Blasphemy Thread..How many of you think Russell > Shaq seriously?

[rodman91]

http://img.printstown.com/sportingnews/1999_03_01_RUSSELL_SHAQ_LARGE.JPG

Almost in everyone's list Russell > Shaq. Do you really think Russell was really better than Shaq?

Do you really think Russell's achivements make him better than Shaq? or he was simply superior player?

[RRR3]

I have Shaq over Russell on my GOAT list, at least at the moment. That's just me, though.

[Odinn]

Bill Russell is the greatest champion of NBA History.

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[RRR3]

Bill Russell is the greatest champion of NBA History.

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Phil Jackson.

[swi7ch]

No offense to Mr. Russell but he would get injured if he tried to guard Shaq.

[Deuce Bigalow]

What Russell did in his era was win 11 championships in 13 seasons
Shaq was very dominating in his era, but Russell dominated his era more

[rodman91]

Bill Russell is the greatest champion of NBA History.

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GOAT for you?

[Rnbizzle]

What Russell did in his era was win 11 championships in 13 seasons
Shaq was very dominating in his era, but Russell dominated his era more
Then why is MJ usually rated over him though, cuz MJ and Shaqs record are pretty similar, at least, when you're comparing them to Russell.

[jlauber]

If this would be allowed, Russell would have no chance...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ3FXLyNFew

[alwaysunny]

Some people just don't get it. Just because Russell is ahead of Shaq doesn't mean he's a better player if you put them in the same court. That's why people consider factors like competitions during that time when comparing players from different eras.

If I played in 50,000 B.C. era playing against bunch of monkeys putting 60/30/10 while winning 20 championships out of 20 years, I should be considered better than Shaq. If Russell had a time machine to play against prime Shaq in 2000 however, I think Shaq would destroy him.

[RRR3]

If this would be allowed, Russell would have no chance...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ3FXLyNFew
No one would have a chance. Guarding Prime Shaq was like guarding a ****ing tank.

[Deuce Bigalow]

If this would be allowed, Russell would have no chance...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ3FXLyNFew

neither would Wilt

[Deuce Bigalow]

Some people just don't get it. Just because Russell is ahead of Shaq doesn't mean he's a better player if you put them in the same court. That's why people consider factors like competitions during that time when comparing players from different eras.

If I played in 50,000 B.C. era playing against bunch of monkeys putting 60/30/10 while winning 20 championships out of 20 years, I should be considered better than Shaq. If Russell had a time machine to play against prime Shaq in 2000 however, I think Shaq would destroy him.

agreed :applause:

[ballup]

Phil Jackson.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qlMj0xczf9s/TVXj979zqgI/AAAAAAAAGGE/AeHTs31TC64/s1600/Bill+Russell+and+Red+Auerbach.jpg

[jlauber]

neither would Wilt

Maybe, maybe not. As PHILA pointed out, Chamberlain actually came into camp in the mid-60's at 320 lbs. And a Wilt in the early 70's was probably the strongest NBA player ever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_career_achievements_by_Wilt_Chamberlain


However, contemporary colleagues were often terrified to play against Chamberlain. Bill Russell regularly feared being embarrassed by Chamberlain,[3] Walt Frazier called his dominance on the court “comical”,[17] and when 6 ft 11 in 250-pound (in his early years)[18] Hall-of-Fame center Bob Lanier was asked about the most memorable moment of his career, Lanier answered: “When Wilt Chamberlain lifted me up and moved me like a coffee cup so he could get a favorable position.”[2

[Odinn]

GOAT for you?
GOAT champion.

GOAT player is a different thing. In GOAT players list, I rank him at #3/4.

[Harison]

Russell's accolades >>>>>> Shaq's. Russ dominated his era more than Shaq.

Even if we could draft them today, knowing what each is capable of... I'm picking Russell. Why?

1. Shaq is as dominant in offense as Rus is in defense, its a draw. I understand most fans would prefer offense over defense, however defense is what wins championships more often than not.

2. Pure team player and leader >>> egocentric primadona.

3. Russell Loyal and dedicated >>> Shaq

4. Russell Better rebounder and passer >>> Shaq

5. Russell Super Clutch >>> ....

Its not a hard choice. Sure I could win few championships with Shaq... but I could win way more with Russell.

[AlphaWolf24]

Some people just don't get it. Just because Russell is ahead of Shaq doesn't mean he's a better player if you put them in the same court. That's why people consider factors like competitions during that time when comparing players from different eras.

If I played in 50,000 B.C. era playing against bunch of monkeys putting 60/30/10 while winning 20 championships out of 20 years, I should be considered better than Shaq. If Russell had a time machine to play against prime Shaq in 2000 however, I think Shaq would destroy him.


yep....ALI was garbage because he fought along time ago....

Jim Brown really sucks and is not really top 5 RB's of alltime....because he played along time ago..

Willie Mays was a pretty average ball player because he played along time ago...:lol


your basketball math sucks...





next

[Math2]

http://img.printstown.com/sportingnews/1999_03_01_RUSSELL_SHAQ_LARGE.JPG

Almost in everyone's list Russell > Shaq. Do you really think Russell was really better than Shaq?

Do you really think Russell's achivements make him better than Shaq? or he was simply superior player?

Both.

[catch24]

Russell was the foundation of 11 championship teams for one. His rebounding, defense and court-speed were that backbone of the Celtics play. The guy has 5 MVP's, and 12 allstar appearances, so it's not JUST team accomplishments that dictate his place all-time. He did one thing better than any basketball player: win--which included being the player-coach (after Auerbach stepped down) of his teams last 2 championships.

His intangibles are only rivaled by Jordan imo.

[rodman91]

60's basketball
8 teams.
Overrated stats.

50 ppg for a season.
over 25 rpg seasons.
Center was an assist leader.
30 10 10 Rookie.

Russel's career: 15.1 ppg (%44) 22.5 rpg in 42 mpg

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Russell might have chance at being best player of his Era. He might even be a good to great player in modern eras.

But Shaq wasn't some ordinary center.

Probably most dominant player of NBA history.

He was scoring twice as much as Russell in 00's basketball.Almost %60 seasons in prime.He played 6 more seasons in modern times and still had 23.7 ppg with 58% in 35 mpg.

He was top rebounder (his TRB% is same level with Russell & Wilt), one of the best blockers in 00's basketball. He won 4 championship..He had best finals with Jordan.

He was the leader of Laker's dynasty in 00's. Also he had good run with Heat. Despite his absurd character off court he was a good leader on court.

[D-Wade316]

neither would Wilt
Wilt was physically stronger than Shaq in their prime.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Wilt was physically stronger than Shaq in their prime.

Shaq is stronger and bigger
and has 25-50 more pounds on him

[rodman91]

Shaq is stronger and bigger
and has 25-50 more pounds on him

More pounds don't equal being stronger though.

[Deuce Bigalow]

More pounds don't equal being stronger though.

Shaq looks stronger to me, and 50 pounds is a big difference

[DevilsAssassin]

Joel Anthony > Bill Russell

real talks bro

[D-Wade316]

Shaq is stronger and bigger
and has 25-50 more pounds on him
According to his peers, Wilt was 7-2. Wilt could bench press 400lbs+.

What physical feats does Shaq have over Wilt?

[Deuce Bigalow]

According to his peers, Wilt was 7-2. Wilt could bench press 400lbs+.

What physical feats does Shaq have over Wilt?

post their pics

[D-Wade316]

post their pics
You need to reread rodman91's post.

[jbryan1984]

Shaq is GOAT center imo. That said though, I was not alive when Russell played. I can only go by what I read or saw on video. Different eras, so it is really hard to compare. Same with Wilt. Its hard to believe the numbers Wilt averaged when you go to a stats site but then again, he may have been a superstar playing in a league with a hand full of other superstars and a lot of scrubs.

[rodman91]

According to his peers, Wilt was 7-2. Wilt could bench press 400lbs+.

What physical feats does Shaq have over Wilt?

I guess Shaq had 450lbs.

He is as tall as Wilt and also with bigger body.

But none of them means stronger.Even bench pressing doesn't equal being stronger.

Ben Wallace had better bench pressing than Shaq. He was strong like a bull but not like a Shaq.

[Collie]

As a player? probably not. But his accomplishments and the praise he earned from his peers and the people who saw him (a big factor for greatness in my book) make me put him over Shaq in the all-time list.

It's like a Ferrari 599 GTB, which is faster, more efficient, more comfortable - heck, just all around better than the 1963 Ferrari 250 GTO. But I'd GUARANTEE you that you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who considers the 599 GTB as a greater car.

[D-Wade316]

I guess Shaq had 450lbs.

He is as tall as Wilt and also with bigger body.
Wilt was capable of lifting 500+, to be exact. Wilt was also faster, quicker, and more durable than Shaq.

[PHILA]

post their pics

In the first photo below we can see him performing the "Dirk fade away" shot vs. Thurmond.


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[D.J.]

Russell won 11 titles and was the defensive anchor on arguably the best team in NBA history. That's why he's above Shaq.

[HylianNightmare]

no

[pauk]

*raises hand up*

russell > shaq (in terms of career)

but as players i would take shaq any day over russell... just much more dominant-talented i think

[rodman91]

Russell won 11 titles and was the defensive anchor on arguably the best team in NBA history. That's why he's above Shaq.

There was only 8 team. 1/8 chance every year. Add that some of best players of 60's he played with..its not as difficult as to accomplish like in modern basketball.

Shaq was both offensive & defensive anchor in his teams.Except pick and roll defensive, he was great defender in his prime. Offense? He doubles Russell with much better %.

15 ppg with 44% in 42 minutes. In 60's basketball.

Those are Ben Wallace like numbers in 60's.

Ben Wallace was defensive anchor his successful teams and 4 time DPOY.. He won a title.

With same logic,he should be considered better than Ewing? No MVPs, no titles, no DPOY. I mean Ben Wallace had offense but greater rebounder and defender than Ewing..and got a ring, right?

Russell was one of the greatest player of his time.All time great as overall but putting him over Shaq as better player is believing myths.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Those are Ben Wallace like numbers in 60's.

Ben Wallace couldn't score that much even if he had Wilt Chamberlain as his wingman.

[Blue&Orange]

If this would be allowed, Russell would have no chance...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ3FXLyNFew
I always shake my head in disgust seeing that video. I have no problem with players flopping left and right if they are taking 1\3 of the abuse Mutombo did in that series.

[Lebron23]

I always shake my head in disgust seeing that video. I have no problem with players flopping left and right if they are taking 1\3 of the abuse Mutombo did in that series.


Shaq just copied the moves of Dikembe Mutombo. What goes around come around.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1015323/index.htm

[rodman91]

I always shake my head in disgust seeing that video. I have no problem with players flopping left and right if they are taking 1\3 of the abuse Mutombo did in that series.

Karma is a bitch.:lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAt2B2iiKiQ

[G.O.A.T]

The case for Russell takes time to understand but once you allow yourself that time and open mindedness it's pretty easy to see.

The gist of it, Seven Reasons Why Russell is G.O.A.T.:

1) Greatest Defensive Player Ever by Wide Margin - Russell was the best defensive player in his era by a wide margin. If the league selected a defensive player of the year during his career Russell would have won no fewer than nine, likely he'd have 11 or 12, either way more than double what any player before or since would have garnered. So essentially he was the greatest defensive player ever, relative to his competition, by an enormous margin.

2) Catalyst and Anchor of greatest defensive team ever - His teams were the best defensive teams statistically (based on points per possession allowed) and were so by a wider margin over the field than any other team in NBA history. Russell gets almost all the credit for this from his coach, teammates and opponents. Oscar Robertson piloted the best offensives of that era and won nothing, the Lakers were close behind, also no titles. The Celtics were consistently below average on offense during Russell's years, but they were still closer to the best teams in the league than anyone was to them defensively.

3) Causation/Correlation of Russell's presence - The Celtics won their first title in Russell's rookie year after being eliminated in the first round the year before and won their 11th in 13 seasons in his final year. The next season they finished in last place. This shows a direct correlation between their winning and Russell's presence. Every other player, the coach, the owner etc. all changed during Bill's 13 years, but as long as he was there the Celtics kept winning. They added no all-star free agents or top five draft picks post-Russell. The only player they drafted after 1959 that made an all-star team was Hondo.

4) Inverse Era Argument - Despite playing in an era with a much more demanding schedule, worse equipment, harder floors, far worse traveling conditions, no team trainer often let alone nutritional staff, strength coach etc. etc. etc. Russell stayed healthier than any of the other all-time great centers. His only major injury (that he didn't play through) was in 1958 and cost the Celtics a title. When you have a star player like Russell you build your team around him and his strengths, when he goes down, the teams is usually in major trouble. With Russell this was never a concern.

5) Mental Toughness - A lot of franchise struggle to keep winning after they get a title or two because individual players get greedy or lose motivation. Russell never allowed that to happen to himself or his teammates. Russell not only won a title as a player coach, but was the first African American coach in all of American team sports. Carrying that burden and still winning two titles in three years without ever having the best record in his division shows just how mentally strong Russell was. Every other great center has had a mental lapse that cost his team with far, far, far less pressure on him. Russell was unflappable.

6) Capable of dominating on offense - While it's typically said that Russell was an average or worse offensive player (and that's wrong btw) there is a lot of evidence of him dominating games and series on offense. He's averaged over 20 ppg for series, scored 30 in game seven of the NBA finals. Had multiple triple-doubles (with assists not blocks) in the NBA playoffs. Shot over 60% from the field for a finals series and on and on and on. Point is that some players like Shaq, Magic, Bird were some of the greatest offensive players of all-time they could not dominate games on defensive very often if at all. (Shaq did for a brief span from 2000-2001) Russell, easily as good and probably a better defensive player than any of them are offensively, could dominate on offense and consistently did when the situation called for it.

7) Undefeated in Game Sevens (And game five of five game series) - 10-0. It's not like the Celtics were steamrolling the competition. Of the 27 series Russell's teams won during his career, 12 came down to the last game. 17 went at least 6 of 7 games (or 5 of 5) and only three times did the Celtics record a sweep. Jordan's Bulls won 10 of their 32 series by sweep during the six title runs. Thew showtime Lakers swept 12 series during the 80's. Point being it was never easy for the Celtics. They consistently played teams that pushed them to the edge and as long as they had Russell once they got there, they always won.

[OmniStrife]

According to his peers, Wilt was 7-2. Wilt could bench press 400lbs+.



I guess he could also use his 30" **** as a jumping rope
and tame Bengal tigers just by staring at them. :facepalm

How I hate these bullshit super-Wilt stories.

[miamiandorlando]

not i

[Arroyo8]

I guess Shaq had 450lbs.

He is as tall as Wilt and also with bigger body.

But none of them means stronger.Even bench pressing doesn't equal being stronger.

Ben Wallace had better bench pressing than Shaq. He was strong like a bull but not like a Shaq.


QFT:rockon:

[JohnnySic]

Anyone who thinks Wilt was as strong as Shaq (not necessarily weight-room strength, just brute strength applicable to the basketball court) is nuts. I mean, c'mon...

[MiseryCityTexas]

A prime Bill Russell's ceiling if he played in today's era would probably be similar to a much better version of Ben Wallace.

[DCL]

if i had a machine that could make the most beastly monster basketball player, prime shaq would probably come out of that machine. dude was unreal. made grown up 7-footers look like tiny 5th graders.

[Rnbizzle]

A prime Bill Russell's ceiling if he played in today's era would probably be similar to a much better version of Ben Wallace.
What makes you think he'd be 'much better'? I honestly believe Russell in todays league is nothing more then a similar Ben Wallace. I've not seen much video, I'll admit that much, but from what I have seen.. Russell was not very gifted offensively. Defensively - Ben Wallace has won the DPOY award.. so how much better would Russell actually be? Ben Wallace did most things right, as a defender.

[Rake2204]

Archival footage shows that while Bill Russell may be able to take advantage of O'Neal in the finesse game, ultimately Shaq's power would just be too overwhelming to overcome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofqWq8juBaw

[DevilsAssassin]

Archival footage shows that while Bill Russell may be able to take advantage of O'Neal in the finesse game, ultimately Shaq's power would just be too overwhelming to overcome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofqWq8juBaw
:lol 2k12

[trooper]

I guess he could also use his 30" **** as a jumping rope
and tame Bengal tigers just by staring at them. :facepalm

How I hate these bullshit super-Wilt stories.

:roll:

From the footage I have seen, why is it that Wilt chose to play with more finesse and take fadeaways, as opposed to completely overwhelming his opponents, if he was so much stronger and more dominant than everybody.

[Bigsmoke]

Shaq all day.

[Cladyclad]

Im sorry but Russell wouldnt even get drafted in todays game im sorry. I watched film of him. Bill's game would not cut it in todays game. Just like many past players. Magic can not play point today. Bird could not play sf. The way the game is now all those inflated stats stars from yesteryear get deflated in todays game. Sorry

[jlip]

What makes you think he'd be 'much better'? I honestly believe Russell in todays league is nothing more then a similar Ben Wallace. I've not seen much video, I'll admit that much, but from what I have seen.. Russell was not very gifted offensively. Defensively - Ben Wallace has won the DPOY award.. so how much better would Russell actually be? Ben Wallace did most things right, as a defender.

Considering the fact that no team has ever run their offense through Ben Wallace, and he was never considered the best passing big man in the game at any point in his career, but the complete opposite can be said of Russell, I would venture to say that those factors alone would indicate that Russell would be much better. Russell's passing was so important and effective that he actually led the Celtics in assists during the '65, '66, and '67 playoffs. Heck...He led the entire league in total assists during the '65 and '66 playoffs.

More on Russell's passing...

[rodman91]

Except cool stories, Russell's lack of offense showing himself at those stats.

15 points per game in 42 minutes per game.

Lets assume he was a part of offense and used less like Wilt in Lakers years.Still that can't explain 44%.Wilt's fg% got 10-15% better when he was shooting less.

People blame guys like Kobe,Iverson,Rose for having poor fg%.These guys are perimeter players,smaller player in 00's basketball. Russell was still quite big man at his time and had worse FG% with less shots and near to rim.

He was used less because he wasn't good offensive player at all.Kobe's %FG > Russell %FG. A shooting guard in 00's vs one of the most athletic big man of his time.15 shots to get 15 points,not even good in 60's.

But he was a good passer...Well even a Center could able to lead league in assist category in those years if he wanted.

Russell as GOAT center..or in top 5 best player ever...vastly overrating.

[PHILA]

Anyone who thinks Wilt was as strong as Shaq (not necessarily weight-room strength, just brute strength applicable to the basketball court) is nuts. I mean, c'mon...Yes Wilt had thin legs for his size, especially below the knees.


Lawrence Journal-World - Dec 17, 1988 (http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2199&dat=19881217&id=h0IyAAAAIBAJ&sjid=HeYFAAAAIBAJ&pg=4896,3987878)

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[colts19]

The case for Russell takes time to understand but once you allow yourself that time and open mindedness it's pretty easy to see.

The gist of it, Seven Reasons Why Russell is G.O.A.T.:

1) Greatest Defensive Player Ever by Wide Margin - Russell was the best defensive player in his era by a wide margin. If the league selected a defensive player of the year during his career Russell would have won no fewer than nine, likely he'd have 11 or 12, either way more than double what any player before or since would have garnered. So essentially he was the greatest defensive player ever, relative to his competition, by an enormous margin.

2) Catalyst and Anchor of greatest defensive team ever - His teams were the best defensive teams statistically (based on points per possession allowed) and were so by a wider margin over the field than any other team in NBA history. Russell gets almost all the credit for this from his coach, teammates and opponents. Oscar Robertson piloted the best offensives of that era and won nothing, the Lakers were close behind, also no titles. The Celtics were consistently below average on offense during Russell's years, but they were still closer to the best teams in the league than anyone was to them defensively.

3) Causation/Correlation of Russell's presence - The Celtics won their first title in Russell's rookie year after being eliminated in the first round the year before and won their 11th in 13 seasons in his final year. The next season they finished in last place. This shows a direct correlation between their winning and Russell's presence. Every other player, the coach, the owner etc. all changed during Bill's 13 years, but as long as he was there the Celtics kept winning. They added no all-star free agents or top five draft picks post-Russell. The only player they drafted after 1959 that made an all-star team was Hondo.

4) Inverse Era Argument - Despite playing in an era with a much more demanding schedule, worse equipment, harder floors, far worse traveling conditions, no team trainer often let alone nutritional staff, strength coach etc. etc. etc. Russell stayed healthier than any of the other all-time great centers. His only major injury (that he didn't play through) was in 1958 and cost the Celtics a title. When you have a star player like Russell you build your team around him and his strengths, when he goes down, the teams is usually in major trouble. With Russell this was never a concern.

5) Mental Toughness - A lot of franchise struggle to keep winning after they get a title or two because individual players get greedy or lose motivation. Russell never allowed that to happen to himself or his teammates. Russell not only won a title as a player coach, but was the first African American coach in all of American team sports. Carrying that burden and still winning two titles in three years without ever having the best record in his division shows just how mentally strong Russell was. Every other great center has had a mental lapse that cost his team with far, far, far less pressure on him. Russell was unflappable.

6) Capable of dominating on offense - While it's typically said that Russell was an average or worse offensive player (and that's wrong btw) there is a lot of evidence of him dominating games and series on offense. He's averaged over 20 ppg for series, scored 30 in game seven of the NBA finals. Had multiple triple-doubles (with assists not blocks) in the NBA playoffs. Shot over 60% from the field for a finals series and on and on and on. Point is that some players like Shaq, Magic, Bird were some of the greatest offensive players of all-time they could not dominate games on defensive very often if at all. (Shaq did for a brief span from 2000-2001) Russell, easily as good and probably a better defensive player than any of them are offensively, could dominate on offense and consistently did when the situation called for it.

7) Undefeated in Game Sevens (And game five of five game series) - 10-0. It's not like the Celtics were steamrolling the competition. Of the 27 series Russell's teams won during his career, 12 came down to the last game. 17 went at least 6 of 7 games (or 5 of 5) and only three times did the Celtics record a sweep. Jordan's Bulls won 10 of their 32 series by sweep during the six title runs. Thew showtime Lakers swept 12 series during the 80's. Point being it was never easy for the Celtics. They consistently played teams that pushed them to the edge and as long as they had Russell once they got there, they always won.

Thanks for posting GOAT haven't heard from you in a while. GREAT POST.

[bdreason]

GOAT ranking involve a combination of talent and accomplishments. And you can only judge players against their own generation, since everything else is pure speculation.


While I may think Shaq was a more dominant player, if we take career accomplishments into consideration, I can't rank Shaq over Russell.

[aj242]

Wilt was capable of lifting 500+, to be exact. Wilt was also faster, quicker, and more durable than Shaq.

Hold up now! Faster baseline to baseline yes. Quicker, I don't know about that. I think Shaq's second jump was quicker & I got his best or very good friend Sonny Hill of Philly's WIP 610 radio station to admit that. It was like pulling teeth but he agreed.

[rodman91]

GOAT ranking involve a combination of talent and accomplishments. And you can only judge players against their own generation, since everything else is pure speculation.


While I may think Shaq was a more dominant player, if we take career accomplishments into consideration, I can't rank Shaq over Russell.

But there were only 8 teams in those years. Celtics had 9 HOFs..even not that great ones are in HOF due to lack of great players and winning many titles.

Again, those were the years 50 ppg for a season happening.Oscar Robertson had 30 10 10 rookie season. Wilt & Russell were getting almost 30 boards every game.. There are reports they were blocking 10 shots per game.. Wilt was able to led league in assist just because he wanted to show he is not selfish.

He was one of the greatest player (Wilt has case for Goat in 60's) in primitive basketball.

Saying Russell accomplished more in his time is true.But saying GOAT center? over guys like Shaq or Hakeem..:rolleyes:

Let's say he was better than prime Ben Wallace..Let's say he is more athletic,skilled Ben Wallace. Still is it that impressive to say best center ever?

[millwad]

But there were only 8 teams in those years. Celtics had 9 HOFs..even not that great ones are in HOF due to lack of great players and winning many titles.

Again, those were the years 50 ppg for a season happening.Oscar Robertson had 30 10 10 rookie season. Wilt & Russell were getting almost 30 boards every game.. There are reports they were blocking 10 shots per game.. Wilt was able to led league in assist just because he wanted to show he is not selfish.

He was one of the greatest player (Wilt has case for Goat in 60's) in primitive basketball.

Saying Russell accomplished more in his time is true.But saying GOAT center? over guys like Shaq or Hakeem..:rolleyes:

Let's say he was better than prime Ben Wallace..Let's say he is more athletic,skilled Ben Wallace. Still is it that impressive to say best center ever?

THIS.

[NBAller]

According to his peers, Wilt was 7-2. Wilt could bench press 400lbs+.

What physical feats does Shaq have over Wilt?


:roll:

is shaq laying down on wilts chest? no

is body weight = plate weight? no.

bench press is overrated

now you know.


also lol @ the guy who always posts articles and quotes from players in the 70s. Times have changed, the majority of players today>majority players then. Rules changed too.

prove me wrong whoever negged me.

[ThaRegul8r]

A wise man once said, "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." So I think I'm going to leave the asylum to the inmates.

However, since I enjoy pointing out inconsistencies, fallacies in logic and exposing agendas, first I will point out the following quote:

[quote]

[catch24]

[QUOTE=ThaRegul8r]A wise man once said, "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." So I think I'm going to leave the asylum to the inmates.

However, since I enjoy pointing out inconsistencies, fallacies in logic and exposing agendas, first I will point out the following quote:



I'm sure everyone remembers that quote, yes? People on this forum often pulled it up to show that Shaq admitted Hakeem was better. So if that quote was often cited as proof, then the same people should also find the following quote illuminating:



And last year, Shaq again said Russell was

[rodman91]

[QUOTE=ThaRegul8r]A wise man once said, "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." So I think I'm going to leave the asylum to the inmates.

However, since I enjoy pointing out inconsistencies, fallacies in logic and exposing agendas, first I will point out the following quote:



I'm sure everyone remembers that quote, yes? People on this forum often pulled it up to show that Shaq admitted Hakeem was better. So if that quote was often cited as proof, then the same people should also find the following quote illuminating:



And last year, Shaq again said Russell was

[NBAller]

Shaq considers Kareem best.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6622124

Besides thats Shaq.He loves to talk big. He even told Cavs were best team he has been on before :lol

Yeah, I could say Thabeet's the best C. Doesn't necessarily mean that's my true thoughts.

[millwad]

Shaq considers Kareem best.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6622124

Besides thats Shaq.He loves to talk big. He even told Cavs were best team he has been on before :lol

THIS.

Shaq got a big mouth, nothing he says can be used as proof really. One day he is MDE and the day after that Yao Ming suddenly was the best center in the game.

Back to topic, Shaq vs. Russell is a no-contest *DING DING*! I rate players after legacy, accomplishments, accolades... AND SKILLSET.

[millwad]

Wilt was capable of lifting 500+, to be exact. Wilt was also faster, quicker, and more durable than Shaq.

Says Jlauber's own little buttyboy..:facepalm

[MiseryCityTexas]

What makes you think he'd be 'much better'? I honestly believe Russell in todays league is nothing more then a similar Ben Wallace. I've not seen much video, I'll admit that much, but from what I have seen.. Russell was not very gifted offensively. Defensively - Ben Wallace has won the DPOY award.. so how much better would Russell actually be? Ben Wallace did most things right, as a defender.

nah man russell had that hook shot, and could score when he needed to.

[rodman91]

nah man russell had that hook shot, and could score when he needed to.

another myth.If he was able to score whenever he was able to he would do better than 15 ppg in 42 minutes.Let's say he didn't score because of team play.Then at least he would have late Wilt like FG%.But instead, he had 44% for career. That's even worse than most of guards today.

[Inception28]

another myth.If he was able to score whenever he was able to he would do better than 15 ppg in 42 minutes.Let's say he didn't score because of team play.Then at least he would have late Wilt like FG%.But instead, he had 44% for career. That's even worse than most of guards today.
Russell scored 20+ ppg in multiple playoff seasons, so yeah he was capable of scoring if he wanted or needed to.

[rodman91]

Russell scored 20+ ppg in multiple playoff seasons, so yeah he was capable of scoring if he wanted or needed to.

Only 2 playoffs of his career with 45%.. and played 48 minutes per game.

If he was reliable on score, he would score big time always.If he used less like late Wilt, he would have high FG%.

2 playoffs in 60's he was able to reach 20 ppg and he still had very poor % for center in 48 minutes per games. Especially when he was more athletic than his opponents.