Do you all honestly prefer the NBA over NCAAB?

[bballer]

How can you watch 82 games of effortless basketball being played by diva superstars?

Playing for school pride/because you actually care>playing for $$$

[bagelred]

How can you watch 82 games of effortless basketball being played by diva superstars?

Playing for school pride/because you actually care>playing for $$$

Because we don't like watching the minor leagues.

[Kevin_Gamble]

How can you watch 82 games of effortless basketball being played by diva superstars?

Playing for school pride/because you actually care>playing for $$$

Only reason college players look like they are trying harder is because they are just not very good.

[bballer]

Because we don't like watching the minor leagues.
NBA Playoffs>NCAAB

but the NBA regular season is PATHETIC

[bballer]

Only reason college players look like they are trying harder is because they are just not very good.
They actually play defense in college. I laugh my ass off at the lack of defense in the NBA.

[Rake2204]

I prefer the NBA over the NCAA. To be clear, I still very much enjoy the NCAA, but I've always just been drawn moreso to the professional ranks. I can't exactly put my finger on why that is, but maybe it has to do with knowing I'm watching (more times than not) the best of the best.

Then again, maybe growing up with the NBA and its superstars has provided me with the history and continuity that keeps me coming back. Plus, in most cases, even in the NBA, I've never had the feeling they were all playing without any sort of effort and strictly chasing money. I understand it happens, but when I'm watching NBA basketball, that's not what comes to mind. What comes to mind are awesome plays and an overall enjoyable viewing experience. I often get that feeling while watching NCAA basketball too.

[Vienceslav]

If the superstars would stay longer than 1 year it would help the image of the NCAA BB.
Of course i will watch it this year , but i can

[Euroleague]

NCAA Tournament is better than the NBA playoffs for me.

[Hammertime]

NBA Playoffs>NCAAB

but the NBA regular season is PATHETIC

Geez, I must be crazy for not watching inferior athletes because they try harder.

I guess I should watch porn with fat, ugly chick too, provided they're really into it.

[Euroleague]

Because we don't like watching the minor leagues.


The D-League is the minor leagues genius.

NCAA is amateur level.

[Euroleague]

Only reason college players look like they are trying harder is because they are just not very good.


The NBA regular season is zero defense.

[Gundress]

I love both of them but March Madness>>>>>NBA Playoff.

[Euroleague]

Geez, I must be crazy for not watching inferior athletes because they try harder.

I guess I should watch porn with fat, ugly chick too, provided they're really into it.

The NBA playoffs from like 2nd round on are fine..........except the series that the refs decide to rig.

However, the NBA regular season is an absolute joke. It's basically unwatchable.

[Euroleague]

I love both of them but March Madness>>>>>NBA Playoff.

Exactly.

People saying otherwise..........typical NBA only fans. Not even true sports fans at all.

[alwaysunny]

NBA Playoffs>NCAAB

but the NBA regular season is PATHETIC

True, 82 games seem too much sometimes, but more games means more proven game of skill. Less games means unpredictability which can be exciting, but ultimately has more luck involved.

I'm surprised you prefer college seasons to NBA season yet prefer NBA playoffs to March Madness.

[The Macho Man]

Who doesn't love unskilled players swinging the ball around the perimeter for 35 seconds to try and beat the zone.

[Dbrog]

Exactly.

People saying otherwise..........typical NBA only fans. Not even true sports fans at all.

You mean the March Madness where luck often determines the champion rather than the best team? Don't get me wrong, one and done is very exciting, but it's also extremely flawed. IMO it demeans the worth of a ring.

[Euroleague]

You mean the March Madness where luck often determines the champion rather than the best team? Don't get me wrong, one and done is very exciting, but it's also extremely flawed. IMO it demeans the worth of a ring.

Yeah.....because rigged playoff series don't.............

[Rnbizzle]

Geez, I must be crazy for not watching inferior athletes because they try harder.

I guess I should watch porn with fat, ugly chick too, provided they're really into it.
:bowdown: :bowdown: the truth right here.

[KGMN]

NBA is awesome and I watch every single Timberwolves game possible (generally, it will be in the 75-80 range per year). College basketball is good and everything, but I don't know anyone and it's not as interesting to me.

[fatboy11]

I do prefer college ball to the NBA. And I fully recognize that the players are not anywhere near as talent as NBA players. I just don't like what the NBA has become (hell, I'm starting to feel that way about college basketball as well). I still enjoy both, though.

I do think that 82 games is way too long. There's just no way you can keep guys from loafing during that long of a season. I also think the NBA playoffs are too long. We don't need 8 teams in the playoffs. Personally, I'd prefer a 50 game season and 4 teams from each conference. In a perfect world, we'd see that set-up and then some kind of playoffs against the Euroleague. That would be awesome (all kidding aside about the whole Euroleague vs. NBA thing). It would be great to see the best Euroleague teams against the best NBA and have it really matter.

[JellyBean]

How can you watch 82 games of effortless basketball being played by diva superstars?

Playing for school pride/because you actually care>playing for $$$


Because I can. I like the NBA. And it's not effortless! Those guys play hard every game.

[fatboy11]

Because I can. I like the NBA. And it's not effortless! Those guys play hard every game.

Come on now.

Come on.

[Dbrog]

Yeah.....because rigged playoff series don't.............

ahaha touche. Most series aren't rigged though

[Burgz]

little mistakes in your fundamentals in the NBA cost you buckets, which is really the only reason I dont like the NBA which is many players lack fundamentals

that being said, talent level in the NBA is much higher and despite what you might see, the game is a lot faster

[Droid101]

I don't care about NCAA at all. I couldn't name you a single player right now. Also, if you support NCAA, you support slavery.

NBA is life.

[fatboy11]

I don't care about NCAA at all. I couldn't name you a single player right now. Also, if you support NCAA, you support slavery.

NBA is life.

So, you have no clue what is a good pick and what isn't at the NBA draft?

[Droid101]

So, you have no clue what is a good pick and what isn't at the NBA draft?
Not really. I generally wait until the season is over, then read up on articles by good writers about the good prospects.

But to be fair, I'm a Laker fan so generally college kids don't interest me. :D I like my free agents already battle-tested.

[Rooster]

Loved the March Madness and i always messed up my brackets because of my bias with teams from PAC 10 now 12. UCLA players tend to do better in NBA because college game tend to limit their game. Ben Howland does a lot of micro coaching and at the end, players will become better pros because of discipline and defense approach with his methodical style of coaching.

[OmniStrife]

They actually play defense in college. I laugh my ass off at the lack of defense in the NBA.


:roll: :roll: :roll:

Let's see how Jimmer scores 28 PPG in the no defense NBA.

GTFO

[Bigsmoke]

NBA is less boring.

rather watch the best of the best or some kids my age and younger?

[ballup]

Well, I have no affiliation with any college teams. My school's team isn't even D1, so why watch?

[Positive]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Let's see how Jimmer scores 28 PPG in the no defense NBA.

GTFO
Adam Morrison and JJ Reddick averaged around 30 points in college. That production carried over well :oldlol:. Also, NBA players going at 70% >>>>> College players going at 110%

[fatboy11]

Not really. I generally wait until the season is over, then read up on articles by good writers about the good prospects.

But to be fair, I'm a Laker fan so generally college kids don't interest me. :D I like my free agents already battle-tested.

Understandable. A productive draft pick by the Lakers is generally just a bonus. Hell, you guys usually don't even have a first round pick.

[bdreason]

It's amateur sports.... and I don't really care how much "passion" they play with. Don't get me wrong, I watch College ball, and love March Madness... but NCAA better than NBA? :no:

[Positive]

Exactly.

People saying otherwise..........typical NBA only fans. Not even true sports fans at all.
Will you shut the f*ck up already? I thought you were "done" posting here.

There are so few "NBA only fans." In fact, most people at least fill out brackets and watch the NCAA tournament. If they don't do that, most people at least follow one other sport, because there's always that downtime between seasons.

[FF1]

Some people in this thread are delusional. Defense in college basketball is superior to the NBA? As someone pointed out, how the hell did Adam Morrison drop 30 a game?

Just because it looks easier for them doesn't mean they aren't much, much, much better defenders.

The worst NBA team would beat the best college team. Most people here wouldn't watch the two worst NBA teams go at it, so why would I watch even worse talent?

and LOL at people saying that college kids play for the love of the game. The very worst do maybe because they don't have a shot at the NBA (but who cares about the very worst college bball players.. effort doesn't make up for the fact that their play is an eyesore for viewers) but any college player who is good at all is out there because he wants to get paid in the NBA. They are worse than contract year hoes in the NBA.

[DFish]

NCAAB and the NBA are both exciting to me for different reasons.

Pros of NCAAB: Competitiveness, school rivalry, betting on games and playoff brackets.
Cons of NCAAB: Shot clock is too long, not as much physicality as the NBA, and not as many great plays (alley oops, fast-break dunks/assists, etc.)

Pros of NBA: Team history, exciting playoffs/finals, physicality.
Cons of NBA: Players not always loyal to teams, motivated by money, the flopping that can occur, and sometimes referee influence.

So I prefer both, and will continue watching both.

[pmj]

I honestly hate the NCAAB defensive and 5 second rules. When I watch college it seems like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off running around.

I actually enjoy seeing the most skilled and athletic players in the world iso someone up and destroy them, whether it's stuff like Shaq/Barkley in the post, MJ/Kobe footwork/fadeaways, Wade/Rose/Lebron driving on a whole defense, etc.

NCAA is more if you enjoy fundamentals and team basketball, and there's nothing wrong with that, it's just a preference.

[NBAller]

College players play their hardest to get into the NBA.

NBA players play just enough to get into the best basketball played in the world.

That's why I watch the Nba

[Ken_Masters]

I have no interest in NCAA or March Madness. Don't care about brackets or anything of that sort. I'm only interested in the NBA, and when the NBA is finished for the season i watch the NFL. College Ball is extremely boring to me. Whenever NBA season comes up, i purchase league pass and watch as many games from as many teams to get my NBA fix.

[bdreason]

I honestly hate the NCAAB defensive and 5 second rules. When I watch college it seems like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off running around.

I actually enjoy seeing the most skilled and athletic players in the world iso someone up and destroy them, whether it's stuff like Shaq/Barkley in the post, MJ/Kobe footwork/fadeaways, Wade/Rose/Lebron driving on a whole defense, etc.

NCAA is more if you enjoy fundamentals and team basketball, and there's nothing wrong with that, it's just a preference.


The biggest problem with College ball is the 35 second clock. It causes inferior teams to play the possession game, and just sit on the ball for 30 seconds every possession. :sleeping


I could live with a 30 sec shot clock... but 35 seconds? really?

[mlh1981]

The only thing I like about NCAA more than the NBA is the gameday atmosphere.

Other than that, NBA all day.

I'll watch march madness and the end of close NCAA games, but that's about it. Can't get into a full game unless it's my alma mater, and I'm there at the arena.

[Collie]

I don't care about the NCAA because I don't feel any affinity to the teams there. Simple as that, though I'd guess it would be different if you were actually rooting for a school there.

[Mach_3]

NCAAB and the NBA are both exciting to me for different reasons.

Pros of NCAAB: Competitiveness, school rivalry, betting on games and playoff brackets.
Cons of NCAAB: Shot clock is too long, not as much physicality as the NBA, and not as many great plays (alley oops, fast-break dunks/assists, etc.)

Pros of NBA: Team history, exciting playoffs/finals, physicality.
Cons of NBA: Players not always loyal to teams, motivated by money, the flopping that can occur, and sometimes referee influence.

So I prefer both, and will continue watching both.

:wtf:

[hoopslife]

I like the NBA better. I hate that most NCAA teams take up most of the 35 second shot clock and then just jack a 3. The game itself is pretty boring IMO. While I agree the atmosphere is much better, I would much rather see NBA players like Lebron, TMac, Kobe, Garnett, and Dwight doing things you would never see in an NCAA game... And the NBA game being played at a much faster pace.




http://www.sportsdivide.com

[SALFORD-RED]

How can you watch 82 games of effortless basketball being played by diva superstars?

Playing for school pride/because you actually care>playing for $$$

Agree with first sentence, it shouldnt take 82 games to determine playoff seeding.

NBA playoffs however are some of the finest sport played on this planet in terms of skill/intensity/excitement.

If only the NBA had a shorter regular season..............

[DuMa]

lots of good points here. NCAA basketball really needs major revisions to speed up the game. the 35 second shot clock has been outdated for nearly 10-15 years already. there is absolutely no reason to still have this rule. it kills the flow of the games and kills most chances for a rally in the waning moments of the game. if some states that commission high school basketball can have 30 second shot clocks. the ncaa can surely have less.

[bballer]

Adam Morrison and JJ Reddick averaged around 30 points in college. That production carried over well :oldlol:. Also, NBA players going at 70% >>>>> College players going at 110%
I agree, but NBA players don't go 100% until the playoffs.

[bballer]

Agree with first sentence, it shouldnt take 82 games to determine playoff seeding.

NBA playoffs however are some of the finest sport played on this planet in terms of skill/intensity/excitement.

If only the NBA had a shorter regular season..............
This.

The regular season is meaningless. So boring to watch. Especially the crappy teams.

LOL @ Detroit vs. Minnesotta. Most boring game EVER.



March Maddness>NBA Playoffs>NCAAB>NBA Regular Season

[Dave3]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Let's see how Jimmer scores 28 PPG in the no defense NBA.

GTFO
Love how no one addresses this.

"NBA regular season is no defense, bla bla bla"

Which is why the scoring of all of those college players go way down right? The NBA just has way better offensive talent, which means the players are harder to stop, not that there's worse defense.

What people are describing as the "no defense" actually happens though, it's called all star games, when teams score 140, not 98:facepalm .

But yeah, it won't be addressed in this thread because there's no answer.

[Gundress]

Both of them have pros and cons

The problem with the NBA is they're getting too SOFT and cry too much to refs, too much flopper around like f*cking soccer.

NCCA atmosphere>>>>>NBA atmosphere and even March Madness atmosphere>>>NBA Playoff atmosphere.

NCCA and NBA have different rules so like I said both of them have pros and cons.

But when come to March Madness and NBA Playoff so I love March Mandess more.


NBA Playoff: You knew it Hawks have no chance to beat Heats, or 76ers, etc. It likes you alreaday knew it who's going to win the champion or go to the finals before playoff

NCAA - BIGGEST UPSET and MORE SHOCK :eek: and ALWAYS CLOSE GAME AND SHIT IS GET YOU EXCITED MFER AND IT"S F@CKING ONE GAME. GO HOME OR LOSE JUST ONE GAME.

[AI3Anthony]

Only reason college players look like they are trying harder is because they are just not very good.

That is not true at all.

[bballer]

Love how no one addresses this.

"NBA regular season is no defense, bla bla bla"

Which is why the scoring of all of those college players go way down right? The NBA just has way better offensive talent, which means the players are harder to stop, not that there's worse defense.

What people are describing as the "no defense" actually happens though, it's called all star games, when teams score 140, not 98:facepalm .

But yeah, it won't be addressed in this thread because there's no answer.
You can't compare the two things dumbshit.

Obviously they are better at defense in the NBA than they are in college, but they play 100% in college. In the NBA, They halfass everything. LMAO @ help defense in the NBA.

[EricForman]

How can you watch 82 games of effortless basketball being played by diva superstars?

Playing for school pride/because you actually care>playing for $$$


um, most of those same "greedy guys" in the L did once play for school pride, it's how they got good enough to play for money.

[EricForman]

NBA Playoffs>NCAAB

but the NBA regular season is PATHETIC


i think most people here, who witnessed one of the best seasons ever last year, disagree with you.

if you really dislike the NBA, why post here?

[bballer]

i think most people here, who witnessed one of the best seasons ever last year, disagree with you.

if you really dislike the NBA, why post here?
I enjoy the regular season.

I also enjoy following the Tarheels in the pros.

Only teams I will be watching this year are Den, Por, and IND

[Kurosawa0]

NCAA should do a 180 and introduce a 10 second shot clock once the ball crosses half court.

[Applause]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Let's see how Jimmer scores 28 PPG in the no defense NBA.

GTFO


:applause:




Adam Morrison and JJ Reddick averaged around 30 points in college. That production carried over well :oldlol:. Also, NBA players going at 70% >>>>> College players going at 110%


:applause:

[FF1]

Obviously they are better at defense in the NBA than they are in college, but they play 100% in college. In the NBA, They halfass everything. LMAO @ help defense in the NBA.

But in the NBA, 50% effort is still way more impressive and better basketball than the 100% these college kids give.

I don't want to watch someone with less talent just because he tries hard. I want to watch someone who is so amazing that it comes effortlessly.

[icewill36]

i dont watch college BB much because i dont like watching an inferior product. college players suck so bad compared to pros.

march madness is fun, but ill take NBA over it any day

[jlauber]

No defense in the NBA?

I personally watched Jerry Lucas in a pre-game shoot-around in game in the early 70's, make some 20+ straight shots from between the circles. I have heard that Chris Mullen made an enormous string of 3pt shots in practice. And players like Bird and others were probably capable of 75% from 3pt distance...unguarded. And, yet, the best of them shot around 50% from the field.

As for the NBA's "meaningless" 82 game regular season...how about the college game, in which covers 30+ regular season games...and then invites 65 (or whatever it is now) teams to the NCAA tournament? We have seen teams that were SIXTH in their conference, WIN the NCAA title. Why even bother with a regular season conference schedule? Why not play 30 exhibition games, and then invite EVERY team to the NCAA's?

And then, to have a "one-and-done" tournament format...where if a great team plays ONE poor game, they are eliminated? I will take the NBA's best-of-seven series anytime. I want the BEST team to win the title. Not some LUCKY team.

The NBA is BY FAR a better game.

[alwaysunny]

No defense in the NBA?

I personally watched Jerry Lucas in a pre-game shoot-around in game in the early 70's, make some 20+ straight shots from between the circles. I have heard that Chris Mullen made an enormous string of 3pt shots in practice. And players like Bird and others were probably capable of 75% from 3pt distance...unguarded. And, yet, the best of them shot around 50% from the field.

As for the NBA's "meaningless" 82 game regular season...how about the college game, in which covers 30+ regular season games...and then invites 65 (or whatever it is now) teams to the NCAA tournament? We have seen teams that were SIXTH in their conference, WIN the NCAA title. Why even bother with a regular season conference schedule? Why not play 30 exhibition games, and then invite EVERY team to the NCAA's?

And then, to have a "one-and-done" tournament format...where if a great team plays ONE poor game, they are eliminated? I will take the NBA's best-of-seven series anytime. I want the BEST team to win the title. Not some LUCKY team.

The NBA is BY FAR a better game.

Pretty much what I said but more detailed.

Were you a big fan of college ball back in your day?

[InspiredLebowski]

It's almost like comparing Euroleague ball to the NBA. They're vastly different ways to play the game and make a 1:1 comparison takes away from both versions, it's just not fair.

It's just kinda weird to me that so many people see the NBA as the "real" way to play ball.

[jlauber]

Pretty much what I said but more detailed.

Were you a big fan of college ball back in your day?

I was a HUGE college fan "back in the day." I grew up with the "Bruin Dynasty." Back then, some of the best players in the WORLD were playing college ball. Kareem (Alcindor) was arguably among the top-3 or 4 centers in the entire world, while he was a SOPH at UCLA. Players like the Big E, Unseld, Lanier, Pistol Pete, Gilmore, Walton, and David Thompson were already pro-ready by their junior years.

And back then, teams had to win their conference to go to the NCAA's. for example, the 70-71 USC Trojans went 24-2, but didn't make the NCAA tournament. Why? Because they lost two close games to UCLA that year.

And the Bruin Dynasty was truly remarkable. From the 63-64 season thru their 74-75 season, they went 38-1 in the NCAA tournament (and that one loss was a double OT loss to NC St. in '74.) And there was no three-point line, or shot-clock to assist in comebacks, either.

Furthemore, there were MONUMENTAL games back then, too. The "Astrodome Game" in the 67-68 season may have been the greatest college game ever. UCLA was ranked #1, and was riding a 47 game winning streak, while Houston was #2 and unbeaten. The Cougars stunned UCLA in that game, 71-69. They had a rematch in the NCAA Semi's, though, and UCLA just crushed #1 Houston, 101-69, in a game that was not even that close (UCLA led by 44 points at one in the second half.)

Early in the '73-74 season, UCLA was again riding a long winning streak, and they faced an NC St. team that had gone 27-0 the year before (but were declared ineligible for the NCAA tournament.) The Bruins pounded the Wolf Pack in that game, 84-66.

Later in that season, UCLA's streak had reached 88 straight games. They faced the unbeaten and #2 Irish, and were beating ND, 70-59, with three minutes left. Remarkably, they were outscored 11-0 down the stretch, and their incredible winning streak was snapped. The two teams met a couple of weeks later, and the Bruins ripped the Irish in the rematch by 19 points (they led by 28 at one point.)

Then, in the 73-74 Semis, the Bruins met the Wolf Pack again, and lost in double OT. However, in the first OT, UCLA had a seven point lead.

That was truly the "Golden Age" of College basketball.

[alwaysunny]

Sometimes I really do wish I was born earlier in time. Our generation will probably never get to witness teams like the ones from Wooden era. I also recall an interview from Wayman Tisdale saying he believed NBA players in his era were better than today because they had more college experiences which supposedly helped them translate their game in the long run.

[SALFORD-RED]

No defense in the NBA?

I personally watched Jerry Lucas in a pre-game shoot-around in game in the early 70's, make some 20+ straight shots from between the circles. I have heard that Chris Mullen made an enormous string of 3pt shots in practice. And players like Bird and others were probably capable of 75% from 3pt distance...unguarded. And, yet, the best of them shot around 50% from the field.

As for the NBA's "meaningless" 82 game regular season...how about the college game, in which covers 30+ regular season games...and then invites 65 (or whatever it is now) teams to the NCAA tournament? We have seen teams that were SIXTH in their conference, WIN the NCAA title. Why even bother with a regu[/LIST]lar season conference schedule? Why not play 30 exhibition games, and then invite EVERY team to the NCAA's?

And then, to have a "one-and-done" tournament format...where if a great team plays ONE poor game, they are eliminated? I will take the NBA's best-of-seven series anytime. I want the BEST team to win the title. Not some LUCKY team.

The NBA is BY FAR a better game.

16 out of 30 teams make the NBA playoffs, more than half, 65 ncaa teams make the tourny a far lower percentage of the overall # of d1 programs.

One and done is also far better as every game is a game 7 whereas you might get a 7 game series in the nba if your lucky. The NFL playoffs and march madness are so great to watch for that reason, the 07 Giants and 10/11 Butler teams dont happen in the nba.

In terms of skills the nba destroys ncaa, format wise ncaa rape the nba.

[OmniStrife]

I was a HUGE college fan "back in the day." I grew up with the "Bruin Dynasty." Back then, some of the best players in the WORLD were playing college ball. Kareem (Alcindor) was arguably among the top-3 or 4 centers in the entire world, while he was a SOPH at UCLA. Players like the Big E, Unseld, Lanier, Pistol Pete, Gilmore, Walton, and David Thompson were already pro-ready by their junior years.

And back then, teams had to win their conference to go to the NCAA's. for example, the 70-71 USC Trojans went 24-2, but didn't make the NCAA tournament. Why? Because they lost two close games to UCLA that year.

And the Bruin Dynasty was truly remarkable. From the 63-64 season thru their 74-75 season, they went 38-1 in the NCAA tournament (and that one loss was a double OT loss to NC St. in '74.) And there was no three-point line, or shot-clock to assist in comebacks, either.

Furthemore, there were MONUMENTAL games back then, too. The "Astrodome Game" in the 67-68 season may have been the greatest college game ever. UCLA was ranked #1, and was riding a 47 game winning streak, while Houston was #2 and unbeaten. The Cougars stunned UCLA in that game, 71-69. They had a rematch in the NCAA Semi's, though, and UCLA just crushed #1 Houston, 101-69, in a game that was not even that close (UCLA led by 44 points at one in the second half.)

Early in the '73-74 season, UCLA was again riding a long winning streak, and they faced an NC St. team that had gone 27-0 the year before (but were declared ineligible for the NCAA tournament.) The Bruins pounded the Wolf Pack in that game, 84-66.

Later in that season, UCLA's streak had reached 88 straight games. They faced the unbeaten and #2 Irish, and were beating ND, 70-59, with three minutes left. Remarkably, they were outscored 11-0 down the stretch, and their incredible winning streak was snapped. The two teams met a couple of weeks later, and the Bruins ripped the Irish in the rematch by 19 points (they led by 28 at one point.)

Then, in the 73-74 Semis, the Bruins met the Wolf Pack again, and lost in double OT. However, in the first OT, UCLA had a seven point lead.

That was truly the "Golden Age" of College basketball.

This, the OP is either trolling or in complete bias mode.

[jlauber]

16 out of 30 teams make the NBA playoffs, more than half, 65 ncaa teams make the tourny a far lower percentage of the overall # of d1 programs.

One and done is also far better as every game is a game 7 whereas you might get a 7 game series in the nba if your lucky. The NFL playoffs and march madness are so great to watch for that reason, the 07 Giants and 10/11 Butler teams dont happen in the nba.

In terms of skills the nba destroys ncaa, format wise ncaa rape the nba.

I've got an even better idea...why not put all of the division-1 teams in hat, and draw the winner? That would save a great deal of time. I just can't accept a team that finishes SIXTH in their conference, winning the NCAA tournament. And do you really think that Villanova would have beaten Georgetown in a best-of-seven in '85?

I remember the Lakers getting blown out in game one of the '85 Finals, 148-114. They then pounded Boston in four of the next five games, including a 137-111 pasting in game three. The BEST team won that series. I much prefer that over a "one-and-done" anytime.

[triangleoffense]

Yes and I'll list my reasons why:

-game is more international (much more diversity, draws from the largest possible talent pool), which makes for

- premiere-level talent and skill set which also enables me to track and follow my favorite players for their decade plus level careers, you can use the "players are greedy" argument all you want but all college pro prospects are all thinking the same thing and won't think twice before abandoning their championship contending team.

- The season is longer, there are more games (sample sizes) to draw from, which should be good for any fan. I don't understand the logic in wanting to see less games for your favorite sport. The playoffs run deep which makes whichever team's victory that much sweeter.

[The Macho Man]

One and done has it's appeal but I definitely prefer a great series to one and done.

[SALFORD-RED]

I've got an even better idea...why not put all of the division-1 teams in hat, and draw the winner? That would save a great deal of time. I just can't accept a team that finishes SIXTH in their conference, winning the NCAA tournament. And do you really think that Villanova would have beaten Georgetown in a best-of-seven in '85?

I remember the Lakers getting blown out in game one of the '85 Finals, 148-114. They then pounded Boston in four of the next five games, including a 137-111 pasting in game three. The BEST team won that series. I much prefer that over a "one-and-done" anytime.

You mustve been mad when 6 seed Rockets won the NBA?

Nova would not beat the Hoyas over 7 games but thats the beauty of a one n done playoff format, if everything went according to the formbook why bother watching? If tyson fights buster douglas 7 times mike wins 6 times but in tokyo 1990 douglas got his one win.

You cant take games or plays off in the nfl playoffs or march madness and thats why I love them.

[triangleoffense]

I was a HUGE college fan "back in the day." I grew up with the "Bruin Dynasty." Back then, some of the best players in the WORLD were playing college ball. Kareem (Alcindor) was arguably among the top-3 or 4 centers in the entire world, while he was a SOPH at UCLA. Players like the Big E, Unseld, Lanier, Pistol Pete, Gilmore, Walton, and David Thompson were already pro-ready by their junior years.

And back then, teams had to win their conference to go to the NCAA's. for example, the 70-71 USC Trojans went 24-2, but didn't make the NCAA tournament. Why? Because they lost two close games to UCLA that year.

And the Bruin Dynasty was truly remarkable. From the 63-64 season thru their 74-75 season, they went 38-1 in the NCAA tournament (and that one loss was a double OT loss to NC St. in '74.) And there was no three-point line, or shot-clock to assist in comebacks, either.

Furthemore, there were MONUMENTAL games back then, too. The "Astrodome Game" in the 67-68 season may have been the greatest college game ever. UCLA was ranked #1, and was riding a 47 game winning streak, while Houston was #2 and unbeaten. The Cougars stunned UCLA in that game, 71-69. They had a rematch in the NCAA Semi's, though, and UCLA just crushed #1 Houston, 101-69, in a game that was not even that close (UCLA led by 44 points at one in the second half.)

Early in the '73-74 season, UCLA was again riding a long winning streak, and they faced an NC St. team that had gone 27-0 the year before (but were declared ineligible for the NCAA tournament.) The Bruins pounded the Wolf Pack in that game, 84-66.

Later in that season, UCLA's streak had reached 88 straight games. They faced the unbeaten and #2 Irish, and were beating ND, 70-59, with three minutes left. Remarkably, they were outscored 11-0 down the stretch, and their incredible winning streak was snapped. The two teams met a couple of weeks later, and the Bruins ripped the Irish in the rematch by 19 points (they led by 28 at one point.)

Then, in the 73-74 Semis, the Bruins met the Wolf Pack again, and lost in double OT. However, in the first OT, UCLA had a seven point lead.

That was truly the "Golden Age" of College basketball.

Hell even in the 80s you had great college basketball. Jordan hitting the shot vs Georgetown. Magic/Michigan State vs Bird/Indiana State which even at the time was the highest rated sporting event to date. Even up to the mid 90s I remember basketball being good. Grant Hill and Christian Laettner's ridiculous play over Kentucky was one of the most miraculous thing I've seen live short of Fisher's .04 shot against the Spurs. It's not until all this freshman phenom BS stuff recently has college basketball went down the drain.

[talk at ya]

I love a lot of things about the college game. I am in college and can actually go to the games and get great seats, where as its not really feasible for me to go to NBA games. And the school spirit aspect is awesome. But as far as the actual game, I would rather be watching the best of the best. And like others have said, I like that in the NBA the best team actually wins. You can't win an NBA title with a fluke, whereas in college ball, you just have to be halfway decent, get into the tourny, and have six great games. Plus it's nice to watch a player develop over his career, where in college, the best players are gone after a year

[senelcoolidge]

The NBA playoffs are too long. Shorten it. Make the first round a 3 or 5 game series. The finals and conference finals can be best of 7..the rest should be at most best of 5. What makes March Madness so much fun is that it's due or die. 1 game..you win or lose. The regular seasons are ok. I still enjoy the NBA game more..of course it's the best of the best. The college game gets really dull at times.

[ihatetimthomas]

I love march madness, But I do prefer the NBA because I know basically every player and its a lot easier when you know how every team is and most of the players playing in the games. IN NCAA< I only know the bigger named players so I have a more difficult time watching during the reg season. You also get to watch the best players int he world and the top talent in the world. BUt come March, I will watch those games over anything

[SALFORD-RED]

Ps jlauber im not knocking your rationale of wanting to see the better/more consistent team win - it makes perfect sense to me, its just a personal preference thing in me prefering 1 n done. However I will say this

Classic 6/7 game series >>> 1 and done >>> 5 game or swept series.

A great series ie Bulls/celts 09, mavs/warriors 07 or kings/lakers 02 are great cos you see multiple games of amazing basketball in the same series.

[FF1]

I can't believe people are complaining about the NBA's playoff system. One and done may be exciting, but the story-lines for most 7 game series are EPIC and it makes winning that much sweeter. Imagine If the NBA finals this year was 1 game. How much lamer would that be compared to the drama that ended up playing out?

[Sweens]

Enjoy March Madness, but one of the dissappointments I have about NCAA is that more then half of the people on the team have no chance of making the NBA, and hence you don't really have an inclination to follow their stats unless you go to their school, or have some affiliation with them because they will only be there for 3 years, and then go play in another league or not play again.

In comparison most players in the NBA are there for several years so you do have an inclination to follow them, and their stats and how they improve etc.

[Euroleague]

I do prefer college ball to the NBA. And I fully recognize that the players are not anywhere near as talent as NBA players. I just don't like what the NBA has become (hell, I'm starting to feel that way about college basketball as well). I still enjoy both, though.

I do think that 82 games is way too long. There's just no way you can keep guys from loafing during that long of a season. I also think the NBA playoffs are too long. We don't need 8 teams in the playoffs. Personally, I'd prefer a 50 game season and 4 teams from each conference. In a perfect world, we'd see that set-up and then some kind of playoffs against the Euroleague. That would be awesome (all kidding aside about the whole Euroleague vs. NBA thing). It would be great to see the best Euroleague teams against the best NBA and have it really matter.

Total agreement.

[Euroleague]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Let's see how Jimmer scores 28 PPG in the no defense NBA.

GTFO

The NBA is literally no defense during the regular season.

PPG for players is controlled by the coaches design, by the rules, and by the refs.

[Euroleague]

NCAAB and the NBA are both exciting to me for different reasons.

Pros of NCAAB: Competitiveness, school rivalry, betting on games and playoff brackets.
Cons of NCAAB: Shot clock is too long, not as much physicality as the NBA, and not as many great plays (alley oops, fast-break dunks/assists, etc.)

Pros of NBA: Team history, exciting playoffs/finals, physicality.
Cons of NBA: Players not always loyal to teams, motivated by money, the flopping that can occur, and sometimes referee influence.

So I prefer both, and will continue watching both.

There is barely any physicality at all in the NBA.

[Euroleague]

I honestly hate the NCAAB defensive and 5 second rules. When I watch college it seems like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off running around.

I actually enjoy seeing the most skilled and athletic players in the world iso someone up and destroy them, whether it's stuff like Shaq/Barkley in the post, MJ/Kobe footwork/fadeaways, Wade/Rose/Lebron driving on a whole defense, etc.

NCAA is more if you enjoy fundamentals and team basketball, and there's nothing wrong with that, it's just a preference.

NBA defense and ISO rules exist for the sole reason of making players seem better than they really are and inflating their stats. Manufactured superstars, along with the favoritism from the refs.

It's to make players appear better than they really are. Not to highlight the greatness of super players.

Any moron should be able to figure that out.

[Euroleague]

Adam Morrison and JJ Reddick averaged around 30 points in college. That production carried over well :oldlol:. Also, NBA players going at 70% >>>>> College players going at 110%

How the hell did Brandon Jennings score 55 points in an NBA game, average 16 a game in NBA when he could only get 6 points a game in the Italian League, which is a mediocre league by European standards.

???

[7_cody]

How the hell did Brandon Jennings score 55 points in an NBA game, average 16 a game in NBA when he could only get 6 points a game in the Italian League, which is a mediocre league by European standards.

???

So, is the talent level in Europe superior in to the NBA in your opinion?

[28renyoy]

i'm a fan of skill and not athleticism, therefore i prefer the ncaa over the nba(more white players=higher iq/skill basketball)

[Euroleague]

lots of good points here. NCAA basketball really needs major revisions to speed up the game. the 35 second shot clock has been outdated for nearly 10-15 years already. there is absolutely no reason to still have this rule. it kills the flow of the games and kills most chances for a rally in the waning moments of the game. if some states that commission high school basketball can have 30 second shot clocks. the ncaa can surely have less.

You also have to consider why this is like this though. It's the same thing as why the FIBA 3 point line is a bit closer than the NBA 3 point line.

Because the NBA only has to worry about the NBA and nothing else. Only about NBA players and nothing else.

NCAA and FIBA have to worry about female players and high school kids. That's why there is no 24 seconds shot clock in NCAA, and that is why there is no NBA distance 3 point shot in FIBA.

People seem to not be able to grasp this for some strange reason. NBA rules only have to take into account NBA players - not women and youth players, like is the case with NCAA and FIBA.

If you want the NCAA to have a 24 second shot clock (which I agree would be better)...........then you have to start implementing that well BEFORE NCAA stage. At least at the high school level. Because I assure you that the average players cannot handle a 24 second shot clock when they get to college if they have never played with it before.

So the NCAA would probably have to have the lower levels to implement it first.

[Euroleague]

Love how no one addresses this.

"NBA regular season is no defense, bla bla bla"

Which is why the scoring of all of those college players go way down right? The NBA just has way better offensive talent, which means the players are harder to stop, not that there's worse defense.

What people are describing as the "no defense" actually happens though, it's called all star games, when teams score 140, not 98:facepalm .

But yeah, it won't be addressed in this thread because there's no answer.

Right, those NBA regular season games of 120-115 (typical score) are so "defense oriented"..........

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Euroleague]

But in the NBA, 50% effort is still way more impressive and better basketball than the 100% these college kids give.

I don't want to watch someone with less talent just because he tries hard. I want to watch someone who is so amazing that it comes effortlessly.

The NBA regular season is a joke. Anyone that disagrees is clearly someone who knows zero about basketball.

[Euroleague]

No defense in the NBA?

I personally watched Jerry Lucas in a pre-game shoot-around in game in the early 70's, make some 20+ straight shots from between the circles. I have heard that Chris Mullen made an enormous string of 3pt shots in practice. And players like Bird and others were probably capable of 75% from 3pt distance...unguarded. And, yet, the best of them shot around 50% from the field.

As for the NBA's "meaningless" 82 game regular season...how about the college game, in which covers 30+ regular season games...and then invites 65 (or whatever it is now) teams to the NCAA tournament? We have seen teams that were SIXTH in their conference, WIN the NCAA title. Why even bother with a regular season conference schedule? Why not play 30 exhibition games, and then invite EVERY team to the NCAA's?

And then, to have a "one-and-done" tournament format...where if a great team plays ONE poor game, they are eliminated? I will take the NBA's best-of-seven series anytime. I want the BEST team to win the title. Not some LUCKY team.

The NBA is BY FAR a better game.


Are you actually comparing the current NBA to the NBA of the 80s..........seriously? WTF?

:roll: :lol :oldlol:

[Euroleague]

16 out of 30 teams make the NBA playoffs, more than half, 65 ncaa teams make the tourny a far lower percentage of the overall # of d1 programs.

One and done is also far better as every game is a game 7 whereas you might get a 7 game series in the nba if your lucky. The NFL playoffs and march madness are so great to watch for that reason, the 07 Giants and 10/11 Butler teams dont happen in the nba.

In terms of skills the nba destroys ncaa, format wise ncaa rape the nba.

Exactly. This whole 7 game series is better than one and done thing is totally bizarre. People saying that must be complete retards. The ONLY reason they have 7 game series is because they think it brings in more money. Even though one offs like the Super Bowl or Final Fours actually make more - but Stern is too stupid to ever grasp something like that.

7 game series do NOT exist to "make sure the best team wins". That's complete BULL SHIT. They exist so that the refs can rig a game or two and so the NBA can pick and choose and script the playoffs every year.

It's unreal how stupid and gullible some people here are.

[7_cody]

The NBA regular season is a joke. Anyone that disagrees is clearly someone who knows zero about basketball.

Heh, you make good points. At first I was glad that you post here, because it's good for us Americans to realize that there is great basketball in other places too. I don't doubt that there are amazing and talented players overseas.

However, you exaggerate. Most of what you say has a little truth to it, but that's it.

Examples include manufactured superstars, PPG designed by Coaches, etc. Coaches draw plays for the best players. Is that really a hard concept for you to understand?

The NBA regular season is not a joke. It's an 82 game grind, so you have to expect the players to pace themselves appropriately. You seem to prefer watching inferior basketball along with mediocre talent, but that's your choice.

Also, if you truly believe that Euroleague > NBA, you're a moron. I'm willing to accept that European leagues are getting better every year, and that the NBA may not always be incredibly superior in talent and skill, and I also appreciate that you bring another perspective, or friendly reminder on this.

Don't believe me? Watch the Olympics. USA destroys everyone, easily, and just with your own eyes, watching the games, you can see how much better our players are. And they do this without years of playing together and team chemistry, they do this on-the-fly. Think about it. We get to together and train for a few weeks, we spend a short amount of times setting up our offense. But then again, you believe the games are rigged.

Think it through. How the f** could the games be rigged? Think about who would have to be involved. How many individuals would have to keep a secret.

I think you want to be smart, and your intentions are alright, but ehh... no one takes you seriously at this point

[JohnnySic]

I like both.

NBA for the higher skill, knowledge of the product, and competition during the playoffs. The regular season is long but it gets you through the winter (but not this winter, apparently).

NCAA for March Madness and the fact that, unlike the NBA, its a form of historically correct basketball. The solid officiating minus the agendas is a breath of fresh air too.

[Euroleague]

I can't believe people are complaining about the NBA's playoff system. One and done may be exciting, but the story-lines for most 7 game series are EPIC and it makes winning that much sweeter. Imagine If the NBA finals this year was 1 game. How much lamer would that be compared to the drama that ended up playing out?

What part of the refs rigging playoff series do you not get?

[7_cody]

Exactly. This whole 7 game series is better than one and done thing is totally bizarre. People saying that must be complete retards. The ONLY reason they have 7 game series is because they think it brings in more money. Even though one offs like the Super Bowl or Final Fours actually make more - but Stern is too stupid to ever grasp something like that.

7 game series do NOT exist to "make sure the best team wins". That's complete BULL SHIT. They exist so that the refs can rig a game or two and so the NBA can pick and choose and script the playoffs every year.

It's unreal how stupid and gullible some people here are.

Jesus, you're dumb.

You really don't know why the Superbowl makes more money then a Playoff series?

I'll break it down for you (man, this is embarrassing). 1) Arena capacity, 2) Football is more popular than Basketball, 3) Advertising (more viewers)

That's a basic breakdown. Study, learn.

I remember when the Raiders made the Superbowl with Rich Gannon. They had one crappy game, Gannon played like CRAP! If it was a best of 3, or a best of 5, the Raiders could have possibly won. How does one game determine a champion? One-game-eliminations are flawed. A team that wins in a seven game series is probably the better team.

Explain to me how NBA games are rigged. Explain to me how that's even possible? Why even take that risk? If that was the case, then how come we have so many sweeps in the Playoffs? Why not rig some games so that sweeps are rare, more revenue is generated? Have you even thought t his through? You truly believe this garbage?

[7_cody]

I like both.

NBA for the higher skill, knowledge of the product, and competition during the playoffs. The regular season is long but it gets you through the winter (but not this winter, apparently).

NCAA for March Madness and the fact that, unlike the NBA, its a form of historically correct basketball. The solid officiating minus the agendas is a breath of fresh air too.

WTF?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

Has anyone here tried reffing? You're all f*** stupid as sh**.

Try it. I promise you won't make all the right calls. it's hard as hell. NBA refs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other basketball refs

[7_cody]

What part of the refs rigging playoff series do you not get?

What kind of competitor are you if you have to resort to conspiracy theories, which five years old could debunk for you, in order to justify losing?

You really believe this garbage? You really believe that Navarro > Kobe, or that Euroleague > NBA

I think you're correct in that we underestimate the amount of talent and skill overseas, but that's it

[Euroleague]

So, is the talent level in Europe superior in to the NBA in your opinion?

No. But saying that the NBA is a hard league to score in is absolutely freaking ridiculous. There is no defense at all during the NBA regular season, and even in the playoffs (despite the players trying more) there is still not that much, due to the rules and the refs.

In the NBA the coaches and the refs determine mainly how much players score.......and most of that is dictated by the general managers and Stern.

The NBA is basically a scripted sports soap opera.

The only difference between Brandon Jennings in NBA and Brandon Jennings in Europe is that in Europe he was just treated like every single other player by the coaches and played under normal game rules (not crazy NBA rules that basically outlaw defense) and with refs that were not specifically trying to help him.

That's it. Why in the hell so many NBA fans cannot comprehend this stuff is truly pathetic and sad. The NBA is just a complete consumer product for marketing and sponsorship money. It's not even an actual sporting competition.

[JohnnySic]

Try it. I promise you won't make all the right calls. it's hard as hell. NBA refs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other basketball refs
Basketball refs do a great job at every level except the NBA, where you have superstar calls, rookie calls, make-up calls, attitude adjustment calls (see Joe Crawford), home cooking, extend-the-series shenanigans, and on and on. Anyone who doesn't see that is living in denial or enjoys being stupid.

[7_cody]

Basketball refs do a great job at every level except the NBA, where you have superstar calls, rookie calls, make-up calls, attutude adjustment calls (see Joe Crawford), home cooking, extend-the-series shenanigans, and on and on. Anyone who doesn't see that is living in denial or enjoys being stupid.

So you're like Euroleague, you believe that NBA games are rigged. There are no Superstar treatments. That doesn't really exist. Some players attack the basket more often, a result would be more free-throws.

I get frustrated too, watching games, but the truth is the NBA refs do a great job and they have an extremely difficult job.

[Euroleague]

Examples include manufactured superstars, PPG designed by Coaches, etc. Coaches draw plays for the best players. Is that really a hard concept for you to understand?

The NBA regular season is not a joke. It's an 82 game grind, so you have to expect the players to pace themselves appropriately. You seem to prefer watching inferior basketball along with mediocre talent, but that's your choice.

Also, if you truly believe that Euroleague > NBA, you're a moron. I'm willing to accept that European leagues are getting better every year, and that the NBA may not always be incredibly superior in talent and skill, and I also appreciate that you bring another perspective, or friendly reminder on this.

Don't believe me? Watch the Olympics. USA destroys everyone, easily, and just with your own eyes, watching the games, you can see how much better our players are. And they do this without years of playing together and team chemistry, they do this on-the-fly. Think about it. We get to together and train for a few weeks, we spend a short amount of times setting up our offense. But then again, you believe the games are rigged.

Think it through. How the f** could the games be rigged? Think about who would have to be involved. How many individuals would have to keep a secret.

I think you want to be smart, and your intentions are alright, but ehh... no one takes you seriously at this point

The Olympics play with 80% NBA rules and rigged refs during every single Team USA game.

Sorry.............but anyone using the Olympics to compare to the Euroleague does not know what the they are talking about.

NBA and Olympics and World Championship are RIGGED. PERIOD.

As for the coaches.............don't you see? Look at Derrick Rose and how his coach uses him and tell me that makes even one shred of sense at all. Yet, he is considered a "genius" coach in the NBA.

NBA coaches are awful. AWFUL. Only a handful of them are good. The average NBA coach knows this about basketball - "just give it to this guy and everyone else get the hell out of the way".

If you happen to be one of those players, then the refs help you also (Stern's orders) and of course strangely...the NBA rules just also happen to help you.

Oh, and how odd that these same players also happen to be the marketing pieces of ESPN/TNT, Gatorade, Nike, Reebok, Addidas - and all the sponsors that pay the NBA.

It's sad that so few people seem to be able to grasp this.

[JohnnySic]

So you're like Euroleague, you believe that NBA games are rigged.
"Rigged" is a little strong; I prefer "choreographed". Remember, ite a show, it has to look a certain way. Just part of the world that Stern created.

[7_cody]

No. But saying that the NBA is a hard league to score in is absolutely freaking ridiculous. There is no defense at all during the NBA regular season, and even in the playoffs (despite the players trying more) there is still not that much, due to the rules and the refs.

In the NBA the coaches and the refs determine mainly how much players score.......and most of that is dictated by the general managers and Stern.

The NBA is basically a scripted sports soap opera.

The only difference between Brandon Jennings in NBA and Brandon Jennings in Europe is that in Europe he was just treated like every single other player by the coaches and played under normal game rules (not crazy NBA rules that basically outlaw defense) and with refs that were not specifically trying to help him.

That's it. Why in the hell so many NBA fans cannot comprehend this stuff is truly pathetic and sad. The NBA is just a complete consumer product for marketing and sponsorship money. It's not even an actual sporting competition.

The entertainment element exists, along with the business element as well. What kind of a business men would allow the NBA to become scripted, rigged, or predetermined in any way?

This is how a business works, at its core. Determine what customers want, and provide it for them.

Of course the rules are in favor of the offense over defense. It's what the consumers want. Really, this just means things like no hand checking, no camping in the paint so that guards are able to penetrate and score, to list off examples at the top of my head. So in a sense, it does make it easier to score. But in all basketball, perfect offense always beats perfect defense. Competition remains in balance.

You know what's easy? Shooting a mid-range jumper, I mean, a three-point shot in Europe.

[Euroleague]

Jesus, you're dumb.

You really don't know why the Superbowl makes more money then a Playoff series?

I'll break it down for you (man, this is embarrassing). 1) Arena capacity, 2) Football is more popular than Basketball, 3) Advertising (more viewers)

That's a basic breakdown. Study, learn.

I remember when the Raiders made the Superbowl with Rich Gannon. They had one crappy game, Gannon played like CRAP! If it was a best of 3, or a best of 5, the Raiders could have possibly won. How does one game determine a champion? One-game-eliminations are flawed. A team that wins in a seven game series is probably the better team.

Explain to me how NBA games are rigged. Explain to me how that's even possible? Why even take that risk? If that was the case, then how come we have so many sweeps in the Playoffs? Why not rig some games so that sweeps are rare, more revenue is generated? Have you even thought t his through? You truly believe this garbage?

You claim to watch the NBA and Olympics basketball, and at the same time you claim neither is rigged. And you think I'm dumb?

[Euroleague]

WTF?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

Has anyone here tried reffing? You're all f*** stupid as sh**.

Try it. I promise you won't make all the right calls. it's hard as hell. NBA refs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other basketball refs

The worst ref in Euroleague is better than the best ref in NBA.

NCAA tournament refs are also better than NBA refs.

FIBA refs are better than NBA refs...........however they also rig and fix games often, just like NBA refs.

Of course rigging goes on in Euroleague/Eurocup and European leagues as well and NCAA also, but it's nothing remotely as bad as what you see in NBA or in any game involving Team USA (Olympics/World Championship).

Who runs NBA? Stern

Who now controls the appointments of the heads of FIBA? Stern

Who does not run European club basketball? Stern

Who does not run NCAA? Stern

What an amazing coincidence.............

[7_cody]

The Olympics play with 80% NBA rules and rigged refs during every single Team USA game.

Sorry.............but anyone using the Olympics to compare to the Euroleague does not know what the they are talking about.

NBA and Olympics and World Championship are RIGGED. PERIOD.

As for the coaches.............don't you see? Look at Derrick Rose and how his coach uses him and tell me that makes even one shred of sense at all. Yet, he is considered a "genius" coach in the NBA.

NBA coaches are awful. AWFUL. Only a handful of them are good. The average NBA coach knows this about basketball - "just give it to this guy and everyone else get the hell out of the way".

If you happen to be one of those players, then the refs help you also (Stern's orders) and of course strangely...the NBA rules just also happen to help you.

Oh, and how odd that these same players also happen to be the marketing pieces of ESPN/TNT, Gatorade, Nike, Reebok, Addidas - and all the sponsors that pay the NBA.

It's sad that so few people seem to be able to grasp this.

I'm not a big Bulls fan, and I didn't watch too many of their games last year. I could be wrong in how think Rose is used, but I am going to say that he is asked to penetrate, create space for teammates, and distribute the ball. If not, IMO, that's what he should be doing. He has superior athleticism, he's quick, and he can attack the basket effectively. I would tell Rose, take the ball inside! You either make it, you get fouled, or you will be able to kick the ball out to a wide open teammate.

Can you explain to me how he's not being used properly? If he takes wild three-point shots, or a transition jump-shot on a fastbreak, or iso's his man for a contested shot of any type, then he's probably doing things his Coach does not want.

Lastly, I'm confused to how Stern can "order" a Laker victory, or "order" referee favoritism. Think about what it would take to pull this off.

You said it yourself that the NBA is a business, as well as a competitive sport, right? Derrick Rose, who has great entertainment value, is extremely fun to watch and brings in thousands of fans as he generates sales and viewers for the NBA, is now doing the same for other companies such as Gatorade.

Am I really explaining these things?

[Euroleague]

"Rigged" is a little strong; I prefer "choreographed". Remember, ite a show, it has to look a certain way. Just part of the world that Stern created.

I agree. Words like scripted and choreographed are probably better.

[Euroleague]

The entertainment element exists, along with the business element as well. What kind of a business men would allow the NBA to become scripted, rigged, or predetermined in any way?

This is how a business works, at its core. Determine what customers want, and provide it for them.

Of course the rules are in favor of the offense over defense. It's what the consumers want. Really, this just means things like no hand checking, no camping in the paint so that guards are able to penetrate and score, to list off examples at the top of my head. So in a sense, it does make it easier to score. But in all basketball, perfect offense always beats perfect defense. Competition remains in balance.

You know what's easy? Shooting a mid-range jumper, I mean, a three-point shot in Europe.

FIBA 3 point line is 22 feet 2 inches at the top (NBA is 23-9) and only 2 inches shorter than NBA 3 point line at the corners.

How is a 22 foot plus jump shot a "mid-range jumper"?

[PistonsFan#21]

The worst team in the NBA would beat the best team in the NCAA...why would i want to watch a lower level of competition? The only reason why some NCAA players seem to try harder is because they want to make it to the NBA more so than to protect their teams legacy.

Watch how Adam Morrisson dominated in his years in college and he is now getting almost no playing time

[jlip]

Both have their own individual appeal to me. I don't watch either expecting to receive the same thing. When I'm watching NCAA there is a certain thing that I'm looking for. When I watch the NBA, I'm looking for something different because they are two completely separate products.

[7_cody]

FIBA 3 point line is 22 feet 2 inches at the top (NBA is 23-9) and only 2 inches shorter than NBA 3 point line at the corners.

How is a 22 foot plus jump shot a "mid-range jumper"?

Sure, I won't argue with you there.

So, who wins, our top 10 players v. Euroleague top 10? No NBA rules. No prescripted, preplanned, prewritten games (WTF ever any of this means? How the f*** an of this is even possible???)?

[OmniStrife]

Sure, I won't argue with you there.

So, who wins, our top 10 players v. Euroleague top 10? No NBA rules. No prescripted, preplanned, prewritten games (WTF ever any of this means? How the f*** an of this is even possible???)?
Stern has basketball-attrackting magnets hidden in the hoops obviously... :rolleyes:

[7_cody]

Stern has basketball-attrackting magnets hidden in the hoops obviously... :rolleyes:

Ahhh! Now I see! Scripting a game, prewriting the outcome is totally possible now :hammerhead:

I mean, there's no way the thousands of stakeholders, such as shareholders (owners, for those that don't know), consumers, hundreds of other large Corporations in advertising, broadcasting, the suppliers, nearby businesses that rely on NBA attendance, etc etc... would possibly know something is up if games were really prescripted, prewritten, or predetermined in any way.

[Euroleague]

Sure, I won't argue with you there.

So, who wins, our top 10 players v. Euroleague top 10? No NBA rules. No prescripted, preplanned, prewritten games (WTF ever any of this means? How the f*** an of this is even possible???)?

Spanoulis/Huertas/McCalebb
Navarro/Teodosic or Rakocevic
Diamantidis/San Emeterio
Teletovic/Lorbek
Bourousis/Schortsanitis/Krstic

You could assemble a 12 man team from Euroleague with some combination of those players, that under mixed NBA/FIBA rules (like the rules Barca played the Lakers under) and with let's say neutral refs, in other words, no NBA or ULEB refs, but maybe some refs from FIBA.

And play it on a neutral court somewhere (not in USA/Canada), and you could give problems to ANY NBA team that you could assemble.

Barca beat the Lakers, even with 2 of the 3 refs being from the NBA and at times trying to help the Lakers.

Seriously..........under a neural ref setting, at a neutral court, with mixed NBA/FIBA rules, the NBA would have all it could handle to beat such a Euroleague team.

[Droid101]

Spanoulis/Huertas/McCalebb
Navarro/Teodosic or Rakocevic
Diamantidis/San Emeterio
Teletovic/Lorbek
Bourousis/Schortsanitis/Krstic

You could assemble a 12 man team from Euroleague with some combination of those players, that under mixed NBA/FIBA rules (like the rules Barca played the Lakers under) and with let's say neutral refs, in other words, no NBA or ULEB refs, but maybe some refs from FIBA.

And play it on a neutral court somewhere (not in USA/Canada), and you could give problems to ANY NBA team that you could assemble.

Barca beat the Lakers, even with 2 of the 3 refs being from the NBA and at times trying to help the Lakers.

Seriously..........under a neural ref setting, at a neutral court, with mixed NBA/FIBA rules, the NBA would have all it could handle to beat such a Euroleague team.
Zach Randolph and four scrubs could beat that team. Probably shut them out.

[Euroleague]

Zach Randolph and four scrubs could beat that team. Probably shut them out.


You don't know a damn thing about basketball.

[chains5000]

Spanoulis/Huertas/McCalebb
Navarro/Teodosic or Rakocevic
Diamantidis/San Emeterio
Teletovic/Lorbek
Bourousis/Schortsanitis/Krstic

You could assemble a 12 man team from Euroleague with some combination of those players, that under mixed NBA/FIBA rules (like the rules Barca played the Lakers under) and with let's say neutral refs, in other words, no NBA or ULEB refs, but maybe some refs from FIBA.

And play it on a neutral court somewhere (not in USA/Canada), and you could give problems to ANY NBA team that you could assemble.

Barca beat the Lakers, even with 2 of the 3 refs being from the NBA and at times trying to help the Lakers.

Seriously..........under a neural ref setting, at a neutral court, with mixed NBA/FIBA rules, the NBA would have all it could handle to beat such a Euroleague team.
Huertas should start over Spanoulis IMO

[HylianNightmare]

You don't know a damn thing about basketball.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_e3gDaHO8VLQ/R2FuolZzkBI/AAAAAAAADCs/7ZDMX3srYyo/s320/black_kettle.jpg

[Euroleague]

Huertas should start over Spanoulis IMO

Why? About equal on offense but Spanoulis is much better on defense.

[chains5000]

Why? About equal on offense but Spanoulis is much better on defense.
I just like his game more

[RRR3]

Euroleague
That team would get owned by...

PG CP3/Dwill
SG wade/ Kobe
SF lbj/durant
PF amare/z-Bo
C d12/al Jefferson

[trooper]

Spanoulis/Huertas/McCalebb
Navarro/Teodosic or Rakocevic
Diamantidis/San Emeterio
Teletovic/Lorbek
Bourousis/Schortsanitis/Krstic

You could assemble a 12 man team from Euroleague with some combination of those players, that under mixed NBA/FIBA rules (like the rules Barca played the Lakers under) and with let's say neutral refs, in other words, no NBA or ULEB refs, but maybe some refs from FIBA.

And play it on a neutral court somewhere (not in USA/Canada), and you could give problems to ANY NBA team that you could assemble.

Barca beat the Lakers, even with 2 of the 3 refs being from the NBA and at times trying to help the Lakers.

Seriously..........under a neural ref setting, at a neutral court, with mixed NBA/FIBA rules, the NBA would have all it could handle to beat such a Euroleague team.

Exhibition game? :confusedshrug:

[ballup]

I don't like the single game elimination format of March Madness nor do I like the 7 game series format of the NBA playoffs. Best format imo is a 5 game series.

I agree that the NBA regular season is too long, but due to its size, it has to be that way. IMO, the regular season should have 76 games for each team. 4 games against each division team, 3 games against every other conference team, and 2 games against each team from the other conference.

[Euroleague]

I just like his game more


Well I wasn't going by liking game, but well, you know NBA fans they are so hung up on starter/bench. Which is irrelevant in Europe anyway.

If I was picking on "liking game" then I would probably add in some other guys like Zisis, Khryapa, Hairston, Fotsis, etc.

[Euroleague]

Euroleague
That team would get owned by...

PG CP3/Dwill
SG wade/ Kobe
SF lbj/durant
PF amare/z-Bo
C d12/al Jefferson

Under NBA rules, on an NBA court, with NBA refs....yes.

That's not the topic at hand. The criteria was a neutral court, with neutral refs and mixed FIBA/NBA rules.

Under that scenario, the NBA would have their hands full with that team.

[RRR3]

Under NBA rules, on an NBA court, with NBA refs....yes.

That's not the topic at hand. The criteria was a neutral court, with neutral refs and mixed FIBA/NBA rules.

Under that scenario, the NBA would have their hands full with that team.
No, I meant on neutral court with "neutral refs" :rolleyes:
That team would destroy your team. You didn't even pick Dirk and Pau Gasol for your team :facepalm

[Euroleague]

Exhibition game? :confusedshrug:

It was not an exhibition game.

NBA fans just made up that BS once the Lakers lost.

[Euroleague]

No, I meant on neutral court with "neutral refs" :rolleyes:
That team would destroy your team. You didn't even pick Dirk and Pau Gasol for your team :facepalm

First of all, under that scenario the NBA team you listed would not in any way come close to crushing that Euroleague team. In fact, they could easily lose to that Euroleague team.

If you think that NBA team would "destroy" that Euroleague team under those conditions then you are truly delusional about the level of the NBA and the level of the Euroleague. Totally delusional.

Secondly..............Pau Gasol and Dirk Nowitzki do NOT play in the Euroleague. They play in the NBA. So why the hell would NBA players be playing for the Euroleague team? Please explain that............

:facepalm :facepalm

[Droid101]

It was not an exhibition game.

NBA fans just made up that BS once the Lakers lost.
It's a pre-season game. They're all exhibition games.

[RRR3]

First of all, under that scenario the NBA team you listed would not in any way come close to crushing that Euroleague team. In fact, they could easily lose to that Euroleague team.

If you think that NBA team would "destroy" that Euroleague team under those conditions then you are truly delusional about the level of the NBA and the level of the Euroleague. Totally delusional.

Secondly..............Pau Gasol and Dirk Nowitzki do NOT play in the Euroleague. They play in the NBA. So why the hell would NBA players be playing for the Euroleague team> Please explain that............

:facepalm :facepalm



First of all, you think Spanoulis is gonna guard CP3 or D-Will? :roll: LBJ vs. Turkoglu? :roll: D12 vs. Krstic? :roll: And secondly, Dirk and Pau played in euroleague before coming to the NBA, didn't they? I could be wrong. But if I'm correct, you're stupid for not taking them.

[Euroleague]

It's a pre-season game. They're all exhibition games.

That was not an exhibition game. Stop lying.

Jackson was yelling, cussing, throwing things when they lost.

Go ahead and keep up your little fantasy land.

[Euroleague]

First of all, you think Spanoulis is gonna guard CP3 or D-Will? :roll: LBJ vs. Turkoglu? :roll: D12 vs. Krstic? :roll: And secondly, Dirk and Pau played in euroleague before coming to the NBA, didn't they? I could be wrong. But if I'm correct, you're stupid for not taking them.

You are obviously retarded.

[RRR3]

You are obviously retarded.
I forget, how did V-Span do in the NBA? :roll: I forget, who is a better player, LeBron or Turkoglu? :roll: I forget, who makes the All-Star team, D12 or Krstic? :roll: You're a joke.

[DFish]

This yuropoor thinks his second-rate yuro players could hold a candle to NBA greats? :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :facepalm

[Droid101]

That was not an exhibition game.
Yes, it was.

It did not count toward either team's regular season record.

It did not count toward either team's playoff (or tournament) seeding.

It did not count toward any player's stat totals or averages.

It did not count toward either coach's overall coaching record.

So, in which way was this not an exhibition game, would probably be a better question?

[Babalu]

i dont know where this thread went but since i've only read the title, but to answer your question

I want to watch the best play. The pros.

If i want to watch amateurs play I go to the park and play with them.

[Burgz]

do. not. feed. the troll.

that is all