BREAKING NEWS: NBA and NBPA meeting Wednesday

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alanhahn Alan Hahn
Source confirms to Newsday that #NBA and #NBPA will resume talks Wednesday in Manhattan. #fb


Maybe they just meet for the free lunches.:confusedshrug:






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[Dizzle-2k7]

fukk the players whinin ass bitches

[G-Funk]

fukk em all

[DuMa]

i know no progress will be made yet i fall for it everytime like a hopeless sucker.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Same old shit. Just a different day.

[The Macho Man]

Kobe's knee is 100 percent and he has given Fish the go ahead to end the lockout.

[PacerRaptor]

until Nov 15th, we're not going to see the players give in...once that pay check doesnt come in...theyre going to hold up strong

[with malice]

I think it's a bit unfair to be categorizing the players as "to blame". There's definitely more than enough (blame) to go around. Neither side's been particularly flexible.
Still, I think PacerRaptor's right. Nothing's going to happen until the players start missing some paychecks.

[d.bball.guy]

Oh oh oh oh, I see them doing Theoo's suggestion. I emailed Stern and the union about it. :rockon: :bowdown: Theoo

[Lucifer]

I bet if the heads of both sides were white we'd be enjoying pre-season games right now.

[DevilsAssassin]

[QUOTE]
"Fighting over 3 percent, that

[dbugz]

Are they going to have a press conference again and tell everyone that there's still a little progress? :facepalm

[PacerRaptor]

I bet if the heads of both sides were white we'd be enjoying pre-season games right now.
:facepalm :no:

[DirtySanchez]

I bet if the heads of both sides were white we'd be enjoying pre-season games right now.

And basketball would be boring

[Lucifer]

:facepalm :no:

Its the truth. I mean basically we have educated white men who went to school on one side. Then we have hoodrats in suits on the other side thinking their the black panthers.

[OmniStrife]

fukk em all
+1

[Plat]

Its the truth. I mean basically we have educated white men who went to school on one side. Then we have hoodrats in suits on the other side thinking their the black panthers.

What if it got separated into an all-white league and and all-black league? would you watch the white players or the "hoodrats"

[The_Yearning]

What if it got separated into an all-white league and and all-black league? would you watch the white players or the "hoodrats"

Are you an idiot? It already is.

All-white league = Owners

Hoodrats = Players

We watching the players, but everyone knows the white man is running the show upstairs.

[RazorBaLade]

Beasley always keeps it real

how does that moron not understand the big issue is hardcap, mle and changing the entire system not 3%?

[bagelred]

I bet if the heads of both sides were white we'd be enjoying pre-season games right now.

Exactly. I mean, if this were the NHL, where both sides were white, we'd NEVER have any sort of labor dispute....am i right, people?

[Clutch]

Same old shit. Just a different day.
This.
I expect another "little to no progress" response after the meeting.

[HylianNightmare]

sure it won't lead to anything

[hoopslife]

So what exactly happened to the 50/50 ultimatum? lol

Is anything going to get done today... Heck no.





http://www.sportsdivide.com

[Chalkmaze]

Exactly. I mean, if this were the NHL, where both sides were white, we'd NEVER have any sort of labor dispute....am i right, people?

Swish!

:basketball

[Crown&Coke]

fukk em all

I agree with G-Funk

All thats gonna come out is Adam Silver spews his bullshit. Hunter and Fish spew their bullshit, Stern goes on every radio show and talks about how the union is the problem. Both sides blame the other, the Mediator says he can't say anything, and not a damn thing happens except the owners now want 52% instead of 50 and all the players are gonna twitter-er their nonsense (although we might get a crazy quote from KMart or someone else super crazy so thats something I'm hopeful about)

[AMISTILLILL]

I agree with G-Funk

All thats gonna come out is Adam Silver spews his bullshit. Hunter and Fish spew their bullshit, Stern goes on every radio show and talks about how the union is the problem. Both sides blame the other, the Mediator says he can't say anything, and not a damn thing happens except the owners now want 52% instead of 50 and all the players are gonna twitter-er their nonsense (although we might get a crazy quote from KMart or someone else super crazy so thats something I'm hopeful about)

I'm pretty sure the mediator is gone.

[Clippersfan86]

Beasley always keeps it real

:roll: Beasley is a pain in the as* but I do love a player willing to speak his mind like this.

[Clippersfan86]

+1

Where can I get my frog Avatar? :D . Clippers one obviously.

[Rab]

:roll: Beasley is a pain in the as* but I do love a player willing to speak his mind like this.
He wasn't exactly "P.C." in his statement, but it was probably one of the more intelligent things he has ever said.

[Clippersfan86]

He wasn't exactly "P.C." in his statement, but it was probably one of the more intelligent things he has ever said.

:applause: . Exactly why I liked it haha. I prefer honest players in general. It's my biggest problem with players nowadays. Everyone is so controlled and PC. So falsely humble. I want a new Dennis Rodman to come into the game who wants to be the bad guy. Who speaks the truth no matter the consequences etc. Just a REAL human being.

[Rab]

i know no progress will be made yet i fall for it everytime like a hopeless sucker.
You wouldn't be alone there. I'll be watching NBATV waiting for the news conferences that reveal nothing was accomplished.

Like a moth the flame brother.

[Plat]

I think this is just another media ploy....aint shit gonna happen anytime soon

F*CK BOTH SIDES

[niko]

Players need to cave. This is stupid. Basically, they can eithe
1) Cave now and get their whole salary.
OR
1) Hold firm and come back with a new deal later on.
2) While holding firm, play overseas for less money than they would get here.

So basically they could win but lose because they'd lose more money than the would get back over the length of a 7 year deal.

Give it up. YOU LOST. The owners have more leverage. The second the players said "owners are losing money but not quite as much as they say" they lost. The second they implied a new deal might be needed.

Anyone seriously think the union holds firm when the have's are getting deals overseas and the have nots have no jobs at all? BTW, i'm pro player. My team's owner (the knicks) would go to war with last year's system in a heartbeat, with no cap in a heartbeat. Basically NY, we are on the players side. But they are not going to win.

[Sarcastic]

Players need to cave. This is stupid. Basically, they can eithe
1) Cave now and get their whole salary.
OR
1) Hold firm and come back with a new deal later on.
2) While holding firm, play overseas for less money than they would get here.

So basically they could win but lose because they'd lose more money than the would get back over the length of a 7 year deal.

Give it up. YOU LOST. The owners have more leverage. The second the players said "owners are losing money but not quite as much as they say" they lost. The second they implied a new deal might be needed.

Anyone seriously think the union holds firm when the have's are getting deals overseas and the have nots have no jobs at all? BTW, i'm pro player. My team's owner (the knicks) would go to war with last year's system in a heartbeat, with no cap in a heartbeat. Basically NY, we are on the players side. But they are not going to win.

Why would they cave now when they haven't even heard back from the NLRB?

[Plat]

Are you an idiot? It already is.

All-white league = Owners

Hoodrats = Players

We watching the players, but everyone knows the white man is running the show upstairs.

YOU are the idiot, did you not read white "players" in the quote, or are you an idiot that cant read too. Stop being a dimwit for once in your life.

[Plat]

Exactly. I mean, if this were the NHL, where both sides were white, we'd NEVER have any sort of labor dispute....am i right, people?


:lol :lol

[niko]

Why would they cave now when they haven't even heard back from the NLRB?
They only win if they win NOW, if somehow the owners are forced right now to implemenet a similar system. If the NLRB comes back and they win but it becomes a long drawn out thing, they will still lose even if the terms of this current CBA are applied going forward.

They've lost. THey really have. Remember, the NLRB to get the players CBA applied has to prove the owners are having an unfair work enviorment. It's not. Otherwise what are they trying for?

People confuse being pro-player with being unrealistc. Thinking the players will win at the moment strikes me as at best, improbable.

[Crown&Coke]

I'm pretty sure the mediator is gone.

really?

damn....

[DMAVS41]

They only win if they win NOW, if somehow the owners are forced right now to implemenet a similar system. If the NLRB comes back and they win but it becomes a long drawn out thing, they will still lose even if the terms of this current CBA are applied going forward.

They've lost. THey really have. Remember, the NLRB to get the players CBA applied has to prove the owners are having an unfair work enviorment. It's not. Otherwise what are they trying for?

People confuse being pro-player with being unrealistc. Thinking the players will win at the moment strikes me as at best, improbable.

Its really not about taking a side. I'm sure everyone here thinks I'm pro owner. Not really. I just understand their stance. They have negotiating leverage and they are using. It makes business sense. They have the power, money, and leverage to get what they want....or at least close to it.

The players' position doesn't make sense because each day they lose money they can never get back....and their position is weakened. Some owners actually want there not to be a season. Its actually better for a majority of owners financially under the current system and climate. So again, that position make sense.

What doesn't make sense is for players to not take the best deal available and hold out while losing 2.1 billion dollars in the process that can never be made up.

The problem is that players are operating out of pride, ego, and principal. All the things you should never use in a negotiation. As you said, they've lost....unless something crazy happens and the big market owners just agree to absurdly high levels of revenue sharing and agree to not spend over a certain amount of money in salary each year. And that probably would be considered collusion and the players would have a problem with that as well.

[chips93]

adrian wojo of yahoo sports tweeted these;


Clearly, the NBA and NBPA made some measure of progress talking quietly over last 48-72 hours leading into bargaining session today in NY. - 11 mins ago


Two sources -- one on ownership side, one union -- with direct knowledge of latest proposals are encouraged with movement on both sides. - 19 mins ago

wojo is rarely wrong or speculative so these are small but good signs for all of you pessimists. there will be a season! i can feel it! :rockon:

[Clutch]

adrian wojo of yahoo sports tweeted these;

- 11 mins ago

- 19 mins ago

wojo is rarely wrong or speculative so these are small but good signs for all of you pessimists. there will be a season! i can feel it! :rockon:
in b4 "no progress was made" :lol

[Theoo's Daddy]

adrian wojo of yahoo sports tweeted these;

- 11 mins ago

- 19 mins ago

wojo is rarely wrong or speculative so these are small but good signs for all of you pessimists. there will be a season! i can feel it! :rockon:


:roll: dont get your hopes too high..

[Plat]

Lets start a countdown to the "no progress was made"

[Sarcastic]

They only win if they win NOW, if somehow the owners are forced right now to implemenet a similar system. If the NLRB comes back and they win but it becomes a long drawn out thing, they will still lose even if the terms of this current CBA are applied going forward.

They've lost. THey really have. Remember, the NLRB to get the players CBA applied has to prove the owners are having an unfair work enviorment. It's not. Otherwise what are they trying for?

People confuse being pro-player with being unrealistc. Thinking the players will win at the moment strikes me as at best, improbable.

Taking the deal now means a HUGE loss for them. Over $1.8 billion for 10 years. Getting a win from the NLRB means they will still give back money, just not quite that much. More along the lines of what they have conceded, which is $1 billion.

[guy]

They seemed pretty dead set on canceling an extra 2 weeks, so them holding off on that all of a sudden has to mean something good.

There's this also:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7153013/sources-lebron-james-carmelo-anthony-chris-paul-world-all-star-classic

Hopefully this is a sign as well. Lebron, Melo, CP3, Rose, and Westbrook have all pulled out of this tour. I believe they're all giving up close to a million each by doing that. As rich as they are, thats still a whole lot of money, not to mention the fact that they maybe giving up salary with the lockout. You would think if there was no positive sign of it ending soon, they would stay around. Not to mention I believe there was a clause that if the lockout ended, the tour would be over. There's no risk in doing the tour, but they are botching it anyway.

[B]

Taking the deal now means a HUGE loss for them. Over $1.8 billion for 10 years. Getting a win from the NLRB means they will still give back money, just not quite that much. More along the lines of what they have conceded, which is $1 billion.

The NLRB doesn't make rulings. All they do is make recommendations to the courts that they feel one side or the other is at fault and it has to be a glaring fault. Even if the NLRB said you're right the owners have been bargaining in bad faith the case goes to the courts. Even if they win they lose it could take years to sort out. It's only been the threat of losing that they hoped would be enough to move the owners. But clearly the owners are not afraid of the NLRB

In the thread here on ISH discussing NLRB ruling there's a link to a podcast with a legal expert on the NLRB and how it operates. This NLRB ruling has been greatly over played to the weight it carries

[GOBB]

Lockout ended!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMbTnXFgGP8)

:banana:

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Rick Trolled?

[Clippersfan86]

Lockout ended!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMbTnXFgGP8)

:banana:

:( WHY GOBB? WHY!?

[bagelred]

F-ck BASKETBALL.

Thank god for the World Series tonight. If it wasn't for that, I might just kill myself.

Good old baseball.....never lets you down. :cheers:

[GOBB]

Rick Trolled?

Even better. :oldlol:

[GOBB]

:( WHY GOBB? WHY!?

Whats a lockout bro? So says S.Jackson. :lol

[Clippersfan86]

Whats a lockout bro? So says S.Jackson. :lol

:mad: :rant

[Rab]

Lockout ended!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMbTnXFgGP8)

:banana:
That was cold, bro. :oldlol:

[Clutch]

That was cold, bro. :oldlol:
Don't tell me someone believed it ?

[AI3Anthony]

F-ck BASKETBALL.

Thank god for the World Series tonight. If it wasn't for that, I might just kill myself.

Good old baseball.....never lets you down. :cheers:

Game was announced postponed hours ago. LOL

[Rab]

Don't tell me someone believed it ?
I did. I'm at work and all I heard earlier was there's progress, so I was all excited. :oldlol:

[niko]

F-ck BASKETBALL.

Thank god for the World Series tonight. If it wasn't for that, I might just kill myself.

Good old baseball.....never lets you down. :cheers:
Dude, its COLD. People might get slightly chilled feet. Have to cancel the game. 40% chance of rain you know...

[FF1]

@WojYahooNBA: A league source wired into bargaining session tells Y!: "There's a deal to be had if everyone shows a little flexibility."

[G-Funk]

Fukk em all. Thats how i feel about this. They better get something going before Dec. Or im giving up on this greedy league. They should learned something from us fans. We lose money to see them play, i spent $500 to go see a playoff game and the seats wearnt that close to the court. We do it for the love of the game. These a******s are not gonna go hungry, they make millions to do something they love.

[chips93]

@WojYahooNBA: A league source wired into bargaining session tells Y!: "There's a deal to be had if everyone shows a little flexibility."

just about to post this. another good sign. wojo is great

[sixer6ad]

Totally torn on this one. Part of me wants to see all of these egomaniacs fail. I get to read about Al Horford saying how much money they've given to the owners throughout the years. Hell...let the players start picking up air fair and meal money and uniforms and...

People pay to see the product, but the owners - who are losing millions of dollars - just want to create a fairer system. It's all f-'d up, we are emotional, and none of them care.

I just want this lockout to get to an * on the season in case any teams south of Orlando win it all.

Kind of tired of all it and excited about college hoops.

[niko]

Totally torn on this one. Part of me wants to see all of these egomaniacs fail. I get to read about Al Horford saying how much money they've given to the owners throughout the years. Hell...let the players start picking up air fair and meal money and uniforms and...

People pay to see the product, but the owners - who are losing millions of dollars - just want to create a fairer system. It's all f-'d up, we are emotional, and none of them care.

I just want this lockout to get to an * on the season in case any teams south of Orlando win it all.

Kind of tired of all it and excited about college hoops.
Every one of you who talks like this would be upset if someone suddenly cut your salary. I know you make X, put im going to take 20% away, and keep it for myself. And you'd say "Sure, i make enough. Please take it".

BULLSHIT. Total bullshit.

[Hammertime]

Every one of you who talks like this would be upset if someone suddenly cut your salary. I know you make X, put im going to take 20% away, and keep it for myself. And you'd say "Sure, i make enough. Please take it".

BULLSHIT. Total bullshit.

There's a difference between being upset and being a petulant child about it. If your boss were to do this, you may be upset, but what the hell would you do? Get another job that pays what you used to get or more? Great, except that no other league in the world pays 15 million a year.

[DFish]

Every one of you who talks like this would be upset if someone suddenly cut your salary. I know you make X, put im going to take 20% away, and keep it for myself. And you'd say "Sure, i make enough. Please take it".

BULLSHIT. Total bullshit.

Let's say I made $7.5 million per year in salary to do something fun, and my boss comes to me saying that our industry isn't as strong as it once was and that he'll need to cut salaries to keep the company competitive and functioning. I might be willing to hear him out, and maybe live on $6 million for a year for the sake of our company.

One thing I wouldn't do is refuse his offer and demand my asking price be met before I work one more solitary day. Of course, in this scenario I wouldn't be a part of some corrupt union, and my boss wouldn't be stuck in a hard place without other alternatives to hire; he'd just fire my ass and bring in a worker that'd be a bit more cooperative.

[B]

Every one of you who talks like this would be upset if someone suddenly cut your salary. I know you make X, put im going to take 20% away, and keep it for myself. And you'd say "Sure, i make enough. Please take it".

BULLSHIT. Total bullshit.Nobody is going to make less, the contracts they signed will still be honored. It's the new contracts that will be effected and mostly those of lower tier players, 30% of which don't even play in games anyways.

[ukfan22]

Let's say I made $7.5 million per year in salary to do something fun, and my boss comes to me saying that our industry isn't as strong as it once was and that he'll need to cut salaries to keep the company competitive and functioning. I might be willing to hear him out, and maybe live on $6 million for a year for the sake of our company.

One thing I wouldn't do is refuse his offer and demand my asking price be met before I work one more solitary day. Of course, in this scenario I wouldn't be a part of some corrupt union, and my boss wouldn't be stuck in a hard place without other alternatives to hire; he'd just fire my ass and bring in a worker that'd be a bit more cooperative.

In most industries, the employees are not the product.

But I see your point.

[outbreak]

One thing people also need to remember when they go into their complaining mode is that the players AGREED in the last cba that when it expired the owners could lock them out as long as they wanted to.

[AI3Anthony]

Any news if there was progress tonight?

[Haymaker]

You guys defending the owners, but most owners are not worried about the quality of the league. They care about their own pockets yet after this lockout they'll keep hiring incompetent personnel to run their teams. The problem is in the badly run front offices. The front office who gives an undeserved huge contract is as much to blame as the undeserving player. It's a gamble, they have to live with it.

[Skywalker]

I would kill for basketball right now LMAO, I thought I didn't care but my body today jsut realized its supposed to be basketball season right now and it kicked in, where is it? World series is on TV im bout to swanton bomb from a skyscraper if i have to watch baseball

[UtahJazzFan88]

Every one of you who talks like this would be upset if someone suddenly cut your salary. I know you make X, put im going to take 20% away, and keep it for myself. And you'd say "Sure, i make enough. Please take it".

BULLSHIT. Total bullshit.

Happens all the time in the US due to the economy, that's what job cuts and salary cuts are to businesses so they can still manage and not be in the red, similar to what the NBA is doing in a way.

I realize that some of these owners are going to be greedy about it, but in the end, the majority are losing money and need to restructure the revenue so that every team is at least operating decently.

[hoopaddict08]

Who can hold out longer; the billionaire or the millionaire?

[B-Low]

Who can hold out longer; the billionaire or the millionaire?

Billionaires. Every time.

The billionaires have gone to school, worked their way up corporate ladders, learned the ins and outs of the business world and negotiating.

The millionaires in this case, like to play basketball and spend way too much on clothes, houses and cars

I'm not picking either side but I really think the players are just wasting time thinking they can win this...

[FF1]

I don't see how they can get anything done towards the end of any of these marathon sessions. I know I'm not mentally all there after a 10+ hour meeting.

[dbugz]

They're there for almost 11+ hours already? :wtf:

Are they after a Guinness record or something?

[DuMa]

They're there for almost 11+ hours already? :wtf:

Are they after a Guinness record or something?
they met 2 weeks ago for more than 16 hours.

[Rab]

Every one of you who talks like this would be upset if someone suddenly cut your salary. I know you make X, put im going to take 20% away, and keep it for myself. And you'd say "Sure, i make enough. Please take it".

BULLSHIT. Total bullshit.
This is happening everyday to thousands of American workers. I work for one of the biggest corporations in the country. When the economy turned, the powers that be had to find ways to build capital in order to keep their financial rating in tact. They did so by forcing their workers to take a pay cut and lessoning employee benefits, and we're not millionaires. It's hard for anyone to relate to someone who makes millions and is asked to take less millions. Nobody likes taking less money, but more money is not the world in which we live right now.

[Grinder]

WojYahooNBA NBA and NBPA are making progress on system issues, including luxury tax, three sources with knowledge tell Y!

Watch them come out of the meeting saying that someone got mad at someone and all the progress was scrapped and they go ahead cancel another month of the season.

[dbugz]

I hope KG, Kobe and PP are already sleeping by this time. Someone pls. keep away those three from their phones. :lol

[outbreak]

What i'm hearing off twitter feeds seems real good. Apparently players willing to drop the BRI lower then 53% as owners are conceding on other issues. I'll believe it when they announce it though...

[Rab]

What i'm hearing off twitter feeds seems real good. Apparently players willing to drop the BRI lower then 53% as owners are conceding on other issues. I'll believe it when they announce it though...
I have a feeling this will be the only way this deal gets done. Get the smaller system issues completed, then figure out the BRI percentages based on the outcomes and agreements on the other issues.

[entropy35]

My prediction, they get a deal done in 2 weeks.

[d.bball.guy]

Theoo's idea keepin'em busy :applause:

[Noof]

Theoo's idea keepin'em busy :applause:
They're using 12 minute quarters so this will probably be the longest meeting yet!

[guy]

This is happening everyday to thousands of American workers. I work for one of the biggest corporations in the country. When the economy turned, the powers that be had to find ways to build capital in order to keep their financial rating in tact. They did so by forcing their workers to take a pay cut and lessoning employee benefits, and we're not millionaires. It's hard for anyone to relate to someone who makes millions and is asked to take less millions. Nobody likes taking less money, but more money is not the world in which we live right now.

And I'm sure many of you complained about it and tried to fight it as much as possible, or left for another job or at least tried to. Players have every right to fight for more even if they are already millionaires, especially when there expertise doesn't result in other comparable opportunities. At least when people like me and you get a paycut, its not as hard to find another job where you can get back to that level or close to it. I'm obviously not saying we have it better off then they do, but my point is its not exactly the same comparison.

[Rab]

And I'm sure many of you complained about it and tried to fight it as much as possible, or left for another job or at least tried to. Players have every right to fight for more even if they are already millionaires, especially when there expertise doesn't result in other comparable opportunities. At least when people like me and you get a paycut, its not as hard to find another job where you can get back to that level or close to it. I'm obviously not saying we have it better off then they do, but my point is its not exactly the same comparison.
No, we don't have the chance to fight it. It's take the lower salary, or don't take one at all, which is where the players find themselves right now. I understand it's not an exact comparison. My point is it's hard for the average worker to sympathize with anyone is who is being asked to take less money, let alone someone who makes the amount an athlete does, cause there is a decent chance they've already been asked to do themselves. 10% to the average salary is hurts a lot more than 10% of the average $5 million NBA salary.

[chazzy]

@sportsguy33
Bill Simmons
82-game NBA reg season + full playoffs still in play. Need done deal by weekend. Lots of optimism now. I'd be surprised if this fell apart.

@ChrisMannixSI
One source briefed on the talks Wednesday said agreement by the end of the week "very possible." "Lot of real progress tonight," source said

for what its worth..

[DuMa]

82 game season still in play? what the ****

[Clippersfan86]

@sportsguy33
Bill Simmons
82-game NBA reg season + full playoffs still in play. Need done deal by weekend. Lots of optimism now. I'd be surprised if this fell apart.

@ChrisMannixSI
One source briefed on the talks Wednesday said agreement by the end of the week "very possible." "Lot of real progress tonight," source said

for what its worth..

Players are gonna get worn the hell out. I think they should do 75 games or something... NOT 82. SO SO SO happy it looks this promising though. These writers have never sounded so confident.

[FF1]

After the last lockout they tried to fit as many games as possible in during the final months. I'd be shocked if they didn't do the same this time.

[OmniStrife]

@sportsguy33
Bill Simmons
82-game NBA reg season + full playoffs still in play. Need done deal by weekend. Lots of optimism now. I'd be surprised if this fell apart.

@ChrisMannixSI
One source briefed on the talks Wednesday said agreement by the end of the week "very possible." "Lot of real progress tonight," source said

for what its worth..

If they do keep the 82 games season.
Does that mean that the current games remain untouched (in terms of the teams playing, not the date of course.)

[FF1]

If they do keep the 82 games season.
Does that mean that the current games remain untouched (in terms of the teams playing, not the date of course.)

I'd imagine they'd have to re-look at arena availability.

[Rab]

I'd imagine they'd have to re-look at arena availability.
Right. To my knowledge, they've released those dates to book other events for the 2 weeks that were cancelled. I'm guessing not a lot were filled, but I find it hard to believe that an 82 game season would be possible. If I remember right, they had teams playing 3 nights in a row at times in 99 and that season started in Feb. A good 70-75 games might be as much as you could squeeze in if there were a deal here in the next few days. Still gotta have a FA period as well. With little time for training camps, injuries would have to be a worry, especially if you try to get in a full slate of games for the year.

[bdreason]

An 82 game season at this point would be ridiculous.


Give the teams a training camp and FA period to get their shit together, and then have a 50 game inter-conference season + regular playoffs.

[OmniStrife]

An 82 game season at this point would be ridiculous.


Give the teams a training camp and FA period to get their shit together, and then have a 50 game inter-conference season + regular playoffs.



Yeah but, if they do reach a deal by this weekend I see Stern pushing like hell towards that 82.

See, camps or FA period are non-lucrative unlike games.
He'd have them underlings play 3 games in a row to keep those profits at bay.

[The Macho Man]

This is the first thing Bill Simmons has ever said that didn't make me want to elbow him in the throat.

[FF1]

Progress made? No way!

[DuMa]

Stupid press conference. Absolutely unnecessary. Should have just shut up until tmw. Dont really need fisher to tell me no major progress has been made when no progress has been made all summer basically

[OmniStrife]

Stupid press conference. Absolutely unnecessary. Should have just shut up until tmw. Dont really need fisher to tell me no major progress has been made when no progress has been made all summer basically
Man, I can't even stand seeing his face now, just like Stern. :blah

[UtahJazzFan88]

Stupid press conference. Absolutely unnecessary. Should have just shut up until tmw. Dont really need fisher to tell me no major progress has been made when no progress has been made all summer basically

Agreed. Fisher keeps buzz killing.

[All Net]

All depends on the 50/50 spilt, unless players do give a little on that then i see no deal but if the owners give more on other things..the players may give in on that and we would have a deal.

[All Net]

@sportsguy33
Bill Simmons
82-game NBA reg season + full playoffs still in play. Need done deal by weekend. Lots of optimism now. I'd be surprised if this fell apart.

@ChrisMannixSI
One source briefed on the talks Wednesday said agreement by the end of the week "very possible." "Lot of real progress tonight," source said

for what its worth..

God I hope so...they are building up our hopes now with stuff like this.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

If they have an 82 game season they will stretch it out in the summer. That has already been discussed.... when the NBA used to end in late April, if a deal gets done and all 82 are played then the NBA reg. season would end in May..... and the "lost" month of games would be played during that time.

[MeLO MvP 15]

This is great but the key is that if they agree on minor things like exceptions, trade rules and free agency... it matters who is making the concessions on those things or if both sides finding a middle ground. It affects whats gonna happen with the big issues like the tax and BRI. I'd hate to see them have the framework of a CBA agreed to and then see it fall apart of a disagreement on the luxury tax or 1-2% of BRI. I think if the owners were smart they'd give up some concessions on minor system issues and then the players would probably accept a 50-50 or near it, just to save the season.

[RazorBaLade]

This is great but the key is that if they agree on minor things like exceptions, trade rules and free agency... it matters who is making the concessions on those things or if both sides finding a middle ground. It affects whats gonna happen with the big issues like the tax and BRI. I'd hate to see them have the framework of a CBA agreed to and then see it fall apart of a disagreement on the luxury tax or 1-2% of BRI. I think if the owners were smart they'd give up some concessions on minor system issues and then the players would probably accept a 50-50 or near it, just to save the season.

I think it'd be incredibly smart on the players part as well.. Imagine they give up lots of leverage in the BRI but try to win the minor system issues, in the eye of the average fan this is them coming out into a press conference and saying we went down from 57% to 49, we gave up billions so you can watch us play. They completely win the press game that the owners have been winning thus far.

[Jon_Koncak]

If they have an 82 game season they will stretch it out in the summer. That has already been discussed.... when the NBA used to end in late April, if a deal gets done and all 82 are played then the NBA reg. season would end in May..... and the "lost" month of games would be played during that time.

What about the olympics team?If that's the case and NBA ends in July i can see Usa sending college players.Not that Stern or Owners would lose sleep over it

[guy]

Agreed. Fisher keeps buzz killing.

If Fisher is being a buzzkill but Stern and Silver are looking happy as hell, it means one thing. The players are giving in. Could care less though. I just want basketball.

[guy]

No, we don't have the chance to fight it. It's take the lower salary, or don't take one at all, which is where the players find themselves right now. I understand it's not an exact comparison. My point is it's hard for the average worker to sympathize with anyone is who is being asked to take less money, let alone someone who makes the amount an athlete does, cause there is a decent chance they've already been asked to do themselves. 10% to the average salary is hurts a lot more than 10% of the average $5 million NBA salar y.

Okay, or find a new job. Happens all the time. When employers make pay cuts they EXPECT people to leave. Who said anything about sympathizing with the player? Never said we should. Just saying its stupid to label them as rich selfish greedy as*holes for this.

[JohnnySic]

Sounds like good news, now lets get the deal done!

[nathanjizzle]

wt jazz

[Clutch]

Still I don't see enough positive things.
I don't think the lockout will end anytime soon.

[bagelred]

Still I don't see enough positive things.
I don't think the lockout will end anytime soon.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-52YT9zp5YSI/Tf6mhAOUSSI/AAAAAAAAAis/X3JZnwvzZJ4/s1600/Debbie+Downer.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9zJHvCsmOI

[MeLO MvP 15]

I think it'd be incredibly smart on the players part as well.. Imagine they give up lots of leverage in the BRI but try to win the minor system issues, in the eye of the average fan this is them coming out into a press conference and saying we went down from 57% to 49, we gave up billions so you can watch us play. They completely win the press game that the owners have been winning thus far.
Yeah but whats the point of winning the press game when the lockout is preset over, is it worth the $50-100 million theyd Lose annually by giving up 1-2 % points????

[Rab]

Okay, or find a new job. Happens all the time. When employers make pay cuts they EXPECT people to leave. Who said anything about sympathizing with the player? Never said we should. Just saying its stupid to label them as rich selfish greedy as*holes for this.
It's that easy, huh? Why didn't I think of that before? Seriously, it's not that easy. That's why you see people keep the lower salary...so they keep the job they have. Your statement is not completely accurate. It not always about layoffs, it's not always about pushing people out. Sometimes it's about a structure that is no longer viable, and needs to be fixed. Are you drawing the parallel here? You didn't directly say anything sympathizing with the players, but it's implied in the point when people call them selfish or greedy.