Chris Boussard: CP3 to Knicks very improbable. Most likely destination Clippers?

[Clippersfan86]

Love it. Basically Knicks don't have any assets NO would want and the league isn't going to do a peanuts for superstar steal while they own the Hornets. He lists the Clippers as being the clear cut frontrunners. Says Paul has no interest in OKC despite the rumors of Westbrook for CP3.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/33566/chris-paul-and-new-yorks-hopes

[Meticode]

What the hell is up with Chris? This weird mixed race guy is going to say the whole NBA free agent pool is going to end up on the Clippers soon.

[The Macho Man]

When is Griffin gonna stop wasting everyones time and come to DC

http://www.blogcdn.com/nba.fanhouse.com/media/2011/02/wall-griffin-0211-600.jpg

This is what everyone wants to see.

[knickswin]

the article says he wants the Knicks and they are his first choice, but they would have to get him in the summer.

[Clippersfan86]

the article says he wants the Knicks and they are his first choice, but they would have to get him in the summer.

Absolutely. If it's left up to CP3 he WILL choose Knicks. Problem is given the circumstances like CP3 likely being a sign and trade... and the fact that NY has no assets... it's very unlikely NY can make a play for him.

[Meticode]

When is Griffin gonna stop wasting everyones time and come to DC

http://www.blogcdn.com/nba.fanhouse.com/media/2011/02/wall-griffin-0211-600.jpg

This is what everyone wants to see.
We talking about CP3 in here man. WTF. :D

[Clippersfan86]

What the hell is up with Chris? This weird mixed race guy is going to say the whole NBA free agent pool is going to end up on the Clippers soon.

Dude honestly if you were a free agent superstar.... or a superstar looking for a new team..... you don't think Clippers would be a top 5 choice for you as well? Live in LA, big city fame, lots to do... surrounded by excellent, young talent. Iggy, AK47, Deron and CP3 have all said they would like the Clippers.

Dwight on the other hand never said he likes the Clippers... that's more of a case of the Clippers lusting after him. All Dwight says is he would consider LA and that likely means the Lakers.

[DuMa]

stop with the threads. ak47, dwight and chris paul all to the clippers? :facepalm

[Clippersfan86]

stop with the threads. ak47, dwight and chris paul all to the clippers? :facepalm

Um obviously not all of them you goof. Clippers willing to pursue Dwight at all costs.... (interest hasn't been mutual that I'm aware of) and CP3, AK47 and Iggy having Clippers on their wishlists. All different stories.

[Meticode]

Michael Jordan is coming out of retirement to join the Clippers.

[eliteballer]

Thread title is nothing like the article:rolleyes:

[Meticode]

Reggie Miller? Count his ass in on the Clippers! Ray Allen watch out!

[Clippersfan86]

Reggie Miller? Count his ass in on the Clippers! Ray Allen watch out!

Once a shooter, always a shooter. We'll see if people are still joking about the Clippers after next season. I have a feeling the team is going to have a lot of jealousy and animosity directed towards it.

[Meticode]

Juwan Howard? The championship train derailed in Miami? Come to L.A. and play yo ass on the Clippers?

[Meticode]

Eddy Curry? Miss those Big Macs in New York? Don't worry, the L.A. Clippers got plenty of McDonalds in the local area!

[The Macho Man]

My sources say Wilt Chamberlain is considering rising from the grave to play spot minutes for the Clippers.

[Clutch]

If CP3 wants to sign with the Knicks he will sign with them and there is nothing that can stop him.

Clippers or some other team have good assets and are willing to trade them for CP3 ? Fine,he won't sign extension unless the trade is coming from NY.

I don't say he only wants to go to Knicks,but my point is clear - If he wants to be a Knick - he will be a Knick

[NugzFan]

stop with the threads. ak47, dwight and chris paul all to the clippers? :facepalm

this.

it would be nice if he kept these on the clippers forum...his homerism has no bounds.

[Clutch]

stop with the threads. ak47, dwight and chris paul all to the clippers? :facepalm
Clippers lineup in 2012-13:

Chris Paul
Eric Gordon
Andrei Kirilenko
Blake Griffin
Dwight Howard

:lol

[knickswin]

I don't want to be one of those delusional Knicks fans that acts like playing in New York is worth leaving tens of millions on the table. According to Hollinger, he's losing $40 million by signing with New York instead of getting the extension. I am sure if another team trades for him or if New Orleans tries to hold on to him, there is a very high chance that he signs the extension.

This is kind of a frustrating situation for me because I think our best chance at getting him could be making a trade where we offer New Orleans salary relief, and I don't want to see another late trade where our post season is completely messed up. So either we get him that way or we probably don't get him.

I love Chris Paul's game, and I wish there were a way to get him on the Knicks, but I'm not looking forward to the drama, and I don't think he'd be willing to give up $40 million.

[Clutch]

I don't want to be one of those delusional Knicks fans that acts like playing in New York is worth leaving tens of millions on the table. According to Hollinger, he's losing $40 million by signing with New York instead of getting the extension. I am sure if another team trades for him or if New Orleans tries to hold on to him, there is a very high chance that he signs the extension.

This is kind of a frustrating situation for me because I think our best chance at getting him could be making a trade where we offer New Orleans salary relief, and I don't want to see another late trade where our post season is completely messed up. So either we get him that way or we probably don't get him.

I love Chris Paul's game, and I wish there were a way to get him on the Knicks, but I'm not looking forward to the drama, and I don't think he'd be willing to give up $40 million.
Forming a super team in New York would make his endorsement income skyrocket.
I think he would get as much money in New York as anywhere else.

But if you ask me I'm not so hyped about watching him on the Knicks.
He is a great player and no one can deny that.
But if we sign him then we basically have no room to sign anyone else.
Also he is often injured.

I would rather have D-Will,who also has some injury problems,than CP3.

Maybe it would be better for us to keep our core of Melo and Amare and surround them with defensive players and make a deep team who will get along well.
Who knows,only time will tell.

[Clippersfan86]

this.

it would be nice if he kept these on the clippers forum...his homerism has no bounds.

Yup. U MAD dude. You were mad all season long and you better believe you got a target on the back of your fat head from me this season. When the Clippers do turn the corner I'm gonna be putting your ass on blast left and right for all the crap you talk.

[thejumpa]

If CP3 wants to sign with the Knicks he will sign with them and there is nothing that can stop him.

Clippers or some other team have good assets and are willing to trade them for CP3 ? Fine,he won't sign extension unless the trade is coming from NY.

I don't say he only wants to go to Knicks,but my point is clear - If he wants to be a Knick - he will be a Knick

This is exactly what I think. No rule can stop him from signing with NY. I hope NO doesn't piss him off because it's going to be Melos situation all over again. Thing is, he won't force his way to NY by talking with them behind the scenes and forcing a trade.....he'll just reject whatever deal a team throws at him and wait it out until he can sign with whoever he wants. New Orleans is beyond ****ed at this point.

[Rowe]

Absolutely. If it's left up to CP3 he WILL choose Knicks. Problem is given the circumstances like CP3 likely being a sign and trade... and the fact that NY has no assets... it's very unlikely NY can make a play for him.

If the Clippers are dumb enough to trade away assets to acquire CP3 without an extension, they deserve to be snakebitten if he leaves in Free Agency to sign in New York. What it will boil down to is whether or not CP3 is going to sign an extension with any team New Orleans talks a trade with. What we do know is that he'd sign an extension to join the Knicks or Magic, but every other team is nothing more than speculation and it will be his decision to direct his career.

Trust me, if CP3 wants to be a Clipper. New Orleans will have that deal done & CP3 will have his extension signed to make that deal go through. In the process of joining Eric Gordon & Blake Griffin for a team to contend for Western Conference Titles, he will be passing up an opportunity to join his friends Melo & Amare in New York. Does he want to do that? I dont know, that is for him to decide.

Do you know why I think he will become a Knick? Because in the midst of searching for the best offer for CP3, they will reach an impasse behind whether or not CP3 will sign an extension to play for that team. This is where the Knicks come in to the picture. Our "best" trade assets in Iman Shumpert, Landry Fields, & Tony Douglas aren't exactly the best collection of young talent to replace a Franchise player but they are at the very least something to have at a cheap price in their rebuilding process. Just like with Denver, you have to make the decision of taking what you can get although it isn't the best you can get or getting nothing back in return.

Now lets talk Chauncey Billups expiring contract paired along with the expiring contracts of Ronny Turiaf, Bill Walker, Renaldo Balkman, Derrick Brown, Shawne Williams, & Andy Rautins. Would New Orleans not want to part with Emeka Okafor's contract in the process too? He's due $40 Million and hes nearing 30. That is something that their GM will have to evaluate as well considering regardless of trading CP3 in 2 weeks, at the Trade Deadline, or letting him leave in Free Agency is the certainty that New Orleans faces a rebuilding project on their hands. Is Emeka Okafor at $13 Million per year apart of that future? I'd think not. I'd think New Orleans would want nothing more than to be far under the cap with the ability to assemble an entirely new cast of players in Free Agency next summer to go with a high draft pick.

Now if a team trades away their assets for CP3 without wanting him to sign an extension, then what I posted is irrelevant. New Orleans would get what they want and whatever team who made that risky move will do their best to sell CP3 on staying there longterm. That trick is definetly up the sleeve of Mark Cuban who has nothing to lose.

[Clippersfan86]

If the Clippers are dumb enough to trade away assets to acquire CP3 without an extension, they deserve to be snakebitten if he leaves in Free Agency to sign in New York. What it will boil down to is whether or not CP3 is going to sign an extension with any team New Orleans talks a trade with. What we do know is that he'd sign an extension to join the Knicks or Magic, but every other team is nothing more than speculation and it will be his decision to direct his career.

Trust me, if CP3 wants to be a Clipper. New Orleans will have that deal done & CP3 will have his extension signed to make that deal go through. In the process of joining Eric Gordon & Blake Griffin for a team to contend for Western Conference Titles, he will be passing up an opportunity to join his friends Melo & Amare in New York. Does he want to do that? I dont know, that is for him to decide.

Do you know why I think he will become a Knick? Because in the midst of searching for the best offer for CP3, they will reach an impasse behind whether or not CP3 will sign an extension to play for that team. This is where the Knicks come in to the picture. Our "best" trade assets in Iman Shumpert, Landry Fields, & Tony Douglas aren't exactly the best collection of young talent to replace a Franchise player but they are at the very least something to have at a cheap price in their rebuilding process. Just like with Denver, you have to make the decision of taking what you can get although it isn't the best you can get or getting nothing back in return.

Now lets talk Chauncey Billups expiring contract paired along with the expiring contracts of Ronny Turiaf, Bill Walker, Renaldo Balkman, Derrick Brown, Shawne Williams, & Andy Rautins. Would New Orleans not want to part with Emeka Okafor's contract in the process too? He's due $40 Million and hes nearing 30. That is something that their GM will have to evaluate as well considering regardless of trading CP3 in 2 weeks, at the Trade Deadline, or letting him leave in Free Agency is the certainty that New Orleans faces a rebuilding project on their hands. Is Emeka Okafor at $13 Million per year apart of that future? I'd think not. I'd think New Orleans would want nothing more than to be far under the cap with the ability to assemble an entirely new cast of players in Free Agency next summer to go with a high draft pick.

Now if a team trades away their assets for CP3 without wanting him to sign an extension, then what I posted is irrelevant. New Orleans would get what they want and whatever team who made that risky move will do their best to sell CP3 on staying there longterm. That trick is definetly up the sleeve of Mark Cuban who has nothing to lose.

The whole point is CP3 has supposedly said he WILL sign an extension for the Clippers prior to trade. So we aren't risking assets to lose him. I have a dead serious question for Knicks fans and I want you to be HONEST.

Which trio is likely to be more successful over the next decade, have more chemistry and have more balance among themselves.

CP3
Gordon
Griffin

or

CP3
Melo
Amare

As a PG which duo is likely to flow with your game more. Ball movement, defense etc.

[knickswin]

I highly, highly doubt the difference between playing for the Knicks and playing for the Clippers is worth $40 million to him. If the Clippers trade for him, he will extend. In fact, I would bet he'd extend with nearly any team. If the Knicks want him, they will have to trade to trade for him and Chris Paul will have to play his cards right like Melo did and bluff like he'd consider not signing the extension. What a headache this is going to be.

[Clippersfan86]

I highly, highly doubt the difference between playing for the Knicks and playing for the Clippers is worth $40 million to him. If the Clippers trade for him, he will extend. In fact, I would bet he'd extend with nearly any team. If the Knicks want him, they will have to trade to trade for him and Chris Paul will have to play his cards right like Melo did and bluff like he'd consider not signing the extension. What a headache this is going to be.

To end up in NY CP3 basically has to pull a Melo like you said. Demand the Knicks and say he will refuse to sign any other deal. Unless Stern just wants to hand the Knicks future championships... in that case he will trade CP3 to NY for peanuts. If that happens there would be league wide outrage from owners who thought this CBA was going to help prevent the Miami and NY situation.

[kurple]

This guy will be worse than PB if Clippers start winning games

People want to play for the Lakers, not Clippers

[Rowe]

Forming a super team in New York would make his endorsement income skyrocket.
I think he would get as much money in New York as anywhere else.

But if you ask me I'm not so hyped about watching him on the Knicks.
He is a great player and no one can deny that.
But if we sign him then we basically have no room to sign anyone else.
Also he is often injured.

I would rather have D-Will,who also has some injury problems,than CP3.

Maybe it would be better for us to keep our core of Melo and Amare and surround them with defensive players and make a deep team who will get along well.
Who knows,only time will tell.

The only problem behind that is our 2 best players are scorers at the Forward positions who don't have the reputation for consistent defensive effort. As many have noted, there has not been a successful team with this dynamic of 2 scoring Forwards. The closest I can think of is Irving/Barkley & Bird/McHale, but even with those comparisons they aren't anything like this situation with Melo & Amare.

With all being said we'll have $20 Million in cap room to spend on assembling "defensive players" to go with those 2. The bad part is that we'll need 9 roster spots filled and then have a small exception($2.5 Million) for when we do hit the point we go over the cap.

I've heard the scenario of grabbing 2 of the Celtics Big 3 in KG & Ray Allen next summer, and then Steve Nash. We'd be old as dirt but have that defensive "edge" along with a Championship mentality. I could live with that experiment for a year or 2 if we put together a young bench and maybe we could get past Miami.

I've heard the scenario of signing Andrew Bynum, Greg Oden, Roy Hibbert, or Robin Lopez to "anchor" the post at Center. Then bringing back Felton to play PG. Im not really sold on that idea, but I would think that would keep us in the hunt firmly behind Miami in the East.

[alenleomessi]

cp3 would definitely be a better fit than howard, and will probably cost less

[NugzFan]

If CP3 wants to sign with the Knicks he will sign with them and there is nothing that can stop him.

Clippers or some other team have good assets and are willing to trade them for CP3 ? Fine,he won't sign extension unless the trade is coming from NY.

I don't say he only wants to go to Knicks,but my point is clear - If he wants to be a Knick - he will be a Knick

he wants to be a knick and get paid. no one will choose to be a knick for a huge paycut (despite what nyk fans think).

[Clippersfan86]

This guy will be worse than PB if Clippers start winning games

People want to play for the Lakers, not Clippers

I didn't forget you either Kurple. Hating ass mofo. You and Nugz are both going to be getting an earful from me this year. You lost your 3 best players and may lose your 4th too man. We are going to have a bit of a role reversal this season. I think Nuggets fans on ISH forgot what it was like to be a bad team.. and will soon learn some humility.

[NugzFan]

Yup. U MAD dude. You were mad all season long and you better believe you got a target on the back of your fat head from me this season. When the Clippers do turn the corner I'm gonna be putting your ass on blast left and right for all the crap you talk.

no, im not mad (well maybe at the countless worthless clipper threads you make every day). :rolleyes: you said the same thing last time. and its the same answer as last time since you forgot already.

you are a homer...a huge one (currently biggest on this site by far). and you post tons of clippers shit here every day. glad im not the only one who finds it stupid. according to you every FA is going to be a clipper. :oldlol:

and "putting my ass on blast left and right" :oldlol: (i actually laughed out loud when i read that...thanks for that)

[Clippersfan86]

no, im not mad (well maybe at the countless worthless clipper threads you make every day). :rolleyes: you said the same thing last time. and its the same answer as last time since you forgot already.

you are a homer...a huge one (currently biggest on this site by far). and you post tons of clippers shit here every day. glad im not the only one who finds it stupid. according to you every FA is going to be a clipper. :oldlol:

and "putting my ass on blast left and right" :oldlol: (i actually laughed out loud when i read that...thanks for that)

LMFAO. I posted 2 Clippers threads today and I post them about every two weeks or so. LOL at you suggesting I post Clippers threads every day or even every week. You're grasping for straws old timer. 90 percent of my ISH material is non Clipper related.

[NugzFan]

i just realized its homer clipper fans vs homer knick fans crying about how badly cp3 wants to play for ONLY their team...this thread has hope afterall. lets see who can out-homer the other side.

[Clippersfan86]

i just realized its homer clipper fans vs homer knick fans crying about how badly cp3 wants to play for ONLY their team...this thread has hope afterall. lets see who can out-homer the other side.

Hey.. I'll spare you the blade if you convert to a Clippers or Knicks fan. We know the Nuggets are sinking son. No Jr Smith, no Wilson Chandler, no Kenyon Martin.. and bye bye Nene.

[NugzFan]

I didn't forget you either Kurple. Hating ass mofo. You and Nugz are both going to be getting an earful from me this year. You lost your 3 best players and may lose your 4th too man. We are going to have a bit of a role reversal this season. I think Nuggets fans on ISH forgot what it was like to be a bad team.. and will soon learn some humility.

who says that? seriously...

btw, we lost our 3 best players? damnit.

and forgetting what its like to be a bad team isnt so bad...i guess that means we were pretty good for awhile. :confusedshrug:

i do love the fact that you are the biggest homer here and yet get 'mad' when people call you out on it. cant have it both ways.

[NugzFan]

Hey.. I'll spare you the blade if you convert to a Clippers or Knicks fan. We know the Nuggets are sinking son. No Jr Smith, no Wilson Chandler, no Kenyon Martin.. and bye bye Nene.

sinking like the clips did for decades? :confusedshrug:

dont care about the first 3...nene, not sure - depends on how much he signs for.

and no, not converting to a lac or nyk fan...i wonder which id choose if i had a gun to my head though. hmmm...

[Clippersfan86]

who says that? seriously...

btw, we lost our 3 best players? damnit.

and forgetting what its like to be a bad team isnt so bad...i guess that means we were pretty good for awhile. :confusedshrug:

i do love the fact that you are the biggest homer here and yet get 'mad' when people call you out on it. cant have it both ways.

Nobody else really calls me a homer besides a few homers like yourself who aren't regulars on ISH and a few bitter Cavs fans or other people I've gotten into it with. People have now realized... that despite my abrasive approach at times.. most of my posts are NON Clipper related. The homer title doesn't fit if I'm posting a Clippers topic every couple weeks does it?

Just because you have nothing to report out of lil ol Denver doesn't mean anybody who occasionally brings up their team is a homer. The Clippers aren't a common topic on ISH by any stretch of the imagination. Go ahead and do a search and I guarantee you won't find me posting a Clipper thread a week on average. During the season sure.. but not the last few months.

[NugzFan]

LMFAO. I posted 2 Clippers threads today and I post them about every two weeks or so. LOL at you suggesting I post Clippers threads every day or even every week. You're grasping for straws old timer. 90 percent of my ISH material is non Clipper related.

2 today, 4 yesterday, 10 the day before. blah blah blah...you post too much clipper-homer crap no matter how you try to spin it.

old timer? :confusedshrug: i guess if you are 12, most people are older than you here.

[Clippersfan86]

sinking like the clips did for decades? :confusedshrug:

dont care about the first 3...nene, not sure - depends on how much he signs for.

and no, not converting to a lac or nyk fan...i wonder which id choose if i had a gun to my head though. hmmm...

I don't live in the past. I live in the present. You should be more worried about what's just ahead for your team.

[Clippersfan86]

2 today, 4 yesterday, 10 the day before. blah blah blah...you post too much clipper-homer crap no matter how you try to spin it.

old timer? :confusedshrug: i guess if you are 12, most people are older than you here.

I'm actually 14 thank you very much.

[NugzFan]

Nobody else really calls me a homer besides a few homers like yourself who aren't regulars on ISH and a few bitter Cavs fans or other people I've gotten into it with. People have now realized... that despite my abrasive approach at times.. most of my posts are NON Clipper related. The homer title doesn't fit if I'm posting a Clippers topic every couple weeks does it?

Just because you have nothing to report out of lil ol Denver doesn't mean anybody who occasionally brings up their team is a homer. The Clippers aren't a common topic on ISH by any stretch of the imagination. Go ahead and do a search and I guarantee you won't find me posting a Clipper thread a week on average. During the season sure.. but not the last few months.

no one else calls you a homer? doesnt change the fact that you are...even you know it. im pretty sure you are trying to let everyone know (and doing a damn good job at it unfortunately). i wasnt trying to "diss you" with that "homie" - just stating a fact that we all know.

[Rowe]

The whole point is CP3 has supposedly said he WILL sign an extension for the Clippers prior to trade.
Rule of thumb #1. Never take Chris Broussard's word worth anything



There are, however, a few other teams Paul would consider signing extensions with, most notably the Los Angeles Clippers. Yes, the Clippers.

Now that Blake Griffin plays for L.A.’s other team, the Clippers have become a hot destination franchise. Stacked with young talent, they could offer any combination of Eric Gordon, Mo Williams, DeAndre Jordan, Chris Kaman and Al-Farouq Aminu.

But while the Clippers like Paul, sources say they like Dwight Howard even more. The Clippers have made it clear to executives throughout the league that they will do whatever it takes -- outside of trading Griffin -- to get Howard, who will become a free agent at the same time as Paul, either this season or next summer. So they will not move the players they’ll try to use to get Howard to New Orleans for Paul.

I want to know how exactly did you interpret what Broussard typed up?

Im trying to get a gauge on your reading comprehension because its clear that portion of the article alone has led you to begin creating the Chris Paul will be a Clipper
"dream scenario" and ruling out all other options.




I have a dead serious question for Knicks fans and I want you to be HONEST.

Which trio is likely to be more successful over the next decade, have more chemistry and have more balance among themselves.

CP3
Gordon
Griffin

or

CP3
Melo
Amare

As a PG which duo is likely to flow with your game more. Ball movement, defense etc.

Wins over the next decade? Clippers.

The Clippers could become a Title Contender at any time during the next 10 years. The addition of CP3 does not make them immediate favorites for a Title, but as Griffin & Gordon progress they will one day become a Title contender. How soon? Thats the question.



What will offer immediate Championship contention? Knicks.

The Knicks have a 5 year window of Title Contention. I dont see the city of New York handling a Big 3 that hasnt won a Title if they play together for any more than 5 years and haven't won a Championship.

As far as Chris Paul's game is concerned:



Amare is the best Pick & Roll PF in the NBA, thus D'Antoni can effectively run those same principles with Paul at PG that made Phoenix so competitive in a tougher Western Conference.

Blake Griffin so far looks to be better suited for lobs at the basket. Griffin statistically has shown to be far better off of screens at the basket or playing down low than he is as a Pick & Roll Man.

Carmelo's game doesn't clash with Paul's at all. Carmelo is one of the best one on one scorers in the NBA and he'll retain that role regardless of Paul's presence.

Eric Gordon can create his own shot & if he plays up to the level he had in the middle of the year he will emerge as a Top 5 SG soon. The only adjustment will be once again playing off the ball as he did with Baron Davis although Paul statistically is more ball dominant. That will change his approach to the game, although I assume it would be for the better.

CP3 benefits in either way.

[NugzFan]

I don't live in the past. I live in the present. You should be more worried about what's just ahead for your team.

if clipper fans lived in the past, they would all kill themselves. no shit you cant live in the past. :oldlol:

of course in a few years you will relive the good ole days of 2011-2012 since you wont have anything else to talk about.

[NugzFan]

I'm actually 14 thank you very much.

sorry about that.

[Clippersfan86]

There are, however, a few other teams Paul would consider signing extensions with, most notably the Los Angeles Clippers. Yes, the Clippers.

All I needed to read. Key section... all of it. MOST NOTABLY.

[knickswin]

he wants to be a knick and get paid. no one will choose to be a knick for a huge paycut (despite what nyk fans think).

I don't think that at all, no way is playing for the Knicks worth that type of a pay cut

[Clippersfan86]

if clipper fans lived in the past, they would all kill themselves. no shit you cant live in the past. :oldlol:

of course in a few years you will relive the good ole days of 2011-2012 since you wont have anything else to talk about.

I've admitted this myself. It takes a certain resilience, toughness, loyalty, optimism and even probably a little masochism that Nuggets fans wouldn't be able to relate to. Clippers fans are the strongest in the NBA mentally. If you think you have it hard as a fan of another team try being a Clippers fan.

[NugzFan]

I've admitted this myself. It takes a certain resilience, toughness, loyalty, optimism and even probably a little masochism that Nuggets fans wouldn't be able to relate to. Clippers fans are the strongest in the NBA mentally. If you think you have it hard as a fan of another team try being a Clippers fan.

based on what?

[Clippersfan86]

based on what?

Based on the fact that you can tolerate and endure the most heartbreaking sports franchise ever, of any sport quite possibly. You honestly don't think it takes something extra to stick by the Clippers? :oldlol:. You shouldn't even have to ask.

[kurple]

I didn't forget you either Kurple. Hating ass mofo. You and Nugz are both going to be getting an earful from me this year. You lost your 3 best players and may lose your 4th too man. We are going to have a bit of a role reversal this season. I think Nuggets fans on ISH forgot what it was like to be a bad team.. and will soon learn some humility.
Oh no, please don't!

[kurple]

There are, however, a few other teams Paul would consider signing extensions with, most notably the Los Angeles Clippers. Yes, the Clippers.

All I needed to read. Key section... all of it. MOST NOTABLY.
I don't see any quotes from CP himself

[Clippersfan86]

Oh no, please don't!

Oh you better believe! I'm going to type 85 WPM until you die of a text overdose.

[Clippersfan86]

I don't see any quotes from CP himself

How often do superstar players tell the media about these types of things? Not everyone is like Melo.

[NugzFan]

Oh no, please don't!

dude, hes gonna blast your azz left and right off da shizzle!

or something like that.

[Clutch]

There are, however, a few other teams Paul would consider signing extensions with, most notably the Los Angeles Clippers. Yes, the Clippers.

All I needed to read. Key section... all of it. MOST NOTABLY.
Key word is CONSIDER.

Would consider and would sign is very different.

[Clippersfan86]

dude, hes gonna blast your azz left and right off da shizzle!

or something like that.

My attempt to talk ghetto and mess with you apparently was taken as me being serious. You read my posts enough to know I don't talk like that.... :no:

[kurple]

How often do superstar players tell the media about these types of things? Not everyone is like Melo.
Exatcly.. So it's most likely that Boussard doesn't know what he's talking about

[Rowe]

I don't think that at all, no way is playing for the Knicks worth that type of a pay cut

Im trying to figure out where this talk of a "paycut" is coming from.

Every article I've seen has mentioned that the 2012 class of Free Agents will be able to capitalize on their Max contracts including Restricted Free Agents like Rose, Westbrook, Love, Gordon, etc.

The Knicks would be able to offer Chris Paul a Max contract as a Free Agent.

Is a 5/$80 Million deal as good as a 3/$60 Million extension? No.

However, him giving up $40 Million to play here is unfounded.

[kurple]

And you saying that WC, JR and KMart were our 3 best players says it all really

[Clippersfan86]

Key word is CONSIDER.

Would consider and would sign is very different.

You need to use common sense bro. CP3 would be leaving supposedly tons of money the table if he waits for free agency. By default this article is implying the Clippers have the best shot based on the circumstances. It's all rumor and mystery "sources" but when you look at it logically it's accurate.

Not a single big city team in the NBA can offer NO what Clippers can. Which is why he threw in the second best offer from Atlanta which seemed so pathetic. Literally ZERO big market teams can offer half of what the Clippers can.

[Clippersfan86]

And you saying that WC, JR and KMart were our 3 best players says it all really

Well.. Kenyon was your best defender, JR was your 6th man and Wilson Chandler was arguably your statistically best player next to Nene who you will likely lose. That's a massive amount of contribution to lose. You shouldn't expect more than 20 wins this season.

[knickswin]

Im trying to figure out where this talk of a "paycut" is coming from.

Every article I've seen has mentioned that the 2012 class of Free Agents will be able to capitalize on their Max contracts including Restricted Free Agents like Rose, Westbrook, Love, Gordon, etc.

The Knicks would be able to offer Chris Paul a Max contract as a Free Agent.

Is a 5/$80 Million deal as good as a 3/$60 Million extension? No.

However, him giving up $40 Million to play here is unfounded.

Hollinger says its 5years/$98million versus 4years/$57million. What are the numbers other guys are giving?

[Rowe]

Key word is CONSIDER.

Would consider and would sign is very different.

Yep.

Just like Carmelo would consider signing an extension with New Jersey, but because he wouldn't sign it made that deal fall through. Denver would've ended up with a much better deal from New Jersey had he signed.

I'll deal with the Chris Paul to the Clippers stuff when he signs an extension to play there.

In the same article, I am intrigued by the Clippers being more interested in using their assets to acquire Dwight Howard. That makes a ton of sense. A 25 year old Dwight Howard and 22 year old Blake Griffin would be an interesting duo to watch. That move, more-so than a CP3 deal would put the Clippers in Title contention immediately.

[Clutch]

You need to use common sense bro. CP3 would be leaving supposedly 40 mill on the table if he waits for free agency. By default this article is implying the Clippers have the best shot based on the circumstances. It's all rumor and mystery "sources" but when you look at it logically it's accurate.

Not a single big city team in the NBA can offer NO what Clippers can. Which is why he threw in the second best offer from Atlanta which seemed so pathetic. Literally ZERO big market teams can offer half of what the Clippers can.
I'm not going to argue with you.
CP3 might not end up in the Knicks but he won't end up in the Clippers too.
Bookmark this post and make fun of me if I was wrong.

[Clippersfan86]

I'm not going to argue with you.
CP3 might not end up in the Knicks but he won't end up in the Clippers too.
Bookmark this post and make fun of me if I was wrong.

Nothing to be mad about. Both teams are going to be very good soon. CP3 or no CP3.

[Rowe]

Hollinger says its 5years/$98million versus 4years/$57million. What are the numbers other guys are giving?

You got a link to that? From Hollinger.

All of the reports are that the Max contracts next offseason will be 25% of the salary cap which will start at $17.4 Million in Year 1.



Signing Derrick Rose to a maximum contract extension that will start at $17.4 million because of the CBA’s new language.
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/other_nba/view.bg?articleid=1384048&srvc=sports&position=recent


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/27/sports/basketball/several-issues-nba-players-wouldnt-concede-in-labor-negotiations.html?_r=2&src=tp

[knickswin]

You got a link to that? From Hollinger.

All of the reports are that the Max contracts next offseason will be 25% of the salary cap which will start at $17.4 Million in Year 1.


http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/other_nba/view.bg?articleid=1384048&srvc=sports&position=recent


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/27/sports/basketball/several-issues-nba-players-wouldnt-concede-in-labor-negotiations.html?_r=2&src=tp

it's on ESPN's home page. I think it's an insider article, so I can't read it, but that's what people are saying.

[Clippersfan86]

Someone post the Hollinger insider article.

[Rooster]

I think Chris Paul will sign with the Knicks. I just have that feeling that he's been looking forward to team up with Melo and Amare. I do feel that if Hornets will trade him, clippers have some nice chips but it will depend on whether CP3 will sign an extension. And that is why It will be interesting to see how far Griffin takes them and Sterling will commit. Chris Paul might change his mind if that happen this season. At this point of his career where he is in his prime, I don't think he wants waste that with an up and coming team.

[kurple]

Well.. Kenyon was your best defender, JR was your 6th man and Wilson Chandler was arguably your statistically best player next to Nene who you will likely lose. That's a massive amount of contribution to lose. You shouldn't expect more than 20 wins this season.
:roll:

You don't think we will get 20 wins? I hope that's your anger speaking and not your brain.

WE HAVE THE MOST CAP SPACE IN THE NBA, IT'S NOT LIKE WE WON'T GET REPLACEMENTS

Kenyon was a good defender, not our best but good. But he's usless on offense, and isn't a great rebounder.. Faried and Landry/Diaw/Thompson can EASILY replace him. I am positive it would be an improvement actually.

JR is an idiot and will never mature.. I'm glad he's gone.. He was great for the 10 games a season he showed up.

WC got everything I want in our backup SG/SF, but his TERRIBLE, and I mean TERRIBLE playoff preformance turned me.

We got Afflalo and Gallo at the 2 and 3. That leaves room for one regular backup as well as Jordan Hamilton if needed. There are MANY wingmen that could take that role and we got the money to get one of the best.

[senelcoolidge]

The Clippers should pursue CP3. After that a SF. Resign Jordan. CP3 is a much better fit on the team than Howard. With an All Star PG that automatically makes the rest of the team better. You could even start Gomes if CP3 is the PG. Jordan is like a poor man's Howard..he's good enough for now.

[Clippersfan86]

:roll:

You don't think we will get 20 wins? I hope that's your anger speaking and not your brain.

WE HAVE THE MOST CAP SPACE IN THE NBA, IT'S NOT LIKE WE WON'T GET REPLACEMENTS

Kenyon was a good defender, not our best but good. But he's usless on offense, and isn't a great rebounder.. Faried and Landry/Diaw/Thompson can EASILY replace him. I am positive it would be an improvement actually.

JR is an idiot and will never mature.. I'm glad he's gone.. He was great for the 10 games a season he showed up.

WC got everything I want in our backup SG/SF, but his TERRIBLE, and I mean TERRIBLE playoff preformance turned me.

We got Afflalo and Gallo at the 2 and 3. That leaves room for one regular backup as well as Jordan Hamilton if needed. There are MANY wingmen that could take that role and we got the money to get one of the best.

I'm glad you feel confident with a core of Afflalo and Gallinari going forward man. That's a great example of optimism! Maybe crazy but still good attitude. BTW 20 wins in a 66 game season... realistic goal with the Nuggets current squad. I'm not sure if the Nuggets, Raptors or Bobcats have a better roster right now.

[NugzFan]

I'm glad you feel confident with a core of Afflalo and Gallinari going forward man. That's a great example of optimism! Maybe crazy but still good attitude. BTW 20 wins in a 66 game season... realistic goal with the Nuggets current squad. I'm not sure if the Nuggets, Raptors or Bobcats have a better roster right now.

oh no. :eek:

[Rooster]

The Clippers should pursue CP3. After that a SF. Resign Jordan. CP3 is a much better fit on the team than Howard. With an All Star PG that automatically makes the rest of the team better. You could even start Gomes if CP3 is the PG. Jordan is like a poor man's Howard..he's good enough for now.

The Clippers can offer him the world but I don't think the feeling is mutual. You can tell that during last year free agent frenzy. With all the big names signing left and right, Clippers was not even in the run for any of them.

[Blue&Orange]

@Chris_Broussard
Chris Paul's first choice is to play for the Knicks, sources say. He's willing to wait & sign w/NYK as free agent next summer.
:rolleyes:


Love it. Basically Knicks don't have any assets NO would want and the league isn't going to do a peanuts for superstar steal while they own the Hornets. He lists the Clippers as being the clear cut frontrunners. Says Paul has no interest in OKC despite the rumors of Westbrook for CP3.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/33566/chris-paul-and-new-yorks-hopes
I'm sure Cleveland and Toronto didn't want to lose Lebron and Bosh for peanuts... Knicks can give a pick and a young guy and Billups, better than the trade exception Cavs and Raptors got. But it all comes down to what CP really wants, i'm sure he really wants to go to the Knicks, with his buddies over there and all, the question is how much. Does he reject to extend for any other team that offers a better package to NO, forcing NO to take what the Knicks offer? That's the question right there.

It makes sense to the Knicks to gut a team a little bit and go for a trade, cause if he signs as a FA, the team will be gutted anyway.

[kurple]

I'm glad you feel confident with a core of Afflalo and Gallinari going forward man. That's a great example of optimism! Maybe crazy but still good attitude. BTW 20 wins in a 66 game season... realistic goal with the Nuggets current squad. I'm not sure if the Nuggets, Raptors or Bobcats have a better roster right now.
So we go from the second best record in the NBA to the worst, without losing any key/unreplaceble players and with our young guys continuing to improve?

[Clippersfan86]

The Clippers can offer him the world but I don't think the feeling is mutual. You can tell that during last year free agent frenzy. With all the big names signing left and right, Clippers was not even in the run for any of them.

CP3 has praised the Clippers direction multiple times in recent months. There's even an interview of him saying Griffin is one of the very few players in the NBA who play the right way and he's also said he would love to play with someone like Griffin.

[Clippersfan86]

So we go from the second best record in the NBA to the worst, without losing any key/unreplaceble players and with our young guys continuing to improve?

I think you're REALLY underestimating the collective talent of Chandler, Jr Smith and Kenyon Martin whom were all a huge part of the Nuggets strong finish last season. Maybe in the playoffs they under performed but we aren't talking about the playoffs. If you lose Nene.. as well.. you're done.

[kurple]

I think you're REALLY underestimating the collective talent of Chandler, Jr Smith and Kenyon Martin whom were all a huge part of the Nuggets strong finish last season. Maybe in the playoffs they under performed but we aren't talking about the playoffs. If you lose Nene.. as well.. you're done.
Who knows better how much WC, JR and KMart did for the Nuggets, Nuggets fans or a 12 year old Clippers fan that's mad because the Nuggets fans called him an homer?

But I agree, that we are done without Nene. Not the same team without him. He's unreplacable, unlike WC, JR and KMart..

All we need to do is add a SG ala Roy/JRich/Rush/Lee etc and a PF ala Landy, Diaw, Thompson, Ilyasova etc. And we got the money to do so.

[Rooster]

I think you're REALLY underestimating the collective talent of Chandler, Jr Smith and Kenyon Martin whom were all a huge part of the Nuggets strong finish last season. Maybe in the playoffs they under performed but we aren't talking about the playoffs. If you lose Nene.. as well.. you're done.

I share the same sentiment. I think they did well in the regular season because of their depth but without those 3 and Nene anchoring their defense they will like see the ping pong balls next year.

[Clippersfan86]

Who knows better how much WC, JR and KMart did for the Nuggets, Nuggets fans or a 12 year old Clippers fan that's mad because the Nuggets fans called him an homer?

But I agree, that we are done without Nene. Not the same team without him. He's unreplacable, unlike WC, JR and KMart..

All we need to do is add a SG ala Roy/JRich/Rush/Lee etc and a PF ala Landy, Diaw, Thompson, Ilyasova etc. And we got the money to do so.

Nene is the most important piece as I said... but you honestly don't think the COMBINED loss of KMart, WC and JR will affect the team at all? Andre Miller is likely to be amnestied too. He's actually the first one in the most likely amnesties article today from ESPN.

[Rooster]

CP3 has praised the Clippers direction multiple times in recent months. There's even an interview of him saying Griffin is one of the very few players in the NBA who play the right way and he's also said he would love to play with someone like Griffin.

Action speaks louder than words. What the Clippers need is a strong start so they grow their confidence as a team and CP3 might just put his words into actions. I can remember the year when the upstart Lakers went to Orlando and beat them and Shaq had those eyes like he wanted to be a Laker. I think it became a factor in his decision later on.

[Clippersfan86]

Action speaks louder than words. What the Clippers need is a strong start so they grow their confidence as a team and CP3 might just put his words into actions. I can remember the year when the upstart Lakers went to Orlando and beat them and Shaq had those eyes like he wanted to be a Laker. I think it became a factor in his decision later on.

It's a good thing we have half of this season or so to prove it then huh? I can see Howard getting moved early in season because everybody knows he's gone.. but not CP3. They will likely wait till near deadline or draft.

[raptorfan_dr07]

I'm not sure if the Nuggets, Raptors or Bobcats have a better roster right now.

Hey I'll settle for one of the three worst records in the NBA :lol Bring on the 2012 draft :banana:

And Clippersfan, you should be excited about your team. One of the top young collections of talent in the NBA. I'm in LA and I try and go to a few games a year. I just feel a little ashamed that by doing so, I'm supporting a jack@$$ in Donald Sterling. Can't stand that guy.

I do hope though that the Clippers end up getting one of Deron Williams, Chris Paul, or Dwight Howard. I have a gut feeling that the Knicks are gonna end up with one of those three. Which one, that remains to be seen, but they're gonna get one of them no doubt. I would love nothing more than to see those three guys teaming up with other superstars in big markets. I guess Deron's kinda already there if he re-ups with the Nets with them going to Brooklyn and all.

Before this summer, if you were to ask my opinion on the state of the NBA, I most likely would have been in favor of smaller market teams. But after all the BS the small market owners pulled in regards to the lockout, I would love for these stars to team up with others and form "super" teams in huge markets. Spit in the faces of those owners. It would be great for the NBA if Los Angeles had TWO teams that were garnering tons of media attention.

[Clutch]

It's a good thing we have half of this season or so to prove it then huh? I can see Howard getting moved early in season because everybody knows he's gone.. but not CP3. They will likely wait till near deadline or draft.
In my opinion there is a bigger chance that Dwight will stay in Orlando than that CP3 will stay in New Orleans.

[Fiasco]

D-Will to LAC, let's start a movement people!

[bluechox2]

chris boussard starting the season with so much bullshit as if his job is on the line.

[kurple]

Nene is the most important piece as I said... but you honestly don't think the COMBINED loss of KMart, WC and JR will affect the team at all? Andre Miller is likely to be amnestied too. He's actually the first one in the most likely amnesties article today from ESPN.You are really clueless if you thin Dre will get amnestied.. I can personally guarantee you that that will not happen.

You fail to see my point again and again. Sure, losing K, WC and JR would make us a worse team IF WE DON'T ADD ANYONE ELSE.

Why the **** wouldn't we add anyone? Tell me that. Please. And as said before, they won't be too hard to replace.

[Clutch]

chris boussard starting the season with so much bullshit as if his job is on the line.
:lol

[Fiasco]

Deron Williams is a much better fit for us. Has the strengths of both Baron Davis and Mo Williams, without any of their weaknesses. Can ISO, P&R, drive and dish... he would be the last piece we'd need for us to contend, in my opinion.

Having two other #1 options in Gordon & Griffin would certainly make his life easier, and though his scoring stats would come down we'd be a far more effective team overall.

Paul, as far as I know, doesn't seem to cope particularly well without a P&R game unless he's being guarded by a Laker.

I like Williams' size on defense, especially considering our SG is small for his position. He's probably not as good of a help defender as CP3 is, but that's just a testament to how good Chris Paul is and not a slight on D-Will.

He would probably cost the most between the three "alleged" stars we are after (Paul, Howard, Williams), but he'd be the best fit here. At least to me.

If we can't get him, Chris Paul isn't a bad consolation prize.

[ItsTwisted]

As a Laker fan, I would love nothing more then for the Clippers to become contenders so that the LA area has two awesome teams to root for.

But if we are going to be realistic, it is hard for superstar players to come to LA and play with the Clippers and live under Kobe's shadow, and in the shadow of the Lakers. As much as these guys all pretend to be humble, they all have egos, and for a guy like Chris Paul, where he was the center of attention in New Orleans, to now go to a team where Griffin is already a star and to a city where Kobe is "king", I think would be difficult regardless of the money.

His situation is ideal in NY which is where I have a feeling he is going to end up. For the past year or so, he has been very vocal about going to New York and playing with Melo and Amare and it wouldnt surprise me one bit, if he did pull a Melo and forced a trade to NY. After what Lebron and Bosh did, I think all of the superstars of the league were trying to find ways in which they could team up with someone to counterattack and the best situation right now is NY, especially for a guy like CP3.

Now Howard, I feel like he may be headed to LA, but probably the Lakers. Like CP3 being vocal about NY, Dwight has been local about coming to the Lakers and playing with Kobe. I guess this is all a waiting game and well soon find out, I am just happy we have basketball back.

[MeLO MvP 15]

People have to realize that the Chris Paul situation IS NOT the same as the Melo situation. First of all, there won't be as much of a difference between the contracts he signs as a FA or trade. That lowers New Orleans' leverage.

The big reason there was such a big emphasis on a trade for Melo instead of him waiting for free agency was because everyone knew there'd be a lockout and it would've been foolish of him to opt out in a lockout and leave the 4 years $80 million on the table (the $62 mil 3 year extension plus the year he doesn't opt out of by default of signing an extension). That basically meant that Carmelo had leverage, but not as much as Paul (or Dwight or Deron) does because unlike Denver had, New Orleans doesn't have the threat of not trading him at all and forcing him to settle on a much smaller deal because if they say "we won't trade you" then he'll just leave as a FA without losing as much money as Melo would've.

Any leverage Paul, Dwight or Deron has goes to basically whichever his first choice team is because unless they say they'll settle on between two or three teams, then New Orleans really would have no negotiating power. Then again, I doubt New Orleans trades Paul without an owner, I bet they try really hard to sell the team soon so the new owner at least has a chance to keep CP.

[bagelred]

Has anyone actually looked at the payroll for themselves? If you do, you'll see Paul will have to take a pay cut to join the Knicks. It doesn't seem feasible he could get the full max......

[Knicks101]

So, Clippers fans in 2011-2012 = Nets fans in 2010-2011?

[niko]

I hope the Clippers get Howard. That means the Lakers do not get him (total win) and also that Deron all of a sudden would probably be in play (because he'd wait till offseason to sign). BTW, i think there is good chance we get Paul, he clearly wants to come to NY, even the bigger Knick hater could see that. He wants to play with Melo and Amare in the 2nd big three. The less talented one that actually fits together.

I also don't get how this topic translated to NY Knicks have very little chance of Paul when it said we are his first choice. All he needs to do is say "i won't sign any extension until offseason". Kills the trade market.

[Blue&Orange]

If you lose Nene.. as well.. you're done.
Who needs Nene when you got GODMozgov!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL9NNhibWks

I miss him :cry:

[Fiasco]

Who needs Nene when you got GODMozgov!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL9NNhibWks

I miss him :cry:

I am dumbfounded he actually has a highlight mix on YouTube.

(That doesn't include him getting severely posterized by Griffin, obviously)

[Fiasco]

That was a NASTY dunk at the beginning there.

[KOBE24isdabest]

http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/7068943/640/Jersey-Switches/chrispaulblakegriffin.jpg (http://picturepush.com/public/7068943)

if you can see it

[Rowe]

Has anyone actually looked at the payroll for themselves? If you do, you'll see Paul will have to take a pay cut to join the Knicks. It doesn't seem feasible he could get the full max......

Im looking at the payroll.

He'd have to take a small paycut, assuming we pick up Douglas' option and Balkman on the team.

If we don't have those salaries counting against our cap. CP3 can get the max.

[bagelred]

Im looking at the payroll.

He'd have to take a small paycut, assuming we pick up Douglas' option and Balkman on the team.

If we don't have those salaries counting against our cap. CP3 can get the max.

You forgot about Iman Shumpert.....and Landry Fields who is restricted. And you need cap holds for a certain amount of players.

[DevilsAssassin]

http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/7068943/640/Jersey-Switches/chrispaulblakegriffin.jpg (http://picturepush.com/public/7068943)

if you can see it

:applause:

[MeLO MvP 15]

You forgot about Iman Shumpert.....and Landry Fields who is restricted. And you need cap holds for a certain amount of players.
Shumpert's contract will be around $2 million (I'll assume this around the 2nd year value of a contract of the 17th pick) and Fields' cap hold won't be more than $2-3 million. Unless they drastically changed the bird rights rules (which in my understanding they haven't outside of years and % decreases), we should be able to sign Paul and then re-sign Fields in a similar way that Miami re-signed Joel Anthony after signing LeBron/ Wade/ Bosh. That being said, I think it'd be reasonable to assume if we have to (and we most likely will) trade Douglas along with Balkman to sign CP, Dwight or Deron. I can't imagine a team like Sacramento, Minny or any team under the cap or with a TPE saying no to a package of Douglas and Balkman for maybe a 2nd rounder. That would leave us with Amar'e, Melo, Shumpert (estimated $2 mil), Landry's cap hold (I'll use $2 mil as an estimate) the 8 vet minimum cap holds, which by my math has us around $45 million leaving us with around $13 million in cap space for Paul. That isn't max, but I do think if he makes it as a FA, he'd sacrifice a few million (although comparing it to New Orlean's offer it's a tens of millions) to sign in NY.

[Rowe]

You forgot about Iman Shumpert.....and Landry Fields who is restricted. And you need cap holds for a certain amount of players.
Iman Shumpert's contract will only be $1.5 Million.

Landry Fields Cap Hold is for the Veterans Minimum.

They are not factors at all preventing us from signing Chris Paul.


Sorry, we are going to pursue Chris Paul rather than go after Anderson Varejao and Cavs PG not named Kyrie Irving.

[christian1923]

Amare and Melo gotta take some slight paycuts to help the team out!

[Rowe]

Shumpert's contract will be around $2 million (I'll assume this around the 2nd year value of a contract of the 17th pick)
$1.5 Million in 2011-2012
$1.6 Million in 2012-2013

Apparently all of the rookie contracts will not change from last season.

Im basing this off of Kevin Seraphin's contract.


and Fields' cap hold won't be more than $2-3 million.
As a 2nd round pick, his cap hold is for the veterans minimum of $1 Million.


Unless they drastically changed the bird rights rules (which in my understanding they haven't outside of years and % decreases), we should be able to sign Paul and then re-sign Fields in a similar way that Miami re-signed Joel Anthony after signing LeBron/ Wade/ Bosh.
Yep.



That being said, I think it'd be reasonable to assume if we have to (and we most likely will) trade Douglas along with Balkman to sign CP, Dwight or Deron. I can't imagine a team like Sacramento, Minny or any team under the cap or with a TPE saying no to a package of Douglas and Balkman for maybe a 2nd rounder.

I think that is very likely. Douglas really serves no purpose considering Shumpert is a SG who can play backup PG minutes. We'll probably sign a veteran backup PG like Earl Watson for the minimum after we've got our core together.





That would leave us with Amar'e, Melo, Shumpert (estimated $2 mil), Landry's cap hold (I'll use $2 mil as an estimate) the 8 vet minimum cap holds, which by my math has us around $45 million leaving us with around $13 million in cap space for Paul. That isn't max, but I do think if he makes it as a FA, he'd sacrifice a few million (although comparing it to New Orlean's offer it's a tens of millions) to sign in NY.
We'll probably renounce the vet minimum cap holds from this upcoming season. None of them factor into our longterm future.

Im just assuming our team will be entirely different from this season into the 2012-2013 season outside of CP3, Melo, & Amare. If we do end up trading for CP3, then Shumpert, Fields, & Douglas will have to each be in that package.

I just cant believe New Orleans would turn down getting back at least 3 players in return for CP3. Douglas, Shumpert, & Fields could play significant minutes for New Orleans.

[Rowe]

Amare and Melo gotta take some slight paycuts to help the team out!
They cant.

The bad part about these contracts is that they're locked in.

If it were possible I am certain stand-up guys like Melo & Amare would give up $2-4 Million of their salary in order to create room for us to get CP3 in here.

[eliteballer]

Keep this in mind. The Knicks can sign someone ELSE with the cap space they get this summer, then use that as part of a package to trade for Paul before NEXT years trade deadline...

[bagelred]

I just cant believe New Orleans would turn down getting back at least 3 players in return for CP3. Douglas, Shumpert, & Fields could play significant minutes for New Orleans.

:facepalm

[niko]

I feel pretty optimistic on Paul. I think he really wants to come here, which will be spread back channel and screw up any significant bidding for him. If he gets to FA, he's a Knick. I have no doubt on that. THe only thing that would screw us up i think is a dallas (I think they want Deron), LA (either team, and i think they both want Howard and i think Lakers only Howard) swooping in. This thought he goes to Atlanta and extends is funny. That was a long time ago he wanted to be there.

So of course it's no lock (what is) but it's a decent chance. Bagel, are you going to be the voice of doom on this too like with Melo?

[Fiasco]

http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/7068943/640/Jersey-Switches/chrispaulblakegriffin.jpg (http://picturepush.com/public/7068943)

if you can see it

:roll:

:applause: :applause:

[yobore]

I've been thinking it would be the Clips for a while now. Griffin/DJ is the perfect frontcourt for CP and no one else has anything good to offer New Orleans except OKC who he probably wouldn't sign an extension for.

[Rowe]

:facepalm

Better than nothing.

I like each player's future and believe each is capable of averaging 13 PPG or more in the NBA if they were a starter. Basically they at least project to have a good peak in their careers soon. New Orleans will be surprised at what they get back although many have doubts about the package we can offer.

Shumpert to me has potential to be a Larry Hughes type of player.
Douglas, when moved back to a SG role can be an effective 6th Man.
Fields was productive as a rookie, but with an improved handle and a role outside of spot shooting I could see him being a quality starting SF.

[knickswin]

People have to realize that the Chris Paul situation IS NOT the same as the Melo situation. First of all, there won't be as much of a difference between the contracts he signs as a FA or trade. That lowers New Orleans' leverage.

The big reason there was such a big emphasis on a trade for Melo instead of him waiting for free agency was because everyone knew there'd be a lockout and it would've been foolish of him to opt out in a lockout and leave the 4 years $80 million on the table (the $62 mil 3 year extension plus the year he doesn't opt out of by default of signing an extension). That basically meant that Carmelo had leverage, but not as much as Paul (or Dwight or Deron) does because unlike Denver had, New Orleans doesn't have the threat of not trading him at all and forcing him to settle on a much smaller deal because if they say "we won't trade you" then he'll just leave as a FA without losing as much money as Melo would've.

Any leverage Paul, Dwight or Deron has goes to basically whichever his first choice team is because unless they say they'll settle on between two or three teams, then New Orleans really would have no negotiating power. Then again, I doubt New Orleans trades Paul without an owner, I bet they try really hard to sell the team soon so the new owner at least has a chance to keep CP.

the situations seem very similar to me. Chris Paul won't be giving up as much money as Carmelo would have, but he's still giving up a lot of money. Too much to overlook.

[Duncan21formvp]

Wouldn't mind seeing CP3 on the Clippers actually. That is a franchise yearning for a champion.

[Fiasco]

Wouldn't mind seeing CP3 on the Clippers actually. That is a franchise yearning for a champion.

I would rather have D-Will, but I think I'm the only Clipper fan who wants him. :oldlol:

Everyone is scared he's a cancer ever since the Sloan-Williams fiasco (no pun intended), but I think it's BS personally.

Also, this makes it even easier to rape online with 2K12.

[bagelred]

Better than nothing.


You do realize the NBA owns the Hornets right? So you think the 29 NBA owners, who collectively each own a piece of the Hornets, will be happy with gifting a Top 10 player to the Knicks? For three role players? Well, I guess it's 28 + Dolan.....

Uh.....think again......that will never happen. ESPECIALLY to the Knicks......the conspiracy theories and outrage would be through the roof.

[themurph]

$1.5 Million in 2011-2012
$1.6 Million in 2012-2013

Apparently all of the rookie contracts will not change from last season.

Im basing this off of Kevin Seraphin's contract.


As a 2nd round pick, his cap hold is for the veterans minimum of $1 Million.


Yep.




I think that is very likely. Douglas really serves no purpose considering Shumpert is a SG who can play backup PG minutes. We'll probably sign a veteran backup PG like Earl Watson for the minimum after we've got our core together.




We'll probably renounce the vet minimum cap holds from this upcoming season. None of them factor into our longterm future.

Im just assuming our team will be entirely different from this season into the 2012-2013 season outside of CP3, Melo, & Amare. If we do end up trading for CP3, then Shumpert, Fields, & Douglas will have to each be in that package.

I just cant believe New Orleans would turn down getting back at least 3 players in return for CP3. Douglas, Shumpert, & Fields could play significant minutes for New Orleans.

U def. have the money to sign Paul....But chill with thinking that NO will except any of those players...lol...If Paul comes to NYC it will be through straight up free agency...Otherwise, it's not happening...

[longtime lurker]

You do realize the NBA owns the Hornets right? So you think the 29 NBA owners, who collectively each own a piece of the Hornets, will be happy with gifting a Top 10 player to the Knicks? For three role players? Well, I guess it's 28 + Dolan....

Uh.....think again......that will never happen. ESPECIALLY to the Knicks......the conspiracy theories and outrage would be through the roof.

I honestly don't think he gets traded at all this season. Think about the criticism the NBA would get if he goes to a small market(Stern forcing star players to small markets) or a big market(do I even need to explain?). Not to mention it will scare off potential buyers for the team if they know their all NBA point guard won't be there. If the Knicks can offer a contract starting at 15 mil per he'll go there.

[Clippersfan86]

Rich Bucher just implied that the Clippers have the best package/assets of any team to offer NO. That's obvious news though. Only team that can offer as much as OKC and Paul supposedly will not re sign for OKC. Knicks or Clippers baby! This reminds me of... when Kobe supposedly almost chose the Clippers he said. He said it was literally as close as the toss of a coin.

Let's see if we win this time.

[bluechox2]

Rich Bucher just implied that the Clippers have the best package/assets of any team to offer NO. That's obvious news though. Only team that can offer as much as OKC and Paul supposedly will not re sign for OKC. Knicks or Clippers baby! This reminds me of... when Kobe supposedly almost chose the Clippers he said. He said it was literally as close as the toss of a coin.

Let's see if we win this time.

clips have the best chance, its just how long will the lakers wait around till they jump into the trading game

[Fiasco]

OLSHEY.

GET. DERON. INSTEAD.

Let the Knicks have CP3, for god's sakes.

[Clippersfan86]

clips have the best chance, its just how long will the lakers wait around till they jump into the trading game

Yea obviously CP3 is NOT getting moved for months anyways. Chances of Dwight, CP3 or Deron being traded even 30 days before the deadline is astronomically low. Teams will want to see the value of Clippers Minny pick first. Wolves are expected to still be bad.. but if for some reason they are solid or good.. the value goes down tremendously. Even without 2012 pick though the Clippers have a ton of good assets like Gordon, Jordan, Bledsoe and expiring Kaman.

[senelcoolidge]

OLSHEY.

GET. DERON. INSTEAD.

Let the Knicks have CP3, for god's sakes.

I think Deron would be a better fit. So get either him or Paul. One of them will be Clipper. Forget Howard. DJ is good enough to grab some rebounds and play defense. A great point automatically makes everyone else better.

[bluechox2]

getting howard will be like putting a straight-jacket on blakes development, clips best off getting a pg that can dish to blake as the main man

[Rooster]

Better than nothing.

I like each player's future and believe each is capable of averaging 13 PPG or more in the NBA if they were a starter. Basically they at least project to have a good peak in their careers soon. New Orleans will be surprised at what they get back although many have doubts about the package we can offer.

Shumpert to me has potential to be a Larry Hughes type of player.
Douglas, when moved back to a SG role can be an effective 6th Man.
Fields was productive as a rookie, but with an improved handle and a role outside of spot shooting I could see him being a quality starting SF.

New Orleans can certainly get better players than that. Why would they let Knicks rob them blind. The Clips can offer Bledsoe and Gordon and the Minny pick and the Hornets will rather and certainly entertain that.

[chips93]

for all the talk of who can offer the most, all it come down to, is where does he want to play. it doesnt matter if the your team can offer more, if cp3 has decided he wants to play somewhere else, hes probably going to end up going there. we saw that with melo.

if cp3 is determined to be a knick (obviously nobody really knows his full intentions, maybe even he doesnt) then hes going to end up on the knicks.


getting howard will be like putting a straight-jacket on blakes development, clips best off getting a pg that can dish to blake as the main man

i think if you have the chance to get an elite talent like cp3 or dwight, you take it, dont wait around. opportunites to get a star of their calibre dont come along very often, and i think they are prioritized above chemistry, for the most part.

[Joey Zaza]

I like the reports of the Knicks having nothing to offer the NOH...like any team has what it takes to get the best pg in the league. Like there is any collection of assets (other than say LBJ, Wade, Howard, Griffin) that would make an objective observer say "Oh yeah, good deal." The Nets offer Lopez and picks --is that a "good deal". Is Lopez really that guy?

Atlanta offering Teague and M.Williams? That's Sheridan's "intriguing" offer. What intriguiing about that? A back-up change of pace pg (Crawford-style) and a complete and total washout with an oversized contract.

Clips want to put together a Gordon centered deal? Gordon, who you get one more cheap year out of then you need to give him the long-term big money. That's such a special deal.

And lets ask another question---because the league's goal should be to find a buyer, what makes the Hornets the most attractive team to buy? Is it to build the best team possible in the wake of Paul's departure? Or is it to cut down salary commitments to make the team most affordable?

If its the former -- good luck. CP3's replacement does not exist and/or is not available. If its the latter, you want a deal that you can stick Okafor in and take back picks and expirers.

[Clippersfan86]

Boston has formally been turned down by CP3's camp. Multiple sources said CP3 will NOT sign in Boston. It's looking like he's going to force his way to Clippers or Knicks.

[Darius]

Boston has formally been turned down by CP3's camp. Multiple sources said CP3 will NOT sign in Boston. It's looking like he's going to force his way to Clippers or Knicks.

Don't get too excited.

You said you were only 14 so prob haven't been following the NBA that long... these rumors seldom pan out.

I like CP3 for the Clips but would rather have Deron for the same price. Deron is less talented but more durable and is a larger guard that would work well with Gordon in the back court (if they are able to keep him).

If Gordon has to go for one of those guys, however, so be it.

I have some doubts the Clippers will be able to extend him. He is clearly an Indiana boy and he is a guy who is worth less than the max (by a little) but will probably be able to demand the max... DTS may balk.

[Fiasco]

Don't get too excited.

You said you were only 14 so prob haven't been following the NBA that long... these rumors seldom pan out.

I like CP3 for the Clips but would rather have Deron for the same price. Deron is less talented but more durable and is a larger guard that would work well with Gordon in the back court (if they are able to keep him).

If Gordon has to go for one of those guys, however, so be it.

I have some doubts the Clippers will be able to extend him. He is clearly an Indiana boy and he is a guy who is worth less than the max (by a little) but will probably be able to demand the max... DTS may balk.

I'm pretty sure he's 21.

[Darius]

I like the reports of the Knicks having nothing to offer the NOH...like any team has what it takes to get the best pg in the league. Like there is any collection of assets (other than say LBJ, Wade, Howard, Griffin) that would make an objective observer say "Oh yeah, good deal." The Nets offer Lopez and picks --is that a "good deal". Is Lopez really that guy?

Atlanta offering Teague and M.Williams? That's Sheridan's "intriguing" offer. What intriguiing about that? A back-up change of pace pg (Crawford-style) and a complete and total washout with an oversized contract.

Clips want to put together a Gordon centered deal? Gordon, who you get one more cheap year out of then you need to give him the long-term big money. That's such a special deal.

And lets ask another question---because the league's goal should be to find a buyer, what makes the Hornets the most attractive team to buy? Is it to build the best team possible in the wake of Paul's departure? Or is it to cut down salary commitments to make the team most affordable?

If its the former -- good luck. CP3's replacement does not exist and/or is not available. If its the latter, you want a deal that you can stick Okafor in and take back picks and expirers.

Well the assumption is that CP3 will force his team's hand.

If you look, historically, at superstar trades they never got value.

If you trade a Top 8 player (CP3) and get back a young guy who will likely be Top 20 in the near future (Gordon) plus some interesting young talent you did well.

[Clippersfan86]

Don't get too excited.

You said you were only 14 so prob haven't been following the NBA that long... these rumors seldom pan out.

I like CP3 for the Clips but would rather have Deron for the same price. Deron is less talented but more durable and is a larger guard that would work well with Gordon in the back court (if they are able to keep him).

If Gordon has to go for one of those guys, however, so be it.

I have some doubts the Clippers will be able to extend him. He is clearly an Indiana boy and he is a guy who is worth less than the max (by a little) but will probably be able to demand the max... DTS may balk.

Haha... I'll be 26 soon. I was being a smart as* when I said I was 14. I've been a diehard Clippers fan since I was 13 and a few years before that... I would watch a lot of other teams like the Sonics/Lakers etc. I also think Gordon is Indiana bound too which is why I have no problem trading him. I know he may stay because we can offer way more money... but I'd rather players be here who WANT to be here.

[Fiasco]

I think Deron would be a better fit. So get either him or Paul. One of them will be Clipper. Forget Howard. DJ is good enough to grab some rebounds and play defense. A great point automatically makes everyone else better.

Deron would be a much better fit, I agree entirely. Bigger, more athletic, doesn't rely so much on the P&R... honestly, I have been wanting him since 2005.

Now that his wrist is 100% and he's 100%, a line-up with Williams, Griffin, and Gordon on it would be lethal.

[Clippersfan86]

Deron would be a much better fit, I agree entirely. Bigger, more athletic, doesn't rely so much on the P&R... honestly, I have been wanting him since 2005.

Now that his wrist is 100% and he's 100%, a line-up with Williams, Griffin, and Gordon on it would be lethal.

I agree I prefer Deron... problem is..he's much less available right now it seems. NJ hasn't given up on him.

[Darius]

Haha... I'll be 26 soon. I was being a smart as* when I said I was 14. I've been a diehard Clippers fan since I was 13 and a few years before that... I would watch a lot of other teams like the Sonics/Lakers etc. I also think Gordon is Indiana bound too which is why I have no problem trading him. I know he may stay because we can offer way more money... but I'd rather players be here who WANT to be here.

Ah.

Chances are Gordon will re-sign as no player, offered the max under the current CBA, has left his drafting team but since he is a non a "cut & dried" max player...

Overall though, I agree, he hasn't totally bought into the team (as evidenced by his lack of relationship with Griffin) and is a candidate for wanting to get out of LA.

By no means are we even close to needing to trade him... he is a good character guy who will keep quiet and do his job but if you can pull the trigger on CP3 or Deron you do it.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

A tandem of CP3 + Griffin would be so good so fast it'd be frightening. They'd be congenital on the pick and roll possibly making them the best 1+2 punch not named Lebron/Wade (yes, better than Amare & Melo).

Realistically, how good our are chances to land Paul though?

[Fiasco]

I agree I prefer Deron... problem is..he's much less available right now it seems. NJ hasn't given up on him.

We're just going to have to get nudes of Prokhorov's wife, then.

[Clippersfan86]

A tandem of CP3 + Griffin would be so good so fast it'd be frightening. They'd be congenital of the pick and roll possibly making them the best 1+2 punch not named Lebron/Wade (yes, better than Amare & Melo).

Realistically, how good our are chances to land Paul though?

Nobody knows besides the FO of the teams negotiating. Not even these "sources" know the likelihood. I mean how many "insiders" were so sure Lebron was going to Chicago or staying in Cleveland? Let's just say Clippers are no doubt a top 2 destination as reported so far though.

[Clippersfan86]

We're just going to have to get nudes of Prokhorov's wife, then.

Blackmail FTW.

[Clippersfan86]

LOL all the other big trade rumors get stickied besides the Clipper related one. Go figure.....

[Fiasco]

Blackmail FTW.

amen to dat

[Clippersfan86]

Rick Bucher just said on ESPN that the Hornets and Clippers have been in extensive talks for CP3! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :banana:

[Darius]

I guess I'm just scared of CP3s knee...

But then I remember how f*kking good CP3 made a scrub like David West and then I think of the talent of B.Griffy...

... AND THEN I think of Deandre Jordan on the other side of the key...

... hell CP3 could prob even make Aminu good (though I guess he couldn't do it for Julian Wright lol)

[mountainmamba]

CP3 single handedly took the Lakers for an absolute ride in the playoffs not 6 months ago. I think his knee is fine.

[Joey Zaza]

Well the assumption is that CP3 will force his team's hand.

If you look, historically, at superstar trades they never got value.

If you trade a Top 8 player (CP3) and get back a young guy who will likely be Top 20 in the near future (Gordon) plus some interesting young talent you did well.

How will Paul "force thier hand" .. only by refusing to extend. Doesn't force a hand, it tells them in advance -- I will not be here next year.

Trades for young all-star types are the WORST TRADES IMAGINABLE. You get to be less good than you were but not bad enough to rebuild. Those trades are easy to sell (Hey, we traded shaq, but at least we Butler back -- he's a guy who will be top 20 one day) but they do not work...and that Shaq-Caron trade was a great one. Normally you'd only get Caron (young AS) and Grant (rotatin replacement) they also got Odom, becuase Shaq was the best player on the planet, which CP3 is not. Howard is close.

You are better off committing to a full blown suck. If you want to start sucking early, trade your guy for picks and space (see Utah), but I say, enjoy the last year for whatits worth.

I'll take the Cleveland method.

[Blue&Orange]

/off Topic

Thanks clippers fans for showing how jealous of the Knicks people are.

Lebron didn't even had played a game in the NBA and there was already talk in the media he would end up in the Knicks. But hey God forbid Knicks fans hoping that the Knicks could land him, we were arrogant, we had a sense of entitlement, bla, bla, bla, even with Melo, that ended up in the Knicks, go figure, Knicks fans couldn't make a post about him, without being trolled on how we were\are arrogant\delusional, bla, bla, bla...

Now apparently every superstar on the league is going to end up in the Clippers, but i don't see any animosity towards clippers fans, not that it should happen, nothing wrong with hoping that superstars go to your team, but hey double standards.


Keep hating bitches.

/carry on

[Fiasco]

That is terrible asset management... I don't even.... ?

[Fiasco]

Now apparently every superstar on the league is going to end up in the Clippers, but i don't see any animosity towards clippers fans, not that it should happen, nothing wrong with hoping that superstars go to your team, but hey double standards.

There were a lot of bitter people last night. I'm sure the threads are still up somewhere on the 1st or 2nd page.

[Blue&Orange]

There were a lot of bitter people last night. I'm sure the threads are still up somewhere on the 1st or 2nd page.
:lol I miss it, but you guys aren't getting the same amount of hate, my point stands.

[Clippersfan86]

:lol I miss it, but you guys aren't getting the same amount of hate, my point stands.

In general of course Knicks fans are more hated. That has to do with the Clippers being off the radar before now. Most people still think "Clippers aren't going to do anything" so in their mind nothing to hate on.

[b0bab0i]

LOL all the other big trade rumors get stickied besides the Clipper related one. Go figure.....
Its kuz Chris Boussard is just blowing smoke LOL.

[Darius]

How will Paul "force thier hand" .. only by refusing to extend. Doesn't force a hand, it tells them in advance -- I will not be here next year.

Trades for young all-star types are the WORST TRADES IMAGINABLE. You get to be less good than you were but not bad enough to rebuild. Those trades are easy to sell (Hey, we traded shaq, but at least we Butler back -- he's a guy who will be top 20 one day) but they do not work...and that Shaq-Caron trade was a great one. Normally you'd only get Caron (young AS) and Grant (rotatin replacement) they also got Odom, becuase Shaq was the best player on the planet, which CP3 is not. Howard is close.

You are better off committing to a full blown suck. If you want to start sucking early, trade your guy for picks and space (see Utah), but I say, enjoy the last year for whatits worth.

I'll take the Cleveland method.

He forces their hand because they know they will lose him for nothing otherwise.

I agree in general in not trading for players that will make your team mediocre but that is not the case here.

Gordon is a great piece but isn't going to keep you in the 8-10 seed spot by himself... he is a good building block.

The Minnesota pick nets you a possible franchise player.

[Joey Zaza]

I agree in general in not trading for players that will make your team mediocre but that is not the case here.

RIGHT ON!


Gordon is a great piece but isn't going to keep you in the 8-10 seed spot by himself... he is a good building block.

You say it yourself -- he won't keep you in even the 8-10 spot...so then WTF do you need him for? PLUS, you have to show your fans a commitment to wining (blah blah blah) so here is Gordon's extension 4 yrs $48 million on top of Okafor's $10per remaining + resiging West, 5yrs $55-- and now you're maxed out, locked in for a bunch of yrs with your mediocre team. Gordon-West-Oak.


The Minnesota pick nets you a possible franchise player.

I like getting picks...but I'm NO, I let D.West go and ride CP3 out. I'll have a bad year or 2 but I'll have cap room and picks to do a full on rebuild.

If I feel I NEED to trade CP3, rather then just enjoy his last year, my focus is on shedding Okafor with him. Its NOT about getting a young AS.

[DStebb716]

CP3 will either sign with the Knicks outright, or the Hornets will get smart and just take Landry Fields and some garbage for him.