Return of the Amnesty Clause!

[Venja42]

Reports are surfacing regarding the "Amnesty Clause" being included in the new CBA deal.

For those that forget, the Amnesty Clause gives teams a one time offer of releasing a player and shedding their cap figure from their salary cap.

So, which teams are going to be taking advantage of this? Obviously cap-strapped teams and perhaps clubs with new ownership groups.

So fill in the blanks here! Who is going to get the Amnesty Axe?

[NYKnicks914]

Basically Curry-proofing the NBA, the way it should be!

I love how even David Stern has been poking fun at Eddy Curry throughout the process.

When players brought up JJ Barea as an example of a valuable piece to a championship team getting only $1.8 a season, Stern replied, "I see your JJ Barea and raise you Eddy Curry." :roll:

[swi7ch]

Wizrds and Lewis?

[HylianNightmare]

rashard lewis

[DevilsAssassin]

Hawks and Joe Johnson?

Lmfao

[pete's montreux]

Gilbert Arenas?

[WhySoInsecure?]

knicks will be picking up half of those bums

[Sarcastic]

Amnestied players still get paid right?
If so, what would stop all of them from stacking together for the minimum on the Heat?

[christian1923]

Amnestied players still get paid right?
If so, what would stop all of them from stacking together for the minimum on the Heat?

pride

[Jimmy2k8]

Kobe and the Lakers?:rolleyes:

[outbreak]

I don't think Arenas will be amnestied right away (last i read they said it can be used anytime over the new CBA but only on a player who was on your roster at the time of the CBAs begining) With otis's history with Arenas i think they'll try one more year out of him. Not that i agree with that though just my thoughts.

[Kungfro]

If the Raptors were to use it, it would probably be on Kleiza.

[9512]

while we're at it.

Michael Redd and Bucks.

PS: no disrespect to Redd but damn...he got lazy after signing that contract in 2005.

[D12"Magic"]

So the Nets could get rid out Outlaw?

[miles berg]

Probably Brendan Haywood in Dallas so we have more tax money available to go after Tyson Chandler. Sounds like a $10 mill contract will really be $35,000,000 with the tax applied.

Hope its worth it.

[Dbrog]

Does anyone know what the rules are or have been in the past with the Amnesty clause. Can you use it only once per CBA? Once per season? I mean, how often can you use this thing?

[Knicksfever2010]

knicks will be picking up half of those bums

oh is isiah coming back as GM?

[pegasus]

Can they resign with the teams who amnestied them? I hope not.

[Reverend Hoops]

Joe Johnson and Hawks?

[Qwyjibo]

I think lots of people here are forgetting that the teams still have to pay the player their full contract (right?). So if you use this clause on someone like Joe Johnson, you're still paying whatever he was owed and then on top of that you have to pay whoever you replace him with.

This will only be used by good teams who have a deadweight contract player that doesn't play any minutes for them. They'll absorb the cost but help their hopes of contention by using that opened up cap space.

[Sarcastic]

Can they resign with the teams who amnestied them? I hope not.

No. Otherwise the Heat would be able to amnesty Lebron, then resign him for the minimum, and use the rest of the money on role players.

[BlueandGold]

I don't think Arenas will be amnestied right away (last i read they said it can be used anytime over the new CBA but only on a player who was on your roster at the time of the CBAs begining) With otis's history with Arenas i think they'll try one more year out of him. Not that i agree with that though just my thoughts.
You should be right, don't see how you can retroactively apply a new clause legally. All these changes are gonna take 3-5 years to kick in (after old contracts expire)

[BallsOut]

When you say one-time offer, do you mean once per season? Or once in a franchise's lifetime?

[HurricaneKid]

Kobe and the Lakers?:rolleyes:

Kobe is scheduled to be paid >30M in 3 years. They will renegotiate rather than cut him but there is a 0% chance he is worth >50% of the cap in 3 yrs.

[HurricaneKid]

while we're at it.

Michael Redd and Bucks.

PS: no disrespect to Redd but damn...he got lazy after signing that contract in 2005.

He is off the books this year. FINALLY.

[pegasus]

No. Otherwise the Heat would be able to amnesty Lebron, then resign him for the minimum, and use the rest of the money on role players.

That's the exact same scenario that made me ask the question in the first place.:lol

[WhySoInsecure?]

oh is isiah coming back as GM?
I wouldn't mind having Rashard Lewis starting at the 4 or coming off the bench for us.

[shadow]

if there are no restrictions on signing players back Lakers should work a deal with Kobe to cut him and resign him back at vet's min :D

[bagelred]

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Buh bye, sleepy face.......buh bye.

[WhySoInsecure?]

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Buh bye, sleepy face.......buh bye.
or maybe we can hold on to it till Amare goes belly up

[hawkfan]

Probably Brendan Haywood in Dallas so we have more tax money available to go after Tyson Chandler. Sounds like a $10 mill contract will really be $35,000,000 with the tax applied.

Hope its worth it.

Haywood is very tradeable. Big with some skills and contract is reasonable.

The Mavs could get a first round pick in return and a trade exception.

Would be a good pickup for the Bobcats or Hornets.

[hawkfan]

Joe Johnson and Hawks?

Marvin Williams. Get rid of him and Hinrich expires next year, Dwight Howard comes to Atlanta.

[Kurosawa0]

Amnestied players still get paid right?
If so, what would stop all of them from stacking together for the minimum on the Heat?

Miami and the Lakers will certainly be two of the most preferred destinations.

[bagelred]

or maybe we can hold on to it till Amare goes belly up

Nah......Amare's fine.

[Bird]

Probably Brendan Haywood in Dallas so we have more tax money available to go after Tyson Chandler. Sounds like a $10 mill contract will really be $35,000,000 with the tax applied.

Hope its worth it.

This should happen at midnight Dec. 9th and then an offer should be in to Chandler at 12:01.

I also would like to see them retain JJ and Caron. A healthy Caron would have helped the Mavericks a lot when the offense went quiet.

If they cannot/do not resign Caron, I wouldn't mind seeing them go after Tayshaun. I think he would be a perfect fit for the team and would prefer to see Marion come off the bench.

[NewYorkNoPicks]

Haywood is very tradeable. Big with some skills and contract is reasonable.

The Mavs could get a first round pick in return and a trade exception.

Would be a good pickup for the Bobcats or Hornets.

Haywood is tradeable?! :roll: :roll: :roll:

The Knicks had to dump Zach Randolph for a 2nd round pick and the Mavs could get a 1st from Haywood?! :facepalm

[Bird]

Haywood is tradeable?! :roll: :roll: :roll:

The Knicks had to dump Zach Randolph for a 2nd round pick and the Mavs could get a 1st from Haywood?! :facepalm

If Haywood and his ridiculous contract were "tradeable", he'd be gone already.

He and his contract are one of the least tradeable packages in the entire NBA.

He's just Erick Dampier 2.0 for Cuban.

[DMAVS41]

This should happen at midnight Dec. 9th and then an offer should be in to Chandler at 12:01.

I also would like to see them retain JJ and Caron. A healthy Caron would have helped the Mavericks a lot when the offense went quiet.

If they cannot/do not resign Caron, I wouldn't mind seeing them go after Tayshaun. I think he would be a perfect fit for the team and would prefer to see Marion come off the bench.

Its really hard. I actually think having both Chandler and Haywood is/will be really important.

I'm torn on JJ because we have roddy already. If we sign JJ...then we need to trade Roddy asap for something. No point in having them both. JJ is currently better and gives us the best chance to win....in a short season, Roddy will get limited minutes and not develop...driving his value down more.

I go back and forth, but I think I'm in favor of going after Chandler and Caron.....letting JJ walk...and seeing if Roddy can fill that void. Butler is a better player than Barea and is more valuable to our team.

Obviously without Chandler we don't have much of a chance anyway....but if we do get him....I'd rather get Butler and see what Roddy

To one of the posts above about Haywood being able to be moved. No. He's owed 35 million over the next 4 seasons. That is awful for a player of his caliber. Nobody is taking that number on most likely.

[Bird]

Its really hard. I actually think having both Chandler and Haywood is/will be really important.

I'm torn on JJ because we have roddy already. If we sign JJ...then we need to trade Roddy asap for something. No point in having them both. JJ is currently better and gives us the best chance to win....in a short season, Roddy will get limited minutes and not develop...driving his value down more.

I go back and forth, but I think I'm in favor of going after Chandler and Caron.....letting JJ walk...and seeing if Roddy can fill that void. Butler is a better player than Barea and is more valuable to our team.

Obviously without Chandler we don't have much of a chance anyway....but if we do get him....I'd rather get Butler and see what Roddy

To one of the posts above about Haywood being able to be moved. No. He's owed 35 million over the next 4 seasons. That is awful for a player of his caliber. Nobody is taking that number on most likely.

Every time I look at that trio, I think the exact same thing, Butler and Chandler are the better fit for the Mavericks needs.

In a perfect world, they keep all 3 and trade Roddy for something useful: either front court depth or a 1st rd pick.

If not, Butler and Chandler and bring someone in on the MLE on someone like Chuck Hayes (a banger off the bench) or Shannon Brown (let him back up Rudy at the 3 or let him start and Rudy comes off the bench for big 3's).

I'd much rather have some new legs in Brown at a position we could use true athleticism at then keeping 3 PG's on the roster.

That's just my opinion though. Not sure how the rest of the Mavericks fans feel.

[MeLO MvP 15]

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Buh bye, sleepy face.......buh bye.
Waiving Balkman right now might be the stupidest possible decision. If anything, wait until next summer and amnesty him then (if we can't trade him) if necessary. It's not like wiping his less than $2 million contract from this years cap does anything for us and since we're not in the luxury tax Dolan wouldn't even save any money, so why waste such a valuable thing? It could be useful to use just in case something does happen to one of the bigger names *knock on wood*

Using it on him now could end up as one of the worst decisions ever.

[DMAVS41]

Every time I look at that trio, I think the exact same thing, Butler and Chandler are the better fit for the Mavericks needs.

In a perfect world, they keep all 3 and trade Roddy for something useful: either front court depth or a 1st rd pick.

If not, Butler and Chandler and bring someone in on the MLE on someone like Chuck Hayes (a banger off the bench) or Shannon Brown (let him back up Rudy at the 3 or let him start and Rudy comes off the bench for big 3's).

I'd much rather have some new legs in Brown at a position we could use true athleticism at then keeping 3 PG's on the roster.

That's just my opinion though. Not sure how the rest of the Mavericks fans feel.

It really just depends on what Roddy can provide. Honestly, Roddy/Jones/Brewer should be able to fill the JJ void pretty well.

I think Butler is worth a lot to this team....he's a legit player capable of dropping 20 in any game. He's also one of the toughest players in the league.....something this Mavs team always needs.

I just don't see a reason to have both JJ and Roddy. Especially if it comes at the price of losing Haywood. You have to think JJ is going to demand somewhere between 5-6 million for 4 or 5 years. Given our team, is that worth it if we have to lose Haywood? Who is making only a couple million more per year.

I love JJ, but Butler is a 30 mpg guy that is simply a better and more valuable player. JJ probably isn't worth what he's going to get for a 21 minute a game guy....especially when we have a very similar player sitting on our bench with more upside.

[bagelred]

If Haywood and his ridiculous contract were "tradeable", he'd be gone already.

He and his contract are one of the least tradeable packages in the entire NBA.

He's just Erick Dampier 2.0 for Cuban.

It's crazy how Dallas has made this same exact mistake three times in a row:

Erick Dampier
DeSagana Diop
Brendon Haywood

[DMAVS41]

It's crazy how Dallas has made this same exact mistake three times in a row:

Erick Dampier
DeSagana Diop
Brendon Haywood

They had the right idea to get a defensive minded center that can rebound as well. They just completely missed on all three of those guys.

Its funny that getting Chandler was kind of random. Even Nellie said they didn't really think it was that big of a deal at the time. They just wanted to do something.

I still hold out hope that Haywood can get his shit together and contribute next year if we keep him. He could....COULD be very important this coming year.

[bagelred]

Waiving Balkman right now might be the stupidest possible decision. If anything, wait until next summer and amnesty him then (if we can't trade him) if necessary. It's not like wiping his less than $2 million contract from this years cap does anything for us and since we're not in the luxury tax Dolan wouldn't even save any money, so why waste such a valuable thing? It could be useful to use just in case something does happen to one of the bigger names *knock on wood*

Using it on him now could end up as one of the worst decisions ever.

well......I GUESS........the chances of them ever having to use amnesty on Melo or Amare is so slim though.

D'Antoni does not want Balkman on the team and the Knicks are actually running out of roster spots.

Knicks have 10 spots filled. Now add Shumpert, Harrellson, Jordan. That's 13. Probably resign Shawne Williams. That's 14. And if they want to make a few moves, they might just want to dump Balkman and get it over with.

I suppose its feasible Knicks could just trade Balkman + cash for expirer to save the amnesty clause. It's plausible if someone has any interest in Balkman....

[hawkfan]

well......I GUESS........the chances of them ever having to use amnesty on Melo or Amare is so slim though.

D'Antoni does not want Balkman on the team and the Knicks are actually running out of roster spots.

Knicks have 10 spots filled. Now add Shumpert, Harrellson, Jordan. That's 13. Probably resign Shawne Williams. That's 14. And if they want to make a few moves, they might just want to dump Balkman and get it over with.

I suppose its feasible Knicks could just trade Balkman + cash for expirer to save the amnesty clause. It's plausible if someone has any interest in Balkman....

Balkman and cash to Sacramento for a trade exception.

The Kings get a player and don't have to pay for him (since the Knicks would cover his salary). The Knicks clear out salary cap space and get a trade exception, and don't have to use the amnesty on Balkman.

[ConanRulesNBC]

Bulls and Boozer?

IDK, I'll give Boozer one more season. He wasn't a disappointment like Ben Wallace but the way he disappeared in the playoffs was bad.

[HurricaneKid]

Bulls and Boozer?

IDK, I'll give Boozer one more season. He wasn't a disappointment like Ben Wallace but the way he disappeared in the playoffs was bad.

This is silly. You don't pay a guy 65M to go away when he is avg 18 and 10.

There are a handful of guys that are going to be kicked with this and they are all the terrible contract guys. The only reason to exercise the clause is to get out of paying tax. You are paying them either way, you might as well get SOMETHING out of them. But with high luxury taxes its a way to get out of paying the high taxes. Lakers will use it as they are 25M+ over the tax threshold and will be getting taxed at ~4X overage. So it is costing them 28M in taxes to give 7M to Metta World Peace or 24M to give Walton his 6M. If you were in charge of the pursestrings would you seriously pay $30M to have Walton on your team this year or would you pay 13M to be done with him?

[Myth]

Surprised to see that Roy hasn't been mentioned yet.

[blazerjimmy]

Surprised to see that Roy hasn't been mentioned yet.


Exactly what I was thinking........

[blazerjimmy]

Is it a given that Miami uses the amnesty on Mike Miller or do they continue with him???

[blazerjimmy]

Does Detroit use the amnesty? On who? Richard Hamilton is in the last year of his contract and I would think has trade value...so I would think it would be a toss up between Ben Gordon or Charlie Villanueva, both of whom have been largely disappointing. But then I took a closer look at their roster...holy crap, they've only got 9 players under contract, with one of them being Ben Wallace who is in trouble for drunken driving and weapons charges....I would assume that they'll bring Stuckey back..

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Dallas won't amnesty Haywood for awhile. At least for a couple of years.

First they have to see how the Chandler situation plays out. If Chandler leaves, then Haywood is their starting center. If Chandler stays, then they can still keep him for a year and look for trade scenarios to teams that need a legit center.

[LJJ]

Dallas won't amnesty Haywood for awhile. At least for a couple of years.

First they have to see how the Chandler situation plays out. If Chandler leaves, then Haywood is their starting center. If Chandler stays, then they can still keep him for a year and look for trade scenarios to teams that need a legit center.

If they resign Chandler and Butler the Mavs are going to be deep in a new, very steep luxury tax. When cutting Haywood could save 20 million in luxury tax this season alone (not unfeasible), it's just not worth having him around.

Also, when you say teams needing a legit starting center might look into Haywood, are we talking about the same player? Haywood is a career 7ppg 6rpg player, will be 32 going into the next season, has very questionable health and is a known lockerroom-cancer, who is locked up all the way until 2015 for 36 million. There are a lot of dumb GMs in the NBA, but I seriously question that any of them won't recognize Haywood as an extremely undesirable asset.

[hawkfan]

Roy pretty much has to get amnestied, since Portland would then have about 26 million in cap space next summer without Roy's contract.

Roy would be a great pickup for the Lakers.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

If they resign Chandler and Butler the Mavs are going to be deep in a new, very steep luxury tax. When cutting Haywood could save 20 million in luxury tax this season alone (not unfeasible), it's just not worth having him around.

Also, when you say teams needing a legit starting center might look into Haywood, are we talking about the same player? Haywood is a career 7ppg 6rpg player, will be 32 going into the next season, has very questionable health and is a known lockerroom-cancer, who is locked up all the way until 2015 for 36 million. There are a lot of dumb GMs in the NBA, but I seriously question that any of them won't recognize Haywood as an extremely undesirable asset.

Is 20 million worth another title? Without Haywood, the Mavs don't make it to the Finals. Teams in this league need two quality big men at center.

And the Mavs are going to let Caron walk if someone offers him a decent salary. They don't need him. Especially when they will have some younger/cheaper players already under contract that can /will contribute.

[niko]

Waiving Balkman right now might be the stupidest possible decision. If anything, wait until next summer and amnesty him then (if we can't trade him) if necessary. It's not like wiping his less than $2 million contract from this years cap does anything for us and since we're not in the luxury tax Dolan wouldn't even save any money, so why waste such a valuable thing? It could be useful to use just in case something does happen to one of the bigger names *knock on wood*

Using it on him now could end up as one of the worst decisions ever.
The knicks shuold never make decisions to save money. They should make decisions to open up cap flexibility. You keep it in case Amare's knees go in the last years of the contract, then you can use it and get $20M in cap space / savings right away.

[niko]

Amnestied players still get paid right?
If so, what would stop all of them from stacking together for the minimum on the Heat?
Nothing would stop them. As a Knick fan, this should make you happy too though. They won't all go to the heat, and someone like a Haywood, big slug that he is would like good in our center for 20 minutes a game.

[All Net]

Baron Davis?

[Cermet]

Blazers
Brandon Roy , he is done. Which is sad since he was one of my favorite players.

[blablabla]

charlie v or ben gordon
travis outlaw

[bagelred]

Since you can save the amnesty clause, the only teams that will use it are teams that get immediate significant cap space or teams that can get themselves under luxury tax. Alot of other teams will simply wait....even if player that is overpaid.

for example, will Magic amnesty Arenas? This is doubtful to me because it doesn't open up cap space and might as well keep him and see if he's useful. I bet he stays for now. But if Howard leaves, they'll amnesty gilbert next year.

[bagelred]

The only guys who are guaranteed to be Amnestied right away, in my opinion, are:

Luke Walton
Richard Hamilton
Rashard Lewis


Possible Immediate Amnesties: Mehmet Okur, Baron Davis, Nate Robinson, DeSagana Diop, Hasheem Thabeet, Chris Kaman, Travis Outlaw:lol , James Posey,

[MeLO MvP 15]

The knicks shuold never make decisions to save money. They should make decisions to open up cap flexibility. You keep it in case Amare's knees go in the last years of the contract, then you can use it and get $20M in cap space / savings right away.
That's my point. And I'm just pointing out, it doesn't even save money. There is literally zero reason to use it on him this year (unless you believe he has a negative effect just sitting on the bench lol). If anything use it on him next summer if it makes the difference in signing somebody.

[bagelred]

That's my point. And I'm just pointing out, it doesn't even save money. There is literally zero reason to use it on him this year (unless you believe he has a negative effect just sitting on the bench lol). If anything use it on him next summer if it makes the difference in signing somebody.

They should just give Balkman and some cash to the Hornets. They have only 6 players on their roster. :lol