Michael Jordan vs Kobe Bryant- Finals averages

[D.J.]

Just thought it would be interesting to compare:


Jordan 1991
Game 1(loss)- 36/12/8/3 on 14/24 and 7/9 from the line
Game 2(win)- 33/13/7/2/1 on 15/18 and 3/4 from the line
Game 3(win)- 29/9/9/4/2 on 11/28 and 6/6 from the line
Game 4(win)- 28/13/5/2 on 11/20 and 6/6 from the line
Game 5(win)- 30/10/4/5/2 on 12/23 and 6/8 from the line

Series average- 31.2 PPG/6.6 RPG/11.4 APG/2.8 SPG/1.4 BPG on 55.8% shooting(22.6 FGA) and 84.8% from the line(6.6 FTA)


Jordan 1992
Game 1(win)- 39/11/3/2 on 16/27 and 1/1 from the line
Game 2(loss)- 39/10/5/1 on 16/32 and 7/9 from the line
Game 3(win)- 26/7/4/3 on 11/22 and 4/4 from the line
Game 4(loss)- 32/6/5 on 11/26 and 8/8 from the line
Game 5(win)- 46/5/4/1 on 14/23 and 16/19 from the line
Game 6(win)- 33/4/4/4/1 on 13/24 and 5/5 from the line


Series average- 35.8 PPG/4.8 RPG/6.5 APG/1.7 SPG/0.3 BPG on 52.6% shooting(25.7 FGA) and 89.1% from the line(7.7 FTA)


Jordan 1993
Game 1(win)- 31/7/5/5/1 on 14/28 and 3/4 from the line
Game 2(win)- 42/12/9/2 on 18/36 and 4/5 from the line
Game 3(loss)- 44/9/6/2/1 on 19/43 and 3/6 from the line
Game 4(win)- 55/8/4 on 21/37 and 13/18 from the line
Game 5(loss)- 41/7/7/2 on 16/29 and 7/10 from the line
Game 6(win)- 33/8/7/1 on 13/26 and 4/6 from the line


Series average- 41.0 PPG/8.5 RPG/6.3 APG/1.7 SPG/0.7 BPG on 50.8% shooting(33.2 FGA) and 69.4% from the line(8.2 FGA)


Jordan 1996
Game 1(win)- 28/7/2/2/1 on 9/18 and 9/10 from the line
Game 2(win)- 29/8/6/2 on 9/22 and 10/16 from the line
Game 3(win)- 36/5/3/2 on 11/23 and 11/11 from the line
Game 4(loss)- 23/3/2/1 on 6/19 and 11/13 from the line
Game 5(loss)- 26/4/1/1 on 5/13 and 4/5 from the line
Game 6(win)- 22/9/7/2 on 5/19 and 11/12 from the line


Series average- 27.3 PPG/5.3 RPG/4.2 APG/1.7 SPG/0.2 BPG on 39.5% shooting(19.0 FGA) and 83.6%(11.2 FTA)


Jordan 1997
Game 1(win)- 31/8/4/1 on 13/27 and 5/7 from the line
Game 2(win)- 38/13/9/2 on 11/20 and 15/21 from the line
Game 3(loss)- 26/6/3/2/1 on 9/22 and 4/5 from the line
Game 4(loss)- 22/4/4 on 11/27 and 0/0 from the line
Game 5(win)- 38/7/5/3/1 on 13/27 and 10/12 from the line
Game 6(win)- 39/11/4/1/1 on 15/35 and 8/10 from the line


Series average- 32.3 PPG/7.0 RPG/6.0 APG/1.2 SPG/0.8 BPG on 45.6% shooting(26.3 FGA) and 76.4% from the line(9.2 FTA)


Jordan 1998
Game 1(loss)- 33/3/2/2 on 13/29 and 6/8 from the line
Game 2(win)- 37/5/3/1/1 on 14/33 and 9/10 from the line
Game 3(win)- 24/3/2/1/1 on 7/14 and 10/11 from the line
Game 4(win)- 34/8/2/2 on 9/26 and 10/15 from the line
Game 5(loss)- 28/4/4/3 on 9/26 and 10/11 from the line
Game 6(win)- 45/1/1/4 on 15/35 and 12/15 from the line


Series average- 33.5 PPG/4.0 RPG/2.3 APG/1.8 SPG/0.7 BPG on 42.3% shooting(27.3 FGA) and 81.4% from the line(11.7 FTA)
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Kobe 2000
Game 1(win)- 14/5/3/2/1 on 6/13 and 2/2 from the line
Game 2(win)- 2/4/1/1 on 1/3 and 0/0 from the line
Game 3(loss)- did not play
Game 4(win)- 28/5/4/2/1 on 14/27 and 0/0 from the line
Game 5(loss)- 8/5/3/2 on 4/20 and 0/0 from the line
Game 6(win)- 26/10/4/2/1 on 8/27 and 8/9 from the line


Series average- 15.6 PPG/4.6 RPG/4.2 APG/1.0 SPG/1.4 BPG on 36.7% from the field(18 FGA) and 90.9% from the line(2.2 FTA)


Kobe 2001
Game 1(loss)- 15/5/3/3/1 on 7/22 and 1/1 from the line
Game 2(win)- 31/8/6/2/2 on 11/23 and 8/8 from the line
Game 3(win)- 32/6/3/2 on 13/30 and 6/6 from the line
Game 4(win)- 19/10/9/1/1 on 6/13 and 7/12 from the line
Game 5(win)- 26/12/6/1/1 on 7/18 and 10/11 from the line


Series average- 24.6 PPG/7.8 RPG/5.8 APG/1.4 SPG/1.4 BPG on 41.5% shooting(21.2 FGA) and 84.2% from the line(7.6 FTA)


Kobe 2002
Game 1(win)- 22/6/3/1 on 6/16 and 10/11 from the line
Game 2(win)- 24/8/3/2/1 on 9/15 and 3/4 from the line
Game 3(win)- 36/6/4/2/1 on 14/23 and 7/10 from the line
Game 4(win)- 25/8/6/2 on 7/16 and 9/11 from the line


Series average- 26.8 PPG/5.8 RPG/5.3 APG/1.5 SPG/0.8 BPG on 51.4%(17.5 FGA) and 80.6% from the line(9.0 FTA)


Kobe 2004
Game 1(loss)- 25/4/4/4/2 on 10/27 and 4/4 from the line
Game 2(win)- 33/7/4/2 on 14/27 and 4/5 from the line
Game 3(loss)- 11/5/3/1/1 on 4/13 and 3/3 from the line
Game 4(loss)- 20/2/1 on 8/25 and 2/2 from the line
Game 5(loss)- 24/4/3/1 on 7/21 and 10/11 from the line


Series average- 22.6 PPG/2.8 RPG/4.4 APG/1.8 SPG/0.6 BPG on 38.1% shooting(22.6 FGA) and 92.0% from the line(5.0 FTA)


Kobe 2008
Game 1(loss)- 24/6/3/1/1 on 9/26 and 6/6 from the line
Game 2(loss)- 30/8/4/3 on 11/23 and 7/7 from the line
Game 3(win)- 36/7/1/2 on 12/20 and 11/18 from the line
Game 4(loss)- 17/10/4/4 on 6/19 and 5/6 from the line
Game 5(win)- 25/7/4/5 on 8/21 and 5/7 from the line
Game 6(loss)- 22/3/1/1 on 7/22 and 5/5 from the line


Series average- 25.7 PPG/4.7 RPG/5.0 APG/2.7 SPG/0.2 BPG on 40.5% shooting(21.8 FGA) and 79.6% from the line(8.2 FTA)


Kobe 2009
Game 1(win)- 40/8/8/2/2 on 16/34 and 8/8 from the line
Game 2(win)- 29/8/4/2 on 10/22 and 8/10 from the line
Game 3(loss)- 31/8/3 on 11/25 and 5/10 from the line
Game 4(win)- 32/8/7/1/1 on 11/31 and 8/8 from the line
Game 5(win)- 30/6/5/2/4 on 10/23 and 8/8 from the line


Series average- 32.4 PPG/5.6 RPG/7.4 APG/1.4 SPG/1.4 BPG on 43.0% from the field(27 FGA) and 84.1%(8.8 FTA) from the line


Kobe 2010
Game 1(win)- 30/7/6/1/1 on 10/22 and 9/10 from the line
Game 2(loss)- 21/6/5/4 on 8/20 and 3/3 from the line
Game 3(win)- 29/7/4/3/2 on 10/29 and 8/8 from the line
Game 4(loss)- 33/6/2/2 on 10/22 and 7/8 from the line
Game 5(loss)- 38/5/4/1/1 on 13/27 and 8/9 from the line
Game 6(win)- 26/11/3/4 on 9/19 and 7/7 from the line
Game 7(win)- 23/15/2/1 on 6/24 and 11/15 from the line


Series average- 28.6 PPG/8.0 RPG/3.9 APG/2.1 SPG/0.7 BPG on 40.5% shooting(23.3 FGA) and 88.3% from the line(8.6 FTA)
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PPG
MJ- 33.6
KB- 25.3


RPG
MJ- 6.0
KB- 5.7


APG
MJ- 6.0
KB- 5.1


SPG
MJ- 1.8
KB- 1.8


BPG
MJ- 0.7
KB- 0.9


FG%
MJ- 47.9
KB- 41.2


FGA/game
MJ- 25.8
KB- 21.8


FT%
MJ- 80.6
KB- 84.8


FTA/game
MJ- 9.1
KB- 7.1


Record in Finals(series)
MJ- 6-0
KB- 5-2


Record in Finals(games)
MJ- 24-11(.686)
KB- 23-15(.605)


Finals MVPs
MJ- 6
KB- 2


Averages in wins
MJ- 34.4 PPG/6.5 RPG/6.2 APG/2.1 SPG/0.7 BPG on 49.5%
KB- 26.9 PPG/7.0 RPG/5.2 APG/1.7 SPG/1.1 BPG on 44.0%


Averages in losses
MJ- 31.8 PPG/5.0 RPG/5.5 APG/1.1 SPG/0.6 BPG on 44.5%
KB- 22.8 PPG/3.6 RPG/4.9 APG/1.9 SPG/0.6 BPG on 36.9%


Averages in series deciding games
MJ- 33.7 PPG/6.2 RPG/5.5 APG/2.8 SPG/0.7 BPG on 45.1%
KB- 25.1 PPG/7.9 RPG/4.3 APG/1.3 SPG/1.0 BPG on 34.4%


Averages in games facing elimination
MJ- never
KB- 24.0 PPG/7.8 RPG/2.8 APG/2.4 SPG on 34.6%

[eliteballer]

Kobe not healthy in the 00, 04, or 10 Finals.

LMAO @ you comparing Philly/Detroit/Boston defenses to a crippled Scott, Phoenix, a crippled Hornacek, and short 3 point lines in 96 and 97. Not to mention deferrence to Shaq.

Or the fact that your comparing a prime Jordan to Kobe at 21/22/23 years of age

[Dave3]

Kobe not healthy in the 00, 04, or 10 Finals.

LMAO @ you comparing Philly/Detroit/Boston defenses to a crippled Scott, Phoenix, a crippled Hornacek, and short 3 point lines in 96 and 97. Not to mention deferrence to Shaq.

Or the fact that your comparing a prime Jordan to Kobe at 21/22/23 years of age
Question for you. Do you give LeBron a break for the 2010 series against the Celtics?

[Inception28]

lol, I'm assuming someone said that Kobe is a better finals performer than MJ since someone had to make a thread about this.

[Human Error]

Kobe not healthy in the 00, 04, or 10 Finals.
Lol homie, why don't you just say Kobe has played his entire career through injury? :oldlol:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Lebron James

2007
22.0 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 6.8 apg, 5.8 TO, 35.6 FG%

2011
17.8 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 6.8 apg, 2.5 TO, 47.8 FG%
0 points on 0-7 FG in the clutch (under 5 minutes, within 5 points)
Largest PPG drop-off in NBA History

[Deuce Bigalow]

Jordan and Shaq are the best Finals performers of alltime

[FF1]

wow...MJ dominates him!

[Deuce Bigalow]

I knew this would happen. Why do Kobe fans always bring up LeBron when they think Kobe is getting insulted? It's hilarious how petrified you all are of LeBron surpassing your boy. :roll:

:facepalm

[DMV2]

Lol homie, why don't you just say Kobe has played his entire career through injury? :oldlol:Now we all know why Shaq had to carry Kobe to 3 rings. Kobe was "injured" :oldlol:

[Inception28]

I knew this would happen. Why do Kobe fans always bring up LeBron when they think Kobe is getting insulted? It's hilarious how petrified you all are of LeBron surpassing your boy. :roll:
Lebron has yet to surpass him unless you are one of those people that believe Lebron will win 7-8 championships, which is laughable for even Lebron at this point.

[eliteballer]

Yeah, knee and shoulder surgeries are really stretching the definition of injured:facepalm

[Deuce Bigalow]

Yup. Petrified.

yeah, so scared man Im shivering

[D.J.]

Yeah, knee and shoulder surgeries are really stretching the definition of injured:facepalm


MJ had the flu and a 103 fever, and still put up 38/7/5.

[Inception28]

Kobe not healthy in the 00, 04, or 10 Finals.

Can we talk about how MJ injured his wrist in the 92 and 93 playoffs then? :confusedshrug:

[Deuce Bigalow]

I didn't say LeBron surpassed him :facepalm. I said Kobe stans are scared that he will someday in the future.

call me when he has 5 championships

[D.J.]

yeah, so scared man Im shivering


Shaking, not shivering. :facepalm Unless MJ's mere presence turns you off so much you go cold. While on the contrary, Kobe apparently makes eliteballer wet down there.

[DMV2]

With what, a bruised ego? :roll:
Rep for the witty punchline!!!! :applause:

(actually I excelled my rep limitations, i give it after 24 hours)

[Heavincent]

Wow, Jordan is better than Kobe. I didn't though this until now. Thanks for the mind blowing information.

Anybody looks bad when compared to Jordan. Kobe is still a good Finals performer, and he is still one of the greatest players of all time. I don't know what the point of this thread is.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Shaking, not shivering. :facepalm Unless MJ's mere presence turns you off so much you go cold. While on the contrary, Kobe apparently makes eliteballer wet down there.

shiv

[Inception28]

He only need to win 2 FMVP's then he'll have the same amount of FMVP's a Kobe, a better peak and more RS MVP's. Assuming he doesn't completely tank after accomplishing this, he'll be above Kobe IMO. But that's another debate. Back to how Jordan rapes Kobe :roll:
Who said Kobe is done winning championships, Finals MVPs, and Regular season MVPs? :confusedshrug:

[Heavincent]

I didn't say LeBron surpassed him :facepalm. I said Kobe stans are scared that he will someday in the future.

I doubt the Kobe stans are scared about that considering Lebron has a pretty low chance of ever surpassing Kobe on the all-time list.

[D.J.]

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]shiv

[DMV2]

Kobe is still a good Finals performer, and he is still one of the greatest players of all time.
One good performance out of 7 isn't good. Kobe is pretty much like LeBron on the biggest stage but luckily for Kobe, his teammates carried his ass.

[Deuce Bigalow]

He only need to win 2 FMVP's then he'll have the same amount of FMVP's a Kobe, a better peak and more RS MVP's. Assuming he doesn't completely tank after accomplishing this, he'll be above Kobe IMO. But that's another debate. Back to how Jordan rapes Kobe :roll:

Finals MVP with Wade on the team? :oldlol:
and 2 championships with Wade and Bosh is not going to surpass Kobe's legacy

[D.J.]

As for LeBron, the only top player that went into season 9 without a ring was Olajuwon.

[Heavincent]

Reality.

You were probably one of those asshats that said Kobe would never win without Shaq :oldlol:

[Deuce Bigalow]

The saying is "I'm so scared I'm shaking", not shivering. :facepalm

good job

[Deuce Bigalow]

Who cares if Wade is on the team if he wins FMVP.

you dont get it?

Lebron chokes in the finals, Wade doesnt

[Heavincent]

One good performance out of 7 isn't good. Kobe is pretty much like LeBron on the biggest stage but luckily for Kobe, his teammates carried his ass.

Kobe has 4 good/great Finals performances. Lebron has two very bad Finals performances.

[Heavincent]

That's bullshit and you know it. :facepalm

It's really not. It doesn't help that Kobe is still playing at a high level and has a good chance of winning another ring.

[DMV2]

Kobe has 4 good/great Finals performances. Lebron has two very bad Finals performances.
FOUR!!!??? which were the other three besides the 2009 performance.

[Deuce Bigalow]

One good performance out of 7 isn't good. Kobe is pretty much like LeBron on the biggest stage but luckily for Kobe, his teammates carried his ass.

Kobe played good in 2001, 2002, 2009, and 2010
yes even in 2010, 8 rebounds per game for a SG, and 15 rebs in gm 7
his teammates didnt carry his ass, for example in 2010 Kobe had 10 4th quarter points in game 7, the most in the game

[Heavincent]

FOUR!!!??? which were the other three besides the 2009 performance.

01
02
09
10

[RazorBaLade]

FOUR!!!??? which were the other three besides the 2009 performance.

how was 2010 a bad performance?

[Heavincent]

LeBron has accomplished more in the regular season and playoffs (except for the finals, of course) than Kobe did at the same point in his career.

Regular season: I guess
Playoffs: Hell no.

[Inception28]

Reality.
And when or where did reality say this? Would you be really surprised if Kobe goes back to his old self next season, or whenever we have a season? He is not done yet. I don't think he is a top 5 player anymore, but he can work his way back up. He certainly wasn't even top 5 as far as top 5 players in the season last season either. The injuries have been nagging him for a while, but this off-season he got knee surgery which seemed to help him a lot from the basketball footage I saw from him last summer. The longer the lockout lasts the more rest Kobe will have and the more time Kobe will have to prepare for the season.

[Deuce Bigalow]

LeBron choked in the finals once. LOL @ people trying to rewrite history and act as if the Cavs had a chance against the Spurs. :facepalm LeBron was 21 then and did all he could. Sure he had a bad series, but it's not "choking" when no one expected them to win. :banghead:

0 points on 0-7 FG in the Clutch in the 2011 Finals

[Heavincent]

How many of those are you saying were "great"? Sure, they were all very good to great in general, but Kobe has often played poorly for his lofty standards during the finals.

02 and 09 were amazing performances. 01 and 2010 were good.

Overall, Kobe is a good Finals performer.

[D-Wade316]

Wow, Jordan is better than Kobe. I didn't though this until now. Thanks for the mind blowing information.

Anybody looks bad when compared to Jordan. Kobe is still a good Finals performer, and he is still one of the greatest players of all time. I don't know what the point of this thread is.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

He is absolutely atrocious in the Finals.

[D-Wade316]

Finals MVP with Wade on the team? :oldlol:
and 2 championships with Wade and Bosh is not going to surpass Kobe's legacy
So Kobe's first 3 rings doesn't count because he played with Shaq? :rolleyes:

[Heavincent]

He is absolutely atrocious in the Finals.

http://www.fybertech.com/4thread/v_55056307/1270693145305.jpg

[D-Wade316]

01 - good
02 - good
09 - above average
10 - atrocious
Kobe's finals performances in those years

[Deuce Bigalow]

So Kobe's first 3 rings doesn't count because he played with Shaq? :rolleyes:

I meant that Lebron is not going to be getting Finals MVPs playing with Wade
the dude was outscored by a bench player, I mean come on

[24r2]

He only need to win 2 FMVP's then he'll have the same amount of FMVP's a Kobe, a better peak and more RS MVP's. Assuming he doesn't completely tank after accomplishing this, he'll be above Kobe IMO. But that's another debate. Back to how Jordan rapes Kobe :roll:


:oldlol: :oldlol: LOL shut the fukc up, biatch :lol :lol :lol

[Yao Ming's Foot]

04 Pistons 95.4
01 76ers 98.9
08 Celtics 98.9
02 Nets 99.5
09 Magic 101.9
00 Pacers 103.6
10 Celtics 103.8

vs

96 Sonics 102.1
97 Jazz 104.0
92 Blazers 104.2
91 Lakers 105.0
98 Jazz 105.4
93 Suns 106.7

Funny how the only time Jordan faced a defense that wasn't weaker than every defense Kobe went up against in the Finals he shot under 40%

[Heavincent]

Kobe's finals performances in those years

Balderdash.

01- Good
02- Amazing
09- Amazing
10- Good

With it deal.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe's finals performances in those years

2001 - 25/8/6 on 42%, 26/12/6 in clincher - good
2002 - 27/6/6 on 62.3 TS% - great
2009 - 32/5/7 - very great
2010 - 29/8/5 on 41%, 8 rpg for a guard, 15 rebounds in gm 7 - good

[D-Wade316]

I meant that Lebron is not going to be getting Finals MVPs playing with Wade
the dude was outscored by a bench player, I mean come on
You're exposed. Stop hiding in your mom's crutch.

[D-Wade316]

LOL @ 09 being amazing. It was above average for someone who is being compared to Jordan.

[Inception28]

Why do people think Kobe was bad against the Celtics in the 2010 NBA Finals?

Here is what Magic Johnson said about Kobe in the series and in that Game 7....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZxIM2l6vJk

[Inception28]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

He is absolutely atrocious in the Finals.
:rolleyes:

[Deuce Bigalow]

LOL @ 09 being amazing. It was above average for someone who is being compared to Jordan.

32.4 ppg and 7.4 apg
First player since Jerry West in 1969 to put up atleast 32 points and 7 assists in a finals series

[amfirst]

LeBron won't ever surpass Kobe. Why? Because he is passed his peak prime. A wasted prime if u ask me.

[D-Wade316]

32.4 ppg and 7.4 apg
First player since Jerry West in 1969 to put up atleast 32 points and 7 assists in a finals series
There's nothing special about that performance. LOL @ you for using basic stats as your end for all in discussions.

43.0fg%:facepalm
46.3efg%:roll:
52.5ts%:roll:
27fga:roll: :roll: :roll:

[G-Funk]

4 shot per game differential???

[Deuce Bigalow]

There's nothing special about that performance. LOL @ you for using basic stats as your end for all in discussions.

43.0fg%:facepalm
46.3efg%:roll:
52.5ts%:roll:
27fga:roll: :roll: :roll:

40/8/8
29/4/8
31/3/8
32/7/8
30/6/5

[D-Wade316]

4 shot per game differential???
Between?

[D-Wade316]

40/8/8
29/4/8
31/3/8
32/7/8
30/6/5
:facepalm @ basic stats

28/6/6
23/8/3
42/13/2
36/6/3
43/4/4
36/10/5

Wade 06>>>>>>>>>Kobe 09


OWNED

[Inception28]

There's nothing special about that performance. LOL @ you for using basic stats as your end for all in discussions.

43.0fg%:facepalm
46.3efg%:roll:
52.5ts%:roll:
27fga:roll: :roll: :roll:
99% sure you got those advanced stats wrong.

[Deuce Bigalow]

:facepalm @ basic stats

28/6/6
23/8/3
42/13/2
36/6/3
43/4/4
36/10/5

Wade 06>>>>>>>>>Kobe 09


OWNED

Wade played the team that Kobe outscored 62-61 in 3 quarters :roll:
HE OUTSCORED THE DAMN TEAM BY HIMSELF

[D-Wade316]

99% sure you got those advanced stats wrong.
Then calculate it. I dare you.

[Inception28]

Then calculate it. I dare you.
Why should I waste my time with you? It's not like you will be convinced anyways regardless of how good Kobe shot. You are just here to bring down Kobe to prop up the Heat. Why do I have this feeling you can't even name 3 players on the Heat before 2010 outside of Dwyane Wade?

[D-Wade316]

Wade played the team that Kobe outscored 62-61 in 3 quarters :roll:
HE OUTSCORED THE DAMN TEAM BY HIMSELF
Yet Kobe can't outscore Phoenix "We Play No Defense" Suns , the team Dallas beat in the WCF.

[Deuce Bigalow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCeg0-g-XdI&feature=related

that is the team Wade faced

tell me how much did Kobe have and how much did dallas have after the 3rd quarter ended?

[D-Wade316]

Why should I waste my time with you? It's not like you will be convinced anyways regardless of how good Kobe shot. You are just here to bring down Kobe to prop up the Heat. Why do I have this feeling you can't even name 3 players on the Heat before 2010 outside of Dwyane Wade?
So Kobe shot efficiently in that series? :roll: :roll: :roll:

You're the one who is wasting your time here. I challenged you to calculate the advanced stats but you backed down. :facepalm

[D-Wade316]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCeg0-g-XdI&feature=related

that is the team Wade faced

tell me how much did Kobe have and how much did dallas have after the 3rd quarter ended?
Kobe once scored 14 against the "We Play No Defense" team named Phoenix.

[Inception28]

So Kobe shot efficiently in that series? :roll: :roll: :roll:

You're the one who is wasting your time here. I challenged you to calculate the advanced stats but you backed down. :facepalm
Then let me ask you this, where did you even get those numbers?

[Heavincent]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCeg0-g-XdI&feature=related

that is the team Wade faced

tell me how much did Kobe have and how much did dallas have after the 3rd quarter ended?

If only Kobe played in the fourth quarter. He would have easily had 70 points. Then he would have two 70+ point performances in his career :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Big#50]

32.4 ppg and 7.4 apg
First player since Jerry West in 1969 to put up atleast 32 points and 7 assists in a finals series
31.2/11.4/6.6./2.8/1.5 is way better than anything Kobe ever did. 31 points and 11 assists>Kobe. Not to mention that Kobe was nowhere to he found in the clutch in the 09 finals.

[Deuce Bigalow]

62-61 defense, and your overrating your boy
:facepalm

[D-Wade316]

Then let me ask you this, where did you even get those numbers?
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2009_finals.html

To calculate for the advanced stats, refer to the link below.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/glossary.html

And I'm sure that if there's a miscalculation, it is marginal to say the least.

[Deuce Bigalow]

31.2/11.4/6.6./2.8/1.5 is way better than anything Kobe ever did. 31 points and 11 assists>Kobe. Not to mention that Kobe was nowhere to he found in the clutch in the 09 finals.

Im not comparing him to Jordan :facepalm
and Kobe was clutch in the 09 finals :facepalm

[Dave3]

Wade played the team that Kobe outscored 62-61 in 3 quarters :roll:
HE OUTSCORED THE DAMN TEAM BY HIMSELFAnd Kobe played the same team LeBron averaged 39/8/8 on 50% against....does that make his 32/6/7 on 43% much worse?

[D-Wade316]

62-61 defense, and your overrating your boy
:facepalm
14 points against the "WE PLAY NO DEFENSE" team :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Deuce Bigalow]

14 points against the "WE PLAY NO DEFENSE" team :roll: :roll: :roll:

dude who cares, Wade isnt in Kobe's class

[D-Wade316]

And Kobe played the same team LeBron averaged 39/8/8 on 50% against....does that make his 32/6/7 on 43% much worse?
Wade also averaged 38.0ppg, 6rpg, 5.3apg, 52.6fg% against the same team Kobe faced in the Finals. :bowdown:

[D-Wade316]

dude who cares, Wade isnt in Kobe's class
Now you are being hypocritical.

[Inception28]

Wade also averaged 38.0ppg, 6rpg, 5.3apg, 52.6fg% against the same team Kobe faced in the Finals. :bowdown:
Edit: nevermind you are referring to the Magic.

Kobe did average 52% TS against the Magic, but now I want to know where you got that eFG%.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Wade's nuts are deep down my throat

:oldlol:

[D-Wade316]

Wade also averaged 38.0ppg, 6rpg, 5.3apg, 52.6fg% against the same team Kobe faced in the Finals. :bowdown:
And he averaged those in only 38.3 minutes per game.

[D-Wade316]

Edit: nevermind you are referring to the Magic.

Kobe did average 52% TS against the Magic, but now I want to know where you got that eFG%.
Still in the second link.

[D-Wade316]

:oldlol:
U Mad?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe's 2009 finals are still great, regardless what you say

[Deuce Bigalow]

U Mad?

Naw, my team has 16 championships and 5 the last 12 seasons

[BDiesel324]

U Mad?
Wade > LeBrick, u mad brah?

[D-Wade316]

Kobe's 2009 finals are still great, regardless what you say
Okay. But don't you ever say it was "amazing", just like what Heavincent said. Amazing performances are those of Shaq, Tim, Wade, MJ, Hakeem, West, and Magic.

[sekachu]

04 Pistons 95.4
01 76ers 98.9
08 Celtics 98.9
02 Nets 99.5
09 Magic 101.9
00 Pacers 103.6
10 Celtics 103.8

vs

96 Sonics 102.1
97 Jazz 104.0
92 Blazers 104.2
91 Lakers 105.0
98 Jazz 105.4
93 Suns 106.7

Funny how the only time Jordan faced a defense that wasn't weaker than every defense Kobe went up against in the Finals he shot under 40%



This will never be a fair comparsion. In 90s, the majority of the scoring based on inside. They run and move more, more off ball movements, more picks and roll, more post up game, much better shot selection. shoot less more 3s. Center era.

In 2000, become perimeter era. less off ball movement, no post up game, shoot more 3s. When you have players like allen iverson, gilbert arenas, rose and more..... these players really help pull down the league fg average

[Inception28]

Still in the second link.
I know the calculations for it. That being said 47% eFG is really not that bad. eFG% is pretty much the same as FG% if you think about it anyways. It's not like you are penalized more and your % will go down for missing a 3 or a shot.

[D-Wade316]

Wade > LeBrick, u mad brah?
Where did you came from?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Okay. But don't you ever say it was "amazing", just like what Heavincent said. Amazing performances are those of Shaq, Tim, Wade, MJ, Hakeem, West, and Magic.

And dont compare Wade alltime to Kobe, hes in the likes of Jordan, Russell, Wilt, Magic, Kareem, Bird, Shaq, Duncan, and Hakeem, Wade is not.

[BDiesel324]

Where did you came from?
dude ur a fukkin *******, change your name to Lebron316 please, thanks. You are no Wade fan, ****.

Wade > Lebron.

[D-Wade316]

I know the calculations for it. That being said 47% eFG is really not that bad. eFG% is pretty much the same as FG% if you think about it anyways. It's not like you are penalized more and your % will go down for missing a 3 or a shot.
Nah. 47efg% is atrocious for someone who is being compared to Jordan. Heck, even some of his followers claim his is GOAT or the Gawd of basketball. :lol

You can see? He just doesn't perform up to the standards that he is expected of.

[D-Wade316]

dude ur a fukkin *******, change your name to Lebron316 please, thanks. You are no Wade fan, ****.

Wade > Lebron.
:lol

Whatever you say.

[Inception28]

Nah. 47efg% is atrocious for someone who is being compared to Jordan. Heck, even some of his followers claim his is GOAT or the Gawd of basketball. :lol

You can see? He just doesn't perform up to the standards that he is expected of.
A lot of things are atrocious when you are being compared to Jordan. Let Kobe be Kobe. Kobe had a great finals performance in 2009.

[D-Wade316]

And dont compare Wade alltime to Kobe, hes in the likes of Jordan, Russell, Wilt, Magic, Kareem, Bird, Shaq, Duncan, and Hakeem, Wade is not.
:oldlol:

The only thing Wade lacks is the precious rings that Kobetards only care of.

[BDiesel324]

:lol

Whatever you say.
sorry wade > lebron, idiot.

[Deuce Bigalow]

:oldlol:

The only thing Wade lacks is the precious rings that Kobetards only care of.

4 championships

[D-Wade316]

A lot of things are atrocious when you are being compared to Jordan. Let Kobe be Kobe. Kobe had a great finals performance in 2009.
There are indeed a lot, but there is no excuse, especially in the finals.

It was great. Simple as that. Nothing sort of amazing or legendary about it.

[D-Wade316]

4 championships
Rings rings rings rings rings rings rings rings rings rings rings rings rings rings...

and Shaq says hi.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Rings rings rings rings rings rings rings rings rings rings rings rings rings rings...

and Shaq says hi.

Shaq, Lebron, And Bosh say hi

[BDiesel324]

Shaq, Lebron, And Bosh say hi
ignore him, he is dumb enough to believe lebron > wade.

[Big#50]

Im not comparing him to Jordan :facepalm
and Kobe was clutch in the 09 finals :facepalm
Was he? Getting blocked on a game winning shot by ****ing Hedo isn't clutch.

[D-Wade316]

Shaq, Lebron, And Bosh say hi
Shaq>Lebron & Bosh

[Dave3]

ignore him, he is dumb enough to believe lebron > wade.
Hmmm, this sounds pretty familiar...

[L8k3r5]

That's bullshit and you know it. :facepalm
I don't even need to say how stupid your making yourself look :facepalm

[Deuce Bigalow]

Shaq>Lebron & Bosh

Prime Kobe > Wade, Leborn, and Bosh

[L8k3r5]

LOL @ 09 being amazing. It was above average for someone who is being compared to Jordan.
I can see why your rep is low. You have no quality in your posts. Just some biased BS

[DevilsAssassin]

this thread is pointless...............everyone knows Michael Jordan aka da God >>> Kobe Bryant

[Hondo]

Lebron James
2011
17.8 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 6.8 apg, 2.5 TO, 47.8 FG%
0 points on 0-7 FG in the clutch (under 5 minutes, within 5 points)
Largest PPG drop-off in NBA History

That looks more like Scottie Pippen's statline.

I think this thread really needs minutes played for each game as well.

[L8k3r5]

Why should I waste my time with you? It's not like you will be convinced anyways regardless of how good Kobe shot. You are just here to bring down Kobe to prop up the Heat. Why do I have this feeling you can't even name 3 players on the Heat before 2010 outside of Dwyane Wade?
Don't mind him. He's stupid he was born that way. Stupid people shouldn't be bothered with at all. Just let the kid be.

[D-Wade316]

Prime Lebron>Prime Wade>Prime Kobe>Prime Bosh
Fixed




Can we stop this Kobe v Wade already? This thread is about MJ and Kobe.

[D-Wade316]

Don't mind him. He's stupid he was born that way. Stupid people shouldn't be bothered with at all. Just let the kid be.
:rolleyes:

[L8k3r5]

14 points against the "WE PLAY NO DEFENSE" team :roll: :roll: :roll:
Just one game. I recall Kobe scoring 50 on that same team.

[D-Wade316]

Just one game. I recall Kobe scoring 50 on that same team.
Doesn't change the fact he once scored 14 against a team who plays no defense.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Fixed

:facepalm

[Deuce Bigalow]

Doesn't change the fact he once scored 14 against a team who plays no defense.

what game are you talking about

[DevilsAssassin]

Lebron James > Kobe Bryant

[L8k3r5]

Doesn't change the fact he once scored 14 against a team who plays no defense.
So one game doesn't count because of another game? Where's the logic in that?
http://wakeupidiots.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/idiot1.gif

[D-Wade316]

what game are you talking about
My apologies, but it was 17. That's only 3pts more :roll:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200604280LAL.html

[D-Wade316]

So one game doesn't count because of another game? Where's the logic in that?
http://wakeupidiots.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/idiot1.gif
:facepalm Nice logic there, brah.

I didn't say it didn't count. I said that it doesn't change the fact that he scored 17 points.

[Deuce Bigalow]

My apologies, but it was 17. That's only 3pts more :roll:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200604280LAL.html

50 in gm 6 :facepalm

[L8k3r5]

:facepalm Nice logic there, brah.

I didn't say it didn't count. I said that it doesn't change the fact that he scored 17 points.
You know what I meant. So let me get this straight. This is your boy...
http://nsa20.casimages.com/img/2010/11/25/101125035807433904.gif
http://nsa25.casimages.com/img/2011/02/28/110228053425574536.gif
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20NBA%20etc/1%20Portland%20Trail%20Blazers/Nicolas%20Batum/20110109Batumblockslbj-1Q0107.gif

[Heavincent]

Lebron James > Kobe Bryant

lol

[L8k3r5]

Doesn't change the fact he once scored 14 against a team who plays no defense.
Kobe did this to the Suns. A game winner with two hands in his face.
http://www.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs6/2469857_o.gif

[D-Wade316]

50 in gm 6 :facepalm
17pts against the "WE PLAY NO DEFENSE" team.

[D-Wade316]

You know what I meant. So let me get this straight. This is your boy...
http://nsa20.casimages.com/img/2010/11/25/101125035807433904.gif
http://nsa25.casimages.com/img/2011/02/28/110228053425574536.gif
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20NBA%20etc/1%20Portland%20Trail%20Blazers/Nicolas%20Batum/20110109Batumblockslbj-1Q0107.gif
Lebron is not my favorite player.

And why are you posting gifs on Lebron bricking? Didn't Kobe bricked against the same team that defeated the Heat?

[D-Wade316]

Kobe did this to the Suns. A game winner with two hands in his face.
http://www.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs6/2469857_o.gif
17 pts

[Deuce Bigalow]

17pts against the "WE PLAY NO DEFENSE" team.

62-61 defense

[Deuce Bigalow]

17 pts

1 ring

[L8k3r5]

Lebron is not my favorite player.

And why are you posting gifs on Lebron bricking? Didn't Kobe bricked against the same team that defeated the Heat?
Sounds like he's enjoying that blow job you are giving him right now. And Kobe did lose against the Mavs, but at least he put up better numbers than what Lebron did and went down fighting, not shying away from the moment

[L8k3r5]

17 pts
A game winner is more important than a player's stats. And didn't Kobe's team win when he scored 17? He didn't need to score, otherwise he could have dropped 30 on them easily. In 2010 against the suns he averaged 33 ppg and scored 30 or more in 5 of those 6 games.

[AlphaWolf24]

:roll: :roll: :roll: Kobe's Finals averages at 21 , 22 and 23 years old!!!...

what was MJ doing at that age?......Choking in the sweet 16 and getting swept in the First Round....

Kobe at 21 years old...29PPG 7REB 7AST Championship Postseason run:bowdown: :bowdown: ..MJ at 21 had a 30 win season:lol



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[D.J.]

Some more facts between MJ and Kobe in the Finals:


# of double-doubles
MJ- 9
KB- 6


# of games with 40+ points
MJ- 6
KB- 1


# of games with 50+ points
MJ- 1
KB- 0


# of games with less than 20 points
MJ- 0
KB- 7


# of games with 50%+ from the field
MJ- 17
KB- 5


# of games with less than 40% from the field
MJ- 6
KB- 16(and I didn't count game 2 against Indiana)

[D.J.]

Kobe at 21 years old...29PPG 7REB 7AST Championship Postseason run


2000 playoffs- 21.1 PPG/4.5 RPG/4.4 APG


NEXT

[Deuce Bigalow]

:roll: :roll: :roll: Kobe's Finals averages at 21 , 22 and 23 years old!!!...

what was MJ doing at that age?......Choking in the sweet 16 and getting swept in the First Round....

Kobe at 21 years old...29PPG 7REB 7AST Championship Postseason run:bowdown: :bowdown: ..MJ at 21 had a 30 win season:lol



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What was Jordan doing at age 28-30 and age 33-35?
let me tell you...3-peat and then another 3-peat, with 6 finals MVPs, oh and also 4 MVPs

[andgar923]

Does anybody have their 4th Quarter stats?

I've seen MJ have bad shooting games and come through in the clutch. While I've seen Kobe play great in the first half and then get carried in the 4th. Any stats to back this up?

[Doranku]

Yeah, uh... MJ is the GOAT.

Why should Kobe be expected to have comparable finals stats to Michael?

People always complain about how Kobe should never be compared to MJ, yet threads like these are made by clear Jordan stans.

If you guys believe that Kobe shouldn't be compared to Jordan (which he shouldn't), why are you guys the ones creating the threads about it?

Insecure much?

[pauk]

why even bother man?

kobe is more like a drexler production wise

[artest 93]

Yeah, uh... MJ is the GOAT.

Why should Kobe be expected to have comparable finals stats to Michael?

People always complain about how Kobe should never be compared to MJ, yet threads like these are made by clear Jordan stans.

If you guys believe that Kobe shouldn't be compared to Jordan (which he shouldn't), why are you guys the ones creating the threads about it?

Insecure much?

You're one of the worst posters on the internet. Do you really think you are that clever?

Clearly, this thread is a response to one of the many made by Kobe-retards (like you) trying to discredit other players while promoting Kobe.

Why do you always act as if people on this website do not know your agenda? You try to throw in your two-cents with a bit of reason, but no one is falling for it. Basically, you're a dumb kid attempting to be clever.

[artest 93]

@ Dumb guy,

At least with other posters, they are open about their homerism and trolling. You think you're some sort of reasonable poster whose presence means something other than promoting Kobe.

Btw, using your logic, one can say Kobe is a privileged, accomplished veteran while LeBron is not. Why do Kobe fans continue to compare the two? Insecure much?

You're still dumb. Get a job.

[bwink23]

Just thought it would be interesting to compare:


Jordan 1991
Game 1(loss)- 36/12/8/3 on 14/24 and 7/9 from the line
Game 2(win)- 33/13/7/2/1 on 15/18 and 3/4 from the line
Game 3(win)- 29/9/9/4/2 on 11/28 and 6/6 from the line
Game 4(win)- 28/13/5/2 on 11/20 and 6/6 from the line
Game 5(win)- 30/10/4/5/2 on 12/23 and 6/8 from the line

Series average- 31.2 PPG/6.6 RPG/11.4 APG/2.8 SPG/1.4 BPG on 55.8% shooting(22.6 FGA) and 84.8% from the line(6.6 FTA)


Jordan 1992
Game 1(win)- 39/11/3/2 on 16/27 and 1/1 from the line
Game 2(loss)- 39/10/5/1 on 16/32 and 7/9 from the line
Game 3(win)- 26/7/4/3 on 11/22 and 4/4 from the line
Game 4(loss)- 32/6/5 on 11/26 and 8/8 from the line
Game 5(win)- 46/5/4/1 on 14/23 and 16/19 from the line
Game 6(win)- 33/4/4/4/1 on 13/24 and 5/5 from the line


Series average- 35.8 PPG/4.8 RPG/6.5 APG/1.7 SPG/0.3 BPG on 52.6% shooting(25.7 FGA) and 89.1% from the line(7.7 FTA)


Jordan 1993
Game 1(win)- 31/7/5/5/1 on 14/28 and 3/4 from the line
Game 2(win)- 42/12/9/2 on 18/36 and 4/5 from the line
Game 3(loss)- 44/9/6/2/1 on 19/43 and 3/6 from the line
Game 4(win)- 55/8/4 on 21/37 and 13/18 from the line
Game 5(loss)- 41/7/7/2 on 16/29 and 7/10 from the line
Game 6(win)- 33/8/7/1 on 13/26 and 4/6 from the line


Series average- 41.0 PPG/8.5 RPG/6.3 APG/1.7 SPG/0.7 BPG on 50.8% shooting(33.2 FGA) and 69.4% from the line(8.2 FGA)


Jordan 1996
Game 1(win)- 28/7/2/2/1 on 9/18 and 9/10 from the line
Game 2(win)- 29/8/6/2 on 9/22 and 10/16 from the line
Game 3(win)- 36/5/3/2 on 11/23 and 11/11 from the line
Game 4(loss)- 23/3/2/1 on 6/19 and 11/13 from the line
Game 5(loss)- 26/4/1/1 on 5/13 and 4/5 from the line
Game 6(win)- 22/9/7/2 on 5/19 and 11/12 from the line


Series average- 27.3 PPG/5.3 RPG/4.2 APG/1.7 SPG/0.2 BPG on 39.5% shooting(19.0 FGA) and 83.6%(11.2 FTA)


Jordan 1997
Game 1(win)- 31/8/4/1 on 13/27 and 5/7 from the line
Game 2(win)- 38/13/9/2 on 11/20 and 15/21 from the line
Game 3(loss)- 26/6/3/2/1 on 9/22 and 4/5 from the line
Game 4(loss)- 22/4/4 on 11/27 and 0/0 from the line
Game 5(win)- 38/7/5/3/1 on 13/27 and 10/12 from the line
Game 6(win)- 39/11/4/1/1 on 15/35 and 8/10 from the line


Series average- 32.3 PPG/7.0 RPG/6.0 APG/1.2 SPG/0.8 BPG on 45.6% shooting(26.3 FGA) and 76.4% from the line(9.2 FTA)


Jordan 1998
Game 1(loss)- 33/3/2/2 on 13/29 and 6/8 from the line
Game 2(win)- 37/5/3/1/1 on 14/33 and 9/10 from the line
Game 3(win)- 24/3/2/1/1 on 7/14 and 10/11 from the line
Game 4(win)- 34/8/2/2 on 9/26 and 10/15 from the line
Game 5(loss)- 28/4/4/3 on 9/26 and 10/11 from the line
Game 6(win)- 45/1/1/4 on 15/35 and 12/15 from the line


Series average- 33.5 PPG/4.0 RPG/2.3 APG/1.8 SPG/0.7 BPG on 42.3% shooting(27.3 FGA) and 81.4% from the line(11.7 FTA)
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Kobe 2000
Game 1(win)- 14/5/3/2/1 on 6/13 and 2/2 from the line
Game 2(win)- 2/4/1/1 on 1/3 and 0/0 from the line
Game 3(loss)- did not play
Game 4(win)- 28/5/4/2/1 on 14/27 and 0/0 from the line
Game 5(loss)- 8/5/3/2 on 4/20 and 0/0 from the line
Game 6(win)- 26/10/4/2/1 on 8/27 and 8/9 from the line


Series average- 15.6 PPG/4.6 RPG/4.2 APG/1.0 SPG/1.4 BPG on 36.7% from the field(18 FGA) and 90.9% from the line(2.2 FTA)


Kobe 2001
Game 1(loss)- 15/5/3/3/1 on 7/22 and 1/1 from the line
Game 2(win)- 31/8/6/2/2 on 11/23 and 8/8 from the line
Game 3(win)- 32/6/3/2 on 13/30 and 6/6 from the line
Game 4(win)- 19/10/9/1/1 on 6/13 and 7/12 from the line
Game 5(win)- 26/12/6/1/1 on 7/18 and 10/11 from the line


Series average- 24.6 PPG/7.8 RPG/5.8 APG/1.4 SPG/1.4 BPG on 41.5% shooting(21.2 FGA) and 84.2% from the line(7.6 FTA)


Kobe 2002
Game 1(win)- 22/6/3/1 on 6/16 and 10/11 from the line
Game 2(win)- 24/8/3/2/1 on 9/15 and 3/4 from the line
Game 3(win)- 36/6/4/2/1 on 14/23 and 7/10 from the line
Game 4(win)- 25/8/6/2 on 7/16 and 9/11 from the line


Series average- 26.8 PPG/5.8 RPG/5.3 APG/1.5 SPG/0.8 BPG on 51.4%(17.5 FGA) and 80.6% from the line(9.0 FTA)


Kobe 2004
Game 1(loss)- 25/4/4/4/2 on 10/27 and 4/4 from the line
Game 2(win)- 33/7/4/2 on 14/27 and 4/5 from the line
Game 3(loss)- 11/5/3/1/1 on 4/13 and 3/3 from the line
Game 4(loss)- 20/2/1 on 8/25 and 2/2 from the line
Game 5(loss)- 24/4/3/1 on 7/21 and 10/11 from the line


Series average- 22.6 PPG/2.8 RPG/4.4 APG/1.8 SPG/0.6 BPG on 38.1% shooting(22.6 FGA) and 92.0% from the line(5.0 FTA)


Kobe 2008
Game 1(loss)- 24/6/3/1/1 on 9/26 and 6/6 from the line
Game 2(loss)- 30/8/4/3 on 11/23 and 7/7 from the line
Game 3(win)- 36/7/1/2 on 12/20 and 11/18 from the line
Game 4(loss)- 17/10/4/4 on 6/19 and 5/6 from the line
Game 5(win)- 25/7/4/5 on 8/21 and 5/7 from the line
Game 6(loss)- 22/3/1/1 on 7/22 and 5/5 from the line


Series average- 25.7 PPG/4.7 RPG/5.0 APG/2.7 SPG/0.2 BPG on 40.5% shooting(21.8 FGA) and 79.6% from the line(8.2 FTA)


Kobe 2009
Game 1(win)- 40/8/8/2/2 on 16/34 and 8/8 from the line
Game 2(win)- 29/8/4/2 on 10/22 and 8/10 from the line
Game 3(loss)- 31/8/3 on 11/25 and 5/10 from the line
Game 4(win)- 32/8/7/1/1 on 11/31 and 8/8 from the line
Game 5(win)- 30/6/5/2/4 on 10/23 and 8/8 from the line


Series average- 32.4 PPG/5.6 RPG/7.4 APG/1.4 SPG/1.4 BPG on 43.0% from the field(27 FGA) and 84.1%(8.8 FTA) from the line


Kobe 2010
Game 1(win)- 30/7/6/1/1 on 10/22 and 9/10 from the line
Game 2(loss)- 21/6/5/4 on 8/20 and 3/3 from the line
Game 3(win)- 29/7/4/3/2 on 10/29 and 8/8 from the line
Game 4(loss)- 33/6/2/2 on 10/22 and 7/8 from the line
Game 5(loss)- 38/5/4/1/1 on 13/27 and 8/9 from the line
Game 6(win)- 26/11/3/4 on 9/19 and 7/7 from the line
Game 7(win)- 23/15/2/1 on 6/24 and 11/15 from the line


Series average- 28.6 PPG/8.0 RPG/3.9 APG/2.1 SPG/0.7 BPG on 40.5% shooting(23.3 FGA) and 88.3% from the line(8.6 FTA)
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PPG
MJ- 33.6
KB- 25.3


RPG
MJ- 6.0
KB- 5.7


APG
MJ- 6.0
KB- 5.1


SPG
MJ- 1.8
KB- 1.8


BPG
MJ- 0.7
KB- 0.9


FG%
MJ- 47.9
KB- 41.2


FGA/game
MJ- 25.8
KB- 21.8


FT%
MJ- 80.6
KB- 84.8


FTA/game
MJ- 9.1
KB- 7.1


Record in Finals(series)
MJ- 6-0
KB- 5-2


Record in Finals(games)
MJ- 24-11(.686)
KB- 23-15(.605)


Finals MVPs
MJ- 6
KB- 2


Averages in wins
MJ- 34.4 PPG/6.5 RPG/6.2 APG/2.1 SPG/0.7 BPG on 49.5%
KB- 26.9 PPG/7.0 RPG/5.2 APG/1.7 SPG/1.1 BPG on 44.0%


Averages in losses
MJ- 31.8 PPG/5.0 RPG/5.5 APG/1.1 SPG/0.6 BPG on 44.5%
KB- 22.8 PPG/3.6 RPG/4.9 APG/1.9 SPG/0.6 BPG on 36.9%


Averages in series deciding games
MJ- 33.7 PPG/6.2 RPG/5.5 APG/2.8 SPG/0.7 BPG on 45.1%
KB- 25.1 PPG/7.9 RPG/4.3 APG/1.3 SPG/1.0 BPG on 34.4%


Averages in games facing elimination
MJ- never
KB- 24.0 PPG/7.8 RPG/2.8 APG/2.4 SPG on 34.6%

Jordan shot 41.5%FG in the 1996 Finals....he was 11-22 from the field, not 5 for 13......BETTER FIX THAT SHIT

[bwink23]

Kobe not healthy in the 00, 04, or 10 Finals.

LMAO @ you comparing Philly/Detroit/Boston defenses to a crippled Scott, Phoenix, a crippled Hornacek, and short 3 point lines in 96 and 97. Not to mention deferrence to Shaq.

Or the fact that your comparing a prime Jordan to Kobe at 21/22/23 years of age

Jordan wasn't PRIME at 33,34,35 years of age when he won his lost 3 championships. Jordan shot BETTER than Kobe from 3 in the Finals, when Jordan won his first 3-peat, BEFORE the short 3-point lines.....NEXT

[PTB Fan]

Michael Jordan is arguably the best performer in Finals History. Kobe has no case here.

Next

[bwink23]

If only Kobe played in the fourth quarter. He would have easily had 70 points. Then he would have two 70+ point performances in his career :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:


Like Kobe didn't pad his stats, continuing to score in a BLOWOUT win....How much do u have to be up before u start passing the damn ball? ZERO assists, 25 FT attempts in 3 quarters?? It's not like he scored that in a tight game.

[L8kersfan222]

Like Kobe didn't pad his stats, continuing to score in a BLOWOUT win....How much do u have to be up before u start passing the damn ball? ZERO assists, 25 FT attempts in 3 quarters?? It's not like he scored that in a tight game.


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[Doranku]

You're one of the worst posters on the internet. Do you really think you are that clever?

Clearly, this thread is a response to one of the many made by Kobe-retards (like you) trying to discredit other players while promoting Kobe.

Why do you always act as if people on this website do not know your agenda? You try to throw in your two-cents with a bit of reason, but no one is falling for it. Basically, you're a dumb kid attempting to be clever.

What the f*ck does any of this have to do with my post? :roll: My God, how butthurt are you? Honestly... that posts reeks of some jealous ex-girlfriend shit.

If you don't like my posting so much, how about you put me on ignore instead of posting garbage like this estrogen filled post?

[chazzy]

What the f*ck does any of this have to do with my post? :roll: My God, how butthurt are you? Honestly... that posts reeks of some jealous ex-girlfriend shit.

If you don't like my posting so much, how about you put me on ignore instead of posting garbage like this estrogen filled post?
:oldlol: Remember this shit? http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=232798&page=3

[WindmiLL]

What the f*ck does any of this have to do with my post? :roll: My God, how butthurt are you? Honestly... that posts reeks of some jealous ex-girlfriend shit.

If you don't like my posting so much, how about you put me on ignore instead of posting garbage like this estrogen filled post?



Basically, he hit the nail on the head and owned your stupid ass totally.


Props to that artest guy:applause:

[7_cody]

This is why I don't rely on stats. I watch the games. The problem is, if we want to debate with evidence, we need to use them.

Look at who Jordan faced in the Finals. Seriously, John Stockton and grandpa-legs Bryon Russel. Watch the games.

Even though the defense Jordan faced was no where near (except once) the Celtics and the Pistons that Kobe has gone up against, I would STILL rank Jordan above Kobe.

We get it. Jordan is better than Kobe. Jordan is probably the GOAT. If I had to pick one player in NBA history in their prime to start my team with, I'm going with Jordan. With that said, Kobe is my favorite player, is top 10 and is the most skilled player in history, but not the most dominate/effective.

Kobe is amazing. He plays well in the Finals. There are several factors to consider.

Last point to be made, anyone that thinks Wade would put up the same numbers against the same Celtics or Pistons needs brain surgery. I personally believe Wade would have slightly better numbers than Kobe, and it's not because he's a better player, it's because of Wade's gamestyle. He's reckless. He attacks the basket. He'll get more calls that way and a better scoring stat line.

[StarJordan]

When michael jordan goes to the NBA finals....he WINS it. Its over.

[D-Wade316]

Michael Jordan is arguably the best performer in Finals History. Kobe has no case here.

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[D-Wade316]

When michael jordan goes to the NBA finals....he WINS it. Its over.
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[BEAST Griffin]

Kobe Bryant has never truly impressed in the finals. Everything else is revisionist history.

[7_cody]

^ It's hard to take you seriously when you have such an obvious agenda.

edit: Oops, the arrow was meant to point to the Wade poster guy above.

[D-Wade316]

^ It's hard to take you seriously when you have such an obvious agenda.

edit: Oops, the arrow was meant to point to the Wade poster guy above.
Are you hurt by facts? God, Kobe fans are so mad when I say the truth. :facepalm

[7_cody]

Kobe Bryant has never truly impressed in the finals. Everything else is revisionist history.

Depends on what you mean by truly impressive. Has he ever truly OMFG DOMINATED the Finals? Absolutely not. Is he a poor Finals performer? Hell no!

Have you watched them both?

Did you see with your eyes who they were facing? What the defense was like? What their matchups were?

But you're right, there's not way to prove anything from here on out. MJ looked just like Kobe when he faced the Piston. I watched the series. He was laying bricks.

Kobe has never, other than as a 18 or 19 year old, had a hard time dominating the Jazz, for example, in the playoffs, and hypothetically speaking, in the Finals.

[7_cody]

Are you hurt but facts? God, Kobe fans are so mad when I say the truth. :facepalm

Am I hurt but facts?

Did you read my prior posts?

[Doranku]

:oldlol: Remember this shit? http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=232798&page=3
:roll: :roll: :roll:

Dude has some personal vendetta against me for being a fan of Kobe or something. It's like whenever he logs on and sees me post he replies with some emotional ramble of insults.

I say that Kobe shouldn't be compared to Jordan because Jordan is clearly better (which he agrees with, obviously) and he tells me to get a job along with a whole other slew of insults... :wtf:

Definitely some deep seeded issues going on over there.


Basically, he hit the nail on the head and owned your stupid ass totally.


Props to that artest guy:applause:

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[D-Wade316]

Am I hurt but facts?

Did you read my prior posts?
The impact of a player on a game is reflected by stats. That's why MJ is GOAT because his stats are mind-boggling.

[Inception28]

The impact of a player on a game is reflected by stats. That's why MJ is GOAT because his stats are mind-boggling.
:facepalm If stats meant everything then Wilt Chamberlain would be the GOAT, not Michael Jordan.

Being more productive than another player does not make you better than that other player.

[D-Wade316]

:facepalm If stats meant everything then Wilt Chamberlain would be the GOAT, not Michael Jordan.

Being more productive than another player does not make you better than that other player.
I didn't say that stats mean everything. When did I say that? It is only a basis. We also have to factor clutch performance, competition. If we factor those, MJ is still GOAT.

[Inception28]

I didn't say that stats mean everything. When did I say that? It is only a basis. We also have to factor clutch performance, competition. If we factor those, MJ is still GOAT.


That's why MJ is GOAT because his stats are mind-boggling

You will more than likely have faulty logic in this case, but whatever. What team were you a fan of before the summer of 2010?

[D-Wade316]

You will more than likely have faulty logic in this case, but whatever. What team were you a fan of before the summer of 2010?
Laker fan during Shaq's 3-peat, then became a Heat and Wade fan after Shaq went to Miami.