About this Wade > Kobe..

[TheMarkMadsen]

Am i missing something here? Do some people on this forum actually, factually believe that Wade > Kobe is true. Or are they just trolling?

I know i'm a bit new to these forums so i'm just curious. But these people do realize that come January Wade will be only 3 years younger than Kobe with 4 less rings and half the accomplishments? Wade isn't even considered a top 10 player of all time, arguably top 20. Wade has 13,908 career points compared to Kobe's 27,868.

Wade's career assist 3,472. Kobe's 5,154

Rebounds: Wade 2,783 Kobe: 5,829

Rings. Wade: 1 Kobe: 5.

And these are just simple stats of career totals that anybody has access to on NBA.com, not some of the more complicated stats that take more time and research, which will aslo lead towards Kobe > Wade

I think Wade is an amazing Player, but there is absolutly no argument for Wade>Kobe all time.

[EnoughSaid]

All time? No question. But Kobe has played almost twice as many years as Wade and he's had better overall teams more times than Wade.

[SAKOTXA]

There's another stat you can look at in NBA.com, my friend.

Kobe has played 7 more seasons than Wade. Bringing in their career totals doesn't help your case.

However career wise, yes Kobe is well ahead of Wade.

As of this moment? Wade is better. I'm feeling optimistic about this season, though.(If we have a season of course)

[Rnbizzle]

SMH @ this moron comparing career stats..

[Papaya Petee]

Since 08-09, Wade has been better then Kobe.

[BEAST Griffin]

If Wade played for the Lakers instead of Kobe the common opinion would be that Wade is better. It's the Laker bonus.

[Kurosawa0]

Since 08-09, Wade has been better then Kobe.

Absolutely. Wade's in the conversation for the best player in the league. At this point, can't remotely put Kobe there.

[Papaya Petee]

Absolutely. Wade's in the conversation for the best player in the league. At this point, can't remotely put Kobe there.
Kobe in 08-09 and 09-10 absolutely had a case for top 1-3, but so did Wade and he was slightly better. This year however, you're right.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Its fueled by a simplistic knowledge of advanced statistics that doesn't account for the level of defense Wade faced in the Finals.

[Duncan21formvp]

Am i missing something here? Do some people on this forum actually, factually believe that Wade > Kobe is true. Or are they just trolling?

I know i'm a bit new to these forums so i'm just curious. But these people do realize that come January Wade will be only 3 years younger than Kobe with 4 less rings and half the accomplishments? Wade isn't even considered a top 10 player of all time, arguably top 20. Wade has 13,908 career points compared to Kobe's 27,868.

Wade's career assist 3,472. Kobe's 5,154

Rebounds: Wade 2,783 Kobe: 5,829

Rings. Wade: 1 Kobe: 5.

And these are just simple stats of career totals that anybody has access to on NBA.com, not some of the more complicated stats that take more time and research, which will aslo lead towards Kobe > Wade

I think Wade is an amazing Player, but there is absolutly no argument for Wade>Kobe all time.

I don't think people mean all time, they are referring to maybe the 2010 or 2011 season and stuff like that.

[pauk]

did somebody actually say Wade > Kobe in terms of career? :lol

[Jacks3]

Kobe was better in 04,06,07,08,09, and 2010. Wade being slightly better than a well past-prime Bryant means nothing really.

[DMAVS41]

Kobe was better in 04,06,07,08,09, and 2010. Wade being slightly better than a well past-prime Bryant means nothing really.

wade was better in:

05
06
09
10
11

See...I can do it also.

[amfirst]

If Wade played for the Lakers instead of Kobe the common opinion would be that Wade is better. It's the Laker bonus.

Abosolutely not, Wade on the Lakers will need to develop a post game and a consistant jumper to be effective in the triangle. There's not many screens in the triangle for Wade to be at his best. And not consistant three point shooter to space the floor for him, so Lakers would be in a even worst then they are with all the weakness he brings in replace of Kobe.

Kobe is a great post and one on one player which is important for the successful of the triangle.

[Jacks3]

See...I can do it also.
Kobe was better in-

04
06
07
08
09
2010

He was better than Dork in-

00
01
02
03
04
06
07
08
09
2010

See...I can do it also.

[Andrei89]

did somebody actually say Wade > Kobe in terms of career? :lol

does lebron > kobe in the terms of career?

[Dragonyeuw]

Wade has 13,908 career points compared to Kobe's 27,868.

Wade's career assist 3,472. Kobe's 5,154

Rebounds: Wade 2,783 Kobe: 5,829



Wade has played 8 seasons to Kobe's 15.

[Rnbizzle]

does lebron > kobe in the terms of career?
In a way yes. In the way most people look at it, no. And he probable never will have Kobe's 5 rings. But 09-10 Lebron was a better all alround player then Kobe has ever been if you ask me.

[Andrei89]

In a way yes. In the way most people look at it, no. And he probable never will have Kobe's 5 rings. But 09-10 Lebron was a better all alround player then Kobe has ever been if you ask me.

I said in terms of career. I know Lebron was a better player that year than Kobe has ever been.

[Rnbizzle]

I said in terms of career. I know Lebron was a better player that year than Kobe has ever been.
Well if you look at career by asking yourself 'how good of a basketball player has x been'. Which is a very underrated part of player ranking in my eyes. Players like KG and Dirk sometimes get rated over Lebron in all-time greatness rankings, when neither of them has ever been as good as Lebron if you ask me. Isn't that odd? :confusedshrug:

[SAKOTXA]

wade was better in:

05
06
09
10
11

See...I can do it also.

:lol :lol :lol

[Andrei89]

Well if you look at career by asking yourself 'how good of a basketball player has x been'. Which is a very underrated part of player ranking in my eyes. Players like KG and Dirk sometimes get rated over Lebron in all-time greatness rankings, when neither of them has ever been as good as Lebron if you ask me. Isn't that odd? :confusedshrug:


Je hebt gelijk matie!

[Rnbizzle]

Je hebt gelijk matie!
Top. :lol :cheers:

[Vertical-24]

Kobe is still better, so I don't see what everyone''s point is :confusedshrug:

[BEAST Griffin]

:lol :lol :lol

So basically ring seasons apply to Kobe only and not Wade?

:lol

[32Dayz]

Wade > Kobe as a playoff performer.
Wade >>>>>> Kobe as a Finals Performer
Wade > Kobe offensively and defensively.
Wade >>>>> Kobe against the better defensive teams (Boston, Detroit)

Number of Titles as the best player on their team.
Wade - 1 (06)
Kobe - 1 (09)

FMVP's
Wade - 1 (06)
Kobe - 1 (09)

Number of Contender Worthy Casts
Kobe - 12 (97-04) (08-11)
Wade - 2 (06,11)

Wade > Kobe. :applause:

If Wade has 3-4 More Seasons at his current level and wins 1-3 more titles with 1-2 more FMVP's he'll surpass Kobe on most peoples GOAT list.

[Heavincent]

Wade < Kobe as a playoff performer.
Wade < Kobe as a Finals Performer
Wade < Kobe offensively and defensively.
Wade < Kobe against the better defensive teams (Boston, Detroit)

Number of Titles as the best player on their team.
Wade - 1 (06)
Kobe - 2 (09)

FMVP's
Wade - 1 (06)
Kobe - 2 (09)


Wade <<<<< Kobe. :applause:

Fixed.

[RRR3]

Fixed.
LOLOLOL How on earth is Kobe a better finals performer than Wade? :roll: :roll: :roll:

[32Dayz]

Kobe has one FMVP :facepalm

Everyone knows Gasol was robbed in 2010. :applause:


#1.
Facts :
LA only won a single game where Kobe outplayed Pau (G3 @ BOS) (and they both were terrible that game).

Gasol was the best player in 4/7 Games

Gasol was much better in the two most critical games of the series G6 and G7

(Gasol turned into Mr. Clutch in the Final 3 minutes of Game 7 scoring 8 points and coming up with a clutch block on pierce.
Kobe's only contribution in the Final 3 Minutes when the Celtics were fighting hard to tie the game or take the lead was 2 points and they came off a Gasol assist.

---------------------------------------------

#2.
Lets look at how both Gasol and Kobe performed in the 4 Laker Wins (2010 Finalz)

Kobe
26.5 PPG
10 RPG
3.75 APG
37%FG
2 SPG

Gasol
19 PPG
14 RPG (6 Offensive Rebounds Per Game)
5 APG
46%FG
2.5 BPG

In the Games the Lakers won Kobe played poorly and Gasol played well.


How can you with a straight face say Kobe has been a better Finals Performer or has played better against Boston and Detroit. :hammerhead:

[Heavincent]

LOLOLOL How on earth is Kobe a better finals performer than Wade? :roll: :roll: :roll:

Are you ****ing kidding me? First off, Wade has only been in two Finals, and he played like crap down the stretch in the 2011 Finals.

Kobe has four great Finals performances. Wade has one. This isn't even debatable.

[RRR3]

Are you ****ing kidding me? First off, Wade has only been in two Finals, and he played like crap down the stretch in the 2011 Finals.

Kobe has four great Finals performances. Wade has one. This isn't even debatable.
http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/6/15/heeheehawhaw128580646144869777.jpg

[Heavincent]

Nice cop-out you clown :oldlol:

Kobe >>> Wade

Deal with it.

[32Dayz]

Are you ****ing kidding me? First off, Wade has only been in two Finals, and he played like crap down the stretch in the 2011 Finals.

Kobe has four great Finals performances. Wade has one. This isn't even debatable.

Kobe didn't even need to play in his first 3 Finals for his team to win.
He has only "clearly" been the best player on 1 of his 5 Title winning teams (09).

Wades 2011 Finals Performance is clearly better then any of Kobe's outside of 09 and you can even make a case its better then all of Kobe's.

Also outside of 02 and 09 when has Kobe played well in the Finals?

[BlackJoker23]

Kobe has one FMVP :facepalm

Everyone knows Gasol was robbed in 2010. :applause:



How can you with a straight face say Kobe has been a better Finals Performer or has played better against Boston and Detroit. :hammerhead:
go back to realgm u clown 34dayz andrews or 230mvp whatever ur dumb names are. shaq's jizz needs to be wiped off ur face

[RRR3]

Nice cop-out you clown :oldlol:

Kobe >>> Wade

Deal with it.

When did I ever say Wade was better than Kobe (career-wise)? I didn't, because that's not even close to being true. I'm laughing because you have managed to convince yourself that:
A.) Kobe is still better than Wade right now despite a lot of evidence to the contrary
B.) Kobe is a better finals perfomer than Wade (funniest shit I've heard in a while). I don't even have to argue that one, deep down you know that is BS. :roll:

[Heavincent]

Kobe has one FMVP :facepalm

Everyone knows Gasol was robbed in 2010. :applause:


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

I know you're a troll, but anybody that seriously thinks Pau deserved the FMVP in 2010 is legally retarded. Just thought I'd mention that.

[32Dayz]

go back to realgm u clown 34dayz andrews or 230mvp whatever ur dumb names are. shaq's jizz needs to be wiped off ur face

http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/funny-celebrity-pictures-u-mad.jpg

[Heavincent]

When did I ever say Wade was better than Kobe (career-wise)? I didn't, because that's not even close to being true. I'm laughing because you have managed to convince yourself that:
A.) Kobe is still better than Wade right now despite a lot of evidence to the contrary
B.) Kobe is a better finals perfomer than Wade (funniest shit I've heard in a while). I don't even have to argue that one, deep down you know that is BS. :roll:

When did I ever say that Kobe was better than Wade in 2011? Are you ****ing retarded?

Kobe is a better Finals performer than Wade. It's not even debatable. Four great Finals performances > One great Finals performance

Yeah, you're an idiot.

[Deuce Bigalow]

this guy trolls on RealGM and PSD
34dayz and Andrew32, pathetic moron

[32Dayz]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

I know you're a troll, but anybody that seriously thinks Pau deserved the FMVP in 2010 is legally retarded. Just thought I'd mention that.

Because he was better in 4/7 Games?
Because he was better in 3/4 Games they Won?
Because he was better in the Final two Games of the series?
Because he was by far the best player in the G7 Clincher?
Because he came through in the Clutch in G7 single handedly saving the series for LA and preventing a Boston Victory Celebration?

Yea.. those are terrible reasons. :applause:

[RRR3]

When did I ever say that Kobe was better than Wade in 2011? Are you ****ing retarded?

Kobe is a better Finals performer than Wade. It's not even debatable. Four great Finals performances > One great Finals performance

Yeah, you're an idiot.

You talk about Kobe as if he's still the best player in the NBA, maybe you don't think that but then again whenever I read your post, I basically just hear "KOBEEEEEEEEE!!!!!" in my head :lol And if Wade wasn't so great in this year's finals, then...gasp!!!!....guess who gets less blame? Yeah, that guy! Sure you wanna go there? :roll: And ROFLMFAO @ Kobe having 4 "Great" finals performances. Jesus christ. :roll: Plus Wade's 06 finals is better than any of Kobe's finals by a large margin.

[32Dayz]

Kobe has one "great finals performance" (09)
one good one (02)
the rest are average to mediocre to just plain terrible.

[Heavincent]

You talk about Kobe as if he's still the best player in the NBA, maybe you don't think that but then again whenever I read your post, I basically just hear "KOBEEEEEEEEE!!!!!" in my head :lol And if Wade wasn't so great in this year's finals, then...gasp!!!!....guess who gets less blame? Yeah, that guy! Sure you wanna go there? :roll: And ROFLMFAO @ Kobe having 4 "Great" finals performances. Jesus christ. :roll: Plus Wade's 06 finals is better than any of Kobe's finals by a large margin.

Better than any of Kobe's Finals by a large margin? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!! HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE!!!!!!

Kobe has four great Finals performances. Fact.

Wade wasn't completely awful in the 2011 Finals, but he sure as hell wasn't great either. He just looks better because Lebron had the worst Finals performance I have ever seen from a superstar.

****ing idiot. Keep responding, I'm having a good laugh here :lol

[32Dayz]

I troll on RealGM and PSD
34dayz and Andrew32, pathetic moron

:cheers: Just because I dont share your opinions on certain topics does not make me a "Troll".

Thats a very narrow minded way to think buddy.

I can respect your opinions even if I disagree with them.

[RRR3]

bean>shaq
http://i36.tinypic.com/1ptcn5.jpg




Bean da GAWD is the goat
http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/3/22/2745d388-f7a3-40cb-aecf-15b661d48a87.jpg

[32Dayz]

bean>shaq

Shaq >>>>> Bean
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_OzWla_7GOKo/TUK-c_tVgdI/AAAAAAAAALU/CCEBUQZTzcw/s1600/Shaq+kobe.jpg
Shaq : Get that weak ish out of here.

[Heavincent]

And RRR3 claims he isn't a Kobe hater :oldlol:

"Kobe doesn't have four great Finals performances"

"Wade is a better Finals performer than Kobe"

"Wade's 06 Finals were better than any of Kobe's finals by a large margin"

Only a Kobe hater would say things like that.

[9erEmpire]

Shaq >>>>> Bean
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_OzWla_7GOKo/TUK-c_tVgdI/AAAAAAAAALU/CCEBUQZTzcw/s1600/Shaq+kobe.jpg
Shaq : Get that weak ish out of here.

of all pictures you showed a picture of Shaq fouling Kobe...lol

:facepalm

[Deuce Bigalow]

[QUOTE=RRR3]http://i36.tinypic.com/1ptcn5.jpg



lol @ that gif

but whats so funny saying that?
look at them without each other gives kobe a case

[RRR3]

Better than any of Kobe's Finals by a large margin? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!! HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE!!!!!!

Kobe has four great Finals performances. Fact.

Wade wasn't completely awful in the 2011 Finals, but he sure as hell wasn't great either. He just looks better because Lebron had the worst Finals performance I have ever seen from a superstar.

****ing idiot. Keep responding, I'm having a good laugh here :lol

:facepalm you are a sad delusional little man

[RRR3]

And RRR3 claims he isn't a Kobe hater :oldlol:

"Kobe doesn't have four great Finals performances"

"Wade is a better Finals performer than Kobe"

"Wade's 06 Finals were better than any of Kobe's finals by a large margin"

Only a Kobe hater would say things like that.

Pretty sure most people who don't have Kobe's dick shoved half up their brain would agree with me on all three of those statements.

[32Dayz]

[QUOTE=RRR3]http://i36.tinypic.com/1ptcn5.jpg



lol @ that gif

but whats so funny saying that?
look at them without each other gives kobe a case

Are you kidding me?

Shaq from 95-02 is better then Kobe at his absolute peak.
Hell.. you can probably say from 95-05 (Pre Playoffs) and you'd still be correct.
Its not really funny as much as its retarded and completely illogical. :facepalm

[RRR3]

my first neg. U earned it

" this niqqa hella mad doe"
Whatever, kaiiuu aka "Butthurt that LeBron left my crappy team"

[Deuce Bigalow]

Wade was a beast in the '11 finals, he just had a teammate lechoke the chip away

[Heavincent]

Pretty sure most people who don't have Kobe's dick shoved half up their brain would agree with me on all three of those statements.

I seriously doubt that shit-for-brain.

[32Dayz]

http://www.faniq.com/images/blog/f53e1247f534c1ad5c0a9d66d083f7aa.jpg

32Dayz dream trade scenario switching places with danny ferry

I dont want to be bald.. f*** that.

[Heavincent]

:facepalm you are a sad delusional little man

Everything in that post is true.

[Deuce Bigalow]

[QUOTE=32Dayz]

Are you kidding me?

Shaq from 95-02 is better then Kobe at his absolute peak.
Hell.. you can probably say from 95-05 (Pre Playoffs) and you'd still be correct.
Its not really funny as much as its retarded and completely illogical. :facepalm

tell me what both has done without each other

[RRR3]

I seriously doubt that shit-for-brain.
Really? Why don't you make a thread about it and see if anyone besides alphawolf,eliteballer,jacks,nick young,pegasus,kaiiu,etc. agree with you?


@ deuce,
Shaq's peak is top 5 ever, arguably top 3. Kobe's peak is not.

[DaPerceive]

You aren't going to find many people that would say Wade > Kobe in careers, but you will find many that will say Wade > Kobe currently. A fair comparison for Wade in career would be against LeBron. I would probably lean towards Wade in that argument.

[Deuce Bigalow]

http://www.faniq.com/images/blog/f53e1247f534c1ad5c0a9d66d083f7aa.jpg

32Dayz dream trade scenario switching places with danny ferry

:oldlol:
repped

[Heavincent]

Really? Why don't you make a thread about it and see if anyone besides alphawolf,eliteballer,jacks,nick young,pegasus,kaiiu,etc. agree with you?

You're just as biased against Kobe as they are for Kobe. Stop it with the hypocrisy.

Making the thread now.

[RRR3]

You aren't going to find many people that would say Wade > Kobe in careers, but you will find many that will say Wade > Kobe currently. A fair comparison for Wade in career would be against LeBron. I would probably lean towards Wade in that argument.
Of course you would, swagg3r. We all know your agenda :roll:

[32Dayz]

tell me what both has done without each other

Shaq was firmly out of his Prime by the 05 Playoffs
(after the thigh injury) and would never return to that level of play/impact again.

Kobe was just entering his Prime.

Give 3rd year Kobe a great team in 95 and then a bunch of garbage Casts until 01 and i'm pretty sure he ends up with Zero Rings in that time span brother.

Your giving Kobe too much Credit for team accomplishments.

Shaq was simply a much better player then Kobe ever was for 8-10+ Years no fair comparison can ever be made between the two of them.

[RRR3]

You're just as biased against Kobe as they are for Kobe. Stop it with the hypocrisy.

I'm so biased against Kobe I think he's a top 9-12 player of all time :roll:
I'm soooooooo biased against Kobe I think he's arguably the 2nd best player at his position in NBA history
I'm sooooooo biased against Kobe I think he has had a better career than Wade and LeBron so far
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[DaPerceive]

Of course you would, swagg3r. We all know your agenda :roll:
I would because my values show you that Wade's career has been better than Lebron's.

Both are top 20 players of all-time though, top 25 at the least.

[RRR3]

I would because my values show you that Wade's career has been better than Lebron's.

Both are top 20 players of all-time though, top 25 at the least.

shut up swagg3r. stop pretending to be objective. go make another "wade>Lebron and Yao>dwight thread" :roll:

[DaPerceive]

shut up swagg3r. stop pretending to be objective. go make another "wade>Lebron and Yao>dwight thread" :roll:
Sweet contributions :rolleyes:


:oldlol: love how bad you are raging though.

[Heavincent]

I'm so biased against Kobe I think he's a top 9-12 player of all time :roll:
I'm soooooooo biased against Kobe I think he's arguably the 2nd best player at his position in NBA history
I'm sooooooo biased against Kobe I think he has had a better career than Wade and LeBron so far
:roll: :roll: :roll:

Well first of all, Kobe is top 7-10 all time. Lets just get that out of the way.

And stating obvious facts like you just did doesn't mean you're not biased.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Shaq was firmly out of his Prime by the 05 Playoffs
(after the thigh injury) and would never return to that level of play/impact again.

Kobe was just entering his Prime.

Give 3rd year Kobe a great team in 95 and then a bunch of garbage Casts until 01 and i'm pretty sure he ends up with Zero Rings in that time span brother.

Your giving Kobe too much Credit for team accomplishments.

Shaq was simply a much better player then Kobe ever was for 8-10+ Years no fair comparison can ever be made between the two of them.

1993-1999 didnt exist...ok

[32Dayz]

I'm so biased against Kobe I think he's a top 9-12 player of all time :roll:
I'm soooooooo biased against Kobe I think he's arguably the 2nd best player at his position in NBA history
I'm sooooooo biased against Kobe I think he has had a better career than Wade and LeBron so far
:roll: :roll: :roll:

I dont dislike Kobe either.

I think he was the best SG of the 00 Decade and he is somewhere from 9-15 on my GOAT list currently. :applause:

[32Dayz]

Well first of all, Kobe is top 7-10 all time. Lets just get that out of the way.

And stating obvious facts like you just did doesn't mean you're not biased.

What?

He isnt ahead of Jordan, Shaq, Kareem, Wilt, Duncan, Bill Russell, Magic, Bird, Hakeem.

Then you have West, Oscar, KG etc.. that all can fight with Kobe for the 10 spot after that.

9 is the highest I'd ever consider ranking him and he will never ever be higher then that.

[RRR3]

Well first of all, Kobe is top 7-10 all time. Lets just get that out of the way.

And stating obvious facts like you just did doesn't mean you're not biased.

He's not top 7, you dork. 8 is the absolute highest I can see ranking him (i personally wouldn't but I can see the arguments). So I give Kobe credit for what he does, but I'm still a "hater"? :rolleyes: Ok. I think you label me a hater because I hate Kobe stans trying to sell Kobe to everyone else and overrate the shit out of him. That is something I hate.

[RRR3]

What?

He isnt ahead of Jordan, Shaq, Kareem, Wilt, Duncan, Bill Russell, Magic, Bird, Hakeem.

Then you have West, Oscar, KG etc.. that all can fight with Kobe for the 10 spot after that.

9 is the highest I'd even consider ranking him and he will never ever be higher then that.

KG isn't top 10 and Kobe has had a better career than him for sure.

BTW Heavincent, where's that thread at?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Well first of all, Kobe is top 7-10 all time. Lets just get that out of the way.

And stating obvious facts like you just did doesn't mean you're not biased.

:applause:

[32Dayz]

KG isn't top 10 and Kobe has had a better career than him for sure.

BTW Heavincent, where's that thread at?

Better Career for sure.

But I rank my GOAT list by who was the better player.

I am not sure Kobe was more valuable then KG over a Career or who I'd pick first in a Draft.

#14.
KG : Post Season - PER
Peak : 25.5
Top 5 : 24.68
Top 7 : 24

#15.
Kobe : Post Season - PER
Peak : 26.8
Top 5 : 24
Top 7 : 23

Similar Production.. I'd say its somewhat close after the new hand check rules but b4 that I'd definitely take KG.

[Heavincent]

BTW Heavincent, where's that thread at?

On the front page.

[RRR3]

Better Career for sure.

But I rank my GOAT list by who was the better player.

I am not sure Kobe was more valuable then KG over a Career or who i'd pick first in a Draft.

#14.
KG : Post Season - PER
Peak : 25.5
Top 5 : 24.68
Top 7 : 24

#15.
Kobe : Post Season - PER
Peak : 26.8
Top 5 : 24
Top 7 : 23

You can't use PER alone to determine who is a better player. It's a fine stat, but it's hardly perfect (no one stat is a perfect measure of a player).

[Deuce Bigalow]

:oldlol: this is good

[32Dayz]

2nd Year Wade Playoff Numbers.
27PPG, 7APG, 6RPG, 48% FG

3rd & 4th Year Kobe Playoff Numbers. (similar amount of minutes)
20PPG, 5APG, 5RPG, 43% FG


Number of seasons with DRTG lower then 105
Kobe = 5
Wade = 6

Number of seasons with 4+ Defensive WShares
Kobe = 5
Wade = 5

Total seasons played

Kobe = 15
Wade = 8

Career BPG//SPG
Kobe = .5 // 1.5
Wade = 1 // 1.7

[Deuce Bigalow]

2nd Year Wade Playoff Numbers.
27PPG, 7APG, 6RPG, 48% FG

3rd & 4th Year Kobe Playoff Numbers. (similar amount of minutes)
20PPG, 5APG, 5RPG, 43% FG

How about 5th year playoff numbers
Kobe - 29.4 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 6.1 apg, 47 FG%
Wade 5th and 6th year - didnt make the playoffs and 29.1 ppg, 5 rpg, 5.3 apg, 44 FG%

[305Baller]

Wade could have had 3 titles by now barring injury and chokejob.

[32Dayz]

Wade could have had 3 titles by now barring injury and chokejob.

:applause:

Very true, he should have 2FMVP's and 2 Rings if Lebron played better in 11 and if not for both him and Shaq getting injured in 05 they would have had a good chance at winning that year.

[D-Wade316]

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[D-Wade316]

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[amfirst]

In a way yes. In the way most people look at it, no. And he probable never will have Kobe's 5 rings. But 09-10 Lebron was a better all alround player then Kobe has ever been if you ask me.

Hahha, the one that got owned by the Celts. Hell no, they so exposed him for the fraud he was. U think the Celts can contain Kobe like that. Nope... He was playing in a system that inflated his stats. He held the ball for 90% of the time.

Look at what happened when he joined a real team like the Heats. Wade was clearly the leader. And his stats when back to normal in a system where players shared the ball.

[D-Wade316]

Fvck You at Kobesexuals who even try to compare Kobe's chokejobs to Wade's dominating Finals performances. :facepalm


Wade as Finals performer is light years better than Kobe. Kobe's best Finals performance (09) came against an amateur, and piss poor defensive team(in the Finals). Magic allowed LA 100.6ppg. His teammates shot 50.5% from the field. He shot 43.0% from the field. When Kobe faced Boston the following year, which only allowed LA to score 90.6ppg, he played garbage (28.6ppg on 40.5fg%, 45.1efg%, 52.8ts% <----- Iversonian efficiency). The rest of his Finals performances are just atrocious (00, 01, 04, 08). In 02, Kobe had decent stats because Shaq opened a lot of space for other players. LA scored 106.0ppg on 50.5fg%.

How good Wade was in 06? In the last 4 games, his averages are:
ppg - 39.3 on 50.5fg%, 52.1efg%, 61,8ts%
rpg - 8.3
apg - 3.5
In the entire series, he averaged:
ppg - 34.7 on 46.8fg%, 47.8efg%, 57.2ts%
rpg - 7.8
apg -3.8

How good Wade was, before the injury, in 2011?
ppg - 28.4 on 57.6fg%, 61.4efg%, 64.3ts%
rpg - 6.8
apg - 5.0
In the entire series, he averaged:
ppg - 26.5 on 54.6fg%, 57.9efg%, 61.4ts%
rpg - 7.0
apg - 5.2

Wade>>>>>>>>>>>>Kobe Finals Performer?
Yes

Kobe>=Wade Finals Performer?
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[Jacks3]

Kobe>>>>Wade. Wade will never surpass Godbe.

[D-Wade316]

Kobe>>>>Wade. Wade will never surpass Godbe.
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[TheMarkMadsen]

SMH @ this moron comparing career stats..

I realize Kobe has almost a decade on wade in terms of how long they've been in the NBA. Which is exactly my point, I've seen way to many people on this forum saying Wade > Kobe carreer wise. Which is just plain Christopher Brian Bridges.

At this point in their career Wade might have a slight edge over Kobe due to his athleticism, but Kobe's been able to modify his game over the last few years to make him the most complete player in the NBA.

Some of you missed the point, its logical to argue Wade>Kobe as of 2011. But too many people on this site argue Wade>Kobe for their entire career. Which again is just plain Christopher Brian Bridges.

[HiphopRelated]

all time no, currently, blatantly obvious

[KingLeBronJames]

LeBron > Kobe > D-Wade.

[TheMarkMadsen]

all time no, currently, blatantly obvious

I wouldn't say "blatantly" obvious. Kobe Bryant hasn't fell off as much as people would like to think. He has won 2 of the last 3 FMVP's and is still an elite level player.

[D-Wade316]

I wouldn't say "blatantly" obvious. Kobe Bryant hasn't fell off as much as people would like to think. He has won 2 of the last 3 FMVP's and is still an elite level player.
Yeah. Just like how Terry, Peja, and Barea torched his ass.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Yeah. Just like how Terry, Peja, and Barea torched his ass.

:facepalm yeah they really torched him by standing in the corner hitting uncontested three's the whole time. Kobe wasn't guarding all three of these dudes that the same time. Just because you look at a box score and see that a guard from the opposing team hit some shots doesn't mean all the blame falls onto one player.

You can't place all the blame for one team's success onto a player from the other team. It's kind of like how D Wade balled out in game 4 of the finals until he forgot to catch the in bounds pass, Miam's game 4 loss came down to the final seconds but you can't place on the blame on Wade for that.

The Mavs ran through both the Lakers & Miami, so bringing up the mavs success against Kobe's lakers doesn't do much for your point when Wade's team lost to them aswell.

It's like two former boyfriends of the same girl arguing over who had the better relationship with her, who cares? In the end you both lost her.

[D-Wade316]

:facepalm yeah they really torched him by standing in the corner hitting uncontested three's the whole time. Kobe wasn't guarding all three of these dudes that the same time. Just because you look at a box score and see that a guard from the opposing team hit some shots doesn't mean all the blame falls onto one player.
Of course. He didn't guard all of those 3 at a single time. But even we he guarded one of them, Kobe's ass was repeatedly whipped.

You can't place all the blame for one team's success onto a player from the other team. It's kind of like how D Wade balled out in game 4 of the finals until he forgot to catch the in bounds pass, Miam's game 4 loss came down to the final seconds but you can't place on the blame on Wade for that.
:facepalm Wade carried that team. Kobe played terribly against Dallas. There is no comparison.

The Mavs ran through both the Lakers & Miami, so bringing up the mavs success against Kobe's lakers doesn't do much for your point when Wade's team lost to them aswell.

It's like two former boyfriends of the same girl arguing over who had the better relationship with her, who cares? In the end you both lost her.
:facepalm Wade, once again, carried that team. He didn't choke like KoBRICK did.