Shaq: Lebron can't shoot like Kobe can [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

Extempo

11-20-2011, 10:58 AM

But when it comes to Bryant's talent, Shaq is just like everyone else who admires the Black Mamba's basketball abilities -- so much so that he says he considers the Lakers star to the the best NBA player.

"Kobe is a scientific dawg," O'Neal wrote. "He works out every day, practices every day. Most of the other stars are just dawgs, not scientific dawgs. Kobe will always have the edge because of his range and killer instinct. LeBron has the killer instinct, but he can't shoot like Kobe can."

http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2011/11/shaquille-oneal-kobe-bryant.html
WTF? I think Shaq got the two mixed up. It is a well-known fact that Lebron has no killer instinct. At least people used to think he can shoot. But after seeing the 2011 NBA Finals, I guess even that perception is gone :oldlol:

Chrono90

11-20-2011, 11:05 AM

WTF? I think Shaq got the two mixed up. It is a well-known fact that Lebron has no killer instinct. At least people used to think he can shoot. But after seeing the 2011 NBA Finals, I guess even that perception is gone :oldlol:

I just Lebron has some killer instinct but just not as much as kobe's. Lebron did some damage in the other series. But bottom line is Kobe has a better jump shot and Kobe is the harder worker. Bottom line is a jumper will outlast athleticism.

WADE MONEY

11-20-2011, 11:05 AM

In other news, Dwight Howard can jump higher than Steve Nash.

D-Wade316

11-20-2011, 11:11 AM

"scientific dawg" :lol

R.I.P.

11-20-2011, 11:31 AM

Shaq will make Charles look like a basketball Professor.

Bandito

11-20-2011, 11:38 AM

In before Brontards come complaining like always...

donald_trump

11-20-2011, 11:54 AM

In before Brontards come complaining like always...

lol at brontards

a kobe fan doing what his hero kobe does best. emulate and copy others. :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

AI3Anthony

11-20-2011, 11:57 AM

Here we go again..

At least he was right this time.

Heavincent

11-20-2011, 12:05 PM

Well it's the truth. Kobe is a better shooter than Lebron.

pauk

11-20-2011, 12:22 PM

WTF? I think Shaq got the two mixed up. It is a well-known fact that Kobe has no killer instinct and is NOT a better shooter than Lebron, except for freethrows somewhat. At least people used to think he can shoot. But after seeing the 2011 NBA playoffs 1st/2nd round getting swept, I guess even that perception is gone :oldlol:

fixed

pauk

11-20-2011, 12:23 PM

Well it's the truth. Kobe is a better shooter than Lebron.

its only a myth considering the nature of kobe being a shotjacker/chucker doing nothing but taking illadvised jumpshots....

kobe is in reality not significantly better than Lebron in ANY department of shooting, except freethrows.....

DMV2

11-20-2011, 12:44 PM

its only a myth considering the nature of kobe being a shotjacker/chucker doing nothing but taking illadvised jumpshots....

kobe is in reality not significantly better than Lebron in ANY department of shooting, except freethrows.....
In terms if range, like mid/long range, Kobe even exceeds Jordan in that department.

LeBron's a streaky shooter when it comes to his mid-range and long-range shooting. But overall, he's not that good. He'll stop shooting to protect his FG% though if he shots are going in.

HylianNightmare

11-20-2011, 01:50 PM

well duh

305Baller

11-20-2011, 02:22 PM

In other news, Dwight Howard can jump higher than Steve Nash.

this.

rodman91

11-20-2011, 02:29 PM

http://www.toonpool.com/user/4265/files/captain_obvious_1483395.jpg

RRR3

11-20-2011, 02:36 PM

http://eharmony-blog.com/wp-content/images/397aac0c973a4aa1d673e5e5a6996226.jpg

JohnnyWall

11-20-2011, 03:11 PM

its only a myth considering the nature of kobe being a shotjacker/chucker doing nothing but taking illadvised jumpshots....

kobe is in reality not significantly better than Lebron in ANY department of shooting, except freethrows.....

See, this is how we know which users are irrational LeBron stans and which are legit fans. Users like RRR3 are willing to recognize the aspects of the game that Kobe is unquestionably better than LeBron at (shooting, footwork), but users like pauk refuses to concede anything. It's like Kobe fans says he's better at defending or more athletic than LeBron.

Kurosawa0

11-20-2011, 03:20 PM

Over the course of their careers, Kobe's the better shooter. Right now I'd say they're about equal. It's not like either of them is Ray Allen or anything.

L8k3r5

11-20-2011, 03:22 PM

KingLeBronJames

11-20-2011, 03:27 PM

lol at brontards

a kobe fan doing what his hero kobe does best. emulate and copy others.:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
I don't see what's wrong with Kobe using moves from other players. Other players do it all the time.

Bandito

11-20-2011, 03:40 PM

lol at brontards

a kobe fan doing what his hero kobe does best. emulate and copy others. :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
And here is the first one. Go back to the kitchen and make me a sandwich.

Micku

11-20-2011, 11:44 PM

LeBron James is a better shooter now than he has ever been. He is a pretty solid shooter, and is very good above the 16-23 mark, better than Kobe.

It just that Kobe is the better all around shooter.

The_Yearning

11-20-2011, 11:48 PM

What Shaq was really trying to say is that Kobe is just on another level.

He's saying Lebron has the killer instinct too (meaning he wants to be like Kobe) but he can't shoot like Kobe (meaning he just can't do what Kobe do, it's not a mentality issue, but a skill issue).

jamal99

11-21-2011, 12:02 AM

In other news, Dwight Howard can jump higher than Steve Nash.
Well, Nash actually had better vert than Dwight (pre-draft) when he entered the league...

pauk

11-21-2011, 12:17 AM

See, this is how we know which users are irrational LeBron stans and which are legit fans. Users like RRR3 are willing to recognize the aspects of the game that Kobe is unquestionably better than LeBron at (shooting, footwork), but users like pauk refuses to concede anything. It's like Kobe fans says he's better at defending or more athletic than LeBron.

to much bullshit from your mouth imo... is that how you retaliate? by calling anyhing you dont like irrational and anybody you dont like as psycho stans / homers? :facepalm

im sorry mister... but i go ONLY by facts... go back to ANY of my posts you will see NOTHING was irrational.... why? because i use only facts....

what facts show is that:

1. lebron & kobe had similar accuracy from midrange (lebron was actually more accurate there last year) and longrange past few years... there is no significant difference today... the only significant difference was from 2003-04 to 2008-09 where Kobe was CLEARLY a more accurate midrange shooter... today? there is no significant difference at all... Lebron has improved there every year since his rookie year... source: NBA.com stats cube... which unfortunately is down right now

2. kobe is a better freethrow shooter... that you dont need any source for..

Ray Allen... Dirk Nowitzki... Steve Nash and so on.... THOSE are players who --->CLEARLY<--- are better shooters... from anywhere... but Kobe & Lebron ? No... i am not saying and i never said lebron is a better shooter.... all im saying is that none of them sepparate from eachother in that department unless you factor in freethrow shooting aswell....

The Iron Fist

11-21-2011, 12:17 AM

Over the course of their careers, Kobe's the better shooter. Right now I'd say they're about equal. It's not like either of them is Ray Allen or anything.

Ray Allen career fg% .452
Kobe Bryant career fg% .454

JGXEN

11-21-2011, 12:35 AM

305Baller

11-21-2011, 12:55 AM

Well, Nash actually had better vert than Dwight (pre-draft) when he entered the league...

well also including the height, not vert numbers. but yeah i see what you did there.

Dave3

11-21-2011, 01:26 AM

Ray Allen career fg% .452
Kobe Bryant career fg% .454
LeBron career fg% 48%....

FG% is shooting ability now? :facepalm

pauk

11-21-2011, 02:57 AM

I can't believe Pauk actually believes that LeBron's shooting ability is better than Kobe's. Jesus christ, do you jack off to LBJ highlights every night before you sleep or you wake up and pray to a LBJ poster on your wall?

and i cant believe you said that.... considering i didnt say it anywhere here... :facepalm

look all im saying is that kobe is not better and lebron is not better either... TODAY they are equal from midrange (lebron shot actually a bit better there last season) and Lebron is also microscopically better at longrange (as in lebron shooting 1% better from longrange the last 2 seasons).... there is no significant difference... as lets say Dirk/Nash vs Lebron/kobe in the shooting department.... they dont CLEARLY sepparate themselves from eachother in that department... there is no big gap as once again lets say Nash vs Lebron/Kobe...

my point is... to say that Lebron is a better shooter is wrong and to say that Kobe is a better shooter TODAY is wrong aswell... unless you factor in freethrow shooting, thats really only where Kobe will shoot better than Lebron..

Tha Catalyst

11-21-2011, 03:23 AM

and i cant believe you said that.... considering i didnt say it anywhere here... :facepalm

look all im saying is that kobe is not better and lebron is not better either... TODAY they are equal from midrange (lebron shot actually a bit better there last season) and Lebron is also microscopically better at longrange (as in lebron shooting 1% better from longrange the last 2 seasons).... there is no significant difference... as lets say Dirk/Nash vs Lebron/kobe in the shooting department.... they dont CLEARLY sepparate themselves from eachother in that department... there is no big gap as once again lets say Nash vs Lebron/Kobe...

my point is... to say that Lebron is a better shooter is wrong and to say that Kobe is a better shooter TODAY is wrong aswell... unless you factor in freethrow shooting, thats really only where Kobe will shoot better than Lebron..
Too stupid to consider that players are defending old, slower Kobe for his shot and younger, quicker Lebron more for his drive? Lebron will usually have more space to get the shot off under less pressure because they can't play right up on him due to his ability to get to the basket. I can't believe the intelligence level of this forum, it's unbelievable.

kNIOKAS

11-21-2011, 04:06 AM

Too stupid to consider that players are defending old, slower Kobe for his shot and younger, quicker Lebron more for his drive? Lebron will usually have more space to get the shot off under less pressure because they can't play right up on him due to his ability to get to the basket. I can't believe the intelligence level of this forum, it's unbelievable.
Oh wow man. :rolleyes:

Tha Catalyst

11-21-2011, 07:06 AM

Oh wow man. :rolleyes:
I'm confused about what I said that shocked you? You're arguing that different players are defended in different ways?

greensborohill

11-21-2011, 09:18 AM

What will seperate Kobe & Michael from LeBron & Wade is their jumpshots. It really does feel like James and, to a lesser extent, Wade are content in the offseason to not work dilgently on their jumpshots. This is my opinion based on their multitude of personal appearances and commericals.

At crunch time the whistles are put away (except in the 2006 NBA Finals) and defenses pack the paint making it of paramount importance to have a reliable jumper or post moves. LBJ has neither, Wade in 2006 had freethrows but has not seen the same postseason success since until 2011. We'll see how things play out for them going forward.

32Dayz

11-21-2011, 09:22 AM

Wade has had a very good and accurate Mid-Range J for awhile now and it only gets better (imo) once the playoffs start.

The fact that you basically say Wade won in 2006 because of FT's even though he absolutely torched the Mav's with Mid-Range Jumpers in the same series shows that you either dont watch Wade play or your biased against him.

Wouldn't be surprised if its the latter since your a Mav's/Dirk fan apparently.

greensborohill

11-21-2011, 09:24 AM

32Dayz

11-21-2011, 09:29 AM

FG's Made (Not FT's) (2006 Finalz) DWade.

G1 : 11 (L)
G2 : 6 (L)
G3 : 14 (W)
G4 : 13 (W)
G5 : 11 (W)
G6 : 10 (W)

25 PPG in the 4 Wins on FG's.

Now back to the topic. :applause:

coin24

11-21-2011, 09:49 AM

I dont understand why some people take such offense to topics like these:confusedshrug:

No one in there right mind can argue Lebrons shot is better than Kobes. I take into account footwork, post moves, ability to get a shot off whenever he wants. (yes cue the often and shot jacker comments!)

Lebron is obviously more athletic and most of the time a better defender. As the last seasons finals and even playoffs proved, Lebrons lack of post moves and reliable jump shot hurts his team. When he cant blow past Pierce anymore, whether its extra weight, injury whatever, its time to lock yourself in the gym and work on your jumpshot/post moves...

Im not a Lebron hater, I love watching him play, but if he wants to be the king and win a ring he better work on a few things. Also I agree on Wades jumper becoming better in the playoffs, always seems that way.

32Dayz

11-21-2011, 09:51 AM

Vienceslav

11-21-2011, 09:59 AM

Next up:
Kobe has more rings than LeBron.
Kobe had Shaq.
LeBron is a choke.
Kobe is a rapist.
LeBrick.
Kobetard.
Gasol 2010 FMVP.
:banana:

32Dayz

11-21-2011, 10:00 AM

Gasol 2010 FMVP.
:banana:

:applause:

knightfall88

11-21-2011, 10:01 AM

Agree with you coin but I dont think Lebron has a "bad Jumpshot" Kobe's is just better.

Lebron has obviously worked on his shot over the years and its gotten much better especially from Mid-Range.

Sometimes you just have bad games, or a bad series it happens.

Kobe has gone through the same thing in many playoff series before.

Name 5 All Star Non Bigs that Lebron has a better jumpshot then...

I'll start you off: Rondo, Rose, Westbrook.... lol congrats Lebron, better than 3 guys who barely started their careers

32Dayz

11-21-2011, 10:03 AM

Name me Five Wing Players with Jumpers significantly better then Lebrons.

1. Kobe
2. Durant...
3. ?

greensborohill

11-21-2011, 10:09 AM

FG's Made (Not FT's) (2006 Finalz) DWade.

G1 : 11 (L)
G2 : 6 (L)
G3 : 14 (W)
G4 : 13 (W)
G5 : 11 (W)
G6 : 10 (W)

25 PPG in the 4 Wins on FG's.

Now back to the topic. :applause:

It's not my fault Wade is a terrible FT shooter. Dont get mad b/c the 06 Finals were a farse and Wade's ring is fake.

32Dayz

11-21-2011, 10:12 AM

It's not my fault Wade is a terrible FT shooter. Dont get mad b/c the 06 Finals were a farse and Wade's ring is fake.

lol the Mav's had countless opportunitys to win in 2006 they just choked and they choked HARD.

Get over it man.

Wade averaged 25ppg on FG's aka more then 75% of his points so quit acting like the Ref's were the reason your team lost.

greensborohill

11-21-2011, 10:14 AM

lol the Mav's had countless opportunitys to win in 2006 they just choked and they choked HARD.

Get over it man.

Wade averaged 25ppg on FG's aka more then 75% of his points so quit acting like the Ref's were the reason your team lost.

FIX

18, 25, 21

MOV: 2, 1, 3

Wade = Fake Champion

guy

11-21-2011, 10:20 AM

Kobe definitely has a greater killer instinct but its still incredibly overrated.

D-Wade316

11-21-2011, 10:41 AM

FIX

18, 25, 21

MOV: 2, 1, 3

Wade = Fake Champion
:oldlol: 39.0fg% in the entire series. Choked a 13 point lead that would have pushed Dallas ahead of Miami by 3 games.

Wade in the last 4 games: 39ppg

greensborohill

11-21-2011, 10:49 AM

:oldlol: 39.0fg% in the entire series. Choked a 13 point lead that would have pushed Dallas ahead of Miami by 3 games.

Wade in the last 4 games: 39ppg

If you feel okay with your fake title then good for you 'bro. I know I feel good about 2011.

Wade wasn't the leader he was supposed to be in the 4th quarter, and that's why he cost his team the game.

LOL, Dirk averaging the same amount of 4th quarter points as LBJ & Wade combined. LOL, Wade w/ 17 points in game 6. LOL, dribbling balls off his leg and having JET steal from him, LOL, almost losing the ball on last possesion of game 4, LOL, holds eye with one hand, makes gesture to ref w/ other hand after missing last shot of game 2 "Is this real life?", LOL, carted off in wheel chair with shoulder injury, LOL being petrie dish of various STD's b/c cant keep d!ck in pants.

RRR3

11-21-2011, 10:57 AM

Queensboroshill,
Remind me why you're still butthurt about the 06 finals even though you got your "revenge" this past year? Grow up.

pegasus

11-21-2011, 11:25 AM

Queensboroshill,
Remind me why you're still butthurt about the 06 finals even though you got your "revenge" this past year? Grow up.

Well, still, Dallas should have won that series, too. If it weren't for the refs, Nowitzki would have been in the top-10 discussion right now.

RRR3

11-21-2011, 12:04 PM

Well, still, Dallas should have won that series, too. If it weren't for the refs, Nowitzki would have been in the top-10 discussion right now.
Dirk is top 10 in the NBA and has been for a while what are you talking about?:confusedshrug:

PJR

11-21-2011, 12:16 PM

greensborohill

11-21-2011, 12:28 PM

Referees had little to do with the outcome of the 2006 Finals. Wade derserved the vast majority of his foul shots with the strategy the Mavs were using defensively. It's revisionist history at its best. Case closed.

Sorry,

Not when Bill Simmons, Tracy McGrady, Phil Jackson, & countless others agree that reffing was one-sided.

ANetsVinSanity15

11-21-2011, 12:34 PM

If people are saying LeBron isin't clutch because of the 2011 finals series shouldnt they say the same about Kobe after being swepted by the Mavs?

That's the logic some of you are using

D-Wade316

11-21-2011, 12:51 PM

If you feel okay with your fake title then good for you 'bro. I know I feel good about 2011.

Wade wasn't the leader he was supposed to be in the 4th quarter, and that's why he cost his team the game.

LOL, Dirk averaging the same amount of 4th quarter points as LBJ & Wade combined. LOL, Wade w/ 17 points in game 6. LOL, dribbling balls off his leg and having JET steal from him, LOL, almost losing the ball on last possesion of game 4, LOL, holds eye with one hand, makes gesture to ref w/ other hand after missing last shot of game 2 "Is this real life?", LOL, carted off in wheel chair with shoulder injury, LOL being petrie dish of various STD's b/c cant keep d!ck in pants.
:oldlol: Thanks to Terry, Barea, Marion, Kidd, and Chandler all stepping up. Without them carrying Dirk in the first 3 quarters, then he wouldn't have won shit. LOL @ fourth quarter. As if the first 3 quarters doesn't matter. A missed shot in the first quarter would have caused a defeat for the Mavs. LOL @ fake champion. 39ppg, and 52fg% in the last 4 games.

D-Wade316

11-21-2011, 12:51 PM

Sorry,

Not win Bill Simmons, Tracy McGrady, Phil Jackson, & countless others agree that reffing was one-sided.
:oldlol: As if their opinion matter. They jelly.

greensborohill

11-21-2011, 01:30 PM

:oldlol: As if their opinion matter. They jelly.

And yours does? Right. . . . :blah

D-Wade316

11-21-2011, 01:35 PM

And yours does? Right. . . . :blah
LOL. Ask yourself that question, not me. You're the one who questions Wade's performance. LOL

D.J.

11-21-2011, 01:36 PM

Kobe will always have the edge because of his range and killer instinct. LeBron has the killer instinct, but he can't shoot like Kobe can."

LeBron doesn't have either, Shaq.

pegasus

11-21-2011, 01:57 PM

Dirk is top 10 in the NBA and has been for a while what are you talking about?:confusedshrug:

Idiot, he's probably the best at the moment. I'm talking about the all-time greats.:facepalm

32Dayz

11-21-2011, 01:59 PM

Idiot, he's probably the best at the moment. I'm talking about the all-time greats.:facepalm

Guess Kobe fall's out of your top 10 then. :eek:

Simple Jack

11-21-2011, 02:14 PM

its only a myth considering the nature of kobe being a shotjacker/chucker doing nothing but taking illadvised jumpshots....

kobe is in reality not significantly better than Lebron in ANY department of shooting, except freethrows.....

I'm a fan of LeBron just as much as the next guy but you can't seriously believe yourself. Kobe is most certainly a better shooter than LeBron in terms of abilities. LeBron has the advantage of less pressure from D on his jumper because they are scared he will beat them off the dribble. Kobe doesn't have this luxury as much anymore; the D each sees on their jumpers is very different.

Smoke117

11-21-2011, 02:17 PM

In other news, Dwight Howard can jump higher than Steve Nash.

Seriously. Way to state the obvious Shaq. Kobe is a better shooter than Lebron! Really!? Thank you for informing the world of this mystery, Shaq. What would we do without you and your infinite knowledge and wisdom?

RRR3

11-21-2011, 02:44 PM

Idiot, he's probably the best at the moment. I'm talking about the all-time greats.:facepalm

First of all, he's not the best player in the NBA at the moment. Sure he had the most successful year, but there is no way he is actually the best in terms of just how good of a player he is. At best he's 4th, between LBJ/D12/DWade (one of those 3 is the best, take your pick depending on what you value most). And LOL @ Dirk being close to top all-time. Are you insane? :roll: :roll: :roll: Dirk is questionably top 20...top 10 :roll: :roll: :roll:

AlexanderRight

11-21-2011, 02:47 PM

lol the Mav's had countless opportunitys to win in 2006 they just choked and they choked HARD.

Get over it man.

Wade averaged 25ppg on FG's aka more then 75% of his points so quit acting like the Ref's were the reason your team lost.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/Mugshot_of_Tim_Donaghy.jpg

pegasus

11-21-2011, 02:55 PM

Guess Kobe fall's out of your top 10 then. :eek:

I said that if had won two by now, he would have been in the top-10 discussion. Either way, Kobe would have ended his career ahead of him, so don't you worry about that.

RRR3

11-21-2011, 02:55 PM

BTW Pegasus, who's your top 10 all-time?

This should be good. :lol

pegasus

11-21-2011, 03:01 PM

First of all, he's not the best player in the NBA at the moment. Sure he had the most successful year, but there is no way he is actually the best in terms of just how good of a player he is. At best he's 4th, between LBJ/D12/DWade (one of those 3 is the best, take your pick depending on what you value most). And LOL @ Dirk being close to top all-time. Are you insane? :roll: :roll: :roll: Dirk is questionably top 20...top 10 :roll: :roll: :roll:

Had he won in 2006 like he deserved to, he would have definitely been in the top-10 discussion, meaning he would be considered.

Some people would have placed him at somewhere between 10 and 15, but some people would have had him at 10 probably. What's wrong with that?

pegasus

11-21-2011, 03:11 PM

BTW Pegasus, who's your top 10 all-time?

This should be good. :lol

1- MJ
2- KAJ
3- Magic
4- Russell
5- Bird
6- Chamberlain
7- Kobe
8- Shaq
9- Duncan
10- Hakeem
11- Your mama

32Dayz

11-21-2011, 03:12 PM

1- MJ
2- KAJ
3- Magic
4- Russell
5- Bird
6- Chamberlain
7- Kobe
8- Shaq
9- Duncan
10- Hakeem
11- Your mama

:oldlol:

RRR3

11-21-2011, 03:13 PM

1- MJ
2- KAJ
3- Magic
4- Russell
5- Bird
6- Chamberlain
7- Kobe
8- Shaq
9- Duncan
10- Hakeem
11- Your mama

Surprisingly un-horrible, but Wilt is too low and Kobe is too high. Regardless, who the hell are you going to remove from that list then Dirk (assuming Dirk has two rings)? You can't IMO, everyone on that list were simply players on another level than Dirk.

pegasus

11-21-2011, 03:19 PM

Hakeem would have been his first victim. Plus, he is not done with his career.

RRR3

11-21-2011, 03:21 PM

Hakeem would have been his first victim. Plus, he is not done with his career.
Bullshit. He's nowhere near Hakeem and never will be.

pegasus

11-21-2011, 03:23 PM

Bullshit. He's nowhere near Hakeem and never will be.

It was nice attempting to have a decent conversation with you, while it lasted.

Now go back to playing on a busy street with your eyes closed.

32Dayz

11-21-2011, 03:23 PM

Better List.

1. Jordan
2. Shaq
3. Kareem
4. Wilt
5. Duncan
6. Magic
7. Bird
8. Hakeem
9. Bill Russell
10. Oscar / Kobe / KG / Malone (x2) / Dr. J

Just a Rough-Draft so far I am only truly certain about the Top 3.

RRR3

11-21-2011, 03:24 PM

Better List.

1. Jordan
2. Shaq
3. Kareem
4. Wilt
5. Duncan
6. Magic
7. Bird
8. Hakeem
9. Bill Russell
10. Oscar / Kobe / KG / Malone (x2) / Dr. J
Your list is worse.

pegasus

11-21-2011, 03:25 PM

Better List.

1. Jordan
2. Shaq
3. Kareem
4. Wilt
5. Duncan
6. Magic
7. Bird
8. Hakeem
9. Bill Russell
10. Oscar / Kobe / KG / Malone (x2) / Dr. J

Just a Rough Draft so far.

:oldlol:

See, I can be ridiculous, too.

32Dayz

11-21-2011, 03:25 PM

Your list is worse.

Why?

Because I dont underrate Shaq who is the second best playoff performer of all time?

Because I judge players based on individual production/intangibles/longevity and performances rather then team accomplishments?

RRR3

11-21-2011, 03:30 PM

Why?

Because I dont underrate Shaq who is the second best playoff performer of all time?

Because I judge players based on individual production/intangibles/longevity and performances rather then team accomplishments?

Because Shaq should NOT be above Kareem or Wilt. Because Duncan SHOULD not be 5th over Magic and Bird. Because the Malones and KG are NOT top 10, period. And you didn't even mention Jerry West but you mentioned those guys? WTF

My list if you're wondering (it changes periodically but right now it's:)
1. MJ
2. Wilt/Kareem
3. Kareem/Wilt
4. Magic
5. Bird
6. Shaq
7. Russell
8. Hakeem/TD
9. TD/Hakeem
10. Oscar/Kobe
11. Kobe/Oscar

32Dayz

11-21-2011, 03:33 PM

Because Shaq should NOT be above Kareem or Wilt. Because Duncan SHOULD not be 5th over Magic and Bird. Because the Malones and KG are NOT top 10, period. And you didn't even mention Jerry West but you mentioned those guys? WTF

Why?

Shaq was a significantly better playoff performer then Wilt especially when you factor in longevity.

Shaq had a better Prime then Bird and much better longevity while winning more.

Shaq was better then Kareem as a playoff performer over their first 5, 7, 10 and 13 years.
Kareem has a slight edge in longevity so he has an argument against Shaq but you can go either way.

Your blinded by Team Accolades and Media/Era Biased Awards like MVP that have no place in proper player Comparisons.

You also fell prey to the "Sheep Mentality" you see everyone saying a certain thing so you start to think the same way.

Shaq is the 2nd greatest player of all time.

Meticode

11-21-2011, 03:33 PM

Wow at Mr. O'Neal being Mr. Obvious.

RRR3

11-21-2011, 03:35 PM

Why?

Shaq was a better playoff performer then Wilt especially when you factor in longevity.

Shaq had a better Prime then Bird and much better longevity while winning more.

Shaq was better then Kareem as a playoff performer over their first 5, 7, 10 and 13 years.
Kareem has a slight edge in longevity so he has an argument against Shaq but you can go either way.

Your blinded by Team Accolades and Media/Era Biased Awards like MVP that have no place in proper player Comparisons.

Shaq is the 2nd greatest player of all time.

Shaq is the 2nd Greatest finals performer of all time, sure, and probably has one of the absolute best peaks in NBA history. But he's not 2nd all-time dude. Come on now. You can argue Bird I guess and maybe Magic, but at absolute best Shaq is 4th.

32Dayz

11-21-2011, 03:37 PM

Wow at Mr. O'Neal being Mr. Obvious.

Dont blow my cover. :pimp:

32Dayz

11-21-2011, 03:37 PM

Shaq is the 2nd Greatest finals performer of all time, sure, and probably has one of the absolute best peaks in NBA history. But he's not 2nd all-time dude. Come on now. You can argue Bird I guess and maybe Magic, but at absolute best Shaq is 4th.

Fair enough, I understand my views are not shared by everyone.
Your a very reasonable poster.
Lets agree to disagree. :cheers:

Doctor Rivers

11-21-2011, 04:30 PM

Fair enough, I understand my views are not shared by anyone. Your a very reasonable poster. Lets agree to disagree. :cheers:

fixed and negged

Meticode

11-21-2011, 04:43 PM

fixed and negged
I got your back.

32Dayz

11-21-2011, 05:23 PM

My Fix = Fail like my Life :rant

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm217/Allume-Le-Cirque/Sig/Kobe-U-Mad.jpg

Shaq is easily the 2nd best playoff performer ever, must piss you off how good he was. :lol

Double Negged.

32Dayz

11-21-2011, 05:29 PM

bean DA GOAT

All hail LAWD GAWDBE :bowdown:
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l3etjerGgF1qabh2go1_250.gif

cant phuck with him. u heard it 32dayz

:bowdown:

pmj

11-21-2011, 06:38 PM

Pauk,

Lebron's shooting % isn't better because Lebron is a better shooter, his % is better he makes the smart basketball play most of the time and doesn't take "hard" shots a lot.

While that's obviously a good thing most of the time, I think Kobe's "shotjacking" and his normal game translate to a last second shot better. In other words, b/c he's always taking jump shots with hands in his face, he's used to it, and you can always do a pull up or fade-away at the end of a game.

That's kind of the problem with Lebron's game in a nutshell; he's pretty good at everything, but not really comfortable with a go-to move or set of moves when he really needs it. Kobe, Pierce, Melo, Manu, etc are all comfortable with just pull up Js from practically anywhere on the court. Dirk has his fade-away obviously.

Lebron did have that nice pull up Deng in the playoffs, so he's getting better at it, but he needs to either work on that more, or post moves / fade-aways, b/c you can't always drive on a set, playoff-level defense.