewed today and under race, they put me down for "Non-Latino". Are there that many illegals or Latino-non-english-speaking citizens in America to where the government is deciphering Latinos from Non-Latinos?

[statman32]

People voted for Bush because John Kerry was an idiot, in 2000 he actually lost the election against Gore.
agree...i was barely not old enough to vote in the last election but i would have voted for the lesser of the two idiots...bush

[IlliniFan]

agree...i was barely not old enough to vote in the last election but i would have voted for the lesser of the two idiots...bush
You get any idiot with Bush, and the lesser of the 2 idiots will NEVER be Bush. He is a complete and utter moron.

[onewickedlady]

I'm sorry if that offends you but it's the truth.

I went to get my driver's license renewed today and under race, they put me down for "Non-Latino". Are there that many illegals or Latino-non-english-speaking citizens in America to where the government is deciphering Latinos from Non-Latinos?

The important issue is not that it offends me personally, but it insults all of us (including my family) who are relatively recent immigrants to this country and all people who recognize that America was built on the hard work and sacrifice of immigrants and your attitude flies in the face of the basic human respect and dignity that people inherently deserve. People often have had problems with those who are different and to overgeneralize by trashing all people of certain nationalities, you perpetuate the ignorance that divides people and that makes it possible for political and religious extremists to hold sway over the minds of many Americans.
(In fact, Timmeh, if you are not full-blooded Native American then do you belong here?)

[Timmeh]

Did I say that immigrants were bringing this country down? NO! I said the Mexicans were. And I apologize for not elaborating enough on it. I fully support immigrants, from whatever nation, that come to America and actually work, abide the laws, and be a model citizen. I do not support these people who sneak into the country, and either steal a hard working citizen's identity, or mooch off of the government. And that goes for blacks, whites, and any other color of race.

[telephone]

I do not support these people who sneak into the country, and either steal a hard working citizen's identity, or mooch off of the government. And that goes for blacks, whites, and any other color of race.

IF i lived in mexico i would come here illegal. Mexico sux and the government is so corrupt. That country should be flourishing with all the natural resources it has. A mexican can make more money working in the US than in mexico. Put yourself in there shoes. You say its bad but you would do the same. I know I would.

[onewickedlady]

I am saying these things calmly and with the intention of educating and not accusing. I have lived well over a half-century and can see a larger picture that you may not be aware of, yet. Please study the history of immigration to this country (both forced immigration such as those enslaved and also intentional immigration) over the past three hundred years and pay particular attention to how immigrants from everywhere have been regarded by those Americans who were here first. You may not have experienced it but most of us who are immigrants and minorities (such as myself) have experienced hatred and discrimination just because we are of a certain religious or ethnic group or race. Perhaps now it is people from Mexico who are accused of taking jobs, sponging off the government, committing crimes, etc. But in the past it has been African peoples, Italians, Jews and lots of other people who were (and who in many cases still are) treated the same way. In fact even my parents--they were first generation American born--suffered through not being able to get housing or jobs and who weren't allowed (legally) to own property in many geographic areas simply because of where we were from or what name we called our God. This is the reality and it is far from the American ideal. I have read that the majority of illegal immigrants to this country are from overseas and if you lived in some of the poverty-ridden areas whether they are south of the border or anywhere else, you would understand why people are so desperate to get to the U.S. in any way possible. I am not an advocate for illegal immigration but when we are not rational then we can't come up with solutions to problems. Should the Mexican government be held to account for not investing in it's own economy so that people remain desperate? Absolutely!!!!!!!!!!! So should all governments--including our own.

[shafir]

IF i lived in mexico i would come here illegal. Mexico sux and the government is so corrupt. That country should be flourishing with all the natural resources it has. A mexican can make more money working in the US than in mexico. Put yourself in there shoes. You say its bad but you would do the same. I know I would.
I agree, put yourselves where these Mexicans are, under a corrupt government, torn up with gangs, and its hard to survive; just a few miles north, is the most powerful country in the world, where everybody supposedly ''has a chance to do anything'' They are fed stories about relatives, and friends who went to America, and lived the american dream. Why WOULDNT they sneak into America? Sure, its wrong, and it hurts the government, but do you think that these Mexican immigrants will decide not to sneak into america, and lead their families into a new, and better life just because the government doesnt want it to happen?

[reppy]

For example, Howard Dean was the best candidate but screwed it up with his "I ahve a scream" speech and kerry was their best chance to win.

That "scream" nonsense was so overplayed. Wow. Guy can't scream because he's happy but apparently it's OK to be an ex-alcoholic/ex-coke addict/failure as a businessman and father?

[Heilige]

I agree, put yourselves where these Mexicans are, under a corrupt government, torn up with gangs, and its hard to survive; just a few miles north, is the most powerful country in the world, where everybody supposedly ''has a chance to do anything'' They are fed stories about relatives, and friends who went to America, and lived the american dream. Why WOULDNT they sneak into America? Sure, its wrong, and it hurts the government, but do you think that these Mexican immigrants will decide not to sneak into america, and lead their families into a new, and better life just because the government doesnt want it to happen?


Oh, I don't know. How about going through the LEGAL CHANNELS that everyone else does. Legal immigration is the key here.

[telephone]

Peopel are denied legal immigration. So ya not everyone gets in legally and it can take over 2 years

[Heilige]

Peopel are denied legal immigration. So ya not everyone gets in legally and it can take over 2 years


It doesn't matter how long it takes. That doesn't give someone the right to break the law. Why don't you tell me why some people are denied legal immigration. There is probably a pretty good reason some people are. Criminial background, etc, etc.

[telephone]

IF you cant become legal than i would say **** it and cross the border to get some money to send to my family.

[reppy]

Native American: Hi, may I see your papers?
Pilgrim: Here you go.
Native American: Hm, yes. Well, sorry; I'm going to have to deny you entry to the United States. Says here you're a religious fanatic that has burned several people at the stake. You also have a tendency of killing so-called "heretics".
Pilgrim: But.. England is awful!
Native American: Sorry, bruh. That's how the corn flour blows.

[Heilige]

IF you cant become legal than i would say **** it and cross the border to get some money to send to my family.


Yeah, and if I was guarding the border and saw you try some mess like that, I'd send your ass back.

[Heilige]

Native American: Hi, may I see your papers?
Pilgrim: Here you go.
Native American: Hm, yes. Well, sorry; I'm going to have to deny you entry to the United States. Says here you're a religious fanatic that has burned several people at the stake. You also have a tendency of killing so-called "heretics".
Pilgrim: But.. England is awful!
Native American: Sorry, bruh. That's how the corn flour blows.


The colonists arrived legally as far as English law. They were sent by an expansionist government to establish a foothold in the "New World". The fact that/we they became successful and desired a split from the tyrannical "mother land" is fodder for another thread.

A lot of our ancestors came over after the wars, or the potato famine, or whatever horrible thing that comming to America was the only way to solve the problem, long after the west was already "won".

People from other lands coming over and essentially setting up shop and/or taking land from Native Americans created America’s population. However, there really weren’t citizen laws then until we made them.

You can’t fault people for wanting a better way of life, but they are indeed breaking the law. So the laws need to either be enforced or revised. In fact, a lot of this country’s laws need to be enforced or revised in my opinion.

What's the point in bringing up the slaughter of the Indians as it relates to illegal immigration? It's not relevant. We live in a modern society with set laws and defined borders. Other governements agree to recognize these national borders, and any breach of that is a violation of our laws.

Illegals are not citizens of this country, but despite that fact, have the option of becoming citizens by taking a pledge and signing a few papers. They have a clear alternative to crossing the border illegally.

You'd also have to keep in mind that the territories on Native North American tribes were also not fixed. There were battles and raids, with some of the bigger empires in South America being particularly bad.

[reppy]

Yeah, English law aka "manifest destiny", right? Oops, someone is already here! Oh well, English law says I can take this land for myself!

[telephone]

It is not as easy as sign a paper and you are a citizen. It takes a lot of crap to become a citizen. You have to have like an established house and stuff and illegals dont usually have that.

We are addicted to illegal immigration so whatever. It brings housing costs down so seriously I dont care

[TMacsOneGoodEye]

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[Heilige]

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The American Indians weren't the first people to settle in N. America, after all...

We live in a modern society with set laws and defined borders. Other governements agree to recognize these national borders, and any breach of that is a violation of our laws.

Illegals are not citizens of this country, but despite that fact, have the option of becoming citizens by taking a pledge and signing a few papers. They have a clear alternative to crossing the border illegally.

Yeah, there were people here before modern Indians. I think I read somewhere where people migrated in waves.

This meant the first people to live here, like the Anasazi and Mound builders, would have been pushed out by later waves of immigrants.

You'd also have to keep in mind that the territories on Native North American tribes were also not fixed. There were battles and raids, with some of the bigger empires in South America being particularly bad.

The US has power over its borders. This is the situation we find ourselves in today. We, along with the vast majority of civilized nations, recognize these borders to be legitimate, and so they are.

[reppy]

See? We have laws. Therefore, we're superior. Just like when we follow international law and the Geneva Convention. We're good people like that.

U.S.A! U.S.A! U.S.A!

[Heilige]

See? We have laws. Therefore, we're superior. Just like when we follow international law and the Geneva Convention. We're good people like that.

U.S.A! U.S.A! U.S.A!


Nice hyperbole. Good to know you're educated on the issues.

[TMacsOneGoodEye]

"President Bush, Jesus, did you get my PM?"

[telephone]

Nice hyperbole. Good to know you're educated on the issues.


How did he overexaggerate?

[Heilige]

"President Bush, Jesus, did you get my PM?"

Hippy liberals, did you get my PM?

[telephone]

Hippy liberals, did you get my PM?

Dumb Redneck, did you get my PM?

[Heilige]

Dumb Redneck, did you get my PM?


I'm not a redneck. Thanks for offending over half the country moron. Everyone that votes Republican is not a redneck.

[telephone]

Everyone that votes democrat isnt a hippy liberal. Moron

[Heilige]

Everyone that votes democrat isnt a hippy liberal. Moron


I know. I'm just dishing what he throws out. TMOGE wants to say only rednecks, Christians and racists vote Republicans and you don't take offense to that?

[Mahmoud]

Please explain why you did so first and then write an apology for doing so.

Thank you....


Because this was the alternative.

http://www.stressbuster1.com/pics/kerry-rabbit2.jpg


If you think Kerry would have done any better, you're either really naive or you don't pay taxes.


It says something that when Kerry had to simply be average to beat Bush, he was underwhelming. I can think of half a dozen people off the top of my head who could have beat Bush in 2004, Kerry wasn't one of them.

[Mahmoud]

??? Learn what you talk about before you blurt retarded stuff like that out.

First, the South isn't full of redneck hillbilly white people. Hell, most of the white people that live in the south now are at least middle class families. The Mexicans are the hillbilly trash that's taking over.

Second, the Republican party is more catered to the middle to upper class. That's why the Democrats call themselves the party for the common person.

Now, as for Bush, probably the only reason he got elected twice was because he was the lesser of two evils.

Look at Al Gore. Would you really want somebody running your nation who's more concerned with involving the entire world with his unproven global warming theory? If he had been in office instead of Bush he undoubtedly would have formed a UN-like panel for global warming and it would flop like the League of Nations did.

Now, John Kerry. I think it's obvious that the guy didn't deserve to really be president. He was just a moron.

Now, if Bush was running against Hillary Clinton or John Edwards, then Bush would be trampeled.


That is wrong by the way. The Democrats cater to the upper class just as much as the Republicans. Republicans are mostly the party of the middle class right now. Don't believe me, look at all the super-wealthy in Hollywood, who they do support? Big real estate companies/land developers? Not Republicans.


Look at pictures of these people in Washington DC. They all sit around having lunch together, Republicans...Democrats, whats the difference. Democrats took over Congress and not a damn thing will change. 4 of the wealthiest senators in Congress are Democrats, they have several special interests that they specifically cater to, including Boeing, various military-industry corporations, the NEA, and so on.

These parties all cater to massively financed special interests and lobbies. There is no choice, because eitherway, the average person gets screwed. Social Security needs work, and the only way the Democrats can fix it is by jacking up taxes, which they fully intend to do on Social Security.

The Republicans have lost their conservative roots and now give into their social control leaders, which has been a disaster. There is no choice, different faces, same people, nothing is being done about illegal immigration, nothing is being done about the head-on-explosion of Baby Boomers and medical care, and the list goes on.

There is no conservative party in this country, there is no true liberal party in this nation. Instead, we have a neoconservative bloc that is braindead when it comes to foreign policy and a authoritarian nanny party that wants to convince you that the state knows best what is for you.

Be smart, vote Libertarian. Don't believe me yet, come back in a year and tell me what amazing improvements the Democrats have made while holding Congress. Don't hold your breath though.

[Mahmoud]

I agree, put yourselves where these Mexicans are, under a corrupt government, torn up with gangs, and its hard to survive; just a few miles north, is the most powerful country in the world, where everybody supposedly ''has a chance to do anything'' They are fed stories about relatives, and friends who went to America, and lived the american dream. Why WOULDNT they sneak into America? Sure, its wrong, and it hurts the government, but do you think that these Mexican immigrants will decide not to sneak into america, and lead their families into a new, and better life just because the government doesnt want it to happen?

So how many is enough? 50 million? 100 million? The state of Texas is already losing around 2-4 billion dollars yearly iin tax money just on costs from illegal immigrants. California is losing billions more. The three states with the highest influx of illegal immigrants are also among the lowest rated in overall education standards. These states are forced to spend more than anyone else on remedial english education.


Many hospitals in these states have been shutdown, as it is illegal to turn away any patient in an emergency room, regardless of whether or not they are able to pay. The cost of insurance(health and auto) in these states is among the highest, due to the high rate of auto accidents that illegals are involved in, not to mention the fact that they very rarely have auto insurance.


Comparing this with the legal migration of immigrants from Europe is intellectually dishonest. The US knew who was coming in, they were checked thoroughly, and while there was disdain, they had every right to be there. The question is, is it America's job to rescue the third world? How many do you think should be allowed across the border? Its not just Mexicans coming here, people of all types of countries are getting through the border, thousands nightly.

Meanwhile, in Mexico, at their southern border, they have machinegun posts, and if an illegal is caught, they are beat/raped and if not murdered, then sent back home. And yet they have the audacity to tell the US how to run immigration policy?

[shafir]

So how many is enough? 50 million? 100 million? The state of Texas is already losing around 2-4 billion dollars yearly iin tax money just on costs from illegal immigrants. California is losing billions more. The three states with the highest influx of illegal immigrants are also among the lowest rated in overall education standards. These states are forced to spend more than anyone else on remedial english education.


Many hospitals in these states have been shutdown, as it is illegal to turn away any patient in an emergency room, regardless of whether or not they are able to pay. The cost of insurance(health and auto) in these states is among the highest, due to the high rate of auto accidents that illegals are involved in, not to mention the fact that they very rarely have auto insurance.


Comparing this with the legal migration of immigrants from Europe is intellectually dishonest. The US knew who was coming in, they were checked thoroughly, and while there was disdain, they had every right to be there. The question is, is it America's job to rescue the third world? How many do you think should be allowed across the border? Its not just Mexicans coming here, people of all types of countries are getting through the border, thousands nightly.

Meanwhile, in Mexico, at their southern border, they have machinegun posts, and if an illegal is caught, they are beat/raped and if not murdered, then sent back home. And yet they have the audacity to tell the US how to run immigration policy?
Well then maybe they should make it easier for Mexicans to become legal citizens. No, its not America's job to save the third world, and they arent, if they wanted to, they wouldnt be complaining about ilegal immigrants. However, the fact that you said that its not USAs job to rescue third world countries, proves that you know that the conditions are bad there. What Mexican wouldnt prefer America's health care system, security, and overall conditions over Mexico? These Mexicans are human beings, not just a number. If they were ABLE to get here legally, why wouldnt they? The fact of the matter is, legal immigration takes too long, and is too expensive. Im not Mexican, but any normal human being would feel for them due to the horrible conditions they live under. Hospitals are being shut down because of the sheer amount of Mexicans, that may be true, but are you saying that you should let these Mexicans die, just because they are illegal? Being illegal doesnt take anything away from being a human being. If America was as bad and corrupt as Mexico was, and it is hard to make money, and Mexico is what America is now, tell me, wouldnt you move if doing it illegally is necesary? Hmm, let me think, should I cross the border to send money to my family so they can survive, or should I reconsider because big ol' US of A will be losing money? Hmmmm?:confusedshrug: Oh wait, if I cross illegally, im no longer considered a human being, screw health care, IM MEXICAN! :wtf: Dont get me wrong, if anybody has the oppurtinity to get into America legally, they should take it, but if they are in desperate situations, and they cant get into America, I would want them to come here illegally, and get a fresh start.

[OldSkoolball#52]

So many Bush threads....

[MavsSuperFan]

So many Bush threads....
that you are bumping...