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Yao Ming's Foot

10-31-2011, 01:04 PM

10. Kobe Bryant vs 2004 Spurs (94.1 DEF RATING)

http://lakers.topbuzz.com/gallery/d/24117-2/Kobe+Bryant+layup+over+Bruce+Bowen.jpg

42 points, 15 for 27, 10-13 FT, 6 rebs, 5 assists 36.1 GameScore

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjr2kNQVbXg

9. Shaquille O'Neal vs 2001 Kings (99.6 DEF RATING)

http://images.usatoday.com/sports/nba/_photos/2001-05-06-oneal.jpg

43 points, 18 for 26, 7 for 13 FT, 20 rebounds, 3 blocks 37.1 GameScore

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8. Anfernee Hardaway vs 1997 Heat (100.6 DEF Rating)

http://content9.flixster.com/photo/13/08/78/13087851_ori.jpg

41 points, 12 for 23, 4 for 8 3pts, 7 rebs, 3 blocks, 38.1 GameScore

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1vefSacsik

7. Shaquille O'Neal vs 2001 Kings (99.6 DEF RATING)

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/2001/playoffs/news/2001/05/06/kings_lakers_ap/lg_shaq_ap.jpg

44 points, 17 for 32, 10-19 FT, 21 rebounds, 7 blocks, 40.0 GameScore

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b63E_mNpAg

6. Tim Duncan vs 2003 Nets (98.1 DEF RATING)

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2008/0611/nba_g_tduncan1_580.jpg

32 points, 11 for 17, 10-14 FT, 20 rebounds, 6 assists, 7 blocks, 40.8 GameScore

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwWqsbANx6g

5. Dirk Nowitzki vs 2001 Spurs (98.0 DEF RATING)

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/2001/playoffs/news/2001/05/12/spurs_mavs_ap/t1_nowitzki_ap-01.jpg

42 points, 14 for 24, 14-18 FT, 18 rebounds, 6 steals, 41.3 GameScore

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx5qjSOCxVc

4. Michael Jordan vs 1993 Knicks (99.7 DEF RATING)

http://www.sneakerfiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/1992_1993__knicks.jpg

54 points, 18 for 30, 6-9 3pt, 12-14 FT, 6 rebs 41.3 GameScore

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoVMIZWS_-A

3. Paul Pierce vs 2002 76ers (100.3 DEF RATING)

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/146/258/RackMultipart.28901.0_display_image.jpg

46 points, 16 for 25, 8-10 3pt, 6 assists 41.6 GameScore

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_gdjB8boaI

2. Kobe Bryant vs 2001 Kings (99.6 DEF RATING)

http://espn.go.com/media/nba/2001/0517/photo/r_kobe_bryant_i.jpg

48 pts, 15 for 29, 17-19 FT, 16 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals 43.3 GameScore

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpArN4LbTI0

1. Vince Carter vs 2001 76ers (98.9 DEF RATING)

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/indepth/carter/gfx/carter_vince441_262.jpg

50 pts, 19 for 29, 9-13 from 3, 6 rebs, 7 assists, 4 blocks 46.8 GameScore

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5qm5wVj0U0

Vienceslav

10-31-2011, 01:07 PM

Looks like i have a new program for the evening.
Thanks for posting. :applause:

Deuce Bigalow

10-31-2011, 10:34 PM

nice :applause:

What about Jordan's 63 vs Cs in 1986?

Yao Ming's Foot

11-01-2011, 01:18 AM

nice :applause:

What about Jordan's 63 vs Cs in 1986?

Def Rtg: 102.6 is above the admittedly arbitrary cutoff of 100.6 ( I was thinking 100 or less at first, but Pierce was so close and Penny was so close to Pierce after that)

According to wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_top_indivi dual_game_scores) it would #1 @ 48.6 though (#17 on the list)

Deuce Bigalow

11-01-2011, 01:21 AM

Def Rtg: 102.6 is above the admittedly arbitrary cutoff of 100.6 ( I was thinking 100 or less at first, but Pierce was so close and Penny was so close to Pierce after that)

According to wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_top_indivi dual_game_scores) it would #1 @ 48.6 though (#17 on the list)

Oh OK makes sense

I dont get why Kobe's 45/10 game vs 01 Spurs is such a low gamescore though

What is interesting is that those 2 Shaq performances were back to back

Yao Ming's Foot

11-01-2011, 01:31 AM

Oh OK makes sense

I dont get why Kobe's 45/10 game vs 01 Spurs is such a low gamescore though

What is interesting is that those 2 Shaq performances were back to back

Only 6 FTM and 1 3PM for Kobe in that game. All of these other games have some sort of incredible 3 pt shooting, rebounding or FTs making to go with a high scoring total.

Dave3

11-01-2011, 02:32 AM

Def Rtg: 102.6 is above the admittedly arbitrary cutoff of 100.6 ( I was thinking 100 or less at first, but Pierce was so close and Penny was so close to Pierce after that)

According to wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_top_indivi dual_game_scores) it would #1 @ 48.6 though (#17 on the list)
You agree with the list and method of ranking (gamescore)? Seems slightly arbitrary. How does it work?

Yao Ming's Foot

11-01-2011, 02:53 AM

You agree with the list and method of ranking (gamescore)? Seems slightly arbitrary. How does it work?

GameScore is basically the one game equivalent of PER.

(Points x 1.0) + (FGM x 0.4) + (FGA x -0.7) + ((FTA-FTM) x -0.4) + (OREB x 0.7) + (DREB x 0.3) + (STL x 1.0) + (AST x 0.7) + (BLK x 0.7) + (PF x -0.4) + (TO x -1.0)

I chose it to rank the players just because it gave me a quick way to do so. Given the context of the games I'd 2004 Kobe game higher as well as Duncan's game. Kobe for playing against a better D than the other 9 and Duncan for his game being in the Finals. I'd move Dirk's down a bit considering that his team lost.

Yao Ming's Foot

11-01-2011, 02:55 AM

Also it would probably be better if GameScore didn't count blocks and steals. Getting more blocks and steals against a great defense doesn't mean anything more than getting blocks and steals against a weak defense.

pauk

11-01-2011, 03:13 AM

Lebron James vs 2008-09 Magic (#1 DEF RATING in the League)

Averaged:
39 PPG @ 49% FG
8 RPG
8 APG

Game 1 - 49 points, 6 rebounds, 8 assists... 20 of 30 shooting (67%)

Game 2 - 35 points, 4 rebounds, 5 assists...

Game 3 - 41 points, 7 rebounds, 9 assists...

Game 4 - 44 points, 12 rebounds, 7 assists...

Game 5 - 37 points, 14 rebounds, 12 assists...

Lebron James vs 2007-08 Celtics (#1 DEF RATING in the League)

Game 7 - 45 points, 6 assists, 5 rebounds...

:confusedshrug:

Yao Ming's Foot

11-01-2011, 10:59 AM

knightfall88

11-01-2011, 11:35 AM

Dave3

11-01-2011, 12:22 PM

GameScore is basically the one game equivalent of PER.

I chose it to rank the players just because it gave me a quick way to do so. Given the context of the games I'd 2004 Kobe game higher as well as Duncan's game. Kobe for playing against a better D than the other 9 and Duncan for his game being in the Finals. I'd move Dirk's down a bit considering that his team lost.
So you see this criteria as pretty solid other than the fact that the gamescore doesn't take competition into account?

Kyle_korver

11-01-2011, 12:31 PM

and his team got hammered LOL. wasn't even close to winning it. stat padding does not count
That series went to game 7 n wasnt a easy win for the celtics

Yao Ming's Foot

11-01-2011, 12:34 PM

So you see this criteria as pretty solid other than the fact that the gamescore doesn't take competition into account?

It also treats all overtime stats the same as a normal game which overrates them a bit.

Dave3

11-01-2011, 12:34 PM

and his team got hammered LOL. wasn't even close to winning it. stat padding does not count
Game 7...5 point game. How does one "stat pad" to the level of 45 points in a game like that?

Should I just expect you to not "see" this post?:oldlol:

Dave3

11-01-2011, 12:36 PM

It also treats all overtime stats the same as a normal game which overrates them a bit.
So other than counting overtime stats equally, you find no other issues with this? I'm just not usually a fan of abritrary formulas. *Like why is a certain stat is multiplied by 0.7*

Yao Ming's Foot

11-01-2011, 12:39 PM

So other than counting overtime stats equally, you find no other issues with this? I'm just not usually a fan of abritrary formulas. *Like why is a certain stat is multiplied by 0.7*

Can you offer up an alternative? Any stat that produces a single number to represent a player's impact on a game isn't going to be perfect.

Ideally the perfect formula for this particular list would account for only scoring, efficiency, offensive rebounds, assists and turnovers.

Dave3

11-01-2011, 12:50 PM

Can you offer up an alternative? Any stat that produces a single number to represent a player's impact on a game isn't going to be perfect.

Ideally the perfect formula for this particular list would account for only scoring, efficiency, offensive rebounds, assists and turnovers.
Oh no, it's just interesting that you use this formula that's all.

Just a little fact; going by that method of ranking, Jordan's 69 against Cleveland is considered better than Kobe's 81 (that's assuming they played against equal defense).

Then of course you look at the defense and see quite a discrepancy (113 vs. 107) in defensive rating favouring the Cavaliers.

So, my question is, is Jordan's 69 a better performance (against a better defense) than Kobe's 81?

Yao Ming's Foot

11-01-2011, 01:00 PM

Oh no, it's just interesting that you use this formula that's all.

Just a little fact; going by that method of ranking, Jordan's 69 against Cleveland is considered better than Kobe's 81 (that's assuming they played against equal defense).

Then of course you look at the defense and see quite a discrepancy (113 vs. 107) in defensive rating favouring the Cavaliers.

So, my question is, is Jordan's 69 a better performance (against a better defense) than Kobe's 81?

That was your big set up. :oldlol:

Its 64.6 vs 63.5 GameScore wise. Jordan had 18 rebounds that game too and the game went to overtime. If I made the top 10 regular season game performances against weak defenses I would have listed Jordan #1. :confusedshrug:

RRR3

11-01-2011, 01:02 PM

Yao Ming's Foot

11-01-2011, 01:06 PM

Because Kobe scored 81 against the legendary raptors d. :roll:

Kobe would be #2 on that list. :confusedshrug:

I don't know why Jordan stans are mad at Kobe. Vince Carter tops this list.

Deuce Bigalow

11-01-2011, 01:31 PM

Because Kobe scored 81 against the legendary raptors d. :roll:

How did Lebron do vs the Legendary Mavs D?
17.8 ppg, 5th leading scoere, outscored by a bench player
an 8 point game
:roll:

D-Wade316

11-01-2011, 01:38 PM

How did Lebron do vs the Legendary Mavs D?
17.8 ppg, 5th leading scoere, outscored by a bench player
an 8 point game
:roll:
8th in Drtg, 5th in pts allowed per game. :confusedshrug:

RRR3

11-01-2011, 01:38 PM

How did Lebron do vs the Legendary Mavs D?
17.8 ppg, 5th leading scoere, outscored by a bench player
an 8 point game
:roll:
Why u always bringing up lebron brah? U hella scared he gone surpass kobe. :applause:

D-Wade316

11-01-2011, 01:40 PM

Why u always bringing up lebron brah? U hella scared he gone surpass kobe. :applause:
Yep. He scared. Add Wade as well.

:banana: :banana: :banana:

Deuce Bigalow

11-01-2011, 01:46 PM

Why u always bringing up lebron brah? U hella scared he gone surpass kobe. :applause:
surpass him in what? :oldlol:

D-Wade316

11-01-2011, 01:51 PM

surpass him in what? :oldlol:
Why are you askin'? :oldlol:

Dave3

11-01-2011, 04:28 PM

That was your big set up. :oldlol:

Its 64.6 vs 63.5 GameScore wise. Jordan had 18 rebounds that game too and the game went to overtime. If I made the top 10 regular season game performances against weak defenses I would have listed Jordan #1. :confusedshrug:
Oh I don't really care, I just see "81" in every thread Kobe is mentioned, (especially as ammo against Jordan who's never done it) and knowing you're a Kobe fan was curious how you'd view that with the criteria you used for playoff games.

Yao Ming's Foot

11-01-2011, 05:33 PM

Oh I don't really care, I just see "81" in every thread Kobe is mentioned, (especially as ammo against Jordan who's never done it) and knowing you're a Kobe fan was curious how you'd view that with the criteria you used for playoff games.

Of course you care. That's why you are in this thread attempting to trip me up and failing.

Heavincent

11-01-2011, 05:38 PM

Because Kobe scored 81 against the legendary raptors d. :roll:

Don't even try to pretend like that wasn't the best regular season game performance since Wilt's 100 point game.

Heavincent

11-01-2011, 05:39 PM

Why u always bringing up lebron brah? U hella scared he gone surpass kobe. :applause:

Why would he be? Kobe is a top 10 player all-time. Lebron won't be passing him.

Dave3

11-01-2011, 05:50 PM

Of course you care. That's why you are in this thread attempting to trip me up and failing.
I care about enough to ask why you chose this criteria. Thought it peculiar you picked a criteria that puts the 69 over the 81 knowing which player you support.

What's there to fail? Just curious if you thought it was a fair criteria and you said it was.

Bigsmoke

11-01-2011, 05:59 PM

How did Lebron do vs the Legendary Mavs D?
17.8 ppg, 5th leading scoere, outscored by a bench player
an 8 point game
:roll:

Lets pretend that Kobe didnt get shitted on Rip and Billups in the Finals.:lol

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200406100DET.html

Deuce Bigalow

11-01-2011, 06:05 PM

Lets pretend that Kobe didnt get shitted on Rip and Billups in the Finals.:lol

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200406100DET.html

he atleast had a great game in their only win

Game 2 - 33/4/7 on 14-27 shooting
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200406080LAL.html

and atleast was clutch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM4zS6IX1Ug&feature=player_detailpage#t=172s

Yao Ming's Foot

11-01-2011, 06:50 PM

I care about enough to ask why you chose this criteria. Thought it peculiar you picked a criteria that puts the 69 over the 81 knowing which player you support.

What's there to fail? Just curious if you thought it was a fair criteria and you said it was.

I put Vince Carter over him and adjusted my initial criteria to include Paul Pierce (my least favorite player), why would I care about Michael Jordan being ahead of him?

Dave3

11-01-2011, 06:58 PM

I put Vince Carter over him and adjusted my initial criteria to include Paul Pierce (my least favorite player), why would I care about Michael Jordan being ahead of him?
Because 81 is one of the few things Kobe fans have on Jordan. It's in literally every argument against Jordan as an advantage. Just interesting you'd agree that the 69 was above it. That's all really. Nothing too interesting.

RRR3

11-01-2011, 07:00 PM

Don't even try to pretend like that wasn't the best regular season game performance since Wilt's 100 point game.
Yao Ming's foot disagrees :oldlol:

Yao Ming's Foot

11-01-2011, 07:15 PM

Because 81 is one of the few things Kobe fans have on Jordan. It's in literally every argument against Jordan as an advantage. Just interesting you'd agree that the 69 was above it. That's all really. Nothing too interesting.

81 was the more impressive scoring performance not overall all around game which is what GameScore measures. :confusedshrug:

Dave3

11-01-2011, 07:21 PM

81 was the more impressive scoring performance not overall all around game which is what GameScore measures. :confusedshrug:
Alright.

Bigsmoke

11-01-2011, 07:33 PM

he atleast had a great game in their only win

Game 2 - 33/4/7 on 14-27 shooting
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200406080LAL.html

and atleast was clutch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM4zS6IX1Ug&feature=player_detailpage#t=172s

lets compare their FG%s :lol

LeBron was the best player on the Heat in game 1 and 2 while Kobe only helped the Lakers in one and then helped them lose in the other 4 games.

Deuce Bigalow

11-01-2011, 11:24 PM

lets compare their FG%s :lol

LeBron was the best player on the Heat in game 1 and 2 while Kobe only helped the Lakers in one and then helped them lose in the other 4 games.

lebron was not the best player in game 2
game 1 was arguable but I give it to Wade since he closed it out

Kobe atleast made plays in the clutch
gametying jumper with 2 seconds left to send it to OT + 4 points in OT

While Lebron scored 0 points on 0-7 shooting in the clutch (under 5 min, within 5 pts)

and Kobe wasnt outscored by a bench player or was the 5th leading scorer like lebron

Yao Ming's Foot

12-12-2014, 04:42 AM

Bump because people forget what the word "elite" really means :oldlol:

SamuraiSWISH

12-12-2014, 05:44 AM

Because 81 is one of the few things Kobe fans have on Jordan. It's in literally every argument against Jordan as an advantage. Just interesting you'd agree that the 69 was above it. That's all really. Nothing too interesting.
David Robinson scored 71, so he is >>> Jordan.

Don't even try to pretend like that wasn't the best regular season game performance since Wilt's 100 point game.
Regular Season scoring wise? Sure, the argument can be made. It took tremendous ability, stamina, skill, and relentless aggression. As well as alienating selfishness. And it came against an absolute shit opponent, and crap defense.

VC is the GOAT playoff performance.

:bowdown:

Yao Ming's Foot

02-28-2015, 11:02 AM

Not sure if I missed a Lebron game...

Can one of his apologists chime in please?

Deuce Bigalow

02-28-2015, 04:50 PM

Not sure if I missed a Lebron game...

Can one of his apologists chime in please?
G6 2012 ECF

RoundMoundOfReb

02-28-2015, 04:51 PM

G6 2012 ECF should be #1 be a large margin