Jordan will Kill LeBron right Now !

[ZaaaaaH]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxQjQ6GjUfk&feature=related

Jordan Kills LeBron at 49 it is What it is ~

[knightfall88]

What we can get from this is how little respect Lebron commands in the basketball community right now.

[Asukal]

Lebron would kill Jordan in a 1on1 game right now. Skip is a moron. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[ZaaaaaH]

Lebron would kill Jordan in a 1on1 game right now. Skip is a moron. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm


You sure?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAbojIyN1zY

[Miserio]

The chosen one is the frozen one

[ZaaaaaH]

What we can get from this is how little respect Lebron commands in the basketball community right now.

I do agree, He is getting a lot of hate and disrespect but he brought it on his own so HE LeBron "King" James himself better Step it up and make sure He gets couple Rings on his Finger or else he is a fucccking BUST.

[Asukal]

You sure?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAbojIyN1zY

It's the only argument I NEED SHAWN!!!! :roll: :roll: :roll:

[pmj]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxQjQ6GjUfk&feature=related

Jordan Kills LeBron at 49 it is What it is ~

Quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Lebron and about 50 other people in the NBA would probably destroy Jordan 1v1.

[Clippersfan86]

HAHAHA.... I've seriously come to love Skip. He intentionally trolls and people think he really believes this stuff and argues with him. He would troll the sh*t out of this forum.

[L8kersfan222]

I'm taking Jordan easily and it ain't even close.

[asdf1990]

What we can get from this is how little respect Lebron commands in the basketball community right now.

not sure if serious? skip brainless a jordan dick rider and lebron hater picking jordan. could see that one coming from 20000 miles away.

[ZaaaaaH]

HAHAHA.... I've seriously come to love Skip. He intentionally trolls and people think he really believes this stuff and argues with him. He would troll the sh*t out of this forum.


LOL Yea he a funny dude. But Most of the stuff he has been saying about LeBron for over 6 years are coming true. Which is Scary ~

[Lebron23]

These Kobe stans are probably the worst basketball fan in this forum. LeBron would beat Jordan and Kobe 1 on 1. LeBron and his team are 9-3 againts Kobe in their head to head matchups.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

These Kobe stans are probably the worst basketball fan in this forum. LeBron would beat Jordan and Kobe 1 on 1. LeBron and his team are 9-3 againts Kobe in their head to head matchups.

Key words

[Lebron23]

41 yrs.old Jordan couldn't even beat John Rogers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B7U74Dg04k

[Jasper]

Chris brought up a great point about Jim Brown .... I saw it and it was a joke.

I don't care how competitive a person is - athletic's relys on two major factors : experience and athletic abilities.

Lebron is two years from his prime athletic abilities and probably experience as well.

Chris B. is one of the better media guys and he brought up another valid point ... Lebron guarded D. rose.

[fos]

41 yrs.old Jordan couldn't even beat John Rogers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B7U74Dg04k

In all fairness John Rogers is a ****ing beast.

[knightfall88]

not sure if serious? skip brainless a jordan dick rider and lebron hater picking jordan. could see that one coming from 20000 miles away.

He is a dick but he is a great analyst

[andgar923]

Of course Bron would win, but it will be closer than most people think.

Skip mentioned something that could happen, and that's MJ forcing Bron into pull-up jumpers. While Mj can't stay in front of Bron due to his foot speed, he can cut off his angles and be physical enough to deter him from time to time.

Bron is an overrated defender and if MJ gets on a streak, he could win it hands down. If not he has enough ammo to keep things interesting enough... but Bron eventually pulls away.

[ZaaaaaH]

It will be this All Day up to 7.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JswfzDKYr04&feature=related



























U GOT NOTHING !

[andgar923]

It will be this All Day up to 7.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JswfzDKYr04&feature=related



























U GOT NOTHING !

Naw... that means nothing.

Having said that....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCIq7QMdV0c&feature=fvwrel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtAJHx6nSfQ

Gerald is just as good an athlete as Bron and a better defender. MJ was out of shape, fat and probably hadn't had any significant time with a basketball. Give him a full year to get in shape and get his rhythm, in a one on one game.......

[Deuce Bigalow]

No he wouldn't, come on now

[donald_trump]

Gerald is just as good an athlete as Bron and a better defender.

:oldlol:

he is neither.


give mj however long you want, and he's still losing 11-0 in the game given lebron starts. even if mj does start, its no more than 11-2 to lebron.

even in their primes i'd take lebron. how are you going to stop someone that big from getting to the ring?

[andgar923]

:oldlol:

he is neither.


give mj however long you want, and he's still losing 11-0 in the game given lebron starts. even if mj does start, its no more than 11-2 to lebron.

even in their primes i'd take lebron. how are you going to stop someone that big from getting to the ring?

You're delusional if you think Gerald isn't as good an athlete or if he doesn't play better d.

And MJ losing 11-0 is a joke

In their primes MJ would murder Bron, f*ck outta here. As far as stopping Bron from getting to the rim, you clearly haven't seen multiple players do just that.

[Kurosawa0]

Skip Bayless: The Glenn Beck of sports.

[Quickening]

Skip Bayless is a ****.....

[ZaaaaaH]

:oldlol:

he is neither.


give mj however long you want, and he's still losing 11-0 in the game given lebron starts. even if mj does start, its no more than 11-2 to lebron.

even in their primes i'd take lebron. how are you going to stop someone that big from getting to the ring?



:applause:

[Timmy D for MVP]

*Clicked link*

*Saw Skip Bayless*

*Closed link*

[knightfall88]

even in their primes i'd take lebron. how are you going to stop someone that big from getting to the ring?

you ask Jason terry and Jason Kidd to give you pointers

[Fiasco]

These Kobe stans are probably the worst basketball fan in this forum. LeBron would beat Jordan and Kobe 1 on 1. LeBron and his team are 9-3 againts Kobe in their head to head matchups.

I hear LeBron wants to call Kobe up right now and challenge him, but Kobe only picks up after the 5th ring and LeBron's phone doesn't have a single one.

[donald_trump]

you ask Jason terry and Jason Kidd to give you pointers

he also has the rest of the team to worry about.

whats 205lbs jordan going to do when 260lbs lebron starts backing him down from the free throw line. answer is nothing.

[donald_trump]

You're delusional if you think Gerald isn't as good an athlete or if he doesn't play better d.

And MJ losing 11-0 is a joke

In their primes MJ would murder Bron, f*ck outta here. As far as stopping Bron from getting to the rim, you clearly haven't seen multiple players do just that.

your guess is as good as mine as far as the mj vs bron thing goes.

though gerald being as good an athlete or defender? well that just makes my opinion on the mj vs bron thing look more respectable. :oldlol:

gerald isn't in the same world in terms of athletic ability. and hes no where close as a man to man defender.

[pauk]

skip bayless...

stop caring right there... this video proves best how much of a Lebron hater he is....

he doesnt even have Lebron in Top 5 today and doesnt have Dwight even in Top 10.... :lol

[Asukal]

even in their primes i'd take lebron. how are you going to stop someone that big from getting to the ring?

You're taking Lebron over Jordan in his prime........ :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[andgar923]

your guess is as good as mine as far as the mj vs bron thing goes.

though gerald being as good an athlete or defender? well that just makes my opinion on the mj vs bron thing look more respectable. :oldlol:

gerald isn't in the same world in terms of athletic ability. and hes no where close as a man to man defender.

YOu're trolling right?

[andgar923]

he also has the rest of the team to worry about.

whats 205lbs jordan going to do when 260lbs lebron starts backing him down from the free throw line. answer is nothing.

Because that's exactly what he'll do.:facepalm

[OldSchoolBBall]

he also has the rest of the team to worry about.

whats 205lbs jordan going to do when 260lbs lebron starts backing him down from the free throw line. answer is nothing.

Bron couldnt even back down JJ Barea in the Finals - what makes you think he's gonna back down the strongest SG ever? (Jordan is also more like 240-245 pounds nowadays, and would probably be 225-230 if he trained for a year to get in shape, but that's irrelevant - Bron isn't backing Jordan down)

[MaxFly]

A match up at this point in their lives would be an utter humiliation for Jordan. I know that some have tried to be generous while being reasonable and have Jordan scoring perhaps 5 or 6 points in a game up to 11, but the reality is that Jordan *may* score 2 or 3 points. We're talking about a player who is taller, faster, stronger and quicker than Jordan at this point in their lives. Jordan's skill and mental toughness might get him a few points, but no where near a win. I see that people have been watching that latest Rocky Balboa movie.

In their primes, I'll take Jordan, but it's an insult to even hypothesize about this sort of matchup.

[AlphaWolf24]

I've seen Lebron James post up JJ Barea....who is only 5'7"...

since it's one on one and Lebron's speed and power would be negated since thier would be "0" open court aspect's of the game..

Jordan still get's by Lebron 1 vs 1....James Post up game and mid range jumper is horrible....Jordan's post game alone without worrying about help defenders would beat Lebron ..

Jordan could still beat Lebron and get past JJ Barea :lol

[AlphaWolf24]

A match up at this point in their lives would be an utter humiliation for Jordan. I know that some have tried to be generous while being reasonable and have Jordan scoring perhaps 5 or 6 points in a game up to 11, but the reality is that Jordan *may* score 2 or 3 points. We're talking about a player who is taller, faster, stronger and quicker than Jordan at this point in their lives. Jordan's skill and mental toughness might get him a few points, but no where near a win. I see that people have been watching that latest Rocky Balboa movie.

In their primes, I'll take Jordan, but it's an insult to even hypothesize about this sort of matchup.


but this is the problem with most uneducated fans...sure all those qualitys are great...

but...


what makes great players is none of those....what made Jordan , Kobe , Bird etc..truly great was the ability to understand how to manipulate their opponents with the subtle things like "footwork" "head and shoulder fakes".."change of direction moves"..."speed changes".....just all the little things that require hours upon hours and dedication to learn (in fact those are the hardest skills to aquire and happen to be the most effective)

Jordan didn't become great because he was fast..or could jump high....

he became great because he worked harder then anyone on the most important parts of the game.....


Jordan still beats him with skill alone....in a game to 21 I would take MJ 21 - Lebron 11

[rodman91]

49 years old Jordan is underdog for sure. But he has much better jumper,much more confident,clutch and smart. He has one of the greatest footworks combined with full of tricks.His favorite shot is fadeaway which best for using taller,athletic players.

Lebron has mass,power,size and athleticism.But he doesn't have post up skills.He will use his speed but half court one on one, speed and athleticisim is less important than pump fakes,jab steps,up and unders.

As for mentals, Lebron will be much more in pressure than Jordan.Nobody take it seriously if Jordan got destroyed.After all everybody will say he is 49. But if Jordan makes couple of nice moves,baskets..Lebron will be under huge pressure.Just think about 49 years old Jordan making fool of "king" James.We have seen what happened Lebron on finals.

I have seen 39 years old Jordan fooling prime Garnett on offense at iso plays.Even 49, on half court one on one, Jordan might have tricks to get his points.Here Jordan killing KG at 39:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GMd1m-OOWH0#t=215s

James is favorite but i wouldn't trust James that much and i wouldn't bet against Jordan.

[Bigsmoke]

naw MJ is too old

[MaxFly]

but this is the problem with most uneducated fans...sure all those qualitys are great...

but...


Here is the real problem with many fans of all stripes, educated and uneducated... they allow their self perceived basketball intellectualism (and obvious biases) to overshadow their common sense. Case-in-point, arguing that a nearly 50 year old Michael Jordan would beat a 26 year old Lebron James in a one on one game. Let's delve deeper.


what makes great players is none of those....what made Jordan , Kobe , Bird etc..truly great was the ability to understand how to manipulate their opponents with the subtle things like "footwork" "head and shoulder fakes".."change of direction moves"..."speed changes".....just all the little things that require hours upon hours and dedication to learn (in fact those are the hardest skills to aquire and happen to be the most effective)

You're absolutely right; those attributes make for great players. Athleticism can only take you so far and skill is paramount in becoming a great player. The problem with this argument is that Jordan is nearly 50 years old. As skilled as I'm sure he still is, his skill will not make up for the loss in athleticism that he has has suffered due to age and the natural physical advantages LeBron now has over him. Head fakes, footwork and speed changes make a world of difference when a player is 30 and 35, but when you're nearly 50 and you're playing a 26 year old NBA player who is near his prime and as good as Lebron is, let's not pretend you're going to head fake your way to a victory in a one and one game. That sort of reasoning is asinine.


Jordan didn't become great because he was fast..or could jump high....

It didn't hurt that Jordan was one of the best athletes we have ever seen in the league. His physical abilities lent immensely to his skill and allowed him to do things that even other immensely skilled players were unable to do. It's not just the athleticism and it's not just the skill... it's the package.


he became great because he worked harder then anyone on the most important parts of the game.....

All that hard work would get him 3 or so points out of 11 at the age of 49. If John Rogers can beat Jordan, LeBron, taking the match up seriously, would make it a travesty.


Jordan still beats him with skill alone....in a game to 21 I would take MJ 21 - Lebron 11

Looking for the "j/k" in white text... you must have forgotten to add it.

[Myth]

HAHAHA.... I've seriously come to love Skip. He intentionally trolls and people think he really believes this stuff and argues with him. He would troll the sh*t out of this forum.

If he's smart, he already does. He can see what gets under peoples' skin here, and then carry it over to ESPN.

Step 1: Troll on ISH
Step 2: Troll on Espn
Step 3: ???????????
Step 4: Profit

[andgar923]

49 years old Jordan is underdog for sure. But he has much better jumper,much more confident,clutch and smart. He has one of the greatest footworks combined with full of tricks.His favorite shot is fadeaway which best for using taller,athletic players.

Lebron has mass,power,size and athleticism.But he doesn't have post up skills.He will use his speed but half court one on one, speed and athleticisim is less important than pump fakes,jab steps,up and unders.

As for mentals, Lebron will be much more in pressure than Jordan.Nobody take it seriously if Jordan got destroyed.After all everybody will say he is 49. But if Jordan makes couple of nice moves,baskets..Lebron will be under huge pressure.Just think about 49 years old Jordan making fool of "king" James.We have seen what happened Lebron on finals.

I have seen 39 years old Jordan fooling prime Garnett on offense at iso plays.Even 49, on half court one on one, Jordan might have tricks to get his points.Here Jordan killing KG at 39:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GMd1m-OOWH0#t=215s

James is favorite but i wouldn't trust James that much and i wouldn't bet against Jordan.

Spoken like somebody that's played 1 on 1 before.

1 on 1 half court is a different type of game. Some of the skills that certain players thrive on are hindered, because the game itself is different. At the same time, a lesser skilled player can thrive even more depending on their style of play.

Unfortunately for Bron his style of play isn't the type that would make it even tougher for MJ, actually on the contrary, his style would actually aid MJ and he'll use it to his advantage. I could see players like Melo hurting MJ more than Bron, hell I mentioned in the past that Magic's style could've hurt MJ if both were in their primes.

I could honestly see MJ forcing Bron into step back after step back jumpers, or out of rhythm pull-ups far more than Bron driving in for dunks. Why? because a half court one on one game becomes a game of angles and MJ understands this far better than Bron.

Not saying that MJ would win, but the game wouldn't be a blowout like some are predicting, AND if MJ gets hot, MJ wins hands down.

[RRR3]

:facepalm @ people saying MJ would even have a chance of winning. The man is 49 FFS. Yes, he's the GOAT, and would probably beat any player ever one-on-one if both players were in their primes, but the fact is LBJ is 26 and Jordan is almost twice that. If you think he'd stand a chance against LBJ at age 49, I suppose you think he could come back into the NBA and average 20 points a game, eh? :facepalm

[BallsOut]

"That's your only argument."

"ITS THE ONLY ARGUMENT I NEED SHAWN"

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Asukal]

Don't let fanboyism blind you, MJ might score a couple of points but lets face it he can't win against Lebron right now. Nobody wins against father time, NO ONE! Not even Jordan. :pimp:

[macmac]

Did this moron really say that a one on one between Lebron James and present day Micheal Jordan would be a bigger draw than Mayweather Pacquiao??

WTFFF

ESPN should have cut the broadcast right there and blamed it on technical difficulties

[AlphaWolf24]

:facepalm @ people saying MJ would even have a chance of winning. The man is 49 FFS. Yes, he's the GOAT, and would probably beat any player ever one-on-one if both players were in their primes, but the fact is LBJ is 26 and Jordan is almost twice that. If you think he'd stand a chance against LBJ at age 49, I suppose you think he could come back into the NBA and average 20 points a game, eh? :facepalm


Jump shot never leaves you....(well at least until you can barely rub/walk like at 80)...and since Lebron's speed and power would be tied with no open court aspect...Jordan could easily be able to hang with Lebron and win...

one vs one is a totally different game then a full court 5 vs 5...

Jordan via Footwork and headfakes....all day

[jlip]

Don't let fanboyism blind you, MJ might score a couple of points but lets face it he can't win against Lebron right now. Nobody wins against father time, NO ONE! Not even Jordan. :pimp:

^This^

[The Iron Fist]

:facepalm @ people saying MJ would even have a chance of winning. The man is 49 FFS. Yes, he's the GOAT, and would probably beat any player ever one-on-one if both players were in their primes, but the fact is LBJ is 26 and Jordan is almost twice that. If you think he'd stand a chance against LBJ at age 49, I suppose you think he could come back into the NBA and average 20 points a game, eh? :facepalm

Bernard Hopkins has been beating guys in their mid to late 20s, while hes in his mid 40s.

I guess going by your theory, Hopkins never stood a chance against Pascal and Pavlik

[MaxFly]

I could honestly see MJ forcing Bron into step back after step back jumpers, or out of rhythm pull-ups far more than Bron driving in for dunks. Why? because a half court one on one game becomes a game of angles and MJ understands this far better than Bron.

Not saying that MJ would win, but the game wouldn't be a blowout like some are predicting, AND if MJ gets hot, MJ wins hands down.

So the assumption here is that Jordan is still quick enough to stay in front of LeBron and fast enough to recover and catch up to LeBron on his way to the rim.

[donald_trump]

Bron couldnt even back down JJ Barea in the Finals - what makes you think he's gonna back down the strongest SG ever? (Jordan is also more like 240-245 pounds nowadays, and would probably be 225-230 if he trained for a year to get in shape, but that's irrelevant - Bron isn't backing Jordan down)

:oldlol:

yeah, because of a bullshit charge call. :oldlol:

lol at 260lbs not being able to back down 225lbs. i was talking in their primes anyway, when jordan was 205. the strongest shooting guard ever? wade takes the cake there buddy.

lebron doesnt need to back down current jordan. he'd just blow by him every time.

so thats irrelevant.

[andgar923]

So the assumption here is that Jordan is still quick enough to stay in front of LeBron and fast enough to recover and catch up to LeBron on his way to the rim.

MJ would be 'smart' and YES even quick enough to stay in front of him long enough to make Bron pull up. And NO he won't be fast enough to recover. If Bron gets a step then there's no way MJ can recover.

You are also assuming that Bron would be smart enough to beat MJ off the dribble every time.... which he aint.

And you are also forgetting the different dynamics the go into play in a one on one half court game. And you're also forgetting that although MJ isn't as fast/quick as he used to be, he isn't a 6'8 or 6'10 player that's trying to guard Bron. MJ's height in this instance actually aids him in preventing a drive. People are making it seem as tho MJ isn't smart enough to play him for the drive, and won't make him shoot almost every possession.

FACT is, Bron isn't a very smart offensive player, nor a very skilled multi dimensional scorer. He's also infamous for settling for the jumper, which even his strongest defenders can't deny. MJ would exploit all of this enough to not get blown out (like some are suggesting) and make it somewhat of a game.

Now.... we keep reading about MJ stopping Bron on defense, but we've read very little on the flip side. MJ doesn't need to be lightning quick to blow by Bron, in fact he doesn't need to blow by him to score. MJ doesn't need to get dunks and layups, he could simply score on taking advantage of Bron's poor footwork, and by getting him off balance long enough to get an inch to score on him. We aren't talking about MJ coming back to play a full season here, we're talking about MJ playing 'one' game. So his endurance/legs aren't as big of an issue.

As I stated before.... MJ won't win. He just won't get killed like some are alluding too. However.... if MJ did happen to get hot, he wins handily, and vice versa. Although, I see MJ getting hot on quick mid range jumpers and post up moves, than Bron getting hot on 3pt shots and pull ups.

[andgar923]

:oldlol:

yeah, because of a bullshit charge call. :oldlol:

lol at 260lbs not being able to back down 225lbs. i was talking in their primes anyway, when jordan was 205. the strongest shooting guard ever? wade takes the cake there buddy.

lebron doesnt need to back down current jordan. he'd just blow by him every time.

so thats irrelevant.

I think you're missing the main point.

While I think the Barea comparison is kinda inaccurate, the main point he and others are trying to make still exists. He doesn't understand how to play the post. I mean c'mon, did he really need to power Barea down? couldn't he simply just turned around and without fading away just shot it over him?

It's actually very simple, he just turns around and shoots it.... that's it. No need to back him up. But he isn't capable of recognizing this which is what some of us are trying to say. And even if he was smart enough, is he skilled enough to even finish?

And yet again... people are confusing Bron's 'open court' speed to half court quickness, which are completely different. I mean, ya'll are making it seem as tho MJ won't force him to the weak side (depending on the location of the floor) and as tho MJ won't play off him far enough to play both the drive and the jumper. The difference with playing somebody like Kobe in this situation, is that Kobe would give you many looks cause he has different options offensively due to his higher offensive skill set. Bron is far more limited than somebody like Kobe, and I can easily see him just settling for a step back or long jumper and not find a way to beat MJ off the dribble by setting him up with a move or two. Part of the problem for Bron is that he tried to play like a shooting guard, but doesn't have the well rounded offensive skill set to play like one. What makes him dangerous in a game is his passing ability, but that dynamic doesn't exist in a one on one game. And since he doesn't know how to use his size to an advantage, and since he doesn't have the balance and skill set to play like a scoring guard, he becomes far more easier to defend.

[pauk]

the lebron hatred is just surreal.... :facepalm

realistically speaking lebron even at jordans prime will be able to give jordan more than he can handle for gods sake.... and now jordan is 49?

[andgar923]

the lebron hatred is just surreal.... :facepalm

realistically speaking lebron even at jordans prime will be able to give jordan more than he can handle for gods sake.... and now jordan is 49?

What 'hatred'?

FACT is, Bron doesn't use his size to his advantage.
FACT is, Bron doesn't know how to post up.
FACT is, Bron isn't a very fluid nor multi skilled scorer.
FACT is, Bron's athleticism takes a slight hit due to the difference in a full court game and a half court one on one format.

And seriously.... have you seen Bron play one on one perimeter defense? He's not an all defensive first team defender, hell... he aint even a non all defensive nothing. I cringe when i see him try to play perimeter defense at times.

[PowerGlove]

I hear LeBron wants to call Kobe up right now and challenge him, but Kobe only picks up after the 5th ring and LeBron's phone doesn't have a single one.
I thought we only went back ONE hour, not two years.:rolleyes:

[PowerGlove]

What 'hatred'?

FACT is, Bron doesn't use his size to his advantage.
FACT is, Bron doesn't know how to post up.
FACT is, Bron isn't a very fluid nor multi skilled scorer.
FACT is, Bron's athleticism takes a slight hit due to the difference in a full court game and a half court one on one format.

And seriously.... have you seen Bron play one on one perimeter defense? He's not an all defensive first team defender, hell... he aint even a non all defensive nothing. I cringe when i see him try to play perimeter defense at times.
You cant be serious.

[andgar923]

You cant be serious.

Dead serious.

Playing the lanes is different than playing one on one defense. There are a number of examples I can post to show this, as I'm sure somebody will counter with a highlight reel that proves little. But in the times I've seen him attempt to guard a smaller player, faster player, or multi skilled offensive player, I cringe.

[Ruutu]

This is just stupid! MJ is 49 years old...LBJ is one of the best basketball players right now. People who say MJ gonna win are just hating LBJ. Lebron guarded Derrick rose 1on1 and did a good job.

[jstern]

Lebron would kill Jordan, every time they play. But do not under estimate someone just because they're 49. They definitely would not be able to play at a high level consecutive days in row, and definitely not 82 games in a season, but for one game, day, they can be very effective. In a game to 11, Jordan can get lucky hit all his jumpers, Lebron might miss more than he's used to and Jordan wins. 49 is not 72 where a person is super slowmo, and might break apart if they're bumped. Sometimes we see it in that light. The biggest factor why a professional athlete retires is really because their body cannot take a full season, but for one game they can be effective. Look at Jordan stats as a Wizard on games where he was rested, and on days where he played consecutive games.

[PistonsFan#21]

LOL! some of the guys on here are clearly stupid. MJ wasnt even a top 10 player in the NBA 10 years ago. And 10 years later you excpect him to beat an arguably top 2 player in the NBA who shoots over 50%FG and averages close to 30ppg? :facepalm

And dont even bring this halfcourt BS. You guys act as if Lebron only scores when he is on a fastbreak. Lebron is stronger, faster, quicker, jumps higher, bigger, etc. How is MJ gonna stop him from scoring or how is MJ gonna score on him? MJ sure wouldnt be able to post up Jordan and he sure wouldnt be able to drive past him using speed and quickness. Someone tell me how he would beat Lebron please.

[OldSchoolBBall]

LOL! some of the guys on here are clearly stupid. MJ wasnt even a top 10 player in the NBA 10 years ago. And 10 years later you excpect him to beat an arguably top 2 player in the NBA who shoots over 50%FG and averages close to 30ppg? :facepalm

And dont even bring this halfcourt BS. You guys act as if Lebron only scores when he is on a fastbreak. Lebron is stronger, faster, quicker, jumps higher, bigger, etc. How is MJ gonna stop him from scoring or how is MJ gonna score on him? MJ sure wouldnt be able to post up Jordan and he sure wouldnt be able to drive past him using speed and quickness. Someone tell me how he would beat Lebron please.

Jordan could certainly post up Lebron. Get real.

[Elmer Fudd]

LOL! some of the guys on here are clearly stupid. MJ wasnt even a top 10 player in the NBA 10 years ago. And 10 years later you excpect him to beat an arguably top 2 player in the NBA who shoots over 50%FG and averages close to 30ppg? :facepalm

And dont even bring this halfcourt BS. You guys act as if Lebron only scores when he is on a fastbreak. Lebron is stronger, faster, quicker, jumps higher, bigger, etc. How is MJ gonna stop him from scoring or how is MJ gonna score on him? MJ sure wouldnt be able to post up Jordan and he sure wouldnt be able to drive past him using speed and quickness. Someone tell me how he would beat Lebron please.

Cweawy, he would dwibble past Webwon vewy vewy easiwy. Hehehehehe

[nathanjizzle]

dont forget to consider jordan gets to train for 1 year.

[AlphaWolf24]

LOL! some of the guys on here are clearly stupid. MJ wasnt even a top 10 player in the NBA 10 years ago. And 10 years later you excpect him to beat an arguably top 2 player in the NBA who shoots over 50%FG and averages close to 30ppg? :facepalm

And dont even bring this halfcourt BS. You guys act as if Lebron only scores when he is on a fastbreak. Lebron is stronger, faster, quicker, jumps higher, bigger, etc. How is MJ gonna stop him from scoring or how is MJ gonna score on him? MJ sure wouldnt be able to post up Jordan and he sure wouldnt be able to drive past him using speed and quickness. Someone tell me how he would beat Lebron please.

cot damn....how hard is it for you guys to understand..



this is not a 82 game season 5 on 5 full court game....who cares what MJ did 10 years ago during a 82 game season playing Full Court 5 on 5...




we are talking about one on one...MJ is playing only 15 - 20 minutes of basketball without a Full Court aspect....he could easily use his post game and score on Lebron...Lebron would not be able to rely on his ....and Lebron would not be able to use his speed as often..

MJ takes this ...easier then people expect.

[MaxFly]

As I stated before.... MJ won't win. He just won't get killed like some are alluding too. However.... if MJ did happen to get hot, he wins handily, and vice versa. Although, I see MJ getting hot on quick mid range jumpers and post up moves, than Bron getting hot on 3pt shots and pull ups.

So again, just to clarify... you see nearly 50 year old Jordan managing to keep 26 year old Lebron in front of him and forcing him to take pull ups and 3 point shots. I'm guessing that Jordan will be guarding him from 3 feet away and letting him take open shots.

[MaxFly]

dont forget to consider jordan gets to train for 1 year.

And he's 50... so it's very likely that he'll injure himself during the rigorous training he would have to undertake and that the game would never happen. :facepalm

Lol, I'm joking... but come on people. Let's be real for one thread.

Next Euroleague will come in and say that V-Span would beat LeBron in a one on one as well.

[imdaman99]

sure, jordan would strain his back first and beg charlie sheen to put on his underwear for him and say WINNING. and jordan will win. yeah, didnt make any sense, just like mj beating lebron right now :facepalm

[MaxFly]

we are talking about one on one...MJ is playing only 15 - 20 minutes of basketball without a Full Court aspect....he could easily use his post game and score on Lebron...Lebron would not be able to rely on his ....and Lebron would not be able to use his speed as often..

MJ takes this ...easier then people expect.

So you would also agree than that a 50 year old Jordan would easily take a game against a fully healthy Kobe right now because Jordan would just use his post game and score on him every time. Yeah, Kobe is very skilled, so Jordan's superior skill might not give him an easy win, but it would give him a win for sure.

[goldenboy_smith]

jordan is nice but lebron would win NOW. Jordan is expired but WAS the best.

[PowerGlove]

Dead serious.

Playing the lanes is different than playing one on one defense. There are a number of examples I can post to show this, as I'm sure somebody will counter with a highlight reel that proves little. But in the times I've seen him attempt to guard a smaller player, faster player, or multi skilled offensive player, I cringe.

You might cringe but he's effective.

[donald_trump]

lebron is the best man to man defender in the league outside of igoudala.

lol this thread is hilarious. andgar literally praises anyone who agrees with him while talks about the rest of the posters in here as if they're stupid. take a look at yourself asshole. youre suggesting a 50 year old can beat the best basketball player in the world at the moment, not to mention that he's probably top 5 all time in terms of basketball ability, so hes right there with jordan at his best.

have you ever played one on one? seriously? the quicker guy wins 90% of the time when they are evenly matched elsewhere.

give lebron the ball to start and he'd get a dunk every time blowing by jordan. if jordan decides to fade off, are you telling me lebron can't hit 18 foot uncontested jumpers lol. if he plays up on lebron, dunk every time. if he backs off, splash.

it goes to show how retarded america and nba fans are. they are honestly entertaining this debate and insulting one of the greatest basketball players of all time in lebron to actually insinuate he could be beat by a 50 year old.

gtfo lol.

not to mention that lebron is essentially the perfect one on one player. 6'8, 260lbs and as quick as guards, while being as strong as forwards.

[PistonsFan#21]

Jordan could certainly post up Lebron. Get real.

How would he post him up? are you f*ckin serious? the guy is 50 years old...do you excpect him to back down Lebron who outweighs him by 30 to 40 pounds and who is still in his athletic prime?

or do you excpect him to elevate over Lebron and drain contested fade aways all game long?

[PistonsFan#21]

cot damn....how hard is it for you guys to understand..



this is not a 82 game season 5 on 5 full court game....who cares what MJ did 10 years ago during a 82 game season playing Full Court 5 on 5...




we are talking about one on one...MJ is playing only 15 - 20 minutes of basketball without a Full Court aspect....he could easily use his post game and score on Lebron...Lebron would not be able to rely on his ....and Lebron would not be able to use his speed as often..

MJ takes this ...easier then people expect.

so MJ could post up Lebron even though Jordan is 20 years past his athletic prime but Lebron couldnt even though he is in his athletic prime and still training and playing at a high level?

ok i get your point :applause:

[donald_trump]

can someone post that story about jordan playing one on one against one of the bulls scrubs back in the early 90's. the other guy was like 6'8 and 220lbs compared to jordan if i can remember, and they ended up playing 11-10 in their only one on one match.

the guy asked if he could play jordan again, and jordan replied with something like "hell no, so you can tell people you beat michael jordan. what do i tell my kids if i lose to you? i lost to *insert name*. they look at me like who is that".

[OldSchoolBBall]

How would he post him up? are you f*ckin serious? the guy is 50 years old...do you excpect him to back down Lebron who outweighs him by 30 to 40 pounds and who is still in his athletic prime?

or do you excpect him to elevate over Lebron and drain contested fade aways all game long?

How was Kobe abusing Bron in the post a year or so ago when Lebron outweighs him by even more than he would outweigh MJ? Jordan will be able to post up and get shots off one-on-one until he's like 55 at least. Especially if he has a year to train.

Note that I am NOT saying that MJ would beat Lebron. But he could certainly post him up and get decent looks.

[DevilsAssassin]

You sure?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAbojIyN1zY
http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/negged/grand/di-B1RF.gif

[coin24]

Actual 1 on 1, I'd say lebron would have to win, although Jordan would mind fu*k him badly:lol come on he's 50yo lol..

But I have to agree, Jordan could post that chump up all day long. Lebron can't even post up on Kidd or barea, the hell is he going to do against Jordan??!?:roll:

[andgar923]

lebron is the best man to man defender in the league outside of igoudala.

lol this thread is hilarious. andgar literally praises anyone who agrees with him while talks about the rest of the posters in here as if they're stupid. take a look at yourself asshole. youre suggesting a 50 year old can beat the best basketball player in the world at the moment, not to mention that he's probably top 5 all time in terms of basketball ability, so hes right there with jordan at his best.

have you ever played one on one? seriously? the quicker guy wins 90% of the time when they are evenly matched elsewhere.

give lebron the ball to start and he'd get a dunk every time blowing by jordan. if jordan decides to fade off, are you telling me lebron can't hit 18 foot uncontested jumpers lol. if he plays up on lebron, dunk every time. if he backs off, splash.

it goes to show how retarded america and nba fans are. they are honestly entertaining this debate and insulting one of the greatest basketball players of all time in lebron to actually insinuate he could be beat by a 50 year old.

gtfo lol.

not to mention that lebron is essentially the perfect one on one player. 6'8, 260lbs and as quick as guards, while being as strong as forwards.

You sound hurt.:blah

you keep basing all of this on athleticism and size, but keep failing to realize that Bron is a limited offensive scorer.

And of course I've played one on one... have you? :confusedshrug:

Speed can be a tool i agree. But one also needs to know how to apply it, and Bron isn't that good, and MJ is that much smarter... athleticism or not. Of course he won't be able to keep up with him 100% of the time, nobody has stated that. But he'll be able to keep him from driving enough to force Bron into a jump shooter which he is notoriously infamous for. MJ would give him 2ft of space if he had too and his chances of winning increase tremendously cause Bron will take the bait and actually take the jumper.

I've seen lesser defenders than MJ keep Bron from driving.
I've seen far lesser offensive players driving and scoring on Bron at will.

MJ out of shape and without playing ball was scoring on younger more athletic players with ease. If he took a year to get in shape, rehab and get into a rhythm, chances are he won't win... but he won't get slaughtered like many may think. And as I've stated before, if he gets hot, he doesn't just have a chance to win... he WILL win... 50 years of age or not.

Clearly some of you haven't played against some old timer with game.

[donald_trump]

How was Kobe abusing Bron in the post a year or so ago when Lebron outweighs him by even more than he would outweigh MJ? Jordan will be able to post up and get shots off one-on-one until he's like 55 at least. Especially if he has a year to train.

Note that I am NOT saying that MJ would beat Lebron. But he could certainly post him up and get decent looks.

i at least thought you'd be sensible about it, since you usually are.

kobe didnt abuse lebron in the post. kobe had to chuck up rainbows over lebron just to get shots to go. and thats exactly what the highlight was in all their post match ups. kobe hitting an absolutely ridiculous huge arcing rainbow shot over bron. that's going in 1/10 or 2/10 times.



You sound hurt.

you keep basing all of this on athleticism and size, but keep failing to realize that Bron is a limited offensive scorer.

And of course I've played one on one... have you?

Speed can be a tool i agree. But one also needs to know how to apply it, and Bron isn't that good, and MJ is that much smarter... athleticism or not. Of course he won't be able to keep up with him 100% of the time, nobody has stated that. But he'll be able to keep him from driving enough to force Bron into a jump shooter which he is notoriously infamous for. MJ would give him 2ft of space if he had too and his chances of winning increase tremendously cause Bron will take the bait and actually take the jumper.

I've seen lesser defenders than MJ keep Bron from driving.
I've seen far lesser offensive players driving and scoring on Bron at will.

MJ out of shape and without playing ball was scoring on younger more athletic players with ease. If he took a year to get in shape, rehab and get into a rhythm, chances are he won't win... but he won't get slaughtered like many may think. And as I've stated before, if he gets hot, he doesn't just have a chance to win... he WILL win... 50 years of age or not.

Clearly some of you haven't played against some old timer with game.

hurt about what lol? im not hurt, im just amazed at how someone can be soo stupid. you're the biggest fanboy of anything i've ever seen. you campaign behind jordan and apple so hard its hilarious. its as if they are your blood.

one needs to know how to apply speed? are you seriously this retarded? what do you think professional athletes learn? particular one that is the best at his craft? what in the world is lebron good at? seriously.
because as i see it, you are saying he is limited offensively, somewhat unskilled. and now you are saying he doesnt know how to use his athletic abilities.
if this is the case, how does lebron even score in the league? and how does he do it well enough that he is considered the best player in the league? you are making him out to be a nobody lol.

yeah you've seen lesser defenders stop bron from driving. thats great. mj is 50, and would be the worst defender in the league if he came back. not to mention, lebron has to worry about 4 other guys on the court stopping him, not just a 1 on 1.

you're an idiot. i bet you probably think sugar ray leonard could beat mayweather or pacquiao right now.

[andgar923]

i at least thought you'd be sensible about it, since you usually are.

kobe didnt abuse lebron in the post. kobe had to chuck up rainbows over lebron just to get shots to go. and thats exactly what the highlight was in all their post match ups. kobe hitting an absolutely ridiculous huge arcing rainbow shot over bron. that's going in 1/10 or 2/10 times.




hurt about what lol? im not hurt, im just amazed at how someone can be soo stupid. you're the biggest fanboy of anything i've ever seen. you campaign behind jordan and apple so hard its hilarious. its as if they are your blood.

one needs to know how to apply speed? are you seriously this retarded? what do you think professional athletes learn? particular one that is the best at his craft? what in the world is lebron good at? seriously.
because as i see it, you are saying he is limited offensively, somewhat unskilled. and now you are saying he doesnt know how to use his athletic abilities.
if this is the case, how does lebron even score in the league? and how does he do it well enough that he is considered the best player in the league? you are making him out to be a nobody lol.

yeah you've seen lesser defenders stop bron from driving. thats great. mj is 50, and would be the worst defender in the league if he came back. not to mention, lebron has to worry about 4 other guys on the court stopping him, not just a 1 on 1.

you're an idiot. i bet you probably think sugar ray leonard could beat mayweather or pacquiao right now.

YOu simply don't understand basketball its that simple. Or at the very least you haven't played enough one on one to fully understand.

[LedBalls]

Don't understand the "it's half court, so LeBron's speed/athleticism do not matter" argument.
NBA games aren't played like this
http://oi41.tinypic.com/if0ktk.jpg



they're played like half court games
http://oi41.tinypic.com/30aam8j.jpg

[AlphaWolf24]

Don't understand the "it's half court, so LeBron's speed/athleticism do not matter" argument.
NBA games aren't played like this
http://oi41.tinypic.com/if0ktk.jpg



they're played like half court games
http://oi41.tinypic.com/30aam8j.jpg

:facepalm




because one on one you always are faced up to start...in other words you always now where your opponent is, there is no off ball movement or swinging of the ball from one side of the court to the other....there is no distance to overcome while closing out your opponent when the ball is swung from one side to the other...defense is much easier as you can always start faced up with your opponent and back off forcing him to shoot from the outside..

there is no open court opportunities... no ther players to worry about , just a single opponent with no other factors..




Jordan with an advanced skillset at an advanced age with no time constraint, he could easily get to his spot and get his shot..or any shot he wanted....those picking Lebron over MJ based on MJ's age, clearly have no idea about Basketball...or sports in General.



the quoted post proves my point.

[7_cody]

There is no doubt that MJ at THIS CURRENT STAGE, at his current age, is not near the player LeBron is.

However, 1 on 1, it's a totally different game. LeBron would win, for sure, just because MJ is old as hell, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if MJ held his own. I'm confident MJ would embarrass him plenty, but I don't think he wins.

LeBron is not very good 1 on 1

[7_cody]

lebron is the best man to man defender in the league outside of igoudala.

lol this thread is hilarious. andgar literally praises anyone who agrees with him while talks about the rest of the posters in here as if they're stupid. take a look at yourself asshole. youre suggesting a 50 year old can beat the best basketball player in the world at the moment, not to mention that he's probably top 5 all time in terms of basketball ability, so hes right there with jordan at his best.

have you ever played one on one? seriously? the quicker guy wins 90% of the time when they are evenly matched elsewhere.

give lebron the ball to start and he'd get a dunk every time blowing by jordan. if jordan decides to fade off, are you telling me lebron can't hit 18 foot uncontested jumpers lol. if he plays up on lebron, dunk every time. if he backs off, splash.

it goes to show how retarded america and nba fans are. they are honestly entertaining this debate and insulting one of the greatest basketball players of all time in lebron to actually insinuate he could be beat by a 50 year old.

gtfo lol.

not to mention that lebron is essentially the perfect one on one player. 6'8, 260lbs and as quick as guards, while being as strong as forwards.

You lack basketball knowledge.

I agree that people here claiming MJ at 50 years of age, or whatever he's at now, would win LeBron is hilarious. You're right -- there's no way.

LeBron would not blow by for the dunk. MJ is a saavy defender. He give LeBron space. A smart offensive player knows that means you should take the shot. Every time LeBron tries to drive inside, MJ would have the angle, he'd beat him there. If LeBron tries to knock him over, that's a charge. Seriously. I'm explaining Basketball 101 to you here. If MJ plays LeBron tight, then that means LeBron will easily be able to drive past MJ.

With that said, LeBron is not the perfect 1 on 1 player. You know both players will play great defense (assuming MJ gets one year to train), so what it comes down to is offense. Great offense always beats great defense. Offense includes things like a post game, a jumpshot, a midrange game, the long ball. LeBron has none of these, really. He would hit wide open shots, no doubt, any NBA player would, but he doesn't particularly excel at these. Most importantly, though, LeBron cannot create his own shot as well as MJ. He'd try to barrell his way in, he'd get frustrated

I still cannot believe you think LeBron is the ultimate 1 on 1 player :roll:

[7_cody]

How was Kobe abusing Bron in the post a year or so ago when Lebron outweighs him by even more than he would outweigh MJ? Jordan will be able to post up and get shots off one-on-one until he's like 55 at least. Especially if he has a year to train.

Note that I am NOT saying that MJ would beat Lebron. But he could certainly post him up and get decent looks.

<sarcasm> No, because posting up means overpowering your man and backing him down. </sarcasm>

[andgar923]

There is no doubt that MJ at THIS CURRENT STAGE, at his current age, is not near the player LeBron is.

However, 1 on 1, it's a totally different game. LeBron would win, for sure, just because MJ is old as hell, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if MJ held his own. I'm confident MJ would embarrass him plenty, but I don't think he wins.

LeBron is not very good 1 on 1

I agree.

[catch24]

How does speed/athleticism not play a factor in a 1v1? :oldlol:

Anyway, Lebron wins this with ease. He'd blow by/raise up over MJ every time.

[AlphaWolf24]

How does speed/athleticism not play a factor in a 1v1? :oldlol:

Anyway, Lebron wins this with ease. He'd blow by/raise up over MJ every time.

raise up and do what:confusedshrug:

[7_cody]

How does speed/athleticism not play a factor in a 1v1? :oldlol:

Anyway, Lebron wins this with ease. He'd blow by/raise up over MJ every time.

If LeBron had a great jumpshot, then you would be correct.

I wonder if you even understand.

[catch24]

Lebron's jumpshot was actually pretty solid this past season. Shot around 47% from 16-23 FT. This myth that he can't shoot really needs to stop.


raise up and do what:confusedshrug:

And finish over Jordan? :confusedshrug:

[Dave3]

Lebron's jumpshot was actually pretty solid this past season. Shot around 47% from 16-23 FT. This myth that he can't shoot really needs to stop.



And finish over Jordan? :confusedshrug:
Don't bother. Apparently LeBron isn't a great one on one player, or great scorer in the halfcourt. So many things have been said in this topic that would make you :facepalm from the ignorance. I've had someone tell me young LeBron couldn't blow by people, and always needed picks to score.

Apparently to some people, a jumpshot is more valuable in a one on one than slashing.

[catch24]

Don't bother. Apparently LeBron isn't a great one on one player, or great scorer in the halfcourt. So many things have been said in this topic that would make you :facepalm from the ignorance. I've had someone tell me young LeBron couldn't blow by people, and always needed picks to score.

Apparently to some people, a jumpshot is more valuable in a one on one than slashing.

:oldlol:

You can tell which posters have literally never picked up a basketball in their lives.

[7_cody]

Don't bother. Apparently LeBron isn't a great one on one player, or great scorer in the halfcourt. So many things have been said in this topic that would make you :facepalm from the ignorance. I've had someone tell me young LeBron couldn't blow by people, and always needed picks to score.

Apparently to some people, a jumpshot is more valuable in a one on one than slashing.

No doubt LeBron can hit the open shot. Do you think he has a great jumpshot, however? Does he have a great midrange game?

Do you even understand why it's important? Do you even understand why LeBron would not be able to just blow by Jordan for the dunk?

I'll give you a hint, if LeBron was such a great shooter, then defenders would play him extremely tight. That means that LeBron would always have an easy option for creating space, he'd have the angle to blow by his defender every time.

Try and imagine how MJ would guard LeBron. LeBron would hardly ever have the proper angle to blow by for a dunk.

I guess you were talking about yourself when you said most of us have never played IRL

[Dave3]

No doubt LeBron can hit the open shot. Do you think he has a great jumpshot, however? Does he have a great midrange game?

Do you even understand why it's important? Do you even understand why LeBron would not be able to just blow by Jordan for the dunk?

I'll give you a hint, if LeBron was such a great shooter, then defenders would play him extremely tight. That means that LeBron would always have an easy option for creating space, he'd have the angle to blow by his defender every time.

Try and imagine how MJ would guard LeBron.
1. LeBron has a very good jumper right now actually, but it doesn't even matter.

You're right, all Jordan needs to do is sag off and LeBron would never be able to drive. That's why LeBron never blew by defenders back when his jumper was crap (in 2004-2007). Defenders would just sag off him and he'd never be able to drive....oh wait...:facepalm

[Dave3]

:oldlol:

You can tell which posters have literally never picked up a basketball in their lives.
They can't seem to separate which parts of basketball apply to 5 on 5 and which ones apply to 1 on 1.

[7_cody]

1. LeBron has a very good jumper right now actually, but it doesn't even matter.

You're right, all Jordan needs to do is sag off and LeBron would never be able to drive. That's why LeBron never blew by defenders back when his jumper was crap (in 2004-2007). Defenders would just sag off him and he'd never be able to drive....oh wait...:facepalm

Are you seriously confusing 5 on 5 with 1 on 1?

edit: lol, what a coincidence that we both said the same thing

[Dave3]

Are you seriously confusing 5 on 5 with 1 on 1?

edit: lol, what a coincidence that we both said the same thing
How am I "confusing" them. You're saying it's EASIER to get to the basket with 5 defenders than it is with 1?:wtf:

[7_cody]

How am I "confusing" them. You're saying it's EASIER to get to the basket with 5 defenders than it is with 1?:wtf:

No, I said MJ would give LeBron space 1 on 1, thus taking away LeBron's option to drive. You thought I was saying that how LeBron is always defended.

[Dave3]

No, I said MJ would give LeBron space 1 on 1, thus taking away LeBron's option to drive. You thought I was saying that how LeBron is always defended.
What you just described is exactly how LeBron was defended until 2008. That never stopped him from getting to the basket. The same way people back of Rondo all the time now but that doesn't stop him from getting to the rim. If you're fast/quick enough it doesn't matter how much they sag off you, you can still blow by.

[7_cody]

What you just described is exactly how LeBron was defended until 2008. That never stopped him from getting to the basket. The same way people back of Rondo all the time now but that doesn't stop him from getting to the rim. If you're fast/quick enough it doesn't matter how much they sag off you, you can still blow by.

I don't agree. I think what you're thinking is a defender could give LeBron space, but if LeBron attacks, and the defender is not a very good defender, said defender might allow LeBron to get close enough for the blow-by. If I was guarding LeBron (which would be a nightmare!), I'd give him space, if he tries to drive, I'd continue to give him space every time I beat him with the angle. Most players are not good enough defenders for this. However, if LeBron is having a good shooting night, he'll just drain the shot over and over. 5 on 5 you are probably going to play LeBron tight, because you want to funnel him to the help defense. The problem with LeBron is that he's a great passer, and he'll set up an open teammate every time in this situation. 5 on 5, LeBron is hard as hell to guard for this reason. I'm not saying LeBron sucks 1 on 1, but there is not doubt that he is NOT a 1 on 1 player. What I am saying is that there are at least 20 players in this league that are WAY better than LeBron 1 on 1 -- it doesn't mean that they're better bball players, though

[catch24]

No, I said MJ would give LeBron space 1 on 1, thus taking away LeBron's option to drive. You thought I was saying that how LeBron is always defended.

Your argument would hold water if Lebron couldn't shoot. Unfortunately, reality defeats you. :oldlol: at the idea of a 50 year Jordan totally eliminating Lebron's penetration because of 'spacing'.

[G-train]

I can't believe this is a serious thread.
A candidate for the worst serious thread on ISH ever.

:facepalm

[7_cody]

Your argument would hold water if Lebron couldn't shoot. Unfortunately, reality defeats you. :oldlol: at the idea of a 50 year Jordan totally eliminating Lebron's penetration because of spacing.

Don't put words in my mouth -- I've always said LeBron would beat a 50 year old MJ

I never said that LeBron would never make it to the rim either. But he wouldn't be able to just blow by every time.

I've also said that LeBron can hit the open shot. We're talking about NBA players -- against me? Lebron is the GOAT 1 on 1 player -- see what I mean? For my standards, he has an amazing jumpshot.

[Dave3]

I don't agree. I think what you're thinking is a defender could give LeBron space, but if LeBron attacks, and the defender is not a very good defender, said defender might allow LeBron to get close enough for the blow-by. If I was guarding LeBron (which would be a nightmare!), I'd give him space, if he tries to drive, I'd continue to give him space every time I beat him with the angle. Most players are not good enough defenders for this. However, if LeBron is having a good shooting night, he'll just drain the shot over and over. 5 on 5 you are probably going to play LeBron tight, because you want to funnel him to the help defense. The problem with LeBron is that he's a great passer, and he'll set up an open teammate every time in this situation. 5 on 5, LeBron is hard as hell to guard for this reason. I'm not saying LeBron sucks 1 on 1, but there is not doubt that he is NOT a 1 on 1 player. What I am saying is that there are at least 20 players in this league that are WAY better than LeBron 1 on 1 -- it doesn't mean that they're better bball players, though
Um, if the defender continues to back up it's very easy for LeBron to build up a head of steam, switch directions with a two step and go up and dunk it very easily.

And it's not just LeBron, it's pretty much any NBA player. No NBA player with decent enough speed/offensive skill can be guarded one on one.

Offense>>>>>>Defense for a reason in the NBA. The only way any slasher is ever stopped is collapsing or help defense. Even if you're Scottie Pippen, if you don't have help defense, you're not stopping any quick enough player from getting to the rim.

[Dave3]

I can't believe this is a serious thread.
A candidate for the worst serious thread on ISH ever.

:facepalm
Apparently hate is just as blind as love.

[7_cody]

Um, if the defender continues to back up it's very easy for LeBron to build up a head of steam, switch directions with a two step and go up and dunk it very easily.

And it's not just LeBron, it's pretty much any NBA player. No NBA player with decent enough speed/offensive skill can be guarded one on one.

Offense>>>>>>Defense for a reason in the NBA. The only way any slasher is ever stopped is collapsing or help defense. Even if you're Scottie Pippen, if you don't have help defense, you're not stopping any quick enough player from getting to the rim.

Continue to back up? If you give LeBron space, and he tries to drive, then you have the angle to stop him. You should quick give him his space back, because he WILL easily blow past you. I don't think you know what I mean.

Do you know how Kobe and the Lakers guarded Rondo in the Finals? Kobe gave Rondo like 10 feet of room every time. He let him shoot any wide open shot. Obviously, this strategy wouldn't work on LeBron, because well LeBron is a more consistent jumpshooter than Rondo. Most NBA players with that much space would just take the shot and make it every time. Now tell me why Rondo didn't just drive in and dunk it? Is it because of the help defense?

A quick player that cannot shot WILL be stopped, easily, from attacking the basket. I can have my 14 year old son, who isn't half as fast as me, stop me from driving if he has the right angle. If, however, he doesn't give me space, I will just blow by him the second time.

That's not to say that LeBron can't shoot -- but when comparing him to greaet NBA shooters, yeah, he can't really

[catch24]

Don't put words in my mouth -- I've always said LeBron would beat a 50 year old MJ

Who's putting words in your mouth? I never said you believed MJ would win.


I never said that LeBron would never make it to the rim either. But he wouldn't be able to just blow by every time.

Yeah, no shit. If Jordan gave Lebron space, denying penetration to the basket, he'd just use his athleticism and raise over MJ. With relative ease too. This isn't a 40 year-old MJ with the Wizards; the guy is out of shape. Lebron would win this easily.

You do realize Jerry Stackhouse out of college beat MJ (around '97) in a 1v1 game?


I've also said that LeBron can hit the open shot. We're talking about NBA players -- against me? Lebron is the GOAT 1 on 1 player -- see what I mean? For my standards, he has an amazing jumpshot.

Against you or Jordan, isn't the point. Your entire argument revolved around Lebron and his jumpshot. By any measure, he's had a great mid-to-long range game. Better than Kobe this year, with the volume to actually draw a comparison.

[Dave3]

Continue to back up? If you give LeBron space, and he tries to drive, then you have the angle to stop him. You should quick give him his space back, because he WILL easily blow past you. I don't think you know what I mean.

Do you know how Kobe and the Lakers guarded Rondo in the Finals? Kobe gave Rondo like 10 feet of room every time. He let him shoot any wide open shot. Obviously, this strategy wouldn't work on LeBron, because well LeBron is a more consistent jumpshooter than Rondo. Most NBA players with that much space would just take the shot and make it every time. Now tell me why Rondo didn't just drive in and dunk it? Is it because of the help defense?

A quick player that cannot shot WILL be stopped, easily, from attacking the basket. I can have my 14 year old son, who isn't half as fast as me, stop me from driving if he has the right angle.

That's not to say that LeBron can't shoot -- but when comparing him to greaet NBA shooters, yeah, he can't really
All what you're saying is because of TEAM defense. The reason Rondo couldn't just drive was because the defense was waiting for him, not just Kobe.

Once again, no good NBA player can be stopped by just one defender (regardless of the defender). That's why they're in the NBA. If you can't agree on this point there's no point in taking the discussion any further.

[7_cody]

Who's putting words in your mouth? I never said you believed MJ would win.



Yeah, no shit. If Jordan gave Lebron space, denying penetration to the basket, he'd just use his athleticism and raise over MJ. With relative ease too. This isn't a 40 year-old MJ with the Wizards; the guy is out of shape. Lebron would win this easily.



Against you or Jordan, isn't the point. Your entire argument revolved around Lebron and his jumpshot. By any measure, he's had a great mid-to-long range game. Better than Kobe this year, with the volume to actually draw a comparison.

I don't know what you mean by just raise over him. He has to get to the basket first.

LeBron might make most of his shots, but will he make more than his opponent? I'm not saying he would just brick them.

[7_cody]

All what you're saying is because of TEAM defense. The reason Rondo couldn't just drive was because the defense was waiting for him, not just Kobe.

Once again, no good NBA player can be stopped by just one defender (regardless of the defender). That's why they're in the NBA. If you can't agree on this point there's no point in taking the discussion any further.

You think if Rondo and Kobe were playing 1 on 1, and Kobe played Rondo the EXACT same way -- 10 feet of space, that Rondo would just take it inside a taller Kobe and dunk it or lay it up every time?

Is that what you're saying?

[Lebron23]

The only Basketball players that 49 yrs.old Jordan is capable of beating are those Scrub NBA players and Street Ball players.

[Dave3]

You think if Rondo and Kobe were playing 1 on 1, and Kobe played Rondo the EXACT same way -- 10 feet of space, that Rondo would just take it inside a taller Kobe and dunk it or lay it up every time?

Is that what you're saying?
I'm saying he'd be able to get to the basket every time, yes.

Will he finish every time? No, because Kobe is the taller player. Height in a one on one is one of the biggest determining factors. I forgot to add "considering similar size" in my post, but that's because I've explained it 10 times in another thread that I thought it was implied.

Yes, if the players are the same size (or the offensive is bigger), as long as he's competent offensively, he'd score 99% of the time.

[7_cody]

The only Basketball players that 49 yrs.old Jordan is capable of beating are those C- Class NBA players and street ball basketball players.

Most D-league players would probably beat a 49 year old MJ. It's because he's 49 years old! Good lord!

MJ in his prime, for example, would never lose to LeBron 1 on 1. He'd make his jumpshots more than LeBron.

[catch24]

I don't know what you mean by just raise over him. He has to get to the basket first.

You don't understand what 'raising over someone' implies?

[7_cody]

I'm saying he'd be able to get to the basket every time, yes.

Will he finish every time? No, because Kobe is the taller player. Height in a one on one is one of the biggest determining factors. I forgot to add "considering similar size" in my post, but that's because I've explained it 10 times in another thread that I thought it was implied.

Yes, if the players are the same size (or the offensive is bigger), as long as he's competent offensively, he'd score 99% of the time.

I don't want to sound rude, but if you believe that Rondo can drive on Kobe who has the angle every time on defense and finish it over him every time, then you're wasting my time

[7_cody]

You don't understand what 'raising over someone' implies?

I don't know what it implies to you. I know what it means to me, and you can't raise over someone on the perimeter.

[TheMan]

Right now, LBJ would beat a nearly 50 year old MJ but prime MJ vs any version of LBJ and MJ teaches LBJ a thing or two.

[catch24]

and you can't raise over someone on the perimeter.

:roll:

[Dave3]

I don't want to sound rude, but if you believe that Rondo can drive on Kobe who has the angle every time on defense and finish it over him every time, then you're wasting my time
Yeah, I definitely believe that part, especially since I said the opposite :rolleyes:

But yeah, the first part I definitely do believe. If the guy backs off of you, just keep walking closer. You don't have to start from your drive all the way from the beginning. If he backs off, just walk towards him. At whatever point he stops backing off, you start your move towards the basket with your first step advantage. He's got to stop backing off at some point lol.

[TheMan]

he also has the rest of the team to worry about.

whats 205lbs jordan going to do when 260lbs lebron starts backing him down from the free throw line. answer is nothing.
Yes, we all know LeBron has an unstoppable post up game, oh wait...

[Dave3]

Yes, we all know LeBron has an unstoppable post up game, oh wait...
Strength matters for a lot more than post game. When you're driving past someone and they're shoving you, your strength and weight are very valuable. That's why despite almost never posting up from 2004-2008, LeBron's strength added a huge part to his game with respect to taking the shoving as he drove, and also taking contact and finishing on help defenders (though the second one doesn't apply to a 1 on 1).

[TheMan]

What I take from this thread more than anything is a lot of basketball fans don't respect LBJ, and a lot of it is justified, LBJ comes off as an arrogant douche who shrinks when they challenge him (2011 Finals).50 y.o. MJ is not beating a prime LBJ, prime vs prime, MJ won't lose to LBJ, he would mindf.uck LBJ so bad, he'd go home crying like a little bi.tch.

[bdreason]

Watching the first guy lose his mind was funny. I turned it off once Skip started talking.



And current LeBron would MURDER current MJ 1 v 1.

[bdreason]

No, I said MJ would give LeBron space 1 on 1, thus taking away LeBron's option to drive. You thought I was saying that how LeBron is always defended.


MJ could give all the space he wants, and LeBron is still going over, around, and right by Michael with ease.



And how is MJ going to score? I'd give a couple buckets if he could trick LeBron on an up-and-under around the hoop (assuming he could even get good post position), or maybe a baseline fader... but otherwise LeBron is going to be all over MJ on defense. It would probably be embarrassing, and nobody wants to see a legend embarrassed.

[nnn123]

Haha, Skip Bayless trolling as usual, I love that guy.

Seriously though, I could probably beat Jordan in a game of one on one right now, he's like 6000 years old

[donald_trump]

its hilarious watching people tell you that you dont have a clue about basketball when you tell them that a 26 year old, best player in the world can beat a 50 year old former great.
yeah im the one that doesnt know shit. lol.

mj has no shot. if they played 100 times, he would not win once most likely.

and lol at mj being called a great defender at 50 despite no one seeing him play for 10 years.

its simple. mj plays tight, lebron blows past him. mj backs off, lebron is going to hit a 18 footer 80% of the time unguarded.

[donald_trump]

Yes, we all know LeBron has an unstoppable post up game, oh wait...

lebron faces a double every time he gets in the post.

his post up game is not perfect. but in a one on one situation hes going to get a good look every time.

[Asukal]

Seriously though, I could probably beat Jordan in a game of one on one right now, he's like 6000 years old

No you won't! Current MJ could probably easily take on some current NBA role players 1 on 1. You? :hammerhead:

Of course he won't beat Lebron right now, even if he gets time to train.

[7_cody]

:roll:

What am I missing? Tell me what it means to 'riase over someone' in your eyes?

[7_cody]

Yeah, I definitely believe that part, especially since I said the opposite :rolleyes:

But yeah, the first part I definitely do believe. If the guy backs off of you, just keep walking closer. You don't have to start from your drive all the way from the beginning. If he backs off, just walk towards him. At whatever point he stops backing off, you start your move towards the basket with your first step advantage. He's got to stop backing off at some point lol.

Are you serious? How can you walk closer if your defender cuts you off? Are you saying to just keep attacking, attacking, attacking? I guess that could work, but even LeBron would get tired quickly.

It's probably my fault, maybe I'm not explaining myself well

Also, you did not say the opposite. Re-read your post or something. You said that you forgot to factor into height, blah blah, but otherwise Rondo, considering he isn't at a height disadvantage, can attack the basket at will and finish on 99% or w/e

[MaxFly]

:oldlol:

You can tell which posters have literally never picked up a basketball in their lives.

I'm not sure if it's that certain people have never actually played a one on one game or rather if it's that they have worked themselves into some sort of self delusion. I'm not convinced they actually believe what they are saying.

I get the feeling that if both LeBron and Jordan agreed to a one on one based on the conditions put forward by Skip, many here who are saying that Jordan would win would suddenly be saying, "He shouldn't do it... anything can happen... LeBron could get lucky... Jordan is 50, it's not going to prove anything... Jordan will probably let him win so that the torch can be passed on..."

This is one of the most inane threads I have read through in quite some time. :facepalm

[pauk]

http://i54.tinypic.com/2505p3r.jpg

[RRR3]

This thread. :facepalm What's next, Wilt Chamberlain's corpse would beat LeBron one-on-one? :rolleyes:

[Dave3]

Are you serious? How can you walk closer if your defender cuts you off? Are you saying to just keep attacking, attacking, attacking? I guess that could work, but even LeBron would get tired quickly.

It's probably my fault, maybe I'm not explaining myself well

Also, you did not say the opposite. Re-read your post or something. You said that you forgot to factor into height, blah blah, but otherwise Rondo, considering he isn't at a height disadvantage, can attack the basket at will and finish on 99% or w/e
There is no angle to cut off someone from the basket in a one on one. These "angles" are created by making the player drive straight into the help defense. If it's a one on one, the offensive player has the whole court, and every angle, to get to the basket. There isn't only one "angle" to get to the basket, especially considering these players are excellent with their lefts.

Secondly, I did in fact say the opposite. Look a few posts back, it couldn't be any clearer. "Would Rondo score everytime? No"

Hmm, that sounds like the opposite of "you're saying Rondo ...and finish it over him everytime" doesn't it?

[andgar923]

There is no angle to cut off someone from the basket in a one on one. These "angles" are created by making the player drive straight into the help defense. If it's a one on one, the offensive player has the whole court, and every angle, to get to the basket. There isn't only one "angle" to get to the basket, especially considering these players are excellent with their lefts.

Secondly, I did in fact say the opposite. Look a few posts back, it couldn't be any clearer. "Would Rondo score everytime? No"

Hmm, that sounds like the opposite of "you're saying Rondo ...and finish it over him everytime" doesn't it?
:facepalm

[L8kersfan222]

There is no angle to cut off someone from the basket in a one on one.
:facepalm

[HylianNightmare]

how is this thread still going?

[Dave3]

:facepalm
In context to NBA players, definitely not. How many stories are there of scrubs giving all stars a run for their money in a one on one just because of a size advantage? You think the best player in the current league along with that size advantage would have trouble scoring? You can't cut off a guy like LeBron from going to the basket in a one on one. He will get there literally every time if he wanted to. No "angle" is going to help you.

[MaxFly]

how is this thread still going?

Sometimes it's best to allow people to continue digging a ditch for themselves. If someone says something crazy once, they can always go back later and say that they misspoke or were just joking, but when you get people to write paragraphs of arguments to support and substantiate the crazy, it's much harder for them to later dismiss their moment of delusion. We're getting paragraphs, people. :applause:

[andgar923]

In context to NBA players, definitely not. How many stories are there of scrubs giving all stars a run for their money in a one on one just because of a size advantage? You think the best player in the current league along with that size advantage would have trouble scoring? You can't cut off a guy like LeBron from going to the basket in a one on one. He will get there literally every time if he wanted to. No "angle" is going to help you.

You can't honestly believe this.

Also (not directed at you, but in general) have any of you ever played against that old timer that was just killing everybody? One quick dribble... bucket. Head fake up and under... bucket. Get you off balance, cut the angle to the rim... bucket. And when you try to drive on him, no matter how fast and athletic you are, he's right there cutting you off before you even get there.

He's in your face, playing physical and aggressive taking you out of your rhythm. The old man you thought you were gonna kill is now making you work harder than that young cat with the And 1 moves.

[Dave3]

You can't honestly believe this.

Also (not directed at you, but in general) have any of you ever played against that old timer that was just killing everybody? One quick dribble... bucket. Head fake up and under... bucket. Get you off balance, cut the angle to the rim... bucket. And when you try to drive on him, no matter how fast and athletic you are, he's right there cutting you off before you even get there.

He's in your face, playing physical and aggressive taking you out of your rhythm. The old man you thought you were gonna kill is now making you work harder than that young cat with the And 1 moves.
The difference is we don't have NBA talent. Doesn't matter how crafty an old man is, if you're literally all world athletic and all world talented, you're going to kill him. The crafty old man game works on some of us yeah because we're not even close to the talent these guys have.

And how can you not believe this? Just in the other thread there was a video posted of young Shaq schooling prime MJ in a one on one. Yeah it was a scrimmage and it was for fun, but it's still clear MJ was trying to play defense. And it's not like Shaq was posting up, he was actually facing up towards the basket. You can see how hard it is playing defense one on one because at any point the offensive player can go up for a shot, and if you're not there to contest it hard at the basket, you don't have a big man behind you helping you out.

I feel like I've said this too many times over the last day, but offense>>>>defense in the NBA. Their offensive talent is way above what defenses can handle, especially individual defense.

[knightfall88]

10 pages of this? In conclusion, Lebron is a joke of a player

[ballup]

How to get ratings during a lockout:
Phase 1: State an absurd opinion while being extremely ignorant
Phase 2: ?
Phase 3: Profit

[Ruutu]

Does Lebron have any good sides on his game ? Reading some of these posts it seems like he is a worst basketball player in the NBA ? And yet before the "Decision" everyone wanted him on their team. :D

[TheMan]

Come on ppl, seriously, we're talking about a 26 year old vs a 50 year old.LBJ all day...26 year old MJ vs 26 year old LBJ and it's MJ all day.

Right now I can kick Jerry West old ass, a prime JW and I'll lose every game.It's that easy.

[AlphaWolf24]

Come on ppl, seriously, we're talking about a 26 year old vs a 50 year old.LBJ all day...26 year old MJ vs 26 year old LBJ and it's MJ all day.

Right now I can kick Jerry West old ass, a prime JW and I'll lose every game.It's that easy.


some of these people cannot grasp basic elementary rules....:facepalm


we are not talking about a Full 2 hours of playing intense full court basketball....we are talking about a game of 1 on 1...maybe 15 minutes of halfcourt basketball...

Jerry rice could still run a few off set route's and beat a much younger CB...maybe only a few routes not a whole game or a whole season..

http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/11/08/1108-jerry-rice-spyonvegas-credit.jpg

BHOP could still merk a lesser opponent for a few rounds....

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.aolnews.com/media/2010/03/hopkinsamflag420.jpg

Jordan could still beat most players (lebron IMO very handily) at an advantced age in a 15 min. game of 1 on 1...much like he owned current players in practice.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_V12fFWv2C-0/S7_4KCH-_NI/AAAAAAAAAiw/pEibvXFqLfs/s320/nba_g_jordan_bobcats_300.jpg

[RRR3]

some of these people cannot grasp basic elementary rules....:facepalm


we are not talking about a Full 2 hours of playing intense full court basketball....we are talking about a game of 1 on 1...maybe 15 minutes of halfcourt basketball...

Jerry rice could still run a few off set route's and beat a much younger CB...maybe only a few routes not a whole game or a whole season..

http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/11/08/1108-jerry-rice-spyonvegas-credit.jpg

BHOP could still merk a lesser opponent for a few rounds....

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.aolnews.com/media/2010/03/hopkinsamflag420.jpg

Jordan could still beat most players (lebron IMO very handily) at an advantced age in a 15 min. game of 1 on 1...much like he owned current players in practice.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_V12fFWv2C-0/S7_4KCH-_NI/AAAAAAAAAiw/pEibvXFqLfs/s320/nba_g_jordan_bobcats_300.jpg

So Jordan could beat Kobe too, right? :lol In b4 alphawolf makes excuses for Kobe.

[AlphaWolf24]

So Jordan could beat Kobe too, right? :lol In b4 alphawolf makes excuses for Kobe.


NO...Kobe and Lebron are very different players with very different skillsets....Lebron's game in a one on one enviroment is very non threatning...

and besides.....kobe don't get dunked on at his camps.





next

[RRR3]

http://a.espncdn.com/i/magazine/new/kobe_fan.jpg
:roll: :roll:



















:facepalm

[AlphaWolf24]

RRR3 :roll: :roll: :roll:






http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_313qHvgSgjc/TPq06Qe0L6I/AAAAAAAAAUo/oiiqOKcujR4/s1600/2010-11-28105644.jpg

deal wit it son...

[PistonsFan#21]

some of these people cannot grasp basic elementary rules....:facepalm


we are not talking about a Full 2 hours of playing intense full court basketball....we are talking about a game of 1 on 1...maybe 15 minutes of halfcourt basketball...

Jerry rice could still run a few off set route's and beat a much younger CB...maybe only a few routes not a whole game or a whole season..

BHOP could still merk a lesser opponent for a few rounds....


Jordan could still beat most players (lebron IMO very handily) at an advantced age in a 15 min. game of 1 on 1...much like he owned current players in practice.


Your examples are all wrong...
Jerry Rice wouldnt beat a top 2 CB in the NFL right now

Hopkins could merk a lesser opponent but a prime Lebron isnt a lesser opponent than 50 year old Jordan

And beating Raymond Felton in a 1v1 game doesnt translate to killing Lebron in a 1v1 too

[ZaaaaaH]

Your examples are all wrong...
Jerry Rice wouldnt beat a top 2 CB in the NFL right now

Hopkins could merk a lesser opponent but a prime Lebron isnt a lesser opponent than 50 year old Jordan

And beating Raymond Felton in a 1v1 game doesnt translate to killing Lebron in a 1v1 too

You are right those examples are all wrong

Jordan was/is MUCH MUCH MORE ELITE then Jerry/Hopkins. :D

[AlphaWolf24]

Your examples are all wrong...
Jerry Rice wouldnt beat a top 2 CB in the NFL right now

Hopkins could merk a lesser opponent but a prime Lebron isnt a lesser opponent than 50 year old Jordan

And beating Raymond Felton in a 1v1 game doesnt translate to killing Lebron in a 1v1 too


Rice could get open against a few top CB for a couple of plays....no doubt in My mind.

and skillwise..lebron is a far lesser opponent then players MJ has faced....by far.

[MaxFly]

and skillwise..lebron is a far lesser opponent then players MJ has faced....by far.

How many top tier opponents is Jordan facing at 50 years of age? Lol, again... let's stop pretending that this is 26 or 30 year old Jordan. We're talking about a guy who is reasonably old enough to be a legit grandfather. It doesn't matter how skilled he was... his athletic deficiencies at this point in time overshadow that. It's ok that you hate LeBron, but you're allowing that hate to push you to the edge of insanity or at least insane reasoning. Step away from the edge.

[AlphaWolf24]

How many top tier opponents is Jordan facing at 50 years of age? Lol, again... let's stop pretending that this is 26 or 30 year old Jordan. We're talking about a guy who is reasonably old enough to be a legit grandfather. It doesn't matter how skilled he was... his athletic deficiencies at this point in time overshadow that. It's ok that you hate LeBron, but you're allowing that hate to push you to the edge of insanity or at least insane reasoning. Step away from the edge.


No I'm bieng a realist...I've have plenty of great athletes compete at high levels into thier late 40's....

and I'm Not even talking about competing in a full game....i'm talking about 10 - 15 minutes of half court one on one :lol


Jordan is one of if not the greatest athletes in the past 30 years.....could he hand playing a 82 game season and chasing Bron over the court for over 2 hours??...no....

but 10 minutes of one on one he could absolutley beat Lebron...

this guy is 50 years old....http://mmavalor.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/herschel-walker-MMA.jpg

you telling me he couldn't still run over most NFL LB's for a few plays???...

get real...10 minutes of basketball and MJ would mop the floor with Lebron.

[rodman91]

http://aznbadger.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/rockybalboa4.jpg

Rocky Balboa stuff.

[donald_trump]

as someone said. stackhouse beat jordan out of college one on one. then there was the story of some scrub getting jordan to 11-10, and jordan not wanting to play him again in fear of losing.

it usually the bigger, faster, stronger guys that are going to be the better one on one players. and if you look at lebron, he's all that, and would probably be one of the best if not the best 1 on 1 player ever.

[scm5]

as someone said. stackhouse beat jordan out of college one on one. then there was the story of some scrub getting jordan to 11-10, and jordan not wanting to play him again in fear of losing.

it usually the bigger, faster, stronger guys that are going to be the better one on one players. and if you look at lebron, he's all that, and would probably be one of the best if not the best 1 on 1 player ever.

I can't believe stackhouse beat jordan in one on one.

kobe, still in high school, is said to have beat stackhouse one on one.

[RRR3]

Did anyone else just realize AlphaWolf said Jordan faced MUCH better players than LeBron? I thought Jordan played in a weaker era which is why Kobe was better, right Alphamutt? Oops!!!!! Whoopsie! We forgot to keep our agenda consistent, didn't we? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Can't wait to hear the excuses for this one. *eats popcorn*

[Bigsmoke]

yeah MJ was da HNIC

[7_cody]

There is no angle to cut off someone from the basket in a one on one. These "angles" are created by making the player drive straight into the help defense. If it's a one on one, the offensive player has the whole court, and every angle, to get to the basket. There isn't only one "angle" to get to the basket, especially considering these players are excellent with their lefts.

Secondly, I did in fact say the opposite. Look a few posts back, it couldn't be any clearer. "Would Rondo score everytime? No"

Hmm, that sounds like the opposite of "you're saying Rondo ...and finish it over him everytime" doesn't it?

Don't try to act like you know anything about Basketball, you clearly don't

You can't even grasp the basic concept of proper spacing on defense, even on 1 on 1

[7_cody]

You can't honestly believe this.

Also (not directed at you, but in general) have any of you ever played against that old timer that was just killing everybody? One quick dribble... bucket. Head fake up and under... bucket. Get you off balance, cut the angle to the rim... bucket. And when you try to drive on him, no matter how fast and athletic you are, he's right there cutting you off before you even get there.

He's in your face, playing physical and aggressive taking you out of your rhythm. The old man you thought you were gonna kill is now making you work harder than that young cat with the And 1 moves.

Someone gets it

[7_cody]

Catch24, I challenge you to explain to me what you think it means to "raise over someone".

You've been too afraid to give me your definition. Maybe you don't even know.

After that, I want to know how LeBron can raise over MJ from the perimeter.

[AlphaWolf24]

You can't honestly believe this.

Also (not directed at you, but in general) have any of you ever played against that old timer that was just killing everybody? One quick dribble... bucket. Head fake up and under... bucket. Get you off balance, cut the angle to the rim... bucket. And when you try to drive on him, no matter how fast and athletic you are, he's right there cutting you off before you even get there.

He's in your face, playing physical and aggressive taking you out of your rhythm. The old man you thought you were gonna kill is now making you work harder than that young cat with the And 1 moves.
:applause: excellent example..



mjat 50 would still be able to play 15 minutes of 1on 1 at a very high level...

[ZaaaaaH]

You can't honestly believe this.

Also (not directed at you, but in general) have any of you ever played against that old timer that was just killing everybody? One quick dribble... bucket. Head fake up and under... bucket. Get you off balance, cut the angle to the rim... bucket. And when you try to drive on him, no matter how fast and athletic you are, he's right there cutting you off before you even get there.

He's in your face, playing physical and aggressive taking you out of your rhythm. The old man you thought you were gonna kill is now making you work harder than that young cat with the And 1 moves.


True 1vs1 Master have this in their Arsenal which they can go to at ALL TIMES.

LeBron has no go to move, or his go to move is Top of the Key which is still inconsistent.

Jordan has the Post, One dribble Jump shot, and plenty of Footwork to get LeBron off balance.

[7_cody]

The truth is a lot of NBA players could easily beat LeBron 1 on 1. But most people on ISH won't be able to understand, or see why.

Does that mean they're better than LeBron? Hell no, LeBron has an incredible impact in any NBA game. He's hard as hell to stop when he has the right teammates and the right plays being called for him. He's a top two player in the NBA.

[AlphaWolf24]

LOL @ Alphawolf avoiding this post like the plague.


I avoided what??....(Looks up at your post).....


:rolleyes: I said Jordan played against far more skilled players then Lebron...


it has nothing to do with league wide Talent per team or Team strength leaguewide...


I'm talking about guarding skilled players and keeping them contained...




:facepalm (why do I even bother with the basketballillieterate)

[RRR3]

I avoided what??....(Looks up at your post).....


:rolleyes: I said Jordan played against far more skilled players then Lebron...


it has nothing to do with league wide Talent per team or Team strength leaguewide...


I'm talking about guarding skilled players and keeping them contained...




:facepalm (why do I even bother with the basketballillieterate)


So Jordan played against more skilled players than LeBron, a guy who has won 2 MVPS and been right there with Kobe for years when they have been playing at the same time, but Jordan played in a weaker era than Kobe? :wtf:














Owned.












(Opens pocket) Okay, son, get back in there.



























2EZ. Next.

[AlphaWolf24]

So Jordan played against more skilled players than LeBron, a guy who has won 2 MVPS and been right there with Kobe for years when they have been playing at the same time, but Jordan played in a weaker era than Kobe? :wtf:

Owned.
(Opens pocket) Okay, son, get back in there
2EZ. Next.


yes better skilled players.....Lebron does have certain skills that make him a great player....but not on a one vs one scenario....

he relys more on pure physical talents that are more valuable in a Full court 5 vs 5 atmosphere then acquired skill/ basketball smarts and deception in a 1 on 1game....

[AlphaWolf24]

Face it son, you contradicted yourself. Either admit MJ>>Kobe or admit LeBron would beat grampa MJ one-on-one. Pick one. :lol


MJ>Kobe


50 year old MJ>Prime Lebron 1 vs 1...


next

[Cali Syndicate]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuMH4NLXmNg

Look at him walk...doesn't really look like someone who has remotely the quickness in lateral movement to stay in front of Bron.

Only game Jordan at his age can beat Lebron 1v1 is maybe HORSE without dunking.

[MaxFly]

Don't try to act like you know anything about Basketball, you clearly don't

You can't even grasp the basic concept of proper spacing on defense, even on 1 on 1

One would either have to hope that Jordan backs off of LeBron an allows him to shoot or that Jordan would somehow regain the quickness of his 20s. CEO John Rogers didn't seem to have a great deal of trouble getting to the rim on Jordan.

[Lebron23]

This is one of the worst thread in the off season. The LeBron haters thinks that LeBron is going to be 21/6/5 of player in his 9th NBA Season. Current LeBron wouldn't let Jordan score a single basket.

[SpecialQue]

When I saw this thread, I thought it was going to be about the Bobcats losing tonight.

[inclinerator]

um maybe if jordan was still 40 LoL

[andgar923]

I must say that Bron's offensive game has improved from what I've seen. He seems a bit more 'polished' with better footwork. He's also better at reacting quicker at the defense and adjusting properly.

Now... I do think that these slight modifications of his offensive game will make it easier for Bron to win.

Having said that....

If MJ did get hot (which he could), he could still beat Bron. But that's only under the chances that he got hot. Under regular circumstances Bron wins, and from what I've seen these 3 games, he wins in an easier fashion than I previously thought.

[305Baller]

Jordan: "Oh no!"

:oldlol:

(i just watched Jordan vs the CEO guy)

[MaxFly]

I must say that Bron's offensive game has improved from what I've seen. He seems a bit more 'polished' with better footwork. He's also better at reacting quicker at the defense and adjusting properly.

Now... I do think that these slight modifications of his offensive game will make it easier for Bron to win.

Having said that....

If MJ did get hot (which he could), he could still beat Bron. But that's only under the chances that he got hot. Under regular circumstances Bron wins, and from what I've seen these 3 games, he wins in an easier fashion than I previously thought.

Even if 50 year old Jordan got hot, he would lose in dramatic fashion, even before the improvements in LeBron's offensive game.

[Boomerang]

Even in Jordan's prime, he'll be D'd up by lebron no doubt. The score will probably be something like 21-3 Lebron

[Asukal]

Even in Jordan's prime, he'll be D'd up by lebron no doubt. The score will probably be something like 21-3 Lebron

Now you're reaching homie..... Lebron got nothing on Jordan prime for prime. :no:

[Dragonyeuw]

The score will probably be something like 21-3 Lebron

Cocaine is a helluva drug.

[MaxFly]

Does anyone still believe that 50 year old Jordan would beat LeBron in head to head matchup, or have people grown up?

[Fresh Kid]

Does anyone still believe that 50 year old Jordan would beat LeBron in head to head matchup, or have people grown up?
Yes I believe that mj will still beat Lebron

[Mr Exlax]

Does anyone still believe that 50 year old Jordan would beat LeBron in head to head matchup, or have people grown up?

TBH, I don't think Jordan in his prime would beat LeBron James in a one on one game. That's just me though. I'll go with the bigger, faster, stronger and taller player in a one on one game almost every time.

[SamuraiSWISH]

TBH, I don't think Jordan in his prime would beat LeBron James in a one on one game. That's just me though. I'll go with the bigger, faster, stronger and taller player in a one on one game almost every time.
Not like skill has anything to do with it, right? And since when did LeBron become quicker and faster than Jordan? His foot speed, burst, explosion, first step isn't near Jordan.

Bigger, sure. But so was Pippen and MJ used to demolish him in one on one. Strength? Don't confuse mass with applicable basketball strength. Everyone who has played or talked about MJ knows how strong he is ... Plus his center of gravity is much lower. MJs mentality is that of someone who would flourish in one on one play, Bron not so much.

This clown keeps peeling the curtain back on his LeBron love. MJ in his prime wouldn't beat LeBron at all, sounds legit. The same guy who got destroyed in ISOs v.s. Jason Terry would have his way with the best player of all time at his peak? The guy whose game is a combination of Kobe and Wade?

[riseagainst]

Not like skill has anything to do with it, right? And since when did LeBron become quicker and faster than Jordan? His foot speed, burst, explosion, first step isn't near Jordan.

Bigger, sure. But so was Pippen and MJ used to demolish him in one on one. Strength? Don't confuse mass with applicable basketball strength. Everyone who has played or talked about MJ knows how strong he is ... Plus his center of gravity is much lower. MJs mentality is that of someone who would flourish in one on one play, Bron not so much.

This clown keeps peeling the curtain back on his LeBron love. MJ in his prime wouldn't beat LeBron at all, sounds legit. The same guy who got destroyed in ISOs v.s. Jason Terry would have his way with the best player of all time at his peak? The guy whose game is a combination of Kobe and Wade?

:roll:

:applause: :applause:

[Mr Exlax]

Not like skill has anything to do with it, right? And since when did LeBron become quicker and faster than Jordan? His foot speed, burst, explosion, first step isn't near Jordan.

Bigger, sure. But so was Pippen and MJ used to demolish him in one on one. Strength? Don't confuse mass with applicable basketball strength. Everyone who has played or talked about MJ knows how strong he is ... Plus his center of gravity is much lower. MJs mentality is that of someone who would flourish in one on one play, Bron not so much.

This clown keeps peeling the curtain back on his LeBron love. MJ in his prime wouldn't beat LeBron at all, sounds legit. The same guy who got destroyed in ISOs v.s. Jason Terry would have his way with the best player of all time at his peak? The guy whose game is a combination of Kobe and Wade?

Of course skill matters. Why would I include it though if I'm making a case for Lebron? I'll just go out of my way and say oh yeah Jordan is more skilled. That's idiotic because it's common knowledge. These are 2 great NBA players not just run of the mill guys. These are superb athletes. Mass will equate to applicable basketball strength most times. It's a one on one game so I would imagine LBJ would back MJ down more times than not. The people who played or talked about MJs strength were probably smaller than him so I could see why. As far as the speed thing, I'm looking at top speed. Yes, I agree that MJ is quicker though. The Jason Terry thing shit it happens. When you're the defensive anchor and a perimeter player you're gonna get burned from time to time. JT got red hot. It happens. But damn to try and use one or two games to sum up an entire career isn't really that smart to me.

I love both these players skills on the court. I'm a basketball fan so of course I love when the game is played at a godly high level. I'm a LeBron stan because I think that he could beat MJ in a one on one? I ain't a die hard to be considered a stan, but that's your opinion.

Clown my nicca? You're the one that came out of nowhere and you actually remember that I love Lebron. You keep pulling back the curtain on your love for me chump.

[Marchesk]

even in their primes i'd take lebron. how are you going to stop someone that big from getting to the ring?

http://cbsmiami.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/170825268.jpg

[sdot_thadon]

@swish: It's not that far fetched to think LeBron could beat him one on one. You do know Mj has lost games of one on one before right? Likely to players lesser than Lebron. Strength advantage Lebron speed advantage Mj. One thing though, Lebron has faced players with game similar to Mj. Mjs never seen shit like Lebron. He'd probably think dude was a robot or something. I think his d would effect Mj more than the other way around. Besides he'd be outweighed by around 40 lbs or so.......


And to the guy with the Diaw picture 2 questions.
1. Do you know what was behind Diaw in that picture and every other picture of Diaw guarding him whether you see it or not?
2. Did you catch the outcome of the series?

[Marchesk]

And to the guy with the Diaw picture 2 questions.
1. Do you know what was behind Diaw in that picture and every other picture of Diaw guarding him whether you see it or not?
2. Did you catch the outcome of the series?

All I know is that Lebron wasn't beating Diaw off the dribble, or bullying him in the post. The few times Lebron got to the rim with Diaw on him resulting in this sort of thing:

http://binaryapi.ap.org/de978c70de8d46a2a0c3104847e35051/512x.jpg

[2LeTTeRS]

Of course skill matters. Why would I include it though if I'm making a case for Lebron? I'll just go out of my way and say oh yeah Jordan is more skilled. That's idiotic because it's common knowledge. These are 2 great NBA players not just run of the mill guys. These are superb athletes. Mass will equate to applicable basketball strength most times. It's a one on one game so I would imagine LBJ would back MJ down more times than not. The people who played or talked about MJs strength were probably smaller than him so I could see why. As far as the speed thing, I'm looking at top speed. Yes, I agree that MJ is quicker though. The Jason Terry thing shit it happens. When you're the defensive anchor and a perimeter player you're gonna get burned from time to time. JT got red hot. It happens. But damn to try and use one or two games to sum up an entire career isn't really that smart to me.

I love both these players skills on the court. I'm a basketball fan so of course I love when the game is played at a godly high level. I'm a LeBron stan because I think that he could beat MJ in a one on one? I ain't a die hard to be considered a stan, but that's your opinion.

Clown my nicca? You're the one that came out of nowhere and you actually remember that I love Lebron. You keep pulling back the curtain on your love for me chump.


When do u get to full speed in a half court game?

[Glide2keva]

When do u get to full speed in a half court game?
This. Quickness helps you in a half court game. And Jordan is very quick and deceptively fast.

Prime for prime, Jordan is blowing past lebron every single time.

[SamuraiSWISH]

This. Quickness helps you in a half court game. And Jordan is very quick and deceptively fast.

Prime for prime, Jordan is blowing past lebron every single time.
Jordan isn't deceptively fast ... He's an out right blur on the court. Especially his first step. Possibly the best ever.

MJ is quicker and faster full speed than LeBron. Guy ran like a 4.3 or a 4.4 40 yard dash. Anyone telling you Bron is faster than MJ doesn't know what they're talking about or never saw prime Jordan.

Lol @ the one on one comments. MJ at his peak had the speed, quickness, off the dribble attack, finish at the rim game of Wade ... Along with the refined foot work, jumper, range, mid range scoring skill of Kobe. Yea ... Bron would win some games. But would he consistently get the better of Mike?

:no:

You can't pass to anyone in one v one. So Bron's most unique dimension and weapon is negated. MJ and Kobe are the best one v one players of all time. Lets not forget on ball defense. Another aspect LeBron can't compete with MJ or Kobe in regards to ... LeBron is at times slow laterally

[sdot_thadon]

All I know is that Lebron wasn't beating Diaw off the dribble, or bullying him in the post. The few times Lebron got to the rim with Diaw on him resulting in this sort of thing:

http://binaryapi.ap.org/de978c70de8d46a2a0c3104847e35051/512x.jpg
Maybe this guy had a little to do with that......
http://binaryapi.ap.org/3fc167664dc2416183e853b9ddf494c8/460x.jpg
http://binaryapi.ap.org/675a69b12fd54cffa6f98dbf1a7a2af4/512x.jpg
http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Tim+Duncan+2013+NBA+Finals+Game+Two+lTa4G788QYyl.j pg
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/130613234116-14-nba-finals-four-0613-horizontal-gallery.jpg

That's what was behind Diaw on any given possession. And that brings up another point......which Duncan caliber big had Mj faced in the finals? Don't worry I'll wait.

[SamuraiSWISH]

....which Duncan caliber big had Mj faced in the finals? Don't worry I'll wait.
What's the arbitrary situation of facing them exclusively in the Finals? MJ faced them in the conference playoffs.

Oh, and it was just 37 year old Duncan. Nothing absurdly special. More a presence in the paint on defense. MJ faced equivalent or better bigs than 37 year old Duncan many times.

Try prime Ewing, Shaq, Mutombo, Mourning. So try again young dumb buck. Oh FYI, your screen name is mad corny. The hell v are you a don of ? .... I'll wait.

[Marchesk]

That's what was behind Diaw on any given possession. And that brings up another point......which Duncan caliber big had Mj faced in the finals? Don't worry I'll wait.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjUbYdqPLOc

[sdot_thadon]

Jordan isn't deceptively fast ... He's an out right blur on the court. Especially his first step. Possibly the best ever.

MJ is quicker and faster full speed than LeBron. Guy ran like a 4.3 or a 4.4 40 yard dash. Anyone telling you Bron is faster than MJ doesn't know what they're talking about or never saw prime Jordan.

Lol @ the one on one comments. MJ at his peak had the speed, quickness, off the dribble attack, finish at the rim game of Wade ... Along with the refined foot work, jumper, range, mid range scoring skill of Kobe. Yea ... Bron would win some games. But would he consistently get the better of Mike?

:no:

You can't pass to anyone in one v one. So Bron's most unique dimension and weapon is negated. MJ and Kobe are the best one v one players of all time. Lets not forget on ball defense. Another aspect LeBron can't compete with MJ or Kobe in regards to ... LeBron is at times slow laterally

Ok Swishy I totally agree that prime Mj was a tad faster, in the same manner Dwade is/was. More agile, able to change directions a whole tier faster. Straight line speed, not so much. But if you think Lebron's lateral quickness is not good enough to guard Mj, how does he manage the quickness of guys like Rose, Parker, Rondo, Jennings etc. He's enlisted to guard the fastest players in the league at times. I don't believe Mj was quicker than guys like Rose, Parker, or Jennings and I hope you don't either lol.

[sdot_thadon]

What's the arbitrary situation of facing them exclusively in the Finals? MJ faced them in the conference playoffs.

Oh, and it was just 37 year old Duncan. Nothing absurdly special. More a presence in the paint on defense. MJ faced equivalent or better bigs than 37 year old Duncan many times.

Try prime Ewing, Shaq, Mutombo, Mourning. So try again young dumb buck. Oh FYI, your screen name is mad corny. The hell v are you a don of ? .... I'll wait.
For one the finals was the context of the criticism, didn't Duncan just make the all D 2nd team at 37? Must still be pretty good, shame you'd discredit him in the name of Mj but ok. You're actually a knowledgeable poster at times, seems like nostalgia will always get the better of you. What you mad for, pops? My username (sad you'd even mention it) is something you'd never understand old man. I'd stick to basketball......

[juju151111]

Maybe this guy had a little to do with that......
http://binaryapi.ap.org/3fc167664dc2416183e853b9ddf494c8/460x.jpg
http://binaryapi.ap.org/675a69b12fd54cffa6f98dbf1a7a2af4/512x.jpg
http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Tim+Duncan+2013+NBA+Finals+Game+Two+lTa4G788QYyl.j pg
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/130613234116-14-nba-finals-four-0613-horizontal-gallery.jpg

That's what was behind Diaw on any given possession. And that brings up another point......which Duncan caliber big had Mj faced in the finals? Don't worry I'll wait.
Jordan faced Ewing throughout the playoffs. 90 and 92 Ewing is better then old ass Duncan.

[AintNoSunshine]

Jordan isn't deceptively fast ... He's an out right blur on the court. Especially his first step. Possibly the best ever.

MJ is quicker and faster full speed than LeBron. Guy ran like a 4.3 or a 4.4 40 yard dash. Anyone telling you Bron is faster than MJ doesn't know what they're talking about or never saw prime Jordan.

Lol @ the one on one comments. MJ at his peak had the speed, quickness, off the dribble attack, finish at the rim game of Wade ... Along with the refined foot work, jumper, range, mid range scoring skill of Kobe. Yea ... Bron would win some games. But would he consistently get the better of Mike?

:no:

You can't pass to anyone in one v one. So Bron's most unique dimension and weapon is negated. MJ and Kobe are the best one v one players of all time. Lets not forget on ball defense. Another aspect LeBron can't compete with MJ or Kobe in regards to ... LeBron is at times slow laterally


Why not? quit hating

[andgar923]

Maybe this guy had a little to do with that......
http://binaryapi.ap.org/3fc167664dc2416183e853b9ddf494c8/460x.jpg
http://binaryapi.ap.org/675a69b12fd54cffa6f98dbf1a7a2af4/512x.jpg
http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Tim+Duncan+2013+NBA+Finals+Game+Two+lTa4G788QYyl.j pg
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/130613234116-14-nba-finals-four-0613-horizontal-gallery.jpg

That's what was behind Diaw on any given possession. And that brings up another point......which Duncan caliber big had Mj faced in the finals? Don't worry I'll wait.

YOu can't be serious. :facepalm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thzQ2OoP654

So we have a past prime, old unathletic MJ facing a close to prime (if not prime) Duncan and KG.

You telling me that old man MJ could blow by one of the greatest defenders of all time perhaps in his prime and dunk on the man some of you are glorifying, and Bron in his athletic prime can't beat an older out of shape Diaw and dunk on old out of prime Duncan? :biggums: :confused shrug:


Oh and…

http://youtu.be/dQePkBnD0vo?t=51s

[KNOW1EDGE]

HAHAHA.... I've seriously come to love Skip. He intentionally trolls and people think he really believes this stuff and argues with him. He would troll the sh*t out of this forum.


I think Skip knows he is trolling, but at times, he trolls so hard, that he REALLY believes what hes saying.

Im a HUGE Jordan fan, he is undisputedly the GOAT, no ifs ands or buts.

At his age right now, he couldn't cut it in the d-league, outside of taking wide open jumpers.

[andgar923]

if that vid is the best u can come up with then thats pretty pathetic

kg basically let him go by.

You're missing some key elements.

If that was Bron he would've held the ball and waited for KG, MJ just blew by him as KG closed in.

And Duncan tried to challenge him, but Mj was too quick to the rim.

Any way you want to look at it, the idiots here are saying that MJ never played anybody Duncan's caliber, when I just showed he actually played against Duncan himself.

Idiots here are talking about the reason Bron didn't beat Diaw off the dribble was due to Duncan's presence. That never seemed to stop old MJ from attacking Duncan. If Duncan tried to challenge him he just attacked him harder. If he didn't dunk on him, he just maneuvered around him, no big deal.

[Marchesk]

This is what Jordan does with two defenders trapping him and Ewing protecting the rim.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkEVn1VUBlE

Yeah, Lebron not's stopping that.

[andgar923]

This is what Jordan does with two defenders trapping him and Ewing protecting the rim.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkEVn1VUBlE

Greatest play of all time.

[sdot_thadon]

[QUOTE=andgar923]YOu can't be serious. :facepalm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thzQ2OoP654

So we have a past prime, old unathletic MJ facing a close to prime (if not prime) Duncan and KG.

You telling me that old man MJ could blow by one of the greatest defenders of all time perhaps in his prime and dunk on the man some of you are glorifying, and Bron in his athletic prime can't beat an older out of shape Diaw and dunk on old out of prime Duncan? :biggums: :confused shrug:


Oh and

[sdot_thadon]

This is what Jordan does with two defenders trapping him and Ewing protecting the rim.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkEVn1VUBlE

Yeah, Lebron not's stopping that.
I agree no one's stopping that. But it that representative of what would happen every time or just one play out of hundreds against Ewing that went that way? I mean can we just say since Lebron destroyed the pistons he'd just score 29 of the last 30 and Mj would be helpless? Or that Mj would get hot and hit 6 3's and Lebron would have to watch him shrug?

[andgar923]

Kudos for using an allstar game clip to demonstrate your point, totally comparable to nba finals defense maybe even better lol. Couldn't find any charity games? And calm down bro, no one is glorifying Duncan. You'd be a huge idiot to disregard his impact on D however, so let's keep this discussion in the realm of reality please. Oh yeah and allstar game clips please more allstar game clips.

What would Duncan have done differently if it were the Finals? laid him out?

MJ saw an opening and took advantage of it, are you saying that this doesn't happen in the Finals?

Perhaps its also because Bron doesn't see the opening and/or take advantage of the opportunity. I remember screaming at the tv a number of times because Bron wouldn't take advantage of opportunities. I'd shake my head in disbelief at how long it would take for him to do 'something' anything.

Remember when Bron exploded to the rim and Duncan rotated? what did Bron do? pass it to a 3pt shooter (Bosh) instead of attacking.

So YES that play is from an all star game.

But even then it shows MJ isn't afraid of attacking Duncan. Do you think MJ won't go harder at Duncan if it was the Finals, kinda like what Bron did?

Put Diaw on MJ on any point of the season, and he kills him every time.

Sickening, pathetic and embarrassing to watch Bron get locked down by Diaw.

Not underestimating Duncan's defensive abilities.

He's good for an old man.

I am disgusted by Bron's lack of aggressiveness and hesitation.

And since you asked for more All star footage:

http://cdn.tss.uproxx.com/TSS/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/kobe-lebron-block-3.gif

Btw

[juju151111]

Kudos for using an allstar game clip to demonstrate your point, totally comparable to nba finals defense maybe even better lol. Couldn't find any charity games? And calm down bro, no one is glorifying Duncan. You'd be a huge idiot to disregard his impact on D however, so let's keep this discussion in the realm of reality please. Oh yeah and allstar game clips please more allstar game clips.
Why are you only commenting on the all-star clip? What about 35 year old Mj owning Duncan and David Robinson. Mj out jumps 7' David Robinson at 35 years old:hammerhead:

[sdot_thadon]

[QUOTE=andgar923]What would Duncan have done differently if it were the Finals? laid him out?

MJ saw an opening and took advantage of it, are you saying that this doesn't happen in the Finals?

Perhaps its also because Bron doesn't see the opening and/or take advantage of the opportunity. I remember screaming at the tv a number of times because Bron wouldn't take advantage of opportunities. I'd shake my head in disbelief at how long it would take for him to do 'something' anything.

Remember when Bron exploded to the rim and Duncan rotated? what did Bron do? pass it to a 3pt shooter (Bosh) instead of attacking.

So YES that play is from an all star game.

But even then it shows MJ isn't afraid of attacking Duncan. Do you think MJ won't go harder at Duncan if it was the Finals, kinda like what Bron did?

Put Diaw on MJ on any point of the season, and he kills him every time.

Sickening, pathetic and embarrassing to watch Bron get locked down by Diaw.

Not underestimating Duncan's defensive abilities.

He's good for an old man.

I am disgusted by Bron's lack of aggressiveness and hesitation.

And since you asked for more All star footage:

http://cdn.tss.uproxx.com/TSS/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/kobe-lebron-block-3.gif

Btw

[andgar923]

It's all good man. I actually was anticipating that exact gif as I typed that lol. I understand what you're getting at, Lebron plays the game with an analytic mentality since he's a playmaker by nature. Mj played in a far more reactionary style, that's why he had a better ability to defeat double teams. Hakeem was one of the only other guys I've seen on par with Mj in this sense. So yeah Bron does hold the ball alot before deciding his chess move, but when he gets locked in he's capable of playing the same style.

Agree 100%

We saw that Bron can attack and be successful, we saw it in the last game towards the end when he decided to 'turn it on'. Which is why I and others were upset that he didn't decide to play that way from the beginning.

If MJ faced this same Duncan, we would've been saying that Duncan was "old and past his prime" because he would've made him look slow and old. But since Bron somehow didn't decide to be aggressive Duncan appeared to be a great defensive anchor. Prime or old Duncan, it would've made no difference for MJ he wasn't gonna stop attacking every chance he could get.

As far as MJ beating Bron one on one

[Fresh Kid]

http://cdn.tss.uproxx.com/TSS/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/kobe-lebron-block-3.gif


Memories that I will always enjoy.

[Mr Exlax]

I've thoroughly enjoyed reading the comments from all these Jordan stans, but yeah I still think prime LeBron would beat prime MJ in a one on one game. Not a thrashing or anything ljke that though. It would be competitive to say the least. If MJ wasn't able to stop Clyde, Magic, Nique and etc, I don't see how he's gonna stop LeBron.

[andgar923]

I've thoroughly enjoyed reading the comments from all these Jordan stans, but yeah I still think prime LeBron would beat prime MJ in a one on one game. Not a thrashing or anything ljke that though. It would be competitive to say the least. If MJ wasn't able to stop Clyde, Magic, Nique and etc, I don't see how he's gonna stop LeBron.
:no:

Magic and Nique played an entirely different game than Bron. They used their size and height to their advantage. Bron often times makes himself small. He doesn't know how to use his size to his advantage and bails out smaller or less athletic players far to often.

So when people say "Bron is too big and athletic" well, that doesn't matter as much in this case because Bron seems to forget how much bigger and how athletic he is.

[Mr Exlax]

:no:

Magic and Nique played an entirely different game than Bron. They used their size and height to their advantage. Bron often times makes himself small. He doesn't know how to use his size to his advantage and bails out smaller or less athletic players far to often.

So when people say "Bron is too big and athletic" well, that doesn't matter as much in this case because Bron seems to forget how much bigger and how athletic he is.

It's when the team defense is top notch that he doesn't really bulldoze his defender. Since he's started posting up, I haven't seen any one player consistently stop him. When the defenses leave him and his primary defender on an island, there's no bailing out now. We can thank the Dallas Mavericks for that.

[andgar923]

It's when the team defense is top notch that he doesn't really bulldoze his defender. Since he's started posting up, I haven't seen any one player consistently stop him. When the defenses leave him and his primary defender on an island, there's no bailing out now. We can thank the Dallas Mavericks for that.

Not completely true, sadly.

[Mr Exlax]

Not completely true, sadly.

I dunno bro. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Jordan stans are beyond delusional. It's honestly amazing. These are the same people that think he could come in and drop 50 in today's game still.

[2LeTTeRS]

I've thoroughly enjoyed reading the comments from all these Jordan stans, but yeah I still think prime LeBron would beat prime MJ in a one on one game. Not a thrashing or anything ljke that though. It would be competitive to say the least. If MJ wasn't able to stop Clyde, Magic, Nique and etc, I don't see how he's gonna stop LeBron.

And who has Bron stopped that makes you think he's gonna stop MJ? Newsflash -- elite offensive talent is very rarely stopped by one man, no matter how good he is defensively.

[Marchesk]

Jordan stans are beyond delusional. It's honestly amazing. These are the same people that think he could come in and drop 50 in today's game still.

Wilt would come in and drop 100 from beyond the grave. Postmortem GOAT.

[Mr Exlax]

And who has Bron stopped that makes you think he's gonna stop MJ? Newsflash -- elite offensive talent is very rarely stopped by one man, no matter how good he is defensively.

So with that being said, why only respond to my comment? I've seen LeBron slow down elite offensive talent. Players shorter than him and taller than him. Jordan on the other hand......he shut down player shorter than him. Secondly, where do you get me saying LeBron was gonna shut down MJ? If you actually took the time to read everything you would see that it would be an uber competitive game and nobody would actually dominate IMO. Bro, if you MJ would win I have no problem with that. I have a problem with MJ fans trying to say criticize me for not thinking MJ would dominate. It's all opinion based, yet you fukcs seem to think your opinions are fuggin fact.

[deja vu]

5-star thread.

Jordan's dead body >>> Prime LeBron. 100% serious. :applause:

[MaxFly]

I'm willing to say that at this point in his career LeBron would be able to beat prime Jordan in a game of 1 on 1. As to whether who would win more games in a best of, it's hard to say. Jordan's jumper was wet and it complimented his immense skill and athleticism. LeBron is a whole different brand of player with size, speed and athleticism. He doesn't have the body control that Jordan had, but he certainly has a weight, height and strength advantage. If only we could borrow a time machine...

[crisoner]

But if Jordan killed him he would go to jail.....unless his name was Zimmerman.

[SilkkTheShocker]

But if Jordan killed him he would go to jail.....unless his name was Zimmerman.

That depends. Did LeBron savagely beat Jordan while he called for help several times during the confrontation? If so, than no, Jordan wouldn't go to prison. In fact he shouldn't even be put on trial in the first place.

[crisoner]

That depends. Did LeBron savagely beat Jordan while he called for help several times during the confrontation? If so, than no, Jordan wouldn't go to prison. In fact he shouldn't even be put on trial in the first place.

I'd like to savagely beat your a$$ if we ever met. And i'll bring a gun as well cause I'll pistol whip the f*ck out of you.

[Fresh Kid]

Jordan stans are beyond delusional. It's honestly amazing. These are the same people that think he could come in and drop 50 in today's game still.
Lebron can hardly drop 50 today.

[MP.Trey]

Lebron can hardly drop 50 today.
Wrong. He hardly does drop 50 today. The ability is still there.

[Fresh Kid]

Wrong. He hardly does drop 50 today. The ability is still there.
I know he do but I dont think he has the heart to do it. We talking about Lebron James here.

[MastaKilla]

Wrong. He hardly does drop 50 today. The ability is still there.

Easy to say. Lebrons limited offensive skill set, mostly his inconsistent jumper makes it hard to really go off on a 50 point scoring tear

[Lebron23]

Easy to say. Lebrons limited offensive skill set, mostly his inconsistent jumper makes it hard to really go off on a 50 point scoring tear

He might drop 50 this year if Wade continues to decline. He's only averaging less than 17 FG's attempts per game, and a fewer Ft's attempts this season. The guys sacrifice their stats for the sake of team success. A ballhog and a low IQ chucker won't lead the Heat team deeper into the playoffs.

[Fresh Kid]

He might drop 50 this year if Wade continues to decline. He's only averaging less than 17 FG's attempts per game, and a fewer Ft's attempts this season. The guys sacrifice their stats for the sake of team success. A ballhog and a low IQ chucker won't lead the Heat team deeper into the playoffs.
So you saying Lebron never chucks?

[PistonsFan#21]

So you saying Lebron never chucks?

chucking as in forcing alot of bad shots? i cant honestly recall the last time Lebron did that. If anything he will become passive if his shot dont fall.

Name me the last time Lebron "chucked"

[Fresh Kid]

chucking as in forcing alot of bad shots? i cant honestly recall the last time Lebron did that. If anything he will become passive if his shot dont fall.

Name me the last time Lebron "chucked"
Some games during the playoffs.

[PistonsFan#21]

Some games during the playoffs.

lol nope. i bet you couldnt even name 1 game

[Fresh Kid]

lol nope. i bet you couldnt even name 1 game
He really dont have to chuck because of his stacked team and heavy pampering by the refs to be truthful with you.

[PistonsFan#21]

He really dont have to chuck because of his stacked team and heavy pampering by the refs to be truthful with you.


My point exactly. Plus he doesnt have a pure scorer mentality. Kobe on the other hand relied on chucking numerous times no matter how stacked his team was.

[Fresh Kid]

My point exactly. Kobe on the other hand relied on chucking numerous times no matter how stacked his team was
kobe never had a stacked team like the '13 heat though. Absolutely never.

[Straight_Ballin]

kobe never had a stacked team like the '13 heat though. Absolutely never.

Neither did Iverson but people bring up his shooting % like it matters under that set of criteria.

[Lebron23]

kobe never had a stacked team like the '13 heat though. Absolutely never.

2010 Gasol puts up better numbers than Bosh and Wade in the NBA Finals. And the Lakers had a stacked front court.

[Fresh Kid]

Neither did Iverson but people bring up his shooting % like it matters under that set of criteria.
Yea which is crazy.

[PistonsFan#21]

kobe never had a stacked team like the '13 heat though. Absolutely never.

He had a better 1st option than Lebron could even dream of having though and he still resorted to chucking. He chucked his team out of the finals in 2004 by refusing to play his 2nd option role

[Fresh Kid]

2010 Gasol puts up better numbers than Bosh and Wade in the NBA Finals. And the Lakers had a stacked front court.
but Im talking about the team as a whole, if the heat wasnt stacked then why they still won game 7 with bosh at 0 points?

[Fresh Kid]

He had a better 1st option than Lebron could even dream of having though and he still resorted to chucking. He chucked his team out of the finals in 2004 by refusing to play his 2nd option role
Shaq was starting to fade,everybody seen it when he wasnt the first option in 2005 with the heat, Malone was half injured, and payton was way pass his prime

[PistonsFan#21]

Shaq was starting to fade,everybody seen it when he wasnt the first option in 2005 with the heat, Malone was half injured, and payton was way pass his prime

Shaq was averaging more rebounds, blocks and had a higher FG% than his preevious year during the 3peat. The only thing that decreased were his points but thats because he was also taking about 4-5 shots less per game. A "fading" Shaq is still a better #1 option than Kobe.

[Fresh Kid]

Shaq was averaging more rebounds, blocks and had a higher FG% than his preevious year during the 3peat. The only thing that decreased were his points but thats because he was also taking about 4-5 shots less per game. A "fading" Shaq is still a better #1 option than Kobe.
Yea right it seemed to me that Shaq was mad and jealous at kobe in 04, especially of what happened in summer 03.