ISH's Top 25 Players of Alltime List

[Deuce Bigalow]

#1: Michael Jordan (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=237455)
#2: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=237815)
#3: Bill Russell (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=237918)
#4: Magic Johnson (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238016)
#5: Wilt Chamberlain (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238103)
#6: Larry Bird (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238181)
#7: Shaquille O'Neal (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238203)
#8: Tim Duncan (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238309)
#9: Hakeem Olajuwon (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238385)
#10: Kobe Bryant (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238486)
#11: Jerry West (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238569)
#12: Oscar Robertson (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238681)
#13: Moses Malone (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238749)
#14: Julius Erving (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238814)
#15: Charles Barkley (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238859)
#16: Karl Malone (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238954)
#17: Kevin Garnett (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239053)
#18: Dirk Nowitzki (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239130)
#19: David Robinson (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239207)
#20: Elgin Baylor (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239287)
#21: Isiah Thomas (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239340)
#22: Bob Pettit (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239420)
#23: John Havlicek (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239502)
#24: George Mikan (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239593)
#25: Scottie Pippen (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239645)

[SpecialQue]

Well, at least Mikan's on it.

[brownmamba00]

KG behind Malone and Barkley?

And Oscar @ 12 WTF?

[WillC]

A surprisingly solid list. Nice to see that it's not too modern. A nice mix of old and new era players.

Rick Barry's omission is a shame, but there will always be players left out unfairly.

Overall, well done ISH voters.

[alenleomessi]

without lebron the list automatically sucks

[RRR3]

This list is embarrasing.

[blablabla]

this list isn't very good
kareem shouldn't be second
bird should be above magic
kobe is top7
oscar "stat padder" robertson isn't even top 20
charles barkley 15:facepalm
no rick barry
dirk 18:facepalm
isiah is top 15

[JMT]

Good job, Deuce. Thanks for taking the time and effort.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Good job, Deuce. Thanks for taking the time and effort.

Didn't really take that much effort, just tallying up the votes, but yeah anyways :cheers:

[DirtySanchez]

Kobe should be in top 6 at least....

Wilt should be higher maybe switch places with Magic....

And Dr. J should be at least 10.

Other then that...I'm cool.

[JMT]

Didn't really take that much effort, just tallying up the votes, but yeah anyways :cheers:

You read and responded to some of those posts. I saw them too. It definitely took effort. :cheers:

[RRR3]

this list isn't very good
kareem shouldn't be second-Debatable
bird should be above magic-Not really
kobe is top7-LOL No
oscar "stat padder" robertson isn't even top 20-HAHAHAHAHHAAAAAA!!!!
charles barkley 15:facepalm -He's got an excellent case for top 15 :no:
no rick barry-Yeah, he should be on it most likely
dirk 18:facepalm-Agreed
isiah is top 15-in what universe? :roll:
...

[Heavincent]

Not a bad list actually.

[Math2]

#1: Michael Jordan (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=237455) Lower
#2: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=237815) Lower
#3: Bill Russell (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=237918) Higher
#4: Magic Johnson (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238016)
#5: Wilt Chamberlain (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238103) Lower
#6: Larry Bird (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238181) Higher
#7: Shaquille O'Neal (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238203) Lower
#8: Tim Duncan (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238309) Higher
#9: Hakeem Olajuwon (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238385)
#10: Kobe Bryant (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238486)
#11: Jerry West (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238569) Higher
#12: Oscar Robertson (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238681) Higher
#13: Moses Malone (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238749)
#14: Julius Erving (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238814)
#15: Charles Barkley (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238859) Lower
#16: Karl Malone (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238954) Lower
#17: Kevin Garnett (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239053) Lower
#18: Dirk Nowitzki (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239130) Lower
#19: David Robinson (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239207)
#20: Elgin Baylor (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239287) Higher
#21: Isiah Thomas (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239340)
#22: Bob Pettit (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239420) Higher
#23: John Havlicek (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239502) [B]higher
#24: George Mikan (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239593)
#25: Scottie Pippen (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239645)

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[32Dayz]

1. Jordan
2. Shaq
3. Kareem
4. Wilt
5. Duncan
6. Magic
7. Bird
8. Hakeem
9. Russell
10. Oscar/KG/Kobe

My List based on Playoff Production, Longevity and Intangibles.
(The way "Individual" Players should be judged.)

LoL @ Shaq being out of the top 5.
LoL @ Wilt over Shaq.

Thanks for mocking that post RRR I was gonna do it but you basically summed up what I was gonna say.

[Vienceslav]

1. Jordan
2. Shaq
3. Kareem
4. Wilt
5. Duncan
6. Magic
7. Bird
8. Hakeem
9. Russell
10. Oscar/KG/Kobe

My List based on Playoff Production, Longevity and Intangibles.
(The way "Individual" Players should be judged.)

LoL @ Shaq being out of the top 5.
LoL @ Wilt over Shaq.

Thanks for mocking that post RRR I was gonna do it but you basically summed up what I was gonna say.
Shaq will move up , just give it a couple of years.

[32Dayz]

Shaq will move up , just give it a couple of years.

Yeah your probably right.

I still find it funny though how he ends up ranked behind Wilt but when people make Wilt vs Shaq threads the majority say Shaq was better.

[DMV2]

Not a bad list actually.
Yeah, it was actually pretty good especially the Top 16.

[JMT]

1. Jordan
2. Shaq
3. Kareem
4. Wilt
5. Duncan
6. Magic
7. Bird
8. Hakeem
9. Russell
10. Oscar/KG/Kobe

My List based on Playoff Production, Longevity and Intangibles.
(The way "Individual" Players should be judged.)



Yet Russell's #9? :facepalm

[JMT]

Yeah, it was actually pretty good especially the Top 16.

Agreed. I didn't concur with every position to that point, but Garnett at 17 really screwed the pooch. Got worse from there.

[32Dayz]

Yet Russell's #9? :facepalm

As an Individual player I dont think Russell was more impactful or valuable then the players I ranked above him.

Why should I rank him higher if he wasn't a better basketball player?

Rings (what Russell is most known for after his legendary Defense and Leadership) are largely a by product of Supporting Casts and Luck.

Its just not objective or logical to use that as the basis of ranking someone higher on an GOAT List.

If we had a Draft I would without thinking take Jordan, Shaq, Wilt, Hakeem, Duncan and Kareem over Russell.
I also think I'd be inclined to take Bird and Magic over him.

Hence he is ranked behind those players.
Russell in todays game would be Hakeem with much worse 0ffense and better Leadership/Intangibles.

[RobertdeMeijer]

Can we please go on? Seriously, I'd love to just keep going.

[SyRyanYang]

Well, I guess everyone has his own list and it's impossible to please everybody. But well done OP. Thanks for doing this

[JMT]

As an Individual player I dont think Russell was more impactful or valuable then the players I ranked above him.

Why should I rank him higher if he wasn't a better basketball player?

Rings (what Russell is most known for after his legendary Defense and Leadership) are largely a by product of Supporting Casts and Luck.

Its just not objective or logical to use that as the basis of ranking someone higher on an GOAT List.

If we had a Draft I would without thinking take Jordan, Shaq, Wilt, Hakeem, Duncan and Kareem over Russell.
I also think I'd be inclined to take Bird and Magic over him.

Hence he is ranked behind those players.
Russell in todays game would be Hakeem with much worse 0ffense and better Leadership/Intangibles.


Your own criteria:

Playoff production, longevity and intangibles.

That's how you said individual players should be ranked.

Outside of scoring, none of the guys you have above Russell beat him in any of those areas.

[32Dayz]

Your own criteria:

Playoff production, longevity and intangibles.

That's how you said individual players should be ranked.

Outside of scoring, none of the guys you have above Russell beat him in any of those areas.

Actually they all beat him in Playoff Production by a pretty large margin and some of them have better intangibles.

His longetivity is decent (13 years) but most atleast match him and some (Shaq, Kareem) surpass him.

[JMT]

Actually they all beat him in Playoff Production by a pretty large margin and some of them have better intangibles.

His longetivity is decent (13 years) but most atleast match him and some (Shaq, Kareem) surpass him.

Since you're capitalizing Playoff Production I'm assuming it's some great made up stat like PER.

Better intangibles than the greatest winner in the history of American team sports?

Yes, championships are a team effort. Ask any Celtic of that era...or any player in the league for that matter...who was the most feared competitior in the game. He led by example, scoring when needed but generally subjugating his own offense for the team concept. His entire Hall of Fame, All Time great, virtually consensus Top 5 player career was built on intangibles.

Beat him in playoff production? Nobody outrebounded him in the post season, unless it was Wilt. Same with blocked shots. Best outlet passer in history, playing in an era when the fast break ruled. Won more in the post season than any other player on your list.

That leaves scoring. The game is more than just scoring.

[32Dayz]

And the game is more then just defense.

I love Russell but he was not a two way player the way Shaq/Wilt/Kareem/Duncan/Hakeem were.

Maybe he was "significantly" better then Shaq/Duncan/Wilt and Kareem Defensively but not to the same degree they were better then him 0ffensively. Being a great leader can only account for so much and I doubt he was a far better rebounder then the other Bigmen on the list to the point where it would make a legitimate difference in these sort of comparisons.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Since you're capitalizing Playoff Production I'm assuming it's some great made up stat like PER.

Better intangibles than the greatest winner in the history of American team sports?

Yes, championships are a team effort. Ask any Celtic of that era...or any player in the league for that matter...who was the most feared competitior in the game. He led by example, scoring when needed but generally subjugating his own offense for the team concept. His entire Hall of Fame, All Time great, virtually consensus Top 5 player career was built on intangibles.

Beat him in playoff production? Nobody outrebounded him in the post season, unless it was Wilt. Same with blocked shots. Best outlet passer in history, playing in an era when the fast break ruled. Won more in the post season than any other player on your list.

That leaves scoring. The game is more than just scoring.

That dude thinks Gasol was the best player on the 2010 Lakers, and even ranked Lebron and Gasol as the best players in 2010 :oldlol:
Don't bother arguing

[32Dayz]

Lets look at how both Gasol and Kobe performed in the 4 Laker Wins (2010 Finalz)

Kobe
26.5 PPG
10 RPG
3.75 APG
37%FG
2 SPG

Gasol
19 PPG
14 RPG (6 Offensive Rebounds Per Game)
5 APG
46%FG
2.5 BPG

:applause:

Gasol was better then Kobe in 2/4 Series and 12/23 Games in the 2010 Playoffs.
He was also the teams defensive anchor and had better intangibles.
Myself and many others believe he was the best player for LA in the 2010 Playoffs.

Go Away now Pathetic Kobe Stan. :lol

[JMT]

I doubt he was a far better rebounder then the other Bigmen on the list to the point where it would make a legitimate difference in these sort of comparisons.

You don't have to doubt it. The numbers are pretty clear cut that he was far and away a more prolific rebounder than anyone on your list with the possible exception of Wilt.

[Vienceslav]

How rude of me to post here without thanking the OP for organizing this and taking the time to count all the votes.
So here i go , thank you OP. :cheers:

[32Dayz]

You don't have to doubt it. The numbers are pretty clear cut that he was far and away a more prolific rebounder than anyone on your list with the possible exception of Wilt.

If you adjust for pace his Career RBD% would be around 20% which although would probably be the best of this Era it would only be slightly better then the other bigmen on my list who are ahead of him.

You dont really believe he'd average over 20+ RPG in this Era do you?

[Deuce Bigalow]

:applause:

Gasol was better then Kobe in 2/4 Series and 12/23 Games in the 2010 Playoffs.
He was also the teams defensive anchor and had better intangibles.
Myself and many others believe he was the best player for LA in the 2010 Playoffs.

Go Away now Pathetic Kobe Stan. :lol

http://www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/lol/grand/857421.gif

[32Dayz]

http://www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/lol/grand/857421.gif

We are laughing at you not with you.

So is the guy in your funny GIF.

:applause:

It's funny how you follow me around though.
Your like my little lapdog.

[Deuce Bigalow]

We are laughing at you not with you.

So is the guy in your funny GIF.

:applause:

It's funny how you follow me around though.
Your like my little lapdog.

You're a great comedian, I chuckle from your posts

[32Dayz]

You're a great comedian, I chuckle from your posts

Whatever man.

If you were even the slightest bit objective you'd know that the difference between Gasol and Kobe in 2010 wasn't very big.

I am not arrogant enough to say im for sure 100% correct in my opinions but you certainly are.

I dont see whats wrong with us having a different opinion on something.

[blablabla]

...
i meant that charles is 11 or 12

[Deuce Bigalow]

Whatever man.

If you were even the slightest bit objective you'd know that the difference between Gasol and Kobe in 2010 wasn't very big.

I am not arrogant enough to say im for sure 100% correct in my opinions but you certainly are.

I dont see whats wrong with us having a different opinion on something.

1st Round VS OKC.

G6.
Gasol : 9 / 18 / 3 / 2BPG | 36% shooting
Kobe : 32 / 7 / 3 | 48% shooting
Win
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

2nd Round VS Utah.

G3.
Gasol : 14 / 17 (7 0ffensive) / 3 / 2BPG | 50% shooting
Kobe : 35 / 4 / 7 | 54% shooting
Win
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Conference Finals VS Phoenix.

G4.
Gasol : 15 / 5 / 3 / 4BPG | 43% shooting
Kobe : 38 / 7 / 10 | 68% shooting
Win

G6.
Gasol : 9 / 7 / 2 | 22% shooting
Kobe : 37 / 6 / 2 | 48% shooting
Win
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Finalz VS Boston.

G3.
Gasol : 13 / 10 / 4 / 2BPG | 46% shooting
Kobe : 29 / 7 / 4 | 34% shooting
Win

G5.
Gasol : 12 / 12 (7 0ffensive) | 42% shooting
Kobe : 38 / 5 / 4 | 48% shooting
Loss

[32Dayz]

Why do you just highlight the games Kobe was better in and ignore the ones Gasol was better in?

Dont you see the ignorance in doing that?

Especially in a series like OKC where Gasol was clearly better in the majority of the 6 games.

Round 1 = Gasol Better
Round 2 = Equal
Round 3 = Kobe Better

I could go back and post the 10-12 Games where Gasol was better then Kobe but I have a life and I am going out now.

[talkingconch]

1. Jordan
2. Shaq
3. Kareem
4. Wilt
5. Duncan
6. Magic
7. Bird
8. Hakeem
9. Russell
10. Oscar/KG/Kobe

My List based on Playoff Production, Longevity and Intangibles.
(The way "Individual" Players should be judged.)

LoL @ Shaq being out of the top 5.
LoL @ Wilt over Shaq.

Thanks for mocking that post RRR I was gonna do it but you basically summed up what I was gonna say.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

:facepalm

[32Dayz]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

:facepalm

Whats funny?

If you remove Team Earned Accolades KG and Kobe are very close, so is Oscar.

Give KG or Oscar Prime Shaq for 8+ Years and Gasol/Stacked Cast + Phil Jackson and I am pretty sure he'll have a similar number of Rings.

[WillC]

Actually they all beat him in Playoff Production by a pretty large margin and some of them have better intangibles.

There isn't a player in NBA history with better intangibles than Bill Russell.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Why do you just highlight the games Kobe was better in and ignore the ones Gasol was better in?

Dont you see the ignorance in doing that?

Especially in a series like OKC where Gasol was clearly better in the majority of the 6 games.

Gasol was only better in games where the Lakers were blowing out there opponent
for example, games 4-5 vs OKC were blowouts
one or some of the Utah games were blowouts
game 6 of the Finals was a blowout
and thats basically it, and a game or two from just Kobe having an off night
See if you watched the games like I have you would known the context, the games which were blowouts or not

And Kobe played MUCH better after the OKC series when he got his knee drained, numbers after the OKC series:
31.2 PPG, 6.7 RPG, 5.9 APG, 1.4 SPG, .471 FG%

lol at Gasol being near that, those are numbers of a top 10 player of alltime

You can change the retarded ways of yourself and start riding the long bus if you can smarten up :cheers:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Good job to all the people who voted (in a non-agenda matter)

[32Dayz]

Your just being biased.

Gasol was the best player in the OKC Series and Equally as good in the Utah series.
If not for his play in those series the Lakers dont advance in either series.

Gasol was also better in the 4 Finalz wins most of which were very close games.
Kobe shot an abysmal 37% in the 4 Finalz wins.

Your world is viewed through Kobe colored glasses so you choose to ignore these facts.

:facepalm

How Kobe is "clearly" better then Gasol when he was worse in Round 1, Equal in Round 2 and (imo) worse in the Finalz is beyond me.

1st Round VS OKC.

G1.
Gasol : 19 / 13 / 3 / 3BPG | 50% shooting
Kobe : 21 / 2 / 3 | 31% shooting
G1 = Gasol > Kobe

G2.
Gasol : 25 / 12 (5 0ffensive) / 2 | 57% shooting
Kobe : 39 / 5 / 1 | 42% shooting
G2 = Gasol > Kobe

G3.
Gasol : 17 / 15 / 6 / 2BPG | 58% shooting
Kobe : 24 / 4 / 8 | 34% shooting
G3 = Gasol > Kobe

G5.
Gasol : 25 / 11 / 5 | 63% shooting
Kobe : 13 / 3 / 7 | 44% shooting
G5 = Gasol > Kobe

2nd Round VS Utah.

G1.
Gasol : 25 / 12 / 4 / 5BPG | 60% shooting
Kobe : 31 / 3 / 4 | 63% shooting
G1 = Gasol > Kobe

G2.
Gasol : 22 / 15 (5 0ffensive) / 2 / 2BPG | 64% shooting
Kobe : 30 / 5 / 8 | 45% shooting
G2 = Gasol > Kobe

G4.
Gasol : 33 / 14 (7 0ffensive) / 2 / 2BPG | 67% shooting
Kobe : 32 / 3 / 4 | 47% shooting
G4 = Gasol > Kobe

Conference Finals VS Phoenix.

G2.
Gasol : 29 / 9 / 5 / 2BPG | 58% shooting
Kobe : 21 / 5 / 13 | 42% shooting
G2 = Gasol > Kobe

Finalz VS Boston.

Turnovers.
Kobe : 28
Gasol : 13

G1.
Gasol : 23 / 14 (8 0ffensive) / 3 / 3BPG | 57% shooting
Kobe : 30 / 7 / 6 | 45% shooting
G1 = Gasol > Kobe

G2.
Gasol : 25 / 8 / 3 / 6BPG | 70% shooting
Kobe : 21 / 5 / 6 | 40% shooting
G2 = Gasol > Kobe

G6.
Gasol : 17 / 13 (5 0ffensive) / 9 / 3BPG | 44% shooting
Kobe : 26 / 11 / 3 | 47% shooting
G6 = Gasol > Kobe

G7.
Gasol : 19 / 18 (9 offensive) / 4 / 2BPG | 38% shooting
Kobe : 23 / 15 / 2 | 25% shooting
G7 = Gasol > Kobe

[Math2]

Whats funny?

If you remove Team Earned Accolades KG and Kobe are very close, so is Oscar.

Give KG or Oscar Prime Shaq for 8+ Years and Gasol/Stacked Cast + Phil Jackson and I am pretty sure he'll have a similar number of Rings.

Team accolades have no impact? lol

[AK47DR91]

LeBron is now at #13.

One more ring and a Finals MVP, he's easily at #9. :cheers:

[pauk]

#1: Michael Jordan (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=237455)
#2: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=237815)
#3: Bill Russell (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=237918)
#4: Magic Johnson (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238016)
#5: Wilt Chamberlain (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238103)
#6: Larry Bird (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238181)
#7: Shaquille O'Neal (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238203)
#8: Tim Duncan (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238309)
#9: Hakeem Olajuwon (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238385)
#10: Kobe Bryant (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238486)
#11: Jerry West (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238569)
#12: Oscar Robertson (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238681)
#13: Moses Malone (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238749)
#14: Julius Erving (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238814)
#15: Charles Barkley (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238859)
#16: Karl Malone (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238954)
#17: Kevin Garnett (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239053)
#18: Dirk Nowitzki (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239130)
#19: David Robinson (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239207)
#20: Elgin Baylor (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239287)
#21: Isiah Thomas (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239340)
#22: Bob Pettit (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239420)
#23: John Havlicek (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239502)
#24: George Mikan (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239593)
#25: Scottie Pippen (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239645)

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[bmd]

Why would the list have a player like dirk but not have LeBron?

[Freedom Kid7]

Why would the list have a player like dirk but not have LeBron?
This was done a year ago before LeBron got his ring and after Dirk beat LeBron.

[KG215]

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While I probably would've voted for LeBron in the 20-25 range last year, even after he had lost in the Finals, let's not act like it was some huge travesty he wasn't in the top 25 at the time. Do this again now, and he'd be somewhere in the 11-20 range.

[Dictator]

Bad Job Good Effort

[Deuce Bigalow]

I would like to do it again, this time go further than 25. But it is L.Kizzle's idea that he thought of in 2007 (At the time I made this I didn't know this since I couldn't find his top 100 thread on the search feature at the time)

[Kews1]

Do ittttttttttttt

[pauk]

Im aware its old, im just kidding around, would like a re-vote as Lebron has taken a huge leap up.. :cheers:


While I probably would've voted for LeBron in the 20-25 range last year, even after he had lost in the Finals, let's not act like it was some huge travesty he wasn't in the top 25 at the time. Do this again now, and he'd be somewhere in the 11-20 range.

Lebron and Moses belong at 11/12 behind Hakeem... 12 (behind Moses) is as far you can with ridicilously good debate take Lebron back right now, 13 maybe if you think Oscar Robertsons triple double average season is enough to overcome all those mvps, fmvp and so on which Lebron (and Moses) have over him...

Award:.........................Moses.............. ...Lebron.........
MVP................................3.............. ..........3.............
FMVP...............................1.............. ..........1............
CHAMP.............................1............... .........1 (a greater championship run mind you)
ROTY..............................No.............. ........Yes.............
DPOY..............................No.............. ........No.............
1st All-NBA.......................4....................... .6..............
1st All-Def........................1...................... ..4..............
NBA All-Star.....................12....................... 8..............
All-Star MVP......................0........................ 2..............
Olympic Gold.....................0........................ 2..............
POTM................................4............. ..........20............
Was best in the NBA?.......Never....................Yes........... .

He belongs there right next to Moses, nowhere else... if you feel like knocking Lebron out of your #11-#12 spot then make sure Moses is right next to him :P

[Sarcastic]

Im aware its old, im just kidding around, would like a re-vote as Lebron has taken a huge leap up.. :cheers:



Lebron and Moses belong at 11/12 behind Hakeem... 12 (behind Moses) is as far you can with ridicilously good debate take Lebron back right now, 13 maybe if you think Oscar Robertsons triple double average season is enough to overcome all those mvps, fmvp and so on which Lebron (and Moses) have over him...

Award:.........................Moses.............. ...Lebron.........
MVP................................3.............. ..........3.............
FMVP...............................1.............. ..........1............
CHAMP.............................1............... .........1 (a greater championship run mind you)
ROTY..............................No.............. ........Yes.............
DPOY..............................No.............. ........No.............
1st All-NBA.......................4....................... .6..............
1st All-Def........................1...................... ..4..............
NBA All-Star.....................12....................... 8..............
All-Star MVP......................0........................ 2..............
Olympic Gold.....................0........................ 2..............
POTM................................4............. ..........20............
Was best in the NBA?.......Never....................Yes........... .

He belongs there right next to Moses, nowhere else... if you feel like knocking Lebron out of your #11-#12 spot then make sure Moses is right next to him :P

Putting POTM is bullshit on your part. That award shouldn't be used when comparing players, since they used to only give out 1 per month, as opposed to now when they put out 2 per month (1 for each conference).

[FreezingTsmoove]

Putting POTM is bullshit on your part. That award shouldn't be used when comparing players, since they used to only give out 1 per month, as opposed to now when they put out 2 per month (1 for each conference).

Lebron was always the better player between the east west months though

[Legends66NBA7]

Was best in the NBA?.......Never

1983, at least.