As a Lakers fan, it's kind of depressing hearing...

[catch24]

Hearing all that drama in Shaq's TELL all book (or the excerpts that have been leaked).

While I personally think Shaquille has a legitimate gripe (and the right to say the stuff he has; i.e, Kobe being really anti-social and distant from the team, etc.), I cant help but think the guy sounds like a freaking cry baby. A manchild who couldn't stand another alpha male in the same locker room. Shaq is already pining for the spotlight just 5 months removed from his retirement party.

Reading that Kobe was bullied (and slapped by Shaq) as a rookie was kinda depressing. I grew up on that team, Shaq was that dude. So it's like..they're winning championships, even 3-peating, yet there's this commotion going on? The entire time they never even liked each other? Then you got Phil Jackson who catered to Shaq's ego 24/7 (something I never knew). What's amazing is how these guys made 4 trips to the Finals.

Man, just hearing this type of stuff really is a downer. I feel like a dbag just cheering for these goofs.

[The Iron Fist]

Hearing all that drama in Shaq's TELL all book (or the excerpts that have been leaked).

While I personally think Shaquille has a legitimate gripe (and the right to say the stuff he has; i.e, Kobe being really anti-social and distant from the team, etc.), I cant help but think the guy sounds like a freaking cry baby. A manchild who couldn't stand another alpha male in the same locker room. Shaq is already pining for the spotlight just 5 months removed from his retirement party.

Reading that Kobe was bullied (and slapped by Shaq) as a rookie was kinda depressing. I grew up on that team, Shaq was that dude. So it's like..they're winning championships, even 3-peating, yet there's this commotion going on? The entire time they never even liked each other? Then you got Phil Jackson who catered to Shaq's ego 24/7 (something I never knew). What's amazing is how these guys made 4 trips to the Finals.

Man, just hearing this type of stuff really is a downer. I feel like a dbag just cheering for these goofs.


The only goof was Shaq.


Kobe just wanted to be a great basketball player who was a part of a great team.

Kobe didn't go to LA trying to punk Shaq, he went to LA to practice hard, play harder, and win.

[DirtySanchez]

Kobe was a 17 18 year old kid back then that was confident.

Shaq talking about how he punked him back then just really makes him look shallow.

[Heavincent]

I'm not even a Lakers fan but it is kind of sad how Shaq and Kobe couldn't get along. They could have won 5 or 6 championships together.

[catch24]

The only goof was Shaq.


Kobe just wanted to be a great basketball player who was a part of a great team.

Kobe didn't go to LA trying to punk Shaq, he went to LA to practice hard, play harder, and win.

Hearing the stuff he pulled in that book, 'The Show'...and now this? It's really distasteful. I've lost a lot of respect for him.

[The Iron Fist]

Hearing the stuff he pulled in that book, 'The Show'...and now this? It's really distasteful. I've lost a lot of respect for him.


Such as expecting his teammates to put in a full and concentrated effort to be a great team?


The nerve of Kobe Bryant. How dare he enter the NBA and expect other professional athletes to have the will and drive to be called champion.

[catch24]

Such as expecting his teammates to put in a full and concentrated effort to be a great team?


The nerve of Kobe Bryant. How dare he enter the NBA and expect other professional athletes to have the will and drive to be called champion.

I was talking about Shaq. Sorry for not clarifying.

[Jacks3]

Sad that Godbe had to waste 8 years of his career sacrificing his game playing next to that oaf...not like he gets any credit for this rings, anyway.

[TheAesirsFinest]

Well, they are just professional athletes. Barkley couldn't have put it any better - they're not role models. As much as people love to prop their favorite players up as noble, passionate superhuman beings, they're still people, and people can be douchebags, assholes, any curse word really.

[BEAST Griffin]

The only goof was Shaq.


Kobe just wanted to be a great basketball player who was a part of a great team.

Kobe didn't go to LA trying to punk Shaq, he went to LA to practice hard, play harder, and win.

He was lucky to go to an already successful franchise that will more often than not have teams that can win it all.

[Jacks3]

^:roll: :roll: :roll:

[imdaman99]

theres a reason shaq is hated by all his ex teams. he alienated his way off all of them. magic fans, lakers fans, heat fans, and whoever the hell else he played for got no love. he usually bashes everyone and their mother on his way out. hes a baby with no class.

[Richesly]

He was lucky to go to an already successful franchise that will more often than not have teams that can win it all.


You're so lucky to edit your post, I was about to go off on you.

[imdaman99]

He was lucky to go to an already successful franchise that will more often than not have teams that can win it all.
b*tch move, man. why the edit? :lol

[brisbaneman]

That's why I support white players/white teams. You never hear this bullshit coming from white guys. Some of these black players are like wild beasts in their dealings.

[amfirst]

Obviously they didn't get along for many reasons. Shaq was the alpha male and demanded respect. Kobe a cocky kid wasn't going to give respect unless it's earned. Kobe didn't want to bow down, so Shaq made his rookie life miserable. They just hated each other from then on.

[kenny817]

That's why I support white players/white teams. You never hear this bullshit coming from white guys. Some of these black players are like wild beasts in their dealings.
:wtf:
:facepalm

[The_Yearning]

That's why I support white players/white teams. You never hear this bullshit coming from white guys. Some of these black players are like wild beasts in their dealings.

Who?

[brisbaneman]

Who?

02-03 dallas, utah jazz, pacers, bucks...

i don't see whats so racist given that most black guys who don't like dirk or the mavs dislike him because of his race.

[Dave3]

If it makes you feel better, the majority of NBA players have these kinds of issues. The more fame you get the more ego you get. Shaq's a pretty annoying/extreme case though.
But so was Jordan, Kareem, etc. You're rooting for the player, not the person. I know it sounds like a distinction without a difference, but I always have those 2 things separated when watching players. I know nothing about their lives, but I do see what they can do on a basketball court. It's also why I never comment on a guy's personal life etc.

[Lucifer]

Kobe was young, worked hard, and wanted to be the best in the game. Yet for years he got hated for it, and everyone sided with Shaq.

[kumquat]

That's why I support white players/white teams. You never hear this bullshit coming from white guys. Some of these black players are like wild beasts in their dealings.

Never heard of Rick Barry.....

http://www.clap.name/images/rickbarry.jpg

[senelcoolidge]

Trouble follows Kobe. He's just a guy that people dislike easily because of his personality. Two faced, not a nice guy, arrogant, and more. Who cares..I couldn't stand those 00's lakers. My favorite laker team was the 72 team.

[nycelt84]

That's why I support white players/white teams. You never hear this bullshit coming from white guys. Some of these black players are like wild beasts in their dealings.

It's easy to see you've never heard of Rick Barry, Jason Williams, and Jerry Lucas.

[lakers_forever]

...

[Yung D-Will]

The funny thing is Shaq doesn't care and he didn't care and for most other people that would be a major mark on his career but this guy has flat out dominated basiclly every year. 13 straight seasons of 20,10/ 9 straight seasons of 25,10 all basiclly on 55% shooting not to mention he was arguably the most dominant player ever at his peak. Say what you want about how he handled things off the court and in the locker room but Shaq... Is Shaq no matter how you spin.

[lakers_forever]

It's depressing to know that they could have won more titles.

But, on Kobe's defense, the undermining of his titles with Shaq (when people say Shaq could have won with anyone, that Kobe was just a sidekick, that his rings don't count) gives Kobe reasons on why he behaved that way, wanting to be the "man" of the team. Some people claim only his 2009 and 2010 rings count because he was the aplha male.

How can society criticizes Kobe when people only give "real" credict to the most important part of the team?

A super talented player like Pippen does not recieve the credict he deserves because he won with the G.O.A.T. I think that was the motivation of everyone wanting to be the man. I mean no one dared to say that Oscar ring with Kareem did not count or that big O was dispensable just because he wasn't the most dominant player on the team. This mentality is more recent, probably stronger after the Jordan era.

I think that after Pippen, only a player who knows he is not talented enough to be the man himself would "settle" for not being the man of his own team (Bosh is a great example).

Some people might bring Lebron going to the Heat as an argument against this theory. But I really think his ego* is so big that he never thought anyone would dare to not consider thim the man of the Heat with Wade and Bosh as his Robins. Same with Wade.


* All those superstars have giant egos. Kobe, Wade, Lebron and so on.

[MaxFly]

Hearing the stuff he pulled in that book, 'The Show'...and now this? It's really distasteful. I've lost a lot of respect for him.

After the "I got injured on company time and I'll get better on company time" fiasco in 2002, how much respect did you have left for Shaq? There was also the "Pay me!!!" preseason rant to Jerry Buss in 2003.

[SpecialQue]

After the "I got injured on company time and I'll get better on company time" fiasco in 2002, how much respect did you have left for Shaq? There was also the "Pay me!!!" preseason rant to Jerry Buss in 2003.

That "company time" thing always makes me throw up a little. You really can't pick sides in the Kobe/Shaq feud. They're both horrible people.

[guy]

theres a reason shaq is hated by all his ex teams. he alienated his way off all of them. magic fans, lakers fans, heat fans, and whoever the hell else he played for got no love. he usually bashes everyone and their mother on his way out. hes a baby with no class.

I've only heard of Kobe and Steve Nash having huge problems with him and hate for him. Penny had his problems with him but they still encouraged reuniting with each other on the Heat many years later. Who else is there? Its sounds like most people love the guy.

[AlphaWolf24]

I knew this all along.....Snack was a bitter hater...always has been always will be...

[glidedrxlr22]

Props to the Lakers' fans that can see both Shaq and Kobe were knuckleheads. To you other pu$$ies that just defend Kobe...you're living in dreamland. The truth hurts....clowns.

[MaxFly]

I've only heard of Kobe and Steve Nash having huge problems with him and hate for him. Penny had his problems with him but they still encouraged reuniting with each other on the Heat many years later. Who else is there? Its sounds like most people love the guy.

D. Wade and Penny have no real love for the guy and while Lebron is on better terms with him, they hardly talk about each other... it's like they never played together. He didn't burn bridges with the Celtics though... which is good. I think the problem with Shaq is that as lovable and as humorous as he is, he is often very jealous, petty and vindictive and players who spend any significant amount of time with him see that side.

Bryant has a huge ego and was and still is an introvert. Shaq has a huge ego and loves to be the center of attention. The problems really arose because of the attention Bryant was receiving and the poor job that both players and the organization did in squashing the beef before it got out of hand.

One of the interesting things that I read sometime back is a quote about how Shaq would say hateful things in team practices and meetings with Bryant just taking it and not saying anything in return. How is it that no one stepped in and really sat those two down and sorted things out. I know Phil Jackson felt that he had to cater to Shaq's ego, but really, you'd think someone in the organization would intervene and try to get that squashed immediately.

[mountainmamba]

The way I've always seen it:

Shaq was the big dog superstar when Kobe arrived, Shaq didnt like the new kid's hype and wanted to remain the top dog while Kobe was just trying to help the team. Then a few seasons later Kobe figured out "hey i'm probably better than this guy and could carry this team without him" and started to push towards a Shaq-less Lakers.

Unlike the BRI, this breakup is definitely a 50-50 split.

[AlphaWolf24]

Props to the Lakers' fans that can see both Shaq and Kobe were knuckleheads. To you other pu$$ies that just defend Kobe...you're living in dreamland. The truth hurts....clowns.


this Faqqit mad as hell...:roll: he even negged me.....:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

have fun with imaginary reputation Hater....

I hate green anyways.....any true Laker fan would agree....now get back in my pocket and glide on deez nutz....



Snack and you both make B!tchmoves son..





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[glidedrxlr22]

this Faqqit mad as hell...:roll: he even negged me.....:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

have fun with imaginary reputation Hater....

I hate green anyways.....any true Laker fan would agree....now get back in my pocket and glide on deez nutz....



Snack and you both make B!tchmoves son..





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Yeah I negged you. Nobody hiding from that here. Laker fans should be embarrassed to have you around.

[AlphaWolf24]

Yeah I negged you. Nobody hiding from that here. Laker fans should be embarrassed to have you around.




Oh No!...you gonna "negg" me again?......are all the laker fans gonna be so embarrassed on the interwebz after me saying Snack is Just a lazy , Bitter , undisiplined , snitchmade , cookiedough eatin , internet fraud havin , rent a cop actin , bad movie making Hater!!!

Don't negg me!!...all my Imaginary rep .....where will it go??.....(where does it go?).....






you know .....you should be the one that's embarrassed....You actually neg people because you don't like what they say......




Go take away imaginary magical rep....you little green bar Nazi.....I'll just keep bringin the Rain like always.











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[glidedrxlr22]

I don't care about having green bars or red bars. I've negged obnoxious Laker fans plenty. I give props to realistic Laker fans that aren't all up on Kobe's nuts. C'mon, first Phil and now Shaq shed the light on Kobe in books. Go make a video on youtube and ask everyone to just leave Kobe alone.

[AlphaWolf24]

I don't care about having green bars or red bars. I've negged obnoxious Laker fans plenty. I give props to realistic Laker fans that aren't all up on Kobe's nuts. C'mon, first Phil and now Shaq shed the light on Kobe in books. Go make a video on youtube and ask everyone to just leave Kobe alone.


Quit lying....you obvious care so much you need to feel obligated to take the time and "neg people":roll:


I already made plenty of videos....all you do is complain and "negg people"...

whooptity doo!.....





apply yourself son!





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[Allstar24]

What's so "sad" about this? Other than the fact that Shaq is just embarrassing himself to sell books. There's nothing sad about the Lakers. The last 2 championships they won were amazing and erased any bad memories from the early 2000s. I'll never forget the game 7 win vs Boston. And at the end of the day, Shaq is finished. Kobe's career is far from over and he already has 5 rings...nothing makes me more happy than that.

[DJ Leon Smith]

The last 2 championships they won were amazing and erased any bad memories from the early 2000s.

The bad memories of a three-peat? What the hell is wrong with Laker fans here?

[wakencdukest]

Shaq and Kobe are both to blame for the Lakers breakup. But, that 3 peat run was great. It's just too bad they weren't a little more mature, there might have been a five-peat. Whatever, they both served us well, time to move on.

[catch24]

What's so "sad" about this? Other than the fact that Shaq is just embarrassing himself to sell books. There's nothing sad about the Lakers. The last 2 championships they won were amazing and erased any bad memories from the early 2000s. I'll never forget the game 7 win vs Boston. And at the end of the day, Shaq is finished. Kobe's career is far from over and he already has 5 rings...nothing makes me more happy than that.

It's "sad" if you're a fan of both players. It's "sad" two grown men couldn't get along and put their egos aside. Am I the only one here who thinks they could have been the greatest 1/2 duo ever? Seeing that kinda potential go down the shitter is depressing.

[Nevaeh]

The bad memories of a three-peat? What the hell is wrong with Laker fans here?

The memories are bad because Kobe Stans know that it was Shaq who brought them a 3-peat as team leader. Can't change history on that one.

[RRR3]

It's "sad" if you're a fan of both players. It's "sad" two grown men couldn't get along and put their egos aside. Am I the only one here who thinks they could have been the greatest 1/2 duo ever? Seeing that kinda potential go down the shitter is depressing.
Nah, I agree. But Kareem/Magic, Duncan/Admiral, West/Baylor, West/Chamberlain, Dr. J/Moses, MJ/Pip were all great duos as well, so it'd be a debate for sure.

[KingBeasley08]

dudes writing an autobiography :confusedshrug:

whats he suppossed to say? me and kobe love each other and that whole crap never happened? :oldlol:

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

The bad memories of a three-peat? What the hell is wrong with Laker fans here?

I think he means the childish back and forth quarreling that went on in the organization both in the media and behind the scenes.

[monkeypox]

Just be a fan of the team more and it'll be ok.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Hearing all that drama in Shaq's TELL all book (or the excerpts that have been leaked).

While I personally think Shaquille has a legitimate gripe (and the right to say the stuff he has; i.e, Kobe being really anti-social and distant from the team, etc.), I cant help but think the guy sounds like a freaking cry baby. A manchild who couldn't stand another alpha male in the same locker room. Shaq is already pining for the spotlight just 5 months removed from his retirement party.

Reading that Kobe was bullied (and slapped by Shaq) as a rookie was kinda depressing. I grew up on that team, Shaq was that dude. So it's like..they're winning championships, even 3-peating, yet there's this commotion going on? The entire time they never even liked each other? Then you got Phil Jackson who catered to Shaq's ego 24/7 (something I never knew). What's amazing is how these guys made 4 trips to the Finals.

Man, just hearing this type of stuff really is a downer. I feel like a dbag just cheering for these goofs.
phil kinda touches on it in his book. like he felt obligated to side with shaq all them years.

[The Iron Fist]

He was lucky to go to an already successful franchise that will more often than not have teams that can win it all.


The last Laker champion before Kobe arrived in the mid 90s, was in the late 80s. It was an entirely different team. When the Lakers with Kobe won another championship, it had been over a decade since the previous title.

Going to an franchise that had past championship teams with completely different players, is irrelevant.

Kobe helped make those teams into 3 peat champions. Not George Mikan, or Jerry West, or Kareem, or Magic,


but Kobe Bryant and Shaq.

[DJ Leon Smith]

I think he means the childish back and forth quarreling that went on in the organization both in the media and behind the scenes.

That's like winning the lottery and considering it a bad memory because you have to spend $2 to open a new bank account to store it in.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

That's like winning the lottery and considering it a bad memory because you have to spend $2 to open a new bank account to store it in.

Not really

Spending the $2 aided in you getting your money.

Shaq and Kobe's feuding did nothing positive for either of them during their time together.

He's not saying that winning 3 straight titles wasn't a great memory. But when you look at it in it's totality, the bickering along the way as well as the stinging thought of what could have been had they been able to settle their disputes is a bad memory. Usually, the first thing people think of when you mention Kobe and Shaq is their feud. The success they had (although great) is unfortunately a lot of times an afterthought.

[Quickening]

How do people know the feuding didn't actually help their games... nothing better than competition within a team.

I would hate to think how lazy Shaq would have been off the court, if he didn't have the motivation of Kobe being in his face.

[DJ Leon Smith]

He's not saying that winning 3 straight titles wasn't a great memory.


The last 2 championships they won were amazing and erased any bad memories from the early 2000s.

Really.

I think the actual answer to this conundrum is here.


The memories are bad because Kobe Stans know that it was Shaq who brought them a 3-peat as team leader.

For a "Laker" fan to say they have bad memories about the early 2000s - the exact timeframe in which they won three straight championships - is insane. Especially when it's followed with how their last two championships somehow erased the early 2000s "bad memories".

I guess Bulls fans are lucky that getting to the ECF last season erased all those bad memories from the 1990s - you know, when Jordan was fighting with his teammates and GM and they had constant drama surrounding the team, then Jordan retiring and later coming back.

I would have hated to be a Bulls fan then, all those bad memories.

[Jacks3]

What's so "sad" about this? Other than the fact that Shaq is just embarrassing himself to sell books. There's nothing sad about the Lakers. The last 2 championships they won were amazing and erased any bad memories from the early 2000s. I'll never forget the game 7 win vs Boston. And at the end of the day, Shaq is finished. Kobe's career is far from over and he already has 5 rings...nothing makes me more happy than that.
This. Great post.

[King24]

People need to stop acting like they underachieved.

They win three straight championships and made another Finals over a five-year span. That's a incredible run.

[AlphaWolf24]

Hearing all that drama in Shaq's TELL all book (or the excerpts that have been leaked).

While I personally think Shaquille has a legitimate gripe (and the right to say the stuff he has; i.e, Kobe being really anti-social and distant from the team, etc.), I cant help but think the guy sounds like a freaking cry baby. A manchild who couldn't stand another alpha male in the same locker room. Shaq is already pining for the spotlight just 5 months removed from his retirement party.

Reading that Kobe was bullied (and slapped by Shaq) as a rookie was kinda depressing. I grew up on that team, Shaq was that dude. So it's like..they're winning championships, even 3-peating, yet there's this commotion going on? The entire time they never even liked each other? Then you got Phil Jackson who catered to Shaq's ego 24/7 (something I never knew). What's amazing is how these guys made 4 trips to the Finals.

Man, just hearing this type of stuff really is a downer. I feel like a dbag just cheering for these goofs.



the last 5 years with all the amazing moments....erased all the bad things Shaq brought during his time in our city...


I can look back now and hold that time in high regards...http://www.gifsoup.com/view6/2594398/shaq-and-kobe-glory-days-o.gif