Did the Bulls overachieve last regular season? Phil Jackson thinks so

[insidehoops]

The Bulls led the entire league in regular season wins in 2010-11.

And, Derrick Rose, despite his youth, won MVP.

Did the team as a whole overachieve? Are they not quite THAT amazing a squad?

Phil Jackson thinks so.

Read this, and share your thoughts:

http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=8517

[Celtics4ever]

The Bulls led the entire league in regular season wins in 2010-11.

And, Derrick Rose, despite his youth, won MVP.

Did the team as a whole overachieve? Are they not quite THAT amazing a squad?

Phil Jackson thinks so.

Read this, and share your thoughts:

http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=8517


The Bulls are as worse as the Bucks without Rose. Lets hope they give him some help. Don't want this to be the LeBron situation in Clevland.

[SCdac]

Could probably say that more so about the Spurs, who also finished with 60+ wins, but with a mostly veteran lead cast of players who have alot mileage. At least the Bulls had a young player like Rose as the heart of the team, and player like Boozer who per-36 minutes averages close to 20 ppg. None the less, I don't think failing in the playoffs necessarily means a winning team "overachieved" in the regular season. It just means they (as a team) weren't ready for the intensity that is playoff basketball and had weaknesses that could be costly in a 7 game series.

[tpols]

It just means they (as a team) weren't ready for the intensity that is playoff basketball and had weaknesses that could be costly in a 7 game series.
I mean.. that pretty much means they overachieved. The playoffs usually show the true strength of a team, and they showed that the Bull's regular season record was not indicative of how good they really were.

[MichaelCheazley]

I believe so. But as long as they find a way for boozer to get lost and rose to get better. Maybe even throw in a decent sg there theyll do fine for the next couple of years.

[SCdac]

I mean.. that pretty much means they overachieved. The playoffs usually show the true strength of a team, and they showed that the Bull's regular season record was not indicative of how good they really were.

I guess I don't agree that a teams record is an exact representation of how good the team will be come the playoffs, that would cause some real black and white "over/under achieving". Rather, "over achieving" to me is more of a team that suspiciously and awkwardly falls flat in the playoffs, like say SA last season. The Bulls made it to the ECF for the first time since 1998, which in it of itself is an achievement IMO. Given their knack for defense, their MVP's level of player, and their relatively well rounded cast of role players, I think their 61 win season wasn't that strange (relative to other 60-win teams).

[Pointguard]

I said this all season that they overachieved. As a young team with key injuries for a prolonged period of time, whole new situation and starting consistency from only two positions, no player of distinction in any area outside of Rose. Outside of Rose the team lacked dribblers and was deficient in creativity. Not loosing to a top 8 team since Dec. 3rd? 22 year old leader. A lot of close games and 4th quarter wins with Rose not getting calls. No vets to win games on simple know-how. They could have had more excuses than anybody in the top eight, but they came away with the best record.

I'm glad Phil said something cause folks were dieing to ignore this.

Phil also said Rose was unstoppable and could be better on the pick and role.

[OmniStrife]

Well I doubt they could achieve such a record in the western conference.

[Pointguard]

Well I doubt they could achieve such a record in the western conference.

And why might this be important?

[EnoughSaid]

The Bulls were never an ELITE team. I wouldn't put them up there with the Heat, Celtics, Lakers and OKC. No body expected them to do that well and no one expected Rose to get MVP. I think they just got lucky and everyone fit in. Their bench helped tremendously too.

[Go Getter]

The Bulls were never an ELITE team. I wouldn't put them up there with the Heat, Celtics, Lakers and OKC. No body expected them to do that well and no one expected Rose to get MVP. I think they just got lucky and everyone fit in. Their bench helped tremendously too.

WE beat those teams handily and the Lakers got swept by the Mavs.

Why wouldn't we be "up there" with them?

To answer the OP:
1.) Yes. We overachieved.
2.) No, we weren't THAT amazing of a squad we played grind it out, improvised, often sloppy ball (esp. on offense).
3.) With a few tweaks I truly believe we can be champs in 2-3 years.

[icewill36]

last years bulls were not much different than the cavs a few years ago. one superstar and a great defensive team. bulls D is championship level but they need more scorers, d. rose cant do it alone.

[Lebron23]

Heat, Bulls and The Celtics were the only real elite teams in the Eastern Conference Last season.

[Vienceslav]

I think they did as much as the possibly could with that team.
Overachieving implies that they had no business to have 60 win season, which is a bit of an overstatement i would say.
Playoff wise only Celtics,Heat and Chicago had a realistic change of being in the ECF and the way the seeding turned out Chicago v Heat is what we got.
So no overachieving to see here.

[knicksman]

most defensive teams overachieve in their first season and regress next. Thats what you get from playing through hustle(defense) instead of skill(offense). Once players get tired of playing defense, they will regress because they dont have the offense to fall back.

Most teams have second gear during playoffs and thats because they increase their efforts on defense. While bulls are already playing with their second gear during the regular season because they are a defensive team. Its good to play defense but the effects of it to players makes it ideal to play as less as possible and use it only in the playoffs. Because defense is the major cause of injuries. Just look at the defensive anchors in this league, you can only find few of them which are healthy and 1 of them is dwight but it requires for him to have that kind of body if you want to survive the contacts hes taking. So I predict bulls to regress next season. In fact their defensive anchor(noah) already hinted not liking thibs and he missed so many games due to defense. Once players quit playing defense, its over.

[Pointguard]

most defensive teams overachieve in their first season and regress next. Thats what you get from playing through hustle(defense) instead of skill(offense). Once players get tired of playing defense, they will regress because they dont have the offense to fall back.
I agree there. I think if the team keeps healthy they can win 60 next year. The offense has to get better next year.

[Pointguard]

I think they did as much as the possibly could with that team.
Overachieving implies that they had no business to have 60 win season, which is a bit of an overstatement i would say.Playoff wise only Celtics,Heat and Chicago had a realistic change of being in the ECF and the way the seeding turned out Chicago v Heat is what we got.
So no overachieving to see here.

Even with the injuries, new system, new personelle, being young best record with superteams in the mix?

[Go Getter]

most defensive teams overachieve in their first season and regress next. Thats what you get from playing through hustle(defense) instead of skill(offense). Once players get tired of playing defense, they will regress because they dont have the offense to fall back.

Most teams have second gear during playoffs and thats because they increase their efforts on defense. While bulls are already playing with their second gear during the regular season because they are a defensive team. Its good to play defense but the effects of it to players makes it ideal to play as less as possible and use it only in the playoffs. Because defense is the major cause of injuries. Just look at the defensive anchors in this league, you can only find few of them which are healthy and 1 of them is dwight but it requires for him to have that kind of body if you want to survive the contacts hes taking. So I predict bulls to regress next season. In fact their defensive anchor(noah) already hinted not liking thibs and he missed so many games due to defense. Once players quit playing defense, its over.


Dude this post is full of shit. For real, you sound stupid alluding to things with no evidence and expressing points you have no way of proving.

[dak121]

Bulls did overachieve last season record-wise. I doubt they'll win 60+ games next season but they'll be better prepared for the playoffs with experience.

Although I'm not the biggest fan of Bulls management, they're not as terribly run as the Cavs (Boozer is nowhere close to as bad a move as Larry Hughes) were when LeBron was there so I'm not that worried about the team getting worse in any way.

Thibodeau needs to hire an offensive assistant though. He's just as clueless about offense as Mike Brown is.

[dak121]

Dude this post is full of shit. For real, you sound stupid alluding to things with no evidence and expressing points you have no way of proving.

He's a Knicks fan. They haven't seen a team of theirs play good defense since Clinton was President.

[Go Getter]

He's a Knicks fan. They haven't seen a team of theirs play good defense since Clinton was President.
But c'Mon now, defense causes injuries? It's best to play less defense?


You can tell dude has never been on a team in his life.

[nathanjizzle]

they did overachieve in the regular season...i saw them as a 52 win team but they actually got 60 wins. But as far as playoffs i expected them to reach the ECF and no further than that.

[chains5000]

Anybody who doesn't think they did, just remember who their starting SG was.

[miamiandorlando]

they did overachieve in the regular season...i saw them as a 52 win team but they actually got 60 wins. But as far as playoffs i expected them to reach the ECF and no further than that.


i agree with the regular season, they blew my mind by winning so many games, bt i didn't expect them to make the ECF

[longtime lurker]

Being in the ECF does not seem like a team that overachieved to me.

[Kurosawa0]

They were still a top five team last year. I'd probably only put Dallas and Miami ahead of them to be honest. I don't know if Boston, OKC or the Lakers would've beaten them.

[Nelson14]

man i would've loved to see magic/bulls
though rose would've been torchin jameer

[ConanRulesNBC]

No. They just weren't ready to beat the good teams in a 7 game series. But in the regular season they were absolutely the best team in the NBA.

Plus, they got screwed a ton by the refs in that Heat series.

[knicksman]

Dude this post is full of shit. For real, you sound stupid alluding to things with no evidence and expressing points you have no way of proving.

The truth hurts bro. Offense is important to preserve your health. Having a good offense enables your team to coast on defense against the lottery teams whereas your team needs to hustle playing against them. Thats why dallas won because they are the better offensive team. Thats why pjax won 11 rings because he has offense to go along with defense. Saying defense is more important than offense is like saying defensive players like ben wallace are more important than nowitzki

[ConanRulesNBC]

i agree with the regular season, they blew my mind by winning so many games, bt i didn't expect them to make the ECF

You didn't expect them to beat the Pacers and Hawks? :wtf:

[knicksman]

You didn't expect them to beat the Pacers and Hawks? :wtf:

The series would gone 6 or 7 though if rose wasnt gifted with those 20+ fts.

[G-train]

Plus, they got screwed a ton by the refs in that Heat series.

:lol

Please. They were close games and your man couldnt chuck enough shots in fourth quarters.

Of course they overachieved. Everything Phil said was correct.

[Rnbizzle]

The series would gone 6 or 7 though if rose wasnt gifted with those 20+ fts.
'Gifted'.. if anything, Rose didn't get enough calls. It happens so often, he gets so fouled in those sick layups (and still makes them).. doesn't get a call. Just because he's one of the greatest slashers in the league right now, doesn't mean he got 'gifted' 20 free throws.

On a side note, the same thing goes for Wade in the 06 finals, people will just dig up the numbers and compare them to, say Kobe, and say 'well Wade got 5 more free throws a game then Kobe did, must have been a set up.. Maybe it's because their playing styles are different? Jump shooters vs. Slashers.. It's not that complicated. :facepalm

On topic; to a certain degree we did overachieve, we got the easiest match-ups in the entire playoffs up until the Heat, kinda surprised me our shitty offense didn't get exposed earlier.

With a decent SG added the Bulls can go all the way if you ask me. Boozer's fine, he has been injured badly for the most part of last year so everybody hating on him when he was just getting back in rhythm needs to calm down. I feel like he'll have a bounce back year next year, if he can stay healthy that is.

[ConanRulesNBC]

:lol

Please. They were close games and your man couldnt chuck enough shots in fourth quarters.

Of course they overachieved. Everything Phil said was correct.

What game was it where Boozer fouled LeBron pretty hard and then the refs decided to send Miami to the free throw line like 8 more times after that for pathetic looking "fouls". The refs had a big hand in helping Miami that series.

[Micku]

I think they did fine.

They had a pretty decent frontline. They also had a pretty good coach and solid players overall. They probably need another scorer to give the weight off of Rose.

I thought the frontline of the Bulls would shut down the Heat, but that wasn't the case. They just need probably one good piece then they should give more of a fight.

[Go Getter]

The truth hurts bro. Offense is important to preserve your health. Having a good offense enables your team to coast on defense against the lottery teams whereas your team needs to hustle playing against them. Thats why dallas won because they are the better offensive team. Thats why pjax won 11 rings because he has offense to go along with defense. Saying defense is more important than offense is like saying defensive players like ben wallace are more important than nowitzki
Defense is more important than offense point blank.

The Celtics, Bulls, Spurs, Pistons, etc...all their great teams revolved around defense.

D Howard is a better player than Dirk (That's a better comparison).

Only when Dirk had help at forward (Tyson/Marion) that played good d did he win a championship. It's not a coincidence. When the Mavs got better defensively (and their comp got old) they won.

You have no proof that more players get hurt on defense. Idk where you get that bullshit from.

[G-train]

Defense is more important than offense point blank.



You are right, but unless Boozer is a consistent scorer in the block (and I mean the block not 18 feet out) then the bulls are just cannon fodder for playoff elite teams (teams build to succeed under intense playoff pressure).
Vast majority of regular season games are played at a pathetic level of intensity by most players.

[Go Getter]

You are right, but unless Boozer is a consistent scorer in the block (and I mean the block not 18 feet out) then the bulls are just cannon fodder for playoff elite teams (teams build to succeed under intense playoff pressure).
Vast majority of regular season games are played at a pathetic level of intensity by most players.


Dirk is a PF who scores consistently from 18 feet out and the Mavs had no low post threat...so why do the Bulls need what the Mavs didn't?

[G-train]

Dirk is a PF who scores consistently from 18 feet out and the Mavs had no low post threat...so why do the Bulls need what the Mavs didn't?

Yeah cos Booze isn't Dirk. :confusedshrug:

[knicksman]

Defense is more important than offense point blank.

The Celtics, Bulls, Spurs, Pistons, etc...all their great teams revolved around defense.

D Howard is a better player than Dirk (That's a better comparison).

Only when Dirk had help at forward (Tyson/Marion) that played good d did he win a championship. It's not a coincidence. When the Mavs got better defensively (and their comp got old) they won.

You have no proof that more players get hurt on defense. Idk where you get that bullshit from.

but they also have a top 10 offense to go along with defense. Actually the average offensive rating and defensive rating of the past champions is 5th for defense and 6th for offense so yeah keep dreaming like you dont need offense coz your team will fail in the end. The reason why defense is higher because its harder to play offense.

And LOL at howard being better than dirk. You act like dirk is just becomes better this year when this guy just consistently won 50+ wins in his career. And has been to the finals twice and if wade wasnt gifted 30+ fts, he would have 2 chips by now.

Well why dont you just look at the center position if you want proof of playing defense=injuries. Noah, bynum, perkins, oden, yao, nene, shaq, etc. are all injury prones. And there are other centers too.

[Go Getter]

Yeah cos Booze isn't Dirk. :confusedshrug:
No shit....And Boozer isn't our #1 option either....the point I had a problem with is that Booz is expected to play under the rim at PF but Dirk is not.

[Go Getter]

but they also have a top 10 offense to go along with defense. Actually the average offensive rating and defensive rating of the past champions is 5th for defense and 6th for offense so yeah keep dreaming like you dont need offense coz your team will fail in the end. The reason why defense is higher because its harder to play offense.

And LOL at howard being better than dirk. You act like dirk is just becomes better this year when this guy just consistently won 50+ wins in his career. And has been to the finals twice and if wade wasnt gifted 30+ fts, he would have 2 chips by now.

Well why dont you just look at the center position if you want proof of playing defense=injuries. Noah, bynum, perkins, oden, yao, nene, shaq, etc. are all injury prones. And there are other centers too.
1. So the average for Champions is 5th for defense and 6th for offense....whose argument does that support?

2. I never said YOU don't need OFFENSE, I said OFFENSE takes a back seat to defense....any coach will tell you that...it's why you hardly ever touch a basketball the first day of practice/camp.

3. Excuses, excuses. D. Howard, the best defensive player in the game is better than Dirk, the best offensive PF in the game.

4. Being tall and having that large a frame on over active knees is the reason centers are injury-prone. Oden got hurt standing up...he wasn't even playing ball.:facepalm

[knicksman]

1. So the average for Champions is 5th for defense and 6th for offense....whose argument does that support?

2. I never said YOU don't need OFFENSE, I said OFFENSE takes a back seat to defense....any coach will tell you that...it's why you hardly ever touch a basketball the first day of practice/camp.

3. Excuses, excuses. D. Howard, the best defensive player in the game is better than Dirk, the best offensive PF in the game.

4. Being tall and having that large a frame on over active knees is the reason centers are injury-prone. Oden got hurt standing up...he wasn't even playing ball.:facepalm

so the gap is only 1 so that means they are almost equally important. And offense taking a backseat? I dont think so, you need both so its up to you which to focus. All I know that there are teams that can win with defense and there are teams that can win with offense as long as youre top 10 at both. Defense is higher by 1 coz its easier to play than offense. But ill take the harder part. Defense is easier but the chances of injuries are higher on defensive teams than offensive teams.

Maybe for you howard is better than dirk. But the ring speak for itself. Its easier to be like howard than to be like dirk. Its just that nobody wants to play howard style or play defense. Players dont want to get injured banging against opposing players. Im sure howard would rather play like dirk.

well pfs are also tall yet they are less injury prones esp those offensive pfs who never cared about defense like dirk, amare, bosh.

[OmniStrife]

I don't get it.

Did they overachieve by winning 60+?

So what, so did the Spurs.

Did they overachieve by getting to the ECF?

Weren't they supposed to beat the Pacers, Hawks?

[SunsCaptain]

Honest question...Did the Heat overachieve?

Regular season:

Bench:
http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/11/7/eff/7-1
Center:
http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/11/10/eff/7-1
PG:
http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/11/12/eff/7-1
PF:
http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/11/9/eff/7-1

Post season:

Bench:
http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/11/7/eff/8-1
Center:
http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/11/10/eff/8-1
PG:
http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/11/12/eff/8-1
PF:
http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/11/9/eff/8-1

I mean seriously?

If we look at miami vs. chicago on paper...

Bench:

Miami: 24th Chicago: 14th

Center:

Miami: 30th Chicago: 20th

PG:

Miami: 27th Chicago 2nd

PF:

Miami: 9th Chicago: 10th

SG:

Miami: 2nd Chicago: 27th

SF:

Miami: 1st Chicago: 7th

Basically if you averaged them to kinda go head to head...

Miami: 16 Chicago: 13

I mean all Miami has is a SG and SF. Wade and LeBron.

Now Dallas is even Better...

Bench: 2nd

Center: 11th

PG: 12th

PF: 6th

SG: 19th

SF: 9th

Dallas: 10 Chicago: 13 Miami: 16

Lets look at a random playoff team... Thunder?

Thunder:

Bench: 7th

Center: 28th

PG: 1st

PF: 15th

SG: 11th

SF: 3rd

Dallas: 10 Thunder: 11 Chicago: 13 Miami: 16 Boston: 17

Lower the better obviously.

Yes Miami will be a force to reckon with when they fill out their position and fill the holes. But last season? I think they were far from the best team. They basically only have two players driving that team.

Many teams could have beat them in the playoffs or finals. Dallas did beat them, Thunder could have beat them, chicago could have beat them, Boston could have beat them.

During the regular season the Heat went 2-8 VS. these 4 teams.

Last season anyone could have beat them. They were not that good but very overrated. I will say it again though...They will become quite the force once they get the right role players. LeBron and Wade can only do so much.

Just my two cents feel free to share your opinions :D

[OmniStrife]

If we look at miami vs. chicago on paper...

Well, it's good that we don't play basketball on paper then, don't we?

[SunsCaptain]

Well, it's good that we don't play basketball on paper then, don't we?

We should all quit the forums!!!!!!!!!!! Talking basketball is nonsense!!!!!






AGHANLWEKGMW'
;R,EHQERH

[OmniStrife]

We should all quit the forums!!!!!!!!!!! Talking basketball is nonsense!!!!!






AGHANLWEKGMW'
;R,EHQERH

Didn't say nothing about talking, just playing...

Plus, a real superstar can always make all matchups \ ratings \ stats obsolete at a given moment of greatness.

The Heat have 2 such players.

[SunsCaptain]

Didn't say nothing about talking, just playing...

Plus, a real superstar can always make all matchups \ ratings \ stats obsolete at a given moment of greatness.

The Heat have 2 such players.

The stats posted arnt of any 1 player.

Bench is obviously the bench multiple players

And when it says say SF thats not Just LeBron its multiple players same goes for the other positions.

Its a team game those are team stats.

If I wanted to compare superstars like everyone else on this forum I would have done so.

[Go Getter]

so the gap is only 1 so that means they are almost equally important. And offense taking a backseat? I dont think so, you need both so its up to you which to focus. All I know that there are teams that can win with defense and there are teams that can win with offense as long as youre top 10 at both. Defense is higher by 1 coz its easier to play than offense. But ill take the harder part. Defense is easier but the chances of injuries are higher on defensive teams than offensive teams.

Maybe for you howard is better than dirk. But the ring speak for itself. Its easier to be like howard than to be like dirk. Its just that nobody wants to play howard style or play defense. Players dont want to get injured banging against opposing players. Im sure howard would rather play like dirk.

well pfs are also tall yet they are less injury prones esp those offensive pfs who never cared about defense like dirk, amare, bosh.

You need both, correct, but only one feeds the other...good defense leads to easy buckets...good offense does not lead to good defense.

defense is NOT easier than offense :facepalm

Howard IS better than Dirk pretty much everyone but you knows this.

Amare and Bosh are rather injury prone wtf are you talking about?

Steve Nash's back is always aching and he doesn't play a lick of d.

[Duncan21formvp]

No one expected them to even be higher than a 4 seed.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=SummerForecast10-EastChamps


1. Miami - 66 votes
2. Orlando - 16 votes
3. Boston - 10 votes
4. Chicago - 1 vote




http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=SummerForecast10-EastStandings

CONF TEAM W L PCT 10 W 10 L 10 PCT
1
Miami Heat 61 21 .744 47 35 .573
Meet the Miami Globetrotters -- with the rest of the East playing the part of the Washington Generals. Our panel says the Super Friends should run circles around the rest of the conference, except perhaps for Orlando. Then again, Boston eliminated both D-Wade and King James a year ago, so that's why they play the postseason

[knicksman]

You need both, correct, but only one feeds the other...good defense leads to easy buckets...good offense does not lead to good defense.

defense is NOT easier than offense :facepalm

Howard IS better than Dirk pretty much everyone but you knows this.

Amare and Bosh are rather injury prone wtf are you talking about?

Steve Nash's back is always aching and he doesn't play a lick of d.

good offense leads to lesser injuries. You dont get good buckets when your offensive players(like boozer) are injured esp in the more important moments like the playoffs. And good offense too leads to better defense coz your defense would be set up properly by avoiding fast breaks. They are dependent to each other but its easier to play defense than offense. Just like its easier to be a defensive player like howard than to be a player like dirk. Theres a reason why dirk is being mentioned as one of the most unique player in the history because no one can do his style. There are lots of defensive coaches having no jobs at all but only few offensive coaches in this league. You have jeff van gundy having no job and larry brown willing to be an assistant coach in boston while i cant think of any offensive coach that has no job which means that its easier to be a defensive coach than an offensive coach.

Defensive coaches may have higher wins in their first year but on a 5-year stretch, I believe offensive coaches are better. Defensive coaches are coaches that doesnt care about their team long-term, they only care about now and their name without regard of the health of its players. Just like defensive players who are willing to sacrifice their bodies to earn those huge contracts, defensive coaches are also willing to sacrifice the health of its players just to earn those huge contracts. Thats why pjax said that the bulls overachieve coz these defensive coaches only care about NOW and not longterm. But of course fans think that its not the coaches fault when their players get injured because they think its just bad luck.LOL Thats why they think defensive coaches are better because they are better in the first year and doesnt include in their evaluation the 2nd year coz they have an injury riddled roster. Its really the same with players, cp3 is ranked higher than melo because of his defense. But melo is still more productive than him the last 4 years. But fans just care about peak rather than longetivity thats why cp3 is always better ignoring the fact that him playing defense is the cause of him not being able to produce what hes capable of right now. Just like fans only care about jeff van gundy making it to the finals while ignoring the fact that he injured and ended the careers of tmac and yao.

In contrast, offensive teams like the suns have been known to have the best doctors. Shaq, grant hill have preserved their health when playing for the suns. Is it really because of their doctors? or because of their OFFENSIVE SYSTEM?

Amare and bosh has been more healthy compared to the centers like bynum, yao, oden, noah, perkins in this league. And steve nash may have a bad back at the age of 38 but chris paul and deron already have been injury prones while they were not yet at their peaks. And the cause of cp3s injury? yeah hustling(defense) for the ball and eventually landed on the cameraman.

[Jasper]

some posters are banging on Boozer , but why not think how he played with D-Will , and Rose could not play up to that par :confusedshrug:

Rose played SG point , which means he was first option , and everyone else was last option.
Boozer is better than most ISH fans realize .. .he needs consistant touchs on the blocks to make his offense work.

I think Jax is correct , but rose has some of that on his shoulders because his coach wanted him to play that way.
That means alot of the offense was no longer a team related offense .
Obviously it threw many teams off , trying to defend the Bulls.

Not this year , if they play.

[G-train]

No shit....And Boozer isn't our #1 option either....the point I had a problem with is that Booz is expected to play under the rim at PF but Dirk is not.

Makes no sense. Boozer is an effective post player that shoots too many jumpshots. The bulls need an inside presence with their structure and he didnt provide it consistently.
Dirk is the sole star player, he is a 7 foot guard. His game is outside.

[Rnbizzle]

Makes no sense. Boozer is an effective post player that shoots too many jumpshots. The bulls need an inside presence with their structure and he didnt provide it consistently.
Dirk is the sole star player, he is a 7 foot guard. His game is outside.
Well, if Boozer can consistently knock down the jumpshots and Rose puts enough pressure on the D with his penetration, their pick n pop game works quite well, without actually trying to post up Boozer down low. A la Bosh in Miami, really. If the Bulls can add a decent SG who can also create run a pick and roll and knock down some shots..

[Smoke117]

Knicksman is the number 1 reason why pretty much everyone thinks knick's fans are idiots and obviously deservedly so.

[G-train]

Well, if Boozer can consistently knock down the jumpshots and Rose puts enough pressure on the D with his penetration, their pick n pop game works quite well, without actually trying to post up Boozer down low. A la Bosh in Miami, really. If the Bulls can add a decent SG who can also create run a pick and roll and knock down some shots..

He doesnt do anything consistently.
He is a brute sized man with no heart.
The bulls need to be able to have an interior scorer to throw the ball to in the low block consistently, paired with Rose scoring 20-25 efficiently.
If they dont they will never win the title with a team like this.

[knicksman]

Knicksman is the number 1 reason why pretty much everyone thinks knick's fans are idiots and obviously deservedly so.

youre just mad that you dont posses my analytical skills