Prime Kobe's Numbers (01-10)

[Jacks3]

The best perimeter player of his era.

Here are his numbers over nearly a decade:

28.5 PPG/5.8 RPG/5.4 APG/1.8 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS

Here are his seasons over this stretch:
29/6/5/2/55% TS
25/6/6/2/55% TS
30/7/6/2/1/55% TS
24/5/5/2/56% TS
28/6/6/1/56% TS
35/5/5/2/56% TS
32/6/5/2/58% TS
28/6/5/2/58% TS
27/5/5/2/56% TS
27/5/5/2/55% TS

Accolades/Accomplishments during this time:
4-Time NBA Champion
6-Time NBA Finalist
16X Player of the Month
8X All-NBA 1st Team
1X All-NBA 2nd Team
7X All-NBA 1st Team Defense
2X All-NBA 2nd Team Defense
9X All-Star
4X All-Star MVP
1X NBA-MVP
2X NBA-Finals MVP

Over this stretch he had:
24X 50+ point games
5X 60+ point games
105 40+ point games

Some of his sickest stretches:
9 straight 40+ point games (2003)
13 straight 35+ point games (2003)
4 straight 45+ point games (2006)
4 straight 50+ point games (2007)
Averaged 40+ PPG in four different months
Averaged 37/6/5/59% TS post All-Star Break (2007)
81 pts
62 pts in three quarters
8 different games where he recorded 50+ points through three quarters of play

Some of his best playoff runs:
2001: 29 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/56% TS. NBA Championship. Lakers go 15-1.
2002: 27 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/52% TS. NBA Championship.
2008: 30 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/58% TS. NBA Finals
2009: 30 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship
2010: 29 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship



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[32Dayz]

nvm..

Amazing stuff xP.

[AlphaWolf24]

meh......


when he was 17 - 18 years old he played 10 minutes a game....


his career scoring average is 25 - 26 PPG....4AST 5 REB...


he sucks man!!

[King24]

The best perimeter player of his era.

Here are his numbers over nearly a decade:

28.6 PPG/5.8 RPG/5.4 APG/1.8 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS

Here are his seasons over this stretch:
29/6/5/2/55% TS
25/6/6/2/55% TS
30/7/6/2/1/55% TS
24/5/5/2/56% TS
28/6/6/1/56% TS
35/5/5/2/56% TS
32/6/5/2/58% TS
28/6/5/2/58% TS
27/5/5/2/56% TS
27/5/5/2/55% TS

Accolades/Accomplishments during this time:
4-Time NBA Champion
6-Time NBA Finalist
16X Player of the Month
8X All-NBA 1st Team
1X All-NBA 2nd Team
7X All-NBA 1st Team Defense
2X All-NBA 2nd Team Defense
9X All-Star
4X All-Star MVP
1X NBA-MVP
2X NBA-Finals MVP

Over this stretch he had:
24X 50+ point games
5X 60+ point games
105 40+ point games

Some of his sickest stretches:
9 straight 40+ point games (2003)
13 straight 35+ point games (2003)
4 straight 45+ point games (2006)
4 straight 50+ point games (2007)
Averaged 40+ PPG in four different months
Averaged 37/6/5/59% TS post All-Star Break (2007)
81 pts
62 pts in three quarters
8 different games where he recorded 50+ points through three quarters of play

Some of his best playoff runs:
2001: 29 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/56% TS. NBA Championship. Lakers go 15-1.
2002: 27 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/52% TS. NBA Championship.
2008: 30 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/58% TS. NBA Finals
2009: 30 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship
2010: 29 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship



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[brandonislegend]

One of the best players we will ever see.

[Nelson14]

stud

[Doranku]

Even if you hate him, you have to respect how he's maintained those kind of numbers for nearly an entire decade. :bowdown:

8 games with 50 before the 4th quarter is just... :wtf: :bowdown: :bowdown: :applause:

[OldSchoolBBall]

He averaged 28.4 ppg from '01-'10, not 28.6 ppg. Minor difference, but be precise.

[King24]

:oldlol::oldlol: :oldlol: ^

[Jacks3]

lol Loco. It was actually 28.5.

[Meticode]

:oldlol::oldlol: :oldlol: ^
:oldlol: ^ Your username ^ :oldlol: I'm not a Kobe hater, but damn, have some self-respect.

[Jacks3]

http://bkref.com/tiny/8M0dw

28.5. lol Loco. Dumass. :oldlol:

[King24]

:oldlol: ^ Your username ^ :oldlol: I'm not a Kobe hater, but damn, have some self-respect.
?

Name has nothing to do with Bryant.

Clown. :oldlol:

[Holy Random]

http://bkref.com/tiny/8M0dw

28.5. lol Loco. Dumass. :oldlol:

Your link doesn't work but either way I don't get how basketball-reference would get 28.5 as just doing it manually from 00-01 and 01-02 I get the the following:

From (00-01) to (09-10)
21550Points / 754Games = 28.58PPG ~ 26PPG

From (01-02) to (09-10)
19612Points / 686Games = 28.59PPG ~ 26PPG

[AlphaWolf24]

He averaged 28.4 ppg from '01-'10, not 28.6 ppg. Minor difference, but be precise.


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: Hook line and sinker..

this Kobe hater fell hard for it...

then he got ethered....it's 29.1 fool...

[Holy Random]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: Hook line and sinker..

this Kobe hater fell hard for it...

then he got ethered....it's 29.1 fool...

How'd he fall for anything Jacks3 ****ed up as did OldSchool as did you with the magical 29.1 you pulled out of your ass. Such a clown.

[Jacks3]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=combined&type=per_game&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=2001&year_max=2010&franch_id=LAL&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=Y&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=10&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=&c1comp=gt&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=player

28.5

[32Dayz]

Kobe PPG

Regular Season : 25.3
Playoffs : 25.4

:applause:

[Jacks3]

The best perimeter player of his era.

Here are his numbers over nearly a decade:

28.5 PPG/5.8 RPG/5.4 APG/1.8 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS

Here are his seasons over this stretch:
29/6/5/2/55% TS
25/6/6/2/55% TS
30/7/6/2/1/55% TS
24/5/5/2/56% TS
28/6/6/1/56% TS
35/5/5/2/56% TS
32/6/5/2/58% TS
28/6/5/2/58% TS
27/5/5/2/56% TS
27/5/5/2/55% TS

Accolades/Accomplishments during this time:
4-Time NBA Champion
6-Time NBA Finalist
16X Player of the Month
8X All-NBA 1st Team
1X All-NBA 2nd Team
7X All-NBA 1st Team Defense
2X All-NBA 2nd Team Defense
9X All-Star
4X All-Star MVP
1X NBA-MVP
2X NBA-Finals MVP

Over this stretch he had:
24X 50+ point games
5X 60+ point games
105 40+ point games

Some of his sickest stretches:
9 straight 40+ point games (2003)
13 straight 35+ point games (2003)
4 straight 45+ point games (2006)
4 straight 50+ point games (2007)
Averaged 40+ PPG in four different months
Averaged 37/6/5/59% TS post All-Star Break (2007)
81 pts
62 pts in three quarters
8 different games where he recorded 50+ points through three quarters of play

Some of his best playoff runs:
2001: 29 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/56% TS. NBA Championship. Lakers go 15-1.
2002: 27 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/52% TS. NBA Championship.
2008: 30 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/58% TS. NBA Finals
2009: 30 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship
2010: 29 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship



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[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe PPG

Regular Season : 25.3
Playoffs : 25.4

:applause:

more championships and more playoff points than Shaq, u :mad:

[Holy Random]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=combined&type=per_game&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=2001&year_max=2010&franch_id=LAL&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=Y&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=10&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=&c1comp=gt&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=player

28.5

Ok that link worked. Shit counted the games started instead of total games by accident. 1 game in there he didn't start for some reason, must have been coming off injury or something.

[AlphaWolf24]

How'd he fall for anything Jacks3 ****ed up as did OldSchool as did you with the magical 29.1 you pulled out of your ass. Such a clown.


really...hating Kobe so much he had to put .01% in there and make a stupid post?...and then he was proven wrong:facepalm



:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: ...I know my dawg Jacks3 put that in there to see if that fool would bite......and




he did it again:lol





Jacks3:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Jacks3]

:oldlol: @ that moron oldschooldumass. :roll:

[AlphaWolf24]

:oldlol: @ that moron oldschooldumass. :roll:

2EZ....that fool doesn't know sh!t about basketball...

should change his name to olschoolfootball or some sh!t...




every thread i have to teach him something about basketball:lol

[macpierce]

Even if you hate him, you have to respect how he's maintained those kind of numbers for nearly an entire decade. :bowdown:

8 games with 50 before the 4th quarter is just... :wtf: :bowdown: :bowdown: :applause:
keep your mouth shut mang, that ***** wade is suppose to rank higher than kome fo sho :roll:

[Jacks3]

:roll:

[barnett114]

Another Pro Kobe thread by Jacks3. What a Surprise.

Got banned for the 32nd time on RealGM for spouting the same old shit.

[Jacks3]

STFU, my bitch.

[barnett114]

STFU, my bitch.

U Mad? Bitch

[Jacks3]

U salty, my whore? Keep following me around bitch. :oldlol:

[barnett114]

U salty, my whore? Keep following me around bitch. :oldlol:

Go sit down bitch.

You had 32 accounts on RealGM.

U Mad?

[Jacks3]

This message is hidden because barnett114 is on your ignore list.
Sweet bliss.

[barnett114]

Sweet bliss.

He's really mad.

[Jacks3]

The best perimeter player of his era.

Here are his numbers over nearly a decade:

28.5 PPG/5.8 RPG/5.4 APG/1.8 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS

Here are his seasons over this stretch:
29/6/5/2/55% TS
25/6/6/2/55% TS
30/7/6/2/1/55% TS
24/5/5/2/56% TS
28/6/6/1/56% TS
35/5/5/2/56% TS
32/6/5/2/58% TS
28/6/5/2/58% TS
27/5/5/2/56% TS
27/5/5/2/55% TS

Accolades/Accomplishments during this time:
4-Time NBA Champion
6-Time NBA Finalist
16X Player of the Month
8X All-NBA 1st Team
1X All-NBA 2nd Team
7X All-NBA 1st Team Defense
2X All-NBA 2nd Team Defense
9X All-Star
4X All-Star MVP
1X NBA-MVP
2X NBA-Finals MVP

Over this stretch he had:
24X 50+ point games
5X 60+ point games
105 40+ point games

Some of his sickest stretches:
9 straight 40+ point games (2003)
13 straight 35+ point games (2003)
4 straight 45+ point games (2006)
4 straight 50+ point games (2007)
Averaged 40+ PPG in four different months
Averaged 37/6/5/59% TS post All-Star Break (2007)
81 pts
62 pts in three quarters
8 different games where he recorded 50+ points through three quarters of play

Some of his best playoff runs:
2001: 29 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/56% TS. NBA Championship. Lakers go 15-1.
2002: 27 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/52% TS. NBA Championship.
2008: 30 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/58% TS. NBA Finals
2009: 30 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship
2010: 29 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship



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[Big#50]

Am I late for the Kobe circle jerk?

[Doranku]

Am I late for the Kobe circle jerk?

Just in time. :applause: :applause: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :applause: :applause:

[Jacks3]

The best perimeter player of his era.

Here are his numbers over nearly a decade:

28.5 PPG/5.8 RPG/5.4 APG/1.8 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS

Here are his seasons over this stretch:
29/6/5/2/55% TS
25/6/6/2/55% TS
30/7/6/2/1/55% TS
24/5/5/2/56% TS
28/6/6/1/56% TS
35/5/5/2/56% TS
32/6/5/2/58% TS
28/6/5/2/58% TS
27/5/5/2/56% TS
27/5/5/2/55% TS

Accolades/Accomplishments during this time:
4-Time NBA Champion
6-Time NBA Finalist
16X Player of the Month
8X All-NBA 1st Team
1X All-NBA 2nd Team
7X All-NBA 1st Team Defense
2X All-NBA 2nd Team Defense
9X All-Star
4X All-Star MVP
1X NBA-MVP
2X NBA-Finals MVP

Over this stretch he had:
24X 50+ point games
5X 60+ point games
105 40+ point games

Some of his sickest stretches:
9 straight 40+ point games (2003)
13 straight 35+ point games (2003)
4 straight 45+ point games (2006)
4 straight 50+ point games (2007)
Averaged 40+ PPG in four different months
Averaged 37/6/5/59% TS post All-Star Break (2007)
34/7/6/2/60% TS over last 40 games (2003)
81 pts
62 pts in three quarters
8 different games where he recorded 50+ points through three quarters of play

Some of his best playoff runs:
2001: 29 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/56% TS. NBA Championship. Lakers go 15-1.
2002: 27 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/52% TS. NBA Championship.
2008: 30 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/58% TS. NBA Finals
2009: 30 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship
2010: 29 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship



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[bwink23]

Do i even need to ask why Kobetards post TS% which includes free throws?? Effective FG% is better cuz it accounts for FIELD GOAL SHOOTING, and actually gives brownie points for those who jack up 3-pointers. TS% is BOGUS CRAP, and should be taken with a grain of salt....You NEVER include FT shooting to accurately judge a person's floor shooting....i mean DUH

[AlphaWolf24]

Do i even need to ask why Kobetards post TS% which includes free throws?? Effective FG% is better cuz it accounts for FIELD GOAL SHOOTING, and actually gives brownie points for those who jack up 3-pointers. TS% is BOGUS CRAP, and should be taken with a grain of salt....You NEVER include FT shooting to accurately judge a person's floor shooting....i mean DUH


:lol mad...

[Heavincent]

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Indisputable top 10 player all time.

[DaPerceive]

This is a strange thread because usually Kobe fans want to avoid numbers.

[PTB Fan]

Such a great player, future candidate for GOAT honor. These stats prove his consistent excellence. However, his efficiency problems downgrade him quite a bit.

[DaPerceive]

Such a great player, future candidate for GOAT honor. These stats prove his consistent excellence. However, his efficiency problems downgrade him quite a bit.
What efficiency problems? His TS% and eFG% are fine. Then again you wouldn't know anything about that since you just steal a bunch of opinions from others.

[PTB Fan]

What efficiency problems? His TS% and eFG% are fine. Then again you wouldn't know anything about that since you just steal a bunch of opinions from others.

Kobe hasn't been very efficient in his career. He has shot 45.4% from field in the regular season and 44.8% field goal percentage in the post season. He has rarely shot 50% FG.

TS% and eFG% don't hold as much as meaning as FG%. But i don't found 45% to be great.

[barnett114]

Kobe isn't a G.O.A.T. candidate but he is surely locked into the top ten all time.

He can even move into the top 5 with more rings.

[DaPerceive]

TS% and eFG% don't hold as much as meaning as FG%. But i don't found 45% to be great.
Yeah they don't, they're worth even more. You are a clear noob of an analyst. TS% and eFG% is a better indicator of shooting and scoring efficiency than FG%, but you are a noob so what do I expect?

TS% shows scoring efficiency, and I am assuming you don't even know how the formula works.

FG% has become pretty much worthless.

[LJJ]

Kobe Bryant's 'claim' as a lock for the all time top 10 is feeble at best.

Bryant is clearly the 3rd best player of his period. No one with any sense or is going to argue he is greater than either O'neal or Duncan. Those two players were basically flipping coins over who was truly the best player in the league for the better part of a decade, something Bryant was able to do for about two seasons. There should simply be no question about their status in comparison to Bryant.

And if you look at this logically, being the 3rd best player of your era just cannot guarantee a place in the top 10. Let's say we treat basketball history with a little disdain and we disregard everything that happened pre-60s: we can still identify there have been roughly five eras of NBA basketball. There is overlap of players throughout those eras, but let's say a players broad prime is about ten seasons so there have been five eras. So there are five 'best players', five '2nd best players' and five '3rd best players'. Given those facts, logically Bryant should rank somewhere in the 11th-15th spot.
That doesn't mean you couldn't give Bryant a little leeway and provide some arguments to place him up in the top 10, but it surely isn't a lock. If you think Bryant is a lock than you really haven't thought this through.

[PTB Fan]

Yeah they don't, they're worth even more. You are a clear noob of an analyst. TS% and eFG% is a better indicator of shooting and scoring efficiency than FG%, but you are a noob so what do I expect?

TS% shows scoring efficiency, and I am assuming you don't even know how the formula works.

FG% has become pretty much worthless.

Kobe could have been a much more efficient player, but he's not. That's the point. And i don't care about some useless TS% or so...

[DaPerceive]

Kobe could have been a much more efficient player, but he's not. That's the point. And i don't care about some useless TS% or so...
Yeah because you don't understand how it works and because you are a noob of an analyst. I would like for you to explain what is wrong with TS% though, go ahead and explain.

[PTB Fan]

Yeah because you don't understand how it works and because you are a noob of an analyst. I would like for you to explain what is wrong with TS% though, go ahead and explain.

No need to explain the TS% to me...Kobe has been an inefficient player for the most part of his career. That's it.

[jacobgoindum]

Isn't freethrow % part of efficiency also?
superstars are going to go to the line around 7-10 times per game, so it matters

[DaPerceive]

No need to explain the TS% to me...Kobe has been an inefficient player for the most part of his career. That's it.
Yeah so you have nothing to backup your claim.

Okay I'll make some pointless claims that you can't be backed up too. Wilt Chamberlain was a clutch player.

[jacobgoindum]

No need to explain the TS% to me...Kobe has been an inefficient player for the most part of his career. That's it.

How?

[DaPerceive]

Isn't freethrow % part of efficiency also?
superstars are going to go to the line around 7-10 times per game, so it matters
PTB fan a.k.a Darko has the basketball intelligence of a 3rd grader so you mind as well just leave him alone since he is hopeless and stubborn.

[PTB Fan]

PTB fan a.k.a Darko has the basketball intelligence of a 3rd grader so you mind as well just leave him alone since he is hopeless and stubborn.

What ever...

[PTB Fan]

How?

His TS and eFG% are fine, but he's not. He's had many bad shooting games and has always been around 45% for the bigger part of his career. There was a huge improvement in this regard for Kobe when he decided to play more in the post which led to a bigger efficiency.

He shot 48% FG in 2010 i think, before he had a thumb injury. But the main reason for his struggles is his shot selection. Bryant has been known as excellent shot maker of tough shots, but if he looked for better shots, i think 46%-49% from field would have been a reality.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

What ever...

Not "what ever". You are actually right; just do a little research. eFG% (effective field goal percentage) is a stat which takes into account your 2PT shots. Its better than TS% which excuses shot jackers who hoist up 3PT's, totally ignoring shot selection and the consequences said player and his team faces missing shots. As 'Bwink23' already iterated, you dont include FT shooting to accurately judge a players shooting from the FIELD.

[PTB Fan]

Not "what ever". You are actually right; just do a little research. eFG% (effective field goal percentage) is a stat which takes into account your 2PT shots. Its better than TS% which excuses shot jackers who hoist up 3PT's, totally ignoring shot selection and the consequences said player and his team faces missing shots. As 'Bwink23' already iterated, you dont include FT shooting to accurately judge a players shooting from the FIELD.

No need to explain it to guys who know this stuff.

It's his opinion, even though i don't like it, i respect it which is why i rarely go into heated arguments.

[DaPerceive]

Not "what ever". You are actually right; just do a little research. eFG% (effective field goal percentage) is a stat which takes into account your 2PT shots. Its better than TS% which excuses shot jackers who hoist up 3PT's, totally ignoring shot selection and the consequences said player and his team faces missing shots. As 'Bwink23' already iterated, you dont include FT shooting to accurately judge a players shooting from the FIELD.
If we are judging their shooting efficiency/ability then yeah don't use TS% and use eFG% instead, maybe even FG%. If we are judging their scoring efficiency then TS% is the best one. Free throws are apart of scoring whether people want to agree with that notion or not.

[Doranku]

Kobe Bryant's 'claim' as a lock for the all time top 10 is feeble at best.

Bryant is clearly the 3rd best player of his period. No one with any sense or is going to argue he is greater than either O'neal or Duncan. Those two players were basically flipping coins over who was truly the best player in the league for the better part of a decade, something Bryant was able to do for about two seasons. There should simply be no question about their status in comparison to Bryant.

And if you look at this logically, being the 3rd best player of your era just cannot guarantee a place in the top 10. Let's say we treat basketball history with a little disdain and we disregard everything that happened pre-60s: we can still identify there have been roughly five eras of NBA basketball. There is overlap of players throughout those eras, but let's say a players broad prime is about ten seasons so there have been five eras. So there are five 'best players', five '2nd best players' and five '3rd best players'. Given those facts, logically Bryant should rank somewhere in the 11th-15th spot.
That doesn't mean you couldn't give Bryant a little leeway and provide some arguments to place him up in the top 10, but it surely isn't a lock. If you think Bryant is a lock than you really haven't thought this through.

Guess that means that one of Magic, Bird, or Kareem belong outside of the top 10. :roll: :roll: :roll:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

If we are judging their shooting efficiency/ability then yeah don't use TS% and use eFG% instead, maybe even FG%. If we are judging their scoring efficiency then TS% is the best one. Free throws are apart of scoring whether people want to agree with that notion or not.

Exactly, and I agree. FT's and 3PT shots inflate the percentage immensely, and while you cannot ignore those categories, you also have to acknowledge and penalize players missing shots from the field. FG% takes into account what you made and missed. Nothing more, nothing less.

Whatever happened to looking at someone's 3PT attempts or FTs made and/or missed separately? Why are these stats all conjoined into one? Most coaches don't even adjust numbers like these. What's the point?

[DaPerceive]

Exactly, and I agree. FT's and 3PT shots inflate the percentage immensely, and while you cannot ignore those categories, you also have to acknowledge and penalize players missing shots from the field. FG% takes into account what you made and missed. Nothing more, nothing less.

Why is that? Does your simplistic basketball analysis believe that all miss shots are bad or something?

You can use FG% to determine how well the defender guarded the offensive player, but offensively FG% is closer to useless than useful. eFG% is probably the best shooting statistic for offensive and defensive players. You never use TS% to determine how well the defenders played him though since it accounts FTs and the defender cannot do anything about that.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Why is that? Does your simplistic basketball analysis believe that all miss shots are bad or something?

Already hurling insults? That was too easy. Let me asking you something. Since when has missing shots been good?


You can use FG% to determine how well the defender guarded the offensive player, but offensively FG% is closer to useless than useful.

Explain your case.

[Bigsmoke]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgPC5a33KCE

[Fatal9]

people still think fg% is a better stat than ts% ?

[DaPerceive]

Already hurling insults? That was too easy. Let me asking you something. Since when has missing shots been good?
It can be good since it will present an opportunity for an offensive rebound and such, which will set up a higher % shot or a FT drawn. Of course you wouldn't know that or have ever thought of that.

[chazzy]

people still think fg% is a better stat than ts% ?
Most people here don't even know what TS% actually is before they bash it.. it's a pretty standard stat on some of the other boards

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

It can be good since it will present an opportunity for an offensive rebound and such, which will set up a higher % shot or a FT drawn. Of course you wouldn't know that or have ever thought of that.

Or it can be bad (long missed shots are key to opposing fast breaks/transition baskets), presenting an opportunity for defensive rebounds, missing a chance to capitalize on that possession.

Making your shots or grabbing offensive rebounds. Man, that's a tough one :oldlol:

[DaPerceive]

Or it can be bad (long missed shots are key to opposing fast breaks), presenting an opportunity for defensive rebounds, missing a chance to capitalize on that possession.

Making your shots or grabbing offensive rebounds. Man, that's a tough one :oldlol:
I never said it was flawless or better, but it has its benefits as well.



It can be good since it will present an opportunity for an offensive rebound and such, which will set up a higher % shot or a FT drawn

Comprehend better if you don't mind.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I never said it was flawless or better, but it has its benefits as well.



Comprehend better if you don't mind.

More often than not, it's bad. Hate to break it to you kiddo.

[Jacks3]

The best perimeter player of his era.

Here are his numbers over nearly a decade:

28.5 PPG/5.8 RPG/5.4 APG/1.8 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS

Here are his seasons over this stretch:
29/6/5/2/55% TS
25/6/6/2/55% TS
30/7/6/2/1/55% TS
24/5/5/2/56% TS
28/6/6/1/56% TS
35/5/5/2/56% TS
32/6/5/2/58% TS
28/6/5/2/58% TS
27/5/5/2/56% TS
27/5/5/2/55% TS

Accolades/Accomplishments during this time:
4-Time NBA Champion
6-Time NBA Finalist
16X Player of the Month
8X All-NBA 1st Team
1X All-NBA 2nd Team
7X All-NBA 1st Team Defense
2X All-NBA 2nd Team Defense
9X All-Star
4X All-Star MVP
1X NBA-MVP
2X NBA-Finals MVP

Over this stretch he had:
24X 50+ point games
5X 60+ point games
105 40+ point games

Some of his sickest stretches:
9 straight 40+ point games (2003)
13 straight 35+ point games (2003)
4 straight 45+ point games (2006)
4 straight 50+ point games (2007)
Averaged 40+ PPG in four different months
Averaged 37/6/5/59% TS post All-Star Break (2007)
81 pts
62 pts in three quarters
8 different games where he recorded 50+ points through three quarters of play

Some of his best playoff runs:
2001: 29 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/56% TS. NBA Championship. Lakers go 15-1.
2002: 27 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/52% TS. NBA Championship.
2008: 30 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/58% TS. NBA Finals
2009: 30 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship
2010: 29 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship



:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

lol @ the morons who use FG% instead of TS%. :oldlol:

[LJJ]

Guess that means that one of Magic, Bird, or Kareem belong outside of the top 10. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Not really. KAJ is the best player of the 70s. Magic the best of the 80s. Bird the 2nd best of the 80s. All legitimate top 10.

Also, Bryant is clearly not on the same level as any of those players.

[MaxFly]

Exactly, and I agree. FT's and 3PT shots inflate the percentage immensely, and while you cannot ignore those categories, you also have to acknowledge and penalize players missing shots from the field. FG% takes into account what you made and missed. Nothing more, nothing less.

Whatever happened to looking at someone's 3PT attempts or FTs made and/or missed separately? Why are these stats all conjoined into one? Most coaches don't even adjust numbers like these. What's the point?

Actually, a lot of coaches and statisticians take eFG% over FG% into account when they judge a player's efficiency.

I've said this before, but I'll say it again... Just taking field goals into account, I'd rather have a player who scores 24 points on 10/22 shooting than a player who scores 22 points on 11/22 shooting.

Yes, there's a chance that the extra missed shot will turn into a fast break the other way, but that is offset by the chance that a player who can hit a few threes will force the opposing defense to focus on him more, opening up things for his teammate and opportunities for himself in the interior. There's also a chance that it will force the opposing team to call a time out to address their defense and to figure out how to execute better coverage of the perimeter. eFG% is an extremely important and useful stat.

[Jacks3]

Kobe Bryant's 'claim' as a lock for the all time top 10 is feeble at best.

Bryant is clearly the 3rd best player of his period. No one with any sense or is going to argue he is greater than either O'neal or Duncan. Those two players were basically flipping coins over who was truly the best player in the league for the better part of a decade, something Bryant was able to do for about two seasons. There should simply be no question about their status in comparison to Bryant.



:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
lol. he's pretty easily above o'neal. o'neal was irreverent from 06 on. how exactly is he above kobe considering what kobe did from 06-10. and kobe was widely regarded as the best in the league for a solid 3 seasons (06-08) not two. thats right around the same amount as duncan. fail.

[Doranku]

Not really. KAJ is the best player of the 70s. Magic the best of the 80s. Bird the 2nd best of the 80s. All legitimate top 10.

Also, Bryant is clearly not on the same level as any of those players.

So who's the third best player of the 80's? The second and third best player of the 70's?

You said there were 5 distinct eras.. are we just completely ignoring the 50's?

What makes Bird "clearly on another level" as Kobe when he has less rings despite playing on some of the most stacked teams of all time, zero all-defensive first team selections, shorter career (with Bryant still going strong), and so on?

Your way of ranking just doesn't make sense at all. It's like saying that because Kobe was the second best player on the Lakers from '01 and on, he should only be compared to the second best players of other teams even though he was a top 3-5 player in the league for many of those years and easily better than most teams' best player.

[Jacks3]

This is a strange thread because usually Kobe fans want to avoid numbers.
why? aside from jordan/shaq/lebron/kareem/wilt (in the RS) his combo of raw and advanced stats stack up fine against any player in history. this myth that the numbers "hate" bryant is hilarious. his peak PER is higher than duncan's/hakeem/magic/bird...peak playoff per of 27....23.5 career PER...top 10 in WAR....very strong adjusted +/- numbers...huge raw numbers (30/7/6/2 in 03,35/5/5/2 in 06 etc)...huge WS numbers...

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Actually, a lot of coaches and statisticians take eFG% over FG% into account when they judge a player's efficiency.

I've said this before, but I'll say it again... Just taking field goals into account, I'd rather have a player who scores 24 points on 10/22 shooting than a player who scores 22 points on 11/22 shooting.

Yes, there's a chance that the extra missed shot will turn into a fast break the other way, but that is offset by the chance that a player who can hit a few threes will force the opposing defense to focus on him more, opening up things for his teammate and opportunities for himself in the interior. There's also a chance that it will force the opposing team to call a time out to address their defense and to figure out how to execute better coverage of the perimeter. eFG% is an extremely important and useful stat.

Great post, agreed wholeheartedly. I never stated eFG was a bad statistic though. The discussion was TS%.

Now in regards to your example; if the player who's shooting a lower percentage can hit the 3 ball (and is a better FT shooter)--hell a more skilled scorer, I'd agree with you. That's a scorer I would look to down the stretch. Thing is, guys like Iverson, TMac or even Kobe during their primes never just went 11/24--45%. They were sporadic. A couple games shooting ~50% and above, a few more shooting in the low 40's sometimes dipping into the 30 percent range. On average, I wouldn't say someone like Kobe is inefficient. A better term would be inconsistent.

[Doranku]

Actually, a lot of coaches and statisticians take eFG% over FG% into account when they judge a player's efficiency.

I've said this before, but I'll say it again... Just taking field goals into account, I'd rather have a player who scores 24 points on 10/22 shooting than a player who scores 22 points on 11/22 shooting.

Yes, there's a chance that the extra missed shot will turn into a fast break the other way, but that is offset by the chance that a player who can hit a few threes will force the opposing defense to focus on him more, opening up things for his teammate and opportunities for himself in the interior. There's also a chance that it will force the opposing team to call a time out to address their defense and to figure out how to execute better coverage of the perimeter. eFG% is an extremely important and useful stat.

That extra missed shot might also be a bailout shot at the end of the shot clock after a bad offensive possession by the player's team, or lead to an opportunity for an offensive rebound.

[LJJ]

So who's the third best player of the 80's? The second and third best player of the 70's?

You said there were 5 distinct eras.. are we just completely ignoring the 50's?

What makes Bird "clearly on another level" as Kobe when he has less rings despite playing on some of the most stacked teams of all time, zero all-defensive first team selections, shorter career (with Bryant still going strong), and so on?

We are ignoring the 50s, to paint as best a picture as possible for Bryant. If we are going to count pre-60s basketball for the all time rankings and take it seriously; there is just no way Bryant could ever make a top 10.

The 3rd best player of the 70s is probably Moses Malone. (who was way more dominant than Bryant in his prime)

2nd best in the 70s is probably Erving. His resume is also probably better than Bryant's. 3rd is a bit hard to determine due to the strangeness of that era, but if we are going peaks it's Walton.

But then again, asking why Bird is better than Bryant clearly shows your ridiculous bias and probably retardation.




Your way of ranking just doesn't make sense at all. It's like saying that because Kobe was the second best player on the Lakers from '01 and on, he should only be compared to the second best players of other teams even though he was a top 3-5 player in the league for many of those years and easily better than most teams' best player.

The fukc are you talking about? Start making sense and stop being retarded.

[Jacks3]

The best perimeter player of his era.

Here are his numbers over nearly a decade:

28.5 PPG/5.8 RPG/5.4 APG/1.8 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS

Here are his seasons over this stretch:
29/6/5/2/55% TS
25/6/6/2/55% TS
30/7/6/2/1/55% TS
24/5/5/2/56% TS
28/6/6/1/56% TS
35/5/5/2/56% TS
32/6/5/2/58% TS
28/6/5/2/58% TS
27/5/5/2/56% TS
27/5/5/2/55% TS

Accolades/Accomplishments during this time:
4-Time NBA Champion
6-Time NBA Finalist
16X Player of the Month
8X All-NBA 1st Team
1X All-NBA 2nd Team
7X All-NBA 1st Team Defense
2X All-NBA 2nd Team Defense
9X All-Star
4X All-Star MVP
1X NBA-MVP
2X NBA-Finals MVP

Over this stretch he had:
24X 50+ point games
5X 60+ point games
105 40+ point games

Some of his sickest stretches:
9 straight 40+ point games (2003)
13 straight 35+ point games (2003)
4 straight 45+ point games (2006)
4 straight 50+ point games (2007)
Averaged 40+ PPG in four different months
Averaged 37/6/5/59% TS post All-Star Break (2007)
81 pts
62 pts in three quarters
8 different games where he recorded 50+ points through three quarters of play

Some of his best playoff runs:
2001: 29 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/56% TS. NBA Championship. Lakers go 15-1.
2002: 27 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/52% TS. NBA Championship.
2008: 30 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/58% TS. NBA Finals
2009: 30 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship
2010: 29 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship



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:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

moses malone?"way" more dominat?:roll: :roll:
erving?:roll:

[DaPerceive]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
lol. he's pretty easily above o'neal. o'neal was irreverent from 06 on. how exactly is he above kobe considering what kobe did from 06-10. and kobe was widely regarded as the best in the league for a solid 3 seasons (06-08) not two. thats right around the same amount as duncan. fail.
That is kind of funny seeing that I saw you post that you think Kobe might not even be a top 10 player of all-time. You are one confused fukk aren't you?




We are ignoring the 50s, to paint as best a picture as possible for Bryant. If we are going to count pre-60s basketball for the all time rankings and take it seriously; there is just no way Bryant could ever make a top 10.

The 3rd best player of the 70s is probably Moses Malone. (who was way more dominant than Bryant in his prime)

2nd best in the 70s is probably Erving. His resume is also probably better than Bryant's. 3rd is a bit hard to determine due to the strangeness of that era, but if we are going peaks it's Walton.

But then again, asking why Bird is better than Bryant clearly shows your ridiculous bias and probably retardation.


LJJ, what is your top 10 players of all-time list? just curious.

[Jacks3]

im a dumass moron.



.
true. kobe is the BEST of his era. deal with it.

[DaPerceive]

true. kobe is the BEST of his era. deal with it.
Immature, but let me ask you this, what is your top 10 players of all-time list? Try to be serious?

[Jacks3]

kareem
jordan
russ
magic
bird
shaq
wilt
hakeem
kobe
duncan

probably something like that. being very seriousz.

[Doranku]

We are ignoring the 50s, to paint as best a picture as possible for Bryant. If we are going to count pre-60s basketball for the all time rankings and take it seriously; there is just no way Bryant could ever make a top 10.

The 3rd best player of the 70s is probably Moses Malone. (who was way more dominant than Bryant in his prime)

2nd best in the 70s is probably Erving. His resume is also probably better than Bryant's. 3rd is a bit hard to determine due to the strangeness of that era, but if we are going peaks it's Walton.

But then again, asking why Bird is better than Bryant clearly shows your ridiculous bias and probably retardation.





The fukc are you talking about? Start making sense and stop being retarded.

:oldlol: @ already throwing around insults and calling ME retarded when I'm using YOUR logic. Priceless.

I'm not saying Kobe > Bird, but you're acting like it isn't even close. And of course, you take the cop-out method of spewing insults instead of actually backing up your claim. Shocking.

Moses is the 3rd best player of the 70's? :roll: Do you even know basketball? Dude had 2-3 good years during the 70's. His prime, two of his three MVPs, and his Finals MVP came in the 80's. I guess that doesn't matter, though. Jordan must be the best player of the 80's with that logic. :lol

Erving's resume better than Bryant's? Dude's numbers are extremely inflated by all those years in the ABA. Look at how much his production fell off during his first year in the NBA. Dude has no case over Kobe. You're going to laugh at me for asking why Bird is somehow on another echelon as Kobe, and then try to say Dr. J > Kobe? Give me a break.

[Deuce Bigalow]

We are ignoring the 50s, to paint as best a picture as possible for Bryant. If we are going to count pre-60s basketball for the all time rankings and take it seriously; there is just no way Bryant could ever make a top 10.

The 3rd best player of the 70s is probably Moses Malone. (who was way more dominant than Bryant in his prime)

2nd best in the 70s is probably Erving. His resume is also probably better than Bryant's. 3rd is a bit hard to determine due to the strangeness of that era, but if we are going peaks it's Walton.

But then again, asking why Bird is better than Bryant clearly shows your ridiculous bias and probably retardation.





The fukc are you talking about? Start making sense and stop being retarded.

:oldlol:

[DaPerceive]

kareem
jordan
russ
magic
bird
shaq
wilt
hakeem
kobe
duncan

probably something like that. being very seriousz.
That is odd...'

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=232221&page=7

People are focusing too much on accolades/accomplishments/rings.

Kobe should only be on your top 10 list if u think (at his prime) he's better at playing the game of basketball better than all but 8-9 guys...

Players indisputably ahead:
Jordan
Russ
Wilt
Kareem
Magic
Bird
Hakeem
Shaq

Arguable imo:
Duncan
KG
Malone
Barkley
LeBron

So yeah, he's anywhere from 10-15.

What made you change your mind in the past months?

[Jacks3]

that wasn't me. it was my brother.

zing.

[Doranku]

that wasn't me. it was my brother.

zing.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[LJJ]

:oldlol: @ already throwing around insults and calling ME retarded when I'm using YOUR logic. Priceless.

I'm not saying Kobe > Bird, but you're acting like it isn't even close. And of course, you take the cop-out method of spewing insults instead of actually backing up your claim. Shocking.

Moses is the 3rd best player of the 70's? :roll: Do you even know basketball? Dude had 2-3 good years during the 70's. His prime, two of his three MVPs, and his Finals MVP came in the 80's. I guess that doesn't matter, though. Jordan must be the best player of the 80's with that logic. :lol

Erving's resume better than Bryant's? Dude's numbers are extremely inflated by all those years in the ABA. Look at how much his production fell off during his first year in the NBA. Dude has no case over Kobe. You're going to laugh at me for asking why Bird is somehow on another echelon as Kobe, and then try to say Dr. J > Kobe? Give me a break.

I meant 80s for Moses Malone, it was a typo, as should be clear from the content of the rest of my post. It's should have been obvious, but I guess obvious isn't enough due to the aforementioned retardation.

Erving has a great resume. The talent in the ABA wasn't the same as in the NBA in the 80s, but he dominated that league. Then he went on the have a great career in the NBA as well. He was as good compared to his piers as Bryant was to his, there is just no basis for saying Bryant is better.

[Doranku]

I meant 80s for Moses Malone, it was a typo, as should be clear from the content of the rest of my post. It's should have been obvious, but I guess obvious isn't enough due to the aforementioned retardation.

Erving has a great resume. The talent in the ABA wasn't the same as in the NBA in the 80s, but he dominated that league. Then he went on the have a great career in the NBA as well. He was as good compared to his piers as Bryant was to his, there is just no basis for saying Bryant is better.

Hmm, true. I should have realized you meant 80's for Malone, my bad.

As for Erving, I don't agree with that. In the ABA, sure, Erving dominated that league. But I don't think Erving was ever as comparatively good as Bryant during his years in the NBA. Bryant was arguably the best player in the league from '06-08. Was Erving ever considered the best player in the NBA? No, because he was never better than Kareem.

But that's the whole point. Players shouldn't be ranked simply because of who their contemporaries were. Hakeem is probably the second best player of the 90's, but would he have been the second best player in the 60's pitted against Russell and Wilt? Probably not, but that wouldn't have taken away anything from his game, yet by your ranking system, he would've been ranked lower in the 11-15 tier when most people currently have him top 10.

[32Dayz]

1. Jordan
2. Shaq
3. Kareem
4. Wilt
5. Duncan
6. Magic Johnson
7. Larry Bird
8. Hakeem
9. Bill Russell
10. West
11. Oscar/KG/Dr. J/Moses Malone/Kobe

This Generation :
Jordan > Shaq >>> Duncan >>>>> KG/Kobe

[MaxFly]

Great post, agreed wholeheartedly. I never stated eFG was a bad statistic though. The discussion was TS%.

Now in regards to your example; if the player who's shooting a lower percentage can hit the 3 ball (and is a better FT shooter)--hell a more skilled scorer, I'd agree with you. That's a scorer I would look to down the stretch. Thing is, guys like Iverson, TMac or even Kobe during their primes never just went 11/24--45%. They were sporadic. A couple games shooting ~50% and above, a few more shooting in the low 40's sometimes dipping into the 30 percent range. On average, I wouldn't say someone like Kobe is inefficient. A better term would be inconsistent.

Agreed. Just wanted to comment on the poo-pooing of eFG% specifically. TS% is a great stat as well. I personally like looking at eFG% and FT% separately, but the notion that FG% is the best way to evaluate scoring efficiency is pretty silly.

[DaPerceive]

Agreed. Just wanted to comment on the poo-pooing of eFG% specifically. TS% is a great stat as well. I personally like looking at eFG% and FT% separately, but the notion that FG% is the best way to evaluate scoring efficiency is pretty silly.
Well what do you expect from someone who has silly knowledge/logic? :oldlol:

eFG% is what I look for when I want to determine how efficient of a shooter a player is. Shooting doesn't just mean jump shots either, but shot selections and stuff.

TS% is what I look for when I want to determine how efficient a scorer a player is.

Said the same thing a few posts back and I am still saying the same thing.

[Jacks3]

The best perimeter player of his era.

Here are his numbers over nearly a decade:

28.5 PPG/5.8 RPG/5.4 APG/1.8 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS

Here are his seasons over this stretch:
29/6/5/2/55% TS
25/6/6/2/55% TS
30/7/6/2/1/55% TS
24/5/5/2/56% TS
28/6/6/1/56% TS
35/5/5/2/56% TS
32/6/5/2/58% TS
28/6/5/2/58% TS
27/5/5/2/56% TS
27/5/5/2/55% TS

Accolades/Accomplishments during this time:
4-Time NBA Champion
6-Time NBA Finalist
16X Player of the Month
8X All-NBA 1st Team
1X All-NBA 2nd Team
7X All-NBA 1st Team Defense
2X All-NBA 2nd Team Defense
9X All-Star
4X All-Star MVP
1X NBA-MVP
2X NBA-Finals MVP

Over this stretch he had:
24X 50+ point games
5X 60+ point games
105 40+ point games

Some of his sickest stretches:
9 straight 40+ point games (2003)
13 straight 35+ point games (2003)
4 straight 45+ point games (2006)
4 straight 50+ point games (2007)
Averaged 40+ PPG in four different months
Averaged 37/6/5/59% TS post All-Star Break (2007)
81 pts
62 pts in three quarters
8 different games where he recorded 50+ points through three quarters of play

Some of his best playoff runs:
2001: 29 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/56% TS. NBA Championship. Lakers go 15-1.
2002: 27 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/52% TS. NBA Championship.
2008: 30 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/58% TS. NBA Finals
2009: 30 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship
2010: 29 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship



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goddamn. look at his game-logs in late 2007.

65/7/4/1
50/6/4/2
60/5/4/2
50/7/2/1
43/9/2/1
53/2/2/1
39/4/4/2
29/7/3/2
46/6/5/1
34/7/4/2
23/10/5/1
50/9/2/1
50/8/3/2
34/7/6/2

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Agreed. Just wanted to comment on the poo-pooing of eFG% .

Yeah, there are few and far between that dislike eFG. It's usually the people who've yet to do research on the stat, and advanced/adjusted stats in general.

[Jacks3]

january 2006.

45/7/4/2
48/10/3/2
50/8/8/2
45/10/5/2
41/4/3/1
38/7/7/2
37/5/3/1
51/9/4/2
37/2/3/1
81/6/3/2
30/8/5/2
39/6/4/2
40/4/3/3


:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Well what do you expect from someone who has silly knowledge/logic? :oldlol:

:sleeping

Do us a favor and deactivate this account like you did with your other dozen. Pronto, son.

[Jacks3]

january 2006.

45/7/4/2
48/10/3/2
50/8/8/2
45/10/5/2
41/4/3/1
38/7/7/2
37/5/3/1
51/9/4/2
37/2/3/1
81/6/3/2
30/8/5/2
39/6/4/2
40/4/3/3

look at his game-logs in late 2007.

65/7/4/1
50/6/4/2
60/5/4/2
50/7/2/1
43/9/2/1
53/2/2/1
39/4/4/2
29/7/3/2
46/6/5/1
34/7/4/2
23/10/5/1
50/9/2/1
50/8/3/2
34/7/6/2

feb 2003.
40/8/4
38/5/4/2
42/4/4/2
35/7/2/2
46/6/4/2
42/5/5/2
51/3/3/2
44/6/4/2
40/5/4/2
52/8/7/2
40/6/2/1/1
40/7/2/2
41/5/5/2


:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[32Dayz]

1. Jordan
2. Shaq
3. Kareem
4. Wilt
5. Duncan
6. Magic Johnson
7. Larry Bird
8. Hakeem
9. Bill Russell
10. West
11. Oscar/KG/Dr. J/Moses Malone/Kobe

This Generation :
Jordan > Shaq >>> Duncan >>>>> KG/Kobe


:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Good points Jack (Repped) :applause:

[Deuce Bigalow]

1. Jordan
2. Shaq
3. Kareem
4. Wilt
5. Duncan
6. Magic Johnson
7. Larry Bird
8. Hakeem
9. Bill Russell
10. West
11. Oscar/KG/Dr. J/Moses Malone/Kobe

This Generation :
Jordan > Shaq >>> Duncan >>>>> KG/Kobe

one of the worst lists I've ever seen

[Legends66NBA7]

one of the worst lists I've ever seen

He's got all the guys I usually see in there. It's just his order is different. Nothing will ever be worse than the Bleacher Report Top 50 updated.

[StarJordan]

28.5 for prime average lol when jordan would have seasons like those we'd say he was in decline

[Jacks3]

Kobe>>>Shaq
Agreed 32dayz. Good post. :applause:

[32Dayz]

one of the worst lists I've ever seen

My List :
1. Kobe
2. Iverson
3. Derrick Rose

Rest : Trash!!!


:wtf:

[Legends66NBA7]

:wtf:

Looks like a KB42PAH list...

[Jacks3]

The best perimeter player of his era.

Here are his numbers over nearly a decade:

28.5 PPG/5.8 RPG/5.4 APG/1.8 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS

Here are his seasons over this stretch:
29/6/5/2/55% TS
25/6/6/2/55% TS
30/7/6/2/1/55% TS
24/5/5/2/56% TS
28/6/6/1/56% TS
35/5/5/2/56% TS
32/6/5/2/58% TS
28/6/5/2/58% TS
27/5/5/2/56% TS
27/5/5/2/55% TS

Accolades/Accomplishments during this time:
4-Time NBA Champion
6-Time NBA Finalist
16X Player of the Month
8X All-NBA 1st Team
1X All-NBA 2nd Team
7X All-NBA 1st Team Defense
2X All-NBA 2nd Team Defense
9X All-Star
4X All-Star MVP
1X NBA-MVP
2X NBA-Finals MVP

Over this stretch he had:
24X 50+ point games
5X 60+ point games
105 40+ point games

Some of his sickest stretches:
9 straight 40+ point games (2003)
13 straight 35+ point games (2003)
4 straight 45+ point games (2006)
4 straight 50+ point games (2007)
Averaged 40+ PPG in four different months
Averaged 37/6/5/59% TS post All-Star Break (2007)
81 pts
62 pts in three quarters
8 different games where he recorded 50+ points through three quarters of play

Some of his best playoff runs:
2001: 29 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/56% TS. NBA Championship. Lakers go 15-1.
2002: 27 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/52% TS. NBA Championship.
2008: 30 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/58% TS. NBA Finals
2009: 30 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship
2010: 29 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship



:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Jacks3]

january 2006.

45/7/4/2
48/10/3/2
50/8/8/2
45/10/5/2
41/4/3/1
38/7/7/2
37/5/3/1
51/9/4/2
37/2/3/1
81/6/3/2
30/8/5/2
39/6/4/2
40/4/3/3

look at his game-logs in late 2007.

65/7/4/1
50/6/4/2
60/5/4/2
50/7/2/1
43/9/2/1
53/2/2/1
39/4/4/2
29/7/3/2
46/6/5/1
34/7/4/2
23/10/5/1
50/9/2/1
50/8/3/2
34/7/6/2

feb 2003.
40/8/4
38/5/4/2
42/4/4/2
35/7/2/2
46/6/4/2
42/5/5/2
51/3/3/2
44/6/4/2
40/5/4/2
52/8/7/2
40/6/2/1/1
40/7/2/2
41/5/5/2


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:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Jordan, Russell, Kareem, Magic, Wilt, Bird, Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, and Hakeem/Oscar/West is the Top 10

[32Dayz]

Jordan, Russell, Kareem, Magic, Wilt, Bird, Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, and Hakeem/Oscar/West is the Top 10

Kobe over Duncan and Hakeem??

Hakeem is one thing but putting Kobe over Duncan is 100% unjustifiable.

:no:

Wilt over Shaq?

Shaq had better Production in the Playoffs over his Peak/5, 7, 10, and 13 best years and led his team to far more sucuess in the playoffs and had better intagibals.

Shaq's Prime also is better then Birds and his level of play in the playoffs over 5, 7, 10 and 13 year periods absolutely crushes Birds.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe over Duncan and Hakeem??

Hakeem is one thing but putting Kobe over Duncan is 100% unjustifiable.

:no:

Shaq, Duncan, and Kobe are all debatable to be ahead of each other, even Hakeem too

[32Dayz]

Shaq, Duncan, and Kobe are all debatable to be ahead of each other, even Hakeem too

Why exactly?

Shaq and Duncan both have far "and I mean FARRRR" better overall Production in the Playoffs over 1, 5, 7, 10 and 13 year periods.

Shaq and Duncan are both far more impactful on the defensive end and attract more defensive attention on the offensive end.

Both are far better Finals performers and far more consistent period (Shaq especially) when it comes to performing in the Playoffs.

So.. Better Production + Significantly better intangibles.

How could you possibly say Kobe is better? :facepalm

The gap in production is so huge... Kobe would have to be the GOAT 10x over in intangibles to be equal to them let alone overtake them.



#2.
Shaq : Post Season - PER
Peak : 31
Top 5 : 30
Top 7 : 29.56
Top 10 : 28.52
Top 13 : 26.55

------------------------

#4
Duncan : Post Season - PER
Peak : 28.4
Top 5 : 26.96
Top 7 : 27.49
Top 10 : 26.67
Top 13 : 25.4

------------------------

#15.
Kobe : Post Season - PER
Peak : 26.8
Top 5 : 24
Top 7 : 23
Top 10 : 22.98
Top 13 : 21.62

[Deuce Bigalow]

Why exactly?

Shaq and Duncan both have far "and I mean FARRRR" better overall Production in the Playoffs over 1, 5, 7, 10 and 13 year periods.

Shaq and Duncan are both far more impactful on the defensive end and attract more defensive attention on the offensive end.

Both are far better Finals performers and far more consistent period (Shaq especially) when it comes to performing in the Playoffs.

So.. Better Production + Significantly better intangibles.

How could you possibly say Kobe is better? :facepalm

The gap in production is so huge... Kobe would have to be the GOAT 10x over in intangibles to be equal to them let alone overtake them.

PER again :rolleyes:

Kobe : Post Season - PER
Peak : 26.8
Top 5 : 24
Top 7 : 23
Average: 22.3

Bird : Post Season - PER
Peak : 26.3
Top 5 : 22.64
Top 7 : 22
Average: 21.4

Kobe > Bird, PER told me so dude

DONT YOU KNOW THAT KOBE WAS ALSO ON THAT LAKERS 3PEAT TEAM?

[32Dayz]

PER again :rolleyes:

Kobe : Post Season - PER
Peak : 26.8
Top 5 : 24
Top 7 : 23
Average: 22.3

Bird : Post Season - PER
Peak : 26.3
Top 5 : 22.64
Top 7 : 22
Average: 21.4

Kobe > Bird, PER told me so dude

PER is just what I use to guage overall Production.

I happen to think Bigmen tend to have better intagibals generally because of the impact they can have defensively and one's as effective as Shaq and Duncan offensively are an even rarer breed.

Bird had much better intangibles then Kobe and a better Peak which is why I rank him higher.

Cmon.. in terms of overall Production they are equal in Peak and over 5 and 7 Years they are only 1-2 Points apart from eachother.

Its not a big gap at all which it why Intangibles swing the comparison in Birds favour.

If Duncan and Shaq werent as impactful defensively and they werent as consistent offensively and Kobe was only 1 or 2 points behind them then in overall production then sure it'd be a fair discussion but that isnt reality.

[Deuce Bigalow]

PER is just what I use to guage overall Production.

I happen to think Bigmen tend to have better intagibals generally because of the impact they can have defensively and one's as effective as Shaq and Duncan offensively are an even rarer breed.

Bird had much better intangibles then Kobe and a better Peak which is why I rank him higher.

Cmon.. in terms of overall Production they are equal in Peak and over 5 and 7 Years they are only 1-2 Points apart from eachother.

Kobe helped Shaq win those championships, but your in love with Shaq so its pointless to talk about it

[32Dayz]

Kobe helped Shaq win those championships, but your in love with Shaq so its pointless to talk about it

I know he did, but what does that have to do with the individual production and impact of a singular player?

Kobe was great from 00-02 arguably the best SG in that time-frame and probably a top 7-10 player if you average the 3 years together.

I mean Drexler was great in the 95 Playoffs but people dont say he is equal to Hakeem.

Kobe is a great player and ranking him somewhere from 9-15 on my ATlist is not abnormal or out of the ordinary im pretty sure most people rank him somewhere around there.

Shaq imo was easily the best Center of all time and based on Production(Statistics) alone he is clearly the 2nd best player of all time. I know he wasnt perfect but I cant see any reasonable way to rank him outside the top 5 without it just seeming retarded.

He had insane intagibals also like the GOAT when it comes to attracting defensive attention down low, amazing passing ability and ability to make all the players around him better, GOAT offensive rebounder
(#1 all time in 0ffensive rebounds in the playoffs)

Shaq is #2 all time when looking at pure production with some of the greatest intangibles ever and he isn't top 5? Bullsh**.

[Deuce Bigalow]

I know he did, but what does that have to do with the individual production and impact of a singular player?

Kobe was great from 00-02 arguably the best SG in that time-frame and probably a top 7-10 player if you average the 3 years together.

I mean Drexler was great in the 95 Playoffs but people dont say he is equal to Hakeem.

Kobe is a great player and ranking him somewhere from 9-15 on my ATlist is not abnormal or out of the ordinary im pretty sure most people rank him somewhere around there.

Shaq imo was easily the best Center of all time and based on Production(Statistics) alone he is clearly the 2nd best player of all time. I know he wasnt perfect but I cant see any reasonable way to rank him outside the top 5 without it just seeming retarded.

He had insane intagibals also like the GOAT when it comes to attracting defensive attention down low, amazing passing ability and ability to make all the players around him better, GOAT offensive rebounder
(#1 all time in 0ffensive rebounds in the playoffs)

Shaq is #2 all time when looking at pure production with some of the greatest intangibles ever and he isn't top 5? Bullsh**.

The dude cant even hit a freethrow or a 10 footer to save his life, and is a liabilty in the clutch
not top 5

in 2001, Kobe was the 2nd best player in the league IMO
and top 3 in 2002

[32Dayz]

The dude cant even hit a freethrow or a 10 footer to save his life :oldlol:
no Shaq is not top 5

in 2001, Kobe was the 2nd best player in the league IMO
and top 3 in 2002

Shaq's Hook Shots easily went out to 10-12 Feet.

Even though he was never a great FT Shooter it didnt actually hamper his game.
He shot a high percentage 65%+ in the 01 4th Quarters and for the 02 Playoffs as a whole.

Cmon.. so if he shoots 70% instead of 55% he makes 2/3 more PPG and retired as the #2 or #3 Scorer all time.
He rarely shot bad enough that Hack a Shaq could be successfully used against him
(maybe 2-3 games in the entire 3peat) so you cant label it a major weakness.

He wasn't significantly worse then TD and he was better then Wilt and Russell.

His GOAT efficiency from the Field/Floor more then makes up for his slightly subpar efficiency from the line.

He was and is also #1 All-Time in eFG% and FG% which more then makes up for his slightly subpar efficiency from the stripe.

Losing 2-3 PPG on average from missed FT's when you have a guy scoring 25-30+ PPG on 57-60% Shooting is not a major issue.

[32Dayz]

liabilty in the clutch

:facepalm

Points scored in the 4th Quarter from 2000-2002 (Playoffs)
Shaq - 388
Kobe - 351

Series in which a player was the "Main Closer" 2000-2002 (Playoffs)
Shaq - 3 Series (00 POR, 00 IND, 02 SAC)
Kobe - 1 Series (02 SAS)

[Deuce Bigalow]

:facepalm

Points scored in the 4th Quarter from 2000-2002 (Playoffs)
Shaq - 388
Kobe - 351

Series in which a player was the "Main Closer" 2000-2002 (Playoffs)
Shaq - 3 Series (00 POR, 00 IND, 02 SAC)
Kobe - 1 Series (02 SAS)

clutch as in when the game is on the line

[Legends66NBA7]

in 2001, Kobe was the 2nd best player in the league IMO
and top 3 in 2002

Who was in your Top 3 in 2001 and 2002 ?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Who was in your Top 3 in 2001 and 2002 ?

2001
1. Shaq
2. Kobe
3. Duncan

2002
1. Shaq
2. Duncan
3. Kobe

[32Dayz]

clutch as in when the game is on the line

I dont think Kobe is "far better" in those sort of situations.

He relys on his Jumper in that situation which is irky and its why he shoots around 27-30% (League Average) on those sort of shots over his Career.

Shaq can jump up grab the ball in the same sort of situation and power to the basket. Sure he may get fouled and not complete the basket and he isnt 100% reliable on the line in those situations (although more often then not he is Clutch when it matters from the line)

So really Kobe has a very small edge in those sort of sitations certainly not big enough to sway an argument in his favour when comparing the two players.

And IMO every basket in the 4th Quarter in close games are considered Clutch.

[Legends66NBA7]

2001
1. Shaq
2. Kobe
3. Duncan

2002
1. Shaq
2. Duncan
3. Kobe

Interesting. Your opinion though.

[Jacks3]

The best perimeter player of his era.

Here are his numbers over nearly a decade:

28.5 PPG/5.8 RPG/5.4 APG/1.8 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS

Here are his seasons over this stretch:
29/6/5/2/55% TS
25/6/6/2/55% TS
30/7/6/2/1/55% TS
24/5/5/2/56% TS
28/6/6/1/56% TS
35/5/5/2/56% TS
32/6/5/2/58% TS
28/6/5/2/58% TS
27/5/5/2/56% TS
27/5/5/2/55% TS

Accolades/Accomplishments during this time:
4-Time NBA Champion
6-Time NBA Finalist
16X Player of the Month
8X All-NBA 1st Team
1X All-NBA 2nd Team
7X All-NBA 1st Team Defense
2X All-NBA 2nd Team Defense
9X All-Star
4X All-Star MVP
1X NBA-MVP
2X NBA-Finals MVP

Over this stretch he had:
24X 50+ point games
5X 60+ point games
105 40+ point games

Some of his sickest stretches:
9 straight 40+ point games (2003)
13 straight 35+ point games (2003)
4 straight 45+ point games (2006)
4 straight 50+ point games (2007)
Averaged 40+ PPG in four different months
Averaged 37/6/5/59% TS post All-Star Break (2007)
81 pts
62 pts in three quarters
8 different games where he recorded 50+ points through three quarters of play

Some of his best playoff runs:
2001: 29 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/56% TS. NBA Championship. Lakers go 15-1.
2002: 27 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/52% TS. NBA Championship.
2008: 30 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/58% TS. NBA Finals
2009: 30 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship
2010: 29 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship



:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Jacks3]

january 2006.

45/7/4/2
48/10/3/2
50/8/8/2
45/10/5/2
41/4/3/1
38/7/7/2
37/5/3/1
51/9/4/2
37/2/3/1
81/6/3/2
30/8/5/2
39/6/4/2
40/4/3/3

look at his game-logs in late 2007.

65/7/4/1
50/6/4/2
60/5/4/2
50/7/2/1
43/9/2/1
53/2/2/1
39/4/4/2
29/7/3/2
46/6/5/1
34/7/4/2
23/10/5/1
50/9/2/1
50/8/3/2
34/7/6/2

feb 2003.
40/8/4
38/5/4/2
42/4/4/2
35/7/2/2
46/6/4/2
42/5/5/2
51/3/3/2
44/6/4/2
40/5/4/2
52/8/7/2
40/6/2/1/1
40/7/2/2
41/5/5/2


:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[32Dayz]

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

I bet your on your knees often when you fantasize about Kobe.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Jacks3]

Says the biggest Shaq dick-rider in history. Oh the ironing. Bet you fantasize about having his sucking his dick all the time.

Phagett. :oldlol:

[32Dayz]

Says the biggest Shaq dick-rider in history. Oh the ironing. Bet you fantasize about having his sucking his dick all the time.

Phagett. :oldlol:

Nah, although he is my favorite player and one of the Top 3 Ballers Ever I dont find him particularly attractive.

:applause: :applause: :applause:

I know you wish you could run your hand through Young Kobe's Fro and whisper to him.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Interesting. Your opinion though.

whats yours?

[Jacks3]

january 2006.

45/7/4/2
48/10/3/2
50/8/8/2
45/10/5/2
41/4/3/1
38/7/7/2
37/5/3/1
51/9/4/2
37/2/3/1
81/6/3/2
30/8/5/2
39/6/4/2
40/4/3/3

look at his game-logs in late 2007.

65/7/4/1
50/6/4/2
60/5/4/2
50/7/2/1
43/9/2/1
53/2/2/1
39/4/4/2
29/7/3/2
46/6/5/1
34/7/4/2
23/10/5/1
50/9/2/1
50/8/3/2
34/7/6/2

feb 2003.
40/8/4
38/5/4/2
42/4/4/2
35/7/2/2
46/6/4/2
42/5/5/2
51/3/3/2
44/6/4/2
40/5/4/2
52/8/7/2
40/6/2/1/1
40/7/2/2
41/5/5/2


:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
April 2006:
43/6/4/2
43/6/3/1
42/8/21
51/5/5/2
38/5/5/3
50/6/5/1
43/8/5/3
35/5/5/2

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Nah, although he is my favorite player and one of the Top 3 Ballers Ever I dont find him particularly attractive.

:applause: :applause: :applause:

I know you wish you could run your hand through Young Kobe's Fro and whisper to him.

:oldlol:

[Jacks3]

I'd love to rub and ride Shaq's big black cawk.
Wow. You are a disgusting phagett. Clown. :oldlol:

[32Dayz]

Wow. You are a disgusting phagett. Clown. :oldlol:

http://images.wikia.com/callofduty/images/2/20/Kobe-U-Mad.jpg

BTW how do you know how big his thing is?
Guess you and Shaq have some special history. :eek:

:party:

[Jacks3]

This message is hidden because 32Dayz is on your ignore list.
Sweet bliss. Damn that dumass is annoying. :oldlol:

[Jacks3]

The best perimeter player of his era.

Here are his numbers over nearly a decade:

28.5 PPG/5.8 RPG/5.4 APG/1.8 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS

Here are his seasons over this stretch:
29/6/5/2/55% TS
25/6/6/2/55% TS
30/7/6/2/1/55% TS
24/5/5/2/56% TS
28/6/6/1/56% TS
35/5/5/2/56% TS
32/6/5/2/58% TS
28/6/5/2/58% TS
27/5/5/2/56% TS
27/5/5/2/55% TS

Accolades/Accomplishments during this time:
4-Time NBA Champion
6-Time NBA Finalist
16X Player of the Month
8X All-NBA 1st Team
1X All-NBA 2nd Team
7X All-NBA 1st Team Defense
2X All-NBA 2nd Team Defense
9X All-Star
4X All-Star MVP
1X NBA-MVP
2X NBA-Finals MVP

Over this stretch he had:
24X 50+ point games
5X 60+ point games
105 40+ point games

Some of his sickest stretches:
9 straight 40+ point games (2003)
13 straight 35+ point games (2003)
4 straight 45+ point games (2006)
4 straight 50+ point games (2007)
Averaged 40+ PPG in four different months
Averaged 37/6/5/59% TS post All-Star Break (2007)
81 pts
62 pts in three quarters
8 different games where he recorded 50+ points through three quarters of play

Some of his best playoff runs:
2001: 29 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/56% TS. NBA Championship. Lakers go 15-1.
2002: 27 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/52% TS. NBA Championship.
2008: 30 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/58% TS. NBA Finals
2009: 30 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship
2010: 29 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship



:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Jacks3]

january 2006.

45/7/4/2
48/10/3/2
50/8/8/2
45/10/5/2
41/4/3/1
38/7/7/2
37/5/3/1
51/9/4/2
37/2/3/1
81/6/3/2
30/8/5/2
39/6/4/2
40/4/3/3

look at his game-logs in late 2007.

65/7/4/1
50/6/4/2
60/5/4/2
50/7/2/1
43/9/2/1
53/2/2/1
39/4/4/2
29/7/3/2
46/6/5/1
34/7/4/2
23/10/5/1
50/9/2/1
50/8/3/2
34/7/6/2

feb 2003.
40/8/4
38/5/4/2
42/4/4/2
35/7/2/2
46/6/4/2
42/5/5/2
51/3/3/2
44/6/4/2
40/5/4/2
52/8/7/2
40/6/2/1/1
40/7/2/2
41/5/5/2


April 2006:
43/6/4/2
43/6/3/1
42/8/21
51/5/5/2
38/5/5/3
50/6/5/1
43/8/5/3
35/5/5/2

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[rodman91]

Top 5 Laker. :bowdown:

[Jacks3]

Top 10 player ever. :bowdown:
:applause:

[M.V.P]

There's little doubt that this guy was the best scorer of his generation. 29 ppg over 9 years is insane. The months of 40 ppg and streaks of 50 and 40 point games are insane. The performances of multiple 60 point games is something we may not see for another decade. Would love for Durant to develop into the type of explosive scorer Kobe was, because he certainly has the tools.

Shame we won't be seeing these types of performances anymore for a while.

[G-Funk]

Top 2 Laker!:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Jacks3]

There's little doubt that this guy was the best scorer of his generation. 29 ppg over 9 years is insane. The months of 40 ppg and streaks of 50 and 40 point games are insane. The performances of multiple 60 point games is something we may not see for another decade. Would love for Durant to develop into the type of explosive scorer Kobe was, because he certainly has the tools.

Shame we won't be seeing these types of performances anymore for a while.
:applause: :applause:

[rodman91]

Top 10 Guard
:D

[PTB Fan]

january 2006.

45/7/4/2
48/10/3/2
50/8/8/2
45/10/5/2
41/4/3/1
38/7/7/2
37/5/3/1
51/9/4/2
37/2/3/1
81/6/3/2
30/8/5/2
39/6/4/2
40/4/3/3

look at his game-logs in late 2007.

65/7/4/1
50/6/4/2
60/5/4/2
50/7/2/1
43/9/2/1
53/2/2/1
39/4/4/2
29/7/3/2
46/6/5/1
34/7/4/2
23/10/5/1
50/9/2/1
50/8/3/2
34/7/6/2

feb 2003.
40/8/4
38/5/4/2
42/4/4/2
35/7/2/2
46/6/4/2
42/5/5/2
51/3/3/2
44/6/4/2
40/5/4/2
52/8/7/2
40/6/2/1/1
40/7/2/2
41/5/5/2


April 2006:
43/6/4/2
43/6/3/1
42/8/21
51/5/5/2
38/5/5/3
50/6/5/1
43/8/5/3
35/5/5/2

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:


Damn... no doubt, Kobe's one of the best scorers ever. He's probably in the top 5 in that regard.

Consecutive 10+ 40 point efforts and so on. Even a monsterous 81 point effort versus the Raptors which is arguably the best scoring performance in modern basketball history.

[madmax]

Shotjacker and a ballhog...the kind of a player braindead teenagers worship:cheers: True talk, too bad his Shaq-less rings only came when certain spanish tower landed in LA and brought his efficient team-oriented approach to the game

[Yung D-Will]

Shotjacker and a ballhog...the kind of a player braindead teenagers worship:cheers: True talk, too bad his Shaq-less rings only came when certain spanish tower landed in LA and brought his efficient team-oriented approach to the game
This is exactly why there are such Kobe homers because of ridiculous haters like you.

The obsession people have with either hating on Lebron or Kobe is ridiculous.

Anyhow great performances from one of the all time great players to play the game.

[Heavincent]

Shotjacker and a ballhog...the kind of a player braindead teenagers worship:cheers: True talk, too bad his Shaq-less rings only came when certain spanish tower landed in LA and brought his efficient team-oriented approach to the game

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/kobe.gif

[Jacks3]

True talk, too bad his Shaq-less rings only came when certain spanish tower landed in LA and brought his efficient team-oriented approach to the game
Yeah, that Spanish Tower is so awesome. Look at this epicness before Bryant:

0 MVP votes
0 All-NBA Teams
1 All-Star appearance
Not even regarded as top 5 at his own position.
Not even regarded as a top 15 player.
Swept in PS three straight seasons

What a beast! :eek:

Hilarious coming from a LeBron fan though. Dude has a player better than Pau in Bosh AND another top 3 player in the league...and he still couldn't win shit. :oldlol:

[Jacks3]

Wooden knows what's up. :pimp:

[madmax]

This is exactly why there are such Kobe homers because of ridiculous haters like you.

The obsession people have with either hating on Lebron or Kobe is ridiculous.

Anyhow great performances from one of the all time great players to play the game.

LOL at calling me a hater when I'm just telling like it is:lol I guess we should forget all those amazing Kobrick days, when he couldn't lead his team anywhere while scoring 50 and 60 points regularly. So much for an impact player LOL. And before someone mentions Lebron, that dude had to carry scrubs from 04 till his last days in Cleveland before he couldn't take imcompetent managament anymore and left for a better team and chance to finally win a ring...I bet Lebron wishes he had those Lakers teams with Gasol, Odom and Bynum grabbing all of his misses and converting them into layups:cheers:

[Heavincent]

LOL at calling me a hater when I'm just telling like it is:lol I guess we should forget all those amazing Kobrick days, when he couldn't lead his team anywhere while scoring 50 and 60 points regularly. So much for an impact player LOL. And before someone mentions Lebron, that dude had to carry scrubs from 04 till his last days in Cleveland before he couldn't take imcompetent managament anymore and left for a better team and chance to finally win a ring...I bet Lebron wishes he had those Lakers teams with Gasol, Odom and Bynum grabbing all of his misses and converting them into layups:cheers:

So remind me, what happened in the 2011 Finals again?

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Stupid Lebron groupies.

[Jacks3]

LeBron couldn't win with a freaking top 3 player in the league and another perennial Al-Star PF and you wanna hate on Kobe for making three straight Finals and winning back-to-back rings with Pau GaSoft, Odom who's never been a All-Star, and Bynum? The dude that put up 6 pts/4rbs during their post-season runs? Really?

What a moron. :oldlol:

[Inception28]

Shotjacker and a ballhog...the kind of a player braindead teenagers worship:cheers: True talk, too bad his Shaq-less rings only came when certain spanish tower landed in LA and brought his efficient team-oriented approach to the game
yo my tv out, how many rings does Lebron have with a top 2-3, arguably the best player in the league?

[madmax]

LeBron couldn't win with a freaking top 3 player in the league and another perennial Al-Star PF and you wanna hate on Kobe for making three straight Finals and winning back-to-back rings with Pau GaSoft, Odom who's never been a All-Star, and Bynum? The dude that put up 6 pts/4rbs during their post-season runs? Really?

What a moron. :oldlol:

right, let's derail the topic with usual Lebron hate here...

First, no matter what TOP 2 or TOP 3 arguments you throw in here, that Heat team was dysfunctional and badly constructed with no post player or playmaker in sight. It was a team of 2 elite wing players, 1 soft jumpshooting all-star big man and a bunch of leftovers and nobodies. Hardly a great team when you analyze it. Not only that, but it was a first year of them all playing together and they already went to the finals...do I have to remind that Heat would have lost to Bulls if not for Lebron's clutch play? Yeah, I thought so:cheers:

[Inception28]

right, let's derail the topic with usual Lebron hate here...

First, no matter what TOP 2 or TOP 3 arguments you throw in here, that Heat team was dysfunctional and badly constructed with no post player or playmaker in sight. It was a team of 2 elite wing players, 1 soft jumpshooting all-star big man and a bunch of leftovers and nobodies. Hardly a great team when you analyze it. Not only that, but it was a first year of them all playing together and they already went to the finals...do I have to remind that Heat would have lost to Bulls if not for Lebron's clutch play? Yeah, I thought so:cheers:
If it were not for Lebron's play the Heat would have won the championship too

Lebron has never been the best player in the league, u mad brah?

[Jacks3]

right, let's derail the topic with usual Lebron hate here...


GTFO. Your trolling ass was blatantly trying to derail the topic. :oldlol:

BTW, I could make the same exact arguments for Kobe's supporting cast. Weak bench. No shooters. Worst starting PG in the league. etc. No team is perfect, but when you have a top 3 player in the league, AND another perennial All-Star PF coming off a 25/10/60% TS season (:eek: ), you're ridiculously stacked. lol @ you bringing up Kobe's supporting cast when your boy LeBron has a better supporting cast now than Kobe has ever had built around him. :oldlol:

[Doranku]

january 2006.

45/7/4/2
48/10/3/2
50/8/8/2
45/10/5/2
41/4/3/1
38/7/7/2
37/5/3/1
51/9/4/2
37/2/3/1
81/6/3/2
30/8/5/2
39/6/4/2
40/4/3/3

look at his game-logs in late 2007.

65/7/4/1
50/6/4/2
60/5/4/2
50/7/2/1
43/9/2/1
53/2/2/1
39/4/4/2
29/7/3/2
46/6/5/1
34/7/4/2
23/10/5/1
50/9/2/1
50/8/3/2
34/7/6/2

feb 2003.
40/8/4
38/5/4/2
42/4/4/2
35/7/2/2
46/6/4/2
42/5/5/2
51/3/3/2
44/6/4/2
40/5/4/2
52/8/7/2
40/6/2/1/1
40/7/2/2
41/5/5/2


April 2006:
43/6/4/2
43/6/3/1
42/8/21
51/5/5/2
38/5/5/3
50/6/5/1
43/8/5/3
35/5/5/2

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Yung D-Will]

right, let's derail the topic with usual Lebron hate here...

First, no matter what TOP 2 or TOP 3 arguments you throw in here, that Heat team was dysfunctional and badly constructed with no post player or playmaker in sight. It was a team of 2 elite wing players, 1 soft jumpshooting all-star big man and a bunch of leftovers and nobodies. Hardly a great team when you analyze it. Not only that, but it was a first year of them all playing together and they already went to the finals...do I have to remind that Heat would have lost to Bulls if not for Lebron's clutch play? Yeah, I thought so:cheers:


You already deralied it with Kobe hate which is gonna lead to Lebron hate :rolleyes:

[Jacks3]

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[gengiskhan]

2000 - 2010

Worse defensive NBA Era since 1970s:roll: :roll:


Kobe competing against Euro-trash who cannot even warm bench in '80s & '90s decade :roll: :roll:


199 lock-out: NBA desperately tries to save NBA as post-Jordan era started & viewership decline.


1999 lock out resulted in sissy defensive rules & perimeter friendly offensive rules & resulted in the end of great defensive teams like '98 pacers, '90s decade bulls, '90s decade knicks, heat, bullets etc etc. '80s Bad Boys pistons, celtics etc etc.:roll: :roll:

Kobe still cannot have over 47%FG in even a single season with "perimeter" offensive rules. :roll: :roll:

Inflated stats of Kobe due to shot jocking. :roll:


Kobe : 1 consolidation MVP. Nash - 2, Duncan- 2.

close this retarded kobe'tarded trashy thread.:facepalm

[RRR3]

If it were not for Lebron's play the Heat would have won the championship too

Lebron has never been the best player in the league, u mad brah?
You're retarded. LeBron has been the best player in the league the last 3 years. :facepalm

[Legends66NBA7]

You're retarded. LeBron has been the best player in the league the last 3 years. :facepalm

Why even bother with them bro? Once people say LeBron was never the best player in the league, it's time to put them on ignore and move on.

[Doctor Rivers]

2000 - 2010

Worse defensive NBA Era since 1970s:roll: :roll:


Kobe competing against Euro-trash who cannot even warm bench in '80s & '90s decade :roll: :roll:


199 lock-out: NBA desperately tries to save NBA as post-Jordan era started & viewership decline.


1999 lock out resulted in sissy defensive rules & perimeter friendly offensive rules & resulted in the end of great defensive teams like '98 pacers, '90s decade bulls, '90s decade knicks, heat, bullets etc etc. '80s Bad Boys pistons, celtics etc etc.:roll: :roll:

Kobe still cannot have over 47%FG in even a single season with "perimeter" offensive rules. :roll: :roll:

Inflated stats of Kobe due to shot jocking. :roll:


Kobe : 1 consolidation MVP. Nash - 2, Duncan- 2.

close this retarded kobe'tarded trashy thread.:facepalm

lol

[Jacks3]

The best perimeter player of his era.

Here are his numbers over nearly a decade:

28.5 PPG/5.8 RPG/5.4 APG/1.8 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS

Here are his seasons over this stretch:
29/6/5/2/55% TS
25/6/6/2/55% TS
30/7/6/2/1/55% TS
24/5/5/2/56% TS
28/6/6/1/56% TS
35/5/5/2/56% TS
32/6/5/2/58% TS
28/6/5/2/58% TS
27/5/5/2/56% TS
27/5/5/2/55% TS

Accolades/Accomplishments during this time:
4-Time NBA Champion
6-Time NBA Finalist
16X Player of the Month
8X All-NBA 1st Team
1X All-NBA 2nd Team
7X All-NBA 1st Team Defense
2X All-NBA 2nd Team Defense
9X All-Star
4X All-Star MVP
1X NBA-MVP
2X NBA-Finals MVP

Over this stretch he had:
24X 50+ point games
5X 60+ point games
105 40+ point games

Some of his sickest stretches:
9 straight 40+ point games (2003)
13 straight 35+ point games (2003)
4 straight 45+ point games (2006)
4 straight 50+ point games (2007)
Averaged 40+ PPG in four different months
Averaged 37/6/5/59% TS post All-Star Break (2007)
81 pts
62 pts in three quarters
8 different games where he recorded 50+ points through three quarters of play

Some of his best playoff runs:
2001: 29 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/56% TS. NBA Championship. Lakers go 15-1.
2002: 27 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/52% TS. NBA Championship.
2008: 30 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/58% TS. NBA Finals
2009: 30 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship
2010: 29 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship



:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Jacks3]

january 2006.

45/7/4/2
48/10/3/2
50/8/8/2
45/10/5/2
41/4/3/1
38/7/7/2
37/5/3/1
51/9/4/2
37/2/3/1
81/6/3/2
30/8/5/2
39/6/4/2
40/4/3/3

look at his game-logs in late 2007.

65/7/4/1
50/6/4/2
60/5/4/2
50/7/2/1
43/9/2/1
53/2/2/1
39/4/4/2
29/7/3/2
46/6/5/1
34/7/4/2
23/10/5/1
50/9/2/1
50/8/3/2
34/7/6/2

feb 2003.
40/8/4
38/5/4/2
42/4/4/2
35/7/2/2
46/6/4/2
42/5/5/2
51/3/3/2
44/6/4/2
40/5/4/2
52/8/7/2
40/6/2/1/1
40/7/2/2
41/5/5/2


April 2006:
43/6/4/2
43/6/3/1
42/8/21
51/5/5/2
38/5/5/3
50/6/5/1
43/8/5/3
35/5/5/2

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[D-Wade316]

2000 - 2010

Worse defensive NBA Era since 1970s:roll: :roll:


Kobe competing against Euro-trash who cannot even warm bench in '80s & '90s decade :roll: :roll:


199 lock-out: NBA desperately tries to save NBA as post-Jordan era started & viewership decline.


1999 lock out resulted in sissy defensive rules & perimeter friendly offensive rules & resulted in the end of great defensive teams like '98 pacers, '90s decade bulls, '90s decade knicks, heat, bullets etc etc. '80s Bad Boys pistons, celtics etc etc.:roll: :roll:

Kobe still cannot have over 47%FG in even a single season with "perimeter" offensive rules. :roll: :roll:

Inflated stats of Kobe due to shot jocking. :roll:


Kobe : 1 consolidation MVP. Nash - 2, Duncan- 2.

close this retarded kobe'tarded trashy thread.:facepalm
LOLZ

[Jacks3]

The best perimeter player of his era.

Here are his numbers over nearly a decade:

28.5 PPG/5.8 RPG/5.4 APG/1.8 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS

Here are his seasons over this stretch:
29/6/5/2/55% TS
25/6/6/2/55% TS
30/7/6/2/1/55% TS
24/5/5/2/56% TS
28/6/6/1/56% TS
35/5/5/2/56% TS
32/6/5/2/58% TS
28/6/5/2/58% TS
27/5/5/2/56% TS
27/5/5/2/55% TS

Accolades/Accomplishments during this time:
4-Time NBA Champion
6-Time NBA Finalist
16X Player of the Month
8X All-NBA 1st Team
1X All-NBA 2nd Team
7X All-NBA 1st Team Defense
2X All-NBA 2nd Team Defense
9X All-Star
4X All-Star MVP
1X NBA-MVP
2X NBA-Finals MVP

Over this stretch he had:
24X 50+ point games
5X 60+ point games
105 40+ point games

Some of his sickest stretches:
9 straight 40+ point games (2003)
13 straight 35+ point games (2003)
4 straight 45+ point games (2006)
4 straight 50+ point games (2007)
Averaged 40+ PPG in four different months
Averaged 37/6/5/59% TS post All-Star Break (2007)
81 pts
62 pts in three quarters
8 different games where he recorded 50+ points through three quarters of play

Some of his best playoff runs:
2001: 29 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/56% TS. NBA Championship. Lakers go 15-1.
2002: 27 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/52% TS. NBA Championship.
2008: 30 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/58% TS. NBA Finals
2009: 30 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship
2010: 29 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship



:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Some of his best games:

48/16 vs Sac in 01 playoffs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpArN4LbTI0


62 pts in three quarters. Outscored Dallas by himself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJNoFs3G91A


65 pts vs the Blazers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufIQnlbTXyE

52 pts vs Utah including 30 in one quarter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax42Lbc-igs

81 pts:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRikrksH8es



:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[gengiskhan]

2000 - 2010

Worse defensive NBA Era since 1970s:roll: :roll:


Kobe competing against Euro-trash who cannot even warm bench in '80s & '90s decade :roll: :roll:


199 lock-out: NBA desperately tries to save NBA as post-Jordan era started & viewership decline.


1999 lock out resulted in sissy defensive rules & perimeter friendly offensive rules & resulted in the end of great defensive teams like '98 pacers, '90s decade bulls, '90s decade knicks, heat, bullets etc etc. '80s Bad Boys pistons, celtics etc etc.:roll: :roll:

Kobe still cannot have over 47%FG in even a single season with "perimeter" offensive rules. :roll: :roll:

Inflated stats of Kobe due to shot jocking. :roll:


Kobe : 1 consolidation MVP. Nash - 2, Duncan- 2.

close this retarded kobe'tarded trashy thread.:facepalm

this.

[32Dayz]

MVP Shares / Votes / Points from 01-05.
TMac : 925
Kobe : 817

01 - 05
TMac > Kobe

[Jacks3]

The best perimeter player of his era.

Here are his numbers over nearly a decade:

28.5 PPG/5.8 RPG/5.4 APG/1.8 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS

Here are his seasons over this stretch:
29/6/5/2/55% TS
25/6/6/2/55% TS
30/7/6/2/1/55% TS
24/5/5/2/56% TS
28/6/6/1/56% TS
35/5/5/2/56% TS
32/6/5/2/58% TS
28/6/5/2/58% TS
27/5/5/2/56% TS
27/5/5/2/55% TS

Accolades/Accomplishments during this time:
4-Time NBA Champion
6-Time NBA Finalist
16X Player of the Month
8X All-NBA 1st Team
1X All-NBA 2nd Team
7X All-NBA 1st Team Defense
2X All-NBA 2nd Team Defense
9X All-Star
4X All-Star MVP
1X NBA-MVP
2X NBA-Finals MVP

Over this stretch he had:
24X 50+ point games
5X 60+ point games
105 40+ point games

Some of his sickest stretches:
9 straight 40+ point games (2003)
13 straight 35+ point games (2003)
4 straight 45+ point games (2006)
4 straight 50+ point games (2007)
Averaged 40+ PPG in four different months
Averaged 37/6/5/59% TS post All-Star Break (2007)
81 pts
62 pts in three quarters
8 different games where he recorded 50+ points through three quarters of play

Some of his best playoff runs:
2001: 29 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/56% TS. NBA Championship. Lakers go 15-1.
2002: 27 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/52% TS. NBA Championship.
2008: 30 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/58% TS. NBA Finals
2009: 30 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship
2010: 29 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship



:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

What a decade. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Jacks3]

january 2006.

45/7/4/2
48/10/3/2
50/8/8/2
45/10/5/2
41/4/3/1
38/7/7/2
37/5/3/1
51/9/4/2
37/2/3/1
81/6/3/2
30/8/5/2
39/6/4/2
40/4/3/3

look at his game-logs in late 2007.

65/7/4/1
50/6/4/2
60/5/4/2
50/7/2/1
43/9/2/1
53/2/2/1
39/4/4/2
29/7/3/2
46/6/5/1
34/7/4/2
23/10/5/1
50/9/2/1
50/8/3/2
34/7/6/2

feb 2003.
40/8/4
38/5/4/2
42/4/4/2
35/7/2/2
46/6/4/2
42/5/5/2
51/3/3/2
44/6/4/2
40/5/4/2
52/8/7/2
40/6/2/1/1
40/7/2/2
41/5/5/2


April 2006:
43/6/4/2
43/6/3/1
42/8/21
51/5/5/2
38/5/5/3
50/6/5/1
43/8/5/3
35/5/5/2

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
is this real life. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Jacks3]

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Some of his best games:

48/16 vs Sac in 01 playoffs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpArN4LbTI0


62 pts in three quarters. Outscored Dallas by himself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJNoFs3G91A


65 pts vs the Blazers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufIQnlbTXyE

52 pts vs Utah including 30 in one quarter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax42Lbc-igs

81 pts:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRikrksH8es



:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
oh lawd.

[32Dayz]

is this real life. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

You realize you can make list's like this for any player and there's atleast 10-12 players who's list would absolutely s*** on Kobe's right?

:facepalm

MVP Shares / Votes / Points from 01-05.
TMac : 925
Kobe : 817

01 - 05
TMac > Kobe

[Mr. Bryant]

The best perimeter player of his era.

Here are his numbers over nearly a decade:

28.5 PPG/5.8 RPG/5.4 APG/1.8 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS

Here are his seasons over this stretch:
29/6/5/2/55% TS
25/6/6/2/55% TS
30/7/6/2/1/55% TS
24/5/5/2/56% TS
28/6/6/1/56% TS
35/5/5/2/56% TS
32/6/5/2/58% TS
28/6/5/2/58% TS
27/5/5/2/56% TS
27/5/5/2/55% TS

Accolades/Accomplishments during this time:
4-Time NBA Champion
6-Time NBA Finalist
16X Player of the Month
8X All-NBA 1st Team
1X All-NBA 2nd Team
7X All-NBA 1st Team Defense
2X All-NBA 2nd Team Defense
9X All-Star
4X All-Star MVP
1X NBA-MVP
2X NBA-Finals MVP

Over this stretch he had:
24X 50+ point games
5X 60+ point games
105 40+ point games

Some of his sickest stretches:
9 straight 40+ point games (2003)
13 straight 35+ point games (2003)
4 straight 45+ point games (2006)
4 straight 50+ point games (2007)
Averaged 40+ PPG in four different months
Averaged 37/6/5/59% TS post All-Star Break (2007)
81 pts
62 pts in three quarters
8 different games where he recorded 50+ points through three quarters of play

Some of his best playoff runs:
2001: 29 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/56% TS. NBA Championship. Lakers go 15-1.
2002: 27 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/52% TS. NBA Championship.
2008: 30 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/58% TS. NBA Finals
2009: 30 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship
2010: 29 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship

january 2006.

45/7/4/2
48/10/3/2
50/8/8/2
45/10/5/2
41/4/3/1
38/7/7/2
37/5/3/1
51/9/4/2
37/2/3/1
81/6/3/2
30/8/5/2
39/6/4/2
40/4/3/3

look at his game-logs in late 2007.

65/7/4/1
50/6/4/2
60/5/4/2
50/7/2/1
43/9/2/1
53/2/2/1
39/4/4/2
29/7/3/2
46/6/5/1
34/7/4/2
23/10/5/1
50/9/2/1
50/8/3/2
34/7/6/2

feb 2003.
40/8/4
38/5/4/2
42/4/4/2
35/7/2/2
46/6/4/2
42/5/5/2
51/3/3/2
44/6/4/2
40/5/4/2
52/8/7/2
40/6/2/1/1
40/7/2/2
41/5/5/2


April 2006:
43/6/4/2
43/6/3/1
42/8/21
51/5/5/2
38/5/5/3
50/6/5/1
43/8/5/3
35/5/5/2




:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[32Dayz]

MVP Shares / Votes / Points from 01-05.
TMac : 925
Kobe : 817

01 - 05
TMac > Kobe

Players from this Generation :

Jordan > Shaq >>> Duncan >>>>> KG/Kobe

[Jacks3]

The best perimeter player of his era.

Here are his numbers over nearly a decade:

28.5 PPG/5.8 RPG/5.4 APG/1.8 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS

Here are his seasons over this stretch:
29/6/5/2/55% TS
25/6/6/2/55% TS
30/7/6/2/1/55% TS
24/5/5/2/56% TS
28/6/6/1/56% TS
35/5/5/2/56% TS
32/6/5/2/58% TS
28/6/5/2/58% TS
27/5/5/2/56% TS
27/5/5/2/55% TS

Accolades/Accomplishments during this time:
4-Time NBA Champion
6-Time NBA Finalist
16X Player of the Month
8X All-NBA 1st Team
1X All-NBA 2nd Team
7X All-NBA 1st Team Defense
2X All-NBA 2nd Team Defense
9X All-Star
4X All-Star MVP
1X NBA-MVP
2X NBA-Finals MVP

Over this stretch he had:
24X 50+ point games
5X 60+ point games
105 40+ point games

Some of his sickest stretches:
9 straight 40+ point games (2003)
13 straight 35+ point games (2003)
4 straight 45+ point games (2006)
4 straight 50+ point games (2007)
Averaged 40+ PPG in four different months
Averaged 37/6/5/59% TS post All-Star Break (2007)
81 pts
62 pts in three quarters
8 different games where he recorded 50+ points through three quarters of play

Some of his best playoff runs:
2001: 29 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/56% TS. NBA Championship. Lakers go 15-1.
2002: 27 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/52% TS. NBA Championship.
2008: 30 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/58% TS. NBA Finals
2009: 30 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship
2010: 29 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship



:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
Incredible. :bowdown:

[Jacks3]

january 2006.

45/7/4/2
48/10/3/2
50/8/8/2
45/10/5/2
41/4/3/1
38/7/7/2
37/5/3/1
51/9/4/2
37/2/3/1
81/6/3/2
30/8/5/2
39/6/4/2
40/4/3/3

look at his game-logs in late 2007.

65/7/4/1
50/6/4/2
60/5/4/2
50/7/2/1
43/9/2/1
53/2/2/1
39/4/4/2
29/7/3/2
46/6/5/1
34/7/4/2
23/10/5/1
50/9/2/1
50/8/3/2
34/7/6/2

feb 2003.
40/8/4
38/5/4/2
42/4/4/2
35/7/2/2
46/6/4/2
42/5/5/2
51/3/3/2
44/6/4/2
40/5/4/2
52/8/7/2
40/6/2/1/1
40/7/2/2
41/5/5/2


April 2006:
43/6/4/2
43/6/3/1
42/8/21
51/5/5/2
38/5/5/3
50/6/5/1
43/8/5/3
35/5/5/2

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
Amazing. :bowdown:

[Jacks3]

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Some of his best games:

48/16 vs Sac in 01 playoffs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpArN4LbTI0


62 pts in three quarters. Outscored Dallas by himself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJNoFs3G91A


65 pts vs the Blazers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufIQnlbTXyE

52 pts vs Utah including 30 in one quarter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax42Lbc-igs

81 pts:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRikrksH8es



:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
Very nice. :applause:

[32Dayz]

MVP Shares / Votes / Points from 01-05.
TMac : 925
Kobe : 817

01 - 05
TMac > Kobe

Players from this Generation :

Jordan > Shaq >>> Duncan >>>>> KG/Kobe

---------------------------------------------------------------------

#1.
Jordan : Post Season - PER
Peak : 32
Top 5 : 30.16
Top 7 : 29.61

Top 10 : 28.89
Top 13 : 28.6

---------------------------------------------------------------------

#6.
Lebron : Post Season - PER
Peak : 37.4
Top 5 : 27.58
Top 7 : 26.77

---------------------------------------------------------------------

#9.
Wade : Post Season - PER
Peak : 29.4
Top 5 : 26.64
Top 7 : 24.5

---------------------------------------------------------------------

#10.
TMac : Post Season - PER
Peak : 27.2
Top 5 : 26.2
Top 7 : 24.5

---------------------------------------------------------------------

#11.
Jerry West : Post Season - PER
Peak : 26.7
Top 5 : 25.36
Top 7 : 24.59

---------------------------------------------------------------------

#15.
Kobe : Post Season - PER
Peak : 26.8
Top 5 : 24
Top 7 : 23

Top 10 : 22.98
Top 13 : 21.62

---------------------------------------------------------------------

[Jacks3]

The best perimeter player of his era.

Here are his numbers over nearly a decade:

28.5 PPG/5.8 RPG/5.4 APG/1.8 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS

Here are his seasons over this stretch:
29/6/5/2/55% TS
25/6/6/2/55% TS
30/7/6/2/1/55% TS
24/5/5/2/56% TS
28/6/6/1/56% TS
35/5/5/2/56% TS
32/6/5/2/58% TS
28/6/5/2/58% TS
27/5/5/2/56% TS
27/5/5/2/55% TS

Accolades/Accomplishments during this time:
4-Time NBA Champion
6-Time NBA Finalist
16X Player of the Month
8X All-NBA 1st Team
1X All-NBA 2nd Team
7X All-NBA 1st Team Defense
2X All-NBA 2nd Team Defense
9X All-Star
4X All-Star MVP
1X NBA-MVP
2X NBA-Finals MVP

Over this stretch he had:
24X 50+ point games
5X 60+ point games
105 40+ point games

Some of his sickest stretches:
9 straight 40+ point games (2003)
13 straight 35+ point games (2003)
4 straight 45+ point games (2006)
4 straight 50+ point games (2007)
Averaged 40+ PPG in four different months
Averaged 37/6/5/59% TS post All-Star Break (2007)
81 pts
62 pts in three quarters
8 different games where he recorded 50+ points through three quarters of play

Some of his best playoff runs:
2001: 29 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/56% TS. NBA Championship. Lakers go 15-1.
2002: 27 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/52% TS. NBA Championship.
2008: 30 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/58% TS. NBA Finals
2009: 30 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship
2010: 29 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship



:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
Bryant is tied with Hakeem Olajuwon for sixth on the all-time NBA list for 40 point playoff games (11); Bryant's game six performance versus Phoenix marks the eighth straight time that he has scored at least 30 points in a potential closeout game on the road, extending a league record that he already held (Baylor ranks second with six such games).During one stretch Bryant scored at least 30 points in six straight playoff wins, matching the NBA record held by Olajuwon and O'Neal (that streak was snapped when Bryant had 21 points and 13 assists in the aforementioned game two victory over Phoenix).
Bryant now has scored at least 30 points in 75 career playoff games, tying Kareem Abdul-Jabbar for second on the all-time list behind Jordan (109). West (74) ranks fourth, while Baylor (60) is fifth.
Bryant recently moved into fourth all-time on the NBA-ABA playoff career scoring list.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[32Dayz]

MVP Shares / Votes / Points from 01-05.
TMac : 925
Kobe : 817

01 - 05
TMac > Kobe

Players from this Generation :

Jordan > Shaq >>> Duncan >>>>> KG/Kobe

---------------------------------------------------------------------

#1.
Jordan : Post Season - PER
Peak : 32
Top 5 : 30.16
Top 7 : 29.61

Top 10 : 28.89
Top 13 : 28.6

---------------------------------------------------------------------

#6.
Lebron : Post Season - PER
Peak : 37.4
Top 5 : 27.58
Top 7 : 26.77

---------------------------------------------------------------------

#9.
Wade : Post Season - PER
Peak : 29.4
Top 5 : 26.64
Top 7 : 24.5

---------------------------------------------------------------------

#10.
TMac : Post Season - PER
Peak : 27.2
Top 5 : 26.2
Top 7 : 24.5

---------------------------------------------------------------------

#11.
Jerry West : Post Season - PER
Peak : 26.7
Top 5 : 25.36
Top 7 : 24.59

---------------------------------------------------------------------

#15.
Kobe : Post Season - PER
Peak : 26.8
Top 5 : 24
Top 7 : 23

Top 10 : 22.98
Top 13 : 21.62

---------------------------------------------------------------------

[Jacks3]

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Some of his best games:

48/16 vs Sac in 01 playoffs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpArN4LbTI0


62 pts in three quarters. Outscored Dallas by himself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJNoFs3G91A


65 pts vs the Blazers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufIQnlbTXyE

52 pts vs Utah including 30 in one quarter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax42Lbc-igs

81 pts:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRikrksH8es



:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
45/10 vs SA in the 01 playoffs:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkvpnmAk2xU

40/8/8/2 in the 09 Finals:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f42xjUtR39c&feature=related

61 pts at MSG: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_elxDYohBw&feature=related

49/10/5 vs Denver in the 08 Playoffs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBQgq8-7DKc&feature=related

53/10/9 vs the Rockets and Shane Battier:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_MkgT-Nuak

50/5/5/2 in 2006 playoffs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCYXaFteOlk

45/7/5 in 07 playoffs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Vril3CbTpM&feature=related

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[barnett114]

Jacks3 obsession is bad.

[iDefend5]

Jacks3 obsession is bad.
strong 1st post

[JDurkin]

Honestly, I'm going to be honored to say I was able to watch Kobe play when it's all said and done. It's been a pleasure.

[pegasus]

Honestly, I'm going to be honored to say I was able to watch Kobe play when it's all said and done. It's been a pleasure.
My exact feelings. I got into playing and watching basketball during his rookie season, and watching him become one of the best players of all time has been a true pleasure.

This league will suffer when he retires, and even his haters will miss him.

[bwink23]

I'm gonna miss the offensive flopping, yelling HEY on every weak play, crying to the refs instead of getting back on defense, and all the excuses his tard fans make for him in every given situation....it's been a pleasure.

[barnett114]

strong 1st post

It's bad though.

[RRR3]

I'll probably miss Kobe, but I sure as hell won't miss his fans.

[IamRAMBO24]

Kobe put up some great stat sheets, but he was never truly a leader. He was way too selfish with the ball to get his teammates involve.

He was fun to watch since he mirrored his game close to Jordan's, but that will be his greatest downfall since he could never lived up to Jordan.

Kobe should of respected Shaq a bit more; it was Shaq's team. The guys saw him as a leader and respected Kobe as the 2nd man. There was no need to push him off the team and try to take over.

The problem with Kobe is he has no dignity or self respect, hence why he can never be a true leader. Being a leader isn't about just putting up big numbers and stats, but rather getting the guys around you to like you enough to follow.

It is sad Fisher is more of a leader than Kobe ever was.

[Heavincent]

I'll probably miss Kobe, but I sure as hell won't miss his fans.

His fans aren't going away.

And don't act like Lebron fans aren't just as obnoxious.

[Heavincent]

Kobe put up some great stat sheets, but he was never truly a leader. He was way too selfish with the ball to get his teammates involve.


His 5 rings disagree with you.

[NumberSix]

His fans aren't going away.

And don't act like Lebron fans aren't just as obnoxious.
As a lifelong Laker fan who's able to admit that LeBron is better than Kobe, no. LeBron fans are nowhere near as bad as Kobe fans.

The amount of revisionist history, cherry picking, false claims, insecurity and hate for other players from Kobe fans is on a unmatched level of it's own.

[Bladers]

As a lifelong Laker fan who's able to admit that LeBron is better than Kobe, no. LeBron fans are nowhere near as bad as Kobe fans.

The amount of revisionist history, cherry picking, false claims, insecurity and hate for other players from Kobe fans is on a unmatched level of it's own.

Hey Bwink23.

[NumberSix]

Hey Bwink23.
I'm not "Bwink23". :no:

[IamRAMBO24]

His 5 rings disagree with you.

A players true worth is not based on the amount of rings he has, but rather the amount of MVP and FMVP awards he has.

Kobe played 2 of his best years of basketball when he won the FMVP 2 times in a row. Those years happen to be Kobe's most productive role as a team player.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=252241

[SwooshReturns]

Those years happen to be Kobe's most productive role as a team player.
Due to circumstance.

If Kobe has an even remotely competent roster in consecutive seasons from 2006 - 2008, when he was clearly at his absolute peak, he gets well over 50 wins in the regular season, gets past the first round of the playoffs ... and easily should've been a 3x MVP.

Kobe was still having to battle the media scrutiny of him in 2006 and 2007, still battling the selfish tag, and the "he ran Shaq out of town" non sense which made voters skeptical of voting him as MVP.

He was undoubtedly the best player in the league to anyone with eye balls in 2006, 2007, and 2008. He should have 3 MVPs as of right now. The same way Shaq should have 4 or 5 MVPs right now, and MJ should have like 7 or 8 MVPs, etc.