View Full Version : Wilt Chamberlain's tomahawk move on 6'9 Bob Petit
PHILA
10-22-2011, 10:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHAJjP6e6pg
Sarcastic
10-22-2011, 10:46 PM
Reminds me of Wade's Windmill Crossover (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPYVerGacpc) the way he brings the ball over the defender's head.
Maniak
10-22-2011, 11:02 PM
That was awesome.
Seeing even the smallest of clips from Wilt always interests me.
millwad
10-22-2011, 11:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHAJjP6e6pg
Great move, but Phila, shouldn't you by now with your google "knowledge" know that the guy's name was Bob Pettit. Did google fail you?
HylianNightmare
10-22-2011, 11:51 PM
nice
nice 50" vertical wilt demonstrated
Cangri
10-23-2011, 01:12 AM
Yes Bob was a monster back then and a great defender. He would be shutting down Howard if he played today.
:lol
Ikill
10-23-2011, 01:38 AM
show me a video with Wilts head over the rim
jlauber
10-23-2011, 01:50 AM
show me a video with Wilts head over the rim
Well, Chamberlain played in a total of about 1200 full NBA games in his career, counting the playoffs. That comes to about 900 HOURS of game play. And yet, there is probably no more than a couple of hours of video footage on Wilt.
BTW, wouldn't it be great to have just ONE of his 32 60+ point games available? Even ONE of his 271 40 point games would be nice, don't you think?
senelcoolidge
10-23-2011, 03:12 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv5GrV1GAnA&feature=related
Wilt's head easily at rim level, blocking Oscar's shot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYWlBJQnYJw
An older Wilt still had hops and quickness. Even with a hurt hand easily goes around his man and jams it.
Deuce Bigalow
10-23-2011, 03:19 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv5GrV1GAnA&feature=related
Wilt's head easily at rim level, blocking Oscar's shot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYWlBJQnYJw
An older Wilt still had hops and quickness. Even with a hurt hand easily goes around his man and jams it.
nice :applause:
Asukal
10-23-2011, 08:53 AM
Great move but that video alone suggests Wilt's vertical is no where near 50".
D-Wade316
10-23-2011, 09:04 AM
The vid only proves that Wilt was a finesse player. Good vid BTW.
D-Wade316
10-23-2011, 09:08 AM
Reminds me of Wade's Windmill Crossover (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPYVerGacpc) the way he brings the ball over the defender's head.
Are you a Wade fan?
Jon_Koncak
10-23-2011, 09:29 AM
Big deal.Joel Anthony and Tyson Chandler pull similar moves in every game.
Fatal9
10-23-2011, 09:41 AM
strong defense and strong 10 inch vertical.
Psileas
10-23-2011, 09:50 AM
You gotta love the various cheap shots at Wilt's vertical in a play not meant to demonstrate it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc02Z4-0wDM
Wow, nice 5 inch vertical, Hakeem.
pete's montreux
10-23-2011, 10:06 AM
Most underwhelming clip I've ever seen. Wade does this 3-4 times a game.
jlauber
10-23-2011, 10:41 AM
You gotta love the various cheap shots at Wilt's vertical in a play not meant to demonstrate it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc02Z4-0wDM
Wow, nice 5 inch vertical, Hakeem.
:roll: :roll: :roll:
:applause:
IGOTGAME
10-23-2011, 10:49 AM
strong defense and strong 10 inch vertical.
Its a good step through move. He saw the opening and used footwork to take advantage. Defense was average. Stop hating. Post footwork is really a dying art.
IGOTGAME
10-23-2011, 10:53 AM
Most underwhelming clip I've ever seen. Wade does this 3-4 times a game.
clips shows again that wilt is a fundamentally sound big man with outstanding athleticism and a good feel for when and how to execute. It was a fluid read and react from an otherworldly athlete.
its only underwhelming if you don't appreciate what it demonstrates...that being that wilt would be dominating in the NBA if placed there today.
bwink23
10-23-2011, 11:17 AM
The vid only proves that Wilt was a finesse player. Good vid BTW.
Considering the times he was playing in....dunking with power and force would not have been a good thing for him in the 1960's....what kind of image would that create, a black man bullying white guys?? If he played today, u better believe he'd be looking to take someone's head off.
Asukal
10-23-2011, 11:36 AM
You gotta love the various cheap shots at Wilt's vertical in a play not meant to demonstrate it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc02Z4-0wDM
Wow, nice 5 inch vertical, Hakeem.
Cheap shot? A dunk would've been a much higher percentage shot than the lay up Wilt did. If he had a 50" vertical as he claimed, dunking from that spot during that play would have been extremely easy for him. :hammerhead:
Wilt is a GOAT candidate and I'm not disputing that because he was really dominant in his era but you guys make me sick with all these bs about things he could do. :facepalm
jlauber
10-23-2011, 12:39 PM
Cheap shot? A dunk would've been a much higher percentage shot than the lay up Wilt did. If he had a 50" vertical as he claimed, dunking from that spot during that play would have been extremely easy for him. :hammerhead:
Wilt is a GOAT candidate and I'm not disputing that because he was really dominant in his era but you guys make me sick with all these bs about things he could do. :facepalm
Here is what we do KNOW. Wilt was over 7-1 (and most in his era claimed he was at least 7-2.) He also had a MEASURED wingspan of 7'-8". We also KNOW that SI ran article in 1964 that claimed that Wilt was benching 425 lbs...and that was when he was in his mid-20's. By the late 60's he was regarded as not only the strongest player in the NBA, but he was even mentioned as among the strongest ATHLETES in the world.
We also KNOW that he set a 110 hurdle record in high school. And we KNOW that he participated, PART TIME, on KU's track team. And by particpated, I mean in the 4x100 (yes, he had SPRINTER's speed...and more on that in a few), the 440, the 880, the shotput, the long jump, the triple jump, and, he won a HIGH JUMP championship.
Speed? There were those that claimed he was the fastest man in the NBA, and for years at that. But, here is what we do KNOW. He was invited to a Kansas City Chief tryout in the mid-60's by none other than Hank Stram. Stram tested Wilt's speed, so he had him race the Chief's fastest running back, Curtis McClinton. Chamberlain wiped him out. And by the time the tryout concluded, Stram offered Wilt a LEGITIMATE contract to play for the Chiefs.
Leaping ability? Well, we already KNOW that Wilt was a HIGH-JUMP champion (and it came the night after a basketball game in which the opposing team brutalized Wilt...as nearly every team did), and in a week in which he had liitle time to practice.
Now, we also KNOW that Wilt's coach set up a 12 ft. rim, at the time Wilt was there. And, we KNOW that the NCAA and NBA outlawed the dunking of FTs, BECAUSE it was believed that Wilt was doing just that. Now, whether he did dunk on a 12 ft rim, or dunked his FTs, we really don't know. There ARE articles which claim he did.
We also have an eye-witness account, by a respected sports writer who claimed that he measured Wilt's vertical at 42"...which would then explain the other eye-witness account, by a respected Philadephia sports figure, of Chamberlain touching the top of the backboard. And BTW, there were other NBA players at the time that stated that BOTH Russell and Wilt could accomplish that feat.
The internet is also PLASTERED with Wilt's reported bench press...and most all of them place it at 500+. We also have a TON of eye-witness accounts of extraordinary physical feats. We also have an eye-witness account of Wilt, at age 59, benching 465 lbs. And we have an interview mentioned in Cherry's book on Wilt, with a well-known weight-lifter, who was known to have benched over 500 lbs, claiming that Wilt was the strongest man he ever met.
Finally, we also KNOW these facts:
Wilt scored 100 points in game. He had a season in which he averaged 50 ppg. In fact, he averaged 40 ppg over the course of his first seven years...COMBINED. He also had SIX games of 70+ points; 32 of 60+; 118 of 50+; and 271 of 40+. He had a 55 rebound game (and it came in a game in which he outrebounded Russell, 55-19.) He also had a 41 rebound playoff game (again, against Russell.) He had SEASONS of 27 and 27.2 rpg. He had post-seasons of 29 and 30 rpg. He had SEASONS of .683 and .727 FG%'s. He had the three highest "perfect games" in NBA history (15-15, 16-16, and 18-18.) He made 35 straight FGAs. He had a SEASON in which he LED the NBA in assists. He had TWO entire playoff series in which he averaged a TRIPLE DOUBLE. He had 78 KNOWN triple-doubles. He had the ONLY 20-20-20 triple double in NBA history (22 points, 25 rebounds, and 21 assists.) He had a playoff game of 19 assists. He had a KNOWN QUAD DOUBLE of 24-32-13-12, and that came against Russell. Other than Wilt, there have been 28 30-30 games in NBA history...Wilt had 103 by himself. There have been 61 40-30 games in NBA history,..and Wilt had 55 of them by himself. There have been 30 50-30 games in NBA history, and Wilt has 27 of them (as well as two more in the playoffs.) Wilt has all EIGHT of the 40-40 games in NBA history (and one of them was a 44-43 game against Russell.) And, Wilt has all FIVE of the 50-40 games in NBA history. And, he was so close MANY times of moving up into the next category (for instance, a 62-37 game, or a 45-39 game etc.) Wilt also was credited with having SEASONS of 10+ bpg by noted stats maven Harvey Pollack. Pollack also had Wilt with 25 blocks in one game. And there was a nationally televised game in 1968 in which Wilt RECORDED 23 blocks.
Wilt LED the NBA in scoring SEVEN times. He LED the NBA in FG%, NINE times. He LED the NBA in rebounding, ELEVEN times. He even LED the NBA in assists one season. He also LED the NBA in scoring AND rebounding, at the SAME time, FIVE times. He LED the NBA in scoring AND FG%, at the same time, FOUR times. He LED the NBA in rebounding and FG%, at the same time, EIGHT times. He even LED the NBA in scoring, rebounding, and FG%, at the SAME time, THREE times (as well as leading the NBA in rebounding, FG%, AND assists, at the SAME once.)
He STILL holds some 130+ NBA records, too.
Psileas
10-23-2011, 12:42 PM
Cheap shot? A dunk would've been a much higher percentage shot than the lay up Wilt did. If he had a 50" vertical as he claimed, dunking from that spot during that play would have been extremely easy for him. :hammerhead:
So this must also mean that every finger-roll or lay-up Wilt performed must have been due to him not being athletic enough to dunk. OK, then, go to the Hakeem video I posted. Why didn't Hakeem dunk it instead of laying it up? Was he not athletic enough or were Hakeem's layups somehow more efficient than his dunks?
Plus, I didn't know that 50 inches are the threshold between a very athletic big man and a not that much.
Again, people try to hate based on trivia. If some video of Wilt f***ing 4 girls in a row appeared, we'd have people saying "nice video, but where are the other 19,996?".
Wilt is a GOAT candidate and I'm not disputing that because he was really dominant in his era but you guys make me sick with all these bs about things he could do. :facepalm
This isn't about what Wilt could do. This is just basic logic. Wilt lost his personal opponent, then went for an easy lay-up. No need to push it further in order to dunk.
Fatal9
10-23-2011, 01:32 PM
Here is what we do KNOW. Wilt was over 7-1 (and most in his era claimed he was at least 7-2.) He also had a MEASURED wingspan of 7'-8". We also KNOW that SI ran article in 1964 that claimed that Wilt was benching 425 lbs...and that was when he was in his mid-20's. By the late 60's he was regarded as not only the strongest player in the NBA, but he was even mentioned as among the strongest ATHLETES in the world.
We also KNOW that he set a 110 hurdle record in high school. And we KNOW that he participated, PART TIME, on KU's track team. And by particpated, I mean in the 4x100 (yes, he had SPRINTER's speed...and more on that in a few), the 440, the 880, the shotput, the long jump, the triple jump, and, he won a HIGH JUMP championship.
Speed? There were those that claimed he was the fastest man in the NBA, and for years at that. But, here is what we do KNOW. He was invited to a Kansas City Chief tryout in the mid-60's by none other than Hank Stram. Stram tested Wilt's speed, so he had him race the Chief's fastest running back, Curtis McClinton. Chamberlain wiped him out. And by the time the tryout concluded, Stram offered Wilt a LEGITIMATE contract to play for the Chiefs.
Leaping ability? Well, we already KNOW that Wilt was a HIGH-JUMP champion (and it came the night after a basketball game in which the opposing team brutalized Wilt...as nearly every team did), and in a week in which he had liitle time to practice.
Now, we also KNOW that Wilt's coach set up a 12 ft. rim, at the time Wilt was there. And, we KNOW that the NCAA and NBA outlawed the dunking of FTs, BECAUSE it was believed that Wilt was doing just that. Now, whether he did dunk on a 12 ft rim, or dunked his FTs, we really don't know. There ARE articles which claim he did.
We also have an eye-witness account, by a respected sports writer who claimed that he measured Wilt's vertical at 42"...which would then explain the other eye-witness account, by a respected Philadephia sports figure, of Chamberlain touching the top of the backboard. And BTW, there were other NBA players at the time that stated that BOTH Russell and Wilt could accomplish that feat.
The internet is also PLASTERED with Wilt's reported bench press...and most all of them place it at 500+. We also have a TON of eye-witness accounts of extraordinary physical feats. We also have an eye-witness account of Wilt, at age 59, benching 465 lbs. And we have an interview mentioned in Cherry's book on Wilt, with a well-known weight-lifter, who was known to have benched over 500 lbs, claiming that Wilt was the strongest man he ever met.
Finally, we also KNOW these facts:
Wilt scored 100 points in game. He had a season in which he averaged 50 ppg. In fact, he averaged 40 ppg over the course of his first seven years...COMBINED. He also had SIX games of 70+ points; 32 of 60+; 118 of 50+; and 271 of 40+. He had a 55 rebound game (and it came in a game in which he outrebounded Russell, 55-19.) He also had a 41 rebound playoff game (again, against Russell.) He had SEASONS of 27 and 27.2 rpg. He had post-seasons of 29 and 30 rpg. He had SEASONS of .683 and .727 FG%'s. He had the three highest "perfect games" in NBA history (15-15, 16-16, and 18-18.) He made 35 straight FGAs. He had a SEASON in which he LED the NBA in assists. He had TWO entire playoff series in which he averaged a TRIPLE DOUBLE. He had 78 KNOWN triple-doubles. He had the ONLY 20-20-20 triple double in NBA history (22 points, 25 rebounds, and 21 assists.) He had a playoff game of 19 assists. He had a KNOWN QUAD DOUBLE of 24-32-13-12, and that came against Russell. Other than Wilt, there have been 28 30-30 games in NBA history...Wilt had 103 by himself. There have been 61 40-30 games in NBA history,..and Wilt had 55 of them by himself. There have been 30 50-30 games in NBA history, and Wilt has 27 of them (as well as two more in the playoffs.) Wilt has all EIGHT of the 40-40 games in NBA history (and one of them was a 44-43 game against Russell.) And, Wilt has all FIVE of the 50-40 games in NBA history. And, he was so close MANY times of moving up into the next category (for instance, a 62-37 game, or a 45-39 game etc.) Wilt also was credited with having SEASONS of 10+ bpg by noted stats maven Harvey Pollack. Pollack also had Wilt with 25 blocks in one game. And there was a nationally televised game in 1968 in which Wilt RECORDED 23 blocks.
Wilt LED the NBA in scoring SEVEN times. He LED the NBA in FG%, NINE times. He LED the NBA in rebounding, ELEVEN times. He even LED the NBA in assists one season. He also LED the NBA in scoring AND rebounding, at the SAME time, FIVE times. He LED the NBA in scoring AND FG%, at the same time, FOUR times. He LED the NBA in rebounding and FG%, at the same time, EIGHT times. He even LED the NBA in scoring, rebounding, and FG%, at the SAME time, THREE times (as well as leading the NBA in rebounding, FG%, AND assists, at the SAME once.)
He STILL holds some 130+ NBA records, too.
I refuse to believe you actually exist.
senelcoolidge
10-23-2011, 01:47 PM
Dunk or lay-up it's two points. Wilt was a finesse player, but the strongest player on the court at the same time. There are many players that could/can dunk but they don't all the time. What's the big deal..if someone goes for a lay up rather than dunking. Doesn't prove anything. Obviously Wilt would dominate the crummy centers of today's NBA. Wilt being stronger, more skilled, more athletic, and bigger than any of them.
millwad
10-23-2011, 01:52 PM
We all know that Wilt used to dunk his FT's when he was younger and he had an amazing 50 inch vert! We haven't seen it but Jlauber proved this when he posted an article written by some guy..
He was also an amazing outside shooter something Jlauber has proved time after time and which can also be seen in this video where Wilt shoot FT's:
Just look at his amazing technique and he was actually so good and humble as a player and FT-shooter that he he'd shoot his FT's 1 meter behind the FT-line just so no one would be jealous of him.
STOP THE HATE!:cheers:
We all know that Wilt used to dunk his FT's when he was younger and he had an amazing 50 inch vert! We haven't seen it but Jlauber proved this when he posted an article written by some guy..
He was also an amazing outside shooter something Jlauber has proved time after time and which can also be seen in this video where Wilt shoot FT's:
Just look at his amazing technique and he was actually so good and humble as a player and FT-shooter that he he'd shoot his FT's 1 meter behind the FT-line just so no one would be jealous of him.
STOP THE HATE!:cheers:
http://www.behindthebasket.com/storage/post-images/WChamberlain.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=128716 5943082
millwad
10-23-2011, 01:56 PM
You gotta love the various cheap shots at Wilt's vertical in a play not meant to demonstrate it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc02Z4-0wDM
Wow, nice 5 inch vertical, Hakeem.
This move proves how much greater moves Hakeem had than Wilt. The random move against a shorter PF is no where close the move you just posted a la Hakeem's dreamshake. The little fake Wilt did in that video was what Hakeem used to do in his sleep...:bowdown:
jlauber
10-23-2011, 02:08 PM
lol. my 64 year old prof could do better. 64 year old prof>prime wilt
I guess your 64 year old professor would just CRUSH TODAY's NBA then.
PTB Fan
10-23-2011, 02:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv5GrV1GAnA&feature=related
Wilt's head easily at rim level, blocking Oscar's shot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYWlBJQnYJw
An older Wilt still had hops and quickness. Even with a hurt hand easily goes around his man and jams it.
Nice videos :applause:
BlackJoker23
10-23-2011, 02:27 PM
I guess your 64 year old professor would just CRUSH TODAY's NBA then.
he would crush ur brain for sure
jlauber
10-23-2011, 02:28 PM
I refuse to believe you actually exist.
I am really going to lose sleep over this.
PTB Fan
10-23-2011, 02:30 PM
Wilt's move was definitely nice. But he was playing finesse, which was nice, but then again he could have been so much more powerful player.
jlauber
10-23-2011, 02:30 PM
lol. my 64 year old prof could do better. 64 year old prof>prime wilt
BTW, just what class is he instructing you on? Coloring book class?
Psileas
10-23-2011, 02:58 PM
This move proves how much greater moves Hakeem had than Wilt. The random move against a shorter PF is no where close the move you just posted a la Hakeem's dreamshake. The little fake Wilt did in that video was what Hakeem used to do in his sleep...:bowdown:
Regardless of whether Hakeem had better moves (as if this means everything, as if anyone uses seriously this kind of argument when Hakeem gets compared to other big men with less moves, like Shaq or Kareem), this video is as much of a "proof" as it is a proof of Wilt having a higher vertical...
TheAesirsFinest
10-23-2011, 03:49 PM
Great move, but Phila, shouldn't you by now with your google "knowledge" know that the guy's name was Bob Pettit. Did google fail you?
Or it was a typo.
Rake2204
10-23-2011, 08:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv5GrV1GAnA&feature=related
Wilt's head easily at rim level, blocking Oscar's shot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYWlBJQnYJw
An older Wilt still had hops and quickness. Even with a hurt hand easily goes around his man and jams it.
Without getting involved in the Great Wilt Debate, I have to say those are solid clips. There was an All-Star game on NBA TV this summer (could have been that '69 game) where it featured a 30+ Wilt Chamberlain. I thought he may have been 34. Anyhow the manner and ease with which he was still able to spring to the rim and rail certainly got me and my brother's attention.
Scoooter
10-23-2011, 08:16 PM
That was sweet.
D-Wade316
10-23-2011, 09:19 PM
Considering the times he was playing in....dunking with power and force would not have been a good thing for him in the 1960's....what kind of image would that create, a black man bullying white guys?? If he played today, u better believe he'd be looking to take someone's head off.
Yeah. He would regularly break the backboard in his time.
Yeah. He would regularly break the backboard in his time.
So did many people, they didn't reinforce the backboards until Shaq was pulling down one constantly.
People that try and rank Wilt along with anyone that has significant tape on them are hilarious, both sides of this argument is epic fail.
Asukal
10-23-2011, 10:57 PM
This isn't about what Wilt could do. This is just basic logic. Wilt lost his personal opponent, then went for an easy lay-up. No need to push it further in order to dunk.
That's just it, why is there so many footage of Wilt playing like that? What about those claims of his legendary athletic ability? Oh wait, it must be because it was all exaggerated and that Wilt was an exceptional athlete in his own right but not really out of this world as people claim. Check under your bed, the boogeyman might be underneath........ :facepalm :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:
La Frescobaldi
12-05-2011, 03:45 AM
Yeah the old guys that remember Chamberlain on the court mostly don't post at all.
I remember lots of little stuff... Chamberlain detested guys that got into fights during the game. Well there's lots of quotes out there, Lifting Paul Silas up out of a pile and telling him "we'll have no more of that" and Silas saying "yes, sir."
Or Bob Lanier filling out questionnaire, tell us the moment that impressed u the most in the NBA "when Wilt Chamberlain picked me up and moved me like a cup of coffee to get position."
Well this was on tv. Wilt was a Laker, and Walt Hazzard got in a fight with somebody, I don't remember who. So it was like high school, guys in a huddle around em, you know. Right at the free throw line. And just like the principal shows up, Chamberlain THREW Happy Hairston to one side darn near to the bench, shoved a referee out of the way, and grabbed those two guys one by each bicep. And he just frog-walked both of them down the court, their shoulder up around their ear... And he stood under the far basket lookin at those guys til they cooled down!!!
Now on the other hand, Chamberlain would also warn guys off from the paint. If you ever heard him, he had a real deep voice and it could carry seemed like all over the arena. Well the Lakers were down to Chicago maybe 3 or 4 points and it was getting tense, Bob Love tries a layup clean block... Next time down he tried again, clean block. Wilt says "Love, don't come in here no more" and you could hear him in the nosebleeds.
Well next time down there he goes, old Bob Love was good too... clean block right down Love's throat. Looked like he got hit by a truck the way his head snapped back and there was 2 minute timeout.
Well the whole place was buzzin you can bet... But those Bulls were passin to Jerry Sloan in the corner after that!!
PHILA
12-05-2011, 03:50 AM
Chamberlain detested guys that got into fights during the game.
http://i.imgur.com/Dtzd8.jpg
Deuce Bigalow
12-05-2011, 03:55 AM
LOL at putting his height on their
Pettit probably was the tallest defender at the time, and he only weighed 205 pounds
PHILA
12-05-2011, 04:07 AM
LOL at putting his height on their
Pettit probably was the tallest defender at the time, and he only weighed 205 pounds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWyu7DXdo1Y
Tall Tales: The Glory Years of the NBA - Terry Pluto
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jlauber
12-05-2011, 04:43 AM
LOL at putting his height on their
Pettit probably was the tallest defender at the time, and he only weighed 205 pounds
Chamberlain, at the age of 35, in a season in which he shot about 9 times per game, in 71-72, averaged 29 ppg in FIVE H2H games against the 6-11 250 lb. HOFer Bob Lanier, including one of his two 30-30 games that season (31-32.)
Of course, Lanier would be measured at over 7-0 in TODAY's game.
BTW, Wilt had an ENTIRE season against the 6-11 HOFer Walt Bellamy, in which he averaged 55 ppg, including a 73-36 game. Here again, Bellamy would easily be a seven-footer in TODAY's game.
Psileas
12-05-2011, 08:06 AM
That's just it, why is there so many footage of Wilt playing like that? What about those claims of his legendary athletic ability? Oh wait, it must be because it was all exaggerated and that Wilt was an exceptional athlete in his own right but not really out of this world as people claim. Check under your bed, the boogeyman might be underneath........
If you don't consider Wilt an out of this world athlete for a 7-footer who played with 50's-70's technology, I'll ask you to name a couple you do. I definitely won't hold my breath.
LOL at putting his height on their
Pettit probably was the tallest defender at the time, and he only weighed 205 pounds
On "their" what?
Just kidding, I didn't take this post seriously, after all.
Dizzle-2k7
12-05-2011, 08:13 AM
:bowdown:
beautiful touch, balance, grace, agility, and fundamental soundness. how many 7 footers do you see that are that quick and agile? you see how low he got on that move? dude looked like a 6 foot guard.
wilt would toy with the boys of modern nba.
La Frescobaldi
12-07-2011, 10:09 AM
Never saw the guy but they say Walter Dukes was the first real 7 footer, no scorer but terrific defense, averaged about a 10 10 over his career. Dukes was a Piston mostly
Here's a snapshot of Chamberlain's 62 season you can see how Wilt did against Detroit (I have no idea as far as Dukes Wilt matchups, injuries etc.)
●Neutral site games - 19Oct61 New York, NY; 10Dec61 East Chicago, IN; 12Dec61 New York, NY; 29Dec61 Hershey, PA; 17Jan62 Detroit, MI; 19Jan62 Boston, MA; 21Jan62 Utica, NY; 24Jan62 Boston, MA; 26Jan62 Hershey, PA; 2Feb62 Boston, MA; 20Feb62 New York, NY; 2Mar62 Hershey, PA
1961-62 REGULAR SEASON
Date Opp PHI-OPP FG FT-AT PTS Notes
19Oct61 LAL 113-118 21 6-12 48 35 Reb
20Oct61 LAL 122-115 24 9-17 57
21Oct61 NYK 132-95 21 11-17 53
27Oct61 SYR 122-126 21 13-21 55
28Oct61 @SYR 119-115 17 9-14 43
3Nov61 BOS 98-112 12 4-9 28
4Nov61 DET 135-132 24 10-16 58
8Nov61 @DET 132-128 23 12-19 58
9Nov61 SYR 151-108 20 15-27 55
11Nov61 @BOS 125-128 17 7-13 41
14Nov61 @NYK 122-124 13 8-17 34
15Nov61 CIN 145-133 18 7-13 44 O. Robertson 49 Pts
17Nov61 LAL 121-125 24 8-19 56
18Nov61 @SYR 130-148 13 13-20 39
19Nov61 @CHI 122-114 24 3-8 51
21Nov61 @CIN 125-118 20 5-15 45 O. Robertson 18 Ast
23Nov61 BOS 106-119 12 7-12 31
25Nov61 CHI 134-102 15 9-12 39 38 Reb
28Nov61 @STL 121-111 13 13-25 39
1Dec61 @LAL 138-117 22 16-26 60 T. Gola 15 Ast
2Dec61 @LAL 119-129 11 15-26 37
5Dec61 @NYK 122-105 17 5-12 39
6Dec61 STL 132-137 12 15-20 39 B. Pettit 51 Pts
8Dec61 LAL 147-151 31 16-31 78 3OT, 43 Reb, E.Baylor 63 Pts, T. Gola 15 Ast
9Dec61 CHI 135-113 28 5-10 61 36 Reb
10Dec61 ●CHI 118-109 23 9-16 55
12Dec61 ●DET 132-109 22 10-14 54
13Dec61 @BOS 113-123 22 8-8 52
14Dec61 SYR 136-125 17 9-17 43
16Dec61 @CHI 112-110 21 8-12 50 W. Bellamy 45 Pts
19Dec61 @CIN 117-110 24 9-14 57
20Dec61 @DET 117-102 24 7-11 55
25Dec61 @NYK 135-136 23 13-22 59 2OT, 36 Reb
26Dec61 ●SYR 118-111 21 9-14 51
27Dec61 NYK 131-119 20 13-18 53
29Dec61 ●LAL 123-118 24 12-19 60 7th consecutive 50+ Pts
30Dec61 BOS 111-116 17 7-13 41 OT, 14th con. 40+ Pts
1Jan62 @LAL 111-114 13 6-12 32
3Jan62 @LAL 123-124 14 8-12 36 J. West 44 Pts
5Jan62 STL 134-116 20 13-21 53
7Jan62 @STL 112-137 23 9-17 55
9Jan62 SYR 120-129 18 11-21 47
10Jan62 @DET 113-110 15 9-13 39
11Jan62 @CIN 128-145 19 14-24 52 O. Robertson 19 Ast
13Jan52 CHI 135-117 29 15-25 73 36 Reb, G. Rodgers 16 Ast
14Jan62 @BOS 136-145 27 8-11 62
17Jan62 ●STL 136-130 24 14-20 62 OT
18Jan62 CIN 133-151 22 10-16 54 O. Robertson 16 Ast
19Jan62 ●DET 136-125 23 7-10 53
20Jan62 DET 123-107 17 10-14 44
21Jan62 ●SYR 139-132 25 12-17 62 Hal Greer 44 Pts
24Jan62 ●CHI 122-108 23 9-11 55 Walt Bellamy 47 Pts
26Jan62 ●STL 136-110 16 15-19 47
27Jan62 BOS 131-106 21 11-17 53
28Jan62 @BOS 133-129 17 16-22 50
30Jan62 @NYK 110-116 22 11-19 55 R. Guerin 46 Pts
1Feb62 CIN 130-109 22 9-16 53
2Feb62 ●NYK 129-116 12 11-19 35
3Feb62 @SYR 112-134 15 11-14 41
4Feb62 SYR 128-117 19 12-18 50
8Feb62 @NYK 136-120 23 13-19 59 Sets season scoring record
9Feb62 @BOS 126-124 15 18-23 48
10Feb62 BOS 107-106 16 6-12 38
11Feb62 @NYK 121-111 18 6-13 42
13Feb62 @CIN 136-132 18 12-17 48 O. Robertson 42 Pts, 18 Ast
17Feb62 @STL 121-128 26 15-20 67
20Feb62 ●CHI 112-107 21 6-8 48 W. Bellamy 44 Pts
21Feb62 @SYR 109-150 19 8-17 46
22Feb62 STL 139-121 21 19-34 61 65th consecutive 30+ Pts
24Feb62 BOS 86-109 11 4-13 26
25Feb62 NYK 135-149 25 17-22 67 R. Guerin 50 Pts
27Feb62 @STL 147-137 25 15-20 65 B. Pettit 49 Pts
28Feb62 @CHI 128-119 24 13-17 61
2Mar62 ●NYK 169-147 36 28-32 100 NBA scoring record, 35 Reb
4Mar62 @NYK 129-129 24 10-16 58
7Mar62 @BOS 102-153 13 4-12 30
11Mar62 @SYR 130-148 19 6-18 44
14Mar62 @CHI 119-115 15 5-6 34 OT
1962 PLAYOFFS
Date Opp PHI-OPP FG FT-AT PTS Notes
16Mar62 SYR 110-103 11 10-12 32 P. Arizin 43 Pts
18Mar62 @SYR 97-82 12 4-7 28
19Mar62 SYR 100-101 18 4-7 40
20Mar62 @SYR 99-106 11 7-11 29
22Mar62 SYR 121-104 22 12-22 56
24Mar62 @BOS 89-117 13 7-12 33
27Mar62 BOS 113-106 16 10-17 42
28Mar62 @BOS 114-129 14 7-12 35
31Mar62 BOS 110-106 15 11-22 41
1Apr62 @BOS 104-119 11 8-9 30
3Apr62 BOS 109-99 12 8-10 32
5Apr62 @BOS 107-109 7 8-9 22
1962 NBA ALL-STAR GAME AT ST. LOUIS, MO
Date Site East-West FG FT-AT PTS Notes
16Jan62 STL 130-150 17 8-16 42 24 Reb, All-Star scoring record; B. Pettit, MVP
Looks like he did ok against a 7 footer.........
Kind of tore up the league record book that year......
NBA RECORDS SET BY CHAMBERLAIN
Most Points, Game - 100 vs. NYK 2Mar62
Most Field Goal Attempts, Game - 63 vs. NYK 2Mar62
Most Field Goals Made, Game - 36 vs. NYK 2Mar62
Most Free Throw Attempts, Game - 34 vs. STL 22Feb62
Most Free Throws Made, Game - 28 vs. NYK 2Mar62
Most Points Scored, Season - 4,029
Highest Scoring Average, Season - 50.4 PPG
Most Field Goal Attempts, Season - 3,159
Most Field Goals Made, Season - 1,597
Most Free Throws Attempted, Season - 1,363
Most Free Throws Made, Season - 835
Most Rebounds, Season - 2,052
Most Minutes Played, Season - 3,882
Most Average Minutes, Season - 48.5
That stuff is from APBR website and according to some reply posts on there may not be 100% accurate....
http://www.apbr.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2426
Pointguard
12-07-2011, 02:30 PM
Never saw the guy but they say Walter Dukes was the first real 7 footer, no scorer but terrific defense, averaged about a 10 10 over his career. Dukes was a Piston mostly
Here's a snapshot of Chamberlain's 62 season you can see how Wilt did against Detroit (I have no idea as far as Dukes Wilt matchups, injuries etc.)
●Neutral site games - 19Oct61 New York, NY; 10Dec61 East Chicago, IN; 12Dec61 New York, NY; 29Dec61 Hershey, PA; 17Jan62 Detroit, MI; 19Jan62 Boston, MA; 21Jan62 Utica, NY; 24Jan62 Boston, MA; 26Jan62 Hershey, PA; 2Feb62 Boston, MA; 20Feb62 New York, NY; 2Mar62 Hershey, PA
1961-62 REGULAR SEASON
Date Opp PHI-OPP FG FT-AT PTS Notes
19Oct61 LAL 113-118 21 6-12 48 35 Reb
20Oct61 LAL 122-115 24 9-17 57
21Oct61 NYK 132-95 21 11-17 53
27Oct61 SYR 122-126 21 13-21 55
28Oct61 @SYR 119-115 17 9-14 43
3Nov61 BOS 98-112 12 4-9 28
4Nov61 DET 135-132 24 10-16 58
8Nov61 @DET 132-128 23 12-19 58
9Nov61 SYR 151-108 20 15-27 55
11Nov61 @BOS 125-128 17 7-13 41
14Nov61 @NYK 122-124 13 8-17 34
15Nov61 CIN 145-133 18 7-13 44 O. Robertson 49 Pts
17Nov61 LAL 121-125 24 8-19 56
18Nov61 @SYR 130-148 13 13-20 39
19Nov61 @CHI 122-114 24 3-8 51
21Nov61 @CIN 125-118 20 5-15 45 O. Robertson 18 Ast
23Nov61 BOS 106-119 12 7-12 31
25Nov61 CHI 134-102 15 9-12 39 38 Reb
28Nov61 @STL 121-111 13 13-25 39
1Dec61 @LAL 138-117 22 16-26 60 T. Gola 15 Ast
2Dec61 @LAL 119-129 11 15-26 37
5Dec61 @NYK 122-105 17 5-12 39
6Dec61 STL 132-137 12 15-20 39 B. Pettit 51 Pts
8Dec61 LAL 147-151 31 16-31 78 3OT, 43 Reb, E.Baylor 63 Pts, T. Gola 15 Ast
9Dec61 CHI 135-113 28 5-10 61 36 Reb
10Dec61 ●CHI 118-109 23 9-16 55
12Dec61 ●DET 132-109 22 10-14 54
13Dec61 @BOS 113-123 22 8-8 52
14Dec61 SYR 136-125 17 9-17 43
16Dec61 @CHI 112-110 21 8-12 50 W. Bellamy 45 Pts
19Dec61 @CIN 117-110 24 9-14 57
20Dec61 @DET 117-102 24 7-11 55
25Dec61 @NYK 135-136 23 13-22 59 2OT, 36 Reb
26Dec61 ●SYR 118-111 21 9-14 51
27Dec61 NYK 131-119 20 13-18 53
29Dec61 ●LAL 123-118 24 12-19 60 7th consecutive 50+ Pts
30Dec61 BOS 111-116 17 7-13 41 OT, 14th con. 40+ Pts
1Jan62 @LAL 111-114 13 6-12 32
3Jan62 @LAL 123-124 14 8-12 36 J. West 44 Pts
5Jan62 STL 134-116 20 13-21 53
7Jan62 @STL 112-137 23 9-17 55
9Jan62 SYR 120-129 18 11-21 47
10Jan62 @DET 113-110 15 9-13 39
11Jan62 @CIN 128-145 19 14-24 52 O. Robertson 19 Ast
13Jan52 CHI 135-117 29 15-25 73 36 Reb, G. Rodgers 16 Ast
14Jan62 @BOS 136-145 27 8-11 62
17Jan62 ●STL 136-130 24 14-20 62 OT
18Jan62 CIN 133-151 22 10-16 54 O. Robertson 16 Ast
19Jan62 ●DET 136-125 23 7-10 53
20Jan62 DET 123-107 17 10-14 44
21Jan62 ●SYR 139-132 25 12-17 62 Hal Greer 44 Pts
24Jan62 ●CHI 122-108 23 9-11 55 Walt Bellamy 47 Pts
26Jan62 ●STL 136-110 16 15-19 47
27Jan62 BOS 131-106 21 11-17 53
28Jan62 @BOS 133-129 17 16-22 50
30Jan62 @NYK 110-116 22 11-19 55 R. Guerin 46 Pts
1Feb62 CIN 130-109 22 9-16 53
2Feb62 ●NYK 129-116 12 11-19 35
3Feb62 @SYR 112-134 15 11-14 41
4Feb62 SYR 128-117 19 12-18 50
8Feb62 @NYK 136-120 23 13-19 59 Sets season scoring record
9Feb62 @BOS 126-124 15 18-23 48
10Feb62 BOS 107-106 16 6-12 38
11Feb62 @NYK 121-111 18 6-13 42
13Feb62 @CIN 136-132 18 12-17 48 O. Robertson 42 Pts, 18 Ast
17Feb62 @STL 121-128 26 15-20 67
20Feb62 ●CHI 112-107 21 6-8 48 W. Bellamy 44 Pts
21Feb62 @SYR 109-150 19 8-17 46
22Feb62 STL 139-121 21 19-34 61 65th consecutive 30+ Pts
24Feb62 BOS 86-109 11 4-13 26
25Feb62 NYK 135-149 25 17-22 67 R. Guerin 50 Pts
27Feb62 @STL 147-137 25 15-20 65 B. Pettit 49 Pts
28Feb62 @CHI 128-119 24 13-17 61
2Mar62 ●NYK 169-147 36 28-32 100 NBA scoring record, 35 Reb
4Mar62 @NYK 129-129 24 10-16 58
7Mar62 @BOS 102-153 13 4-12 30
11Mar62 @SYR 130-148 19 6-18 44
14Mar62 @CHI 119-115 15 5-6 34 OT
1962 PLAYOFFS
Date Opp PHI-OPP FG FT-AT PTS Notes
16Mar62 SYR 110-103 11 10-12 32 P. Arizin 43 Pts
18Mar62 @SYR 97-82 12 4-7 28
19Mar62 SYR 100-101 18 4-7 40
20Mar62 @SYR 99-106 11 7-11 29
22Mar62 SYR 121-104 22 12-22 56
24Mar62 @BOS 89-117 13 7-12 33
27Mar62 BOS 113-106 16 10-17 42
28Mar62 @BOS 114-129 14 7-12 35
31Mar62 BOS 110-106 15 11-22 41
1Apr62 @BOS 104-119 11 8-9 30
3Apr62 BOS 109-99 12 8-10 32
5Apr62 @BOS 107-109 7 8-9 22
1962 NBA ALL-STAR GAME AT ST. LOUIS, MO
Date Site East-West FG FT-AT PTS Notes
16Jan62 STL 130-150 17 8-16 42 24 Reb, All-Star scoring record; B. Pettit, MVP
Looks like he did ok against a 7 footer.........
Kind of tore up the league record book that year......
NBA RECORDS SET BY CHAMBERLAIN
Most Points, Game - 100 vs. NYK 2Mar62
Most Field Goal Attempts, Game - 63 vs. NYK 2Mar62
Most Field Goals Made, Game - 36 vs. NYK 2Mar62
Most Free Throw Attempts, Game - 34 vs. STL 22Feb62
Most Free Throws Made, Game - 28 vs. NYK 2Mar62
Most Points Scored, Season - 4,029
Highest Scoring Average, Season - 50.4 PPG
Most Field Goal Attempts, Season - 3,159
Most Field Goals Made, Season - 1,597
Most Free Throws Attempted, Season - 1,363
Most Free Throws Made, Season - 835
Most Rebounds, Season - 2,052
Most Minutes Played, Season - 3,882
Most Average Minutes, Season - 48.5
That stuff is from APBR website and according to some reply posts on there may not be 100% accurate....
http://www.apbr.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2426
I saw that he missed a 65point game and somebody caught it, but its a heck of a compilation and great starting point. Assuming all else is right Wilt had 44 games above 50 and points that average out to 59ppg. Which puts a spin on the Elgin Baylor arguments here - Wilt would have still have a 20ppg average lead on Baylor too if Wilt played part time like Baylor did. Amazingly, it comes out just about right, tho it isn't a direct correlation because of factors of rest, having a hot spell, etc. Baylor played 48 games that year.
There would be 27 games of 55 or more points. 11games of 60 or more if you include the 65 point game he missed. Wilt had his strongest streak of 5 games at 70ppg about a week before the end of the season. For those who missed the incredible endurance factor:
I counted seven triple b2b (one time six games in seven nights Dec 8 to 14), two quadruple b2b and one pentruple (five b2b if pentruple isn't a word) there is no double counting the b2b either. In the pentruple no two games were played in the same arena consecutively. Amazingly the same is true for both quadruple b2b's as well. So it meant Wilt spent at least half those nights on beds way to small for him. A good many of the b2bs were also in nuetral sites that very likely didn't have proper heating and up to par facilities. Keep in mind that they didn't have stretching as a pregame ritual. his streak of 65 consecutive games above 30 points covered all the b2bs.
Pointguard
12-07-2011, 02:31 PM
Never saw the guy but they say Walter Dukes was the first real 7 footer, no scorer but terrific defense, averaged about a 10 10 over his career. Dukes was a Piston mostly
NBA RECORDS SET BY CHAMBERLAIN
Most Points, Game - 100 vs. NYK 2Mar62
Most Field Goal Attempts, Game - 63 vs. NYK 2Mar62
Most Field Goals Made, Game - 36 vs. NYK 2Mar62
Most Free Throw Attempts, Game - 34 vs. STL 22Feb62
Most Free Throws Made, Game - 28 vs. NYK 2Mar62
Most Points Scored, Season - 4,029
Highest Scoring Average, Season - 50.4 PPG
Most Field Goal Attempts, Season - 3,159
Most Field Goals Made, Season - 1,597
Most Free Throws Attempted, Season - 1,363
Most Free Throws Made, Season - 835
Most Rebounds, Season - 2,052
Most Minutes Played, Season - 3,882
Most Average Minutes, Season - 48.5
That stuff is from APBR website and according to some reply posts on there may not be 100% accurate....
http://www.apbr.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2426
Great post, thanks.
La Frescobaldi
12-08-2011, 12:55 AM
Can you imagine 65 30s in a row??
My buddies used to say the other coaches musta paid Hannum off to get Wilt to stop scoring so much!!
I have often thought the heart condition scare in 1964 is why Chamberlain's numbers dropped off. That had to shake a guy up
andgar923
12-08-2011, 02:14 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHAJjP6e6pg
I hate to sound like a whiner or hater, but how was that impressive?
Legends66NBA7
12-08-2011, 02:21 AM
I hate to sound like a whiner or hater, but how was that impressive?
It was impressive for that time. Nobody had seen move like that before.
I guess you have to apply yourself and mind to that lifetime.
It was an up and under down with 1 hand.....cool?
andgar923
12-08-2011, 02:35 AM
It was impressive for that time. Nobody had seen move like that before.
I guess you have to apply yourself and mind to that lifetime.
I guess, but I don't even see it as an up and under or a specific post move. Oh well... I guess I'm wrong on this one.
PHILA
12-08-2011, 02:40 AM
I hate to sound like a whiner or hater, but how was that impressive?
This is a more impressive display of his 7'8 wingspan, even as a 6'11 school boy at Overbrook. :applause:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpufnh4fmRk#t=2m20s
"He does not merely dominate games. His achievements shatter previous concepts of stardom."
Legends66NBA7
12-08-2011, 02:45 AM
I guess, but I don't even see it as an up and under or a specific post move. Oh well... I guess I'm wrong on this one.
I'll give you an example, though it may seem a bit bizarre (hope It makes sense to you):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxeLacGat-c
That's the first horror movie ever made. Why?
Not a lot of people watched movies before, so they expected the real thing to come through the screen. It was something to marvel and be of awe.
For that time, seeing Wilt completely lift his defender up from his feet (since Pettit thought he was going to shoot) and going for the jam, it was something to marvel and be of awe.
Revolutionary things, I suppose.
It's okay no worries, just thought I could explain it better... hope it helped.
andgar923
12-08-2011, 02:53 AM
I'll give you an example, though it may seem a bit bizarre (hope It makes sense to you):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxeLacGat-c
That's the first horror movie ever made. Why?
Not a lot of people watched movies before, so they expected the real thing to come through the screen. It was something to marvel and be of awe.
For that time, seeing Wilt completely lift his defender up from his feet (since Pettit thought he was going to shoot) and going for the jam, it was something to marvel and be of awe.
Revolutionary things, I suppose.
It's okay no worries, just thought I could explain it better... hope it helped.
I understand the way revolutionary things work. But I just see it as a taller player putting the ball over a smaller one.
But as I mentioned, I guess it's just me.
As to whether or not that was the first type of move, I'm sure Mikan did that against shorter players. Shit... I honestly think I saw Herman Munster do something very similar in a Munsters episode (without the dunk of course).
Oh well.... I'll be the dumbass on this one.
Legends66NBA7
12-08-2011, 02:56 AM
I understand the way revolutionary things work. But I just see it as a taller player putting the ball over a smaller one.
But as I mentioned, I guess it's just me.
As to whether or not that was the first type of move, I'm sure Mikan did that against shorter players. Shit... I honestly think I saw Herman Munster do something very similar in a Munsters episode (without the dunk of course).
Oh well.... I'll be the dumbass on this one.
Meh, it's all good man. :cheers:
ShaqAttack3234
12-08-2011, 03:15 AM
I saw that he missed a 65point game and somebody caught it, but its a heck of a compilation and great starting point. Assuming all else is right Wilt had 44 games above 50 and points that average out to 59ppg. Which puts a spin on the Elgin Baylor arguments here - Wilt would have still have a 20ppg average lead on Baylor too if Wilt played part time like Baylor did. Amazingly, it comes out just about right, tho it isn't a direct correlation because of factors of rest, having a hot spell, etc. Baylor played 48 games that year
No, because that's handpicking Wilt's highest scoring games and taking out the lower scoring games. In Baylor's 48 games we're including every game he had, both good and bad. We have no idea what Wilt would have done playing part time. Why would that mean Wilt wouldn't have any bad games(not that every single 50 point game he had was necessarily a good game)?
Why people think Baylor's situation was easier is something I'll also never understand. He wasn't just taking games off because he felt like it.
The team started off 31-11 with Baylor, then he had to leave the team due to his military obligations in early January.
He got a pass to play 3 games and on January 24th after not playing since January 1st, he had 38 points and 19 rebounds in a win over the Royals. The following night, he had 39 in another win over the Royals. And in the final of the 3 games from that pass, he had 36 points and 23 rebounds in a win over the Packers.
He got a one day pass to play the Celtics on February 18th and he again scored 38 points in a 125-99 win.
He got to play vs Detroit on February 25th as well and he had 45 points and 20 rebounds in a 128-99 win.
Baylor played his final game on March 12th vs the Knicks and he scored 37 in yet another win.
Amazing that every time he returned he'd score around his average and the Lakers would win.
Not only that, but in 13 playoff games, he averaged 38.6 ppg. So that's 61 games with him averaging 38+ ppg. And this clearly had an impact on the team as the Lakers were a 37-11 team that came painfully close to beating the Celtics with him, and a 17-15 team without him.
His playoff average was better than Wilt's actually, and so was his scoring average vs the Celtics who Wilt also faced that year in a 7 game series.
Pointguard
12-08-2011, 04:22 AM
No, because that's handpicking Wilt's highest scoring games and taking out the lower scoring games. In Baylor's 48 games we're including every game he had, both good and bad. We have no idea what Wilt would have done playing part time. Why would that mean Wilt wouldn't have any bad games(not that every single 50 point game he had was necessarily a good game)?
Why people think Baylor's situation was easier is something I'll also never understand. He wasn't just taking games off because he felt like it.
The team started off 31-11 with Baylor, then he had to leave the team due to his military obligations in early January.
He got a pass to play 3 games and on January 24th after not playing since January 1st, he had 38 points and 19 rebounds in a win over the Royals. The following night, he had 39 in another win over the Royals. And in the final of the 3 games from that pass, he had 36 points and 23 rebounds in a win over the Packers.
He got a one day pass to play the Celtics on February 18th and he again scored 38 points in a 125-99 win.
He got to play vs Detroit on February 25th as well and he had 45 points and 20 rebounds in a 128-99 win.
Baylor played his final game on March 12th vs the Knicks and he scored 37 in yet another win.
Amazing that every time he returned he'd score around his average and the Lakers would win.
Not only that, but in 13 playoff games, he averaged 38.6 ppg. So that's 61 games with him averaging 38+ ppg. And this clearly had an impact on the team as the Lakers were a 37-11 team that came painfully close to beating the Celtics with him, and a 17-15 team without him.
His playoff average was better than Wilt's actually, and so was his scoring average vs the Celtics who Wilt also faced that year in a 7 game series.
Russell was guarding Baylor???
Part time is part time. Its a different reality. You don't battle attrition the same way and you can be really gassed up to play when you get a chance to. You are fresher when you play. Players hit a rookie wall when they play like their 40th - 50th game. If they don't play full time, they don't hit the wall. Its that simple. They fouled Chamberlain like crazy. If Wilt fully recupes after every two games he's going to score more. Basketball is more like work when you are in the grind everyday. You have to scheme on when you plant your rest and when you know you can't.
It should not be counted as the highest scoring season not by Wilt under any measure. Could you imagine how all out Jordan and Wilt could go if they played part time? Wilt for that matter. How fresh they would be for the playoffs as well. You say you have to factor in the bad games, there wouldn't be any bad games. Heck, Wilt fresh every game that year would be 55/30/12blocks. The blocks and rebounds wouldn't be stopped. In the later years, like 67 Wilt realistically would have a shot at a triple double season with 7 assist a game if he was a fresh weekend player for a whole season.
Hey Baylor had a great run in the playoffs doesn't matter - it has nothing to do with him qualifying for the scoring race. They won a lot when he played, doesn't matter it has nothing to do with him qualifying. He played differently than everybody else did and doesn't and shouldn't qualify. The funny thing is that folks will bend over backwards to disparage Wilts accomplishments while at the same time break the rules for his contemporaries to look better.
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