Moving to Canada?

[fiddy]

Im a final year undergraduate in my country. And as im looking forward to the near future there seems to be no place for me here. If you stay here either you go crazy or dumb. The social envioroment is terrible, im looking to develop and gain new skills, something that wont happen here.

I was thinking about Canada. Its seems like a good place to live in. The economy is good. What are the pros and cons for living in Canada?

[Velocirap31]

Pros: Less fat people, better looking girls from my experiences with the states, very little crime, free healthcare, stronger beer (but costs twice as much).

Cons: Higher taxes, fast food is limited, cold winters (minnesota-like in most areas), higher gas prices, crappy television.

[Skywalker]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gLLk8JEEpM

:rolleyes:

[QuebecBaller]

Pros: Less fat people, better looking girls from my experiences with the states, very little crime, free healthcare, stronger beer (but costs twice as much).

Cons: Higher taxes, fast food is limited, cold winters (minnesota-like in most areas), higher gas prices, crappy television.

:lol :lol :lol

Stronger beer and better tasting too :cheers:

[goldenboy_smith]

fak canada and their free healthcare

[Velocirap31]

:lol :lol :lol

Stronger beer and better tasting too :cheers:

Definitely better tasting :cheers:

[RidonKs]

edit: why did i just assume in your post that you're coming from America, even though your location says Bulgaria? lol

Canada's great dude. have you looked into any of your options for exchange or working visas or anything?



cons

everything is more expensive even with the currency exchange
winter is coming (depends who you are though, i like winter)


pros

spectacular and diverse in nature
great cities
better job market (find Alberta... or support the developing regions by moving there... *cough* east coast *cough*
like america, you can find what you want (port cities, major hubs, small towns, mountains, prairies, summer/spring all year round, etc)
learn french if you want
we're friendly goddamnit

[Kungfro]

You should come to Saskatchewan, it's totally not flat and boring.

[lilbill]

Pro: You can have a good laugh making fun of their accents.

Con: It's Canada.

[Skywalker]

Pro: You can have a good laugh making fun of their accents.

Con: It's Canada.

just as funny as dead baby jokes

FAIL

[RidonKs]

Canada is literally everything good about America without having to put up with any of the shit

we get your entertainment, your food, your brands, your security backing, and our leaders get to piggyback on yours politically

meanwhile, we don't put up with anything close to your sham politics, we aren't hated worldwide, our historical records are cleaner, we've still got the whole sea to shining sea bit, our corporate and financial sectors are a million times safer, better government entitlements with a deficit that the rest of the world envies

and most of all, we aren't bombarded with retardedly over the top advertisements and marketing campaigns that should be enough to drive every American insane... that shit still goes on, but it's much more subtle

actually, if i were to describe the difference between America and Canada, i'd use the word 'subtle'. Canada is subtle America. and considering the state of affairs down south at the moment, that should be a welcome variation.

[macmac]

I love the states, NYC, south beach, Vegas....but I cant see myself living there permanently....Canada is just so laid back and safe...as Ridonks said, we're right next to the Lightning rod that is the USA, gives us much of the same perks but in nice portions none of that super sized over the top GOV dubious agenda stuff... can't think of a better country to live in unless you have real coin and move to the south of France or something

[BRabbiT]

...
actually, if i were to describe the difference between America and Canada, i'd use the word 'subtle'.

Canada is subtle America. and considering the state of affairs down south at the moment, that should be a welcome variation.



good post:lol

[hammer2010]

Canada is literally everything good about America without having to put up with any of the shit

we get your entertainment, your food, your brands, your security backing, and our leaders get to piggyback on yours politically

meanwhile, we don't put up with anything close to your sham politics, we aren't hated worldwide, our historical records are cleaner, we've still got the whole sea to shining sea bit, our corporate and financial sectors are a million times safer, better government entitlements with a deficit that the rest of the world envies

and most of all, we aren't bombarded with retardedly over the top advertisements and marketing campaigns that should be enough to drive every American insane... that shit still goes on, but it's much more subtle

actually, if i were to describe the difference between America and Canada, i'd use the word 'subtle'. Canada is subtle America. and considering the state of affairs down south at the moment, that should be a welcome variation.

You are from Canada Ridonks? What part? You are one of the coolest guys on here, I should have put 2 and 2 together. Oh and don't forget that our society is generally freer than the land of the free, and our law enforcement is respectful and more professional for the most part.

[glidedrxlr22]

So what do Canadian feel in general about outsiders coming to live there....especially from the US?

What's the biggest culture shock for an American/US going there?

[Randy]

Pros: Less fat people, better looking girls from my experiences with the states, very little crime, free healthcare, stronger beer (but costs twice as much).


Like what?

[hammer2010]

So what do Canadian feel in general about outsiders coming to live there....especially from the US?

What's the biggest culture shock for an American/US going there?

Canadians are very welcoming I feel. You won't encounter a lot of arrogance towards outsiders, I am talking to you America and France. If you tell most people you're American they will probably be very interested to know more about what it's like to live there and then explain how things are different in Canada.Of course individuals are different all over, there are good people, bad people and as*holes everywhere but I'm speaking generally.

I think the biggest cultural shock for most young people to be honest will be people's obsession with hockey, long winters and Canadian television. Of course if you have cable or satellite then you still get all of your American channels. In fact majority will be American tv. Another thing you will notice is that people are more assimilated. This might piss off you racists but in most groups of friends half will be white, with the other half being a combination of black, indian, asian and other races. People aren't really separated along racial lines as much basically.

[PowerGlove]

I actually prefer the US over Canada even though logically it really doesnt make much sense on my end.

[hammer2010]

I actually prefer the US over Canada even though logically it really doesnt make much sense on my end.

If I was an outsider and had a month to either visit US or Canada I would pick US 10 times out of 10. I just think if I lived there my quality of life won't be the same. I can't picture myself living their. I have visited California, New York, Arizona, Nevada and Virginia.

[lilbill]

just as funny as dead baby jokes

FAIL

http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc456/lilbill64/oh_he_mad.jpg

http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc456/lilbill64/01america.jpg

:rockon:

[DevilsAssassin]

get use to CFL highlights when you are watching a Sports Channel

[BoogieWoogieMan]

get use to CFL highlights when you are watching a Sports Channel

And the occasional curling. :oldlol:


:(

[DevilsAssassin]

And the occasional curling. :oldlol:


:(

lol

[rufuspaul]

learn french if you want


I don't have anything against Canada but their version of French is like fingernails on a chalkboard.

[hammer2010]

And the occasional curling. :oldlol:


:(

And singing fakkit rcmp in canoes.

http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/9b/53/1e/oh-canada-eh-dinner-show.jpg

[Done_And_Done]

And this alien

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Unless you've got some nice bank saved or intend on making a fairly handsome salary I would suggest not moving in the heart of downtown Toronto or Vancouver right off the bat. There's plenty of suburbs such as Mississauga, Milton, Brampton where you can find housing for much cheaper then the metropolis regions...

[LeFraud James]

Canada, eh?

[Stuckey]

find a job first, the cities are expensive

alcohol is expensive too

[RidonKs]

You are from Canada Ridonks? What part?
i'm an east coaster, but right now i'm finishing up my studies in ottawa. a half credit left and i can't wait to get out. i'm planning to explore quite a bit of the country next summer.

what about you?

[RidonKs]

I don't have anything against Canada but their version of French is like fingernails on a chalkboard.
this is true. though the more you make fun of it, the more tolerable it becomes.

[QuebecBaller]

I don't have anything against USA but their version of English is like fingernails on a chalkboard.

Fixed :D

[macmac]

this is true. though the more you make fun of it, the more tolerable it becomes.

Yeah I hate the heavy Quebecer accent too but it's definitely funny to imitate....the only thing worst is the French the Acadian newfies mumble

[johndeeregreen]

Pros: Less fat people, better looking girls from my experiences with the states, very little crime, free healthcare, stronger beer (but costs twice as much).
Health care is NOT free. This is the most outlandish myth out there that is continually perpetuated about Canada.

One pro, at least out here in AB, is that there are nothing but jobs to be filled. If you don't have a job in AB right now it's because you don't want one.

[johndeeregreen]

get use to CFL highlights when you are watching a Sports Channel
Ugh, this is true. The CFL is an embarrassment to the sport of football. Nobody, under any circumstances, should have to watch this shit. I'd rather watch local HS football, I really would, because at least then I'm not expecting them to actually be professionals. God the CFL ****ing sucks.

[hammer2010]

i'm an east coaster, but right now i'm finishing up my studies in ottawa. a half credit left and i can't wait to get out. i'm planning to explore quite a bit of the country next summer.

what about you?


I'm from Alberta. I am dating an east coaster atm, love her to death until she gets some whiskey in her, then I have no idea wtf she's talking about. :oldlol:
I plan on visiting the east coast this summer for a couple weeks. Alberta and BC are beautiful, every one should visit if they get the chance. Montreal is my favourite city in North America though, despite the Quebecois.

[Velocirap31]

Health care is NOT free. This is the most outlandish myth out there that is continually perpetuated about Canada.

One pro, at least out here in AB, is that there are nothing but jobs to be filled. If you don't have a job in AB right now it's because you don't want one.

I'm aware we pay taxes, everyone is. Thanks for stating the obvious. However, in Canada, a majority of our taxes go towards this universal healthcare rather than an inflated military budget for example.

[Velocirap31]

I'm getting negged a lot from this thread. Eat a bag of ***** you neggars.

[hammer2010]

Ugh, this is true. The CFL is an embarrassment to the sport of football. Nobody, under any circumstances, should have to watch this shit. I'd rather watch local HS football, I really would, because at least then I'm not expecting them to actually be professionals. God the CFL ****ing sucks.

That's true my buddy turned down a $60000 contract with a cfl team out of university to go work for an oil company for $85000. :lol

[johndeeregreen]

I'm aware we pay taxes, everyone is. Thanks for stating the obvious. However, in Canada, a majority of our taxes go towards this universal healthcare rather than an inflated military budget for example.
That's nice and all, but the fact remains that literally the complete opposite of what you said is true.

[johndeeregreen]

That's true my buddy turned down a $60000 contract with a cfl team out of university to go work for an oil company for $85000. :lol
Its not just the pay, it's the quality of football. It's a ****ing national disgrace.

[johndeeregreen]

I'm aware we pay taxes, everyone is. Thanks for stating the obvious. However, in Canada, a majority of our taxes go towards this universal healthcare rather than an inflated military budget for example.
BTW, the luxury of our dollars going towards things like a socially funded health care is thanks in large part to the 'inflated military budget' of our friends down south. God forbid we ever had to defend ourselves.

[RidonKs]

Ugh, this is true. The CFL is an embarrassment to the sport of football. Nobody, under any circumstances, should have to watch this shit. I'd rather watch local HS football, I really would, because at least then I'm not expecting them to actually be professionals. God the CFL ****ing sucks.
c'mon, don't shit all over it. i haven't kept up with it in the slightest, but unless it's changed drastically in the last five years, i can't imagine it's that bad. i used to love the cfl and there were some great players. doug flutie, danny macmanus, pretty sure cavillo is still doing his thing, etc. what's so bad about it?

[Velocirap31]

BTW, the luxury of our dollars going towards things like a socially funded health care is thanks in large part to the 'inflated military budget' of our friends down south. God forbid we ever had to defend ourselves.

Very true. We shouldn't have to ever defend ourselves though. We're tight with Britain to. :cheers:

[RidonKs]

I'm from Alberta. I am dating an east coaster atm, love her to death until she gets some whiskey in her, then I have no idea wtf she's talking about. :oldlol:
I plan on visiting the east coast this summer for a couple weeks. Alberta and BC are beautiful, every one should visit if they get the chance. Montreal is my favourite city in North America though, despite the Quebecois.
i just split up with a girl who's doing her phd at mcgill, so i spent a little time in montreal, and it was pretty much enough to say the exact same thing. best city in the country that i've been to at least.

maritimer drunkenness is a thing to behold. or is she a newf? i just got called out on that by a newfie a few weeks ago when i suggested that we were maritime brethren. turns out not so much, newfoundland doesn't like to be associated with the rest of the maritimes. lol

[IlliniFan]

Beer is so much more expensive up there. A case of bud light here is somewhere around $17, and a case of comparable canadian beer over there is around $30. **** that. And I'm not sure about other provinces, but the only place you can buy beer in Ontario is at "the beer store" or some other specialty store. Can't just go to 7-11 or a grocery store and grab some beer.

[johndeeregreen]

c'mon, don't shit all over it. i haven't kept up with it in the slightest, but unless it's changed drastically in the last five years, i can't imagine it's that bad. i used to love the cfl and there were some great players. doug flutie, danny macmanus, pretty sure cavillo is still doing his thing, etc. what's so bad about it?
Ugh, it's just so... bad. It's slow. It eliminates any talent at the running back position, which sucks because any quarterback worth watching plays in the NFL. The players make HS mistakes mentally and physically on a routine basis. It just isn't very good. I can't switch from an NFL game to a CFL game without cringing, it's like watching a replay in 1/2 speed. It's just...not good. That's the best way I can put it. They don't have the talent pool there.

[RidonKs]

Ugh, it's just so... bad. It's slow. It eliminates any talent at the running back position, which sucks because any quarterback worth watching plays in the NFL. The players make HS mistakes mentally and physically on a routine basis. It just isn't very good. I can't switch from an NFL game to a CFL game without cringing, it's like watching a replay in 1/2 speed. It's just...not good. That's the best way I can put it. They don't have the talent pool there.
iunno, i guess i can't really comment having not watched it for so long. what i remember wasn't that weak though and there were enough playmakers in the league to make for exciting games. i remember more than a handful of spectacular finishes in the playoffs and the grey cup. fun times.

the talent is probably at the level of serious high school football in America. but those games attract thousands of people too. it's still good enough to watch, even if it isn't quite the nfl.

[hammer2010]

Its not just the pay, it's the quality of football. It's a ****ing national disgrace.

THAT'S MY POINT. Can you imagine anyone turning down playing in the nfl? I sure as hell wouldn't even if I had to take a pay cut for a few years.

[RidonKs]

Beer is so much more expensive up there. A case of bud light here is somewhere around $17, and a case of comparable canadian beer over there is around $30. **** that. And I'm not sure about other provinces, but the only place you can buy beer in Ontario is at "the beer store" or some other specialty store. Can't just go to 7-11 or a grocery store and grab some beer.
Quebec and i think maybe Alberta are the only provinces that license convenience and grocery stores to sell booze. Ontario isn't even that bad. in Nova Scotia, it's right around $40-45 for a 24. cigarette margins are even worse. it's pretty bad all around though. then again, i remind myself, it should be. that shit is bad for the population and i'm glad it's expensive. i buy it anyways and so can everybody else.

[hammer2010]

Quebec and i think maybe Alberta are the only provinces that license convenience and grocery stores to sell booze. Ontario isn't even that bad. in Nova Scotia, it's right around $40-45 for a 24. cigarette margins are even worse. it's pretty bad all around though. then again, i remind myself, it should be. that shit is bad for the population and i'm glad it's expensive. i buy it anyways and so can everybody else.

Grocery stores don't carry liquor in Alberta. Some grocery stores have their own liquor stores but they are separate buildings and it is exclusively a liquor store. Prices in BC are completely insane.

[macmac]

Quebec sells beer and cheap wine everywhere until 11pm...and they're trying to pass a law to get clubs and bars open till 5am, right now it's open till 3am, 18+

[hammer2010]

Quebec sells beer and cheap wine everywhere until 11pm...and they're trying to pass a law to get clubs and bars open till 5am, right now it's open till 3am, 18+

That's why I love Montreal. It feels like any major city in Europe. The history, the culture, French speakers, and of course the night life is what puts it over the top for me. :rockon:

[Velocirap31]

That's why I love Montreal. It feels like any major city in Europe. The history, the culture, French speakers, and of course the night life is what puts it over the top for me. :rockon:

Definitely true. Like most, I went there when I was 18 so it was all new and exciting to go to the clubs. The people are rude as hell though and they can't drive worth a damn either.

[hammer2010]

Definitely true. Like most, I went there when I was 18 so it was all new and exciting to go to the clubs. The people are rude as hell though and they can't drive worth a damn either.

I dunno bro. Some people are rude, but the girls are some of the most beautiful and friendliest anywhere. I always over achieve there sexually.

The part about driving's true tho. Nobody stops at stop signs, there is no signalling. People will cut you off on the highway without signalling. I'm surprised Quebec doesn't have the highest highway fatality rate in the developed world.

[QuebecBaller]

Beer is so much more expensive up there. A case of bud light here is somewhere around $17, and a case of comparable canadian beer over there is around $30. **** that. And I'm not sure about other provinces, but the only place you can buy beer in Ontario is at "the beer store" or some other specialty store. Can't just go to 7-11 or a grocery store and grab some beer.

24 bud light cost around 25$ in Quebec City and you can buy it everywhere, not like in Ontario.

But are you saying Bud light is beer? It's just water with a little crappy taste of beer in it.

[DaHeezy]

Canada is literally everything good about America without having to put up with any of the shit

we get your entertainment, your food, your brands, your security backing, and our leaders get to piggyback on yours politically

meanwhile, we don't put up with anything close to your sham politics, we aren't hated worldwide, our historical records are cleaner, we've still got the whole sea to shining sea bit, our corporate and financial sectors are a million times safer, better government entitlements with a deficit that the rest of the world envies

and most of all, we aren't bombarded with retardedly over the top advertisements and marketing campaigns that should be enough to drive every American insane... that shit still goes on, but it's much more subtle

actually, if i were to describe the difference between America and Canada, i'd use the word 'subtle'. Canada is subtle America. and considering the state of affairs down south at the moment, that should be a welcome variation.

I always thought you were from Washington DC

[IamSofaKing]

Hot girls (Toronto, Montreal), night life, and better weed :pimp:

[Jailblazers7]

I would really consider moving up north once I graduate depending on the opportunity. I think I'm gonna try to make a trip up to Toronto or Montreal during the spring.

[macmac]

I would really consider moving up north once I graduate depending on the opportunity. I think I'm gonna try to make a trip up to Toronto or Montreal during the spring.

Montreal doesn't have too many corporate opportunities, Toronto is much better suited for that...Montreal is all about the clubs, restaurants and services...no one really works lol

[hammer2010]

i just split up with a girl who's doing her phd at mcgill, so i spent a little time in montreal, and it was pretty much enough to say the exact same thing. best city in the country that i've been to at least.

maritimer drunkenness is a thing to behold. or is she a newf? i just got called out on that by a newfie a few weeks ago when i suggested that we were maritime brethren. turns out not so much, newfoundland doesn't like to be associated with the rest of the maritimes. lol

She's from PEI. I never heard of that lol. I will always refer to all of you as crazy easterners. Definitely the realest people in Canada. Some of the coolest, funniest and craziest people I have ever met in my life have been from the East coast and maritimes.

[JtotheIzzo]

I've lived in both so you need to figure out what your reasons for moving are.

Setting up shop permanently elsewhere? Canada is the better choice, safer communities, friendlier people and more security.

Setting up shop permanently and looking to become rich? US is the better choice, more opportunities for those who are driven to make a lot of money. However, if you are studying to be an engineer or some other job where you'll be highly skilled but have someone else pay your salary Canada might be as good a choice.

Hate winter? US for obvious reasons. Canadians like to think some parts of the country are temperate, but it is all cold bull shit for five months a year.

If you want to keep tabs on the old world and speak your native language, then you need to find out which cities have the most Bulgarians. The danger in this is that you'll just do Bulgarian things, roll with Bulgarian people and speak whatever language it is you guys speak.

If you want to do trade between Bulgaria and your new country (due to your connection to both) the US is likely a better choice.

If you want to go to school there are factors to consider. The US has better top flight schools, but a good Canadian school is better than a mid-range US one.



Despite everything you've read North America is largely the same. Find out what you want to get out of this and then figure out which city serves you best, and you will find your answer.

[hammer2010]

Im a final year undergraduate in my country. And as im looking forward to the near future there seems to be no place for me here. If you stay here either you go crazy or dumb. The social envioroment is terrible, im looking to develop and gain new skills, something that wont happen here.

I was thinking about Canada. Its seems like a good place to live in. The economy is good. What are the pros and cons for living in Canada?

What are you studying OP?

[PistonsFan#21]

i'm an east coaster, but right now i'm finishing up my studies in ottawa. a half credit left and i can't wait to get out. i'm planning to explore quite a bit of the country next summer.

what about you?

What place do you study at? Im in my 3rd year at Ottawa university

[fiddy]

Thanks ISH. I think i got the answers i was looking for.

Canada sounds like the perfect place for me. I like cold weather as odd as it may seems. Also i am looking for a more laid back society and life. Not permanently but i need to get away for a while maybe a year or two. The mentality of the people over here is driving me crazy. Everything is soaked up in corruption and misery.

We have a saying here if a bulgarian goes to hell there will be no need someone to guard him not to escape, because there would be other bulgarians pulling him back. Thats whats going on with immigrants. There are always people that will try to screw you up. Bulgarians society is not a factor when comes to making a decision.

Most likely i wont make any moves until the end of the year, but im gathering information. I will try to explore couple of more opportunities over before leaving. But simply i cant see a decent perspective here. Which is deeply sad because i love my language and culture but i hate contemporary Bulgarian mentality.

Im studying logistics aka supply chain management. The level of education at my university is terrible that why i ordered american textbook this morning.

Many thanks for the replies people. Any addition information is welcome.

Best regards.

[Reef]

What place do you study at? Im in my 3rd year at Ottawa university

I graduated from Ottawa U. :cheers:

[lilbill]

:lol Got like 5 negs just for saying "it's Canada." OP try moving to a place where people aren't so easily butthurt.

[RidonKs]

What place do you study at? Im in my 3rd year at Ottawa university
i'm at carleton. what the ****s a geegee?

i dunno how many ottawa peeps there are, but if we found enough i'd be down to get together for a scrimmage. i haven't played ball in way too long and not knowing anybody else around here who plays is really taking its toll

[NuggetsFan]

Didn't realize there was so many people living in Ottawa here :lol hoping I finish up my school\GED and apply to Algonquin college next year.

[moaz]

Thanks ISH.

Many thanks for the replies people. Any addition information is welcome.

Best regards.

Before making any plans, u must realize that it is not that easy to come here in the first place. Most of the yearly 250000 new immigrants to Canada have either waited for many years for their application to be processed r are family class immigrants. I was talking with an immigration consultant (non gov) yesterday and she told me that it is now much harder to come here than 2-3 years ago.
A Bulgarian friend of mine (Oxford PhD with a permanent job in Germany) was denied a visa to Canada to take a french language course. But this was 5 years ago. so ask around what is the best way for young Bulgarians to come to Canada. I know that some countries have something called Work & Travel visa program with Canada, where young people can come here for one year and has some kind of work permit.

and btw the real estates in Mississauga/Richmond Hill/ Markham are more expensive than those in Toronto.

[MMM]

Pros: Less fat people, better looking girls from my experiences with the states, very little crime, free healthcare, stronger beer (but costs twice as much).

Cons: Higher taxes, fast food is limited, cold winters (minnesota-like in most areas), higher gas prices, crappy television.

I don't think that is accurate among all our jurisdictions.

[DaHeezy]

I'm going to throw the hat in for Vancouver.
It is the top 5 cities in the world to live in. It may not have the night life of Montreal, or the corperate opportunity of Toronto, but it is the most diverse city in Canada. Lot's of ethnicity, great cuisine, a great cultural melting pot. It's the only city where you got an ocean, drive an hour and you can ski. Hot in the summer, with no mosquitoes, and moderate in the winter, which is a fair trade with a higher amount of rain.
There is a growing community here. Population gets higher and higher. If you don't want to be to populated, there's Victoria, which was actually voted the best city in the world to live in. Like Van but even more chill. BC has pretty much everything for easy living

[Kungfro]

Ugh, this is true. The CFL is an embarrassment to the sport of football. Nobody, under any circumstances, should have to watch this shit. I'd rather watch local HS football, I really would, because at least then I'm not expecting them to actually be professionals. God the CFL ****ing sucks.

I don't know, I don't really mind CFL. Went to a stamps game a few months ago and had fun. Sure it's not the NFL, but it's alright.

[Dave3]

and btw the real estates in Mississauga/Richmond Hill/ Markham are more expensive than those in Toronto.
I'm not so sure about that. Knowing people who live in both Markham, Richmond Hill, Mississauga, and Toronto, Toronto is still more expensive. You can get 2800 Sq. Ft. houses for about 400K in Markham and 3500 Sq. Ft. ones for 500k in Sauga, but some places in Toronto near 3000 Sq. Ft. will run you up to the millions.

It depends on the area specifically I think. I know on 16th and Warden there is that group of houses that's starting at 1.5 million and they're all about 4000 Sq. Ft. I believe, but generally, Toronto and North York have some crazy expensive areas.

[johndeeregreen]

BC has pretty much everything for easy living
Except the actual cost of it.

[DaHeezy]

Except the actual cost of it.

Deepends where. Metro Vancouver may be the most expensive city in Canada, but the suburbs are very reasonable and growing. I own a loft 2-bedroom condo in Surrey. 1250 square feet I purchased for 250,000. Surrey is the fastest growing city here in BC, and I think second to Calgary. They're even building the Largest outlet mall in Western North America here. Surrey and suburbs like it are pretty much and extension of metro Van, and minutes to DT

[mika]

Come to BC:cheers:

[lilbill]

i didnt neg you b4, but for being too dumb to understand its about ignorance and not being 'butthurt' you get 1 more

:violin:

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[lilbill]

u realy not learnin? fine. this prolly annoys u 2 since u a rep begger. only way 2 get it 2 stop is silence foo

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[lilbill]

get mad u fking shthead ill fk ur mum in the ear

:oldlol:

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[lilbill]

I love these negs from the butthurt. Keep em coming.

http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc456/lilbill64/Canada-funny-mounties-US-image1.png

[PowerGlove]

why are talking to yourself??? no one cares about you getting negged.

plus you cant find many places on earth better than Toronto in the summertime.


haha, that's one of the funniest and most personal negs I've ever received. good job.

[lilbill]

why are talking to yourself??? no one cares about you getting negged.

plus you cant find many places on earth better than Toronto in the summertime.


haha, that's one of the funniest and most personal negs I've ever received. good job.

Didn't come from me. I actually haven't negged anyone on here. I just find it funny that people are so easily offended. I actually loved Canada when I visited there. I make fun of where I live all the time. Still wouldn't live anywhere else.

http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc456/lilbill64/canada-1.jpg

[lilbill]

The picture is not even Canada. It is Lake Geneva in Switzerland.

Wild. Still a pretty cool pic. Ice storms are the worst.

[lilbill]

If you want some nasty winter, go to Mount Washington in New Hampshire.

Been there. The winds are fukking crazy.

[JtotheIzzo]

Americans dissing Canada is so f*cked out.:oldlol: They are slowly becoming more obsessed about us than we are of them and that is pretty sad. Probably because we do their way of life better than they do.

[hammer2010]

Americans dissing Canada is so f*cked out.:oldlol: They are slowly becoming more obsessed about us than we are of them and that is pretty sad. Probably because we do their way of life better than they do.

We are indeed the home of the free and land of the brave. While Americans get prison sentences for marijuana possession and are afraid of men in caves halfway across the world. :lol

[lilbill]

Americans dissing Canada is so f*cked out.:oldlol: They are slowly becoming more obsessed about us than we are of them and that is pretty sad. Probably because we do their way of life better than they do.

Oh it's entirely a jealousy thing. That's why I don't understand the negs.:oldlol:
We want free healthcare and legalized weed. You guys can keep the cold though.

[JtotheIzzo]

Oh it's entirely a jealousy thing. That's why I don't understand the negs.:oldlol:
We want free healthcare and legalized weed. You guys can keep the cold though.

Just funny that you are so invested in the diss, you'd think it wouldn't even be on the radar if you truly believed in the disses.

[johndeeregreen]

Oh it's entirely a jealousy thing. That's why I don't understand the negs.:oldlol:
We want free healthcare and legalized weed. You guys can keep the cold though.
ITS.

NOT.

FREE.

We pay for healthcare every two weeks. To date, I have unquestionably paid exponentially more in health care costs than I have used, and it's not even close. So you don't pay at a clinic visit twice a year. What's that, a few hundred bucks in comparison to the amount gouged out of my paycheck every two weeks? And let's not forget, if you want a prescription after you visit the clinic, that comes out of your pocket unless you have health insurance.

Honestly I'm even a proponent of socially funded health care. But for anyone to call it free, that's just... mind boggling. Do any of you who are saying this have jobs or pay taxes?

[andgar923]

My plans are to move to Canada by next year.

I've been to Ottawa and Toronto and I love it, although I didn't go during the winter.

Canadians are a million times more welcoming, friendly, conscious of others, respectful, cleaner, etc. Moving there for the people alone is worth the taxes one pays. I grew up in L.A. and I'd pay more taxes if I was guaranteed a safer, cleaner less stressful environment. That alone should be worth the price for most people. Canadians are also far more tolerant of other cultures and ethnic backgrounds (from my experiences). I asked if after 9/11 Muslims got treated differently and consensus answer was "NO". They were treated just the same after 9/11.... with acceptance.

Oh... and I must admit, they're food overall>>>>> American

Why?

Their foods aren't as processed as ours.

Hell... even their faucet water (from a hotel restroom) is >>>>>>>> any bottled water I've ever drank, it aint close. I guess I never drank 'clean' water in my life because this was pure clean water, or it tasted as such.

Like some said, Canada is like America 2.0... just colder (depending on which area). They have everything we have, but in a better environment. Sure, taxes are higher, but it's well worth the price. The entire country is like living in a safe secured exclusive gated community here in the States... but like everywhere. They still live by the 'honor' system which is something very rare here in the states.

Imo paying higher taxes is worth the higher quality of life, any time.

[lilbill]

Just funny that you are so invested in the diss, you'd think it wouldn't even be on the radar if you truly believed in the disses.

Just having fun on the internets.

[johndeeregreen]

My plans are to move to Canada by next year.

I've been to Ottawa and Toronto and I love it, although I didn't go during the winter.

Canadians are a million times more welcoming, friendly, conscious of others, respectful, cleaner, etc. Moving there for the people alone is worth the taxes one pays. I grew up in L.A. and I'd pay more taxes if I was guaranteed a safer, cleaner less stressful environment. That alone should be worth the price for most people. Canadians are also far more tolerant of other cultures and ethnic backgrounds (from my experiences). I asked if after 9/11 Muslims got treated differently and consensus answer was "NO". They were treated just the same after 9/11.... with acceptance.
Not only do we treat immigrants well, we actually kowtow to their every whim. Don't want to wear the Mountie hat, a part of the RCMP uniform since forever, because you want to wear your turban instead? Hey, no problem! Want to bring your razor-sharp dagger to school because it's part of your beliefs? Certainly! Don't want to learn English or French? Hey, no problemo! Canada's like heaven for immigrants. Just come to our country, don't learn the language, don't observe any of the customs, with no consequences.


Like some said, Canada is like America 2.0... just colder (depending on which area). They have everything we have, but in a better environment. Sure, taxes are higher, but it's well worth the price. The entire country is like living in a safe secured exclusive gated community here in the States... but like everywhere. They still live by the 'honor' system which is something very rare here in the states.

Imo paying higher taxes is worth the higher quality of life, any time.
This is one thing we take for granted in Canada, is the safety of where we live. The city I used to live in here in AB (Calgary) has about a million people and violent crime is basically nonexistent when you compare it to any American city of similar size.

[andgar923]

Not only do we treat immigrants well, we actually kowtow to their every whim. Don't want to wear the Mountie hat, a part of the RCMP uniform since forever, because you want to wear your turban instead? Hey, no problem! Want to bring your razor-sharp dagger to school because it's part of your beliefs? Certainly! Don't want to learn English or French? Hey, no problemo! Canada's like heaven for immigrants. Just come to our country, don't learn the language, don't observe any of the customs, with no consequences.


This is one thing we take for granted in Canada, is the safety of where we live. The city I used to live in here in AB (Calgary) has about a million people and violent crime is basically nonexistent when you compare it to any American city of similar size.

The sense of safety is unexplainable and doesn't have a price imo.

I grew up in well.. Compton/Lynwood and every day you felt the pressure. Even if you venture out of the inner cities, you still have your guard up even in a family environment.

I felt different being in Canada.

I didn't measure everybody that walked through the door, I didn't anticipate anything bad happening, like a huge pressure was released that is really hard to explain. I mean, you guys don't even look both ways when crossing the street, you just WALK!! I am still utterly blown away by this, ya'll have no clue. I saw people just walking in front of moving cars and the drivers were more than happy/willing to just stop and even smile!!!! it didn't matter who it was.

And I know you're being sarcastic, but from what I noticed and from what I was told, immigrants for the most part adapt very quickly to Canadian lifestyle. Sure, part of their cultural identity remains, but overall they adapt. It's harder here because life is much harder in every aspect, it truly is a dog eat dog world here so it brings out the worse in people. Then you have bigotry and hatred thrown into the mix, and the friction creates problems that shouldn't really exist between immigrants and opponents. Canada's tolerance doesn't really create much friction (at least not compared to US) so much of that isn't a big deal.

[andgar923]

Shit.... speaking of crime and safety in Canada.

I visited Toronto's 'hood' and I thought I was in Downey, CA. Downey is a safe middle class city, that's clean and relatively friendly.

I was in heaven.

If that's the hood then count me in!

[hammer2010]

Not only do we treat immigrants well, we actually kowtow to their every whim. Don't want to wear the Mountie hat, a part of the RCMP uniform since forever, because you want to wear your turban instead? Hey, no problem! Want to bring your razor-sharp dagger to school because it's part of your beliefs? Certainly! Don't want to learn English or French? Hey, no problemo! Canada's like heaven for immigrants. Just come to our country, don't learn the language, don't observe any of the customs, with no consequences.


This is one thing we take for granted in Canada, is the safety of where we live. The city I used to live in here in AB (Calgary) has about a million people and violent crime is basically nonexistent when you compare it to any American city of similar size.

It's a multicultural country retard. Which means that we are all immigrants and all cultures are tolerated and none are seen as better than any other. At least in theory. The safety that you take for granted is partly due to Canada being a welcoming and non discriminating society as a whole. In a way immigrants assimilate in Canada better than in most other societies and in their own pace while keeping the parts of their culture which they feel is important.

Most violence in the States is due to poverty, and large portions of the population feeling segregated and disenfranchised. Immigrant relations is one of the things that Canada gets so right that all other countries should follow its example.

[johndeeregreen]

And I know you're being sarcastic, but from what I noticed and from what I was told, immigrants for the most part adapt very quickly to Canadian lifestyle. Sure, part of their cultural identity remains, but overall they adapt. It's harder here because life is much harder in every aspect, it truly is a dog eat dog world here so it brings out the worse in people. Then you have bigotry and hatred thrown into the mix, and the friction creates problems that shouldn't really exist between immigrants and opponents. Canada's tolerance doesn't really create much friction (at least not compared to US) so much of that isn't a big deal.
I'm not being sarcastic at all. We let immigrants come to the country and change customs hundreds of years old because it doesn't jive with their culture. Sure, I get that you don't want to become completely assimiliated, and I respect that, but at a point, you have to play by our rules. If your own country was so shit hot, you'd still be there, so don't come over to ours and start dictating terms. Sikhs, for instance, won't remove their turbans to put on hard hats on construction sites, then sue for discrimination. Then we decide it's okay to let Sikhs carry knives to school, (http://www.cpco.on.ca/LawLibrary/BordenLadnerGervais/TOR01-3275167-v1-GNA_ARTICLE_SCC_DECISION_ON_COMMISSION_SCOLAIRE_v_ _MULTANI_kirpan_ban.pdf) but unsafe to let children bring soccer balls to school (http://m.ctv.ca/topstories/20111117/toronto-school-ball-ban-playground-111117.html). What I said was without a word of lie or sarcasm, we really do let immigrants walk all over us here. It's embarrassing.

[johndeeregreen]

It's a multicultural country retard. Which means that we are all immigrants and all cultures are tolerated and none are seen as better than any other. At least in theory. The safety that you take for granted is partly due to Canada being a welcoming and non discriminating society as a whole. In a way immigrants assimilate in Canada better than in most other societies and in their own pace while keeping the parts of their culture which they feel is important.
You have completely missed the point, kiddo.

[Dave3]

You have completely missed the point, kiddo.
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

To hammer2010 or w.e, multicultural tolerance is different than not requiring your citizens to learn the language and abide by certain rules. No one is saying you have no right to express your beliefs, but if they interfere with the safety or well being of others (the example of bringing a dagger to school) then it shouldn't be allowed. Simple enough.

[hammer2010]

You have completely missed the point, kiddo.

Being condescending doesn't make you right or even seem right. Your smug games won't work on me. :oldlol: It's quite pathetic actually.

So what is your point? We force sikhs to cut off their hair which they see as a religious duty to grow which goes back hundreds of year in their culture? And doing so would be discriminatory and cause much unneeded tension in society. The point of multiculturalism is that nobody is right. Every culture is accepted and can live their lives in line with their cultural beliefs as long as they are within the laws of the land.

[AirTupac]

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

To hammer2010 or w.e, multicultural tolerance is different than not requiring your citizens to learn the language and abide by certain rules. No one is saying you have no right to express your beliefs, but if they interfere with the safety or well being of others (the example of bringing a dagger to school) then it shouldn't be allowed. Simple enough.

They aren't going around stabbing people. It's a symbol for them and it's kept hidden and in a special sleeve.

[johndeeregreen]

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

To hammer2010 or w.e, multicultural tolerance is different than not requiring your citizens to learn the language and abide by certain rules. No one is saying you have no right to express your beliefs, but if they interfere with the safety or well being of others (the example of bringing a dagger to school) then it shouldn't be allowed. Simple enough.
This. I thought it was pretty clear. Express your beliefs up until the point where they either endanger yourself (ie, not wearing a f*cking hard hat on a construction site but wanting to work there anyway), others (bringing a f*cking blade to school), or break customs and laws that have been followed for centuries (there are also groups who refuse to have their pictures taken for their drivers licence, they have supporters nationwide as well). EVERYONE should have to follow the basic rules of society. Decisions shouldn't be made on a case-by-case basis. Hey, my religion requires I bring a loaded 12-gauge shotty to school. That ok too?

[johndeeregreen]

They aren't going around stabbing people. It's a symbol for them and it's kept hidden and in a special sleeve.
http://www.cityofinvernesscc.co.uk/forum/attachments/orly.jpg

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/crime/article/791293--brampton-kirpan-attack-renews-debate-over-sikh-daggers?bn=1

So only Sikhs can carry knives in public places because, well, gosh, we know they'll be responsible with them.:facepalm Responsible people of other religions, however, cannot bring weapons. The majority of people who own pistols won't go around shooting people either, but due to the matter of public safety, you can't walk around the GTA toting a pistol. It's common sense.

I'm sorry, these are still PEOPLE that are carrying knives. Subject to emotions and outbursts just like the rest of us. I mean really, this one is a no-brainer.

[Dave3]

They aren't going around stabbing people. It's a symbol for them and it's kept hidden and in a special sleeve.
I know, but what's to stop it from happening? You don't put a knife in the hand of a kid then say "they weren't supposed to do that"

I'm all for cultural expression, don't get me wrong. I love walking around Toronto and seeing people in different garments, it's almost surreal, but there's a point where we have to say no. Anyone can say "it's part of my religion" to justify a lot of dangerous behaviours, and when things go wrong, who is there to blame?

[hammer2010]

They aren't going around stabbing people. It's a symbol for them and it's kept hidden and in a special sleeve.

No kidding. When I was in high school 30 students were stabbed everyday by sikh students. :facepalm

It's so adorable seeing some of these racists mask their hate as a concern for public safety. :oldlol:

Oh and we shouldn't have scissors in school either neither should we have saws in shop classes nor knives in food's classes. Obviously student safety is of the utmost importance and kids will obviously stab each other any chance they get. :facepalm

[johndeeregreen]

No kidding. When I was in high school 30 students were stabbed everyday by sikh students. :facepalm

It's so adorable seeing some of these racists mask their hate as a concern for public safety. :oldlol:

Oh and we shouldn't have scissors in school either neither should we have saws in shop classes nor knives in food's classes. Obviously student safety is of the utmost importance and kids will obviously stab each other any chance they get. :facepalm
You are a complete ****ing idiot. These comparisons are beyond laughable, and the conclusions you are 'drawing' from my posts are pathetic and misleading. What's next from you? Sikhs shouldn't have to wear hard hats at job sites because that's discriminatory too? Omigosh the racism! How dare they!

[hammer2010]

You are a complete ****ing idiot. What's next from you? Sikhs shouldn't have to wear hard hats at job sites because that's discriminatory too? Omigosh the racism! How dare they!

You're the idiot! If intolerant idiots like you had your way immigrants would be disenfranchised much like in many European countries living in ghettos. And crime would be a much bigger problem as a result. That was the whole point dumbsh*t. :facepalm

[Dave3]

No kidding. When I was in high school 30 students were stabbed everyday by sikh students. :facepalm

It's so adorable seeing some of these racists mask their hate as a concern for public safety. :oldlol:

Oh and we shouldn't have scissors in school either neither should we have saws in shop classes nor knives in food's classes. Obviously student safety is of the utmost importance and kids will obviously stab each other any chance they get. :facepalm
Where the hell are there cooking classes with knives in elementary or high school?

And for the record, I'm pretty sure the scissors in elementary schools are also safety scissors. Not to mention it's under teacher supervision and not carried by the students outside a controlled classroom environment.

And good job playing the race card. Always bound to make you sound logical and intelligent. "You're just a racist, that's why you oppose this" Which is ignorant in itself because it's a religion not a race...

[johndeeregreen]

You're the idiot! If intolerant idiots like you had your way immigrants would be disenfranchised much like in many European countries living in ghettos. And crime would be a much bigger problem as a result. That was the whole point dumbsh*t. :facepalm
Uh, no, if 'intolerant idiots' like me had their way, everyone would have to follow the same set of laws in this country equally, regardless of race.

[hammer2010]

Where the hell are there cooking classes with knives in elementary or high school?

And for the record, I'm pretty sure the scissors in elementary schools are also safety scissors. Not to mention it's under teacher supervision and not carried by the students outside a controlled classroom environment.

And good job playing the race card. Always bound to make you sound logical and intelligent. "You're just a racist, that's why you oppose this" Which is ignorant in itself because it's a religion not a race...

LOL at these immigrant haters getting butthurt over my comments. :oldlol:
I was making the correlation between low crime in Canada and our tolerance for different cultures and new immigrants. Take a deep breath and relax. :oldlol:

[hammer2010]

Uh, no, if 'intolerant idiots' like me had their way, everyone would have to follow the same set of laws in this country equally, regardless of race.

I really couldn't care less about whether sikh kids carry a religious symbol to school or if they wear turbans instead of hard hats on construction sites. None of those things really concern me. If that's the cost I have to pay for lower crime rates as a whole I'll take it any day of the week. Thank you very much.

[Dave3]

LOL at these immigrant haters getting butthurt over my comments. :oldlol:
I was making the correlation between low crime in Canada and our tolerance for different cultures and new immigrants. Take a deep breath and relax. :oldlol:
No you weren't. You replied directly to his post about safety where he mentions the bringing daggers to school or not wearing hard hats and called him a retard for being intolerant when he was talking about safety.

And once again, stop saying stupid things like "you're a racist" or using the term "immigrant hater" when you have no idea what you're talking about. Not only am I an immigrant myself, but my 3 roomates are also immigrants (one of them is a Sikh surprise surprise) and we get along just fine. Intelligent people find a way to get along above the stupid different race tension that people like you hold onto to feel tolerant. If anything, I've learned a lot about different Indian religions and their culture. Stop assigning everything into "racist" and argue logic.

[johndeeregreen]

I really couldn't care less about whether sikh kids carry a religious symbol to school or if they wear turbans instead of hard hats on construction sites. None of those things really concern me. If that's the cost I have to pay for lower crime rates as a whole I'll take it any day of the week. Thank you very much.
Wait, so immigrants would be criminals if we didn't take such measures to appease them? And you have the audacity to call ME a racist?:oldlol: I'm done with you, boy. It's obvious you've got nothing to add to this discussion.

SMFH. Immigrants would jack up the crime rate if we didn't treat them so nicely, and I'm the racist. I can't get over this.:roll:

[hammer2010]

No you weren't. You replied directly to his post about safety where he mentions the bringing daggers to school or not wearing hard hats and called him a retard for being intolerant when he was talking about safety.

And once again, stop saying stupid things like "you're a racist" or using the term "immigrant hater" when you have no idea what you're talking about. Not only am I an immigrant myself, but my 3 roomates are also immigrants (one of them is a Sikh surprise surprise) and we get along just fine. Intelligent people find a way to get along above the stupid different race tension that people like you hold onto to feel tolerant. If anything, I've learned a lot about different Indian religions and their culture. Stop assigning everything into "racist" and argue logic.

The problem is that you and your little friend can't comprehend the difference between bringing a dangerous weapon to school with intent to harm and bringing a religious symbol to school which happens to be a dagger in this case. If someone has the intent to harm someone with a knife then nothing is stopping any other student from bringing a knife to school and using it. The same way that nothing is stopping the sikh student to use his dagger as a weapon. OBVIOUSLY using either or in any case would be seen as assault with a weapon. So I don't know what you are arguing? :facepalm

[hammer2010]

Wait, so immigrants would be criminals if we didn't take such measures to appease them? And you have the audacity to call ME a racist?:oldlol: I'm done with you, boy. It's obvious you've got nothing to add to this discussion.

SMFH. Immigrants would jack up the crime rate if we didn't treat them so nicely, and I'm the racist. I can't get over this.:roll:

Well it's pretty racist to assume that Sikh students would use a religious symbol as a weapon. And yes disenfranchising a group by telling them they can't follow certain customs when they are not hurting anyone is discriminatory. And that's a slippery slope my friend once we go down that road. But obviously you are smarter and know Canadian law better than all 8 supreme court judges. :rolleyes:

Ask any sociologist or economist how disenfranchising parts of the population affect poverty rates and crime rates in a society. And then come back and talk ok?

The point is that that's what Canada is. If you don't agree with if fine, you can leave if you don't like it. :cheers:

[johndeeregreen]

The point is that that's what Canada is. If you don't agree with if fine, you can leave if you don't like it. :cheers:
You continue to embarrass yourself. The guy who just spent an entire thread saying how the country should bend and change customs for immigrants just gave me the "love it or leave it" line. Priceless. You have no idea how pathetically representing yourself, do you? Do you know what "irony" means? Because you'd need a chainsaw to cut through it in this thread.

[Toni]

Canada is alright. I don't think I'd want to live anywhere else but here to be honest. I've seen much of the world and I think Canadians really take for granted everything that we are given. I am truly grateful to be a Canadian.

[hammer2010]

You continue to embarrass yourself. The guy who just spent an entire thread saying how the country should bend and change customs for immigrants just gave me the "love it or leave it" line. Priceless. You have no idea how pathetically representing yourself, do you? Do you know what "irony" means? Because you'd need a chainsaw to cut through it in this thread.

I think it's ironic that you would think you have any intelligence at all! :oldlol:

I didn't tell you to leave. I just said you are free to leave if you don't like it here and if immigrant tolerance bothers you so much. Or not! Whatever! Either way I don't really give a sh*t. Have a good day.

[johndeeregreen]

I think it's ironic that you would think you have any intelligence at all! :oldlol:

I didn't tell you to leave. I just said you are free to leave if you don't like it here and if immigrant tolerance bothers you so much. Or not! Whatever! Either way I don't really give a sh*t. Have a good day.
And you still. don't. get it.:facepalm

[hammer2010]

And you still. don't. get it.:facepalm


Hahahaha oh you sooo smawt! Always condescending. You must be so smart and cool. You're on a f*ckin basketball board you moron so GTFO with that sh*t. You think I am one of these 12 year old kids on these boards that's gonna concede my position because you pretend you're smarter than everyone. :oldlol:

The point is you made a weak a$$ argument, didn't back it up with any feasible evidence and you got spanked and resorted to personal attacks and condescension. THE END.

P.S I did resort to personal insults as well but I don't give a sh*t it's a basketball forum and it's funny. I don't take myself too seriously and I don't get mad on a message board :lol

[johndeeregreen]

Hahahaha oh you sooo smawt! Always condescending. You must be so smart and cool. You're on a f*ckin basketball board you moron so GTFO with that sh*t. You think I am one of these 12 year old kids on these boards that's gonna concede my position because you pretend you're smarter than everyone. :oldlol:

The point is you made a weak a$$ argument, didn't back it up with any feasible evidence and you got spanked and resorted to personal attacks and condescension. THE END.

P.S I did resort to personal insults as well but I don't give a sh*t it's a basketball forum and it's funny. I don't take myself too seriously and I don't get mad on a message board :lol
Another three paragraphs full of nothing substantial, where you managed to contradict your own points yet AGAIN. Thanks for playing.

[hammer2010]

Another three paragraphs full of nothing substantial, where you managed to contradict your own points yet AGAIN. Thanks for playing.

Show me one 'substantial' point you made. Oh wait, you can't you would rather come back with some smug bs that may make you come across as cool on the internet. Your focus should be bettering yourself in real life friend. :oldlol:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_x9kyAxJSZQ0/TKFEnz8NHQI/AAAAAAAAAKQ/ZVAHpiwMja0/s1600/super-computer-nerd.jpg

[johndeeregreen]

Quite frankly, if you've been unable to gather any legitimate points from the posts I've made, you're a mental infant. Which, really, is unsurprising, considering you did a much better job dismantling your own credibility by unwittingly contradicting your own points than I ever could. Your complete lack of original thought is only bolstered by using such an overused and cliched picture.

[hammer2010]

Quite frankly, if you've been unable to gather any legitimate points from the posts I've made, you're a mental infant. Which, really, is unsurprising, considering you did a much better job dismantling your own credibility by unwittingly contradicting your own points than I ever could. Your complete lack of original thought is only bolstered by using such an overused and cliched picture.


No no no! I'm not gonna let you off the hook. Go back and quote yourself. Don't leave it up to me. Hahaha Go back and show me one 'legitimate point' you made. Just one! :oldlol:

You must really enjoy getting raped, otherwise you would've stopped posting in this thread.

[johndeeregreen]

No no no! I'm not gonna let you off the hook. Go back and quote yourself. Don't leave it up to me. Hahaha Go back and show me one 'legitimate point' you made. Just one! :oldlol:
It's obvious you don't want to have an actual discussion about this, but sure, I'll humor you.

Explain why Canadian laws and customs should be altered for specific religions, despite the obvious nonsensical nature of doing so. For example: why should a Sikh be allowed to carry a blade to school, regardless of his intentions? It is in clear violation of school policy, and yet the exception is made due to political correctness. Nobody else, even those with the same intentions (or lack thereof), can bring weapons to school. Up to what point is religious freedom allowed to be practiced, in your opinion? Because by your posts in this tread, it's obvious that you feel that an individual's right to religious freedom supersedes the law. I wholeheartedly disagree with you, for reasons I've stated. Provide a rebuttal of why you feel an immigrant's religion is more important than long-established Canadian laws and customs.

[lilbill]

Canadians fighting! Cool! I thought they were too nice and friendly.:confusedshrug:

[RidonKs]

:oldlol: jdg ripping the sikhs a new asshole. i never heard of that but it is f*cking retarded. it's downright silly to let religious tolerance override basic safety procedure. kids are morons who don't know right and wrong. how is letting a kid carry a knife in anybody's best interest but his?

[johndeeregreen]

:oldlol: jdg ripping the sikhs a new asshole. i never heard of that but it is f*cking retarded. it's downright silly to let religious tolerance override basic safety procedure. kids are morons who don't know right and wrong. how is letting a kid carry a knife in anybody's best interest but his?
They also are exempted from wearing motorcycle helmets in some provinces. If you don't have an objection to a helmet on religious grounds, however, you unfortunately have to, you know, actually obey the law.

[Dave3]

They also are exempted from wearing motorcycle helmets in some provinces. If you don't have an objection to a helmet on religious grounds, however, you unfortunately have to, you know, actually obey the law.
That one's a little more bendable though. I mean, if you don't put other people in danger, you should be able to follow whatever beliefs you want. The no helmet thing doesn't harm anyone else.

[johndeeregreen]

That one's a little more bendable though. I mean, if you don't put other people in danger, you should be able to follow whatever beliefs you want. The no helmet thing doesn't harm anyone else.
OK, I disagree under the pretense that we should ALL be equal under the law, and laws aren't subject to which ones are convenient for us to follow. It's the duty of the state to put into place rules that we ALL must follow and enforce them for our safety.

And, technically, since we taxpayers would be bearing the brunt of putting said rider back together, it is our concern and it is hurting us. Just the same way guys that smoke for 40 years eat up our tax dollars every second they breathe in a hospital. But all right, we'll move along:

So how about them not wanting their kids to wear bike helmets? Some kid takes a header off his bike and cracks his skull wide open. Kids don't know better. That's why we have specific laws in place for those under 18. So is it okay for a 10-year-old to not have to wear his bicycle helmet?

[hammer2010]

It's obvious you don't want to have an actual discussion about this, but sure, I'll humor you.

Explain why Canadian laws and customs should be altered for specific religions, despite the obvious nonsensical nature of doing so. For example: why should a Sikh be allowed to carry a blade to school, regardless of his intentions? It is in clear violation of school policy, and yet the exception is made due to political correctness. Nobody else, even those with the same intentions (or lack thereof), can bring weapons to school. Up to what point is religious freedom allowed to be practiced, in your opinion? Because by your posts in this tread, it's obvious that you feel that an individual's right to religious freedom supersedes the law. I wholeheartedly disagree with you, for reasons I've stated. Provide a rebuttal of why you feel an immigrant's religion is more important than long-established Canadian laws and customs.

Well it turns out that the supreme court ruled in favor of the sikhs unanimously 8-0 in seeing the dagger as a religious symbol as opposed to a dangerous weapon. You are welcome to whine and b*tch about it all you want tho, doesn't change facts. If it's ever used as a weapon in a school then I will adamently oppose it. As for right now I don't see a problem with it. The point is that once we start telling people what parts of their religion is ok to practice and what parts are not then we are heading down a very slipperry slope. Especially when they are not hurting anyone. Now if it was a religious practice of the sikhs to take their daggers to school and stab whomever they saw fit then I would have a problem with it.

[johndeeregreen]

Well it turns out that the supreme court ruled in favor of the sikhs unanimously 8-0 in seeing the dagger as a religious symbol as opposed to a dangerous weapon.
That's your response? I ask you for your opinion on it and you come back with "well the Supreme Courts says so you're wrong." Come on.


If it's ever used as a weapon in a school then I will adamently oppose it. As for right now I don't see a problem with it. The point is that once we start telling people what parts of their religion is ok to practice and what parts are not then we are heading down a very slipperry slope.
As opposed to the slippery slope of changing laws for people who don't agree with them?

BTW, there is no 'slippery slope' involved with enforcing already-standing laws. Its not as if the government would be actively infringing their right to religious freedom.

You still haven't addressed why it is okay for a certain group of people to not obey laws and customs we've had in this country for hundreds of years simply because they don't like them.

As I said before, nobody is inhibiting their religious freedom unless it comes into contradiction with the law. Laws aren't subject to individual interpretation and preference. I'd love to be able to carry a pistol, even though I would have no intention of ever using it unless in dire self-defense, but I can't. Why not? It's against the law. Just because you have a strong moral conviction against a law doesn't make it any less valid; the law is the law. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't exist, or that the government should bow to you. Accommodation within reason. Our gov't is extremely accommodating to different cultures/races/religions/dialects, and yet people still want more. It's asinine. If you come to a country, you are subject to the laws of it. If you don't like them - as you said - leave.

[hammer2010]

That's your response? I ask you for your opinion on it and you come back with "well the Supreme Courts says so you're wrong." Come on.


As opposed to the slippery slope of changing laws for people who don't agree with them?

You still haven't addressed why it is okay for a certain group of people to not obey laws and customs we've had in this country for hundreds of years simply because they don't like them.

As I said before, nobody is inhibiting their religious freedom unless it comes into contradiction with the law. Laws aren't subject to individual interpretation and preference. I'd love to be able to carry a pistol, even though I would have no intention of ever using it unless in dire self-defense, but I can't. Why not? It's against the law. Just because you have a strong moral conviction against a law doesn't make it any less valid; the law is the law. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't exist, or that the government should bow to you. Accommodation within reason. Our gov't is extremely accommodating to different cultures/races/religions/dialects, and yet people still want more. It's asinine. If you come to a country, you are subject to the laws of it. If you don't like them - as you said - leave.

The supreme court is the highest court in the land genius! BEING ALLOWED TO CARRY A DAGGER TO SCHOOL IF YOU ARE A SIKH AND YOU WISH TO DO SO, IS THE LAW! Nobody is bending any laws. The highest court in the land says it is. Laws change, and if it is deemed as a danger to other people then this law will also fall. As of right now there is no precedence. So I support the court ruling.

LOL at you saying they should leave because they can't follow the laws when in fact they aren't breaking any laws.

[moaz]

some note about immigrants language skills:


Skilled worker class, investor/entrepreneur class/ work visa/ province nominee class immigrants have to prove their English/French language skills BEFORE the come to Canada.
The only exceptions are family class immigrants and refugees.
I've never meet any second generation children, who can't speak English/French. If u are blindfolded u would never distinguish them from any 5th generation Canadians.
We NEED these kids by the way to pay our pensions. Not their parents.
Thats said, all the studies made about economic impact of immigrants states that they put in our society much more money than they get back. They don't go so often to healthcare facilities, they pay their taxes, they buy homes and so on (exception again refugees in their first 5 years).


I,m also against sharp daggers in schools (they could use plastic things instead) but again we don't hear bout Sikhs running crazy every day.

BTW for clarity: I'm first generation immigrant. And I love this country. I'm proud when my 5 years old son sings Oh Canada whenever he sees a Canadian flag. For gods sake he already knows more about Ice hokey than I do.

[hammer2010]

some note about immigrants language skills:


Skilled worker class, investor/entrepreneur class/ work visa/ province nominee class immigrants have to prove their English/French language skills BEFORE the come to Canada.
The only exceptions are family class immigrants and refugees.
I've never meet any second generation children, who can't speak English/French. If u are blindfolded u would never distinguish them from any 5th generation Canadians.
We NEED these kids by the way to pay our pensions. Not their parents.
Thats said, all the studies made about economic impact of immigrants states that they put in our society much more money than they get back. They don't go so often to healthcare facilities, they pay their taxes, they buy homes and so on (exception again refugees in their first 5 years).


I,m also against sharp daggers in schools (they could use plastic things instead) but again we don't hear bout Sikhs running crazy every day.

BTW for clarity: I'm first generation immigrant. And I love this country. I'm proud when my 5 years old son sings Oh Canada whenever he sees a Canadian flag. For gods sake he already knows more about Ice hokey than I do.

Ya but to these Harper conservative BLOWHARDS all immigrants are freeloading, welfare dead weights who shouldn't be here cus they smell like curry. But they can't say that so they bring out all these other meaningless arguments like our government bends to immigrant wishes without getting anything in return bs. I know this because I live in Alberta and I come across these idiots almost daily. I am a 3rd gen white immigrant so 90% are openly racist anyway unless around other immigrants.

[MMM]

Ya but to these Harper conservative BLOWHARDS all immigrants are freeloading, welfare dead weights who shouldn't be here cus they smell like curry. But they can't say that so they bring out all these other meaningless arguments like our government bends to immigrant wishes without getting anything in return bs. I know this because I live in Alberta and I come across these idiots almost daily. I am a 3rd gen white immigrant so 90% are openly racist anyway unless around other immigrants.

Aren't the Conservatives making inroads in the immigrant communities???? Wasn't the immigration minister given a lot of credit for getting a lot of south west Asian communities in the 905 to switch and south east Asian communities in the lower main land to vote Conservative in the last election resulting in the first Conservative majority since the late 80's/early 90's.

[bigdog13]

You should come to Saskatchewan, it's totally not flat and boring.

Isn't Montana flat and boring?

[bigdog13]

But wait til you need Cancer care or heart surgery. OR if you kid needs a bunch of medical care. You will say who the F cares what they took off your pay cheque.

I pay money every year for house insurance and not one fire claim yet.


ITS.

NOT.

FREE.

We pay for healthcare every two weeks. To date, I have unquestionably paid exponentially more in health care costs than I have used, and it's not even close. So you don't pay at a clinic visit twice a year. What's that, a few hundred bucks in comparison to the amount gouged out of my paycheck every two weeks? And let's not forget, if you want a prescription after you visit the clinic, that comes out of your pocket unless you have health insurance.

Honestly I'm even a proponent of socially funded health care. But for anyone to call it free, that's just... mind boggling. Do any of you who are saying this have jobs or pay taxes?

[johndeeregreen]

The supreme court is the highest court in the land genius! BEING ALLOWED TO CARRY A DAGGER TO SCHOOL IF YOU ARE A SIKH AND YOU WISH TO DO SO, IS THE LAW! Nobody is bending any laws. The highest court in the land says it is. Laws change, and if it is deemed as a danger to other people then this law will also fall. As of right now there is no precedence. So I support the court ruling.

LOL at you saying they should leave because they can't follow the laws when in fact they aren't breaking any laws.
You're actually correct in a sense; they aren't breaking any laws NOW that the laws have been changed. I'm speaking more along the lines of how they came to be changed in the first place. They just refuse to follow existing laws and cause such a calamity about them that the government ends up making special exceptions for them. Which is what I said in my original post; we kowtow to the whims of immigrants in this country. The point has always been that practicing religious freedom is fine until it becomes a public safety or legal issue. I'm aware that they are no longer breaking any laws, thanks to our gutless, PC-at-all-costs culture, but that's only because they refused to follow them in the first place.

[johndeeregreen]

But wait til you need Cancer care or heart surgery. OR if you kid needs a bunch of medical care. You will say who the F cares what they took off your pay cheque.
I agree. I never said I didn't support the system we have. In fact I claimed the complete opposite. I'm merely pointing out to some people that it couldn't possibly be further from 'free.'

[johndeeregreen]

Ya but to these Harper conservative BLOWHARDS all immigrants are freeloading, welfare dead weights who shouldn't be here cus they smell like curry.
:oldlol:

Yes, that's EXACTLY what I'm saying here.

[hammer2010]

Why don't you come see me dude if you live in Calgary. I live in Sundance call me names to my face. I dare you! Please!!

[hammer2010]

Quite frankly, if you've been unable to gather any legitimate points from the posts I've made, you're a mental infant. Which, really, is unsurprising, considering you did a much better job dismantling your own credibility by unwittingly contradicting your own points than I ever could. Your complete lack of original thought is only bolstered by using such an overused and cliched picture.

Hey turd, I'm calling you out! Come see me bro. We can have a bare knuckle fight, til one of us quits or til someone gets knocked out. We'll post it on iSH!

Where you at p*ssy? I'll f*ck you til you love me ******! :oldlol:

[macmac]

Hey turd, I'm calling you out! Come see me bro. We can have a bare knuckle fight, til one of us quits or til someone gets knocked out. We'll post it on iSH!

Where you at p*ssy? I'll f*ck you til you love me ******! :oldlol:

After this lil outburst you undoubtedly won the debate, outwitting him with cunning physical threats. Masterful :applause:

[hammer2010]

After this lil outburst you undoubtedly won the debate, outwitting him with cunning physical threats. Masterful :applause:

I don't care about the debate. I wasn't trying to win the debate. He was calling me names so I encouraged him to come do it to my face since we live in the same city. It would just be a civil bare knuckle sparring session nothing more. :oldlol:

Come on johndeergreen, we can put the video on ish for everyone's enjoyment. I'll even pay your bus fare. $2.75 is nothing to me. :lol

[Kungfro]

Isn't Montana flat and boring?

Not like Saskatchewan.

[lilbill]

Isn't Montana flat and boring?

http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc456/lilbill64/montana-mountains.jpg

:rolleyes:

[hammer2010]

You are a complete ****ing idiot. These comparisons are beyond laughable, and the conclusions you are 'drawing' from my posts are pathetic and misleading. What's next from you? Sikhs shouldn't have to wear hard hats at job sites because that's discriminatory too? Omigosh the racism! How dare they!

Funny how this idiot completely fell of the face of the earth once I called his fakkit azz out! F*ckin p*ssy azz b*tch! :oldlol: I love Interent tough guys. :applause:

[hammer2010]

BUMP for that johndeere fakkit

http://www.ridelust.com/wp-content/uploads/funny_Car_365.jpg

:lol

[andgar923]

One of the huge drawbacks in Canada are the internet data caps.

[MMM]

One of the huge drawbacks in Canada are the internet data caps.

Rogers/Bell are fagggot asss companies :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Balla_Status]

Canadians fighting! Cool! I thought they were too nice and friendly.:confusedshrug:

lol nice

[Scholar]

I'd move to Canada just for the free healthcare. I'm sure I'd get used to the weather.

[RaininTwos]

i had a huge post with my thoughts now that ive moved back to canada from the us and my impressions on toronto and how toronto is one amazing city on the rise.

then ISH ruined all of that. fvck. lol.

Most of my post was directed towards the crazy growth that Toronto has experience since I left the area in Jan of 03. sorry for stretching the page.

This thread shows the cities growth upwards and out.
http://www.blogto.com/city/2010/08/the_transformation_of_torontos_skyline_from_1880_t o_today/


Toronto's Skyline in 1999:
http://www.blogto.com/upload/2010/08/20100829-1999_Skyline.jpg


Toronto's Skyline in 2010:
http://www.blogto.com/upload/2010/08/20100830-2010_skyline.jpg

this an amateur rendering of what it could've looked like in two years if all went through

http://upside-down.ca/sdphotos/TorLife-futureToronto.jpg

Labeled version:

http://www.upside-down.ca/sdphotos/TorLife-buildingkey.jpg

Some of favorite buildings under construction/being proposed are(these are renders obviously):

Aura(Yonge and Gerrard)

http://condobusiness.ca/Portals/15/aura-condos.jpg

Number One Bloor(Yonge and Bloor)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_V4w18ZWaPas/THMrKUHosqI/AAAAAAAAGbc/iVF7dABvCnQ/s1600/Number-One-Bloor.jpg

Ten York(York St. in between I think Lakeshore and the Gardiner?)

http://urbantoronto.ca/sites/default/files/imagecache/display-default/images/articles/2012/04/5288/urbantoronto-5288-16460.jpg

Pier 27(Foot of Yonge on the shore line)

http://thetorontoblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/the-Residences-at-Pier-27-rendering1.jpg

50 Bloor Street West

http://urbantoronto.ca/sites/default/files/imagecache/display-default/images/projects/5318/urbantoronto-5318-18759.jpg

ICE Condos (16 York St.)

http://www.myicecondo.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/ice.jpg

[Velocirap31]

It's really a dream of mine to get a place in downtown Toronto so that I can get Raptors season seats and easily attend the games. I'll need a lot of money first though if I'd like to live there.

[EricGordon23]

It's really a dream of mine to get a place in downtown Toronto so that I can get Raptors season seats and easily attend the games. I'll need a lot of money first though if I'd like to live there.

Thats exactly what i want to do!

[Velocirap31]

Thats exactly what i want to do!

:cheers: Roomies? I need a few more years of working though. Need to get a good paying job out of uni first.

[Beebo]

Vancity all the way!! Toronto is the only other Canadian city I would like to live in.

[QUIZZLE]

Funny how this idiot completely fell of the face of the earth once I called his fakkit azz out! F*ckin p*ssy azz b*tch! :oldlol: I love Interent tough guys. :applause:

Called him out? What, started to try an E-fight after he verbally destroyed you in an argument?? Baffled, you had nothing to say except "LET'S FIGHT THEN"

You're a monster. You showed him. :bowdown:

[johndeeregreen]

I forgot this thread.:oldlol: But it's still priceless. *****head calls me a racist before saying that immigrants are inherently violent criminals that behave themselves because we appease tjem. Then has the balls to tell ME to love it or leave it!