Kobe Bryant or Dirk Nowitzki who's the bigger finals choker

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

both can have decent runs to the finals (minus useless defense) and then they get exposed in the finals.

Who's the bigger finals choker?? who needs to get carried more by his teammates?

brick city for both of them

[32Dayz]

Kobe.

2000, 2004 and 2008 immediately come to mind.

Even 2001 was pretty unspectacular.
His play in the first game prevented what should have been a sweep that year and personally I found his performance over the entirety of the series to be less then impressive atleast by GOAT standards.

[Legends66NBA7]

*puts popcorn in the microwave*

[DevilsAssassin]

http://img53.xooimage.com/files/f/3/a/gif-popcorn-thriller-2664d86.gif

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe has NEVER choked in the Finals

choking is when you come up small in the clutch, tell me when he has in the Finals?

bad performances, yes in 2004, but choking? no

[Legends66NBA7]

Kobe has NEVER choked in the Finals

choking is when you come up small in the clutch, tell me when he has in the Finals?

bad performances, yes in 2004, but choking? no

What do you recall the best in those first 4 finals for Kobe ?

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

Kobe has NEVER choked in the Finals

choking is when you come up small in the clutch, tell me when he has in the Finals?

bad performances, yes in 2004, but choking? no

lol @ history revisionism.


Kobe constantly underperforms in finals........


and where the hell are all his memorable finals highlights??? can't remember any...

and the dude has been to 7 finals...

[Deuce Bigalow]

What do you recall the best in those first 4 finals for Kobe ?

04 he was just bad, shot like shit
00 he was injured, had a good game or two, but shot bad
01 he was ok
02 he was great

[Deuce Bigalow]

lol @ history revisionism.


Kobe constantly underperforms in finals......you can see he's ****ing nervous....


and where the hell are all his memorable finals highlights??? can't remember any...

and the dude has been to 7 finals....

when has he underperformed in the clutch in the Finals?

[DevilsAssassin]

Kobe has NEVER choked in the Finals

choking is when you come up small in the clutch, tell me when he has in the Finals?

bad performances, yes in 2004, but choking? no

dude you are not fooling anyone with that MJ avatar.......we all know you're a big KOBE HOMER

[Deuce Bigalow]

dude you are not fooling anyone with that MJ avatar.......we all know you're a big KOBE HOMER

I'm a fan of both, 2 of my favorite players of alltime

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

when has he underperformed in the clutch in the Finals?


when has the lived up to his hype and not choked in the finals under pressure?


and getting his ass carried by his teammates for 4 quarters just to make a few soft free throws....lol...


Where are Kobe's memorable finals highlights? Where are his super clutch highlights??? Where are his epic finals performances??? HE'S BEEN TO SEVEN FINALS!!!


he has not lived up to his supposed standards in the finals...hence....brick city choker

[32Dayz]

when has he underperformed in the clutch in the Finals?

2000, 2001, 2004, 2008.

2000 he was barely a factor outside of 1 game in the Finalz (G3).

2001 he cost them the sweep by playing terribly in the 1st game of the series.
He was bad to decent in 2 of the other 4 games.
Not a "Terrible Series" but unimpressive by GOAT standards.

2004 - Worst Finals Performance of All-Time for a GOAT Player.
Just my opinion but I mean.. 22/2/4 on 38% Shooting?

2008 - Terrible in 4/6 Games, Terrible Series.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Bryant. He plays like a bitch on the biggest stage.

[Deuce Bigalow]

2000, 2001, 2004, 2008.

2000 he was barely a factor outside of 1 game in the Finalz (G3).

2001 he cost them the sweep by playing terribly in the 1st game of the series.
He was bad to decent in 2 of the other 4 games.
Not a "Terrible Series" but unimpressive by even the lowest GOAT standards.

2004 - Worst Finals Performance of All-Time for a GOAT Player.
Just my opinion but I mean.. 22/2/4 on 38% Shooting?

2008 - Terrible in 4/6 Games, Terrible Series.

he didnt play that good, but he was clutch when it was a close game
and lol @ your 2001 and 2008 analysis, complete bullshit, and fail to mention he was injured in '00

[Deuce Bigalow]

when has the lived up to his hype and not choked in the finals under pressure?


and getting his ass carried by his teammates for 4 quarters just to make a few soft free throws....lol...


Where are Kobe's memorable finals highlights? HE'S BEEN TO SEVEN FINALS!!!


he has not lived up to his standards in the finals...hence....brick city choker

tell me when he choked when the game was close in the finals, show me

[DaPerceive]

At least we know they are both better than Lebron in that stage. Neither Kobe or Dirk are "chokers" in the finals anyways. That being said Kobe's 2004 Finals was much worse than any of Dirk's finals, but Kobe's 2009 Finals was much better than any of Dirk's finals too.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Bryant. He plays like a bitch on the biggest stage.

and his teammates carried his ass to 5 rings....

[Jacks3]

lol. Cuntiva.

2001 Finals: 25/8/5/2/2 including 27/9/6/54% TS in the last 4 games.
Against the #1 defense in the league.

2002 Finals:27/6/5/2/1/61% TS.
#2 defense in the league.

2008 Finals:26/6/5/3/1/52% TS.
#1 defense in the league. Top 5 defense ever.

2009 Finals:32/7/6/2/54% TS/29 PER.
#1 defense in the league.

2010 Finals:29/8/4/2/1/26 PER
#1 defense in the league.

Huge numbers and doing it against #1 defenses year after year. :bowdown:

Can't forget what he's done for entire post-seasons as well:

2001: 29 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/56% TS. NBA Championship. Lakers go 15-1.
2002: 27 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/52% TS. NBA Championship.
2008: 30 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/58% TS. NBA Finals
2009: 30 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship
2010: 29 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[32Dayz]

and his teammates carried his ass to 5 rings....

Nah.. but Shaq did in 00 and his entire Supporting Cast really came through for him in 2010.

His poor play also may have been part of the reason why his 04 and 08 teams didn't win Rings or contend more strongly.

[Legends66NBA7]

and lol @ your 2001 and 2008 analysis, complete bullshit, and fail to mention he was injured in '00

In 2000 after a great comeback win in Game 4 by him, why did Kobe go 4/20 for 8 points in Game 5 and 8/27 for 26 points 10 rebounds ? He missed 35 shots in the final 2 games even when he was "injured". Why is that ?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Nah.. but Shaq did in 00 and his entire Supporting Cast really came through for him in 2010.

His poor play may have been part of the reason why his 04 and 08 teams didn't win Rings or contend more strongly.

2008? did you really blame Kobe for 08

:facepalm you just keep getting dumber dude

[DaPerceive]

So Kobe is now getting blame for the 08 Finals? :oldlol: This is funny.

[Legends66NBA7]

At least we know they are both better than Lebron in that stage. Neither Kobe or Dirk are "chokers" in the finals anyways. That being said Kobe's 2004 Finals was much worse than any of Dirk's finals, but Kobe's 2009 Finals was much better than any of Dirk's finals too.

+1. Clearly.

[Deuce Bigalow]

In 2000 after a great comeback win in Game 4 by him, why did Kobe go 4/20 for 8 points in Game 5 and 8/27 for 26 points 10 rebounds ? He missed 35 shots in the final 2 games even when he was "injured". Why is that ?

are you saying he wasnt injured?
and I never said he had a good series in '00

[Jacks3]

lol. Cuntiva.

2001 Finals: 25/8/5/2/2 including 27/9/6/54% TS in the last 4 games.
Against the #1 defense in the league.

2002 Finals:27/6/5/2/1/61% TS.
#2 defense in the league.

2008 Finals:26/6/5/3/1/52% TS.
#1 defense in the league. Top 5 defense ever.

2009 Finals:32/7/6/2/54% TS/29 PER.
#1 defense in the league.

2010 Finals:29/8/4/2/1/26 PER
#1 defense in the league.

Huge numbers and doing it against #1 defenses year after year. :bowdown:

Can't forget what he's done for entire post-seasons as well:

2001: 29 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/56% TS. NBA Championship. Lakers go 15-1.
2002: 27 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/52% TS. NBA Championship.
2008: 30 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/58% TS. NBA Finals
2009: 30 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship
2010: 29 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
Let's look at this "choker" through his prime.

The best perimeter player of his era.

Here are his numbers over nearly a decade:

28.5 PPG/5.8 RPG/5.4 APG/1.8 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS

Here are his seasons over this stretch:
29/6/5/2/55% TS
25/6/6/2/55% TS
30/7/6/2/1/55% TS
24/5/5/2/56% TS
28/6/6/1/56% TS
35/5/5/2/56% TS
32/6/5/2/58% TS
28/6/5/2/58% TS
27/5/5/2/56% TS
27/5/5/2/55% TS

Accolades/Accomplishments during this time:
4-Time NBA Champion
6-Time NBA Finalist
16X Player of the Month
8X All-NBA 1st Team
1X All-NBA 2nd Team
7X All-NBA 1st Team Defense
2X All-NBA 2nd Team Defense
9X All-Star
4X All-Star MVP
1X NBA-MVP
2X NBA-Finals MVP

Over this stretch he had:
24X 50+ point games
5X 60+ point games
105 40+ point games

Some of his sickest stretches:
9 straight 40+ point games (2003)
13 straight 35+ point games (2003)
4 straight 45+ point games (2006)
4 straight 50+ point games (2007)
Averaged 40+ PPG in four different months
Averaged 37/6/5/59% TS post All-Star Break (2007)
81 pts
62 pts in three quarters
8 different games where he recorded 50+ points through three quarters of play

Some of his best playoff runs:
2001: 29 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/56% TS. NBA Championship. Lakers go 15-1.
2002: 27 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/52% TS. NBA Championship.
2008: 30 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/58% TS. NBA Finals
2009: 30 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship
2010: 29 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship

They mad. :oldlol:

[32Dayz]

2008? did you really blame Kobe for 08

:facepalm you just keep getting dumber dude

Cmon dude.

Kobe was far from the only reason LA lost in 08 but he did play poorly in that series especially in 4/6 games so yeah his play was part of the reason they lost.

We both Know Kobe has had series where he's played really well but 2008 wasn't one of them.

[Legends66NBA7]

So Kobe is now getting blame for the 08 Finals? :oldlol: This is funny.

I would question his shot selection the most for the 08 Finals. They were pretty much outmatched after that but a loss is a loss. That team gave up in Game 6.

[Jacks3]

2001 Finals: 25/8/5/2/2 including 27/9/6/54% TS in the last 4 games.
Against the #1 defense in the league.

2002 Finals:27/6/5/2/1/61% TS.
#2 defense in the league.

2008 Finals:26/6/5/3/1/52% TS.
#1 defense in the league. Top 5 defense ever.

2009 Finals:32/7/6/2/54% TS/29 PER.
#1 defense in the league.

2010 Finals:29/8/4/2/1/26 PER
#1 defense in the league.

Huge numbers and doing it against #1 defenses year after year.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

and his teammates carried his ass to 5 rings....

Great playoff performer, mediocre Finals performer. Despite all of that, I still thought he was the leader/best viable option on that team.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Cmon dude.

Kobe was far from the only reason LA lost in 08 but he did play poorly in that series especially in 4/6 games so yeah his play was part of the reason they lost.

We both Know Kobe has had series where he's played really well but 2008 wasn't one of them.

I bet you just look at FG% to determine if he had a "bad" game huh :oldlol:

[32Dayz]

I would question his shot selection the most for the 08 Finals. They were pretty much outmatched after that but a loss is a loss. That team gave up in Game 6 and Kobe didn't show in that game either.

Kobe's FG% in 2008 Finalz.

G1 : .346 | Bad Game
G2 : .478 | Good Game
G3 : .600 | Good Game
G4 : .316 | Bad Game
G5 : .381 | Bad Game
G6 : .318 | Bad Game

Bad Series.

[Jacks3]

2001 Finals: 25/8/5/2/2 including 27/9/6/54% TS in the last 4 games.
Against the #1 defense in the league.

2002 Finals:27/6/5/2/1/61% TS.
#2 defense in the league.

2008 Finals:26/6/5/3/1/52% TS.
#1 defense in the league. Top 5 defense ever.

2009 Finals:32/7/6/2/54% TS/29 PER.
#1 defense in the league.

2010 Finals:29/8/4/2/1/26 PER
#1 defense in the league.

Huge numbers and doing it against #1 defenses year after year.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
lol @ that moron Cuntiva. :oldlol:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

lol @ that moron Cuntiva. :oldlol:

:sleeping

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe's FG% in 2008 Finalz.

G1 : .346 | Bad Game
G2 : .478 | Good Game
G3 : .600 | Good Game
G4 : .316 | Bad Game
G5 : .381 | Bad Game
G6 : .318 | Bad Game

Bad Series.

points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, clutch plays like in game 3 and 5

:oldlol: I knew it, you just look at FG%

[Legends66NBA7]

Kobe's FG% in 2008 Finalz.

G1 : .346 | Bad Game
G2 : .478 | Good Game
G3 : .600 | Good Game
G4 : .316 | Bad Game
G5 : .381 | Bad Game
G6 : .318 | Bad Game

Bad Series.

Pretty much. I didn't expect that team coming back after Game 4 blowing the lead they did.

[32Dayz]

@ Bigelow

Stats (2008 Finalz) over Games (1,4,5,6) (4 Bad Games)
22 / 4.25 / 5.25 | 34%FG

It was a bad series.

[KingLeBronJames]

Kobe's bad shot selection was his weakness during his younger years. Now that he improved his shot selection a little bit, he's still hasn't done well cause of his age. Still, Kobe is a great player. But who expects Kobe to dominate in the Finals at his old age scoring wise? Look at Michael Jordan. He sucked during the 2nd 3peat. Jordan was a choker in the Finals too during the 2nd 3peat Championship years. Dwyane Wade won't even be dominate when he hits 30. And that's the truth. But Jordan and Kobe did other things to help the team win. It's just not about scoring points, idiots.

[TMacsOneGoodEye]

When you have a ring, or rings (plural) in Kobe's case, it's pretty much impossible to be called a choker. Especially when you have had the post-season heroics that Kobe and Dirk have had.

[32Dayz]

Jordan was already 29 by the end of his first 3Peat and 32 by the start of the second one.

30 is not really considered old and these days with our advanced science well conditioned guards probably shouldn't even start declining your 32 or 33.

[32Dayz]

When you have a ring, or rings (plural) in Kobe's case, it's pretty much impossible to be called a choker. Especially when you have had the post-season heroics that Kobe and Dirk have had.

Are you implying that a player cant be heroic at times and also choke at times? :facepalm

Lebron was pretty clutch in the 2011 ECF VS the Bullz then he chocked against the Mavs.

See what I mean?

One can be "Heroic" at times in a long Career and also Chock or play poorly in multiple Finals Appearances.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe and Dirk are not chokers

[32Dayz]

Kobe and Dirk are not chokers

They have both Chocked before so thats not really true.

Cmon.. Kobe in 2004 and Dirk in 2007 definitely Chocked hard.

I'd argue Kobe also Chocked in 00 and 08 but that's just my opinion.

[Deuce Bigalow]

They have both Chocked before so thats not really true.

Cmon.. Kobe in 2004 and Dirk in 2007 definitely Chocked hard.

I'd argue Kobe also Chocked in 00 and 08 but that's just my opinion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdZo77adjUE

didnt choke

and they are not chokers you moron :facepalm

[32Dayz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdZo77adjUE

didnt choke

and they are not chokers you moron :facepalm

So because he had one good game that cancels out the 4 other crapfests?

He was dominating the ball and the offense and not producing which directly f**k** his team over.

Want me to post his stats over those 4 games?

Kobe in 4/5 Games 2004 Finalz
20 / 3 / 3.75 on 33%

[Deuce Bigalow]

So because he had one good game that cancels out the 4 other crapfests?

He was dominating the ball and the offense and not producing which directly f**k** his team over.

Want me to post his stats over those 4 games?

choking = not performing well in the clutch

and kobe did perform well in the clutch

[32Dayz]

Kobe in 4/5 Games 2004 Finalz
20 / 3 / 3.75 on 33%

You call that performing well?

Not that he did in 2004 but performing well in the Clutch is Practically meaningless if your playing like absolute s*** over 80% of the series and lose in 5 games.

[Deuce Bigalow]

your ****ing annoying, I never said he was good in that series, he just didnt choke

[32Dayz]

your ****ing annoying, I never said he was good in that series, he just didnt choke

I consider playing poorly to be Chocking.

Sure you can also be called a Chocker if your team needs you to score in the 4th Quarter and you cant but I think playing poorly over the course of an entire game in an important playoff series especially if the poor play is not just for one game but over the majority of the series has to be considered Chocking.

You were expected to play well for your team to win or contend and you didnt so they lost = Chocking.

[Deuce Bigalow]

I consider playing poorly to be Chocking.

Sure you can also be called a Chocker if your team needs you to score in the 4th Quarter and you cant but I think playing poorly over the course of an entire game in an important playoff series especially if the poor play is not just for one game but over the majority of the series then it has to be considered Chocking.

You were expected to play well for your team to win or contend and you didnt so they lost = Chocking.

chocking?
:roll:

moron cant even spell :oldlol:

[32Dayz]

chocking?
:roll:

moron cant even spell :oldlol:

Excellent Rebuttal.

This is the first time I've ever felt the need to use this Meme.

http://gifsforum.com/images/image/why%20you%20mad%20tho/grand/lol_why_u_mad_tho.jpg

Damn I dont know how to spell Choked.

[Deuce Bigalow]

chocking

:roll:

[32Dayz]

chocking

:roll:

Haha I can admit I thought thats how you spelled it.

Actually I kind of knew it was wrong but for some reason I couldnt figure out the right way to type it.

I guess I have rarely if ever used that word before when typing or writing so... forgive me. :lol

CHOKED!

[Deuce Bigalow]

were you chocking on shaq's **** today? :oldlol:

[32Dayz]

were you chocking on shaq's **** today? :oldlol:

:lol How funny.

[Deuce Bigalow]

I'm a chocker

:oldlol:

[32Dayz]

:oldlol:

Better then your first joke. :applause:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Better then your first joke. :applause:

just dont chocke ok

[Deuce Bigalow]

You are an unusual person, a Shaq stan that hates Kobe, what are the odds

[32Dayz]

I dont hate Kobe.

I just hate the way he is often overrated and put on a pedestal above where he belongs.

I respect him for his game, work ethic, production and impact he has had in a long GOAT career but I dont overrate him or give him credit where its not due.

[bstickq1]

From a post I made last month -

Kobe Bryant vs teams played in the finals -

Reg Season / Finals
PTS 25.0 25.97
FG 42.7% 41.2%
REB 5.25 5.83
AST 4.5 5.08
STL 0.67 1.81
BLK 0.5 0.89
TO 2.75 3.42

So basically he played pretty similarly against the same teams in the finals as he did against them in the corresponding regular seasons. Of course, the sample size is pretty small considering there are two games against each team during the regular season, but across the 7 seasons it gets a little more accurate. (also, the finals game against indiana that he played under 10 minutes was omitted)

[PTB Fan]

Neither are chockers.

[32Dayz]

Neither are chockers.

If that's true then Lebron isn't either since he has only Choked in 1 Finalz appearance and Dirk and Kobe have Choked in Multiple Finalz Series (Well, Kobe has not Dirk I guess).

[PTB Fan]

If that's true then Lebron isn't either since he has only Choked in 1 Finalz appearance and Dirk and Kobe have Choked in Multiple Finalz Series.

Kobe had few bad Finals. 04 and 00 were his only bad Finals series. The others were certainly good and some even better than that. Dirk played really well in 06 but Wade got all the calls in that series, and some were very questionable.

LeBron definitely choked in '11, considering how good he played in the previous rounds. In 07, i'll give him a pass because he played with a really weak roster.

[32Dayz]

Kobe had few bad Finals.

So why is he not labeled a Choker then?

If Kobe can have a few bad Finals and not be a Choker then its certainly premature to label Lebron one when he has only had one bad Finalz with a decent Cast.

[DetroitPistonFan]

So why is he not labeled a Choker then?

If Kobe can have a few bad Finals and not be a Choker then its certainly premature to label Lebron one when he has only had one bad Finalz with a decent Cast.
LeBron had 1 bad NBA Finals? You sure about that?

[FF1]

Kobe has NEVER choked in the Finals

choking is when you come up small in the clutch, tell me when he has in the Finals?

bad performances, yes in 2004, but choking? no

So Dirk didn't choke in 06, right? because, even though he shot poorly in the 4 losses, he hit a huge shot down the stretch in two of the games to put the Mavs up with only a few seconds left.

Short answer: Neither are chokers.

[32Dayz]

LeBron had 1 bad NBA Finals? You sure about that?

I consider 11 to be the first time he made the Finals with a Contender Worthy Cast.

The teams he had in Cleveland simply weren't good enough to beat Boston or the Spurs so no matter how well he played they were gonna lose.
Even weak ass Orlando knocked them off since Cleveland didn't have a Gasol to keep Dwight under control and he destroyed Clevelands interior D.

He has failed once with a Cast good enough to win or at the very least seriously contend.

[andgar923]

Choker is def a strong word (one can certainly apply it in various games and 4th quarters tho), but Kobe gets mentioned because he's always hyped as a GOAT candidate, and some (his fans) call him the greatest. But his numbers don't really show this at all. Even when his stats are decent (low standards for him I see) his 4th quarter stats take a huge dip.

Not sure if anybody has a breakdown of his 4th quarter stats, but they're usually abysmal. His saving grace is getting calls (funny how Kobe fans cry about Wade).

[knightfall88]

Keep it up Lebron fans, you convincing no one. The truth of the matter is, everybody in the world in sports media is making fun of Lebron and you can't do anything about it.

[bstickq1]

If that's true then Lebron isn't either since he has only Choked in 1 Finalz appearance and Dirk and Kobe have Choked in Multiple Finalz Series (Well, Kobe has not Dirk I guess).
To be honest I don't remember how Lebron's supposed choking played out, but he shot 30.6% for 21 ppg against Dallas in the two regular season games against them.

It sounds like Dallas just had his number, or posed some difficult schemes and match ups for him.

[32Dayz]

Keep it up Lebron fans, you convincing no one. The truth of the matter is, everybody in the world in sports media is making fun of Lebron and you can't do anything about it.
:facepalm

[Bandito]

If that's true then Lebron isn't either since he has only Choked in 1 Finalz appearance and Dirk and Kobe have Choked in Multiple Finalz Series (Well, Kobe has not Dirk I guess).
Lebron has chocked in every Finals appearance which is two btw. I know you have a memory of a potato but 07 did happen man...

[Vienceslav]

The fact of the matter is that they have ring(s) and FMVP(s) that completely erases your previous reputation , just look at how people looked at Dirk before and after these 2011 playoffs , complete 180 degrees turnaround.
I presume this is thread is really about Lebron , don

[DatDudeD]

[QUOTE=Vienceslav]The fact of the matter is that they have ring(s) and FMVP(s) that completely erases your previous reputation , just look at how people looked at Dirk before and after these 2011 playoffs , complete 180 degrees turnaround.
I presume this is thread is really about Lebron , don

[talkingconch]

and his teammates carried his ass to 5 rings....

of course some dingleberries don't mention that you don't just start the season and make the finals

you play a regular season, 3 rounds of playoffs and then you get yourself in the finals

sure he may not have performed as majestic as he should have in some finals, that doesn't mean he got ''carried'' to 5 rings by teammates, omfg :facepalm

the guy dominated in playoff series + regular season to propel his team to a good position (seeding, advancing to the next round)

[DatDudeD]

of course some dingleberries don't mention that you don't just start the season and make the finals

you play a regular season, 3 rounds of playoffs and then you get yourself in the finals

sure he may not have performed as majestic as he should have in some finals, that doesn't mean he got ''carried'' to 5 rings by teammates, omfg :facepalm

the guy dominated in playoff series + regular season to propel his team to a good position (seeding, advancing to the next round)

+1 people still salty about there "favorite" players not doing so well. i recall during the first 3 peat the WCF basically "WAS" the Finals and kobe consistently DESTROYED the blazers,spurs and kings. Also dirk had some classic series against some great teams. All i ask is the these NOOBS stop reaching with this agenda based thread.

[Legends66NBA7]

are you saying he wasnt injured?
and I never said he had a good series in '00

No, I am not trying to say he wasn't injured and I know you didn't say it was a good series either.

Now with all that in mind, why did he take so many shots in game 4 (20) and game 5 (27) shots when he was injured? Would you say he didn't choke in those games? They were game clinchers too.

[bwink23]

lol. Cuntiva.

2001 Finals: 25/8/5/2/2 including 27/9/6/54% TS in the last 4 games.
Against the #1 defense in the league.

2002 Finals:27/6/5/2/1/61% TS.
#2 defense in the league.

2008 Finals:26/6/5/3/1/52% TS.
#1 defense in the league. Top 5 defense ever.

2009 Finals:32/7/6/2/54% TS/29 PER.
#1 defense in the league.

2010 Finals:29/8/4/2/1/26 PER
#1 defense in the league.

Huge numbers and doing it against #1 defenses year after year. :bowdown:

Can't forget what he's done for entire post-seasons as well:

2001: 29 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/56% TS. NBA Championship. Lakers go 15-1.
2002: 27 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/52% TS. NBA Championship.
2008: 30 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/58% TS. NBA Finals
2009: 30 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship
2010: 29 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:


The infamous TS% again....Kobetards and TS%, LOL. When you gonna learn to separate the two. FG's and FT's always get there own metric, combining the 2 doesn't do crap. eFG% and FT% are a MUCH better gauge, SEPARATELY.

[Jan95]

I`ll go with Lebron