ISH's #20 Player of Alltime

[Deuce Bigalow]

#1: Michael Jordan (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=237455)
#2: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=237815)
#3: Bill Russell (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=237918)
#4: Magic Johnson (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238016)
#5: Wilt Chamberlain (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238103)
#6: Larry Bird (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238181)
#7: Shaquille O'Neal (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238203)
#8: Tim Duncan (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238309)
#9: Hakeem Olajuwon (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238385)
#10: Kobe Bryant (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238486)
#11: Jerry West (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238569)
#12: Oscar Robertson (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238681)
#13: Moses Malone (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238749)
#14: Julius Erving (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238814)
#15: Charles Barkley (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238859)
#16: Karl Malone (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238954)
#17: Kevin Garnett (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239053)
#18: Dirk Nowitzki (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239130)
#19: David Robinson (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239207)

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ISH's #19 Player of Alltime - David Robinson

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Candidates:
George Mikan
Bob Pettit
Elgin Baylor
John Havlicek
Isiah Thomas
Rick Barry
Dwyane Wade
Lebron James
Patrick Ewing
Scottie Pippen
John Stockton
Steve Nash
Elvin Hayes
Allen Iverson
Clyde Drexler
Bob Cousy
Jason Kidd
Pete Maravich
Gary Payton

[King24]

LeBron James.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Lebron....again

[DaPerceive]

I'm going to go against the flow and vote Dwyane Wade. Wade will probably lose to Lebron though. I don't agree with Lebron being ranked above Wade, but I do understand the arguments for Lebron.

[Legends66NBA7]

I'm going to go against the flow and vote Dwyane Wade. Wade will probably lose to Lebron though. I don't agree with Lebron being ranked above Wade, but I do understand the arguments for Lebron.

I posted in the T-Mac thread by the way, just though I would give you the heads up, if you were still interested.

[DuMa]

Pippen.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Here are some other top 20 lists from other forums

Prosportsdaily
1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Wilt Chamberlain
4. Magic Johnson
5. Bill Russell
6. Larry Bird
7. Shaquille O'neal
8. Kobe Bryant
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Tim Duncan
11. Oscar Robertson
12. Moses Malone
13. Jerry West
14. Karl Malone
15. Julius Erving
16. David Robinson
17. Charles Barkley
18. John Stockton
19. George Mikan
20. Kevin Garnett

RealGM
1) Michael Jordan
2) Bill Russell
3) Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4) Magic Johnson
5) Wilt Chamberlain
6) Larry Bird
7) Shaquille O'Neal
8) Tim Duncan
9) Hakeem Olajuwon
10) Kobe Bryant
11) Julius Erving
12) Karl Malone
13) Kevin Garnett
14) Oscar Robertson
15) Jerry West
16) Moses Malone
17) Dirk Nowitzki
18) LeBron James
19) Bob Pettit
20) Charles Barkley

[ThemBombs]

LeBron

[Inception28]

Pippen

[Delta_Hoop]

Pippen

[Harison]

Mikan

[MichaelCheazley]

WTF? pippen? ISIAH THOMAS!!!

[winwin]

Pippen

[Asukal]

Isaiah Thomas. :cheers:

[WillC]

Elgin Baylor.

Lol at this list.

[bballnoob1192]

this list is getting worse and worse started with kg and dirk.......elgin motha ****ing baylor

[RobertdeMeijer]

John Havlicek

[Dragonyeuw]

This list has gone right down the tubes since around number 15. Anyways... Elgin Baylor.

[pauk]

LEBRON JAMES NBA CAREER

2 x MVP
2 x All-Star MVP
Rookie of the Year
7 x NBA All-Star
1 x NBA scoring champion
5 x All-NBA 1st team
3 x All-Defensive 1st team
All-Rookie 1st team
1 x Gold Medal
17 x Player of the Month trophies (most in NBA history)
2 x Best NBA Player awards


STATS:

17362 points @ 27.7 PPG (#3 all time)
4451 rebounds @ 7.1 RPG
4364 assists @ 7.0 APG
1079 steals @ 1.7 SPG
532 blocks @ 0.8 BPG
40 total triple doubles

PER - 26.9 (#2 all-time and #3 in Playoffs, after Michael Jordan)


NBA achievements

One of eight players in NBA history to score 2,000 points seven consecutive seasons..[1] Includes Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Wilt Chamberlain, Michael Jordan, Alex English, Karl Malone, Oscar Robertson, Dominique Wilkins.

One of four players in NBA history to average at least 20 points, 5 rebounds, and 5 assists in their rookie season.[1] Includes Oscar Robertson, Michael Jordan, Tyreke Evans.

One of five players in NBA history to average over 25 points, 7 rebounds and 7 assists in a season (achieved this four times).[1] Includes Oscar Robertson (achieved this six times), John Havlicek (achieved this twice), Larry Bird, and Michael Jordan.

One of three players in NBA history to average at least 30 points, 7 rebounds and 7 assists in a season.[1] Includes Oscar Robertson (achieved this five times) and Michael Jordan.

One of four player in NBA history to average at least 31 points, 7 rebounds and 6 assists in a season.[1] Includes Oscar Robertson (achieved this twice), Jerry West, and Michael Jordan.

One of two players in NBA history to average at least 27 points, 6 rebounds and 6 assists for six consecutive seasons.[1] Behind Oscar Robertson, who achieved this eight consecutive times.

One of two players in NBA history to post at least 2000 points, 500 rebounds and 500 assists in a season for at least six seasons.[1] Behind Oscar Robertson, who achieved this six times in his career.

One of four players in NBA history to average at least 25 points, 5 rebounds and 5 assists for their career.[1] Includes Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, and Michael Jordan.

Only player in NBA history to average at least 26 points, 6 rebounds and 6 assists for their career.[1]
Only player in NBA history to post at least 2000 points, 500 rebounds, 500 assists and 100 steals in four straight seasons.[1]
One of three players in NBA history to average at least 30 points, 10 rebounds and 7 assists in a postseason series.[2] Includes Oscar Robertson and Larry Bird.

One of three players in NBA history to record a triple-double in their playoff debut.[1] Includes Johnny McCarthy and Magic Johnson.

One of two players in NBA history to win the NBA Player of the Month Award four times for two consecutive seasons.[3] Tied with Kevin Garnett, who achieved the same in the 2003-04 NBA Season.

One of four players in NBA history to lead their team in all five major statistical categories (total points, rebounds, assists, blocks and steals) in a season (2008–09 season).[4] Includes Dave Cowens (1977–78), Scottie Pippen (1994–95) and Kevin Garnett (2002–03).

1st player in NBA History to receive 2.5 million NBA All-Star votes on 3 separate occasions.
1st player in NBA History to score at least 40 points in the first road playoff game with 41 points at the Washington Wizards on April 28, 2006.
1st player in NBA History to lead the team in points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks for two consecutive seasons (2008–2009, 2009–2010).
1st forward in NBA history to average more than 8.0 assists per game (2009–2010).
2nd place all-time for consecutive 20-point games to start a playoff career with 19.[5] Behind Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's 27 consecutive games

Most consecutive points scored for a team in a playoff game with 25 straight points at the Detroit Pistons on May 31, 2007.[6]


Youngest player records

James owns numerous NBA "youngest player" records. He is the youngest to:

To be selected #1 overall draft pick (18 years of age).[1]
To be named NBA Rookie of the Year (19 years of age).[1]
To record a triple-double (20 years, 20 days).[1] Recorded 27 points, 11 rebounds, and 10 assists on January 19, 2005 vs. Portland Trail Blazers.
To record a triple-double in the playoffs. (21 years, 113 days).[1] Recorded 32 points, 11 rebounds, and 11 assists on April 22, 2006 vs. Washington Wizards.
To score 30 points in a game (18 years, 334 days).[1] Recorded 33 points on November 29, 2003 vs. Memphis Grizzlies
To score 40 points in a game (19 years, 88 days).[1] Recorded 41 points on March 27, 2004 vs. New Jersey Nets.
To score 2,000 points in a season (2004–05).[1]
To average at least 30 points per game in the NBA.
To be awarded All-NBA honors (2004–05).[1]
To be named to the All-NBA first team (21 years, 138 days).[1]
To win an All-Star Game MVP (21 years, 55 days).[1]
To lead the league in All-Star voting (22 years, 26 days).[1]
To lead the team in PPG (19 years of age).[1]
To score 2,000 points in seven consecutive seasons (26 years of age).[1]
To reach:[1]
Every thousand point milestone from 1,000 points through 17,000 points

[pauk]

John Havlicek

sidekick... he was like pippen... both of them not more accomplished / significant than Lebron...

[pauk]

This list has gone right down the tubes since around number 15. Anyways... Elgin Baylor.


this list is getting worse and worse started with kg and dirk.......elgin motha ****ing baylor


Elgin Baylor.

Lol at this list.



Are you sure about that?

ELGIN BAYLOR
1 x All-Star MVP
Rookie of the Year
11 x NBA All-Star
10 x All-NBA team (8x 1st team)

STATS:

23149 points @ 27.1 PPG @ 43% FG
11463 rebounds @ 13.5 RPG
3650 assists @ 4.3 APG

PER - 22.7 (#23 all-time)


LEBRON JAMES
2 x MVP
2 x All-Star MVP
Rookie of the Year
7 x NBA All-Star
1 x NBA scoring champion
7 x All-NBA team (5 x 1st team)
3 x All-Defensive 1st team
All-Rookie 1st team
1 x Gold Medal
17 x Player of the Month trophies (most in NBA history)
2 x Best NBA Player awards


STATS:

17362 points @ 27.7 PPG (#3 all time) @ 48% FG
4451 rebounds @ 7.1 RPG
4364 assists @ 7.0 APG
1079 steals @ 1.7 SPG
532 blocks @ 0.8 BPG
40 total triple doubles

PER - 26.9 (#2 all-time and #3 in Playoffs, after Michael Jordan)

[L8kersfan222]

Pippen

[WillC]

Yes, I'm 100% certain about Baylor over LeBron.

At the moment, LeBron only has 75% as many points and 39% as many rebounds as Baylor.

Meanwhile, Baylor has 3 more All-League 1st Team selections and Baylor played in 4 more All-Star Games.

In the future, LeBron will overtake Baylor (if he avoids injury), but for now you have to say Baylor had the better overall career.

[Dragonyeuw]

Are you sure about that?

ELGIN BAYLOR
1 x All-Star MVP
Rookie of the Year
11 x NBA All-Star
10 x All-NBA team (8x 1st team)

STATS:

23149 points @ 27.1 PPG @ 43% FG
11463 rebounds @ 13.5 RPG
3650 assists @ 4.3 APG

PER - 22.7 (#23 all-time)


LEBRON JAMES
2 x MVP
2 x All-Star MVP
Rookie of the Year
7 x NBA All-Star
1 x NBA scoring champion
7 x All-NBA team (5 x 1st team)
3 x All-Defensive 1st team
All-Rookie 1st team
1 x Gold Medal
17 x Player of the Month trophies (most in NBA history)
2 x Best NBA Player awards


STATS:

17362 points @ 27.7 PPG (#3 all time) @ 48% FG
4451 rebounds @ 7.1 RPG
4364 assists @ 7.0 APG
1079 steals @ 1.7 SPG
532 blocks @ 0.8 BPG
40 total triple doubles

PER - 26.9 (#2 all-time and #3 in Playoffs, after Michael Jordan)

Are you going to respond to every post that doesn't have Lebron as the answer?

[pauk]

I hate Lebron.... so i vote for anybody else who is less accomplished-significant... dont care... so this time im gona go with Pippen

:facepalm

Lebron haters should not be allowed to vote.....

SCOTTIE PIPPEN
6 x sidekick Championships
7 x NBA All-Star
1 x All-Star MVP
3 x All-NBA 1st team
8 x All-Defensive 1st team

STATS:

18940 points @ 16.1 PPG @ 47% FG
7494 rebounds @ 6.4 RPG
4364 assists @ 5.2 APG
2307 steals @ 2.0 SPG
947 blocks @ 0.8 BPG

PER - 18.6 (#101 all-time)

LEBRON JAMES
2 x MVP
2 x All-Star MVP
Rookie of the Year
7 x NBA All-Star
5 x All-NBA 1st team
3 x All-Defensive 1st team
All-Rookie 1st team
1 x Gold Medal
17 x Player of the Month trophies (most in NBA history)
2 x Best NBA Player awards
1 x NBA scoring champion

STATS:

17362 points @ 27.7 PPG (#3 all time) @ 48% FG
4451 rebounds @ 7.1 RPG
4364 assists @ 7.0 APG
1079 steals @ 1.7 SPG
532 blocks @ 0.8 BPG
40 total triple doubles

PER - 26.9 (#2 all-time and #3 in Playoffs, after Michael Jordan)

[pauk]

Are you going to respond to every post that doesn't have Lebron as the answer? We get it, you want Lebron voted in for the last 5-6 picks.

please stop trying to act like i have some biased agenda...

i just want the CORRECT person to end up on his rightful place.... so yes... anybody less accomplished than Lebron will end up with a response by me....

good job on trying to change subject by ignoring these facts/accomplishments... which prove your choice WRONG.... instead of ignoring and changing subjects like that, how bout simply answering my question? why on earth do you go with Elgin Baylor over Lebron James when Lebron is more accomplished?

why do i even ask... just say it... "Me hatez Lebron, so i vote for anybody else"

[Yung D-Will]

Lebron

[MichaelCheazley]

This is a hard list to make since most of us haven't seen all the greatest players.So we remember the ones we've seen or just look at stats blindly and/or choose whoever is more talked about and brought up by an older gan. I think just a top 10 or 15 list would be better. Atleast the top 10 is players are more argued about and recognized.People are more aware of their accomplishments etc. Now we have people thinking pippen>baylor and isiah which is kinda dumb. But to each his own.

[Dragonyeuw]

please stop trying to act like i have some biased agenda...

i just want the CORRECT person to end up on his rightful place.... so yes... anybody less accomplished than Lebron will end up with a response by me....

good job on trying to change subject by ignoring these facts/accomplishments... which prove your choice WRONG.... instead of ignoring and changing subjects like that, how bout simply answering my question? why on earth do you go with Elgin Baylor over Lebron James when Lebron is more accomplished?

Yes, you do have a pro-Lebron agenda, stop pretending like you don't.

In all honestly Lebron SHOULD be top 20, the reality is that the crop of power forwards between 15-18 has skewed the list, especially Dirk who, as much as I love as a player, is not top 20. I'd have him somewhere in the 22-25 slot myself. If I was ranking the list myself, the top 15 are more or less right, give or take a swap of positions here and there. I would have Barkley at 15, Malone at 16, Baylor 17, Admiral 18, Lebron 19. And, Lebron while he's already accomplished alot, has plenty of time to move up the list, which by the way is completely subjective and people are using different criteria for their voting rationale. You need to get over yourself, how the **** can a SUBJECTIVE list really be a right or wrong choice? None of this shit is ****ing gospel, chill the **** out. And no, I didn't change the subject. I asked a simple god damn question, for every post from now on which doesn't have Lebron as the answer, you're going to go on your own personal crusade to respond? Whatever works for you.

Anyways, Elgin Baylor.

[WillC]

Hmm, now, let's see. Should we vote for one of the greatest players of all-time who was hugely respected by everyone in his era and was named to the All-League 1st Team eight times... or a player half way through his career?

Tough one.

[FF1]

Elgin Baylor

[Rnbizzle]

Lebron....again
this.

[RRR3]

As much as I want to, I can't put LeBron over Elgin Baylor yet. I'll vote for LeBron for #21, though.

[Yung D-Will]

please stop trying to act like i have some biased agenda...

i just want the CORRECT person to end up on his rightful place.... so yes... anybody less accomplished than Lebron will end up with a response by me....

good job on trying to change subject by ignoring these facts/accomplishments... which prove your choice WRONG.... instead of ignoring and changing subjects like that, how bout simply answering my question? why on earth do you go with Elgin Baylor over Lebron James when Lebron is more accomplished?

why do i even ask... just say it... "Me hatez Lebron, so i vote for anybody else"

You don't have a Lebron Homer agenda? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


That's like saying the Lebron haters making threads about " How can you be considered the best player in the leauge if you perform badly in the finals" claiming they don't have an agenda.

You're quickly to call out everyone with an anti-Lebron agenda yet you wont admit your extremly biased pro-lebron agenda

gtfo

[Dragonyeuw]

The common theme I see in these picks is that every guy has a full career's worth of work to judge. Now, guys like Kobe, KG, Duncan, etc are still playing, but they've got 13-15 years under their belts, these guys legacies are more or less secured already, maybe another title will bump them up the list, but their place in history is more or less secure. Lebron is still writing his legacy, and yes because he accomplished alot very young and very quick, it's tough to accurately measure him because for all purposes, he could pull a Grant Hill tomorrow. I think at the bottom of the top 20 list is a reasonable spot for a guy that's played 8 seasons. In fact, it's a compliment that he's ranked this high over guys who've played full careers and accomplished lots in their own right. The main thing though, the guys in 16-20 are pretty much interchangeable( same with 1-5, 6-10, 11-15, it's not like there's a lot that separates them). Again, this is all subjective and everyone has their own voting criteria.

[pauk]

The common theme I see in these picks is that every guy has a full career's worth of work to judge. Now, guys like Kobe, KG, Duncan, etc are still playing, but they've got 13-15 years under their belts, these guys legacies are more or less secured already, maybe another title will bump them up the list, but their place in history is more or less secure. Lebron is still writing his legacy, and yes because he accomplished alot very young and very quick, it's tough to accurately measure him because for all purposes, he could pull a Grant Hill tomorrow. I think at the bottom of the top 20 list is a reasonable spot for a guy that's played 8 seasons. In fact, it's a compliment that he's ranked this high over guys who've played full careers and accomplished lots in their own right.
Sure... But for Grant Hill it was different, lebron has accomplished already Much more... i couldnt care less who is Young or not... As long as the player has the resume... Which lebron has..

[pauk]

You don't have a Lebron Homer agenda? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


That's like saying the Lebron haters making threads about " How can you be considered the best player in the leauge if you perform badly in the finals" claiming they don't have an agenda.

You're quickly to call out everyone with an anti-Lebron agenda yet you wont admit your extremly biased pro-lebron agenda

gtfo i love lebron.. I love to talk about him.. But i am not a homer.. Anything i have said about lebron has been based on pure facts.... Try me..

[Dragonyeuw]

Sure... But for Grant Hill it was different, lebron has accomplished already Much more... i couldnt care less who is Young or not... As long as the player has the resume... Which lebron has..

I'm not disputing who has done more, obviously Lebron's achievement list crushes what Hill did from 1994-2000. My main point is that Lebron at this stage is a bit of a difficult one to rank, especially since he's only halfway through his career. YES, he's accomplished tons already but it's fair, in my opinion, to let his career play out more before ranking him over guys who have a career's worth of work to measure. It's not just about the stats and achievements in a bubble, it's about sustained excellence over a 13 year career. Lebron has time on his side, at 26, so it's reasonable to assume he'll be much higher on the GOAT list 5 years from now. Again though, I should stress that this is SUBJECTIVE. Hell if you wanted to do a 'GOAT list for players first 8 seasons', Lebron's probably top 6. My voting is based on the totality of one's career over 13-14 years, and for the record Lebron is my next voting pick, AHEAD of guys like Isiah, Stockton, who have their own FULL standout careers.

[kNIOKAS]

Hmm, now, let's see. Should we vote for one of the greatest players of all-time who was hugely respected by everyone in his era and was named to the All-League 1st Team eight times... or a player half way through his career?

Tough one.
Remember Lebron is revolutionary.

[WillC]

Remember Lebron is revolutionary.

So was Baylor.

[colts19]

Mikan, a little respect to the history of the game.

[jacobgoindum]

Well. since no one is voting for Mikan and Pettit

My vote is Elgin Baylor

[bballnoob1192]

im guessing none outside of wilt and russell deserves to be in top 20 from that era is what ish is going by

[asdf1990]

lebron james .

[TDPrime2030]

die-hard Lebron fan, but Elgin Baylor is the answer.

[DaPerceive]

Lebron - 8
Wade - 1
Pippen - 5
Mikan - 2
Isiah - 2
Baylor - 7
Hondo - 1

[PurpGold34]

I'm going to vote for one of the all-time Lakers great, Elgin Baylor.

[jacobgoindum]

edit: nvm

[DaPerceive]

Baylor has 9 votes
I am pretty sure I counted them correctly; I didn't count PurpGold's though so he posted after. Anyways, that dragon poster just posted Elgin Baylor's name a lot, lol.

Baylor has 8 votes at the moment, I believe. Would you like to count the 9 posters then? I'll probably change mind if you want it to be 9 since I would rather piss off pauk and all the other Lebron fans than have this list be correct.

[Jan95]

Baylor

[DaPerceive]

Votes for Baylor - WillC, bballnoob1192, Dragonyeuw, FF1, RRR3, jacobgoindum, TDPrime2030, PurpGold34, Jan95


Now it is 9 but when I posted it was 7.

[christian1923]

Pippin

[GOATofGOATS]

Elgin Baylor! :cheers:

[hammer2010]

I vote for the all time great Elgin Baylorrrr!!

[jacobgoindum]

Votes for Baylor - WillC, bballnoob1192, Dragonyeuw, FF1, RRR3, jacobgoindum, TDPrime2030, PurpGold34, Jan95


Now it is 9 but when I posted it was 7.

yeah you were right I accidently counted that dragon guy twice
but now its 11 for baylor, 8 for lebron

[WillC]

At last. About time too.

Elgin it is.

[pegasus]

Elgin.

[pauk]

wow.... lebron sure is starting to be the most underrated player in the NBA history with all these lesser accomplished players being ranked above him.... :roll:

ELGIN BAYLOR
1 x All-Star MVP
Rookie of the Year
11 x NBA All-Star
10 x All-NBA team (8x 1st team)

STATS:

23149 points @ 27.1 PPG @ 43% FG
11463 rebounds @ 13.5 RPG
3650 assists @ 4.3 APG

PER - 22.7 (#23 all-time)


LEBRON JAMES
2 x MVP
2 x All-Star MVP
Rookie of the Year
7 x NBA All-Star
1 x NBA scoring champion
7 x All-NBA team (5 x 1st team)
3 x All-Defensive 1st team
All-Rookie 1st team
1 x Gold Medal
17 x Player of the Month trophies (most in NBA history)
2 x Best NBA Player awards


STATS:

17362 points @ 27.7 PPG (#3 all time) @ 48% FG
4451 rebounds @ 7.1 RPG
4364 assists @ 7.0 APG
1079 steals @ 1.7 SPG
532 blocks @ 0.8 BPG
40 total triple doubles

PER - 26.9 (#2 all-time and #3 in Playoffs, after Michael Jordan)

[jacobgoindum]

wow.... lebron sure is starting to be the most underrated player in the NBA history with all these lesser accomplished players being ranked above him.... :roll:

ELGIN BAYLOR
1 x All-Star MVP
Rookie of the Year
11 x NBA All-Star
10 x All-NBA team (8x 1st team)

STATS:

23149 points @ 27.1 PPG @ 43% FG
11463 rebounds @ 13.5 RPG
3650 assists @ 4.3 APG

PER - 22.7 (#23 all-time)


LEBRON JAMES
2 x MVP
2 x All-Star MVP
Rookie of the Year
7 x NBA All-Star
1 x NBA scoring champion
7 x All-NBA team (5 x 1st team)
3 x All-Defensive 1st team
All-Rookie 1st team
1 x Gold Medal
17 x Player of the Month trophies (most in NBA history)
2 x Best NBA Player awards


STATS:

17362 points @ 27.7 PPG (#3 all time) @ 48% FG
4451 rebounds @ 7.1 RPG
4364 assists @ 7.0 APG
1079 steals @ 1.7 SPG
532 blocks @ 0.8 BPG
40 total triple doubles

PER - 26.9 (#2 all-time and #3 in Playoffs, after Michael Jordan)


Lebron = choker, worst finals performer of alltime
u mad?

[pauk]

SLAM 2011 TOP 500 players of all time:

32. Willis Reed
33. Wes Unseld
34. Nate Thurmond
35. Dolph Schayes
36. Walt Frazier
37. Patrick Ewing
38. Jerry Lucas
39. Gary Payton
40. Allen Iverson
41. Billy Cunningham
42. Clyde Drexler
43. Dominique Wilkins
44. Dave Cowens
45. George Gervin
46. Bob McAdoo
47. Earl Monroe
48. Dennis Rodman
49. Dwyane Wade
50. Steve Nash
51. Walt Bellamy
52. Tiny Archibald
53. Dennis Johnson
54. Reggie Miller
55. Dirk Nowitzki <------------ :roll:


ON ISH:

#1: Michael Jordan
#2: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
#3: Bill Russell
#4: Magic Johnson
#5: Wilt Chamberlain
#6: Larry Bird
#7: Shaquille O'Neal
#8: Tim Duncan
#9: Hakeem Olajuwon
#10: Kobe Bryant
#11: Jerry West
#12: Oscar Robertson
#13: Moses Malone
#14: Julius Erving
#15: Charles Barkley
#16: Karl Malone
#17: Kevin Garnett
#18: Dirk Nowitzki <--------------- :roll:
#19: David Robinson

[jacobgoindum]

seriously, did you not watch the '11 Finals?

[pauk]

Lebron = choker, worst finals performer of alltime
u mad?

elgin baylor = scrub, no MVP's, no nothing, wasnt even a top 3 player in his best day, just a shotjacker in a weak era... u mad?

[jacobgoindum]

eglin baylor = scrub, no MVP's, no nothing, just a shotjacker... u mad?

MVPs? Nash has 2, I guess hes better than Shaq and Kobe combined right?

[pauk]

seriously, did you not watch the '11 Finals?

seriously, did you watch the '06 Finals?

yes.. im sure 4-6 games all of the sudden boosts him from #55 to #18.... :facepalm

and if u want ONLY Finals performance, then where is Wade? Wade had a better career than Dirk aswell...

[jacobgoindum]

seriously, did you watch the '06 Finals?

yes.. im sure 4-6 games all of the sudden boosts him from #55 to #18.... :facepalm

did you watch the '11 playoffs?

and in the Finals, Lebron was outscored by Jason Terry :roll:

[pauk]

did you watch the '11 playoffs

and in the Finals, Lebron was outscored by Jason Terry :roll:

im not sure what 4-6 games has to do with a CAREER RESUME............ :confusedshrug: At the end of the day Dirk has NOT accomplished more than Lebron or even WADE.... hence he does NOT deserve to be ranked higher than Lebron..... Dirk has been a much less significant player than them, he was NEVER a top 3 player.... and last year before he won a championship he was not even a TOP 10 player in the league....

if you are using that logic to bring Dirk above all-time (or any player)..... you must be the most stupid human being in ISH history... seriously...

[jacobgoindum]

seriously, did you watch the '06 Finals?

yes.. im sure 4-6 games all of the sudden boosts him from #55 to #18.... :facepalm

and if u want ONLY Finals performance, then where is Wade? Wade had a better career than Dirk aswell...

should be above Lebron for sure

[Jan95]

wow.... lebron sure is starting to be the most underrated player in the NBA history with all these lesser accomplished players being ranked above him.... :roll:

ELGIN BAYLOR
1 x All-Star MVP
Rookie of the Year
11 x NBA All-Star
10 x All-NBA team (8x 1st team)

STATS:

23149 points @ 27.1 PPG @ 43% FG
11463 rebounds @ 13.5 RPG
3650 assists @ 4.3 APG

PER - 22.7 (#23 all-time)


LEBRON JAMES
2 x MVP
2 x All-Star MVP
Rookie of the Year
7 x NBA All-Star
1 x NBA scoring champion
7 x All-NBA team (5 x 1st team)
3 x All-Defensive 1st team
All-Rookie 1st team
1 x Gold Medal
17 x Player of the Month trophies (most in NBA history)
2 x Best NBA Player awards


STATS:

17362 points @ 27.7 PPG (#3 all time) @ 48% FG
4451 rebounds @ 7.1 RPG
4364 assists @ 7.0 APG
1079 steals @ 1.7 SPG
532 blocks @ 0.8 BPG
40 total triple doubles

PER - 26.9 (#2 all-time and #3 in Playoffs, after Michael Jordan)
Elgin Baylor was averaging 28.64 PPG in his first 8 season, and we all know that Lebron stats will also fall.

[jacobgoindum]

im not sure what 4-6 games has to do with a CAREER RESUME............ :confusedshrug:

if you are using that logic to bring Dirk above all-time (or any player)..... you must be the most stupid human being in ISH history... seriously...

that is lebron's career, great but when it theres pressure, he hasnt stepped up as others have done

[jacobgoindum]

Lebron has played 8 seasons, he still has lots of time, so dont get too butthurt over theses rankings for now

[pauk]

Lebron has played 8 seasons, he still has lots of time, so dont get too butthurt over theses rankings for now

i dont care how many seasons he played.... i dont care how much time he has..... as long as he has the RESUME already... which he has!!
so please just stop with that lame excuse to why you dont want lebron (who you hate) to be ranked here....

We here rank the players with the best RESUME / ACCOMPLISHMENTS..... something which Lebron has more than Elgin Baylor at this point in the rankings..... he deserves this place...

i seriously cant believe what i am seeing here.... :facepalm you ALL (99% of you) are a bunch of Lebron haters..... i have proved it more than enough...

im glad DaPercieve made this thread.... it really reveals ISH posters agendas and mindsets, Lebron hater mindsets...... there is no other explanation to why you would rank somebody LESS accomplished above him.... none....

here you sit and act like im some kindof crazy homer.... but it is YOU people who are the ignorant haters... a circle jerk crew of lebron haters.....

[jacobgoindum]

i dont care how many seasons he played....

We here rank the players with the best RESUME / ACCOMPLISHMENTS..... something which Lebron has more than Elgin Baylor at this point in the rankings..... he deserves this place...

i seriously cant believe what i am seeing here.... :facepalm you ALL (99% of you) are a bunch of Lebron haters..... i have proved it more than enough...

im glad DaPercieve made this thread.... it really reveals ISH posters agendas and mindsets, Lebron hater mindsets...... there is no other explanation to why you would rank somebody LESS accomplished above him.... none....

here you sit and act like im some kindof crazy homer.... but it is YOU people who are the ignorant haters... a circle jerk crew of lebron haters.....

:roll:

[pauk]

:roll:

see... thats the only response you can do.... ofcourse you cant properly respond to a post which exposes you.....

[Doranku]

Baylor.

Kinda think it's funny that Baylor is probably going to win this, yet will be below LeBron on the all-time forwards list.

[jacobgoindum]

see... thats the only response you can do.... ofcourse you cant properly respond to a post which exposes you.....

It's simple, If Lebron wouldve won the championship, and won Finals MVP, he would easily be top 20, but not only did he not win, he was the reason why they didnt win

[KingBeasley08]

Lebron

[L8kersfan222]

changing my vote to Baylor

[Miller for 3]

Elgin Baylor

[winwin]

changing my vote to Baylor
same
Baylor

[Celtics 1825]

Elgin Baylor, I think LeBron is still too young to earn a spot in the top 20.

[PistolPete44]

Elgin Baylor

[Deuce Bigalow]

18 - Elgin Baylor
10 - Lebron James
5 - Scottie Pippen
2 - George Mikan
2 - Isiah Thomas
1 - Dwyane Wade
1 - John Havlicek

Total - 39 votes

[DevilsAssassin]

die-hard Lebron fan, but Elgin Baylor is the answer.

Lmfao @ RG switching his account to get another vote ..... What a pathetic human being you are:facepalm

Btw I vote for Lebron James

RG exposed thread!!!
http://207.58.151.151/forum/showthread.php?t=205304

[TDPrime2030]

Lmfao @ RG switching his account to get another vote ..... What a pathetic human being you are:facepalm

Btw I vote for Lebron James
yeah I am about as pathetic of a human being as the guy who tries to post a bunch of funny .gifs on the OTC to get reps. Right?

[DevilsAssassin]

yeah I am about as pathetic of a human being as the guy who tries to post a bunch of funny .gifs on the OTC to get reps. Right?

No, I do it because I'm bored you *******t

Lmfao @ RG and his 30+ accounts:roll:

[TDPrime2030]

No, I do it because I'm bored you *******t

Lmfao @ RG and his 30+ accounts:roll:
sure


brb trying to post funny .gifs for reps
brb PMing other people for reps (Remember that PM you sent me :oldlol: ?)
brb posting something relevant since rep is back
brb going to stop trolling since rep is back.


Go post a .gif for this thread, thanks.

[DevilsAssassin]

No I'm pretty sure you used your NoEasy9 account to pm me for Reps

[TDPrime2030]

No I'm pretty sure you used your NoEasy9 account to pm me for Reps
sure. how about i get the pm? :oldlol:



try to post a funny .gif to get some rep here, pha99ot.

[TDPrime2030]

by the way who is that w!gger in your avy? Is that you? OR brian Scalabrine?

[Dave3]

Lmfao @ RG switching his account to get another vote ..... What a pathetic human being you are:facepalm

Btw I vote for Lebron James

RG exposed thread!!!
http://207.58.151.151/forum/showthread.php?t=205304
He's used at least 4 of his accounts one after the other to vote for Baylor. And he words all of them the same way :oldlol:

And I think he just criticized someone ELSE for wanting rep??? Hilarious lol.

[Legends66NBA7]

He's used at least 4 of his accounts one after the other to vote for Baylor. And he words all of them the same way :oldlol:

And I think he just criticized someone ELSE for wanting rep??? Hilarious lol.

How many accounts does he have running now ? Is DaPerceive one of his accounts too ?

[Dave3]

How many accounts does he have running now ? Is DaPerceive one of his accounts too ?
Yeah. Since about 2007 or 2008 he's probably close to 50 right now.

The saddest thing, is you probably just saw the number 50 and thought I was exaggerating to make fun of him.

I'm not. That's a literal number.

[Legends66NBA7]

Yeah. Since about 2007 or 2008 he's probably close to 50 right now.

The saddest thing, is you probably just saw the number 50 and thought I was exaggerating to make fun of him.

I'm not. That's a literal number.

Interesting, but is DaPerceive another one of his accounts or not? Because I noticed he changed his avatar to Wade and I know his swagger account he was going nuts about thread of Wade vs LeBron.

And no I know you weren't exaggerating. I wasn't around here before to see his "RG" account. But now that I found out, it's a bit weird why he keeps doing this. I just wish he stuck to one account. I literally think this whole board his RG sometimes.

I don't have anything against the man though and I don't think he has a problem with me. I think he does with you though and others who like LeBron and Howard, etc...

[Dave3]

Interesting, but is DaPerceive another one of his accounts or not? Because I noticed he changed his avatar to Wade and I know his swagger account he was going nuts about thread of Wade vs LeBron.

And no I know you weren't exaggerating. I wasn't around here before to see his "RG" account. But now that I found out, it's a bit weird why he keeps doing this. I just wish he stuck to one account. I literally think this whole board his RG sometimes.

I don't have anything against the man though and I don't think he has a problem with me. I think he does with you though and others who like LeBron and Howard, etc...
Yeah, Dapercieve is one of them. The genius used the same name at realgm to start the exact same threads he started here (like that Reggie Miller one) and when he got banned from there, made the same account here. He's hated over at realgm too. To his credit, he's the most successful internet troll I've ever seen :oldlol:

[DevilsAssassin]

is the OP RG as well?

[DevilsAssassin]

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/992/kuf99.jpg

LMFAO AT THIS

[Legends66NBA7]

Yeah, Dapercieve is one of them. The genius used the same name at realgm to start the exact same threads he started here (like that Reggie Miller one) and when he got banned from there, made the same account here. He's hated over at realgm too. To his credit, he's the most successful internet troll I've ever seen :oldlol:

That's a shame, because he seems like he can be a very good poster when he isn't trolling.

I can't believe I

[KingBeasley08]

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/992/kuf99.jpg

LMFAO AT THIS
RG exposed :roll:

[Deuce Bigalow]

is the OP RG as well?

whats that?

[DevilsAssassin]

whats that?

i was just wondering if you were also one of RocketGreatness many accounts...

[Deuce Bigalow]

i was just wondering if you were also one of RocketGreatness many accounts...

No