Durant: Kobe would beat Lebron one on one

[9erEmpire]

Durant said....

Kobe 1a
Lebron 1b
Wade 1c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvWxE97FwAI&feature=player_embedded

[Chrono90]

Agree

[ZaaaaaH]

Dam this gonna hurt Every Kobe haters feelings. I smell hate coming saying Durant dosent know shiit about Basketball. :lol

[HylianNightmare]

well duh

[Kurosawa0]

LeBron vs. Kobe has always been boring to me in terms of one on one. LeBron really isn't a one on one player. Wade. Vs. Kobe on the other hand would be interesting.

[miamiandorlando]

wade vs kobe would be great

[Arroyo8]

LeBron vs. Kobe has always been boring to me in terms of one on one. LeBron really isn't a one on one player. Wade. Vs. Kobe on the other hand would be interesting.


Prime Kobe vs Prime Wade would be fun:bowdown:

[Droid101]

Prime Kobe vs Prime Wade would be fun:bowdown:
An obliteration? Peak Kobe is better than Peak Wade and it's really not all that close.

[Arroyo8]

An obliteration? Peak Kobe is better than Peak Wade and it's really not all that close.
would be more fun than current kobe and wade:confusedshrug:

[Vienceslav]

It

[Heavincent]

In other news, water is wet.

[HylianNightmare]

In other news, water is wet.
:roll:

[AirTupac]

I hate John Wall now. What a moron.




















Kidding.

[Droid101]

would be more fun than current kobe and wade:confusedshrug:
Well done. :applause:

[NBAller]

Kobe's the better 1v1 player. Lebron's the better team-ball player.

[pauk]

Lebron is not a one on one player? lol........

6'9"-260 with pointguard skills and ridicilous athleticism and at this point much better defense.... against a 6'6" old man.... kobe in his prime.. maybe.. but right now... no...

Try backing up your 3" inch shorter and skinnier brother/sister and you will see what i mean....

what Durant and what anybody says in favor of Kobe is out of RESPECT for Kobe.... even Lebron will say Kobe is the best in the league, always has..... everybody knows Lebron would destroy him... but its kindof disrespectful to stab such superstar veterans...

if u want a simulation of this matchup... then go and watch their games head to head from last season or the season before.... when they guard eachother and so on... Lebron does a much better job defending & scoring on Kobe than Kobe does defending & scoring on Lebron at this stage... so you know how that matchup would go...

[Heavincent]

Lebron is not a one on one player? lol........

6'9"-260 with pointguard skills and ridicilous athleticism and at this point much better defense.... against a 6'6" old man.... kobe in his prime.. maybe.. but right now... no...

Try backing up your 3" inch shorter and skinnier brother/sister and you will see what i mean....

what Durant and what anybody says in favor of Kobe is out of RESPECT for Kobe.... everybody knows Lebron would destroy him...

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[ZaaaaaH]

Lebron is not a one on one player? lol........

6'9"-260 with pointguard skills and ridicilous athleticism and at this point much better defense.... against a 6'6" old man.... kobe in his prime.. maybe.. but right now... no...

Try backing up your 3" inch shorter and skinnier brother/sister and you will see what i mean....

what Durant and what anybody says in favor of Kobe is out of RESPECT for Kobe.... even Lebron will say Kobe is the best in the league, always has..... everybody knows Lebron would destroy him... but its kindof disrespectful to stab such superstar veterans...

if u want a simulation of this matchup... then go and watch their games head to head from last season or the season before.... when they guard eachother and so on... Lebron does a much better job defending & scoring on Kobe than Kobe does defending & scoring on Lebron at this stage... so you know how that matchup would go...


Come On BRO ~ Have you ever played basketball?

LeBron with PG Skill set? LOL

I give you the benifit of the doubt that Durant did say out of "respect" Which is BS but do you really Fuccking Think Barnes will Pick Kobe and say He got his ass rape by the Mamba? Also Barnes dont give a shiiit if Kobe is in the same team he just knows for a FACT since he played against both players not like "Pauk" Who creates these imagination of LeBron just Owning everyone which we Witness it does not happen very often.

[DFish]

Kobe in his prime probably would beat Lebron 1v1.

But this is a team sport.

[B]

Lebron is not a one on one player? lol........

6'9"-260 with pointguard skills That will come in handy in a game of one on one

[pegasus]

Lebron is not a one on one player? lol........

6'9"-260 with pointguard skills

Who is he gonna play hot potato with when the game is on the line?:lol :lol :lol

Lebron is not even on a superstar level in terms of 1-on-1 skills. He doesn't have an arsenal of moves that he could count on.

The other aspects of his game makes him a superstar. but clearly he is not the best player, though.

[pauk]

[QUOTE=B

[ZaaaaaH]

yes? pointguard skills is not only passing... :facepalm

i am talking about A level ballhandling... which at 6'9"-260 is a horror...

i am talking about this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBJ3QtAbfyw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRRaJKvNbSo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vhWieEXuQ4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOTTVwcJXC0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XB3n8_O2u4U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAyKv5UznxU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwWoZifGaSQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zyn7UAqAjYM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITnwDoFWT9E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsVI7wJr3Dw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZaRSd5AXNg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0UsEPrvrTs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6h8HdxW7to&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVBpSeT1i9k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdyWqI3LSso
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtC_r4ruSrw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0e_-U-Zb-4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_-syxrmsbc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAvfG99TfhY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJFEjMuzb1A&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=52oy9_G83rY#t=180s


now imagine the current 33-34 year old Kobe infront of him...

and then watch Lebron guarding Derrick Rose and then imagine how a slow 6'6 33-34 year old will do against him...

Kobe in his absolute athletic prime, maybe yes... now? NO


Most of the Clips you put on has nothing to do with 1vs1. Again LeBron does not have PG handles. Crossovers only show little aspect of Handles. LeBron can not dribble around the court like Nash and CP3 can without Picking up the ball. Thats a TRUE PG handles.

No Doubt his Size is deceiving but we are talking about 1vs1.
One on One SKILLS are much more of a threat then Size or Athleticism and Kobe has most important Skill in One vs One a dam Jumpshot where he can pull from anywhere on the court, on top of that he has Great handles with The Best Footwork in the game right now. LeBron can fill up stats in Team games with Rebounds and Assist but One vs One he is not gonna have others around him to assist him.

LeBron guarded Rose real well but that was in a Team game at the same time Rose does not carry the Skill set like Kobe does. Also Rose is a bad example because LeBron counters Rose just like Dwight counters LeBron.

Just go pick up a basketball and go play you might understand better that way instead of thinking this is 2k12 where LeBron just Leaps from anywhere and Dunk over everyone.

[pauk]

:facepalm

Kobe will never be able to blow by him, even if he does, Lebron will catch up and smash the ball... for Kobe offensively it will only be tough jumpshots, pumpfakes, spins, fadeaways from range where he shoots 45% and against a defender like Lebron, even less... and with no teammates to screen Lebron out, much less... this is the kindof shots Kobe will only be getting... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7z67RNMkKo and he wont hit 100% of those....

meanwhile Lebron will be able to get much higher percentage buckets, ragdolling him offensively, either backing him up or blowing by him... you are crazy if you think Lebron will not win a 1 on 1 matchup against Kobe... there wont be any 4 teammates either behind Kobe ready to dive in and take a charge....

[Droid101]

:facepalm

Kobe will never be able blow by him, even if he does, Lebron will catch up and smash the ball... for Kobe offensively it will be only be tough jumpshots, pumpfakes, spins, fadeaways from range where he shoots 45% and against a defender like Lebron, even less... and with no teammates to screen Lebron out, much less... this is the kindof shots Kobe will only be getting... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7z67RNMkKo and he wont hit 100% of those....

meanwhile Lebron will be able to get much higher percentage buckets, ragdolling him offensively, either backing him up or blowing by him... you are crazy if you think Lebron will not win a 1 on 1 matchup against Kobe... there wont be any 4 teammates either behind Kobe ready to dive in and take a charge....
I'm beginning to think you don't really know anything about basketball.

No, wait, already there.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Lol @ LeBron having PG handles

[ZaaaaaH]

:facepalm

Kobe will never be able blow by him, even if he does, Lebron will catch up and smash the ball... for Kobe offensively it will be only be tough jumpshots, pumpfakes, spins, fadeaways from range where he shoots 45% and against a defender like Lebron, even less... and with no teammates to screen Lebron out, much less... meanwhile Lebron will be able to get much higher percentage buckets, ragdolling him offensively, either backing him up or blowing by him... you are crazy if you think Lebron will not win a 1 on 1 matchup against Kobe... there wont be any 4 teammates either behind Kobe ready to dive in and take a charge....


LOL take a Charge. HAHAHAHAHHAA Who takes a Charge in 1vs1 or even Streetball.

Again its One vs One there is no Catch up and Smashing the ball from the back.

In America we do not play 1vs1 Full Court. We play Half Court Bra ~

[Jasper]

Kobe tweet'ed : Durant can out bench press Lebron

That even's it all up

[pauk]

Lol @ LeBron having PG handles

:wtf:

ever heard of this somebody being drafted PG and being labeled as "The Next Magic Johnson"?
http://www.mynbadraft.com/2003
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/lebron-james

ever heard of this somebody who has started/played PG much of his career and each time he did it he DOMINATED it?

ever heard of this somebody being the only point-forward in the NBA and one of the best point-forwards in NBA history? what is a point-forward... oh let me see... a forward with pointguard skills/duties or a point guard with forward size...

lmfao......... only a kobetard/lebron hater would say something so stupid... lebron has no PG handles? have you ever even seen lebron play? really?



what is "PG handles" to you anyways? being able to dribble like a AND1 mixtape speedy gonzales harlem globetrotter? in that case not even Magic Johnson had PG handles............ how did he do so great then? PG handles is not about how ridiciliously cool & quick you can do the dribbles.... its about ballcontrol / ballsecurity... being able to efficiently keep the ball alive wherever you go without losing the handle or turning it over and so on...

[Droid101]

lmfao......... only a kobetard/lebron hater would say something so stupid... lebron has no PG handles? have you ever even seen lebron play? really?
Paging Phong and all his LeBron travelling/horrible footwork gifs...

[pauk]

:facepalm

to many lebron haters/kobetards....

seriously... only me who thinks Lebron would absolutely destroy Kobe 1 on 1? wow!! :oldlol:

[ZaaaaaH]

Paging Phong and all his LeBron travelling/horrible footwork gifs...


LOL

Pauk just craped in his pants :lol

[ZaaaaaH]

:facepalm

to many lebron haters/kobetards....

seriously... only me who thinks Lebron would absolutely destroy Kobe 1 on 1? wow!! :oldlol:


HAHAHAHA Bra u think LeBron can do anything, ANYTHING ! it dont matter what it is we ask u anything about LeBron can he do it ur answer always will be YES.

[pauk]

LOL

Pauk just craped in his pants :lol

not really... because i got even more of Kobes horrible footwork / traveling GIF's.... :confusedshrug:

[AirTupac]

not really... because i got even more of Kobes horrible footwork / traveling GIF's.... :confusedshrug:

This kid is mentally retarded. Kobe having horrible footwork? :oldlol:

[ZaaaaaH]

not really... because i got even more of Kobes horrible footwork / traveling GIF's.... :confusedshrug:

LOL

These are reasons why I know that u just dont like Kobe. Horrible Footwork with More Traveling GIFs then LeBron HAHAHA Come on Bra ~

[pauk]

HAHAHAHA Bra u think LeBron can do anything, ANYTHING ! it dont matter what it is we ask u anything about LeBron can he do it ur answer always will be YES.

I am seriously trying not to be biased... i am honest with you....

I just cant understand how you cant see any logic/sense in this?
A 33-34 year old Kobe with his PRP knee procedures trying to guard Lebron without one of his 4 teammates building a wall around Lebron/diving in for a charge or something... Lebron is faster/quicker/bigger/stronger, he will be ragdolling & blowing by & overpowering him................

and offensively Kobe trying to blow by him or something, once again without his 4 teammates screening lebron of.... Kobe will be getting mostly very tough jumpshots therefore...

What is so unrealistic about this? Seriously? Tell me?

Lebron will be able to guard todays Kobe better than Kobe will be able to guard Lebron...

Lebron will be able to get more of the higher percentage shots on Kobe than Kobe will be able to on Lebron....

I just cant understand how you dont see any logic / sense in this?

I gave you logical / realistic reasons........... you do nothing but sit there and insult me..... either dont post at all or post something CONSTRUCTIVE... prove these points wrong.... stop just going "bWhahahahahah, ur teh moronzzz!!!oonenne!!111!"

[HylianNightmare]

LOL take a Charge. HAHAHAHAHHAA Who takes a Charge in 1vs1 or even Streetball.
~


me:facepalm

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

:cry:

I don't give a f*ck what people labeled him when he was drafted. Jerry Stackhouse was labeled the next Michael Jordan. OJ Mayo was labeled as a 6'4'' Kobe Bryant.

For a guy his size he is comfortable with the ball in his hands. But compared to actual guards and especially PGs his handles are average at best.

[madmax]

:facepalm

to many lebron haters/kobetards....

seriously... only me who thinks Lebron would absolutely destroy Kobe 1 on 1? wow!! :oldlol:

no, you are not the only one...
Somebody sane in here (raging Bron haters notwithstanding) tell me how is scrawny guard like Kobe gonna slow down an athletic beast like Lebron 1-on-1 without any help defense?:lol I mean all Bron has to do is bully his way to the hoop and score on a dunk or layup...or am I missing something here?

[Deuce Bigalow]

someone post that gif of lebron bricking that shot over 5'10" barea

[ZaaaaaH]

I am seriously trying not to be biased... i am honest with you....

I just cant understand how you cant see any logic/sense in this?
A 33-34 year old Kobe with his PRP knee procedures trying to guard Lebron without one of his 4 teammates building a wall around Lebron/diving in for a charge or something... Lebron is faster/quicker/bigger/stronger, he will be ragdolling & blowing by & overpowering him................

and offensively Kobe trying to blow by him or something, once again without his 4 teammates screening lebron of.... Kobe will be getting mostly very tough jumpshots therefore...

What is so unrealistic about this? Seriously? Tell me?

Lebron will be able to guard todays Kobe better than Kobe will be able to guard Lebron...

Lebron will be able to get more of the higher percentage shots on Kobe than Kobe will be able to on Lebron....

I just cant understand how you dont see any logic / sense in this?

I gave you logical / realistic reasons........... you do nothing but sit there and insult me..... either dont post at all or post something CONSTRUCTIVE... prove these points wrong.... stop just going "bWhahahahahah, ur teh moronzzz!!!oonenne!!111!"


HAHAHAHA aite Puak first I never called you names I have been giving u some of my Opinion. Honestly I dont think you are trying to be biased but in reailty You clearly look down on MR Kobe Bryant.

All the things you are pointing out how LeBron is Great at this and that and he has a PG handles with "Point Forward" Bull Shiiit and how Big LeBron is down there but all in all Those things you are mentioning has more to do with Team Full Court game then a Half Court 1vs1 game.

This is where it clearly shows me u are not a ball player or never played 1vs1 with American rules. You DO NOT have to be REAL QUICK and Athletic to Score in 1vs1. 1vs1 You are mostly in Triple Treat or Top of the Key with the Whole Court Open to you and the Defender and No one else. Like I mention before this is why Jump Shot is the most important thing in 1vs1. With Kobes Handles and Foot work addition to his Shooting skills on a Triple Treat Do you know how hard is to guard someone like Kobe especially when they get Hot In 1vs1 with Winner Ball.

All the Things you mention will not happen in 1vs1.
Chase Down Blocks
LeBron running Full Speed and just Running over Kobe
LeBron having PG Handles to Dribble around everywhere
Rebounding
Etc Etc

Again I see ur ABC Logic Do not get me Wrong but you gotta think more advance then What you see. Also Im not saying Kobe will Kill LeBron 10/10 games, most likely 7/3 - 6/4 and some days It can be other way around LeBron beating Kobe but if we have to put our fortune on the line with 1 game to 21 Give me Kobe Bryant who will Drain that Clutch shot for the Win.

[Heavincent]

not really... because i got even more of Kobes horrible footwork / traveling GIF's.... :confusedshrug:

Kobe's footwork is vastly superior to Lebron's. You're delusional if you think otherwise.

[RRR3]

Are we talking Kobe right now? Because LeBron would rape old man Kobe 1-on-1. Kobe often guards the worst player on the opposing team these days, how do you think he'd do against LeBron? :roll:

That said, if they were both at their peaks, then it could really go either way IMO. You guys have to remember that neither of them is going to really be able to stop the other, so it really depends on who gets in a rhythm first.

[ZaaaaaH]

Are we talking Kobe right now? Because LeBron would rape old man Kobe 1-on-1. Kobe often guards the worst player on the opposing team these days, how do you think he'd do against LeBron? :roll:

That said, if they were both at their peaks, then it could really go either way IMO. You guys have to remember that neither of them is going to really be able to stop the other, so it really depends on who gets in a rhythm first.


Ur right about that but Big difference is LeBron waits for the Rhythm while Kobe Creates his Rhythm.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Why does everyone think just because LeBron is stronger and bigger than Kobe he will beat him? :oldlol:

His post game is whack so it's not like he can use his size and strength to his advantage anyway.

And in a half court setting, LeBron's speed won't mean much. He won't be able to run full speed and just bowl Kobe over all day.

Seriously. Do you guys play streetball?

[ZaaaaaH]

Why does everyone think just because LeBron is stronger and bigger than Kobe he will beat him? :oldlol:

His post game is whack so it's not like he can use his size and strength to his advantage anyway.

And in a half court setting, LeBron's speed won't mean much. He won't be able to run full speed and just bowl Kobe over all day.

Seriously. Do you guys play streetball?


That is what I was trying to tell Puak

[RRR3]

Why does everyone think just because LeBron is stronger and bigger than Kobe he will beat him? :oldlol:

His post game is whack so it's not like he can use his size and strength to his advantage anyway.

And in a half court setting, LeBron's speed won't mean much. He won't be able to run full speed and just bowl Kobe over all day.

Seriously. Do you guys play streetball?

Current LeBron, despite what you may hear, is also a good shooter. He doesn't need to just blow by Kobe. And if this is streetball, that means they can play rough, and considering LeBron's huge advantage in strength, that would benefit him. We're talking right now I assume, as I said if this was peak vs. peak either could win the game. Two players at this high a level are going to have a great matchup. Right now, though, LeBron will score at will on old man Kobe. Also, LeBron would dominate the boards.

[madmax]

Why does everyone think just because LeBron is stronger and bigger than Kobe he will beat him? :oldlol:

His post game is whack so it's not like he can use his size and strength to his advantage anyway.

And in a half court setting, LeBron's speed won't mean much. He won't be able to run full speed and just bowl Kobe over all day.

Seriously. Do you guys play streetball?

I'm still waiting to hear how a scrawny 6'5 guard is gonna stop 6'8 super athletic and fast forward from bullying his way to the basket...:sleeping :violin:

[Andrei89]

Lebron is a better player than Kobe. Period.


However, Kobe would beat Lebron one on one .

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Current LeBron, despite what you may hear, is also a good shooter. He doesn't need to just blow by Kobe. And if this is streetball, that means they can play rough, and considering LeBron's huge advantage in strength, that would benefit him. We're talking right now I assume, as I said if this was peak vs. peak either could win the game. Two players at this high a level are going to have a great matchup. Right now, though, LeBron will score at will on old man Kobe. Also, LeBron would dominate the boards.

That would be the x-factor. Yes LeBron is a much improved shooter, but he would still be shooting contested jumpers at that. In streetball or in an official game, trying to shoot faceup jumpers over your man all day will not give you a good chance to win. His biggest strength is still going to the basket.

And rebounds mean nothing in a game of one on one. Especially if LeBron will be shooting jumpers on Kobe.


I'm still waiting to hear how a scrawny 6'5 guard is gonna stop 6'8 super athletic and fast forward from bullying his way to the basket...:sleeping :violin:

What's he gonna do? Pick him up and throw him? Just because he's stronger doesn't mean he's gonna just run Kobe over.

Without speed or a post game, LeBron's strength means little to nothing.

[Droid101]

Also, LeBron would dominate the boards.
:facepalm

Another moron who has never played a 1 on 1 game in his life.

The defensive player gets the rebound about 99% of the time in 1 on 1 games (especially if they're just jumpshooting on each other). If the offensive player gets the offensive board, it usually means he bricked the shot so bad that it bounced right back to him.

[RRR3]

That would be the x-factor. Yes LeBron is a much improved shooter, but he would still be shooting contested jumpers at that. In streetball or in an official game, trying to shoot faceup jumpers over your man all day will not give you a good chance to win. His biggest strength is still going to the basket.

And rebounds mean nothing in a game of one on one. Especially if LeBron will be shooting jumpers on Kobe.



What's he gonna do? Pick him up and throw him? Just because he's stronger doesn't mean he's gonna just run Kobe over.

Without speed or a post game, LeBron's strength means little to nothing.

He didn't ask how LeBron would score on Kobe, he asked how Kobe would stop LeBron. Answer the question.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

He didn't ask how LeBron would score on Kobe, he asked how Kobe would stop LeBron. Answer the question.

Stop what? :confusedshrug: His jump shots? Just put a hand in his face. Simple as that.

[RRR3]

Stop what? :confusedshrug: His jump shots? Just put a hand in his face. Simple as that.
:facepalm Stop LeBron from driving past him or just blowing by him. Or do you still think Kobe is a good defender? :rolleyes: Also, you may not have noticed, but when LeBron gets in a rhythm (not saying he would but if he did) he's gonna hit jumpshots no matter how well you guard them.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

:facepalm Stop LeBron from driving past him or just blowing by him. Or do you still think Kobe is a good defender? :rolleyes:

Kobe often times doesn't respect his man on defense. But in a game of 1 on 1 where it's against one of the best players in the league and he's forced to defend him he will.

In 1 on 1 blowing by people is harder. No screens, no plays. Hell, LeBron couldn't even blow past guys like Omer Asik and Brendan Haywood last season. You think he's gonna go full speed the entire time?


Also, you may not have noticed, but when LeBron gets in a rhythm (not saying he would but if he did) he's gonna hit jumpshots no matter how well you guard them.

That's true for anyone. Even more so for Kobe. A hot Kobe Bryant is arguably the most unstoppable scorer ever.

[ZaaaaaH]

:facepalm Stop LeBron from driving past him or just blowing by him. Or do you still think Kobe is a good defender? :rolleyes: Also, you may not have noticed, but when LeBron gets in a rhythm (not saying he would but if he did) he's gonna hit jumpshots no matter how well you guard them.

In that case Well why dont we let JR play LeBron and have him get in Rhythm, He is gonna hit jump shots no matter how well you guard him:facepalm
That goes both ways and If Kobe get hots its over he gonna shoot from half court.

Again This is One vs One You do not run at full speed unless you decide to back up to the half court line and decide to just straight up Run over the guy or jump over him and ya are acting like LeBron is Hulk and Kobe is Stewy. :facepalm Kobe is a strong mofo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ver7OaentQk
LeBron sure ran all over Kobe with his "PG Handles".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7e4a9EFDjg&feature=related
This is what you gonna see most of the time in 1vs1 Post and Triple Treat which Kobe is Superior to LeBron

We talking about Basketball, You dont run over people.

[winwin]

kobe will rape him mentally

[RRR3]

Again you're posting links of prime Kobe. Kobe is a crappy defender these days, holy shit :facepalm. There is no way in hell right now in 2011, that Kobe beats LeBron. Kobe has declined, accept it. :facepalm

[ZaaaaaH]

Again you're posting links of prime Kobe. Kobe is a crappy defender these days, holy shit :facepalm. There is no way in hell right now in 2011, that Kobe beats LeBron. Kobe has declined, accept it. :facepalm


I can agree he Declined huge last year but as of now Kobe has gotten healthier which means he has not Declined as much as u think from those times especially his offensive Arsenal.

Im not showing u Just Kobe look how sloppy LeBrons handle were and Puak here talking about PG Handles. LOL
Also if LeBron was so strong why didnt he push Kobe out to the 3pt line? Give me some excuses.

Why do you hate Kobe?

[DMAVS41]

there is absolutely no way current kobe is stopping lebron.....and lebron has a very good chance to defend kobe

kobe in his prime would destroy lebron 1 on 1 though....kobe is one of the best (if not the best) 1 on 1 players in NBA history.

[pauk]

this kindof reminds of Jordan in 2000... there were better players than him in the league... all players would still say Jordan was the best and would beat anybody and so on and so on.... because.. he is Jordan...

and when you tell them... its not about the past, its about RIGHT NOW... who is the best right now, who is the most talented-dominant and so on player RIGHT NOW.... they just shake their head and then go: "Come on man, Its Jordan... he won 6 rings, 5 mvps.."

Players aint that stupid actually.... they know who is the best right now.... they are more like jelous/butthurt about saying it like it is considering that "best player right now" is their rival, is better than them and is about their age..... they would rather commend a veteran and act like nobody around their age is better than them.... :rolleyes:

[RRR3]

I can agree he Declined huge last year but as of now Kobe has gotten healthier which means he has not Declined as much as u think from those times especially his offensive Arsenal.

Why do you hate Kobe?
I don't hate Kobe at all, I'm just realistic about him. I hate when people act as if he's a flawless basketball god who is the best at every single facet of basketball. :facepalm


Here's some of Kobe's "All-Defense" on display from the last few years:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzSsgkE5yI4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylPC8ojduiA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edOQzMAIBXw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_2CfVKsbUw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFfrFmBRgCw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nJKNU4Su9A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr45yQDCskg

[RRR3]

there is absolutely no way current kobe is stopping lebron.....and lebron has a very good chance to defend kobe

kobe in his prime would destroy lebron 1 on 1 though....kobe is one of the best (if not the best) 1 on 1 players in NBA history.
Destroy? Two players at that high a level will have a close game either way. It's not like LeBron isn't an excellent one-on-one player either (not nearly as skilled as Kobe, sure, but his size, speed, strength, and explosiveness will help). Also, MJ would beat Kobe one-on-one, and peak T-Mac and prime AI would certainly give him trouble to say the least.

[G-Funk]

Lebron is not a one on one player? lol........

6'9"-260 with pointguard skills


give me the one with Michael Jordan Skills!

[G-Funk]

there is absolutely no way current kobe is stopping lebron.....and lebron has a very good chance to defend kobe

kobe in his prime would destroy lebron 1 on 1 though....kobe is one of the best (if not the best) 1 on 1 players in NBA history.
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: I like this brother better!

[ZaaaaaH]

I don't hate Kobe at all, I'm just realistic about him. I hate when people act as if he's a flawless basketball god who is the best at every single facet of basketball. :facepalm


Here's some of Kobe's "All-Defense" on display from the last few years:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzSsgkE5yI4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylPC8ojduiA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edOQzMAIBXw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_2CfVKsbUw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFfrFmBRgCw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nJKNU4Su9A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr45yQDCskg

Maybe you didnt catch my post. I clearly been saying its close at the same time I also said Kobe had the Biggest Declined last year but will Bounce back this year on a whole another level since he fix his knee which is huge for a Basketball player.

Yea he is Flawless but not Perfect.

[RRR3]

Maybe you didnt catch my post. I clearly been saying its close at the same time I also said Kobe had the Biggest Declined last year but will Bounce back this year on a whole another level since he fix his knee which is huge for a Basketball player.
Kobe is, what, 34? He's not going to be a top 5 player in the NBA ever again. Sorry. "Flawless"? LOLOLOLOL. He has plenty of flaws:
*Inconsistent (at times downright bad) shot selection
*inconsistent effort on D
*(Currently) unable to play good defense on younger more athletic players
*Doesn't always play well with his teammates
*"Hero complex" in close games (freezes out teammates, takes insane shots)

[Yao Ming's Foot]

You guys really think they haven't played before? And Kobe hasn't stomped LeBron over and over again in front of everyone? There is a reason every NBA player picks Kobe over Lebron especially one on one.

[Vertical-24]

Kobe is the superior one-on-one player and LeBron is the superior team-player. Kobe's offensive skill-set is more extensive and his one-on-one technique one of the best in NBA History. Kobe is a man-to-man player and could destroy anyone in that case-scneario. That's just what he does.

What LeBron does have going for him is his tremendous body. On a defensive end, it will carry him as usual and offensively, he will just throw his weight around to score points. Kobe wouldn't have an easy time but Kobe would prevail.

The Kobe v. LeBron thing is so tired now though....they should really do a series of 1-on-1's to just end it all lol But that wouldn't be enough..

[RRR3]

You guys really think they haven't played before? And Kobe hasn't stomped LeBron over and over again in front of everyone? There is a reason every NBA player picks Kobe over Lebron especially one on one.

Ever NBA player, eh? I didn't know you knew all of them. Cool story man. Also, regardless of whether or not Prime Kobe would beat LeBron, old man Kobe is going to lose to LBJ in 2011. Kobe got lit up by Peja Stojakovic FFS who is way slower than LeBron.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

You guys really think they haven't played before? And Kobe hasn't stomped LeBron over and over again in front of everyone? There is a reason every NBA player picks Kobe over Lebron especially one on one.

No NBA players that actually compete with these guys are stupid remember?

Of course the keyboard warriors with archived game streams and synergy sports know better.

[RRR3]

Kobe is the superior one-on-one player and LeBron is the superior team-player. Kobe's offensive skill-set is more extensive and his one-on-one technique one of the best in NBA History. Kobe is a man-to-man player and could destroy anyone in that case-scneario. That's just what he does.

What LeBron does have going for him is his tremendous body. On a defensive end, it will carry him as usual and offensively, he will just throw his weight around to score points. Kobe wouldn't have an easy time but Kobe would prevail.

The Kobe v. LeBron thing is so tired now though....they should really do a series of 1-on-1's to just end it all lol But that wouldn't be enough..
Honestly, someone like Monta Ellis might win that and shock a bunch of fans.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Ever NBA player, eh? I didn't know you knew all of them. Cool story man. Also, regardless of whether or not Prime Kobe would beat LeBron, old man Kobe is going to lose to LBJ in 2011. Kobe got lit up by Peja Stojakovic FFS who is way slower than LeBron.

Not all of them. Just everyone that was on the Olympics that watched Kobe humiliate LeBron every day 1v1. And LeBron got lit up by Shawn Marion :confusedshrug: . The inconvenient truth for the stat guys who worship LeBron is that he not Kobe had the striking drop in advanced stat measures from the season before. Kobe's actually went up.

[Doranku]

there is absolutely no way current kobe is stopping lebron.....and lebron has a very good chance to defend kobe

kobe in his prime would destroy lebron 1 on 1 though....kobe is one of the best (if not the best) 1 on 1 players in NBA history.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Dirk winning a championship and LeBron choking hardcore in the finals has really made you see the light. :applause:

[ZaaaaaH]

Kobe is, what, 34? He's not going to be a top 5 player in the NBA ever again. Sorry. "Flawless"? LOLOLOLOL. He has plenty of flaws:
*Inconsistent (at times downright bad) shot selection
*inconsistent effort on D
*(Currently) unable to play good defense on younger more athletic players
*Doesn't always play well with his teammates
*"Hero complex" in close games (freezes out teammates, takes insane shots)

No Doubt Kobe has Flaws no one is Perfect. I can name more Flaws about LeBrons game then Kobes but thats a different issue.

Kobe not Top 5 Player LOL. Stat Geeks/ Kobe Haters will argue that 4 life But in reality in Ballers eyes Kobe is EASILY TOP 5 Player.

What makes you know more about ball then KD,Barnes, and Ariza? And those are just 3 ppl out of 4 from the Clip we saw and there is Plenty more Youtube Clips that comes out from NBA Coaches and Players saying Kobe is 1a and 1b with LeBron even Now when Kobe past his Prime. I just want to know How do you know more then Kevin Durant who has been playing regularly with LeBron this summer?

[Applause]

id tap that


:applause:

[L8kersfan222]

Can't pass to Wade in a 1-on-1 game, LBJ loses 7-0 skunk

[Yao Ming's Foot]

LeBron didn't get lit up by Shawn Marion, Shawn Marion averaged 13.7 points in 35.8 minutes in the Finals (GOAT!!!! :bowdown: :bowdown:). LeBron's stats dropped because he is playing with Wade and Bosh, and to use a stat, actually had a lower usage percentage than Wade did (hmmm....). Guess who led the league in usage percentage? Kobe Bryant 35.1 percent. The next closest was Rose at 32.2 percent.

Kobe = improved PER, improved WS, improved WS/48, decreased playoff PER, decreased playoff WS, decreased playoff WS/48


LeBron= decreased PER, decreased WS, decreased WS/48, decreased playoff PER, improved playoff WS, decreased playoff WS/48

:confusedshrug:

[ZaaaaaH]

Kobe isn't a top 5 player in the NBA right now :facepalm

LBJ
D12
Wade
Dirk
CP3
Durant

Are all better overall players right now, and you could argue others. If we're talking overall right now (not one-on-one or just scoring), Kobe isn't a top 5 player.

Like I said Only People who cares about Stats and who Hates Kobe will Think that Way.

REAL Baller like NBA Players and Coaches will not say Kobe is out of TOP 5 because there is more then just STATS in Basketball. If we Solely Judge players by Stats Fuccccking Kevin Love is TOP 10 player. You judge players by IMPACT and Effectiveness.

Again LeBron ball huggers will Hold onto stat sheet since it Benefits player like LeBron and keep on arguing with no Knowledge of the game when He does not bring the W when he is the BEST PLAYER in the World with STACK TEAM. How do you fail and still have excuses to protect their Little Golden Boy LeBron and Blaming Wade for the Lost. SHAME On you LeBron fans.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

WS/48, eh? :roll: First off that's a dumb stat, and you really don't want to use it because according to WS/48 LBJ>Kobe since 2004-05. And again, LeBron was in a new system and was sharing the ball with a player near his level (something he's never done before)

Its not about the merit of WS/48 as a stat its about the drop of production of LeBron and the increase by Kobe yet Kobe is the one is suddenly washed up. :oldlol:

[Lebron23]

Race to 21

LeBron annihilates the current Kobe.

[ZaaaaaH]

Race to 21

LeBron annihilates the current Kobe.


Oh Shiiit LeBron James Himself?

[Lebron23]

Oh Shiiit LeBron James Himself?

A 39 yrs.old Jason Kidd played some quality defense against Kobe in the playoffs. I am sure LeBron is going to show his newly acquired post skills against Kobe in a 1 on 1 game.

[ZaaaaaH]

A 39 yrs.old Jason Kidd played some quality defense againts Kobe in the playoffs.


He did No doubt but He Stomped you As well and Jason Terry Torched ur asss.:D

[Heavincent]

Kobe is, what, 34? He's not going to be a top 5 player in the NBA ever again.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

It's crazy how much you underrate Kobe. You've said a lot of crazy dumb shit, but that's definitely one of the dumbest things you have ever said.

"Kobe will never win a ring without Shaq"

"Kobe definitely won't repeat in 2010. He's old and declining"

"Kobe will never become a top 10 player all-time. He only got those rings because he played with Shaq"

:oldlol:

[The Iron Fist]

Kobe's the better 1v1 player. Lebron's the better team-ball player.


Hes the better team player?

Is that because he has two all star teammates at his side, all of them in their primes,

and they can't win even 3 finals games?


:confusedshrug:

[Lebron23]

A younger and athletic Kobe might beat LeBron because he was still a very good defender. Current LeBron would beat Kobe.

[Droid101]

A younger and athletic Kobe might beat LeBron because he was still a very good defender. Current LeBron would beat Kobe.
User name: Lebron23

[The_Yearning]

John Wall is an idiot.

[macpierce]

kobe in his prime would rape lebron easily, but today? current lebron would beat current kobe

[Dave3]

kobe in his prime would rape lebron easily, but today? current lebron would beat current kobe
In a one on one, a slasher is way more likely to beat a shooter. In one on one, slashing to the basket is a bucket 100% of the time (assuming NBA talent). If these guys played one on one it would be a layup clinic.

Jumpshots happen in the NBA because a defense of 5 players collapses the center of the court and results in the need to spread the floor with perimeter shooting. Current Kobe has very little chance to beat LeBron and both of them in their primes it would still be LeBron likely to win just because he's the bigger position.

One on one shows very little of the needed talent of a 5 on 5 game though. I've beaten many friends in a 1 on 1 that were much better than me 5 on 5 because they knew how to finish in traffic, but I knew how to finish one on one much better. At the end of the day, they were better basketball players, but because I was slightly taller/quicker I won.

[DMAVS41]

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Dirk winning a championship and LeBron choking hardcore in the finals has really made you see the light. :applause:

not really. lebron just isn't a great 1 on 1 player. kobe is one of the best ever. kobe wins that game easily.

i would have said the same thing a year ago.

still think Lebron is the superior player now and has been for at least the last 3 years. 1 on 1 is completely different animal.

[Deuce Bigalow]

In a one on one, a slasher is way more likely to beat a shooter. In one on one, slashing to the basket is a bucket 100% of the time (assuming NBA talent). If these guys played one on one it would be a layup clinic.

Jumpshots happen in the NBA because a defense of 5 players collapses the center of the court and results in the need to spread the floor with perimeter shooting. Current Kobe has very little chance to beat LeBron and both of them in their primes it would still be LeBron likely to win just because he's the bigger position.

One on one shows very little of the needed talent of a 5 on 5 game though. I've beaten many friends in a 1 on 1 that were much better than me 5 on 5 because they knew how to finish in traffic, but I knew how to finish one on one much better. At the end of the day, they were better basketball players, but because I was slightly taller/quicker I won.

Lebron would not beat prime Kobe
and they are both good defenders so it would not be a layup clinic

[Dave3]

Lebron would not beat prime Kobe
and they are both good defenders so it would not be a layup clinic
Yes it would. These are NBA players. These guys score about 50% of the time going against 5 NBA level defenders. Regardless of how good they are on defense, it's easily going to be a layup clinic. Watch any video of LeBron from 2005-2007. Back when he had a very poor jumpshot and was still getting to the rim everytime he wanted to. Defenders knew he wasn't going to shoot and were backed off of him, and he'd still drive and get off a shot against collapsing defense. There is no single NBA player than can defend an all star in their prime unless it's like Dwight vs. CP3 where one player has a huge height advantage and therefore be able to block or change a shot or two of the short guy. In terms of LeBron vs. Kobe, I don't see them making more than 1 or 2 stops on the other person, and LeBron is more likely to bother the layup enough because he's longer and more athletic. Otherwise, it's not much of an entertaining game where every shot goes in.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Yes it would. These are NBA players. These guys score about 50% of the time going against 5 NBA level defenders. Regardless of how good they are on defense, it's easily going to be a layup clinic. Watch any video of LeBron from 2005-2007. Back when he had a very poor jumpshot and was still getting to the rim everytime he wanted to. Defenders knew he wasn't going to shoot and were backed off of him, and he'd still drive and get off a shot against collapsing defense. There is no single NBA player than can defend and all star in their prime unless it's like Dwight vs. CP3 where one player has a huge height advantage and therefore be able to block or change a shot or two of the short guy. In terms of LeBron vs. Kobe, I don't see them making more than 1 or 2 stops on the other person.

The 2011 Finals sure showed that huh...

[yellowmelo]

btw
current Kobe>. Brick
Prime Kobe>>>>>Brick

[Dave3]

The 2011 Finals sure showed that huh...
Great way to show your intelligence. Make a reference to something that does not at all apply thinking it helps your argument. I said watch a game from 2005-2007. Now I recommend that even more if you aren't aware of the huge quickness/speed difference between that LeBron and 2011 LeBron.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Great way to show your intelligence. Make a reference to something that does not at all apply thinking it helps your argument. I said watch a game from 2005-2007. Now I recommend that even more if you aren't aware of the huge quickness/speed difference between that LeBron and 2011 LeBron.

2007 Finals

[EnoughSaid]

Wow is Durant really putting Kobe at the top? WTFFF?! I hope he's talking about one-on-one.

[Dave3]

2007 Finals
And a series of struggling means what? Again, you need to do some rewatching because if you think he was ever defended by a single defender, you're very mistaken. Not only did you have Bruce Bowen holding/grabbing him without foul calls, but you had the entire defense shift against him to prevent him from going anywhere. And even when he did get anywhere, there was Duncan to meet him as well.

Again, your logic doesn't seem to follow very well. James was an offensive player especially weak to the collapsing effect of team defenses when he was primarily a slasher. That disadvantage actually reversed with teams with poorer team defense. How much more do you think it's going to be in his favour when there's one single defender?

[itsGameTime]

And a series of struggling means what? Again, you need to do some rewatching because if you think he was ever defended by a single defender, you're very mistaken. Not only did you have Bruce Bowen holding/grabbing him without foul calls, but you had the entire defense shift against him to prevent him from going anywhere. And even when he did get anywhere, there was Duncan to meet him as well.

Again, your logic doesn't seem to follow very well. James was an offensive player especially weak to the collapsing effect of team defenses when he was primarily a slasher. That disadvantage actually reversed with teams with poorer team defense. How much more do you think it's going to be in his favour when there's one single defender?

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/0%20Players/Lebron%20James/--vs--6.gif

[Dave3]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/0%20Players/Lebron%20James/--vs--6.gif
Once again he's talking about their primes. Why would a prime LeBron ever post up one on one when he has all the quickness to go straight to the rim, and when did he ever post up before 2008 except to shoot fadeaways (again, not things you use in a one on one).

Am I denying he had major holes in his game? No. I'm saying they'll never be exposed if he's not facing a team of 5 people. Why would he purposely go to a weakness of his offensively when his strengths work 99% of the time?

[Deuce Bigalow]

And a series of struggling means what? Again, you need to do some rewatching because if you think he was ever defended by a single defender, you're very mistaken. Not only did you have Bruce Bowen holding/grabbing him without foul calls, but you had the entire defense shift against him to prevent him from going anywhere. And even when he did get anywhere, there was Duncan to meet him as well.

Again, your logic doesn't seem to follow very well. James was an offensive player especially weak to the collapsing effect of team defenses when he was primarily a slasher. That disadvantage actually reversed with teams with poorer team defense. How much more do you think it's going to be in his favour when there's one single defender?

I dont care, Prime Kobe would feast on Lebron
Go look at some highlights of 2005-2007 Kobe

[Dave3]

I dont care, Prime Kobe would feast on Lebron
Go look at some highlights of 2005-2007 Kobe
Good reply. "I don't care if you showed something I said to be wrong, then (insert non sequiter here)."

If you don't care what he can do offensively then why bring up series in which he struggled offensively? Seems inconsistent.

If you paid attention you'd know I already said that neither of them would be able to stop the other, which already implies that Kobe would also be unstoppable offensively. Why do I need to keep repeating myself?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Good reply. "I don't care if you showed something I said to be wrong, then (insert non sequiter here)."

If you don't care what he can do offensively then why bring up series in which he struggled offensively? Seems inconsistent.

If you paid attention you'd know I already said that neither of them would be able to stop the other, which already implies that Kobe would also be unstoppable offensively. Why do I need to keep repeating myself?

You said that lebron would win :oldlol:

[Dave3]

You said that lebron would win :oldlol:
Which I already explained. Do you insist on going in circles? I explicitly explained that both of them would score with ease, but LeBron's length/athleticism is more likely to bother Kobe when he's finishing than Kobe is likely to bother LeBron, resulting in maybe 1 or 2 extra misses, which would obviously give LeBron a victory in a one on one.

And it's been pretty well proven that LeBron is a better finisher. Now, considering both of them will be getting to the rim at will, the better finisher is the more likely winner. Is it clear yet or do you wish to ask yet another question I've answered?

[knightfall88]

Which I already explained. Do you insist on going in circles? I explicitly explained that both of them would score with ease, but LeBron's length/athleticism is more likely to bother Kobe when he's finishing than Kobe is likely to bother LeBron, resulting in maybe 1 or 2 extra misses, which would obviously give LeBron a victory in a one on one.

And it's been pretty well proven that LeBron is a better finisher. Now, considering both of them will be getting to the rim at will, the better finisher is the more likely winner. Is it clear yet or do you wish to ask yet another question I've answered?
whats silly is that you infer that Kobe would not be able to defend Lebron getting to rim when that is the ONLY thing that Kobe needs to defend. One move that is it, make lebron pick up his dribble and you saved yourself the point. Have ever played one on one before?

[Dave3]

whats silly is that you infer that Kobe would not be able to defend Lebron getting to rim when that is the ONLY thing that Kobe needs to defend. One move that is it, make lebron pick up his dribble and you saved yourself the point. Have ever played one on one before?
Again, this is something already adressed. This one move that LeBron had, the only move that he had, was able to get him 31 ppg while making about half his shots. Entire teams of 5 NBA players had trouble stopping him from getting to the rim. Just because Kobe has only one move to defend, doesn't mean he can defend it.

Not only are these guys NBA level talent, they're superstar level scorers. There is no perimeter defender ever that can guard an NBA all star one on one. If it was a one on one, players like Jordan/Kobe/LeBron would score 99% of the time even if someone like Pippen is guarding them. The fact that you think your skill level in a one on one applies to this kind of scenario is laughable. Collapsing team defenses with 7 footers struggled to contain these guys from slashing and finishing at the rim. You really think a single defender can do much?

I've played plenty of one on one. You win by slashing, not shooting jumpers. You make about 99% of your layups if you're as good as either of these guys. At best you're making 70-80% of lightly contested jumpshots, but neither of them will be guarding the jumpshot. Kobe's advantage of shooting is nullified by the fact that he can't shoot open jumpers as accurately as he can finish one on one, so both of them will actually be defending only one move, and that's the drive.

[itsGameTime]

whats silly is that you infer that Kobe would not be able to defend Lebron getting to rim when that is the ONLY thing that Kobe needs to defend. One move that is it, make lebron pick up his dribble and you saved yourself the point. Have ever played one on one before?

This.

What's also funny is that he thinks prime Lebron could drive by anyone. :roll:

Prime Lebron couldn't get anywhere without a pick and roll, let alone against a prime Kobe defense. And last I check, there's no pick and rolls in 1on1.

[knightfall88]

Again, this is something already adressed. This one move that LeBron had, the only move that he had, was able to get him 31 ppg while making about half his shots. Entire teams of 5 NBA players had trouble stopping him from getting to the rim. Just because Kobe has only one move to defend, doesn't mean he can defend it.

Not only are these guys NBA level talent, they're superstar level scorers. There is no perimeter defender ever that can guard an NBA all star one on one. If it was a one on one, players like Jordan/Kobe/LeBron would score 99% of the time even if someone like Pippen is guarding them. The fact that you think your skill level in a one on one applies to this kind of scenario is laughable. Collapsing team defenses with 7 footers struggled to contain these guys from slashing and finishing at the rim. You really think a single defender can do much?

I've played plenty of one on one. You win by slashing, not shooting jumpers. You make about 99% of your layups if you're as good as either of these guys. At best you're making 70-80% of lightly contested jumpshots, but neither of them will be guarding the jumpshot. Kobe's advantage of shooting is nullified by the fact that he can't shoot open jumpers as accurately as he can finish one on one, so both of them will actually be defending only one move, and that's the drive.

It's not hard stopping someone from driving to the rim when you don't have to worry about him offloading to a shooter.

It is harder to get buckets at the rim in the playoffs when defenders are not worried about picking up excessive fouls, being on the poster or getting injured. (One of the reasons Lebron is awful in the playoffs.) Same applies on a 1 on 1 game with limited possessions, the players are going to put their bodies on the line like they do in the playoffs.

You have Durant, Barnes and Ariza come out and say flat out that Kobe will beat him. You also have Kobe saying in an interview that he beat Lebron in his sleep. You have debates on ESPN on whether 48 year old Jordan could beat Lebron in 1 on 1 (LOL). Yet you think you know better and say Kobe will lose in a landslide.

[Dave3]

This.

What's also funny is that he thinks prime Lebron could drive by anyone. :roll:

Prime Lebron couldn't get anywhere without a pick and roll, let alone against a prime Kobe defense. And last I check, there's no pick and rolls in 1on1.
1. I wasn't even talking about prime LeBron, I was talking about him from 2005-2007.

2. If you think that version of LeBron couldn't get past someone, you really shouldn't comment on basketball you haven't watched. That was the stage of his career where he had a very weak jumper and was still getting to the rim at will in one on ones. How you can make that statement is just :facepalm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOu7FALUcNA

Damn, that guy just can't get to the rim right?:rolleyes:

Watch basketball before you discuss it.

[Dave3]

It's not hard stopping someone from driving to the rim when you don't have to worry about him offloading to a shooter.


Of course it is. When you're the primary defender and the guy you're defending is on his way to the rim, you're not the one playing the passing lanes, you're the one trying to stop him from getting to the rim/catching up. It's not like LeBron was surrounded by shooters when he was young in Cleveland anyways.



It is harder to get buckets at the rim in the playoffs when defenders are not worried about picking up excessive fouls, being on the poster or getting injured. (One of the reasons Lebron is awful in the playoffs.) Same applies on a 1 on 1 game with limited possessions, the players are going to put their bodies on the line like they do in the playoffs.

You're comparing playoff defenses where the teams' gameplans were only to stop LeBron (who else was really going to make you pay? Drew Gooden?) and had defenses shift on him when he touched the ball, and collapse on him when he drove to the rim, to a single guy in front of him?

And who are the defenders who pick up the excessive fouls on those drives most of the time? Certainly not the primary defenders. It's usually the help defenders, which is why big men are the ones in foul trouble way more often than perimeter players.

The "same thing" doesn't apply at all. A scenario of teams tightening up their entire defense against one player doesn't apply to there being no defense other than just one guy.

[itsGameTime]

Get Lebron's nut out yo mouth son. He has no 1on1 game. That's why 95% of the time he calls for a pick and roll at center court. I guess there's a reason for that huh?

He can't post up which is huge in 1on1 when you're a bigger player going against a smaller player. His handles look impressive against slower SF's and big PFs, but against guards that will pick his pocket he really has no choice but to post up, which he has shown he is incapable of doing. I can now tell that you don't play 1on1 basketball.

Kobe in his prime is way quicker than Lebron, not to mention a way better defender. Look around you. The only people who think Lebron even has a chance are you and John Wall so far and even Wall wasn't really sure :oldlol:

[Dave3]

Get Lebron's nut out yo mouth son. He has no 1on1 game. That's why 95% of the time he calls for a pick and roll at center court. I guess there's a reason for that huh?

He can't post up which is huge in 1on1 when you're a bigger player going against a smaller player. His handles look impressive against slower SF's and big PFs, but against guards that will pick his pocket he really has no choice but to post up, which he has shown he is incapable of doing. I can now tell that you don't play 1on1 basketball.

Kobe in his prime is way quicker than Lebron, not to mention a way better defender. Look around you. The only people who think Lebron even has a chance are you and John Wall so far and even Wall wasn't really sure :oldlol:
I see. So you don't actually watch him, but feel compelled to tell me about his game? LeBron didn't need picks to get past defenders when he was younger. That's something he's started doing more recently in his career. I give you video evidence that he was more than quick enough to get past players one on one and you reply with something personal.

Just confirming, usually the first person to throw insults is the one who's lost a debate right?

[itsGameTime]

It's not a debate actually. It's not even close. I'm just trying to help you stop embarrassing yourself.

[Deuce Bigalow]

both of them in their primes it would still be LeBron likely to win just because he's the bigger position.

http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/2356/555513wkdxxvpg.jpg

[L8k3r5]

HAHAHAHA Bra u think LeBron can do anything, ANYTHING ! it dont matter what it is we ask u anything about LeBron can he do it ur answer always will be YES.
He probably believes Lebron can teleport anywhere on the planet too :oldlol:

[L8k3r5]

not really... because i got even more of Kobes horrible footwork / traveling GIF's.... :confusedshrug:
No Let me prove you wrong kid.
http://i46.tinypic.com/1t8ne0.gif
http://nsa24.casimages.com/img/2010/10/20/101020073017274536.gif
http://nsa24.casimages.com/img/2010/10/21/101021080255640008.gif
Clearly the best footwork in the game.

[Deuce Bigalow]

http://nsa24.casimages.com/img/2010/10/21/101021080255640008.gif


:bowdown:

[itsGameTime]

No Let me prove you wrong kid.
http://http://i46.tinypic.com/1t8ne0.gif
http://nsa24.casimages.com/img/2010/10/20/101020073017274536.gif
http://nsa24.casimages.com/img/2010/10/21/101021080255640008.gif
Clearly the best footwork in the game.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/0%20Players/Lebron%20James/--vs--6.gif

:applause:

[Dave3]

It's not a debate actually. It's not even close. I'm just trying to help you stop embarrassing yourself.
Oh gee, thanks for all your help:rolleyes:

[L8k3r5]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/0%20Players/Lebron%20James/--vs--6.gif

:applause:
:oldlol: And don't forget this
http://nsa20.casimages.com/img/2010/11/25/101125035807433904.gif
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Dave3]

http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/2356/555513wkdxxvpg.jpg
Oooooooh, the picture reply. I've been defeated! Let me guess, I'm supposed to reply with a picture of Kobe in his white clothes that time he did that modelling thing, then you come back at me with the "U mad" and we exchange mindless pictures that add nothing to discussion...yeah...no thanks. Enjoy your pictures though. They're an excellent debating technique. :applause:

[L8k3r5]

Kobe is, what, 34? He's not going to be a top 5 player in the NBA ever again. Sorry. "Flawless"? LOLOLOLOL. He has plenty of flaws:
*Inconsistent (at times downright bad) shot selection
*inconsistent effort on D
*(Currently) unable to play good defense on younger more athletic players
*Doesn't always play well with his teammates
*"Hero complex" in close games (freezes out teammates, takes insane shots)
Kobe is 33

[itsGameTime]

:oldlol: And don't forget this
http://nsa20.casimages.com/img/2010/11/25/101125035807433904.gif
:roll: :roll: :roll:

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Oooooooh, the picture reply. I've been defeated! Let me guess, I'm supposed to reply with a picture of Kobe in his white clothes that time he did that modelling thing, then you come back at me with the "U mad" and we exchange mindless pictures that add nothing to discussion...yeah...no thanks. Enjoy your pictures though. They're an excellent debating technique. :applause:
:applause:
just for fun brah

[Dave3]

:applause:
just for fun brah
That's fine if it's done for fun once or twice. When every single Kobe/Jordan/LeBron topic turns into a picture war, it gets boring, repetitive, and dumbs down everyone involved.

Are you at least somewhat convinced or no avail?

[Deuce Bigalow]

That's fine if it's done for fun once or twice. When every single Kobe/Jordan/LeBron topic turns into a picture war, it gets boring, repetitive, and dumbs down everyone involved.

Are you at least somewhat convinced or no avail?

Right now, Lebron probally wins
Kobe's Prime, he wins easily

so no avail I guess

[andgar923]

Durant said....

Kobe 1a
Lebron 1b
Wade 1c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvWxE97FwAI&feature=player_embedded


This shouldn't be argued.

Kobe will beat Bron in a one on one game 8 outta 10 times.

[Dave3]

No Let me prove you wrong kid.
http://nsa24.casimages.com/img/2010/10/21/101021080255640008.gif
Clearly the best footwork in the game.
Ok,

1. Kobe has great footwork, and you're right, probably close to the best, if not the best in the game.

With that said though, isn't this .gif a travel? I'm not complaining or care about the play itself (every NBA player travels) but I don't think it makes sense to use a travel as an example of great footwork.

Here's why I think it's a travel. The stepback move he does counts as the 2 steps does it not? His step back is 2 steps, then he pivots after them, which makes it 3 steps no?

It's a very similar play to LeBron's travel against the Wizards here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtf7kQZC6gw

When everyone was going crazy how the travel wasn't called. It's the same idea where the player does the hop step while picking up the dribble, fakes, then steps through (the extra 3rd step) and shoots.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Ok,

1. Kobe has great footwork, and you're right, probably close to the best, if not the best in the game.

With that said though, isn't this .gif a travel? I'm not complaining or care about the play itself (every NBA player travels) but I don't think it makes sense to use a travel as an example of great footwork.

Here's why I think it's a travel. The stepback move he does counts as the 2 steps does it not? His step back is 2 steps, then he pivots after them, which makes it 3 steps no?

It's a very similar play to LeBron's travel against the Wizards here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtf7kQZC6gw

When everyone was going crazy how the travel wasn't called. It's the same idea where the player does the hop step while picking up the dribble, fakes, then steps through (the extra 3rd step) and shoots.

its hard to tell if his foot actually came off the ground

[Dave3]

its hard to tell if his foot actually came off the ground
I'm talking about the left one, not the right. I'm not saying he switched pivots, I'm saying you can't pivot after taking the two steps, which the hop step is considered.

[L8k3r5]

Ok,

1. Kobe has great footwork, and you're right, probably close to the best, if not the best in the game.

With that said though, isn't this .gif a travel? I'm not complaining or care about the play itself (every NBA player travels) but I don't think it makes sense to use a travel as an example of great footwork.

Here's why I think it's a travel. The stepback move he does counts as the 2 steps does it not? His step back is 2 steps, then he pivots after them, which makes it 3 steps no?

It's a very similar play to LeBron's travel against the Wizards here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtf7kQZC6gw

When everyone was going crazy how the travel wasn't called. It's the same idea where the player does the hop step while picking up the dribble, fakes, then steps through (the extra 3rd step) and shoots.
No, the pivot doesn't count as an extra step. You just can't dribble with it after you stopped dribbling. Second, Kobe didn't really ''step back'', he hopped back which is creating space and I don't think it counts as a step. So I don't think that play was a travel

[L8k3r5]

I'm talking about the left one, not the right. I'm not saying he switched pivots, I'm saying you can't pivot after taking the two steps, which the hop step is considered.
I didn't think the hop step is considered 2 steps. If it is, it's still not a travel because the pivot doesn't count as a step.

[Deuce Bigalow]

he was going towards the hoop then steps back, takes a step and shoots before the other foot landed, doesnt look like a travel

[Dave3]

No, the pivot doesn't count as an extra step. You just can't dribble with it after you stopped dribbling. Second, Kobe didn't really ''step back'', he hopped back which is creating space and I don't think it counts as a step. So I don't think that play was a travel
How does the pivot not count as an extra step? Of course it is lol. Watch the LeBron clip. Point to where the differences are between the moves. Both of them hop, and both of them pivot right after.

[L8k3r5]

How does the pivot not count as an extra step? Of course it is lol. Watch the LeBron clip. Point to where the differences are between the moves. Both of them hop, and both of them pivot right after.
Is he moving forward when he's making the pivot move (as in is he taking extra steps)? No. He is simply So it is not a travel.

[Vien]

Not to burst your bubble, but LeBron lift BOTH his feet after he did a hop, which is why people would call it a travel.

As for the Kobe GIF, he only lift one of his feet after the hop (a stepback is just a pro hop away from the hoop), which is definitely not a travel.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Lebron's left foot step (the last step) is illegal, if he wouldve released the ball after the right foot then it would be legal

[Dave3]

Didn't even notice that LeBron lifted his right foot too. I'm pretty sure that actually makes it 4 steps:lol

And I don't think it matters the direction you're going when you're pivoting, a step is a step. Where in the NBA rulebook does it ever make a distinction about direction?

Point 1 - The hop step counts as two steps.

Point 2 - pivot counts as a step, which is why after pivoting with one food, you're not allowed to switch pivots, correct?

Which one of these is wrong? One of them needs to be for that not to be a travel.

[thejumpa]

Big man vs smaller man....big man is gonna win. I don't give a shit how polished your skills are. Kobe is supposed to have an ultra strong lower body though so who knows? If LBJ took his time, he could probably back down Kobe everytime. If Kobe got into rhythm and started using multiple moves to fake him out/create space, it could frustrate Bron and it would be over. It's a tired ass debate but definitely interesting as they play completely different styles of ball but each have clear advantages over each other. Prime vs prime...now vs now...whatever.

[L8kersfan222]

Lol @ Lebron having a post up game, Kobe wins easy, can't pass to Wade in a 1-on-1.

[Jacks3]

[QUOTE=RRR3]Kobe is, what, 34? He's not going to be a top 5 player in the NBA ever again.
You're a clown.

*Inconsistent (at times downright bad) shot selection
*inconsistent effort on D
*(Currently) unable to play good defense on younger more athletic players
*Doesn't always play well with his teammates
*"Hero complex" in close games (freezes out teammates, takes insane shots)
Now let's look at his strengths:
--Insanely good scorer. Top 5 ever.
--One of the best on-ball/man-to-man defenders ever.
--One of the best clutch players ever.
--Top 5 G.O.A.T winner (5 NBA Titles, 7 Finals)
--Very good efficiency. Consistently 3-4%+ over league average in his prime.
--Insane durability/longevity.
--Excellent rebounder.
--One of the best non-PG play-makers ever.
--G.O.A.T "take-over" ability
--G.O.A.T explosiveness.
--Excellent versatility. Can and play and guard up 3 different positions,and excel in any type of offense, with different styles of player, with any type of pace.
--One of the three most skilled players ever.
--Excellent all-around game.
--G.O.A.T non-PG ball-handler (prime)
--Excellent intangibles. Incredible work-ethic, competitiveness, maniac intensity,obsessed with the game, fiery leader.
--Excellent ball-hawk
--Incredible athlete.
--High B-Ball IQ/Very Crafty.
etc etc

Kobe>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your favorite player.

:pimp:




--

[madmax]

so it looks like I won't get any answer to my question of how a scrawny guard is gonna stop big athletic beast from bullying his way to the basket...apart from old tired "Kobe is gonna use his GOAT defense to lock Lebron up" of course:lol
Good, looks like discussion is going nowhere then...

[L8kersfan222]

:mad:
no post up game
your argument = weighed, measured, and has been found wanting
you obviously don't play basketball

[madmax]

no post up game
your argument = weighed, measured, and has been found wanting
you obviously don't play basketball

so what are you saying is that peak Lebron (2005-2009) would have trouble blowing by a single defender (guard nonetheless), when he showed no trouble driving and scoring against 5 man collapsing defenses in the past...gotcha:lol
I think it's obvious which one of us never played a pick-up game before...

[L8kersfan222]

so what are you saying is that peak Lebron (2005-2009) would have trouble blowing by a single defender (guard nonetheless), when he showed no trouble driving and scoring against 5 man collapsing defenses in the past...gotcha:lol
I think it's obvious which one of us never played a pick-up game before...
http://a2.twimg.com/profile_images/1618372666/49D2TY8F

you hahahaha don't keep ya twitta out playboy you lookin mad outta shape





EASY

[Jacks3]

Prime Kobe is the best one-on-one player ever. lol @ LeBron beating him.

:facepalm

[nayte]

Normally the bigger guy wins these types of game but in this situation I'le take Kobe.He can score in to many different ways for Lebron to combat.
I was gonna say if Lebron posted him all the time it might be another matter but after watching those gifs...

[pauk]

Prime Kobe is the best one-on-one player ever. lol @ LeBron beating him.

:facepalm

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[9erEmpire]

http://nsa24.casimages.com/img/2010/10/21/101021080255640008.gif
Clearly the best footwork in the game.

That was a clean move and not a travel.

I can see why people are confused.

As Kobe is taking that 2 step backwards, he hasn't picked up his dribble. His hand was still on top of the ball, when he finally picks it up, he then can still pivot.

The man's feet move faster than his dribble.

[RRR3]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

It's crazy how much you underrate Kobe. You've said a lot of crazy dumb shit, but that's definitely one of the dumbest things you have ever said.

"Kobe will never win a ring without Shaq"

"Kobe definitely won't repeat in 2010. He's old and declining"

"Kobe will never become a top 10 player all-time. He only got those rings because he played with Shaq"

:oldlol:
And when have you heard me say any of those things? :facepalm

[Soundwave]

I'm really not so sure about this.

While Kobe is more of a "text book" 1-on-1 player, he's also noticeably lost a step. And his defence is not as good as LeBron's.

If LeBron's jumper was going, I think it'd be a coin toss really as to who wins.

And to add to that, I think Wade would beat both of them one-on-one.

[Doranku]

Ok,

1. Kobe has great footwork, and you're right, probably close to the best, if not the best in the game.

With that said though, isn't this .gif a travel? I'm not complaining or care about the play itself (every NBA player travels) but I don't think it makes sense to use a travel as an example of great footwork.

Here's why I think it's a travel. The stepback move he does counts as the 2 steps does it not? His step back is 2 steps, then he pivots after them, which makes it 3 steps no?

It's a very similar play to LeBron's travel against the Wizards here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtf7kQZC6gw

When everyone was going crazy how the travel wasn't called. It's the same idea where the player does the hop step while picking up the dribble, fakes, then steps through (the extra 3rd step) and shoots.

I personally don't think that's a travel. His right foot is his pivot the entire time, it just looks like he takes a step with it when he flattens his foot to the ground when he steps through with his left.

[ILLsmak]

I dunno if that's true.

I remember I used to argue with people over who would win if Prime Shaq and Prime MJ played 1v1.

It's not exactly the same, but as long as LeBron could protect the ball he'd get to the rim every time for a lay up. Kobe would have to make jumpers. There's no way Kobe could keep LeBron away from the rim. LeBron would just have to get a tiny bit of space, pick up the ball, take two steps and dunk.

1v1 isn't won as much by shooting it's won by the player who can get the most lay ups.

[calvin671996]

Dam this gonna hurt Every Kobe haters feelings. I smell hate coming saying Durant dosent know shiit about Basketball. :lol

Durant dosent know shiit about Basketball.

[itsGameTime]

so it looks like I won't get any answer to my question of how a scrawny guard is gonna stop big athletic beast from bullying his way to the basket...apart from old tired "Kobe is gonna use his GOAT defense to lock Lebron up" of course:lol
Good, looks like discussion is going nowhere then...

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/0%20Players/Lebron%20James/--vs--6.gif

:roll:

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

so it looks like I won't get any answer to my question of how a scrawny guard is gonna stop big athletic beast from bullying his way to the basket...apart from old tired "Kobe is gonna use his GOAT defense to lock Lebron up" of course:lol
Good, looks like discussion is going nowhere then...

:facepalm

I already answered you and have tried to explain to you that without a post game LeBron's strength won't mean anything. Sure he's big but unless he's starts running from half court all day he isn't going to just run Kobe over.

Mass w/o Speed = No momentum. Momentum is what makes LeBron dangerous in the OPEN COURT. There is no fast break in 1 on 1.

So unless he picks Kobe up and throws him or magically develops a good post game, his strength and size won't mean anything.

[RRR3]

:facepalm

I already answered you and have tried to explain to you that without a post game LeBron's strength won't mean anything. Sure he's big but unless he's starts running from half court all day he isn't going to just run Kobe over.

Mass w/o Speed = No momentum. Momentum is what makes LeBron dangerous in the OPEN COURT. There is no fast break in 1 on 1.

So unless he picks Kobe up and throws him or magically develops a good post game, his strength and size won't mean anything.
:facepalm Watch some of the plays in this video where LeBron is standing at the 3pt line dribbling and then just explodes past the defenders to the basket. But yeah, he couldn't get past Kobe. :rolleyes:

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

:facepalm Watch some of the plays in this video where LeBron is standing at the 3pt line dribbling and then just explodes past the defenders to the basket. But yeah, he couldn't get past Kobe. :rolleyes:

Firstly, you don't typically play that high in 1 on 1.

Secondly, I could believe he couldn't blow past Kobe if Kobe actually put in effort on D. You don't have to be the fastest guy to play good D. It's about instincts, footwork and positioning.

Hell, LeBron couldn't even blow past guys like Osik or Noah or Haywood when he had them isolated.

[L8k3r5]

so it looks like I won't get any answer to my question of how a scrawny guard is gonna stop big athletic beast from bullying his way to the basket...apart from old tired "Kobe is gonna use his GOAT defense to lock Lebron up" of course:lol
Good, looks like discussion is going nowhere then...
He's not scrawny. He's probably stronger than most people on this forum. I've seen him move Lebron in the post. He's a not a weak dude

[Heavincent]

And when have you heard me say any of those things? :facepalm

Well you joined in July, but I'm sure you said at least one of those things before Kobe had that absolutely amazing repeat in 09 and 10 (better than anything Lebron has ever done).

But saying Kobe has no chance of being a top 5 player ever again is ****ing laughable :oldlol:

[RRR3]

Firstly, you don't typically play that high in 1 on 1.

Secondly, I could believe he couldn't blow past Kobe if Kobe actually put in effort on D. You don't have to be the fastest guy to play good D. It's about instincts, footwork and positioning.

Hell, LeBron couldn't even blow past guys like Osik or Noah or Haywood when he had them isolated.

Kobe is a shitty defender as of right now. Sorry. And last time I checked Kobe is a lot smaller than all the guys you just mentioned, so LeBron will be less hesitant to try to drive past him. Plus, LeBron a few years ago, before he put on weight, could blow past anybody. Unless you're gonna tell me he was hitting jumpers all the time back then :lol

[Heavincent]

Kobe is a shitty defender as of right now. Sorry. And last time I checked Kobe is a lot smaller than all the guys you just mentioned, so LeBron will be less hesitant to try to drive past him. Plus, LeBron a few years ago, before he put on weight, could blow past anybody. Unless you're gonna tell me he was hitting jumpers all the time back then :lol

Kobe is a shitty defender? :roll: :roll: :roll:

Come on man, this is just getting ridiculous. I thought you said you were realistic about Kobe. It's obvious now that you're biased against him.

[RRR3]

Well you joined in July, but I'm sure you said at least one of those things before Kobe had that absolutely amazing repeat in 09 and 10 (better than anything Lebron has ever done).

But saying Kobe has no chance of being a top 5 player ever again is ****ing laughable :oldlol:


Good assumption, I never said those things in a serious manner I only said them when I was teasing my friends who like Kobe. And it's not laughable, it's true, he's not gonna be top 5 whenever we have a season, and he's going to have less and less of a shot each year after that.

[RRR3]

Kobe is a shitty defender? :roll: :roll: :roll:

Come on man, this is just getting ridiculous. I thought you said you were realistic about Kobe. It's obvious now that you're biased against him.
Is=/=was. Kobe WAS a great defender, but he's not now, and it doesn't help that he doesn't put much effort into his d these days. Phil Jackson was saying Kobe had declined as a defender already in 2004, and that was 7 years ago.

[Heavincent]

Good assumption, I never said those things in a serious manner I only said them when I was teasing my friends who like Kobe. And it's not laughable, it's true, he's not gonna be top 5 whenever we have a season, and he's going to have less and less of a shot each year after that.

So Kobe is healthier than he has been in about 4 years, but he as no shot at being a top 5 player ever again? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Whatever you say. Keep living in your little fantasy world.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Kobe is a shitty defender as of right now. Sorry.

Like I've stated earlier, he often times doesn't respect his man on D and doesn't bother trying anymore. But his defense (or lack thereof) is due to lack of effort, not ability. He knows how to play man D. He's never been the greatest help defender though. Especially on pick and rolls.


And last time I checked Kobe is a lot smaller than all the guys you just mentioned, so LeBron will be less hesitant to try to drive past him.

:roll: So let me get this straight. You are saying that LeBron was hesitant to drive past Centers because they are big? That's the whole point of getting a mismatch. You want a big guarding LeBron on the perimeter because he's supposed to blow past them.


Plus, LeBron a few years ago, before he put on weight, could blow past anybody. Unless you're gonna tell me he was hitting jumpers all the time back then :lol

We're not talking about LeBron from back then though are we? If we're using past versions of LeBron and Kobe it really won't be a contest then.

[RRR3]

So Kobe is healthier than he has been in about 4 years, but he as no shot at being a top 5 player ever again? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Whatever you say. Keep living in your little fantasy world.

Oh, boy, the whole "b-b-b-b-b-b-but Kobe was injured!" excuse again. And you say LeBron fans make a lot of excuses :rolleyes: Pot, meet kettle. He's 33 going on 34, he's not going to magically regain his athleticism. You really think he'll ever be better than LBJ, Wade, or D12 again? Please. That's 3 right there, and you have up and coming guys like Rose and Durant who were better last year and are still improving, not to mention guys like CP3 and Dirk. :sleeping I don't care how great Kobe was or how many times he WAS top 5/top3/top1/etc., he's not now and won't be again.

[Heavincent]

Is=/=was. Kobe WAS a great defender, but he's not now, and it doesn't help that he doesn't put much effort into his d these days. Phil Jackson was saying Kobe had declined as a defender already in 2004, and that was 7 years ago.

So there's no middle ground between shitty and great? It's just one or the other? Come on man, think before you post.

He's still a decent defender.

[RRR3]

Like I've stated earlier, he often times doesn't respect his man on D and doesn't bother trying anymore. But his defense (or lack thereof) is due to lack of effort, not ability. He knows how to play man D. He's never been the greatest help defender though. Especially on pick and rolls.



:roll: So let me get this straight. You are saying that LeBron was hesitant to drive past Centers because they are big? That's the whole point of getting a mismatch. You want a big guarding LeBron on the perimeter because he's supposed to blow past them.



We're not talking about LeBron from back then though are we? If we're using past versions of LeBron and Kobe it really won't be a contest then.
:rolleyes: I don't know why LeBron didn't drive past Asik/etc. against the Bulls (that's on him), but I can tell you that he was clearly out of it against the Mavs. Pretty sure LBJ can still drive past a lot of people, at least he did when I watched him this year. Plus, LBJ also shot better than Kobe from midrange and 3pt last year, so there goes Kobe's supposed "advantage" as of 2011. If this is say, 2007, it'll be close either way. Anyone who thinks that either LBJ or Kobe will dominate the other is exaggerating to say the least. As I've said, both will score pretty much every time because neither will truly be able to defend the other, so it depends on who scores first or who gets into a zone first.

[RRR3]

So there's no middle ground between shitty and great? It's just one or the other? Come on man, think before you post.

He's still a decent defender.

He's okay, but he often guards weak offensive players these days, and gets torched when he tries to guard a great offensive player such as CP3. And he'd be shitty against LeBron. And before you go "B-b-b-b-b-but Shawn Marion locked down LBJ", yes, but Marion is a better defender than Kobe as of 2011, and his size and skillset make him a better matchup for LBJ in general. Or is there not a reason Ron Artest is the one who guards LeBron when LBJ plays the Lakers? Kobe used to guard him for spurts back in the day, sure, but not anymore.

[WillyJakk]

Am I the only one getting tired of Kevin Durant takin' shots at LeBron? (Ok he didn't really take a shot at him.)

And I like KD.

And oh btw Mr. Durant:

Can you beat Kobe or LeBron in one on one?

[Heavincent]

Oh, boy, the whole "b-b-b-b-b-b-but Kobe was injured!" excuse again. And you say LeBron fans make a lot of excuses :rolleyes: Pot, meet kettle. He's 33 going on 34, he's not going to magically regain his athleticism. You really think he'll ever be better than LBJ, Wade, or D12 again? Please. That's 3 right there, and you have up and coming guys like Rose and Durant who were better last year and are still improving, not to mention guys like CP3 and Dirk. :sleeping I don't care how great Kobe was or how many times he WAS top 5/top3/top1/etc., he's not now and won't be again.

Kobe's injuries are pretty serious you know. It's a perfectly legit excuse. Now that he's healthier, he has a good shot at not only being top 5, but he has a good shot at being top 3. Remember, a lot of people (including myself) think that Kobe was the best player in the league in the 09-10 season.

Don't ever doubt a top 10 all-time great like Kobe. He still has a few elite years left in him.

[BallsOut]

Oh, boy, the whole "b-b-b-b-b-b-but Kobe was injured!" excuse again. And you say LeBron fans make a lot of excuses Pot, meet kettle. He's 33 going on 34, he's not going to magically regain his athleticism. You really think he'll ever be better than LBJ, Wade, or D12 again? Please. That's 3 right there, and you have up and coming guys like Rose and Durant who were better last year and are still improving, not to mention guys like CP3 and Dirk. I don't care how great Kobe was or how many times he WAS top 5/top3/top1/etc., he's not now and won't be again.

:no: Never underestimate the heart of a champion.

[rodman91]

Am I the only one getting tired of Kevin Durant takin' shots at LeBron? (Ok he didn't really take a shot at him.)

And I like KD.

And oh btw Mr. Durant:

Can you beat Kobe or LeBron in one on one?

He said he is not on their level. He is so humble :D

[L8kersfan222]

RRR3 getting his azz handed to him yet again :facepalm , sigh when will he learn.

[G-Funk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpuswrs-Svg&feature=related


This all Kobe needs to do to win by 10.

[bdreason]

I'm sure most people will pick Kobe in that matchup.

[brantonli]

I have a feeling Kobe will just make LeBron take jumpers all day long, he's not going to respect him. Heck, team defences sometimes leave LeBron out (back in Cleveland) on the top of the key, never mind a 1-on-1 defence. If James goes hot from outside, then I think he'll win, but I'd assume Kobe will get into his head as well, so overall I'd take Kobe on this.

[The Iron Fist]

All Kobe has to do to win is yell out, "FOURTH QUARTER" when lebronz gets the ball.

[JohnnyWall]

did pauk actually say lebron has better footwork than kobe?

http://i.imgur.com/QsDXM.jpg

[7_cody]

Kobe is one of the best 1 on 1 lockdown defenders in the league. Kobe would destroy LeBron 1 on 1.

You guys are serious??

Kobe chooses not to play defense, in that sense he is a crappy defense -- he hardly ever does it!! But when he does, he's one of the very best at it.

[monkeypox]

Ok,

1. Kobe has great footwork, and you're right, probably close to the best, if not the best in the game.

With that said though, isn't this .gif a travel? I'm not complaining or care about the play itself (every NBA player travels) but I don't think it makes sense to use a travel as an example of great footwork.

Here's why I think it's a travel. The stepback move he does counts as the 2 steps does it not? His step back is 2 steps, then he pivots after them, which makes it 3 steps no?

It's a very similar play to LeBron's travel against the Wizards here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtf7kQZC6gw

When everyone was going crazy how the travel wasn't called. It's the same idea where the player does the hop step while picking up the dribble, fakes, then steps through (the extra 3rd step) and shoots.

This and similar plays have been debated a million times on other boards. But from what I can gather it's not a travel by the rules of the NBA. Even some experts and refs get mixed up on it because it looks strange, but pretty much anyone who took the time and read the rules came back thinking it was legal. I honestly don't even remember the reasoning because it still looks like a travel, but it's supposedly not.

[bdreason]

And a hopstep to step-through is definitely a travel. We even call that at the park.