5 Best NBA SG's all time

[DirtySanchez]

1. Micheal Jeffery Jordan

http://www.legendplayers.com/pics/2009/01/michael_jordan_chicago.jpg

Titles: 6 (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)

Honors: 14-time All-Star, 5-time MVP (1988, 1991, 1992, 1996, 1998), 6-time Finals MVP, Rookie of the Year (1985), Defensive Player of the Year (1988) Hall of Fame

2. Kobe Bryant

http://images.pictureshunt.com/pics/k/kobe_bryant_dribbling-4334.jpg

Titles: 3 (2000, 2001, 2002, 2009,2010)

Honors: 13-time All-Star, MVP, 2- Finals MVP

3. Jerry West

http://gyaniz.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/44.jpg

Titles: 1 (1972)

Honors: 14-time All-Star, Finals MVP (1969), Hall of Fame, The Logo!!!!

4. Clyde Drexler

http://supergigant.blox.pl/resource/clyde.drexler.jpg

Titles: 1 (1995)

Honors: 10-time All-Star, Hall of Fame

5. Reggie Miller

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110125062148/uncyclopedia/images/c/ce/Reggie-miller-choke.jpg

Titles: 0

Honors: 5-time All-Star

But I put Reggie on here because the man was clutched and can hit three's like no other (even better then Ray!!!) And he stayed in a small market team his whole career...RESPECT!!!!

Honorable mentions...

Gervin, Iverson, Dumars, Wade, Pistol Pete, Earl Monroe, Sam Jones

[DevilsAssassin]

Reggie Miller is the most overrated RETIRED NBA player on ISH

[oolalaa]

Miller at #5? :roll:

1. Jordan
2. West
3. Bryant
4. Wade
5. Drexler
6. Jones
7. Greer
8. Gervin
9. Miller
10. Allen

[chips93]

Miller at #5? :roll:

1. Jordan
2. West
3. Bryant
4. Wade
5. Drexler
6. Jones
7. Greer
8. Gervin
9. Miller
10. Allen

no iverson?

what has gervin done to be ranked over iverson?

[DirtySanchez]

Miller at #5? :roll:


4. Wade

6. Jones
7. Greer
8. Gervin

10. Allen

I'd take Miller over all those guys.....maybe not Wade but the rest of them!

[DuMa]

Reggie Miller is just a poor man's version of Kobe.
hardly plays any defense and just chucks away from the 3pter all game long. and is remembered for a few clutch shots here and there.

[oolalaa]

no iverson?

what has gervin done to be ranked over iverson?

Iverson is #11...

Gervin was a FAR more efficient scorer who had more team success over his career.

[oolalaa]

I'd take Miller over all those guys.....maybe not Wade but the rest of them!


Reggie miller is one of the most overrated players of all time.

Mediocre defender, average playmaker, poor rebounder and because he couldn't consistently create his own shots was merely a good scorer, rather than a great one.

He had some great clutch moments but also laid a lot of eggs. People need to stop judging reggie miller solely on the knicks series in the mid 90s.

[Rnbizzle]

1. Mike
2. Kobe
3. Wade
4. West
5. Drexler

Lol at you guys having Miller in your top 5's.. Ray Allen > Reggie Miller for christ sake..

[oolalaa]

1. Mike
2. Kobe
3. Wade
4. West
5. Drexler

Lol at you guys having Miller in your top 5's.. Ray Allen > Reggie Miller for christ sake..

:roll: at wade over west.

It amazes me how underrated jerry west is these days :facepalm

[Cangri]

:roll: at wade over west.

It amazes me how underrated jerry west is these days :facepalm
Wade is clearly better than West.

[oolalaa]

Wade is clearly better than West.

:banghead:

Do some research...

[Dragonyeuw]

I'd put Wade over Miller right now. In two years, I'll put Wade over Drexler.

I'd put Wade over Drexler right now.

[AlphaWolf24]

.1 Kobe Bean Bryant

http://images.pictureshunt.com/pics/k/kobe_bryant_dribbling-4334.jpg


titles 5 in 7 NBA Finals(2000, 2001, 2002,2004, 2008 ,2009,2010)

Honors: 13-time All-Star, MVP, 2- Finals MVP, 9X all defensive 1rst team , 9X all NBA First team, 13 X Allstar 4X allstar game MVP, 2008 NBA MVP , 2nd highest scoring game in NBA History , 5th alltime scorer in NBA History and climbing

and still playing and adding to his already top 5 alltime legacy

.2 Micheal Jeffery Jordan

http://www.legendplayers.com/pics/2009/01/michael_jordan_chicago.jpg

Titles: 6 (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)

Honors: 14-time All-Star, 5-time MVP (1988, 1991, 1992, 1996, 1998), 6-time Finals MVP, Rookie of the Year (1985), Defensive Player of the Year (1988) Hall of Fame



3. Jerry West

http://gyaniz.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/44.jpg

Titles: 1 (1972)

Honors: 14-time All-Star, Finals MVP (1969), Hall of Fame, The Logo!!!!

4. Clyde Drexler

http://supergigant.blox.pl/resource/clyde.drexler.jpg

Titles: 1 (1995)

Honors: 10-time All-Star, Hall of Fame

5. Reggie Miller

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110125062148/uncyclopedia/images/c/ce/Reggie-miller-choke.jpg

Titles: 0

Honors: 5-time All-Star

But I put Reggie on here because the man was clutched and can hit three's like no other (even better then Ray!!!) And he stayed in a small market team his whole career...RESPECT!!!!

Honorable mentions...

Gervin, Iverson, Dumars, Wade, Pistol Pete, Earl Monroe, Sam Jones



Fixed

[bagelred]

Are people forgetting Miller could not dribble left handed, could not drive to the basket, and could not create his own shot?

He's becoming very overrated on ISH.

[JellyBean]

Iverson is #11...

Gervin was a FAR more efficient scorer who had more team success over his career.


Thank you. The disrespect of Gervin has to stop.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Ray Allen is definitely top 15.

[ShaqAttack3234]

1. Micheal Jeffery Jordan

http://www.legendplayers.com/pics/2009/01/michael_jordan_chicago.jpg

Titles: 6 (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)

Honors: 14-time All-Star, 5-time MVP (1988, 1991, 1992, 1996, 1998), 6-time Finals MVP, Rookie of the Year (1985), Defensive Player of the Year (1988) Hall of Fame

2. Kobe Bryant

http://images.pictureshunt.com/pics/k/kobe_bryant_dribbling-4334.jpg

Titles: 3 (2000, 2001, 2002, 2009,2010)

Honors: 13-time All-Star, MVP, 2- Finals MVP

3. Jerry West

http://gyaniz.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/44.jpg

Titles: 1 (1972)

Honors: 14-time All-Star, Finals MVP (1969), Hall of Fame, The Logo!!!!

4. Clyde Drexler

http://supergigant.blox.pl/resource/clyde.drexler.jpg

Titles: 1 (1995)

Honors: 10-time All-Star, Hall of Fame

5. Reggie Miller

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110125062148/uncyclopedia/images/c/ce/Reggie-miller-choke.jpg

Titles: 0

Honors: 5-time All-Star

But I put Reggie on here because the man was clutched and can hit three's like no other (even better then Ray!!!) And he stayed in a small market team his whole career...RESPECT!!!!

Honorable mentions...

Gervin, Iverson, Dumars, Wade, Pistol Pete, Earl Monroe, Sam Jones

Wade shouldn't be lower than Drexler and especially Miller. Not even sure why Pistol Pete is an honorable mention either.

1.Jordan
2.Kobe
3.West
4.Wade
5.Drexler

[Pushxx]

Reggie Miller remains the most overrated figure in sports history.

Seriously...look the lists up and compare everyone on there with Reggie Miller.

Reggie Miller was a ROLE PLAYER with a SUPERSTAR attitude...people confuse the two a lot.

[pmj]

Miller in the top 5 is a complete joke. Ray Allen is better than him and he's not top 5 either.

[pegasus]

Jordan
Kobe
West
Iverson
Drexler/Wade

[Cali Syndicate]

Wade is top 5. Miller is not.

Jordan at 1 and Kobe at 2 is a lock. 3-5 can be argued either which way.

For me...

3. West
4. Wade
5. Drexler

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Today I learned how to get Wade fans to suddenly diminish the importance of efficiency...

True Shooting Pct

1989-90 NBA .645 (3)
1990-91 NBA .649 (1)
1991-92 NBA .629 (3)
1992-93 NBA .617 (4)
1993-94 NBA .636 (1)
1994-95 NBA .620 (8)
1995-96 NBA .625 (6)
1996-97 NBA .603 (10)
1997-98 NBA .619 (2)
1998-99 NBA .590 (5)
1999-00 NBA .603 (3)
2000-01 NBA .574 (8)
2001-02 NBA .617 (3)
2002-03 NBA .597 (5)
2003-04 NBA .600 (5)
Career NBA .614 (6)
Career .614 (7)

Offensive Rating

1989-90 NBA 123.7 (5)
1990-91 NBA 129.6 (1)
1991-92 NBA 125.5 (2)
1992-93 NBA 125.5 (1)
1993-94 NBA 122.8 (1)
1994-95 NBA 123.2 (6)
1996-97 NBA 120.7 (7)
1997-98 NBA 120.9 (3)
1998-99 NBA 118.7 (1)
1999-00 NBA 118.1 (4)
2000-01 NBA 114.8 (7)
2001-02 NBA 120.6 (3)
2002-03 NBA 121.6 (2)
2003-04 NBA 123.0 (2)
Career NBA 121.5 (2)
Career 121.5 (2)

:applause:

[MasterDurant24]

no iverson?

what has gervin done to be ranked over iverson?
Uh, he's one of the(at least top 7) best perimeter scorers ever. Twice as effcient as Iverson.

[Human Error]

Lol at nostalgia idiots who were not even born during Drexler's prime saying Drexler is better than Wade. Drexler at any point of his career was not a top 10 player in the league while Wade is a perenniel MVP contender. Of course Drexler was better than Iverson but better than Wade? Give me a break.:roll:

[Scholar]

This is the true top 5 all-time list:














Sasha Vujacic
Mike Miller
Corey Maggette
Vince Carter
Steve Francis








Say wut?

[oolalaa]

Lol at nostalgia idiots who were not even born during Drexler's prime saying Drexler is better than Wade. Drexler at any point of his career was not a top 10 player in the league while Wade is a perenniel MVP contender. Of course Drexler was better than Iverson but better than Wade? Give me a break.:roll:

:facepalm :facepalm

[Rekindled]

in what category is west better than reggie , give reggie Wilt on his team and he would win more than 1 championship for sure. The best player reggie ever played with was probably mark freaking jackson and they went to like 5 ECFs

[D-Wade316]

Today I learned how to get Wade fans to suddenly diminish the importance of efficiency...

True Shooting Pct

1989-90 NBA .645 (3)
1990-91 NBA .649 (1)
1991-92 NBA .629 (3)
1992-93 NBA .617 (4)
1993-94 NBA .636 (1)
1994-95 NBA .620 (8)
1995-96 NBA .625 (6)
1996-97 NBA .603 (10)
1997-98 NBA .619 (2)
1998-99 NBA .590 (5)
1999-00 NBA .603 (3)
2000-01 NBA .574 (8)
2001-02 NBA .617 (3)
2002-03 NBA .597 (5)
2003-04 NBA .600 (5)
Career NBA .614 (6)
Career .614 (7)

Offensive Rating

1989-90 NBA 123.7 (5)
1990-91 NBA 129.6 (1)
1991-92 NBA 125.5 (2)
1992-93 NBA 125.5 (1)
1993-94 NBA 122.8 (1)
1994-95 NBA 123.2 (6)
1996-97 NBA 120.7 (7)
1997-98 NBA 120.9 (3)
1998-99 NBA 118.7 (1)
1999-00 NBA 118.1 (4)
2000-01 NBA 114.8 (7)
2001-02 NBA 120.6 (3)
2002-03 NBA 121.6 (2)
2003-04 NBA 123.0 (2)
Career NBA 121.5 (2)
Career 121.5 (2)

:applause:
:facepalm

[Boston C's]

Miller in the top 5 is a complete joke. Ray Allen is better than him and he's not top 5 either.

This... hes arguably top 10... (i have him in my top 10 GOAT SG lists one below Allen)

[D-Wade316]

:facepalm @ Miller above the likes of Wade, and Gervin. The guy was a role player, nothing else. The guys I mentioned were MVP candidates during their playing time for God's sake.

[rodman91]

Iverson & Wade should have higher rank then Drexler...

Iverson
MVP,4 scoring titles,6th highest ppg in season history, 2nd highest ppg in playoff history,3rd most 50 points game in playoffs,franchise player,carried a weak team to finals,great finals performance.

Wade
FMVP,one of the greatest finals performance ever,win a ring as best player on his team.

[jacobgoindum]

1. Jordan, Michael
2. Bryant, Kobe
3. West, Jerry
4. Wade, Dwyane
5. Iverson, Allen

HM:
Drexler, Clyde
Gervin, George

[D-Wade316]

Top 5 Best SG's:
1. MJ
2. Wade
3. West
4. Kobe
5. Gervin

Top 5 Most Accomplished SG's:
1. MJ
2. Kobe
3. West
4. Wade
5. Gervin

[jacobgoindum]

I'm a moron

yes you are

[D-Wade316]

yes you are
Nice try, rookie.

[PowerGlove]

Iverson is #11...

Gervin was a FAR more efficient scorer who had more team success over his career.
http://leroydragon.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/i_aint_even_mad_493.jpg

[jacobgoindum]

Nice try, rookie.

Join date: June 2011

and nice fail neg, I didnt go down a single point

[D-Wade316]

Join date: June 2011

and nice fail neg, I didnt go down a single point
The total count of your post says otherwise.

[rodman91]

Reggie Miller remains the most overrated figure in sports history.

Seriously...look the lists up and compare everyone on there with Reggie Miller.

Reggie Miller was a ROLE PLAYER with a SUPERSTAR attitude...people confuse the two a lot.

http://i30.tinypic.com/295wfus.gif

[D-Wade316]

http://i30.tinypic.com/295wfus.gif
:lol

[oolalaa]

in what category is west better than reggie , give reggie Wilt on his team and he would win more than 1 championship for sure. The best player reggie ever played with was probably mark freaking jackson and they went to like 5 ECFs

:eek:

Scoring (vastly superior)
Playmaking (vastly superior)
Rebounding
1 on 1 defence (vastly superior)
Team defence
Steals

West was also a great leader and teammate. He doesn't have more rings because of the era he happened to play in. L.A didn't have an answer for russells domination under the boards.

You have over 7000 posts. How do you not know this??

[HiphopRelated]

lol @ a 5 time allstar that made a couple 3rd team all nba being a top 5 position player

[Bigsmoke]

Reggie Miller over Iverson?

[Heavincent]

1.) Jordan

2.) Kobe

















3.) West
4.) Everyone else

[Deuce Bigalow]

Wade, Iverson, Gervin > Miller

[ShaqAttack3234]

Uh, he's one of the(at least top 7) best perimeter scorers ever. Twice as effcient as Iverson.

And Gervin was the definition of one-dimensional, that was all he did.

When I've seen some late 70's/early 80's Gervin games, I'm not seeing a better scorer than Iverson.

Nevermind the fact that Gervin barely rebounded more in a much faster paced era(despite Iverson being a 6'0" guard on a great rebounding team).

Gervin was also a notoriously poor defender. Iverson wasn't a very good defender either, but at least he could make an impact playing the passing lanes, and his man to man defense was better vs guys his size than Gervin's was.

Iverson was also a vastly superior playmaker. I prefer Iverson at shooting guard, but when he switched back to point guard in 2005, he had a hell of a season.


in what category is west better than reggie , give reggie Wilt on his team and he would win more than 1 championship for sure. The best player reggie ever played with was probably mark freaking jackson and they went to like 5 ECFs

Really? Last I checked, Jerry West averaged 38 ppg in the '69 finals, had 42/13/12 in game and remains the only player to win finals MVP on a losing team.

Wilt averaged 11.7 ppg in the series(down from 20.5 during the regular season).

[Deuce Bigalow]

And Gervin was the definition of one-dimensional, that was all he did.

When I've seen some late 70's/early 80's Gervin games, I'm not seeing a better scorer than Iverson.

Nevermind the fact that Gervin barely rebounded more in a much faster paced era(despite Iverson being a 6'0" guard on a great rebounding team).

Gervin was also a notoriously poor defender. Iverson wasn't a very good defender either, but at least he could make an impact playing the passing lanes, and his man to man defense was better vs guys his size than Gervin's was.

Iverson was also a vastly superior playmaker. I prefer Iverson at shooting guard, but when he switched back to point guard in 2005, he had a hell of a season.



Really? Last I checked, Jerry West averaged 38 ppg in the '69 finals, had 42/13/12 in game and remains the only player to win finals MVP on a losing team.

Wilt averaged 11.7 ppg in the series(down from 20.5 during the regular season).

INB4 Jlauber

[bizil]

I would roll with in GOAT terms: (solo accolades, team accolades, longevity being great, numbers)

1. MJ
2. Kobe
3. West
4. Drexler
5. Wade

I think Wade has played long enough to start getting ranked at number five. He's accomplished a hell of a lot. He's already a Finals MVP, has a ring, gold medal, is a seven time all star, and is six time all NBA. He averages 25.4 points, 6 ast, and 5 rebounds for his career. All of these factors together is better than many SG's already in the Hall. I think he's going to eclipse West and Drexler. West and Drexler both played at a high level well into their mid 30's. But to be honest, if someone had Wade above Clyde at this point, I
wouldn't complain. Coming in the L and accumulating what Wade did young into his career can acclerate moving up the chart when a guy is going into his 9th year in the L. Wade has most likely already played half of his career.

But in terms of peak value these are my top 5 SG's ever:

MJ
Kobe
Wade
T-Mac
West

Then u got these type of guys as well in terms of peak value:

Drexler
Gervin
Thomspon
Pete
AI
Monroe

I know I'm gonna catch heat for having West at five. But I feel Wade and Mac at their best is better than West at his. If anything they have size and freakish athletic ability on West. And both are very versatile on the court as well. But if someone had West as high as number three, of course I wouldn't complain.

[asdf1990]

jordan
manu
wade
west
ray allen


everyone else.

[Heavincent]

jordan
manu
wade
west
ray allen


everyone else.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j296/Kaboose88/George_Takei_LOLs.gif

[Jacks3]

1. Jordan

2.Kobe
3.West


4.Drexler
5.Wade

[pauk]

Reggie :bowdown:

[M.V.P]

Combination of peak play, longevity, accomplishments, stats, and playoff performances I'd rank them:

Michael Jordan - the usual suspect for every top player list. He's got the absolute best combination of accomplishments and statistics. Multiple seasons of 30 ppg, multiple playoffs of 32 or 33 or 34+ ppg, along with legendary finals performances. He's also got the MVP's, Finals MVP's, and All NBA Defenses to boot.

Kobe Bryant - He's done his best imitation of MJ thoughout the 2000's. The premier perimeter player of his generation, has a couple of his own 30 ppg seasons, couple Finals MVP's, an MVP, and many All NBA Defense and All NBA selections.

Jerry West - Also the best guard of his time, had many dominant seasons. A 41 ppg playoff run, a Finals MVP, a championship and many finals appearances. While his talent level isn't quite to the level of someone like Wade whom he's ranked over, relative to his era he was greater than Wade is to his era.

Dwyane Wade - His peak play rivals Kobe despite having multiple seasons interrupted by injury, and his finals performance is at least top 5 of all time. Lacks the hardware of the other 3 players, as he has no MVP award, and only one scoring title (though it's not a formal award). He has both the scoring and defensive advantage over someone like Drexler though, and has a Finals MVP to further cement his legacy.

Clyde Drexler - Unfortunately overshadowed by the magnitude of star power in the 80's and 90's. With players like Magic, Bird, Jordan, Hakeem, Shaq, and Charles Barkley, it was hard for Drexler to really stand out and make an argument for best player in the game like the other 4 players on this list. Still a very good scorer and a good all around player (despite being known for his scoring, he's had a 27/7/6 season) but lacks the hardware that the former 4 players have to overtake any of them.

I don't see Miller coming close to any of these players to be honest.

And completely overlooked in this thread has been Tracey McGrady. While yes his prime play was cut short by chronic injuries, he has 7 All star appearances, 2 scoring titles, and 7 All NBA teams, including the 1st team twice, an honor Miller hasn't received even once. Not to mention despite Miller's significantly longer prime and career, he has less All Star appearances than McGrady, and only 3 All NBA Team selections.

[OmniStrife]

:facepalm Miller.

I'll take Manu before him and his clone, Ray Allen.

[Jacks3]

Kobe Bryant - He's done his best imitation of MJ thoughout the 2000's. .
:facepalm

[RRR3]

Combination of peak play, longevity, accomplishments, stats, and playoff performances I'd rank them:

Michael Jordan - the usual suspect for every top player list. He's got the absolute best combination of accomplishments and statistics. Multiple seasons of 30 ppg, multiple playoffs of 32 or 33 or 34+ ppg, along with legendary finals performances. He's also got the MVP's, Finals MVP's, and All NBA Defenses to boot.

Kobe Bryant - He's done his best imitation of MJ thoughout the 2000's. The premier perimeter player of his generation, has a couple of his own 30 ppg seasons, couple Finals MVP's, an MVP, and many All NBA Defense and All NBA selections.

Jerry West - Also the best guard of his time, had many dominant seasons. A 41 ppg playoff run, a Finals MVP, a championship and many finals appearances. While his talent level isn't quite to the level of someone like Wade whom he's ranked over, relative to his era he was greater than Wade is to his era.

Dwyane Wade - His peak play rivals Kobe despite having multiple seasons interrupted by injury, and his finals performance is at least top 5 of all time. Lacks the hardware of the other 3 players, as he has no MVP award, and only one scoring title (though it's not a formal award). He has both the scoring and defensive advantage over someone like Drexler though, and has a Finals MVP to further cement his legacy.

Clyde Drexler - Unfortunately overshadowed by the magnitude of star power in the 80's and 90's. With players like Magic, Bird, Jordan, Hakeem, Shaq, and Charles Barkley, it was hard for Drexler to really stand out and make an argument for best player in the game like the other 4 players on this list. Still a very good scorer and a good all around player (despite being known for his scoring, he's had a 27/7/6 season) but lacks the hardware that the former 4 players have to overtake any of them.

I don't see Miller coming close to any of these players to be honest.

And completely overlooked in this thread has been Tracey McGrady. While yes his prime play was cut short by chronic injuries, he has 7 All star appearances, 2 scoring titles, and 7 All NBA teams, including the 1st team twice, an honor Miller hasn't received even once. Not to mention despite Miller's significantly longer prime and career, he has less All Star appearances than McGrady, and only 3 All NBA Team selections.
:applause: :applause: :applause:

[Reggie43]

Combination of peak play, longevity, accomplishments, stats, and playoff performances I'd rank them:

Michael Jordan - the usual suspect for every top player list. He's got the absolute best combination of accomplishments and statistics. Multiple seasons of 30 ppg, multiple playoffs of 32 or 33 or 34+ ppg, along with legendary finals performances. He's also got the MVP's, Finals MVP's, and All NBA Defenses to boot.

Kobe Bryant - He's done his best imitation of MJ thoughout the 2000's. The premier perimeter player of his generation, has a couple of his own 30 ppg seasons, couple Finals MVP's, an MVP, and many All NBA Defense and All NBA selections.

Jerry West - Also the best guard of his time, had many dominant seasons. A 41 ppg playoff run, a Finals MVP, a championship and many finals appearances. While his talent level isn't quite to the level of someone like Wade whom he's ranked over, relative to his era he was greater than Wade is to his era.

Dwyane Wade - His peak play rivals Kobe despite having multiple seasons interrupted by injury, and his finals performance is at least top 5 of all time. Lacks the hardware of the other 3 players, as he has no MVP award, and only one scoring title (though it's not a formal award). He has both the scoring and defensive advantage over someone like Drexler though, and has a Finals MVP to further cement his legacy.

Clyde Drexler - Unfortunately overshadowed by the magnitude of star power in the 80's and 90's. With players like Magic, Bird, Jordan, Hakeem, Shaq, and Charles Barkley, it was hard for Drexler to really stand out and make an argument for best player in the game like the other 4 players on this list. Still a very good scorer and a good all around player (despite being known for his scoring, he's had a 27/7/6 season) but lacks the hardware that the former 4 players have to overtake any of them.

I don't see Miller coming close to any of these players to be honest.

And completely overlooked in this thread has been Tracey McGrady. While yes his prime play was cut short by chronic injuries, he has 7 All star appearances, 2 scoring titles, and 7 All NBA teams, including the 1st team twice, an honor Miller hasn't received even once. Not to mention despite Miller's significantly longer prime and career, he has less All Star appearances than McGrady, and only 3 All NBA Team selections.

And despite all of his accolades Tracy failed to lead his team to the 2nd round, something a 39 year old Reggie was able to do playing with Stephen Jackson an injured Jermaine and without a suspended Ron Artest

[M.V.P]

And despite all of his accolades Tracy failed to lead his team to the 2nd round, something a 39 year old Reggie was able to do playing with Stephen Jackson an injured Jermaine and without a suspended Ron Artest
Despite the Artest suspension, Miller's supporting cast that year was still superior to McGrady's when he wasn't hobbled by too many injuries.

In the first round, Stephen Jackson led the team in scoring 3 times, and Jermaine O'Neal twice, while Miller led them in scoring twice.

In the second round, the "injured" Jermaine O'Neal led them in scoring 3 more times (not to mention do his fair share of rebounding), Stephen Jackson again twice, and Miller twice.

It wasn't Reggie that was able to do it, it was his team that was able to do it. Jermaine and Jackson both led the team in scoring more often than Reggie did, and O'Neal was easily a better player at the time. Comparing team success in scenarios in which one player isn't the best on his team while the other is by far the best on his team is completely unfair. There was no point in McGrady's career in Orlando in which a second player had a chance of leading them in scoring (outside of fluke game). In McGrady's second game against Detroit when he scored 40 again, I'm pretty sure his teammates combined shooting percentage was something like ~30%.

It's the equivalent of if you'd rank Byron Scott over Steve Nash because one won a championship, despite multiple players on his team contributing more. The team accomplishment without context doesn't give a good indication of which player is better.

[Boston C's]

:facepalm Miller.

I'll take Manu before him and his clone, Ray Allen.

no... and i dont even think its debatable

[Reggie43]

Despite the Artest suspension, Miller's supporting cast that year was still superior to McGrady's when he wasn't hobbled by too many injuries.

In the first round, Stephen Jackson led the team in scoring 3 times, and Jermaine O'Neal twice, while Miller led them in scoring twice.

In the second round, the "injured" Jermaine O'Neal led them in scoring 3 more times (not to mention do his fair share of rebounding), Stephen Jackson again twice, and Miller twice.

It wasn't Reggie that was able to do it, it was his team that was able to do it. Jermaine and Jackson both led the team in scoring more often than Reggie did, and O'Neal was easily a better player at the time. Comparing team success in scenarios in which one player isn't the best on his team while the other is by far the best on his team is completely unfair. There was no point in McGrady's career in Orlando in which a second player had a chance of leading them in scoring (outside of fluke game). In McGrady's second game against Detroit when he scored 40 again, I'm pretty sure his teammates combined shooting percentage was something like ~30%.

It's the equivalent of if you'd rank Byron Scott over Steve Nash because one won a championship, despite multiple players on his team contributing more. The team accomplishment without context doesn't give a good indication of which player is better.

How about when he was in houston? From what I remember they were favored against the jazz and lost both series. Reggie was arguably the best player in that boston series, leading his team to 2 wins with vintage performances of 28 and 33 pts.

I never denied the fact that Tracy was the better player, I just find it ironic how a player as talented as he is never made it to the 2nd round

[RRR3]

How about when he was in houston? From what I remember they were favored against the jazz and lost both series. Reggie was arguably the best player in that boston series, leading his team to 2 wins with vintage performances of 28 and 33 pts.

I never denied the fact that Tracy was the better player, I just find it ironic how a player as talented as he is never made it to the 2nd round
Outside of his first year in Houston, T-Mac wasn't the player he was in Orlando. He also has the 5th highest playoff scoring average in NBA history iirc, for what it's worth. He and Yao were also rarely healthy at the same time.

[jacobgoindum]

Wow, what ****** negged me for telling the truth

[M.V.P]

:facepalm
How is that a bad thing? Kobe displayed continued excellence throughout the 2000's close to the way MJ dominated his era. I meant impression in the sense of playing well, not copying his style.

[Smoke117]

5 Reggie Miller...lmfao.

[JaskoX1]

I'd put Wade over Miller right now. In two years, I'll put Wade over Drexler.
http://h5.abload.de/img/0112_xmos.gif

[Smoke117]

:facepalm Miller.

I'll take Manu before him and his clone, Ray Allen.

Ray Allen was hardly a clone of Reggie Miller. You never saw a young Ray Allen ball? There is a reason that any sane person that knows anything about basketball has Ray Allen above Reggie Miller. He's a more complete basketball player who could actually handle the ball and score in more ways than just off of screens during his prime years.

[M.V.P]

I never denied the fact that Tracy was the better player, I just find it ironic how a player as talented as he is never made it to the 2nd round
It's as simple as the situation he was in. When he was relatively healthy he played with a very poor supporting cast, and he only had one year with a strong cast before practically deteriorating, becoming a shell of his former self.

[Reggie43]

It's as simple as the situation he was in. When he was relatively healthy he played with a very poor supporting cast, and he only had one year with a strong cast before practically deteriorating, becoming a shell of his former self.

I think it all boils down to his lack of mental toughness. Most of the playoff series he was in they were up by two games and yet they always found a way to lose. and the one time his team advanced was when he was injured even pushing the eventual champs to 7 games

[goldenboy_smith]

WHOEVER SAID WADE is a a FOOL. HE has potential to be nicest but he hasnt earned yet

[HiphopRelated]

WHOEVER SAID WADE is a a FOOL. HE has potential to be nicest but he hasnt earned yet
earned what yet?

He already has more allstars, all nba and Finals appearances than anybody you want to throw at the 5 spot

[Kobe-Bryant]

mj kobe west :rockon:

[JMT]

Lol at nostalgia idiots who were not even born during Drexler's prime saying Drexler is better than Wade. Drexler at any point of his career was not a top 10 player in the league while Wade is a perenniel MVP contender.


Awesome! One less idiot to pay attention to. :facepalm

I LIKE the comparison between Wade and Clyde. having seen the entire career of both, I could go either way...but throwing out crap that isn't close to true doesn't help your cause.

Oscar Robertson is easily over either of them. Aren't you categorizing him as a SG?

Jordan
Bryant
Robertson
West

About a half dozen other guys, none of whom is named Miller.

[JohnnyWall]

Any list that doesn't have Kobe in the top 3 is BS, btw

http://i.imgur.com/4duPPl.jpg

[D.J.]

Reggie at 5??? :facepalm I wouldn't even rank him above Ray Allen.

[with malice]

I'm a lil' surprised that people are counting All Star appearances as an accolade. AS voting hasn't been a serious measure of how good a player is for at least a decade.

Not that I'm unimpressed by T-Mac - whilst I don't think I'd have him top 5 SGs all time, he definitely *could-have-been* had his career not been derailed by injuries.

[jacobgoindum]

http://i.imgur.com/4duPPl.jpg

:wtf: :roll:

[Jasper]

Are people forgetting Miller could not dribble left handed, could not drive to the basket, and could not create his own shot?

He's becoming very overrated on ISH.


Same thing will happen to Kobe when the next generation of 13-15 year olds hit this forum :D

[Dave3]

Same thing will happen to Kobe when the next generation of 13-15 year olds hit this forum :D
I think it'll be the opposite. The same way Kobe is argued over players like Bird and even Jordan right now, LeBron (if he wins just 1) will be argued over Kobe and the "older" people will be where the Jordan fans are now.

[32Dayz]

Currently :

1. MJ > West > Kobe > Wade > Drexler

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4-5 Years in Da Future :

1. MJ > West >=< Wade > Kobe > Drexler

Wade has a chance to surpass West but it's not a given.


#1.
Jordan : Post Season - PER
Peak : 32
Top 5 : 30.16
Top 7 : 29.61
Top 10 : 28.89
Top 13 : 28.6

#9.
Wade : Post Season - PER
Peak : 29.4
Top 5 : 26.64
Top 7 : 24.5

#11.
Jerry West : Post Season - PER
Peak : 26.7
Top 5 : 25.36
Top 7 : 24.59

#15.
Kobe : Post Season - PER
Peak : 26.8
Top 5 : 24
Top 7 : 23