The Game: "Nobody wants a problem with Eminem"

[Clippersfan86]

Just found this interview from last year and it was surprising. He flat out admits Em is the only MC in the world that nobody wants to step to. He also says there isn't a single rapper Eminem won't slay. He said even Jay Z wouldn't try nothing. Says he would run from Eminem in a hip hop battle. I'm posting this for you guys who said Eminem is a bitc* for not starting beef with other rappers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbHPpdPhlic&feature=related

I also found another interview with Lil Wayne where he says "I can't fu*k with him".

[Bigsmoke]

MC Juice

[NoName22]

Em ya claim ya mother's a crackhead and Kim is a known slut,
so what's Hailie gon' be when she grows up?

[Clippersfan86]

MC Juice

He's obviously talking about mainstream rappers. Nobody in the mainstream game wants a piece of Eminem. He's the most respected rapper in the game and the most popular one EVER. The dude just sold out 2 shows within 20 minutes.

It's a big deal to hear a legit homegrown cat like Game say nobody including him could match Eminem. He even was extra careful with the 50 beef to avoid taking shots at Eminem.

Here's Rakim who is considered the GOAT by some hip hop fans talking about Eminem. He flat out admits if Eminem was black he would essentially be the GOAT. The interviewer is a POS french dude BTW. Talks so much sh**.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I53vWm8dJGk&feature=related

[Bigsmoke]

He's obviously talking about mainstream rappers. Nobody in the mainstream game wants a piece of Eminem. He's the most respected rapper in the game and the most popular one EVER. The dude just sold out 2 shows within 20 minutes.

It's a big deal to hear a legit homegrown cat like Game say nobody including him could match Eminem. He even was extra careful with the 50 beef to avoid taking shots at Eminem.

lol Dude is bipolar as hell tho'. He changes his mind about everything like ever 2 seconds.

[Clippersfan86]

lol Dude is bipolar as hell tho'. He changes his mind about everything like ever 2 seconds.

Yea lol. Game is kind of hot and cold but he seems sincere in this interview. I truly believe him when he says he knows from being in the industry that nobody wants to see Eminem.

[Bigsmoke]

Yea lol. Game is kind of hot and cold but he seems sincere in this interview. I truly believe him when he says he knows from being in the industry that nobody wants to see Eminem.

(You know what speakin of Jay
That just makes me roll down
Now your song westside story)
Ohh Ohh
(You got a line that says
Dont wear throwbacks
Or drive, ride in maybacks,
Is that a shot at Jay?)
Naa, i was talkin about Ja Rule
Yeah, So, Yeah, i got a lot of
Respect for Jay
You know what im saying
I never take shots at legends
Thats just something i dont do

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqh62GwfX28

:sleeping

[Clippersfan86]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqh62GwfX28

:sleeping

:oldlol:

[ukplayer4]

canibus did, and juice, but yeah they are two of the very best and not mainstream.

[Clippersfan86]

canibus did, and juice, but yeah they are two of the very best and not mainstream.

Canibus got owned and was never heard from again. Not sure why you guys are saying Juice just because he beat Em when he was younger at the Scribble Jam. I'm not talking about pure freestyle anyways but writing/lyrics as well. Eminem is untouchable in the mainstream game right now.

Have you even listened to those freestyles UK? Scribble Jam final was wack from both parties... Eminem was just worse that day. Check out this freestyle by Eminem and tell me what you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD10kWdwxjs

Other respected artists like Eyedea, Rza, B.I.G and many others didn't even kill it like this on this show.

[ukplayer4]

that link wasnt from their battle, this is it- havent listened to it in years but i remember it being pretty decent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_112799&src_vid=OUo08RBedxo&feature=iv&v=HAujn_4Q8CI




and the canibus/em battle never really off the ground, seemed like neither of them really wanted it with each other(from interviews/rubbish diss tracks) so i dont know wtf you are talking about with 'canibus lost and hasnt been heard from since' he put out his best material after this anyway. obviously you arent a fan but canibus to me is one of the few rappers that is a better lyricist than eminem.

[nathanjizzle]

Just found this interview from last year and it was surprising. He flat out admits Em is the only MC in the world that nobody wants to step to. He also says there isn't a single rapper Eminem won't slay. He said even Jay Z wouldn't try nothing. Says he would run from Eminem in a hip hop battle. I'm posting this for you guys who said Eminem is a bitc* for not starting beef with other rappers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbHPpdPhlic&feature=related

I also found another interview with Lil Wayne where he says "I can't fu*k with him".

:applause:

[nathanjizzle]

eminem isnt really a freestyle battle rapper....but he will murder you on wax.

[Clippersfan86]

that link wasnt from their battle, this is it- havent listened to it in years but i remember it being pretty decent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_112799&src_vid=OUo08RBedxo&feature=iv&v=HAujn_4Q8CI




and the canibus/em battle never really off the ground, seemed like neither of them really wanted it with each other(from interviews/rubbish diss tracks) so i dont know wtf you are talking about with 'canibus lost and hasnt been heard from since' he put out his best material after this anyway. obviously you arent a fan but canibus to me is one of the few rappers that is a better lyricist than eminem.

I knew Canibus from when he beefed with LL. He's known around the game as an attention whore. A guy who tries to get his career off by dissing other artists out of the blue. He made a mistake because LL crushed his as*. Valiant effort but he made a mistake stepping to a legendary battle MC.

Eminem dropped a few diss tracks like "Canibit*h" and "I'm Marshall" and some other mixes about Canibus and instead of of him retaliating... he waited until way after the drama ended and dropped a track which got him a lot of heat from other artists.

Maybe Canibus is a worthy adversary but I don't respect the fact that he's tried to make a career attacking other artists and getting beat down. That's how 50 Cent was too. Get famous by starting beef with everyone.

This is Eminem at like 75 percent going in on Canibus dude.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kcw40i1RteY

[Clippersfan86]

eminem isnt really a freestyle battle rapper....but he will murder you on wax.

Yea... like I said I'm not saying dude is the best freestyle rapper alive or anything. Just that as an overall artist, especially his written lyrics... nobody wants to see him even though he's not as hard as he used to be.

[TylerOO]

Em would murder any rapper

[SCdac]

haha my best friend is actually on a midwest tour with Juice right now. true neither are mainstream, but yeah his battle against eminem back in the day was pretty sick.

[B-Low]

Just found this interview from last year and it was surprising. He flat out admits Em is the only MC in the world that nobody wants to step to. He also says there isn't a single rapper Eminem won't slay. He said even Jay Z wouldn't try nothing. Says he would run from Eminem in a hip hop battle. I'm posting this for you guys who said Eminem is a bitc* for not starting beef with other rappers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbHPpdPhlic&feature=related

I also found another interview with Lil Wayne where he says "I can't fu*k with him".

Yeah anybody in rap with half a brain knows that Em is the last person you wanna go against verbally. He's got probably the most vicious delivery style I've ever heard when he goes intense. He said it best in that Xzibit song Say My Name

"You'd probably do better tryin to come and stomp me out
You don't want it with rap, this is what I'm all about - c'mon"

Sure the no-name underground guys might try to come at him to try to gain some attention/fame, but any established mainstream rappers with something to lose are gonna stand clear

[PowerGlove]

:sleeping

If Nas or Jay got after him...that's a wrap. But after their beef....what more do they have to prove?

[dee-rose]

:sleeping

If Nas or Jay got after him...that's a wrap. But after their beef....what more do they have to prove?
:applause:

[Doranku]

:sleeping

If Nas or Jay got after him...that's a wrap. But after their beef....what more do they have to prove?

Nas maybe, but Jay?

:facepalm

[RaininThrees]

haha my best friend is actually on a midwest tour with Juice right now. true neither are mainstream, but yeah his battle against eminem back in the day was pretty sick.

Nice humblebrag.

[verylegit]

Nas maybe, but Jay?

:facepalm
he'll steal biggies lines that were used in the tupac beef. :lol

but yeah, nas= :applause:

jay z's overratedness would be exposed if he went at it with someone like em

[joe]

I thought Eminem's diss to Canibus was great. "Can-I-Bitch." Just so funny.

And 2nd round knockout is one of the most overrated songs in the history of hiphop, IMO

I think Canibus is really good, but when it comes to battles, I don't think he's brought his best. And others seem to bring their best against him.

[rezznor]

Yeah anybody in rap with half a brain knows that Em is the last person you wanna go against verbally. He's got probably the most vicious delivery style I've ever heard when he goes intense. He said it best in that Xzibit song Say My Name

"You'd probably do better tryin to come and stomp me out
You don't want it with rap, this is what I'm all about - c'mon"

Sure the no-name underground guys might try to come at him to try to gain some attention/fame, but any established mainstream rappers with something to lose are gonna stand clear


I'm sure Pleezebelieve would kill Em

[Timmy D for MVP]

I feel like a couple guys might be able to get after him but they're cool with him you know?

I feel like Black Thought and Mos if they got serious about a beef would be able to take Em.

Whoo! That'd be some sweet shit!

[DJmicah]

i think the only sort of mainstream rapper that could beat eminem is tech n9ne

[Premeditated]

Em ya claim ya mother's a crackhead and Kim is a known slut,
so what's Hailie gon' be when she grows up?
:oldlol:

Em got ehtered by Ja Rule of all people. What the hell makes this fakkit The Gayme think anyone wouldn't want a problem with him? He has too much on him that anyone can use.

-he's swagless
-moms a crackhead
-kim is a whore
-racist (dissing black women)
-his daughter is almost 18
-he got shook when Mark Walhberg was in his presence
-only disses pop stars
-he's swagless:lol
-wears durag
-drug addict
-he's swagless:roll:
-mocked Micheal Jackson
-he's a fukking fakkit
-got sonned by Benzino.......BENZINO!!!
-he's swagless
-Nicki Minaj killed him on Roman's Revenge

rappers have alot of ammo on him

[tomtucker]

:oldlol:

Em got ehtered by Ja Rule of all people. What the hell makes this fakkit The Gayme think anyone wouldn't want a problem with him? He has too much on him that anyone can use.

-he's swagless
-moms a crackhead
-kim is a whore
-racist (dissing black women)
-his daughter is almost 18
-he got shook when Mark Walhberg was in his presence
-only disses pop stars
-he's swagless:lol
-wears durag
-drug addict
-he's swagless:roll:
-mocked Micheal Jackson-he's a fukking fakkit
-got sonned by Benzino.......BENZINO!!!
-he's swagless
-Nicki Minaj killed him on Roman's Revenge

rappers have alot of ammo on him
mocked Micheal Jackson* is that a bad thing ?....M.J had kids suckling his peniis............
jesus, ban this motherfukker allready.........!

[Premeditated]

mocked Micheal Jackson* is that a bad thing ?....M.J had kids suckling his peniis............
jesus, ban this motherfukker allready.........!
shut the fukk up. hoes ass nikka.

I bet MJ had more street cred than this swagless clown.

[PowerGlove]

he'll steal biggies lines that were used in the tupac beef. :lol

but yeah, nas= :applause:

jay z's overratedness would be exposed if he went at it with someone like em
Jay-z is one of the best lyricists ever. How is he overrated?

[Premeditated]

Jay-z is one of the best lyricists ever. How is he overrated?
I'm saying though. These dudes just think that because Nas either him, it means he can't diss anybody. Ether is the greatest diss record of all time but people are underrated Takeover. Before Nas dropped ether, nikkas were actually paying attention to the lyrics on Takeover. That record is a masterpiece. The ways he broke down Nas career after Illmatic had me dying. Great use of wordplay and he made it look so effortless. You could tell when he was recording it he had that nonchalant swag on his face like it was nothing.:lol
If Ether hadn't dropped, Takeover would have been the diss record that set the bar.

[Clippersfan86]

shut the fukk up. hoes ass nikka.

I bet MJ had more street cred than this swagless clown.

Are you really this big of a dipsh*t? LOL at saying Jay Z could hang with Eminem Powerglove. I doubt even Nas could. I think it's funny how Nas drops Ether so now he's untouchable. One diss track doesn't make you. Jay Z/Nas beef had some great tracks but Eminem's Nail In The Coffin, Bully and a couple others are insane diss tracks too. It doesn't matter who they were targeting or if Nas took on a heavyweight.

Eminem has surpassed Nas and everybody knows that. I mean people seriously consider Eminem a GOAT contender now. Even rappers of old and ones in the game right now feel this way. I've never heard anybody but fans call Nas a GOAT worthy rapper.

[Clippersfan86]

:oldlol:

Em got ehtered by Ja Rule of all people. What the hell makes this fakkit The Gayme think anyone wouldn't want a problem with him? He has too much on him that anyone can use.

-he's swagless
-moms a crackhead
-kim is a whore
-racist (dissing black women)
-his daughter is almost 18
-he got shook when Mark Walhberg was in his presence
-only disses pop stars
-he's swagless:lol
-wears durag
-drug addict
-he's swagless:roll:
-mocked Micheal Jackson
-he's a fukking fakkit
-got sonned by Benzino.......BENZINO!!!
-he's swagless
-Nicki Minaj killed him on Roman's Revenge

rappers have alot of ammo on him

Doesn't matter how much other rappers know about you dude. That doesn't mean sh** :facepalm . The key here is nobody has the balls to use all of that against him. You said Ja ethered Em? :lol :lol .

Remind me what happened after 50 and Eminem ripped Ja on multiple tracks? He fu**ing vanished bro. If you ether somebody you don't disappear.

Check out this Ja diss by Eminem

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqj3tSVsWO4

Not only does Eminem murder Ja/Benzino and the track.... but he reveals EVERYTHING about the beef and exposes them in every way.

[PowerGlove]

Are you really this big of a dipsh*t? LOL at saying Jay Z could hang with Eminem Powerglove. I doubt even Nas could. I think it's funny how Nas drops Ether so now he's untouchable. One diss track doesn't make you. Jay Z/Nas beef had some great tracks but Eminem's Nail In The Coffin, Bully and a couple others are insane diss tracks too. It doesn't matter who they were targeting or if Nas took on a heavyweight.

What is so funny about a legend being able to hang with Eminem? I guess its trendy to hate on Jay now and act like he cant spit.

LMFAO@ Em has surpassed Nas....how is that even possible? How do pass someone by dropping shitty to average albums?

[Clippersfan86]

:oldlol:

You honestly think there is a music industry big shot or MC who thinks Eminem isn't higher up the all time list than Nas right now? Eminem is more universally considered a GOAT than Nas and it's not even close. Eminem has him beat in literally every single way. Maybe Nas has more credibility among the fans but Nas doesn't inspire people. I don't need to constantly listen to the same content like Nas gives. I don't need to hear about slanging, power and politics over and over. Eminem inspires.

Like Rakim said Eminem is the most complete rapper ever. If he wasn't white people would of already declared him the GOAT. He's inspirational, he's versatile, his delivery is untouched, he's white and still dominated a black game. Nas is no doubt an elite MC and deserves some top 10 talk.... but Eminem is clearly superior to Nas.

[Clippersfan86]

What is so funny about a legend being able to hang with Eminem? I guess its trendy to hate on Jay now and act like he cant spit.

LMFAO@ Em has surpassed Nas....how is that even possible? How do pass someone by dropping shitty to average albums?

Well The Game and many other respected artists called Recovery a classic. It was so good they had him put on a performance of it at BET of all places. Average rating of the album (critic reviews) is 4.5/5 stars so you saying it's sh*tty is just a personal issue. Eminem has 3 classics and 4 solid/average albums.

Nas can't touch Slim Shady LP, Marshall Mathers LP or Recovery. I have.... It Was Written and Illmatic and sure there are a few great tracks on each but if you listen to the 3 Eminem albums I just named... literally every single track is good. Every single track is fire.

As for saying Jay Z is getting blind hate look at his fu**ing material dude. He started with club songs like "Big Pimpin" to really get on the map and ended with stuff like "Encore" etc. Guy is a total glam rocker. All he's ever rapped about was projects, slanging, girls, money and power. He has absolutely zero versatility in his lyrics and is the cockiest MC I've seen in my lifetime.

Jay Z will be known far more for his business success than his rapping by future generations.

[PowerGlove]

wipe your chin clipperfan.

[Legends66NBA7]

Nas can't touch Slim Shady LP, Marshall Mathers LP or Recovery.

I would add the Eminem Show as well. That usually gets underrated, I think it's one of his, if not his best, album. And like you said, every track on there is pretty versatile.

[Premeditated]

God Damn, Clipperfan. SHUT THE FUKK UP. Holy sh1t.

[sunsfan1357]

wipe your chin clipperfan.
This.

[Clippersfan86]

Any facts to support this claims? Or are you just going off of your perception.

Really dude? Eminem doesn't do the same rehashed shit? Talking about killing your mother, raping bitches and the same old relationship problems is inspiring? Most of Eminem's content is either an emotional rambling or some psychotic nonsense.



Who gives a f*ck what Rakim says? We can all listen for ourselves. Just because a respected person says something doesn't make it true.

And LOL @ him not being declared GOAT because he's white. He gets hyped up EVEN MORE BECAUSE he's white. Being a white guy that is great in a field dominated by black people will always get you recognized.

It's cool to have your opinions. If you think Eminem is the greatest rapper ever, that's fine. But don't sit up here and act like it's some universal truth.

I didn't call Eminem the GOAT. I said Eminem is better than Nas and Jay which should be pretty clear by now. Fans are voting that way, hip hop industry folks are talking about him being in the GOAT discussion and critics are leaning that way as well.

I'm not trying to say Nas wouldn't match up with Eminem decently, just that he would ultimately lose. Eminem is the greatest mainstream lyricist of our time, maybe ever in my opinion.

Eminem gets more praise because he's white.. and sells more records BUT he absolutely no fuc*ing question gets underrated by people like you guys because he's white. It's sad really. I mean you have people making threads comparing Eminem to Kanye. If that doesn't tell you he's underrated as an MC I don't know what does. If you interviewed all the top hip hop artists, industry giants... I doubt a single one could look you in the eyes and tell you Eminem wasn't better than Kanye, Jay Z and many other overrated rappers.

[NoName22]

You honestly think there is a music industry big shot or MC who thinks Eminem isn't higher up the all time list than Nas right now? Eminem is more universally considered a GOAT than Nas and it's not even close. Eminem has him beat in literally every single way. Maybe Nas has more credibility among the fans but Nas doesn't inspire people. I don't need to constantly listen to the same content like Nas gives. I don't need to hear about slanging, power and politics over and over. Eminem inspires.

Like Rakim said Eminem is the most complete rapper ever. If he wasn't white people would of already declared him the GOAT. He's inspirational, he's versatile, his delivery is untouched, he's white and still dominated a black game. Nas is no doubt an elite MC and deserves some top 10 talk.... but Eminem is clearly superior to Nas.

Fukk outta here with your bullshit stan.

Em's been a joke since 04 with this yelling flow & subpar music.

Em inspires what ? He's the one constantly dissing his wife calling her a slut/crackhead over & over. Didn't he diss his dead mother ?

Fukk outta here, b.

[PistonsFan#21]

You honestly think there is a music industry big shot or MC who thinks Eminem isn't higher up the all time list than Nas right now? Eminem is more universally considered a GOAT than Nas and it's not even close. Eminem has him beat in literally every single way. Maybe Nas has more credibility among the fans but Nas doesn't inspire people. I don't need to constantly listen to the same content like Nas gives. I don't need to hear about slanging, power and politics over and over. Eminem inspires.

Like Rakim said Eminem is the most complete rapper ever. If he wasn't white people would of already declared him the GOAT. He's inspirational, he's versatile, his delivery is untouched, he's white and still dominated a black game. Nas is no doubt an elite MC and deserves some top 10 talk.... but Eminem is clearly superior to Nas.

can you give me the link to that?
And maybe Eminem inspire you. Personally he doesnt inspire me at all apart from a few songs. Nas' albums are better imo.

[Clippersfan86]

I would add the Eminem Show as well. That usually gets underrated, I think it's one of his, if not his best, album. And like you said, every track on there is pretty versatile.

Even his mixtapes and collaborations. I mean think about tracks like "Till I Collapse" which is a classic but not on a main album. Eminem has sadly become very underrated among a certain crowd. Because he's white.. or because he doesn't rap about pus*y, money, drugs and power over and over like 95 percent of the black mainstream rappers... he can't move up their all time ranking.

If Nas is so great guys....let's compare the albums. For every top Nas song you got... I got 2 Eminem songs to match. Illmatic, Stillmatic and It Was Written compared to Slim Shady LP, Marshall Mathers LP and Recovery.

[Clippersfan86]

can you give me the link to that?
And maybe Eminem inspire you. Personally he doesnt inspire me at all apart from a few songs. Nas' albums are better imo.

I have no problem with people preferring Nas. I have a problem with people acting like Nas is superior to Eminem. People like to go with what's popular. For example even people that haven't really listened to Pac consider him the best because everybody else does. That's the kind of sh** I'm talking about.

[PowerGlove]

I didn't call Eminem the GOAT. I said Eminem is better than Nas and Jay which should be pretty clear by now. Fans are voting that way, hip hop industry folks are talking about him being in the GOAT discussion and critics are leaning that way as well.

I'm not trying to say Nas wouldn't match up with Eminem decently, just that he would ultimately lose. Eminem is the greatest mainstream lyricist of our time, maybe ever in my opinion.

Eminem gets more praise because he's white.. and sells more records BUT he absolutely no fuc*ing question gets underrated by people like you guys because he's white. It's sad really. I mean you have people making threads comparing Eminem to Kanye. If that doesn't tell you he's underrated as an MC I don't know what does. If you interviewed all the top hip hop artists, industry giants... I doubt a single one could look you in the eyes and tell you Eminem wasn't better than Kanye, Jay Z and many other overrated rappers.
http://i51.tinypic.com/2w4xp4i.gif

[Clippersfan86]

Fukk outta here with your bullshit stan.

Em's been a joke since 04 with this yelling flow & subpar music.

Em inspires what ? He's the one constantly dissing his wife calling her a slut/crackhead over & over. Didn't he diss his dead mother ?

Fukk outta here, b.

I didn't say all of his things are inspirational retard. I'll give you guys a challenge. Find me another rapper who has 4 popular tracks about his kids and how much he loves them. Look at his classics "Lose Yourself" and "Not Afraid". Find me a Nas or Jay Z track that inspires people like this?

Eminem's lyrical content and versatility surpasses all these mainstream dudes. Sure he has wacky tracks... but he also has some DEEP tracks that I've never heard other mainstream artists touch on. The Closest I can get is Pac's "Dear Momma".

[Clippersfan86]

Fez is about to make me go in on Eminem :lol

Go ahead. His career, popularity and respect from fellow rappers speaks for itself. I really don't even need to defend him. Anybody with self respect and a love for any hip hop wouldn't throw ANYBODY in the discussion with Eminem unless they were a bonafide legend.

[Legends66NBA7]

can you give me the link to that?
And maybe Eminem inspire you. Personally he doesnt inspire me at all apart from a few songs. Nas' albums are better imo.

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.3718/title.rakim-speaks-on-em

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I53vWm8dJGk

[Clippersfan86]

I think I was being unreasonable about Nas. He's on the level of Eminem (though I think Em has an edge on all time list). Jay Z though? Fu** that dude, he's not even on the same level. I mean he destroyed Jay Z and BIG on their own tracks. That says it all.

[NoName22]

I didn't say all of his things are inspirational retard. I'll give you guys a challenge. Find me another rapper who has 4 popular tracks about his kids and how much he loves them. Look at his classics "Lose Yourself" and "Not Afraid". Find me a Nas or Jay Z track that inspires people like this?

Eminem's lyrical content and versatility surpasses all these mainstream dudes. Sure he has wacky tracks... but he also has some DEEP tracks that I've never heard other mainstream artists touch on. The Closest I can get is Pac's "Dear Momma".

Really breh ?

We get it, you like Eminem, but you're just being stupid here. Take off your homer glasses breh.

[PistonsFan#21]

can someone give me the link to Rakim saying Eminem would be considered the best ever if he was black? I havent seen that interview

Also Eminem is not better than Nas. He is more famous sure but better? nah

edit: just saw the post above with the youtube link. He doesnt actually say that Eminem is the best ever. He says that if Eminem was black he would still be nasty and just as good but he probably wouldnt sell as many records. He does say that he would be the next Muhammad Ali though but he doesnt directly call Em the GOAT though

[Legends66NBA7]

Jay Z though? Fu** that dude, he's not even on the same level. I mean he destroyed Jay Z and BIG on their own tracks. That says it all.

Tis true

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHXxc77iYDI

[NoName22]

I think I was being unreasonable about Nas. He's on the level of Eminem (though I think Em has an edge on all time list). Jay Z though? Fu** that dude, he's not even on the same level. I mean he destroyed Jay Z and BIG on their own tracks. That says it all.

Lol @ destroying Biggie on a track made after the death of the latter :roll: And even then, Big Poppa came up better.

[Legends66NBA7]

can you give me the link to Rakim saying Eminem would be considered the best ever if he was black? I havent seen that interview

I posted it before:

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.3718/title.rakim-speaks-on-em

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I53vWm8dJGk

[PowerGlove]

I didn't say all of his things are inspirational retard. I'll give you guys a challenge. Find me another rapper who has 4 popular tracks about his kids and how much he loves them. Look at his classics "Lose Yourself" and "Not Afraid". Find me a Nas or Jay Z track that inspires people like this?

Eminem's lyrical content and versatility surpasses all these mainstream dudes. Sure he has wacky tracks... but he also has some DEEP tracks that I've never heard other mainstream artists touch on. The Closest I can get is Pac's "Dear Momma".

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y88/xxAgainstTheRest/ONTD/1j46ec.gif

[NoName22]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y88/xxAgainstTheRest/ONTD/1j46ec.gif

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Clippersfan86]

can someone give me the link to Rakim saying Eminem would be considered the best ever if he was black? I havent seen that interview

Also Eminem is not better than Nas. He is more famous sure but better? nah

On the interview he implies Eminem would be Ali. Read between the lines bro. Is there a person on the planet that doesn't consider Ali the greatest boxer of all time, possibly the greatest athlete in general of all time?

My problem isn't people preferring Nas. It's people acting like Eminem isn't worthy of being discussed with Nas or that he CAN'T possibly be above Nas. This is a problem and it does have to do with him being a white rapper or people thinking he has less street cred. It's like people set a cap. Eminem can be top 10 but he can never be number 1.

[Clippersfan86]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y88/xxAgainstTheRest/ONTD/1j46ec.gif

Tell me who instead of dodging the question. You guys are quick to point out Eminem's most random tracks like killing his mother, raping people, doing shrooms etc or w/e.... but how many mainstream artists have tracks like....Mockingbird, When I'm Gone, I'm Not Afraid, Lose Yourself, Hailie's Song, Beautiful, My Dad's Gone Crazy, Going Through Changes. FIND ME ONE FU**ING ARTIST BRO. You can't huh? How many tracks has Nas made that are deep like this. Not politically deep but emotionally deep and inspirational.

[sunsfan1357]

On the interview he implies Eminem would be Ali. Read between the lines bro. Is there a person on the planet that doesn't consider Ali the greatest boxer of all time, possibly the greatest athlete in general of all time?

My problem isn't people preferring Nas. It's people acting like Eminem isn't worthy of being discussed with Nas or that he CAN'T possibly be above Nas. This is a problem and it does have to do with him being a white rapper or people thinking he has less street cred. It's like people set a cap. Eminem can be top 10 but he can never be number 1.
How about a vast majority of boxing experts?

[NoName22]

On the interview he implies Eminem would be Ali. Read between the lines bro. Is there a person on the planet that doesn't consider Ali the greatest boxer of all time, possibly the greatest athlete in general of all time?

My problem isn't people preferring Nas. It's people acting like Eminem isn't worthy of being discussed with Nas or that he CAN'T possibly be above Nas. This is a problem and it does have to do with him being a white rapper or people thinking he has less street cred. It's like people set a cap. Eminem can be top 10 but he can never be number 1.

You said Recovery or SSLP are better than any album Nas put out (inluding Illmatic which is arguably the GOAT hip-hop album).

Why are you still discussing about hip-hop ?

[Premeditated]

honestly, this Clipperfan dude is pissing me off. I didn't think I can get upset over a hip hop debate up damn. Only a white boy would put Eminem over Nas.

[PistonsFan#21]

On the interview he implies Eminem would be Ali. Read between the lines bro. Is there a person on the planet that doesn't consider Ali the greatest boxer of all time, possibly the greatest athlete in general of all time?
My problem isn't people preferring Nas. It's people acting like Eminem isn't worthy of being discussed with Nas or that he CAN'T possibly be above Nas. This is a problem and it does have to do with him being a white rapper or people thinking he has less street cred. It's like people set a cap. Eminem can be top 10 but he can never be number 1.

alot of people that dont know anything about boxing or are just casual fans call Ali the greatest boxer of all time. Most experts, analysts and even Muhammad Ali himself said Sugar Ray Robinson is the greatest boxer of all time. Ali is just more popular and is an iconic image of the sport of boxing.

But to be fair Rakim probably over exagerrated when he said that. He just has alot of respect for Eminem and considers him one of the best but I dont think he would dare to straight up say: ''Eminem is the greatest rapper of all time''

[PistonsFan#21]

I posted it before:

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.3718/title.rakim-speaks-on-em

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I53vWm8dJGk

yea sorry i just seen it after i made my post. thanks.
But he doesnt actually say Eminem is the greatest rapper of all time. I would love if the interviewer asked him who's better between him and Em see if he would say that Em was better

[Legends66NBA7]

yea sorry i just seen it after i made my post. thanks

Yea no problem.

I can't really go into this too much, considering both Nas and Eminem are two of my personal favourite rappers of all-time. Can't be wrong choosing one over the other. They both have a great case.

[PistonsFan#21]

I didn't say all of his things are inspirational retard. I'll give you guys a challenge. Find me another rapper who has 4 popular tracks about his kids and how much he loves them. Look at his classics "Lose Yourself" and "Not Afraid". Find me a Nas or Jay Z track that inspires people like this?

Eminem's lyrical content and versatility surpasses all these mainstream dudes. Sure he has wacky tracks... but he also has some DEEP tracks that I've never heard other mainstream artists touch on. The Closest I can get is Pac's "Dear Momma".

watch this song by Nas called dance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siBCajh2g5E

obviously its not as popular as Eminem's songs because its not as mainstream but to me that song is just as deep

[PowerGlove]

Tell me who instead of dodging the question. You guys are quick to point out Eminem's most random tracks like killing his mother, raping people, doing shrooms etc or w/e.... but how many mainstream artists have tracks like....Mockingbird, When I'm Gone, I'm Not Afraid, Lose Yourself, Hailie's Song, Beautiful, My Dad's Gone Crazy, Going Through Changes. FIND ME ONE FU**ING ARTIST BRO. You can't huh? How many tracks has Nas made that are deep like this. Not politically deep but emotionally deep and inspirational.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y88/xxAgainstTheRest/ONTD/tumblr_lkcilq9nbS1qgxdtt.gif

Kanye has made multiple songs that speak on real issues: All Falls Down/Spaceships/Bring Me Down/Never Let Me Down/Hey Mama/Murder To Excellence/New Day/etc...

plus, he killed Eminem on Forever.

[PistonsFan#21]

Tell me who instead of dodging the question. You guys are quick to point out Eminem's most random tracks like killing his mother, raping people, doing shrooms etc or w/e.... but how many mainstream artists have tracks like....Mockingbird, When I'm Gone, I'm Not Afraid, Lose Yourself, Hailie's Song, Beautiful, My Dad's Gone Crazy, Going Through Changes. FIND ME ONE FU**ING ARTIST BRO. You can't huh? How many tracks has Nas made that are deep like this. Not politically deep but emotionally deep and inspirational.

2pac:

changes
dear mama
keep ya head up
life goes on
brenda's got a baby

and plenty more.

[Legends66NBA7]

2pac:

changes
dear mama
keep ya head up
life goes on
brenda's got a baby

and plenty more.

That’s the rapper that could challenge both Eminem and Nas on any level.

Oh yeah, nice find on that Nas song, never heard it before. It’s pretty good. It reminds me off Pac’s Dear Mama. (I always thought personally that Pac and Nas were very similar in their message.)

Yeah, Rakim never did say he was the GOAT rapper, but I think he was trying to imply it.

[catch24]

:oldlol: at Em even being in Nas' stratosphere. Said this a while back and I'll say it again. Nearly every album he's produced since The Eminem Show has been garbage..and boring. His delivery is obnoxious and corny. Despite this, dude is still one of the best artists you'll hear on the radio. It's sad. Royce, Kanye and Lupe are all better imo.

[PistonsFan#21]

That’s the rapper that could challenge both Eminem and Nas on any level.

Oh yeah, nice find on that Nas song, never heard it before. It’s pretty good. It reminds me off Pac’s Dear Mama. (I always thought personally that Pac and Nas were very similar in their message.)
Yeah, Rakim never did say he was the GOAT rapper, but I think he was trying to imply it.

Here's another similar song by LL Cool J about his grandma:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOBZR57ZXVs

Alot of rappers have great songs like this

[Clippersfan86]

2pac:

changes
dear mama
keep ya head up
life goes on
brenda's got a baby

and plenty more.

I meant current. I already mentioned Pac did. Pac is also considered the GOAT by many.

[Clippersfan86]

alot of people that dont know anything about boxing or are just casual fans call Ali the greatest boxer of all time. Most experts, analysts and even Muhammad Ali himself said Sugar Ray Robinson is the greatest boxer of all time. Ali is just more popular and is an iconic image of the sport of boxing.

But to be fair Rakim probably over exagerrated when he said that. He just has alot of respect for Eminem and considers him one of the best but I dont think he would dare to straight up say: ''Eminem is the greatest rapper of all time''

I understand this. At worst Ali is top 3 though right? Just like Eminem. I never called Eminem the GOAT. Just saying I feel he's better than Jay Z easily and a little above Nas or at least on the same level.

[Clippersfan86]

You said Recovery or SSLP are better than any album Nas put out (inluding Illmatic which is arguably the GOAT hip-hop album).

Why are you still discussing about hip-hop ?

So you don't think SSLP has a case over Illmatic? I own both albums and like both. Difference is Illmatic has tracks I skip over... SSLP doesn't. Every single song is good, unique.

[PistonsFan#21]

I understand this. At worst Ali is top 3 though right? Just like Eminem. I never called Eminem the GOAT. Just saying I feel he's better than Jay Z easily and a little above Nas.

Maybe i had the wrong impression but it did sound like you were claiming Eminem is the GOAT.

My biggest problem with Eminem is when he uses gimmicks and multiple personnalities in his rap. I dont know for some reason thats a turn off to me. Alot of his fans seem to like it though. I guess its personnal preference.

[Clippersfan86]

Maybe i had the wrong impression but it did sound like you were claiming Eminem is the GOAT.

My biggest problem with Eminem is when he uses gimmicks and multiple personnalities in his rap. I dont know for some reason thats a turn off to me. Alot of his fans seem to like it though. I guess its personnal preference.

I feel you on that dude. I understand Eminem isn't for everyone. Some of his stuff annoys me too. His voices though and all that are a preference. It shouldn't get him underrated or disqualified as one of the best rappers of all time.

[PowerGlove]

:oldlol: at Em even being in Nas' stratosphere. Said this a while back and I'll say it again. Nearly every album he's produced since The Eminem Show has been garbage..and boring. His delivery is obnoxious and corny. Despite this, dude is still one of the best artists you'll hear on the radio. It's sad. Royce, Kanye and Lupe are all better imo.
http://i47.tinypic.com/2ufek9e.jpg

[PistonsFan#21]

I feel you on that dude. I understand Eminem isn't for everyone. Some of his stuff annoys me too. His voices though and all that are a preference. It shouldn't get him underrated or disqualified as one of the best rappers of all time.

definately not. Skills wise, flow and lyrics hes one of the best of all time

[Clippersfan86]

definately not. Skills wise, flow and lyrics hes one of the best of all time

:cheers: . All I'm saying. The Game in this interview was basically saying nobody in the game wants to war with Eminem which is true. Even if Nas can match him he wouldn't take that chance going against another Legend/God MC like Eminem. It would be too risky. Just like how Eminem wouldn't go after Nas (Besides Eminem looks up to Nas and cites him as one of his biggest influences).

[Clippersfan86]

:oldlol: at Em even being in Nas' stratosphere. Said this a while back and I'll say it again. Nearly every album he's produced since The Eminem Show has been garbage..and boring. His delivery is obnoxious and corny. Despite this, dude is still one of the best artists you'll hear on the radio. It's sad. Royce, Kanye and Lupe are all better imo.

Tell me the last time Nas made a "classic" album bro. You still riding the nuts of Illmatic or what? Recovery and other recent freestyles and mixtape jams by Eminem= fire. What has Nas done lately in comparison? Not saying Nas is done... but you act like Eminem has been trash since 04 or w/e and Nas is still relevant and amazing.

[RRR3]

Pretty sure Big L would beat Eminem in a freestyle battle.

[Clippersfan86]

Pretty sure Big L would beat Eminem in a freestyle battle.

Game wasn't talking about freestyle. People constantly compare Eminem in freestyle but that's not even his strength. Sure he's a proven and respected Battle MC but his real strength lies in his insane lyrics/writing ability.

[RRR3]

Game wasn't talking about freestyle. People constantly compare Eminem in freestyle but that's not even his strength. Sure he's a proven and respected Battle MC but his real strength lies in his insane lyrics/writing ability.

He's a great rapper, no doubt, but he's very overrated.

[Legends66NBA7]

Just like how Eminem wouldn't go after Nas (Besides Eminem looks up to Nas and cites him as one of his biggest influences).

Critics on Eminem's Infinite album:

The album received mixed critical reviews and was met with derision from within the local hip-hop community, earning Eminem unfavorable accusations of copying other rappers' styles, particularly Nas and AZ. Eminem recalls:

"Obviously, I was young and influenced by other artists, and I got a lot of feedback saying that I sounded like Nas and AZ. Infinite was me trying to figure out how I wanted my rap style to be, how I wanted to sound on the mic and present myself. It was a growing stage. I felt like Infinite was like a demo that just got pressed up."

That's one reason I can see why people would put Nas over Eminem.

[RRR3]

Critics on Eminem's Infinite album:

The album received mixed critical reviews and was met with derision from within the local hip-hop community, earning Eminem unfavorable accusations of copying other rappers' styles, particularly Nas and AZ. Eminem recalls:

"Obviously, I was young and influenced by other artists, and I got a lot of feedback saying that I sounded like Nas and AZ. Infinite was me trying to figure out how I wanted my rap style to be, how I wanted to sound on the mic and present myself. It was a growing stage. I felt like Infinite was like a demo that just got pressed up."
Infinite had really good lyrics, but I ****ing thought I was listening to AZ, like literally.

[Clippersfan86]

Honestly if we are going to talk about originality and being a unique artist Eminem beats Nas in that regard. I know many artists that remind me of Nas in some way and none who remind me of Eminem. Maybe for Infinite Eminem was biting a bit of AZ's or Nas' style but I think at that age as a new rapper trying to come up, especially a white one.. that it's forgivable.

[Clippersfan86]

He's a great rapper, no doubt, but he's very overrated.

I don't get how you could be considered a top 5 GOAT level rapper and be overrated though.

[RRR3]

I don't get how you could be considered a top 5 GOAT level rapper and be overrated though.
He's not top 5 :facepalm

[Clippersfan86]

He's not top 5 :facepalm

I'd say far more people consider him top 5 than not top 5. Even excluding all fans and just going with the opinions of people in the industry, critics and other artists.

[Legends66NBA7]

He's not top 5 :facepalm

Who's above him on you're list ?

[RRR3]

I'd say far more people consider him top 5 than not top 5. Even excluding all fans and just going with the opinions of people in the industry, critics and other artists.
The majority says a lot of things. Doesn't make them true. Ever heard of "argumentum ad populum"? It's a logical fallacy.

These guys I think are the top 5 and I don't think Eminem can be ranked over any of them...
1. 2Pac
2. Big L
3. Big Pun
4. Nas
5. Biggie Smalls

Plus, there are lots of other guys that have strong arguments to be over Eminem, such as KRS-One, Rakim, Immortal Technique, Mos Def, etc.

[Legends66NBA7]

The majority says a lot of things. Doesn't make them true. Ever heard of "argumentum ad populum"? It's a logical fallacy.

These guys I think are the top 5 and I don't think Eminem can be ranked over any of them...
1. 2Pac
2. Big L
3. Big Pun
4. Nas
5. Biggie Smalls

Plus, there are lots of other guys that have strong arguments to be over Eminem, such as KRS-One, Rakim, Immortal Technique, Mos Def, etc.

Agree to Disagree.

I don't see Pun or B.I.G. over Eminem, personally, but we all go different lists. They have an arguement though, as do the other you mentioned, but I would still take Eminem over them.

[RRR3]

Agree to Disagree.

I don't see Pun or B.I.G. over Eminem, personally, but we all go different lists. They have an arguement though, as do the other you mentioned, but I would still take Eminem over them.
Big Pun was incredible. He's in the running with Big L for most skilled rapper of all time IMO. Biggie is more debatable but I'm pretty sure Eminem would put Biggie over himself. Also LEgends who is GP?

[daballa13]

LMFAO at the imbecile who said Kanye killed Eminem on 'Forever' :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: . Honestly people are such ******gers and have no basis for a real argument, 'Ether' is one of the most overrated songs I've ever heard in my life. I mean come on Nas is such a great lyricist, why does he have to resort to childish shit like saying 'Gay-Z' and 'Cockafella Records' and talk about Jay's lips. That shit was weak son. 'God's son across the belly' WTF is this shit.

[RRR3]

LMFAO at the imbecile who said Kanye killed Eminem on 'Forever' :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: . Honestly people are such ******gers and have no basis for a real argument, 'Ether' is one of the most overrated songs I've ever heard in my life. I mean come on Nas is such a great lyricist, why does he have to resort to childish shit like saying 'Gay-Z' and 'Cockafella Records' and talk about Jay's lips. That shit was weak son. 'God's son across the belly' WTF is this shit.
As if Eminem doesn't resort to childish shit. :facepalm "Can-i-bitch?" Yeah, really mature. :rolleyes:

[Clippersfan86]

The majority says a lot of things. Doesn't make them true. Ever heard of "argumentum ad populum"? It's a logical fallacy.

These guys I think are the top 5 and I don't think Eminem can be ranked over any of them...
1. 2Pac
2. Big L
3. Big Pun
4. Nas
5. Biggie Smalls

Plus, there are lots of other guys that have strong arguments to be over Eminem, such as KRS-One, Rakim, Immortal Technique, Mos Def, etc.

Big L is EASILY the most overrated artist in history. People trying to claim he's top 5 make me sick, yes that includes your list. He made 2 fu**ing albums and of course since he died young everyone wants to overrate the living sh** out of him. Unlike Pac and BIG who made a ton of high quality material before they died, L wasn't sh** man.

Big Pun while extremely talented also died young before putting out much material. What the hell has Pun done for the game that puts him in the top 5? You put Pun above Biggie?!??! :facepalm :mad: .

My personal list of MAINSTREAM GOAT's.... would be more like.

1. Tupac
2. Eminem
3. Nas
4. B.I.G
5. Eric B and Rakim/Public Enemy (pick one)


Immortal Technique isn't considered mainstream and LOL at KRS-One and Mos Def.

[Clippersfan86]

LMFAO at the imbecile who said Kanye killed Eminem on 'Forever' :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: . Honestly people are such ******gers and have no basis for a real argument, 'Ether' is one of the most overrated songs I've ever heard in my life. I mean come on Nas is such a great lyricist, why does he have to resort to childish shit like saying 'Gay-Z' and 'Cockafella Records' and talk about Jay's lips. That shit was weak son. 'God's son across the belly' WTF is this shit.

On Forever... Drake has a better part than Kanye. In fact most consider Kanye easily the weakest on that track. I actually intentionally downloaded a version with Kanye cut out because he's so wack :roll: .

[Legends66NBA7]

Also LEgends who is GP?

I'll PM you.

[daballa13]

As if Eminem doesn't resort to childish shit. :facepalm "Can-i-bitch?" Yeah, really mature. :rolleyes:

What was so great about Ether please enlighten me. That shit was so ****ing weak yet people rave about how its the best diss song ever. Bitch please.

[PowerGlove]

LMFAO at the imbecile who said Kanye killed Eminem on 'Forever' :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: . Honestly people are such ******gers and have no basis for a real argument, 'Ether' is one of the most overrated songs I've ever heard in my life. I mean come on Nas is such a great lyricist, why does he have to resort to childish shit like saying 'Gay-Z' and 'Cockafella Records' and talk about Jay's lips. That shit was weak son. 'God's son across the belly' WTF is this shit.


[Drake]
Last name ever
First name greatest
Like a sprained ankle boy I aint nothing to play with
Started off local but thanks to all the haters
I know G4 pilots on a first name basis
In your city faded off the brown, Nino
She insists she got more class, we know
Swimming in the money come and find me, Nemo
If I was at the club you know I ball, chemo
Drop the mixtape that shit sounded like a album
Who'da thought a country wide tour'd be the outcome
Labels want my name beside the X like Malcolm
Everybody got a deal, I did it without one
Yeah ***** Im about my business
Killing all these rappers you would swear I had a hit list
Everyone who doubted me is asking for forgiveness
If you aint been a part of it at least you got to witness
Bitches

[Chorus]

[Kanye West]
I used to have hood dreams
Big fame, big chains
I stuck my dick inside this life until that bitch came
I went hard all fall like the ball teams
Just so I can make it rain all spring
Yall seen my story my glory
I had raped the game young
You can call it statutory
When a ***** blow up they gon build statures of me
Old money Benjamin Button, whaat, nuttin
Now superbad chicks giving me McLovin
You would think I ran the world like Michelles husband
You would think these ****** would know me when they really doesnt
Like they was down with the old me no you ****ing wasnt
Youre such a ****ing loser
He didnt even go to class Bueller
Trade the Grammy plaques just to have my granny back
Remember she had that bad hip like a fanny pack
Chasing the stardom will turn you into a maniac
All the way in Hollywood and I cant even act
They pull their cameras out and God damn they snap
I used to want this thing forever yall can have it back

[Chorus]

[Lil Wayne]
Ok, hello it's da Martian
Space jam Jordans
I want this shit forever wake up and smell the garden
Fresher than the harvest
Step up to the target
If I had one guess than I guess Im just New Orleans
And I will never stop like Im running from the cops
Hop up in my car and told my chauffeur to the top
Life is such a ****ing roller coaster then it drops
But what should I scream for this is my theme park
My minds shine even when my thoughts seem dark
Pistol on my side you dont wanna hear that thing talk
Let the king talk check the price and pay attention
Lil Wayne thats what they got to say or mention
Im like Nevada in the middle of the summer
Im resting in the lead I need a pillow and a cover
Shhh, my foots sleeping on the gas
No brake pads, no such thing as last

[Chorus]

[Eminem]
There they go, back in stadiums as Shady spits his flow
Nuts they go, macadamian they go so ballistic, whoa
We can make them look like Bozos
He's wondering if he should spit this slow
**** no! Go for broke
His cup just runneth over, oh no
He aint had a real buzz like this since the last time that he overdosed
Theyve been waiting patiently for Pinocchio to poke his nose
Back into the game and they know
Rap will never be the same as before
Bashing in the brains of these hoes
And establishing a name as he goes
The passion and the flame is ignited
You cant put it out once we light it
This shit is exactly what the **** that Im talking about when we riot
You dealin with a few true villains
Whose stand inside of the booth truth spillin
And spit true feelings, until our tooth fillings come flying up out of our mouths
Now rewind it!
Payback mutha****a for the way that you got at me hows it taste?
When I slap the taste out your mouth with the bass so loud that it shakes the place
Im Hannibal Lecter so just in case youre thinking of saving face
You aint gonna have no face to save by the time I'm through with this place
So Drake


Kanye had the best verse. His verse was actually relevant to the topic lol. WTF was em even talking about???

[RRR3]

Big L is EASILY the most overrated artist in history. People trying to claim he's top 5 make me sick, yes that includes your list. He made 2 fu**ing albums and of course since he died young everyone wants to overrate the living sh** out of him. Unlike Pac and BIG who made a ton of high quality material before they died, L wasn't sh** man.

Big Pun while extremely talented also died young before putting out much material. What the hell has Pun done for the game that puts him in the top 5? You put Pun above Biggie?!??! :facepalm :mad: .

My personal list of MAINSTREAM GOAT's.... would be more like.

1. Tupac
2. Eminem
3. Nas
4. B.I.G
5. Eric B and Rakim/Public Enemy (pick one)


Immortal Technique isn't considered mainstream and LOL at KRS-One and Mos Def.


Big L overrated? Are you an idiot? :facepalm :banghead: Most people these days don't even know who the **** he is, you dork. :hammerhead: Public Enemy is a group FYI :rolleyes:. And LOL @ Eminem being 2nd after 2Pac. :roll: Eminem homer calling Big L overrated...wow :hammerhead: And who said "mainstream"? That is irrelevant. Big L wasn't mainstream anyways, he died before he could sign with Jay-Z's label.

[daballa13]

Kanye had the best verse. His verse was actually relevant to the topic lol. WTF was em even talking about???

Your entire time in this thread you've sounded like nothing but a blatant Eminem hater who seems to discredit him in the dumbest ways. Are you related to Benzino or something because you sound dumb.

[Clippersfan86]

Big L overrated? Are you an idiot? :facepalm :banghead: Most people these days don't even know who the **** he is, you dork. :hammerhead: Public Enemy is a group FYI :rolleyes:. And LOL @ Eminem being 2nd after 2Pac. :roll: Eminem homer calling Big L overrated...wow :hammerhead: And who said "mainstream"? That is irrelevant. Big L wasn't mainstream anyways, he died before he could sign with Jay-Z's label.

Dude just your logic of putting a mostly unknown guy who made 2 albums as the 3rd best rapper ever or w/e is a big problem for me. That would be like calling Drazen Petrovic the 3rd best SG of all time or w/e based on his 4 seasons. You realize longevity, time as a top MC is a HUGE part of being on a top 5 list? If you don't even consider Big L mainstream he's disqualified from the premise of this thread anyways. BTW I know Public Enemy is a group.... I just consider them GOAT worthy. I suppose KRS One or Rakim would be my 5th, I prefer Rakim.

Maybe Big L was top 3 most talented ever... but top 3 MC's ever? NO.

[PowerGlove]

Your entire time in this thread you've sounded like nothing but a blatant Eminem hater who seems to discredit him in the dumbest ways. Are you related to Benzino or something because you sound dumb.

Your entire time in this thread you've sounded like nothing but a blatant Eminem d*ck-rider who tries to refute arguments in the most idiotic way possible. Are you related to Marshall Mathers or something because if you are incest is really looked down in North America.

[daballa13]

You can point out all the bullshit you want, in the end when it comes down to rapping and lyricism Eminem can't be touched by any of these other mainstream artists and you all know it.

[Knicks101]

Eminem and Big L are both horrible rappers, I feel dumber after reading an argument about which one is better.

[Premeditated]

You can point out all the bullshit you want, in the end when it comes down to rapping and lyricism Eminem can't be touched by any of these other mainstream artists and you all know it.
This is simply a matter of opinion but the fact that you're getting mad because he doesn't fukk with Feminem like you is intriguing. Fact is, he can't be the GOAT if black hip hop fans don't fukk with him. I don't like 2Pac but atleast every group of people somehow put hi in the GOAT list. You ask a white fan "I don't listen to hip hop but Eminem".:facepalm

That's his fanbase right there.

[Premeditated]

lol @ no other mainstream rapper can touch him. Jay alone would decimate him with 2 lines. Alot of people underrate Jay's wittiness. He says alot of clever sh1t when he ain't fukking around with Timbo. Eminem's diss lyrics appeal to white frat boys who think rapping about choking and sticking dildos up your ass are funny.

[verylegit]

lol @ no other mainstream rapper can touch him. Jay alone would decimate him with 2 lines. Alot of people underrate Jay's wittiness. He says alot of clever sh1t when he ain't fukking around with Timbo. Eminem's diss lyrics appeal to white frat boys who think rapping about choking and sticking dildos up your ass are funny.
all jay ever talks about is cuban cigars and maybachs...oh and him being "king of new york"

we all know that fella from queensbridge is the real king of new york.

[Premeditated]

all jay ever talks about is cuban cigars and maybachs...oh and him being "king of new york"

we all know that fella from queensbridge is the real king of new york.
man shut the fukk up. You've never listened to a Jay z album to say this dumb sh1t.

[Godzuki]

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Ron Artest?


doug heffernen

[Godzuki]

lol @ no other mainstream rapper can touch him. Jay alone would decimate him with 2 lines. Alot of people underrate Jay's wittiness. He says alot of clever sh1t when he ain't fukking around with Timbo. Eminem's diss lyrics appeal to white frat boys who think rapping about choking and sticking dildos up your ass are funny.


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[Clippersfan86]

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Haha yea nobody would take you guys seriously saying Jay Z would destroy Em... :roll: :roll: . LL Cool J>>>Jay Z.

[Premeditated]

Haha yea nobody would take you guys seriously saying Jay Z would destroy Em... :roll: :roll: . LL Cool J>>>Jay Z>>>>>>>Em.
now you get it.

[catch24]

LL Cool J>>>Jay Z.

Yup. LL = chemical; explosion

www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YhiSQ41QuY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01xa3syFbVc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YftWga1rPc

[Clippersfan86]

now you get it.

Go on a date with me. Your intelligence is hot and irresistible. :cheers:

[tomtucker]

lol @ no other mainstream rapper can touch him. Jay alone would decimate him with 2 lines. Alot of people underrate Jay's wittiness. He says alot of clever sh1t when he ain't fukking around with Timbo. Eminem's diss lyrics appeal to white frat boys who think rapping about choking and sticking dildos up your ass are funny.
damn...ban this cracker already..........:lol

[Clippersfan86]

Yup. LL = chemical; explosion

www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YhiSQ41QuY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01xa3syFbVc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YftWga1rPc

Jay Z has to be the hands down most universally overrated artist ever. He's a business man, not a legit MC. Dude is all about money and showmanship. What does he rap about? Money, girls, slangin? What else? About how great he is like on the Encore album? I mean the dude sure gets a lot of praise he didn't earn. Not saying Jay has no talent but second tier guys like LL Cool J and Ice Cube would rip him a new as*hole.

[PowerGlove]

Jay Z has to be the hands down most universally overrated artist ever. He's a business man, not a legit MC. Dude is all about money and showmanship. What does he rap about? Money, girls, slangin? What else? About how great he is like on the Encore album? I mean the dude sure gets a lot of praise he didn't earn. Not saying Jay has no talent but second tier guys like LL Cool J and Ice Cube would rip him a new as*hole.
Jay-z masterfully crafts his lyrics, just like Eminem. He refers to his time selling coke a lot, while Eminem constantly spits some violent bullshit.

There are Jay-z songs where the main message isnt drug focused. If that's all you ever hear from him you havent heard much.

There isnt anyway you can listen to songs like: "Moment of Clarity","So Ambitious",Meet The Parents", "Heart of The City", "Guns & Roses","Minority Report","Lost One","No Hook","Success","Murder to Excellence",etc... and say" all jay raps about is coke, money and other bullshit".

[DevilsAssassin]

Jay Z has to be the hands down most universally overrated artist ever. He's a business man, not a legit MC. Dude is all about money and showmanship. What does he rap about? Money, girls, slangin? What else? About how great he is like on the Encore album? I mean the dude sure gets a lot of praise he didn't earn. Not saying Jay has no talent but second tier guys like LL Cool J and Ice Cube would rip him a new as*hole.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[guy]

Maybe Canibus is a worthy adversary but I don't respect the fact that he's tried to make a career attacking other artists and getting beat down. That's how 50 Cent was too. Get famous by starting beef with everyone.


Ummm, Eminem tried to make himself bigger by dissing defenseless pop stars.



Remind me what happened after 50 and Eminem ripped Ja on multiple tracks? He fu**ing vanished bro. If you ether somebody you don't disappear.

Ja was pretty much already done way before Eminem ever got involved. Along with Em, Jay, and Nelly, he was the most popular rapper in the world because he became an R&B rapper. Once 50 got big though and there beef became more mainstream, he was pretty much done. Ja then released the album "Blood in my Eye" which was more hard and underground and not nearly as mainstream as his previous few albums. It was pretty much an all-out diss album to Shady and G-Unit. Thats when he started his beef with Eminem. He was already pretty much done before.



Nas can't touch Slim Shady LP, Marshall Mathers LP or Recovery. I have.... It Was Written and Illmatic and sure there are a few great tracks on each but if you listen to the 3 Eminem albums I just named... literally every single track is good. Every single track is fire.

Wow, thats a first. I've never heard anyone put any of Eminem's albums in the same sentence as Illmatic, and I don't think I've ever heard them in the same sentence as It Was Written either. So songs like "Real Slim Shady" are better then songs on Illmatic? :oldlol:



As for saying Jay Z is getting blind hate look at his fu**ing material dude. He started with club songs like "Big Pimpin" to really get on the map and ended with stuff like "Encore" etc. Guy is a total glam rocker. All he's ever rapped about was projects, slanging, girls, money and power. He has absolutely zero versatility in his lyrics and is the cockiest MC I've seen in my lifetime.


Jay got big like 5 years before Big Pimpin. You clearly haven't heard enough of Jay. It sounds like most of the material you have heard was post-retirement or something. His biggest praise was that he had the greatest balance of commercial appeal and real hip hop appeal and even with his commercial music, you never got the feeling that he wasn't being himself unlike other rappers. Even more so then Eminem. And the criticism on Jay-z's commercial success is funny to hear from such a huge Eminem fan. Songs like "Without Me", "Just Lose It", and "Ass Like That" are some of the worst hip hops songs ever, and easily worse then anything Jay has ever done. The funny thing is I have a feeling Eminem would tell you that himself.



Even his mixtapes and collaborations. I mean think about tracks like "Till I Collapse" which is a classic but not on a main album. Eminem has sadly become very underrated among a certain crowd. Because he's white.. or because he doesn't rap about pus*y, money, drugs and power over and over like 95 percent of the black mainstream rappers... he can't move up their all time ranking.

Till I Collapse was on Eminem Show.



Big L is EASILY the most overrated artist in history. People trying to claim he's top 5 make me sick, yes that includes your list. He made 2 fu**ing albums and of course since he died young everyone wants to overrate the living sh** out of him. Unlike Pac and BIG who made a ton of high quality material before they died, L wasn't sh** man.

Big Pun while extremely talented also died young before putting out much material. What the hell has Pun done for the game that puts him in the top 5? You put Pun above Biggie?!??!

Do you realize that Biggie has only 2 albums himself? (Those other albums don't count, they were mostly mixes with old verses) Not saying either one is better or not, but L and Pun have almost just as much material as BIG. Not a good argument you're using here.

Seriously man, how old are you? Because I don't think you can be any older then like 17. You ignore Illmatic and the impact it had on hip-hop, actually thinking shit like Recovery is better. You think Jay-Z was nothing but a commercial rapper like he was Nelly or Diddy or Britney Spears or someone like that. You don't know that one of your favorite rappers' best songs was actually on one of his ALBUMS. And you argue that Big L and Big Pun aren't as good as Biggie because of LONGEVITY.

Nothing wrong with being young. I guess its just personal preference for you, and I guess that changes per generation. IMO ability-wise, Eminem is up there with the best of them. I can't deny that. But while I love alot of his sh*t, at the same time I absolutely hate alot of his sh*t. So I can never really like him that much. IMO he's never been the songwriter dudes like Pac, Nas, and Jay were. I don't know I guess its just personal preference. I personally hate alot of his content.

Listening to him bitch about his mom is like listening to those kids complain that there daddy never loved them. Listening to him bitch about Kim is like listening to that friend that always down and depressed cause he's always complaining about his girlfriend and how much they argue cause of how much of a bitch she is. Listening to him constantly talk about his daughter is like listening to that co-worker that always talks about his kids and there soccer games or how they have to take them to doctor and shit like that. That type of shit is annoying, and not something really interesting to me. And thats a huge chunk of his stuff along with the ridiculous bullshit he comes up with like I mentioned above and dissing pop stars and rappers that really are like D-League NBA players compared to him. I really don't understand how people love that shit so much, but oh well, like I said thats personal preference I guess.

[Quizno]

another thread with posters thinking taste in music is objective :facepalm

this whole "rapper A would murder rapper B" thing is so corny

[guy]

Eminem = Kobe Bryant
Jay-Z and Nas = Shaq and Duncan
2pac and Biggie = Magic and Bird
Wu-Tang = Early 70s Knicks
Rakim, KRS One, BDK, Kool G Rap, LL Cool J = Wilt, Russell, Baylor, Oscar, West

No Jordan, cause no one has ever been that dominant :D

[joe]

Listening to him bitch about his mom is like listening to those kids complain that there daddy never loved them. Listening to him bitch about Kim is like listening to that friend that always down and depressed cause he's always complaining about his girlfriend and how much they argue cause of how much of a bitch she is. Listening to him constantly talk about his daughter is like listening to that co-worker that always talks about his kids and there soccer games or how they have to take them to doctor and shit like that. That type of shit is annoying, and not something really interesting to me. And thats a huge chunk of his stuff along with the ridiculous bullshit he comes up with like I mentioned above and dissing pop stars and rappers that really are like D-League NBA players compared to him. I really don't understand how people love that shit so much, but oh well, like I said thats personal preference I guess.

I think when you get down to it, rappers are just prone to be boring. Because they're mostly not real artists, they're mostly self promoters. They talk about their own past, their own history. As opposed to great rock music, which usually talks about raw human emotion, or things we can all relate to.

It's all about telling a story. While Eminem's story may not appeal to you, 50 cent's may not appeal to others. And though Eminem constantly bitches about the same shit, at least he's weird and strange and original about it. A lot of other rappers, like 50 cent for example... are not only predictable in their story, but predictable in their flow and delivery.

I think Jayz does a great job of consistently bringing new flows and delivery, and I also give credit to a few other rappers in that respect. But for the most part, it's just all EHHhhh

[B-Easy8]

Eminem = Kobe Bryant
Jay-Z and Nas = Shaq and Duncan
2pac and Biggie = Magic and Bird
Wu-Tang = Early 70s Knicks
Rakim, KRS One, BDK, Kool G Rap, LL Cool J = Wilt, Russell, Baylor, Oscar, West

No Jordan, cause no one has ever been that dominant :D

I don't understand all the love for Jay-Z. In my opinion he is the most overrated rapper ever, he really isn't that good.

[bdreason]

I have a friend who is an Eminem fan and he gets so butthurt when I talk bad about Marshal Mathers. Look, Em put out a couple great albums, and some great songs... but his last few albums have been whizack. I doubt many of the real hip-hop industry leaders / veterans / artists would anoint Eminem GOAT rapper. In fact, I bet most of them wouldn't.




Greatest white rapper? Probably. :oldlol:

[bdreason]

I don't understand all the love for Jay-Z. In my opinion he is the most overrated rapper ever, he really isn't that good.


Jay-Z came into an industry with a huge void, and he filled that void. I've never been a fan of Jay-Z, but like Mike Tyson, I can't blame him for beating bums.

[Godzuki]

I think when you get down to it, rappers are just prone to be boring. Because they're mostly not real artists, they're mostly self promoters. They talk about their own past, their own history. As opposed to great rock music, which usually talks about raw human emotion, or things we can all relate to.

It's all about telling a story. While Eminem's story may not appeal to you, 50 cent's may not appeal to others. And though Eminem constantly bitches about the same shit, at least he's weird and strange and original about it. A lot of other rappers, like 50 cent for example... are not only predictable in their story, but predictable in their flow and delivery.

I think Jayz does a great job of consistently bringing new flows and delivery, and I also give credit to a few other rappers in that respect. But for the most part, it's just all EHHhhh


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[RidonKs]

Nas can't touch Slim Shady LP, Marshall Mathers LP or Recovery. I have.... It Was Written and Illmatic and sure there are a few great tracks on each but if you listen to the 3 Eminem albums I just named... literally every single track is good. Every single track is fire.
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