Is FMVP the most overrated accomplishment ever?

[pauk]

Seriously.... some people act like:

1. The FMVP is more worthy than the MVP...
2. The FMVP means that player is the best player in that team

Really? The FMVP is battled between 2 teams, 15 players during a span of only 4-7 games!! Which means ANYBODY can win it... you just have to be the most productive player during that microscopical stretch....

during 4 games ANYBODY can be the FMVP..... this is why the FMVP does NOT mean you have been the best player in your team, but the MVP does, it means you have been the best player the entire year.......... instead of a week...

If you dont believe me... take a look at this... and please tell me if they were those teams best players... and that they could also win the actual MVP..

1. James Worthy won the FMVP over Magic & Kareem.. uh oh? James > Magic-Kareem

2. Cedric won the FMVP over Larry Bird... uh oh? Cedric (who u say?) > Bird

3. Chauncey Billups won the FMVP over Hamilton & co...

4. Tony Parker won the FMVP over Tim Duncan...

5. Pierce won the FMVP over Garnett, Allen & co...

6. Joe Dumars won the FMVP over Isiah Thomas...

7. Dennis Johnson won the FMVP over Gus Williams & Sikma

8. Wes Unseld won the FMVP over Elvin Hayes

9. Bill Walton won the FMVP over Maurice Lucas

10. Jo Jo White won the FMVP over Dave Cowens

11. Willis Reed won the FMVP over Walt Frazier, Debbuschere & Earl Monroe

and so on..............

:rolleyes:

Please... stop overrating this trophy...... its the CHAMPIONSHIP & MVP (BEING THE MAN) that matters... FMVP means NOTHING, it means only that THAT player just so happened to be the most productive in the Finals for the winning team, during a 4-7 game stretch....... nothing more...

------->FMVP is not more worthy than the actual MVP<-------
------->FMVP does NOT mean you are the teams best player<---------

[Deuce Bigalow]

It's actually one of the best awards you can win, MVP of the championship series, how the **** is that overrated?
Oh wait you're a Lebron fan, never mind

[Sarcastic]

It's not overrated, but it's not better than the regular season MVP.

[DaPerceive]

It's not overrated, but it's not better than the regular season MVP.
It depends on the context. Wade's Finals MVP is worth more than Lebron's regular season MVP. However, Tony Parker's Finals MVP is not worth more than Lebron's regular season MVP.

[pauk]

It's actually one of the best awards you can win, MVP of the championship series, how the **** is that overrated?
Oh wait you're a Lebron fan, never mind

its not overrated in THAT sense... did you read???? wtf..
and how could this possibly have ANYTHING to do with lebron? lmao... this kobetard right here ... just cant get him of your mind cant you? :oldlol: ..... just please... i dont want to hear his name in this thread

[Legends66NBA7]

It all depends on context pauk.

Whoever told me to neg pauk... I can't neg pauk because I have to spread some reputation around before I can give reputation back to him.

Just saying. Carry on though.

[pauk]

maybe overrated is not the word im looking for....

more like misperceived... wrongfully viewed....

[I.R.Beast]

it depends on who gets it.... If LBJ had an FMVP and Kobe had 5 reg-season MVPs then FMVP would be worth more, but Since lebron has never won a ring much less an FMVP then a regular season award is worth more than an Award you get for leading your team to the finals and being the best player on the biggest stage in the sport.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Yes. They should just give out first round MVPs against teams with losing records. LeBron would finally get his due.

[Miserio]

1. James Worthy won the FMVP over Magic & Kareem.. uh oh? James > Magic-Kareem One of the greatest series by a player i've seen. He was GOD that series.

2. Cedric won the FMVP over Larry Bird... uh oh? Cedric (who u say?) > Bird we all know who really deserved it

3. Chauncey Billups won the FMVP over Hamilton & co... Deserved, he was the best player of that team

4. Tony Parker won the FMVP over Tim Duncan... Against the cavs... it wasn't even a nba finals, it was just a pickup game between profesionals and the worst team ever to reach the finals.

5. Pierce won the FMVP over Garnett, Allen & co... the true franchise player

6. Joe Dumars won the FMVP over Isiah Thomas... They both were the man

7. Dennis Johnson won the FMVP over Gus Williams & Sikma I'll give you this one

8. Wes Unseld won the FMVP over Elvin Hayes Wes was the star of the team.

9. Bill Walton won the FMVP over Maurice Lucas What? Probably top 5 of GOAT center and you think he didn't deserved it?

10. Jo Jo White won the FMVP over Dave Cowens Mmmmm

11. Willis Reed won the FMVP over Walt Frazier, Debbuschere & Earl Monroe Willis was the MAN on that team all year long.



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[AlphaWolf24]

maybe overrated is not the word im looking for....

more like misperceived... wrongfully viewed....


Just like Winning a championship??...


Right?




:roll: :roll: :roll:







not 1....not 2......not 3....not 4........not 5.......not 6.............not 7

[AlphaWolf24]

Seriously.... some people act like:

1. The FMVP is more worthy than the MVP...
2. The FMVP means that player is the best player in that team

Really? The FMVP is battled between 2 teams, 15 players during a span of only 4-7 games!! Which means ANYBODY can win it... you just have to be the most productive player during that microscopical stretch....

during 4 games ANYBODY can be the FMVP..... this is why the FMVP does NOT mean you have been the best player in your team, but the MVP does, it means you have been the best player the entire year.......... instead of a week...

If you dont believe me... take a look at this... and please tell me if they were those teams best players... and that they could also win the actual MVP..

1. James Worthy won the FMVP over Magic & Kareem.. uh oh? James > Magic-Kareem

2. Cedric won the FMVP over Larry Bird... uh oh? Cedric (who u say?) > Bird

3. Chauncey Billups won the FMVP over Hamilton & co...

4. Tony Parker won the FMVP over Tim Duncan...

5. Pierce won the FMVP over Garnett, Allen & co...

6. Joe Dumars won the FMVP over Isiah Thomas...

7. Dennis Johnson won the FMVP over Gus Williams & Sikma

8. Wes Unseld won the FMVP over Elvin Hayes

9. Bill Walton won the FMVP over Maurice Lucas

10. Jo Jo White won the FMVP over Dave Cowens

11. Willis Reed won the FMVP over Walt Frazier, Debbuschere & Earl Monroe

and so on..............

:rolleyes:

Please... stop overrating this trophy...... its the CHAMPIONSHIP & MVP (BEING THE MAN) that matters... FMVP means NOTHING, it means only that THAT player just so happened to be the most productive in the Finals for the winning team, during a 4-7 game stretch....... nothing more...

------->FMVP is not more worthy than the actual MVP<-------
------->FMVP does NOT mean you are the teams best player<---------




:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:





everyone knows you just talkin outta yo azz......you prolly only watched 1 of those Finals....2005?..

[pauk]

Just like Winning a championship??...


Right?




:roll: :roll: :roll:







not 1....not 2......not 3....not 4........not 5.......not 6.............not 7

i dont get it....

[rodman91]

Not overrated and most of the time best player on championship team gets it.

Regular season MVP is more important achivement than Finals MVP though. But if you are FMVP, it means you are already a champion..who cares rest.:lol

[HurricaneKid]

Seriously.... some people act like:

1. The FMVP is more worthy than the MVP...
2. The FMVP means that player is the best player in that team

Really? The FMVP is battled between 2 teams, 15 players during a span of only 4-7 games!! Which means ANYBODY can win it... you just have to be the most productive player during that microscopical stretch....

during 4 games ANYBODY can be the FMVP..... this is why the FMVP does NOT mean you have been the best player in your team, but the MVP does, it means you have been the best player the entire year.......... instead of a week...

If you dont believe me... take a look at this... and please tell me if they were those teams best players... and that they could also win the actual MVP..

1. James Worthy won the FMVP over Magic & Kareem.. uh oh? James > Magic-Kareem

2. Cedric won the FMVP over Larry Bird... uh oh? Cedric (who u say?) > Bird

3. Chauncey Billups won the FMVP over Hamilton & co...

4. Tony Parker won the FMVP over Tim Duncan...

5. Pierce won the FMVP over Garnett, Allen & co...

6. Joe Dumars won the FMVP over Isiah Thomas...

7. Dennis Johnson won the FMVP over Gus Williams & Sikma

8. Wes Unseld won the FMVP over Elvin Hayes

9. Bill Walton won the FMVP over Maurice Lucas

10. Jo Jo White won the FMVP over Dave Cowens

11. Willis Reed won the FMVP over Walt Frazier, Debbuschere & Earl Monroe

and so on..............

:rolleyes:

Please... stop overrating this trophy...... its the CHAMPIONSHIP & MVP (BEING THE MAN) that matters... FMVP means NOTHING, it means only that THAT player just so happened to be the most productive in the Finals for the winning team, during a 4-7 game stretch....... nothing more...

------->FMVP is not more worthy than the actual MVP<-------
------->FMVP does NOT mean you are the teams best player<---------

Disagree. I think FMVPs are very important. Far more so than AS MVP which seems to be given merit which is laughable, and all-def teams which are ironically handed out tp offensive minded players.

[Doranku]

It's all about context. This forum loves to look at things in black and white.

I'll take Wade's Finals MVP where he averaged 35/8/4/3 and led his team back from a 2-0 deficit over Derrick Rose's regular season MVP where he put up 25/8/4 on 44.5%.

On the flip side, I'll take LeBron's 30/8/7 regular season MVP over Tony Parker's Finals MVP of 25/5/3.

[winwin]

i agree with pauk ... also

playoffs MVP >>> FMVP

span of 12-21 games

[AlphaWolf24]

i agree with pauk ... also

playoffs MVP >>> FMVP

span of 12-21 games


this...Playoff MVP> FMVP





especially when the best teams the champion faces may not be in the Finals..

[Legends66NBA7]

this...Playoff MVP> FMVP





especially when the best teams the champion faces may not be in the Finals..

I concur. The NBA should make a playoffs MVP award already.

[Legends66NBA7]

Whoever told me to neg pauk... I can't neg pauk because I have to spread some reputation around before I can give reputation back to him.

Just saying.

[rodman91]

I concur. The NBA should make a playoffs MVP award already.
Then T-Mac would have many.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Then T-Mac would have many.

Uh..lol

[Legends66NBA7]

Then T-Mac would have many.

Should make a rule about it then. Like 2 rounds? 3 rounds? To qualify..

[AlphaWolf24]

Then T-Mac would have many.


your confused with the Most Valuable player to never get past the 1rst round award......or the Most valuable player to be up 3 -1 and say that he will make to the 2nd round and then lose 3 straight award...or my favorite...

the If we lose then it's all on me.....but after we lose I take it back and blame my team award

[rodman91]

Most valuable player to be up 3 -1 and say that he will make to the 2nd round and then lose 3 straight award

Kobe in 2006 playoffs?

[AlphaWolf24]

Kobe in 2006 playoffs?


nope..TMAC in 2003...:roll:


Kobe never said that....and PHX was the #1 seed.....Kobe knew that missed rebound cost L.A. the series

[Legends66NBA7]

nope..TMAC in 2003...:roll:


Kobe never said that....and PHX was the #1 seed.....Kobe knew that missed rebound cost L.A. the series

#2 seed.

[AlphaWolf24]

#2 seed.

and the Lakers had Kwame Brown so neener...neener...neener...

[ieballer3]

if it was flipped and wade had two reg season mvps and lebron had one fmvp this thread would not exist. actually it would change to: is regular season mvp the most overrated accomplishment ever? :hammerhead:

[Legends66NBA7]

and the Lakers had Kwame Brown so neener...neener...neener...

Kwame was playing like a beast for his standards.

12.9ppg 6.6rpg 1.0apg 0.3spg 0.9bpg 52.3%fg 71.0%ft


That new Laker strategy didn't really payoff either. I wish the Lakers did beat the Suns that year though, I really wanted to see and all L.A. vs L.A. showdown. Never have to even leave the state and the funny thing is that the Clippers would have been favored.

Irony.

[AlphaWolf24]

Kwame was playing like a beast for his standards.

12.9ppg 6.6rpg 1.0apg 0.3spg 0.9bpg 52.3%fg 71.0%ft


That new Laker strategy didn't really payoff either. I wish the Lakers did beat the Suns that year though, I really wanted to see and all L.A. vs L.A. showdown. Never have to even leave the state and the funny thing is that the Clippers would have been favored.

Irony.


yup...Kwame was beastin.....his post game was firing on 1 cylinder....

Brian Cook was like Larry legend...smush was zeke 2.0...

Kobe was looking to the low post most of the series....they were 1 rebound away rom winning a Title:rolleyes:

[Legends66NBA7]

yup...Kwame was beastin.....his post game was firing on 1 cylinder....

Brian Cook was like Larry legend...smush was zeke 2.0...

Kobe was looking to the low post most of the series....they were 1 rebound away rom winning a Title:rolleyes:

:oldlol:

Well they got 2 of them later on, so all is well :cheers: .

[D-Wade316]

It depends on the context. Wade's Finals MVP is worth more than Lebron's regular season MVP. However, Tony Parker's Finals MVP is not worth more than Lebron's regular season MVP.
True. If a player dominated the way Wade did in 06, then it holds more value to any MVP award.

[Lebron23]

Playoffs MVP > Finals MVP. You need to be a consistent dominant player through the playoffs.

[kentatm]

Seriously.... some people act like:

1. The FMVP is more worthy than the MVP...
2. The FMVP means that player is the best player in that team

Really? The FMVP is battled between 2 teams, 15 players during a span of only 4-7 games!! Which means ANYBODY can win it... you just have to be the most productive player during that microscopical stretch....

during 4 games ANYBODY can be the FMVP..... this is why the FMVP does NOT mean you have been the best player in your team, but the MVP does, it means you have been the best player the entire year.......... instead of a week...

If you dont believe me... take a look at this... and please tell me if they were those teams best players... and that they could also win the actual MVP..

1. James Worthy won the FMVP over Magic & Kareem.. uh oh? James > Magic-Kareem

2. Cedric won the FMVP over Larry Bird... uh oh? Cedric (who u say?) > Bird

3. Chauncey Billups won the FMVP over Hamilton & co...

4. Tony Parker won the FMVP over Tim Duncan...

5. Pierce won the FMVP over Garnett, Allen & co...

6. Joe Dumars won the FMVP over Isiah Thomas...

7. Dennis Johnson won the FMVP over Gus Williams & Sikma

8. Wes Unseld won the FMVP over Elvin Hayes

9. Bill Walton won the FMVP over Maurice Lucas

10. Jo Jo White won the FMVP over Dave Cowens

11. Willis Reed won the FMVP over Walt Frazier, Debbuschere & Earl Monroe

and so on..............

:rolleyes:

Please... stop overrating this trophy...... its the CHAMPIONSHIP & MVP (BEING THE MAN) that matters... FMVP means NOTHING, it means only that THAT player just so happened to be the most productive in the Finals for the winning team, during a 4-7 game stretch....... nothing more...

------->FMVP is not more worthy than the actual MVP<-------
------->FMVP does NOT mean you are the teams best player<---------

Since I know you didn't watch all of these Finals and are just throwing names out there you get a big fat neg.

and no, Finals MVP is NOT the most overrated accomplishment.


All Star game MVP and even just getting voted into the starting lineup of the All Star game are both far more overrated b/c that shit is stuff people try to use to justify HOF credentials even though its pretty damn meaningless.

same goes for winning the dunk contest since its become obvious its rigged.




I don't know why some of you are talking about a playoffs MVP when there is no such award unless some of you are trying to find a way to pump up LeBron but even then he would have lost the award to Dirk.

[Kovach]

Not only that it isn't overrated it is the most relevant of the player's individual awards. That "week" is what the "entire year" exists for. Not to mention that it serves to separate the true great players from underachieving stats-hogging hacks that vanish when it matters the most.

[FlashDwyaneWade3]

True. If a player dominated the way Wade did in 06, then it holds more value to any MVP award.
Who is that on your avatar?

[Asukal]

How can being the best player in the most important series be overrated? Its the finals! The stage where all the teams work hard to get to. Its the climax of the season, its where it all matters. Don't forget the old saying, "winning is all that matters.". You can ask Jordan, Kobe, Bird, etc they would prefer FMVP over MVP any day afterall MVP does not guarantee a ring, FMVP does. :facepalm

[Anaximandro1]

FMVP

Jordan 6
Magic 3
Duncan 3
Shaq 3

:confusedshrug:

[greensborohill]

Seriously.... some people act like:

1. The FMVP is more worthy than the MVP...
2. The FMVP means that player is the best player in that team

Really? The FMVP is battled between 2 teams, 15 players during a span of only 4-7 games!! Which means ANYBODY can win it... you just have to be the most productive player during that microscopical stretch....

during 4 games ANYBODY can be the FMVP..... this is why the FMVP does NOT mean you have been the best player in your team, but the MVP does, it means you have been the best player the entire year.......... instead of a week...

If you dont believe me... take a look at this... and please tell me if they were those teams best players... and that they could also win the actual MVP..

1. James Worthy won the FMVP over Magic & Kareem.. uh oh? James > Magic-Kareem

2. Cedric won the FMVP over Larry Bird... uh oh? Cedric (who u say?) > Bird

3. Chauncey Billups won the FMVP over Hamilton & co...

4. Tony Parker won the FMVP over Tim Duncan...

5. Pierce won the FMVP over Garnett, Allen & co...

6. Joe Dumars won the FMVP over Isiah Thomas...

7. Dennis Johnson won the FMVP over Gus Williams & Sikma

8. Wes Unseld won the FMVP over Elvin Hayes

9. Bill Walton won the FMVP over Maurice Lucas

10. Jo Jo White won the FMVP over Dave Cowens

11. Willis Reed won the FMVP over Walt Frazier, Debbuschere & Earl Monroe

and so on..............

:rolleyes:

Please... stop overrating this trophy...... its the CHAMPIONSHIP & MVP (BEING THE MAN) that matters... FMVP means NOTHING, it means only that THAT player just so happened to be the most productive in the Finals for the winning team, during a 4-7 game stretch....... nothing more...

------->FMVP is not more worthy than the actual MVP<-------
------->FMVP does NOT mean you are the teams best player<---------

LeBron? Is that you? Do you have multiple screen names on this site LeBron?

[I.R.Beast]

You people dont understand do you; anything that LeBron hasn't gotten is not legitemate

[Doctor Rivers]

Seriously.... some people act like:

1. The FMVP is more worthy than the MVP...
2. The FMVP means that player is the best player in that team

Really? The FMVP is battled between 2 teams, 15 players during a span of only 4-7 games!! Which means ANYBODY can win it... you just have to be the most productive player during that microscopical stretch....

during 4 games ANYBODY can be the FMVP..... this is why the FMVP does NOT mean you have been the best player in your team, but the MVP does, it means you have been the best player the entire year.......... instead of a week...

If you dont believe me... take a look at this... and please tell me if they were those teams best players... and that they could also win the actual MVP..

1. James Worthy won the FMVP over Magic & Kareem.. uh oh? James > Magic-Kareem

2. Cedric won the FMVP over Larry Bird... uh oh? Cedric (who u say?) > Bird

3. Chauncey Billups won the FMVP over Hamilton & co...

4. Tony Parker won the FMVP over Tim Duncan...

5. Pierce won the FMVP over Garnett, Allen & co...

6. Joe Dumars won the FMVP over Isiah Thomas...

7. Dennis Johnson won the FMVP over Gus Williams & Sikma

8. Wes Unseld won the FMVP over Elvin Hayes

9. Bill Walton won the FMVP over Maurice Lucas

10. Jo Jo White won the FMVP over Dave Cowens

11. Willis Reed won the FMVP over Walt Frazier, Debbuschere & Earl Monroe

and so on..............

:rolleyes:

Please... stop overrating this trophy...... its the CHAMPIONSHIP & MVP (BEING THE MAN) that matters... FMVP means NOTHING, it means only that THAT player just so happened to be the most productive in the Finals for the winning team, during a 4-7 game stretch....... nothing more...

------->FMVP is not more worthy than the actual MVP<-------
------->FMVP does NOT mean you are the teams best player<---------

not when wade wins it

yes, when kobe wins it

[D-Wade316]

Who is that on your avatar?
Ida Ljungqvist

[Jacks3]

It only becomes worthless if there is blatant cheating and corruption to get it. Like Wade in 2006.

[bond10]

FMVP cannot be overrated. Lebron dominated everywhere except the finals, and this board bashes him like no other for it. If finals is that important then so should FMVP.

[Cangri]

It depends on the context. Wade's Finals MVP is worth more than Lebron's regular season MVP. However, Tony Parker's Finals MVP is not worth more than Lebron's regular season MVP.
This actually makes sense :applause:

[Doctor Rivers]

It only becomes worthless if there is blatant cheating and corruption to get it. Like Wade in 2006.

u :mad:?

[RRR3]

u :mad:?
He mad, doc, he mad that wade shits on his boy Kobe. :roll:

[Phong]

FMVP is only overrated for fans of players who don't have one.

[NASH = BEST]

I also agree that the FMVP is big time overrated. I would prefer to see an award that goes to the best player in the playoffs of the championship team, ala the Conn Smythe award in the NHL. I started to believe this after Shaq's 3 worthless FMVP's against really bad eastern conference teams.

[Bigsmoke]

9. Bill Walton won the FMVP over Maurice Lucas

:confusedshrug:

[SpecialQue]

Bump. I wonder how he feels about this award now that Lebron has a couple.

[Hey Yo]

nope..TMAC in 2003...:roll:


Kobe never said that....and PHX was the #1 seed.....Kobe knew that missed rebound cost L.A. the series

:biggums:

[Euroleague]

Seriously.... some people act like:

1. The FMVP is more worthy than the MVP...
2. The FMVP means that player is the best player in that team

Really? The FMVP is battled between 2 teams, 15 players during a span of only 4-7 games!! Which means ANYBODY can win it... you just have to be the most productive player during that microscopical stretch....

during 4 games ANYBODY can be the FMVP..... this is why the FMVP does NOT mean you have been the best player in your team, but the MVP does, it means you have been the best player the entire year.......... instead of a week...

If you dont believe me... take a look at this... and please tell me if they were those teams best players... and that they could also win the actual MVP..

1. James Worthy won the FMVP over Magic & Kareem.. uh oh? James > Magic-Kareem

2. Cedric won the FMVP over Larry Bird... uh oh? Cedric (who u say?) > Bird

3. Chauncey Billups won the FMVP over Hamilton & co...

4. Tony Parker won the FMVP over Tim Duncan...

5. Pierce won the FMVP over Garnett, Allen & co...

6. Joe Dumars won the FMVP over Isiah Thomas...

7. Dennis Johnson won the FMVP over Gus Williams & Sikma

8. Wes Unseld won the FMVP over Elvin Hayes

9. Bill Walton won the FMVP over Maurice Lucas

10. Jo Jo White won the FMVP over Dave Cowens

11. Willis Reed won the FMVP over Walt Frazier, Debbuschere & Earl Monroe

and so on..............

:rolleyes:

Please... stop overrating this trophy...... its the CHAMPIONSHIP & MVP (BEING THE MAN) that matters... FMVP means NOTHING, it means only that THAT player just so happened to be the most productive in the Finals for the winning team, during a 4-7 game stretch....... nothing more...

------->FMVP is not more worthy than the actual MVP<-------
------->FMVP does NOT mean you are the teams best player<---------

Actually, the MVP only covers the regular season. So not "the entire year".

[Euroleague]

I concur. The NBA should make a playoffs MVP award already.

Or just do it like Euroleague and make the MVP actually include the playoffs up until the finals.

Actually, the Greek League does not even vote the MVP until after the season is over.

Europe has better ideas on how the awards should be handled, with the exception that they then ruin it by letting the fans decide it by online voting.

But how they time the voting makes much more sense.

[rmt]

I prefer a Playoff MVP - sometimes the toughest series is not the Finals or the Finals is just a formality - see PHX & CAVS series in 2007.

[SouBeachTalents]

It really makes no sense why they don't have a playoff MVP

[3ball]

Magic, Bird, Kareem, Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, Wade, and Lebron all needed someone else to win FMVP or be the best player in a Finals.

But MJ never did - that's why the FMVP award is only meaningful if we're talking about MJ...

He won every FMVP that he had a chance to win and was always the best player on his team in any series.. He's the only guy in history that can say that - it's just another reason he's the GOAT.

[plowking]

Magic, Bird, Kareem, Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, Wade, and Lebron all needed someone else to win FMVP or be the best player in a Finals.

But MJ never did - that's why the FMVP award is only meaningful if we're talking about MJ...

He won every FMVP that he had a chance to win and was always the best player on his team in any series.. He's the only guy in history that can say that - it's just another reason he's the GOAT.

He shouldn't have won in 96.

[SouBeachTalents]

Magic, Bird, Kareem, Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, Wade, and Lebron all needed someone else to win FMVP or be the best player in a Finals.

But MJ never did - that's why the FMVP is only meaningful if we're talking about MJ... He won every FMVP that he had a chance to win and was always the best player on his team in any series.. He's the only guy in history that can say that - it's just another reason he's the GOAT.

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/06/08/sports/nba-finals-once-again-rodman-is-most-valuable-bull.html
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1996-06-17/sports/9606170154_1_dennis-rodman-bulls-crowning-moment
http://www.petemyersrules.com/2011/08/rodmans-mvp.html
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1291915

[3ball]

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/06/08/sports/nba-finals-once-again-rodman-is-most-valuable-bull.html
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1996-06-17/sports/9606170154_1_dennis-rodman-bulls-crowning-moment
http://www.petemyersrules.com/2011/08/rodmans-mvp.html
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1291915
It's funny - not one of those articles says Rodman deserved MVP, or should've gotten MVP, or ANYTHING like that.. They all just congratulate him for having a good Game 2, or good series in general.

MJ won the MVP because he averaged 32 ppg on 46% thru 3 games to get his team a 3-0 lead.. That's all that mattered.. And his stats were stellar compared to virtually everyone else in the series - for example, Pippen averaged an amazingly horrific 15 ppg on 34%.

So I'll state the facts again - Magic, Bird, Kareem, Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, Wade, and Lebron all needed someone else to win FMVP or be the best player in a Finals...

But MJ never did - he was always the best player and won FMVP in every Finals he played in - he's the only guy out of the guys listed, which is just another reason he's goat.
.

[RidonKs]

no doubt. at least half the time the eventual champions meet the next best team in an earlier round. how about a conference semifinals mvp award?

[SouBeachTalents]

It's funny - not one of those articles says Rodman deserved MVP, or should've gotten MVP, or ANYTHING like that.

They all just congratulate him for having a good Game 2, or good series in general.

MJ won the MVP because he averaged 32 ppg on 46% thru 3 games to get his team a 3-0 lead.. That's all that mattered.

So I'll state the facts again - Magic, Bird, Kareem, Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, Wade, and Lebron all needed someone else to win FMVP or be the best player in a Finals...

But MJ never did - he was always the best player and won FMVP in every Finals he played in - he's the only guy to do it out of the guys listed, which is just another reason he's goat.

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It's a good thing Dennis Rodman doesn't care about accolades.

Because if he did, he might have been a little miffed about not earning the NBA Finals MVP award.


"I thought Dennis did everything to deserve the MVP," said Luc Longley. "He did everything to help us win. Not just in the Finals, but through the whole playoffs. Without him, there's no doubt we wouldn't have won."

[plowking]

It's funny - not one of those articles says Rodman deserved MVP, or should've gotten MVP, or ANYTHING like that.. They all just congratulate him for having a good Game 2, or good series in general.

MJ won the MVP because he averaged 32 ppg on 46% thru 3 games to get his team a 3-0 lead.. That's all that mattered.. And his stats were stellar compared to virtually everyone else in the series - for example, Pippen averaged an amazingly horrific 15 ppg on 34%.

So I'll state the facts again - Magic, Bird, Kareem, Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, Wade, and Lebron all needed someone else to win FMVP or be the best player in a Finals...

But MJ never did - he was always the best player and won FMVP in every Finals he played in - he's the only guy out of the guys listed, which is just another reason he's goat.
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MJ didn't average 32ppg on 46% for the series though.

He was outplayed by both Rodman and Kemp that series.

[3ball]

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Again, none of those quotes say Rodman should've won MVP.

MJ won MVP without dispute.

So I'll repeat the facts again - facts that you cannot dispute, because they are facts:

MJ is the only player that never needed a teammate to win FMVP or be the best player in a Finals... Otoh, Magic, Bird, Kareem, Kobe, Lebron, Shaq and Wade ALL needed a teammate to win FMVP or be the best player in the Finals.

[3ball]

MJ didn't average 32ppg on 46% for the series though.


He did through 3 games, which were the games that mattered and decided the series - everything after that was garbage time and stat-padding.

Also, his 27 ppg on 42% was by far the best stats of anyone in the series - by comparison, Pippen averaged 15 ppg on 34%.

Btw, other than his superior stats compared to everyone else in that series, the offense ran through MJ - everyone else got their offense based on the threat of MJ's offense - his presence on the court allowed the Bulls to keep pace with the elite teams offensively - he's the only guy that could get 27 ppg - take that away and the Bulls get blown out... Whereas Rodman's rebounds are more replaceable.

And that was MJ's worst Finals - just think - if Lebron averages 27 ppg on 42% in the 2007 or 2011 Finals, he's 4/6 instead of 2/6, and we're having an intense discussion right now about whether he can realistically catch MJ.. But unfortunately, Lebron wasn't good enough for that - simply not the goat.

[And1AllDay]

Historically, some of the greatest NBA Players of all time have won at least two. Actually, I bet if you broke it down, you could create a consistent top 10- all time list just based on players with 2 or more NBA Finals MVPs.

Jordan
Shaq
Bird
Magic
Kareem
LeBron
Bryant
Hakeem

Only one left off the list is Wilt (he only has 1) and Russell, but we already know why Russell doesn't have any, they didn't exist at the time lol

I'll be dammed if those 10 players aren't in nearly every single top 10 list (among intelligent NBA fans) all time list.

Jordan
Magic
Kareem
Shaq
Bryant
LeBron
Bird
Hakeem
Russell

Honorable Mention: Wilt (who is the only player that only has 1 and is usually considered a top 10 player all-time)

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

Seriously.... some people act like:

1. The FMVP is more worthy than the MVP[/B]...
2. The FMVP means that player is the best player in that team

Really? The FMVP is battled between 2 teams, 15 players during a span of only 4-7 games!! Which means ANYBODY can win it... you just have to be the most productive player during that microscopical stretch....

during 4 games ANYBODY can be the FMVP..... this is why the FMVP does NOT mean you have been the best player in your team, but the MVP does, it means you have been the best player the entire year.......... instead of a week...

If you dont believe me... take a look at this... and please tell me if they were those teams best players... and that they could also win the actual MVP..

1. James Worthy won the FMVP over Magic & Kareem.. uh oh? James > Magic-Kareem

2. Cedric won the FMVP over Larry Bird... uh oh? Cedric (who u say?) > Bird

3. Chauncey Billups won the FMVP over Hamilton & co...

4. Tony Parker won the FMVP over Tim Duncan...

5. Pierce won the FMVP over Garnett, Allen & co...

6. Joe Dumars won the FMVP over Isiah Thomas...

7. Dennis Johnson won the FMVP over Gus Williams & Sikma

8. Wes Unseld won the FMVP over Elvin Hayes

9. Bill Walton won the FMVP over Maurice Lucas

10. Jo Jo White won the FMVP over Dave Cowens

11. Willis Reed won the FMVP over Walt Frazier, Debbuschere & Earl Monroe

and so on..............

:rolleyes:

Please... stop overrating this trophy...... its the CHAMPIONSHIP & MVP (BEING THE MAN) that matters... FMVP means NOTHING, it means only that THAT player just so happened to be the most productive in the Finals for the winning team, during a 4-7 game stretch....... nothing more...

------->FMVP is not more worthy than the actual MVP<-------
------->FMVP does NOT mean you are the teams best player<---------

So the way you combat people that you feel overrate FMVP's is....by underrating MVP's.

Surely you don't actually think they mean nothing, right? While it is indeed "a week of basketball", it is far and away the most important week of the year, and for many top players the most important week of their entire careers.

Don't fight hyperbole with hyperbole lol. Doesn't accomplish anything.

[rmt]

Historically, some of the greatest NBA Players of all time have won at least two. Actually, I bet if you broke it down, you could create a consistent top 10- all time list just based on players with 2 or more NBA Finals MVPs.

Jordan
Shaq
Bird
Magic
Kareem
LeBron
Bryant
Hakeem

Only one left off the list is Wilt (he only has 1) and Russell, but we already know why Russell doesn't have any, they didn't exist at the time lol

I'll be dammed if those 10 players aren't in nearly every single top 10 list (among intelligent NBA fans) all time list.

Jordan
Magic
Kareem
Shaq
Bryant
LeBron
Bird
Hakeem
Russell

Honorable Mention: Wilt (who is the only player that only has 1 and is usually considered a top 10 player all-time)

Don't you think you forgot a player with 5 rings and 3 FMVPs?

[And1AllDay]

Don't you think you forgot a player with 5 rings and 3 FMVPs?

I knew I was forgetting someone, lol Sorry Wilt! Bye Felisha :lol

[ClipperRevival]

Basketball isn't like football or baseball, where some scrub player can catch fire and win the mvp. In bball, stars impact the game. There has never been one scrub who came out of nowhere to win fmvp. Sure, there are your exceptions as OP listed but even thise guys are or were stars. But 9 out of 10 times, the best and most impactful player (usually "the man"), wins the award.

So it carries a lot of weight. But yes, the regular season mvp is usually a greater indicator of how good you are as a player given the much larger sample size. But it still matters and carries weight to show up when it matters most and win fmvp.

[Dresta]

No - MVP is: the award of regular season warriors like your deity and saviour, LeBran James.

[plowking]

No - MVP is: the award of regular season warriors like your deity and saviour, LeBran James.

pauk made a shitty thread, but doesn't take away the fact that the MVP is the most prestigious award in NBA, or any sport for that matter. It shows you were the most consistent player over the course of a season, and were better than all of your peers. It is literally the thing kids dream about when aspiring to be sports stars. That and being a champion.

FMVP is right under MVP though.

[Droid101]

pauk made a shitty thread,
Just stop. You were on a roll.

[rmt]

I knew I was forgetting someone, lol Sorry Wilt! Bye Felisha :lol

Huh? What does that mean?

[aj1987]

Magic, Bird, Kareem, Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, Wade, and Lebron all needed someone else to win FMVP or be the best player in a Finals.

But MJ never did - that's why the FMVP award is only meaningful if we're talking about MJ...

He won every FMVP that he had a chance to win and was always the best player on his team in any series.. He's the only guy in history that can say that - it's just another reason he's the GOAT.
MJ NEEDED Pip to win his FMVP's.

[Straight_Ballin]

Why is it that when ever Paulk posts, the replies to it just make everyone more secure in thier belief that LeBron is even more of a joke than they thought he was prior to reading said replies? :lol

[Straight_Ballin]

MJ NEEDED Pip to win his FMVP's.

MJ made Pip by working with him outside of practice.
You are basically saying he needed himself. Well no shit Sherlock.

[kennethgriffin]

yes. fmvp is only relevant when the top player is allot better than his 2nd leading scorer


like kobe to gasol in 2009/10


or wade to antoine walker in 2006

[GreggPopazit]

Seriously.... some people act like:

1. The FMVP is more worthy than the MVP...
2. The FMVP means that player is the best player in that team

Really? The FMVP is battled between 2 teams, 15 players during a span of only 4-7 games!! Which means ANYBODY can win it... you just have to be the most productive player during that microscopical stretch....

during 4 games ANYBODY can be the FMVP..... this is why the FMVP does NOT mean you have been the best player in your team, but the MVP does, it means you have been the best player the entire year.......... instead of a week...

If you dont believe me... take a look at this... and please tell me if they were those teams best players... and that they could also win the actual MVP..

1. James Worthy won the FMVP over Magic & Kareem.. uh oh? James > Magic-Kareem

2. Cedric won the FMVP over Larry Bird... uh oh? Cedric (who u say?) > Bird

3. Chauncey Billups won the FMVP over Hamilton & co...

4. Tony Parker won the FMVP over Tim Duncan...

5. Pierce won the FMVP over Garnett, Allen & co...

6. Joe Dumars won the FMVP over Isiah Thomas...

7. Dennis Johnson won the FMVP over Gus Williams & Sikma

8. Wes Unseld won the FMVP over Elvin Hayes

9. Bill Walton won the FMVP over Maurice Lucas

10. Jo Jo White won the FMVP over Dave Cowens

11. Willis Reed won the FMVP over Walt Frazier, Debbuschere & Earl Monroe

and so on..............

:rolleyes:

Please... stop overrating this trophy...... its the CHAMPIONSHIP & MVP (BEING THE MAN) that matters... FMVP means NOTHING, it means only that THAT player just so happened to be the most productive in the Finals for the winning team, during a 4-7 game stretch....... nothing more...

------->FMVP is not more worthy than the actual MVP<-------
------->FMVP does NOT mean you are the teams best player<---------

Not sure what your point was on the bold one. Bill Walton was clearly better than Lucas.

[GreggPopazit]

yes. fmvp is only relevant when the top player is allot better than his 2nd leading scorer


like kobe to gasol in 2009/10


or wade to antoine walker in 2006

Kobe fans always looking to scoring to determine who is best :hammerhead:

[kshutts1]

Literally every single stat and/or accomplishment is improperly rated by the vast majority of posters on this board. Almost no one takes context in to account, and almost no one takes a conglomeration of stats/accolades in to account. Just use one stat that agrees with their opinion and consider it good.

Ironically, ESPN is just as bad. The fact that they can create a ranking system based solely on one number (typically PER) and NEVER use any sort of subjective ranking to alter the finished product is just laughable.

[And1AllDay]

Huh? What does that mean?

I forgot about Timmy, so Wilt is off the list now.

[SouBeachTalents]

yes. fmvp is only relevant when the top player is allot better than his 2nd leading scorer


like kobe to gasol in 2009/10


or wade to antoine walker in 2006

Or Shaq/Kobe in 2000-02