Michael Jordan is still a PRICK

[chopchop20]

[QUOTE]The owners

[WillyJakk]

And this makes him a PRICK and disgusting how????

He's trying to get the best deal for himself and his vested interest as the owner of an NBA franchise now.

Nothing wrong w/ that.

Besides it's not like if he's the lone holdout that negotiations won't go any further w/ out his vote.

He'll just be the one unhappy owner, nothing more, nothing less.

[rodman91]

He is an owner,not a player. Being prick better than a fool.

[DuMa]

i got nothing against an owner who wants a guarantee that a business model will make money. but why single out mj for this? other owners are in the same boat and yet there aren't articles about them?

[B]

i got nothing against an owner who wants a guarantee that a business model will make money. but why single out mj for this? other owners are in the same boat and yet there aren't articles about them?Because 13 years he ago he led the fight when the owners wouldn't give the players 63% of the BRI


BY MITCH LAWRENCE
Thursday, October 29, 1998
You don't want to be a Washington player if Michael Jordan plays against the Wizards this season. During the mass owner-player meeting yesterday, Jordan engaged in a heated exchange with Wizards owner Abe Pollin.

Jordan's showdown with Pollin and fellow Bull Steve Kerr's verbal battle with David Stern were the highlights of the 11/2-hour meeting, according to several players.

According to players, Pollin said about his fellow owners, "You just have to trust us."

Jordan fired back, saying, "You've got to trust our negotiators." Jordan also blasted owners for not bargaining in good faith in the offseason and said to Pollin, "If you can't make a profit, you should sell your team."

[bedmon]

Jordan told Abe Pollian to get out of the NBA if he can not afford in back in 1999. Maybe he needs to follow his own advice.

[Sarcastic]

Dude always wants to win.

[DuMa]

[QUOTE=B

[Duncan21formvp]

This guy is disgusting: http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/11/4/2538427/michael-jordan-nba-lockout-2011-quotes

Considering how much money players get these days vs when he played for most of his career, why the hell would he wont players to get as much as they are getting now especially scrubs?

Hell someone like Kenyon Dooling make this over the last 6 years

2005-06 Orlando Magic NBA $3,100,000
2006-07 Orlando Magic NBA $3,348,000
2007-08 Orlando Magic NBA $3,596,000
2008-09 New Jersey Nets NBA $3,300,000
2009-10 New Jersey Nets NBA $3,564,000
2010-11 Milwaukee Bucks NBA $2,000,000


MJ made this over

1990-91 Chicago Bulls NBA $2,500,000
1991-92 Chicago Bulls NBA $3,250,000
1992-93 Chicago Bulls NBA $4,000,000
1993-94 Chicago Bulls NBA $4,000,000
1994-95 Chicago Bulls NBA $3,850,000
1995-96 Chicago Bulls NBA $3,850,000


Magic Johnson made this:

1985-86 Los Angeles Lakers NBA $2,500,000
1987-88 Los Angeles Lakers NBA $2,500,000
1988-89 Los Angeles Lakers NBA $3,142,860
1990-91 Los Angeles Lakers NBA $2,400,000
1991-92 Los Angeles Lakers NBA $2,500,000
1992-93 Los Angeles Lakers NBA $2,500,000
1993-94 Los Angeles Lakers NBA $2,500,000

[B]

i did read that and it doesnt really apply. different time and different economics. his opinion as a player and as an owner is obviously gonna differ.

there is no sense of fairness in the negotiations... thats what people fail to see. each side are all trying to look out for themselves and try to guarantee themselves a best deal for their own situation. But not everyone knows the complex situation with each owner and their franchise, so its hard to get a sense of what is right or wrong for each owner of what they are demanding in the negotiations. none of us can tell them theyre wrong for demanding such. thats the ****ed up part. so you can call MJ a prick or other owners for being greedy, the trouble is that you have nothing to base that upon.Neat. But all your bla bla has nothing to do with my post. You asked why he was being singled out and that's why. 180 degree about face from 1998 to now is why he is being singled out by the author. None of the other owners played ball back then, none of the spoke out against the owners back then. Only Jordan and now he leads the pack to not only strike a deal but to crush the union in the act, that's why he is being singled out.

[WillyJakk]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Xd7W6OPSCuI/SDXAlyw6XBI/AAAAAAAAAhU/FMDxMECkUyI/s400/MagazineCigarAficionadoJordanCigar4.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAOUbr2HEpo

[chopchop20]

Also Jordan has several current players signed to his show division. He's profiting on players that he's trying to rip-off!

[Duncan21formvp]

Also Jordan has several current players signed to his show division. He's profiting on players that he's trying to rip-off!

Can you explain how he is ripping off players when Kenyon Dooling pretty much gets the same salary that MJ or Magic was getting?

[chopchop20]

Can you explain how he is ripping off players when Kenyon Dooling pretty much gets the same salary that MJ or Magic was getting?

Dude, it aint 1985 or 1995. Revenues have increased since MJ and Magic played.

[chopchop20]

i did read that and it doesnt really apply. different time and different economics. his opinion as a player and as an owner is obviously gonna differ.

there is no sense of fairness in the negotiations... thats what people fail to see. each side are all trying to look out for themselves and try to guarantee themselves a best deal for their own situation. But not everyone knows the complex situation with each owner and their franchise, so its hard to get a sense of what is right or wrong for each owner of what they are demanding in the negotiations. none of us can tell them theyre wrong for demanding such. thats the ****ed up part. so you can call MJ a prick or other owners for being greedy, the trouble is that you have nothing to base that upon.

RT: @ZachLowe_SI In September 2010, Bobcats officials couldn't have sounded much more optimistic: http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/19639/michael-jordans-bobcat-comeback

[rodman91]

Nobody would do anything against their benefits.If they can push it to 47, they will.It's business.Get real.

[B]

Dude, it aint 1985 or 1995. Revenues have increased since MJ and Magic played.
He wouldn't have been making Jordan or Magic level money way back when so he shouldn't be making superstar money today. He'd have been making 100k back then

[chopchop20]

Nobody would do anything against their benefits.If they can push it to 47, they will.It's business.Get real.

I am REAL. The NBA just had it's most successful season in it's history (during a recession), yet there is a lockout. That's BAD BUSINESS

[wakencdukest]

Jordan was kind of an arrogant prick before he was an owner. His latest antics don't change anything.

[chopchop20]

[QUOTE=B

[B]

What does back then have to do with RIGHT NOW. Asks the guy who started a thread comparing Jordan's position in CBA negotiations RIGHT NOW to back then

[ChandlerParsons]

do these forums still suck

[DuMa]

What does back then have to do with RIGHT NOW. If it was 1955, players would be making $5,000/year.

Dooling isn't making superstar money now.

Player salaries are tied to revenue. If the league was raking in $4 Billion dollars back in the day, Magic and Jordan would be making the same money as players are now

sounds like irony to me. you just made yourself look like a hypocrite

[Asukal]

He is indeed a prick, everybody knows that. Your agenda is??? :rolleyes:

[chopchop20]

sounds like irony to me. you just made yourself look like a hypocrite

Not at all.... dude is arguing about Dooling's salary. He would have made $100K/year back in the day. OK... and?

[chopchop20]

MJ traded his best player (Wallace) during the throes of a playoff chase. He traded Tyson Chandler for cap space. That's why his team sucks.

[Duncan21formvp]

Dude, it aint 1985 or 1995. Revenues have increased since MJ and Magic played.

I understand that but a guy like Dooling shouldn't be getting anywhere near what MJ and Magic got. We are talking about revenues within 20 years not 50-60 years ago.
Should Wade be making 3x-4x as much as Magic was making?

[chopchop20]

I understand that but a guy like Dooling shouldn't be getting anywhere near what MJ and Magic got. We are talking about revenues within 20 years not 50-60 years ago.
Should Wade be making 3x-4x as much as Magic was making?

Yeah, if the revenue is much greater than when Magic and MJ played.

[chopchop20]

I understand that but a guy like Dooling shouldn't be getting anywhere near what MJ and Magic got. We are talking about revenues within 20 years not 50-60 years ago.
Should Wade be making 3x-4x as much as Magic was making?

There's overpaid people in every sector of business. Some of these big time corporate CEO's make Dooling's salary look like chump change.

Check out some of the salaries of those guys that were directly tied to the financial collapse. When Hank Paulson cashed his GS stock to go work at the White House, he got $485 Million -- TAX FREE

[WillyJakk]

I'd suck but yet be great as a GM cause:

No way would I pay Keyon Dooling $3M+/ yr, I wouldn't even offer him a contract 1st of all but if I did or a player comparable to him, it'd be in the $150k range.

I'd offer guys like Kevin Martin tier $5m-$6M tops.

I'd offer guys like Josh Smith tier $7M-$8M tops.

I'd offer guys like Joe Johnson tier $8M-$9M tops.

I'd offer guys like Chris Paul tier $10M-$12M tops.

I'd offer guys like Howard the max.

The pay rate system is f*cked up but the incompetent GM is responsible for that while the overall payrate for Superstar players needs re-tooling (ie, they need to be paid more) the "regular joe" player should barely be a "100 thousandnairre".

Only max players are Kobe, LeBron, Wade, Howard, Dirk, Durant, Duncan, Anthony.

That's just me, though.

[brantonli]

There's overpaid people in every sector of business. Some of these big time corporate CEO's make Dooling's salary look like chump change.

Check out some of the salaries of those guys that were directly tied to the financial collapse. When Hank Paulson cashed his GS stock to go work at the White House, he got $485 Million -- TAX FREE

I completely agree about big well paid corporate CEOs, but Hank Paulson was forced to, by law, to give up all his Goldman shares, and they were shares he got as a compensation package when he was CEO of Goldman Sachs. So maybe that example isn't the greatest to use here...

[Sarcastic]

I understand that but a guy like Dooling shouldn't be getting anywhere near what MJ and Magic got. We are talking about revenues within 20 years not 50-60 years ago.
Should Wade be making 3x-4x as much as Magic was making?

When Michael Jordan first started playing, the TV contracts weren't even $100 million. In the 1990s when the league was at its best, the contracts were between $300-$600 million.

The new TV contracts are in the billions. The next one coming up in a few years will be 4-5 billion. Times are different.

http://www.insidehoops.com/nba-tv-contracts.shtml

[chopchop20]

I completely agree about big well paid corporate CEOs, but Hank Paulson was forced to, by law, to give up all his Goldman shares, and they were shares he got as a compensation package when he was CEO of Goldman Sachs. So maybe that example isn't the greatest to use here...

You're right, he was forced to give up the shares. But he never earned that money in the first place. Unless you count lying, cheating, and stealing.

Secondly, G.W. Bush gave him a special exemption that allowed him not to pay $50 Million on those shares when he cashed out.

And we're talking about overpaid basketball players... SERIOUSLY?

[chopchop20]

When Michael Jordan first started playing, the TV contracts weren't even $100 million. In the 1990s when the league was at its best, the contracts were between $300-$600 million.

The new TV contracts are in the billions. The next one coming up in a few years will be 4-5 billion. Times are different.

http://www.insidehoops.com/nba-tv-contracts.shtml

Yep. And the league is getting roughly $930 Million a season now.

[Kblaze8855]

MJ, like Magic, and Pippen signed a long term deal before contracts blew up. Magic had a 20 year deal for security. Pippen signed really long term(like 8-10 years I think) in the early 90s. But Larry Johnson came along and got the biggest deal in sports history in 93 with 84 million. And Howard got 100 million in like 95. THen KG. And Shaq. Glenn Robinson almost got 100 million as a rookie and settled for "just" 68 million in 94.

MJ saw all this and when his deal was up he got paid 30 million for 97 and I think 33 million for 98. Pippen got like a 70 million dollar deal past his prime. Magic was already gone. The old guys still around got paid though. Karl Malone. Stockton. Mutombo got his. Reggie Miller got paid in the late 90s. Zo got like 100 million. Barkley made a quarter of his career earnings in 2000.

All the late 80s/early 90s young guys got paid bigtime on the second and third deals.

[KingBeasley08]

My man tryna get some money :cheers:

GOAT in bball and buisness:bowdown:

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

i got nothing against an owner who wants a guarantee that a business model will make money. but why single out mj for this? other owners are in the same boat and yet there aren't articles about them?

really?
[QUOTE]The owners

[Jasper]

Not saying Jordan represents other teams in these talks , but he is one of the owners as well as my Bucks Kohl that prefer to find some way to make the playing field level.
(Any article in the third person , talking about millionaire owners I do not trust in regards to hear say)
I am not sure how the media market works in the NBA when it comes to revenue sharing ... because there are franchises that have their own tv rights etc ...

Saturday is coming up N. Dame owns NBC :oldlol:

This is a college institution :D ... for some reason I think the NBA has tapped into the world market , but some how I don't think they are getting every dollar. (This I think the league needs to also address to help the revenue in the small markets)

[chopchop20]

MJ's stance cannot be excised from the context of what made MJ hundreds of millions of dollars

[Collie]

If you were the owner of the Bobcats, you'd be a hardliner too.

[StarJordan]

Good for MJ...i hope they disband the union...and take all college players and that's what becomes the NBA....2-3 years later nobody will remember these current players. Idiots take 50-50

[DuMa]

MJ was never part of the NBAPA If i can remember correctly or he withdrew some time before he became a global icon. there was a reason why you never saw his likeness or his name in NBA Live games. I remember he balked at Garnett's insane 125+ mil deal. He was never a fan of players getting large contracts for work they had not yet previously proved they could earn. He was always skeptical of young players being given what they hadnt worked hard for, like Lebron's 90 million contract with Nike before his first NBA game. So MJ has always been this hard stanced against players being overpaid.

[longtime lurker]

Someone should tell MJ to STFU and if you can't afford your team sell it.

[chopchop20]

MJ was never part of the NBAPA If i can remember correctly or he withdrew some time before he became a global icon. there was a reason why you never saw his likeness or his name in NBA Live games. I remember he balked at Garnett's insane 125+ mil deal. He was never a fan of players getting large contracts for work they had not yet previously proved they could earn. He was always skeptical of young players being given what they hadnt worked hard for, like Lebron's 90 million contract with Nike before his first NBA game. So MJ has always been this hard stanced against players being overpaid.

Except for when he wanted to be overpaid

[StarJordan]

>Except for when he wanted to be overpaid

michael jordan made most of his money off the court on his own not from nba salary. players dont deserve 20 milion salaries in this economy. They'll do 50-50 or they don't get to play in the nba.

[LJJ]

Except for when he wanted to be overpaid


His career salary averages out at 6 million per year. I don't see how that is overpaying for Jordan.

[Soundwave]

MJ's stance cannot be excised from the context of what made MJ hundreds of millions of dollars

Why should MJ give a sh*t about whiny players that are earning 10x what he made with 1/10th the talent?

It's because of Jordan and the massive popularity and brand building the NBA was able to create in the 1990s that Rashard Lewis and his buddies can make more in one year than Jordan, Magic, Bird, etc. made in several years all combined.

[B]

MJ was never part of the NBAPA If i can remember correctly or he withdrew some time before he became a global icon. there was a reason why you never saw his likeness or his name in NBA Live games. I remember he balked at Garnett's insane 125+ mil deal. He was never a fan of players getting large contracts for work they had not yet previously proved they could earn. He was always skeptical of young players being given what they hadnt worked hard for, like Lebron's 90 million contract with Nike before his first NBA game. So MJ has always been this hard stanced against players being overpaid.

Every player is a member of the NBPA. You don't play if you're not a member, even Michael Jordan has to play by those rules.
Jordan is not on video games because Jordan refuses to allow video games to use his likeness. There was a problem with Ninetendo that held his rights for years and once that was cleared up he shunned the video game industry. Barkely went through something similar.

Back on topic Jordan really shouldn't be an owner or in any teams front office, he should hire people to do the real work and do what he does best. Sit back and be MJ, be the face of the franchise, spend his time high fiving the season ticket holders but stop pretending he knows how to run a basketball team

[StarJordan]

>You don't play if you're not a member

till they decertify the players union....then whoever will play at the terms being offered will be NBA and rest will be out of work unemployment league

[DetroitPiston]

It's one thing to stick out for your own interests, but man, practice what you preach, Jordan.

And someone needs to tell Jordan that he loses more money in his ventures if there isn't a season.

[AlphaWolf24]

MJ was never part of the NBAPA If i can remember correctly or he withdrew some time before he became a global icon. there was a reason why you never saw his likeness or his name in NBA Live games. I remember he balked at Garnett's insane 125+ mil deal. He was never a fan of players getting large contracts for work they had not yet previously proved they could earn. He was always skeptical of young players being given what they hadnt worked hard for, like Lebron's 90 million contract with Nike before his first NBA game. So MJ has always been this hard stanced against players being overpaid.


:facepalm

[chopchop20]

Why should MJ give a sh*t about whiny players that are earning 10x what he made with 1/10th the talent?

It's because of Jordan and the massive popularity and brand building the NBA was able to create in the 1990s that Rashard Lewis and his buddies can make more in one year than Jordan, Magic, Bird, etc. made in several years all combined.

Because he was once a player who made the same arguments that the current players are making.

[chopchop20]

MJ sells out players with hard-line stance
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/Michael-Jordan-siding-with-David-Stern-in-NBA-lockout-a-selfish-betrayal-110411

[Real Men Wear Green]

MJ player having the opposite stance of MJ owner is just further prrof that this is just two sides trying to make money, nothing to do with morality.

[ConanRulesNBC]

Someone should tell MJ to STFU and if you can't afford your team sell it.

And someone should tell the players to STFU and find another job if they're so unhappy.

[Mrofir]

[QUOTE=B

[Mrofir]

MJ sells out players with hard-line stance
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/Michael-Jordan-siding-with-David-Stern-in-NBA-lockout-a-selfish-betrayal-110411


great article

[Blue&Orange]

great article
If you're retarded like the writer i guess :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE]Michael Jeffrey Jordan finally found a cause he can get behind off the court: being an obstacle for any black kid dreaming of matching or exceeding Jordan

[MaxFly]

He's an owner... he has a responsibility to his franchise. I think he's doing what he believes is right for his team.

[Burgz]

If you were the owner of the Bobcats, you'd be a hardliner too.

this.

[chopchop20]

He's an owner... he has a responsibility to his franchise. I think he's doing what he believes is right for his team.

Well he should start by not making bad management decisions

[ConanRulesNBC]

MJ sells out players with hard-line stance
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/Michael-Jordan-siding-with-David-Stern-in-NBA-lockout-a-selfish-betrayal-110411

Whitlock is an idiot and so is anyone else using race in this lockout.

[longtime lurker]

I just looked at the Bobcat's roster and see Desagana Diop, Matt Carroll and Eduardo Najera are still on it. I don't even know what to say :facepalm

[OmniStrife]

the GOAT - (Greediest of All-Time)

[statman32]

the GOAT - (Greediest of All-Time)
Lets not make this about MJ. Stern and the owners are using him in a ploy to take advantage of the players that look at MJ as one of there own. By leaking reports that MJ is leading the charge of select owners that dont want to go above 47%, Stern is trying to show that 50% would be the NBA conceding on the issue.(Obviously not true) It's a smart move but won't change a thing because the NBAPA knows what they are doing and won't let the impressionable players vote on it.

[raptorfan_dr07]

MJ sells out players with hard-line stance
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/Michael-Jordan-siding-with-David-Stern-in-NBA-lockout-a-selfish-betrayal-110411

Beautiful article!!! :applause: :applause: :applause:

[knightfall88]

not surprised. It has been clear that MJ hates how much players get paid today. He absolutely hates it.

[dreaming121]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
RT @YahooSportsNBA: As Stern delivers ultimatum to players, Michael Jordan stays quiet during NBA labor talks. deck.ly/~0TSwb
13 minutes ago

I am confused now... Who is telling the truth ?

[blacknapalm]

37%? hahaha. MJ is going all in. it's weird though, i know he's not the driving force. he's just fiercely competitive. he's an owner now so he's going to be one of those hardline guys.

one other major thing is he feels today's players are entitled. he doesn't like guaranteed contracts and he almost loathes today's hype and reward before sacrificing and winning culture.

MJ's response to 49-51 deal:

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/mj-laughing.gif

[ConanRulesNBC]

not surprised. It has been clear that MJ hates how much players get paid today. He absolutely hates it.

That's because so many scrubs are being paid a ridiculous amount of money for doing almost nothing.

[Jimmy2k8]

MJ sells out players with hard-line stance
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/Michael-Jordan-siding-with-David-Stern-in-NBA-lockout-a-selfish-betrayal-110411


:oldlol: @ the "If MJ sides with the owners, he's a sellout"

This particular quote made me laugh out loud.
[QUOTE]Jordan should be the guy counseling LeBron James, teaching him how to perfect his game, his image and his business portfolio. But Jordan is not a giver. He

[The Macho Man]

:oldlol: @ the "If MJ sides with the owners, he's a sellout"

This particular quote made me laugh out loud.


Really? Why should MJ give a shit about teaching Lebron James how to "perfect" his game? :facepalm


Yeah, I don't understand the Lebron thing, but he does seem to be a bitter old dick.

[hoopslife]

That's because so many scrubs are being paid a ridiculous amount of money for doing almost nothing.

Yeah, but it's the stupid owners that decided to pay the scrubs that money. They are the ones that determine the market value for a player and they are the idiots that spent their money by overpaying for sub-par players.


http://www.sportsdivide.com

[BarberSchool]

Dude always wants to win.It is actually exactly this simple. Michael Jordan cannot control his competitive instinct, never has, never will. He is a winner.

[SpecialQue]

If this dumbass can't make a buck owning a team, he should stick to selling shoes.

[LJJ]

Yeah, but it's the stupid owners that decided to pay the scrubs that money. They are the ones that determine the market value for a player and they are the idiots that spent their money by overpaying for sub-par players.


http://www.sportsdivide.com

They have agreed to pay those players that amount of money in the last NBAPA-NBA owners negotiations. So indeed, they do not want to pay sub-par players those ridiculous salaries, that is in essence why the NBA is currently locked out Einstein.

[BarberSchool]

Lets not make this about MJ. Stern and the owners are using him in a ploy to take advantage of the players that look at MJ as one of there own. By leaking reports that MJ is leading the charge of select owners that dont want to go above 47%, Stern is trying to show that 50% would be the NBA conceding on the issue.(Obviously not true) It's a smart move but won't change a thing because the NBAPA knows what they are doing and won't let the impressionable players vote on it.Correct. Jordan is being used as a pawn and this is sickening.

[DuMa]

Lets not make this about MJ. Stern and the owners are using him in a ploy to take advantage of the players that look at MJ as one of there own. By leaking reports that MJ is leading the charge of select owners that dont want to go above 47%, Stern is trying to show that 50% would be the NBA conceding on the issue.(Obviously not true) It's a smart move but won't change a thing because the NBAPA knows what they are doing and won't let the impressionable players vote on it.
its kinda brilliant from stern. make jordan the enemy of so many players who looked to him as a hero and icon when they were kids to make them decide on the issues emotionally rather than logically.

[chopchop20]

Yeah, but it's the stupid owners that decided to pay the scrubs that money. They are the ones that determine the market value for a player and they are the idiots that spent their money by overpaying for sub-par players.


http://www.sportsdivide.com

The owners created the system to make the Middle Class fat back in 1999.

[ConanRulesNBC]

Yeah, but it's the stupid owners that decided to pay the scrubs that money. They are the ones that determine the market value for a player and they are the idiots that spent their money by overpaying for sub-par players.


http://www.sportsdivide.com

No argument there. I agree, the owners over paid so many players and this is why there's a lockout right now.

I don't understand why people defending these players don't get. Yes, the owners are at fault for over paying these players but now that the old deal expired why is it the owners fault that they want a new deal?

[Blue&Orange]

Lets not make this about MJ. Stern and the owners are using him in a ploy to take advantage of the players that look at MJ as one of there own. By leaking reports that MJ is leading the charge of select owners that dont want to go above 47%, Stern is trying to show that 50% would be the NBA conceding on the issue.(Obviously not true) It's a smart move but won't change a thing because the NBAPA knows what they are doing and won't let the impressionable players vote on it.
:facepalm It's astonishing how idiots and racists the pro-players are.

[chopchop20]

No argument there. I agree, the owners over paid so many players and this is why there's a lockout right now.

I don't understand why people defending these players don't get. Yes, the owners are at fault for over paying these players but now that the old deal expired why is it the owners fault that they want a new deal?

The problem is that the owners paid the wrong players. There's no system that will guarantee they won't do it again.

[LJJ]

The problem is that the owners paid the wrong players. There's no system that will guarantee they won't do it again.

They can't pay the wrong players. The players as a whole are guaranteed an X amount of money. No more, no less.

So looking at it from the perspective of the NBA as a whole, no individual player can be overpaid.

[ConanRulesNBC]

Why are there a lot of people using race in this? It's absolutely disgusting that people bring up that the owners are racists while the athletes are taking home millions of dollars like that's some how not fair. Whitlock and anyone else who says that there's any racism going on in this lockout or compares owners of NBA or any sports teams to slave owners and players of any sport to slaves is a f*cking idiot.

[B]

They can't pay the wrong players. The players as a whole are guaranteed an X amount of money. No more, no less.

So looking at it from the perspective of the NBA as a whole, no individual player can be overpaid. Yep

The players as a whole were guaranteed to receive 57% of the BRI. No matter what. Each owner could spend 50 cents per year per player and they would still end up paying out over 2 billion dollars to the players because the CBA said the owners would spend 57% of the BRI on the players. So as an owner either way you're going to spend your share of that 57%

Now whats better to do? Spend it on players even if you over pay them or write a check out at the end of the season that gets split up between all the players including those under contract to other teams?

As a fan I want my owner spending it on players. It's not the owners that over spend that is the problem, it's the owners that underspend and hope the other teams take up their slack in the 57% by over spending. Fans that complain about owners over spending or bad contracts don't understand the basic facts of the BRI and how it's implemented

[B]

Why are there a lot of people using race in this? It's absolutely disgusting that people bring up that the owners are racists while the athletes are taking home millions of dollars like that's some how not fair. Whitlock and anyone else who says that there's any racism going on in this lockout or compares owners of NBA or any sports teams to slave owners and players of any sport to slaves is a f*cking idiot.
The NBA as a group has been the most non racist group of all the major sports. You don't see the NBA enacting the Rooney rule or hear about the players that broke down the color barrier

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Dude, it aint 1985 or 1995. Revenues have increased since MJ and Magic played.

Not to mention a devaluation of the dollar.

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Regardless of BRI, if you pay the wrong people you're not going to get a good return on investment. Eddie Curry :oldlol:No argument there, sometimes they sign lousy players.

I'm just pointing out why owners would rather see the money go to securing talent instead of paying the union as a whole. Why write a check at the end of the season to fulfill the BRI obligations when you can spend that same money on a player that might help. it's a solid gamble. That's why they overpay at times to get that player on the team. Either way they got to spend that money. One is good for your team if the talent pans out the other does nothing for your team at all except empty the bank account.

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What kind of backwards logic is this? I'd rather pay 2 productive players smaller moveable contracts than overpay a sack of crap like Eddie Curry.
And this has what to do with my post? I'm talking about spending the money on players vs paying the money to fulfill BRI obligations and not having anything to show for it.

My logic is fine but your reading comprehension seems to be lacking