Shaq says Kobe is the greatest Laker of alltime

[AlphaWolf24]

http://sports.yahoo.com/sportsminute






:cheers:



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just as I said many times ...players and coaches and majority of casual fans all say Kobe is a top 3 alltime player..



BOOM! Online haterz!!

[Yao Ming's Foot]

has he not seen 32Dayzzzzz PER spam??

Kevin Love is actually the greatest Laker of all time!!

[Rnbizzle]

I agree.

[D-Wade316]

has he not seen 32Dayzzzzz PER spam??

Kevin Love is actually the greatest Laker of all time!!
:facepalm

[Rooster]

Shaq wants to make sure his Laker jersey will be retired with Kobe's blessing. :oldlol:

[christian1923]

hahah this is going to start an ISH WAR!!

Kobe haters are going to go crazyyy :cheers: :cheers:

[I.R.Beast]

Pau Gasol is the greatlest laker of all time

[Odinn]

There are only 3 players who can be named as the greatest Laker of all-time; Jerry West, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant.

[Quickening]

Kobe.....:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[JohnnyWall]

Let's see 32Dayz talk his way out of this one.

His idol just admitted that Kobe is not only better than him, but the best player to ever wear a Lakers jersey.

[Andrei89]

Shaq becoming the biggest torll of the NBA

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

He's certainly in the discussion.

[JohnnyWall]

http://i.imgur.com/gWrr0l.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/gWrr0.jpg)

Anyone can feel free to save this for later use.

[BlueandGold]

Honestly at this point its a three way tie between Kareem, Kobe and Magic. Kareem arguably has the greatest resume out of the 3 but Kobe and Magic were both drafted by the Lakers (Kobe in a S&T on draft day).

[32Dayz]

There are only 3 players who can be named as the greatest Laker of all-time; Jerry West, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant.

Just a question Oden or anyone else.

Shaq was the leader and clear cut best player for 3 LA Title Teams and won 3FMVPs.

No Laker in the history of the Franchise was as good as Shaq was from 98-02.

Honestly other then maybe Magic what other LA player had a 7 year stretch of dominance and high level of play that Shaq had from 97-04.

I dont see how Shaq isn't in that same group and he should have a reasonable argument as the GOAT LA player or at the very worst be very high up on the list.

Do people really forget how good he was? :facepalm :facepalm

Also I form my own opinions I dont let others tell me what I should think.

Jerry West has called Shaq the greatest player he has ever seen and the MDE and so has Kobe on numerous occasions so who should I believe, them or Shaq?

Player's just say whatever they are feeling at the moment or whatever suits their agendas (who knows what Shaq was thinking when he said this).

He probably knows its better for his Post - NBA Career to suck up to Kobe since he is David Sterns poster boy and has a legion of mostly lobotmized stans following him online and everywhere else.

Its pathetic but probably true and I dont necessarily blame the guy.

[JohnnyWall]

Are you calling Shaq wrong then, 32Dayz? or are you calling him a liar?

[Bigsmoke]

Magic >

Kobe is close.

[32Dayz]

Are you calling Shaq wrong then, 32Dayz? or are you calling him a liar?

I am saying that may be his opinion or he may just be saying it because its a smart thing to say for other reasons.

He may actually believe that I cant say either way.

Personally though I dont think Kobe had a better Career then Shaq as a Laker.

Quality > Quantity when I compare the two although Kobe isn't far behind him at this point.

Probably have Magic ahead of Kobe also.

For those who remember how Dominant he was from 98-02 and how great he was over his entire 7 years there I dont think they would find my opinion unreasonable.

He and Magic are the only two Lakers to win 3FMVP's and lead 3 LA teams to Rings as the clear cut best player I think.

[JohnnyWall]

I am saying that may be his opinion or he may just be saying it because its a smart thing to say for other reasons.

He may actually believe that I cant say either way.

Personally though I dont think Kobe had a better Career then Shaq as a Laker.

Quality > Quantity when I compare the two although Kobe isn't far behind him at this point.

Probably have Magic ahead of Kobe also.

What if Kobe wins one or two more rings and finishes his career with performances on par with his 2008-2010 seasons? Would that cement him as the greatest Laker in your mind?

[32Dayz]

What if Kobe wins one or two more rings and finishes his career with performances on par with his 2008-2010 seasons? Would that cement him as the greatest Laker in your mind?

Probably.

Yeah.. it would.

[Phong]

Do people really forget how good he was? :facepalm :facepalmPeople haven't forgot how he said "pay me mother****er" to Jerry Buss after coming to camp fat and out of shape; how he left the team on bad terms (typical Shaq) and how he went on to become a journeyman chasing after a 5th ring.

If he has stayed most of his career with the Lakers, he might have had a case. He's behind Magic, Kobe, West and Kareem.

[32Dayz]

People haven't forgot how he said "pay me mother****er" to Jerry Buss after coming to camp fat and out of shape; how he left the team on bad terms (typical Shaq) and how he went on to become a journeyman chasing after a 5th ring.

If he has stayed most of his career with the Lakers, he might have had a case. He's behind Magic, Kobe, West and Kareem.

Jerry Buss has publicly said that Shaq was joking around when he said that and he took it that way.
He was not insulted or bothered by the comment so for you or anyone else to view it that way is basically just believing in a fantasy.

Buss loves Shaq and has repeatably praised him in the media beyond all other things calling him the GOAT and MDE while he was playing in blue and gold.

Outside of 03 he was never "out of shape" and he was still by far the best player for LA in the 03 playoffs so he doesn't have to apologize for anything.

Becoming a journey man does not change what he accomplished as a Laker and based on those 7 years and the fact that he is one of only two lakers to lead the team to 3 Championships and is one of only two lakers with 3FMVP's he has a strong case as the GOAT Laker.

Shaq/Magic > Kobe/Kareem/West

[RRR3]

People haven't forgot how he said "pay me mother****er" to Jerry Buss after coming to camp fat and out of shape; how he left the team on bad terms (typical Shaq) and how he went on to become a journeyman chasing after a 5th ring.

If he has stayed most of his career with the Lakers, he might have had a case. He's behind Magic, Kobe, West and Kareem.
Shaq left because Kobe was a whiny little bitch who couldn't stand being the 2nd best player on his own team. Stop rewriting history to fit your agenda. :facepalm

[glidedrxlr22]

#1 Laker alltime......Magic Johnson

#1 Laker troll fan.....AlphaDouchebag24

[Phong]

Shaq-Dr. Buss Feud Continues
from : localhost/sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?sl...ov=apamp;type=lgns

Shaq not pleased with Buss' weight-loss remark

MIAMI (AP) -- Nearly a year after the trade, the verbal jousting between Shaquille O'Neal and the Los Angeles Lakers is still going strong.

One day after Lakers owner Jerry Buss said O'Neal found motivation for losing weight only after being traded by Los Angeles to Miami, the Heat's All-Star center took issue with the remark.

``I didn't need motivation,'' O'Neal said. ``I needed a real owner. ... I needed a real owner like Micky Arison. You can quote me on it.''

Buss also said he doesn't regret trading O'Neal to Miami.

``And I don't regret him losing money and his not making the playoffs,'' O'Neal said.

On Wednesday, Buss said O'Neal was not willing to get into shape when he played for the Lakers. O'Neal, who played at an estimated 370 pounds during his final season in Los Angeles, is down to about 325 in Miami.

``It seems that the motivation for him to lose weight was to trade him,'' Buss said Wednesday.
The 2002–03 NBA season began with the three-time defending champions getting off to one of their worst starts ever. The team was several games under .500 at 11–19 with their return to the playoffs questionable. Shaquille O'Neal was sidelined with a toe injury. O'Neal could have had surgery on his toe early in the summer (which would have allowed him to return to playing sooner), but he decided to wait and have the surgery performed not long before the Lakers' pre-season training camp began. He said, "I got hurt on company time, so I’ll rehab on company time."Buss was so pleased with Shaq. I'm rewriting history...:roll:

Lets put Shaq ahead of guys who have devoted their entire career to the Lakers. :facepalm

[RRR3]

Buss was so pleased with Shaq. I'm rewriting history...:roll:

Lets put Shaq ahead of guys who have devoted their entire career to the Lakers. :facepalm
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/3446/kobe-bryant-says-he-d-like-to-be-traded
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2886927


He's SOOOOOOOOOOOO devoted. :facepalm

[TheMan]

I would rank them as
1. Magic Johnson
2. KAJ
3. Shaq
4. Wilt
5. Kobe
6. Elgin Baylor
7. Jerry West

[JohnnyWall]

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/3446/kobe-bryant-says-he-d-like-to-be-traded
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2886927


He's SOOOOOOOOOOOO devoted. :facepalm

Way to ignore the Buss quotes. :applause:

[32Dayz]

Shaq missed 15 games in 03 due to that injury big whoop, people act like it effected the season but its clear it didn't.

They would have lost to the Spurs with or without an extra 5+ Wins on their RS Record.

Again Buss himself has personally said Shaq was joking when he made that "Pay me" remark and it did not bother him in the least.

If he took it as a joke and you take seriously it only makes you look stupid.

[RRR3]

Way to ignore the Buss quotes. :applause:
So Kobe was sooooooooo devoted he didn't want to hurt the poor widdle management's feelings and instead told the press instead? What a class act :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: Da GAWD! :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Kobe haters fail to realize that rewriting the Shaq-Kobe fued only serves to make Shaq's current comments about Kobe that more meaningful. He hates Kobe so much that he left the Lakers but is back years later kissing his ring. :oldlol:

[RRR3]

Kobe haters fail to realize that rewriting the Shaq-Kobe fued only serves to make Shaq's current comments about Kobe that more meaningful. He hates Kobe so much that he left the Lakers but is back years later kissing his ring. :oldlol:
You Kobe stans need to realize that outside of a few people (i.e. 32Dayz, GenghisKhan) most of us "Kobe haters" do not, in fact, hate Kobe, we hate KOBE STANS. If Kobe did not have the most annoying fanbase of all time, we wouldn't "hate".

[Phong]

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/3446/kobe-bryant-says-he-d-like-to-be-traded
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2886927


He's SOOOOOOOOOOOO devoted. :facepalmWhy do you bring up Kobe when I don't have Kobe at the clear #1 Laker spot? Not everybody likes to suck ***** the way you suck on LeBrick's. Idiot. :facepalm

For me it's between Magic, Kobe and West; the first two for the success they achieved as players and the latter for what he did as player, coach and gm.

As for Shaq... let me laugh. :oldlol:

[JohnnyWall]

You Kobe stans need to realize that outside of a few people (i.e. 32Dayz, GenghisKhan) most of us "Kobe haters" do not, in fact, hate Kobe, we hate KOBE STANS. If Kobe did not have the most annoying fanbase of all time, we wouldn't "hate".

LeBron stans are far worse on an individual basis.

[32Dayz]

Shaq left LA because Kobe acted like an arrogant douche and bad mouthed him in the media which pissed him off and made him demand more money then Buss was willing to pay.

Buss made the decision that he could only afford to keep one of the two and made the obviously more intelligent choice to keep the young player instead of the old one.

Kobe also told Buss after the 04 Finalz that he wouldn't resign with LA if they kept Shaq essentially ending any possibility of them working it out.

The whole feud was started because Kobe was dumb enough not to give Shaq his 15-20 touches consistently after the 2002 season and wanted to have the 0ffense ran through himself at that point.
When Shaq complained about it Kobe fired back by publicly attacking him in the media which furthered the feud to huge proportions.

This came to a head in 04 where Kobe tried to carry the team in the Finalz like Shaq had done in previous years and failed miserably.

[RRR3]

Why do you bring up Kobe when I don't have Kobe at the clear #1 Laker spot? Not everybody likes to suck ***** the way you suck on LeBrick's. Idiot. :facepalm

For me it's between Magic, Kobe and West; the first two for the success they achieved as players and the latter for what he did as player, coach and gm.

Typical Phong, bringing up LeBron. :roll: You're the one who can't stop talking about LeBron, not me. He is one of my favorite players, but I'd be intrigued if you can find one instance of me actually overrating him when I'm being serious. And why are you getting angry? You're one of the biggest trolls on ISH, I hope you don't expect anyone to start taking you seriously. :roll: Calm down, you weirdo. :oldlol: I didn't bring up Kobe, you're the one who was saying he "devoted his entire career to the Lakers" in contrast to Shaq.

[RRR3]

LeBron stans are far worse on an individual basis.
:facepalm

[Yao Ming's Foot]

You Kobe stans need to realize that outside of a few people (i.e. 32Dayz, GenghisKhan) most of us "Kobe haters" do not, in fact, hate Kobe, we hate KOBE STANS. If Kobe did not have the most annoying fanbase of all time, we wouldn't "hate".

What relevance is it to you of how Shaq calling Kobe the greatest Laker of all time?

Do you think any Lakers fans gives a crap about who the greatest member of the Heat is of all time?

[32Dayz]

For me it's between Magic, Kobe and West; the first two for the success they achieved as players and the latter for what he did as player, coach and gm.


So you judged players based on what they did as a Coach or GM?

Let me laugh. :oldlol:

Shaq from 98-02 played at a level no Laker in franchise history has ever matched.

He won 3FMVP's and led LA to 3 consecutive titles as the clear leader and by far the best player.

His 7 year stretch from 97-04 is easily better then anyone in LA franchise history with only Magic perhaps having a case there.

Shaq easily has a strong argument as the GOAT Laker or at worst is 2nd behind Magic.

Friggen Kobe Stans, absolutely no knowledge of the game outside of their idol.

Magic and Shaq are the two greatest Lakers followed by Kareem/West/Kobe/Wilt not sure what order.

Quality > Quantity.

[pegasus]

LeBron stans are far worse on an individual basis.

This. And RRR3 is one of the worst.

Shaq is right. Kobe is the GLOAT.

[JohnnyWall]

Typical Phong, bringing up LeBron. :roll: You're the one who can't stop talking about LeBron, not me. He is one of my favorite players, but I'd be intrigued if you can find one instance of me actually overrating him when I'm being serious. And why are you getting angry? You're one of the biggest trolls on ISH, I hope you don't expect anyone to start taking you seriously. :roll: Calm down, you weirdo. :oldlol: I didn't bring up Kobe, you're the one who was saying he "devoted his entire career to the Lakers" in contrast to Shaq.

Phong said this

Buss was so pleased with Shaq. I'm rewriting history...:roll:

Lets put Shaq ahead of guys who have devoted their entire career to the Lakers. :facepalm

You responded with this

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/3446/kobe-bryant-says-he-d-like-to-be-traded
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2886927


He's SOOOOOOOOOOOO devoted. :facepalm

You brought up Kobe. Your anti-Kobe emotions guide your every typing move.

[32Dayz]

Phong said this


You responded with this


You brought up Kobe. Your anti-Kobe emotions guide your every typing move.

He isnt Anti-Kobe and neither am I.

Jerry Buss never had any issues with Shaq and has publicly said so.

Kobe forced Buss to trade him by saying he wouldn't resign with LA if they kept Shaq due to jealousy.

Shaq at that point felt betrayed because Buss did not inform him before putting him on the block which reflects in the comments he made at the time.

[Phong]

So you judged players based on what they did as a Coach or GM?I judge a Laker on what he has done for the Lakers organization.

[RRR3]

What relevance is it to you of how Shaq calling Kobe the greatest Laker of all time?

Do you think any Lakers fans gives a crap about who the greatest member of the Heat is of all time?

It's of no relevance at all. I don't take Shaq's opinion seriously. This is the same guy who didn't know who Lenny Wilkens was, thinks Hakeem>Kareem, and said that he was at his best on the Heat? BTW The greatest Heat player of all-time is Dwyane Wade. What's your point?

[32Dayz]

I judge a Laker on what he has done for the Lakers organization.

Fair enough but purely as a player for LA I dont think Kobe had a better Career then Shaq.

Shaq has the best 7 year stretch of play ever for a LA player (97-04)
Shaq has "By Far" the best 5 year stretch of play ever for a LA player (98-02)

Shaq led 3 LA Teams to Rings as the clear cut leader and best player and won 3 consecutive FMVP's (00-02).

If your a Laker fan you should respect those accomplishments and not belittle them because he left your franchise.

[RRR3]

Phong said this


You responded with this


You brought up Kobe. Your anti-Kobe emotions guide your every typing move.
I'm not Anti-Kobe, I'm anti-Kobe stan. There's a big difference. You want me to say pro Kobe things? :rolleyes: Fine:
Kobe Bryant anywhere from 8-12 on the GOAT list
Kobe Bryant the 2nd best SG in NBA history
Kobe Bryant one of the most explosive scorers ever
Kobe Bryant one of the greatest all-around players ever

Happy?

[JohnnyWall]

You want me to say pro Kobe things?

No, I don't because I don't care about your opinion on Kobe. I was simply correcting your misstatement.

[32Dayz]

Shaq has the best 7 year stretch of play ever for a LA player (97-04)
Shaq has "By Far" the best 5 year stretch of play ever for a LA player (98-02)

Shaq led 3 LA Teams to Rings as the clear cut leader and best player and won 3 consecutive FMVP's (00-02).

:applause:

Quit underrating his LA Career because he left your franchise.

[Doctor Rivers]

I'm not Anti-Kobe, I'm anti-Kobe stan. There's a big difference. You want me to say pro Kobe things? :rolleyes: Fine:
Kobe Bryant anywhere from 8-12 on the GOAT list
Kobe Bryant the 3rd best SG in NBA history
Kobe Bryant one of the most explosive scorers ever
Kobe Bryant one of the greatest all-around players ever

Happy?

fixed.

[JohnnyWall]

Shaq has the best 7 year stretch of play ever for a LA player (97-04)
Shaq has "By Far" the best 5 year stretch of play ever for a LA player (98-02)
Shaq led 3 LA Teams to Rings as the clear cut leader and best player and won 3 consecutive FMVP's (00-02).

And yet... despite those opinions of some crazed fan, Shaquille O'Neal himself has publicly and explicitly confirmed Kobe's greatness.

[Phong]

Fair enough but purely as a player for LA I dont think Kobe had a better Career then Shaq.Did I make a specific case for Kobe? But since you mention him, I'll say his long tenure and success as a Lakers makes up for whatever dominance Shaq had.

[32Dayz]

Did I make a specific case for Kobe? But since you mention him, I'll say his long tenure and success as a Lakers makes up for whatever dominance Shaq had.

Pretty sure you put Shaq behind Kareem, Kobe, West and Magic.

:facepalm

[32Dayz]

And yet... despite those facts

Fixed.

:lol @ you thinking Shaq wasn't the crystal clear cut leader and best player for LA from 00-02?

Your a joke man. :facepalm

[Phong]

Pretty sure you put Shaq behind Kareem, Kobe, West and Magic.

:facepalmAnd yet you commented like I was putting Kobe at the #1 spot. :facepalm

So you agree West, Magic and Kareem are ahead of Shaq as Lakers?

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

greatest Laker ever =/= best player to ever play on the lakers

[Phong]

greatest Laker ever =/= best player to ever play on the lakers:applause:

[RRR3]

greatest Laker ever =/= best player to ever play on the lakers
True, but considering Magic was on the Lakers his whole career, those who are saying Kobe is the GLOAT are saying he is over Magic on the GOAT list, something I doubt most would agree with.

[32Dayz]

And yet you commented like I was putting Kobe at the #1 spot. :facepalm

So you agree West, Magic and Kareem are ahead of Shaq as Lakers?

No, Kareem as a Laker only had 1-2 Years playing at a level near Prime Shaq.

Shaq's best 5 and 7 years are so far superior to Kareems (as a Laker) its impossible for me to say he was below him despite Kareem playing for 6 more years.

West was great but Shaq was a much better player for LA and West only had a 3-5 year edge in years played for them its not enough for me to put him ahead.

How I feel about West is the same way I feel about Kobe.

Really the top 4 should be Magic/Shaq and then Kobe/West.

[Phong]

I guess you value peak play much more than I do. Like somebody said, the greatest Laker is not necessarily the greatest player who wore a Lakers uniform.

[32Dayz]

I guess you value peak play much more than I do. Like somebody said, the greatest Laker is not necessarily the greatest player who wore a Lakers uniform.

I guess, if you incorporate all things Lakers including stuff like marketability and off court stuff I'd probably have West #1 and Kobe #2.

[The Macho Man]

Can't go wrong with Kobe or Magic.

Shaq certainly has had a lot to say recently.

[TOUCH MY BODY]

Kobe is too powerful.

[barnett114]

http://sports.yahoo.com/sportsminute






:cheers:




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just as I said many times ...players and coaches and majority of casual fans all say Kobe is a top 3 alltime player..



BOOM! Online haterz!!


But Kobe isn't the best Laker ever.

U Mad?

[Big#50]

Magic
KAJ
SHAQ
Kobe

[Odinn]

I do not like Kobe but he is clearly ahead of Shaq in this debate.

Shaq as a Laker;
All of them as the man; 3 titles, 4 finals

Kobe as a Laker;
As the man; 2 titles, 3 finals
As a 2nd option; 3 titles, 4 finals
Total; 5 titles, 7 finals


Kobe scored 27868 points for the Lakers, Shaq scored 13895. Kobe scored twice as much for the Lakers.

Kobe scored 5280 playoff points for the Lakers, Shaq scored 3383.

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Again, I think only 3 names can be called as GLOAT; Jerry West, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant.

[32Dayz]

I actually like that post Odinn.

Could you perhaps lay out why you think West should also be over Shaq the same way you did for Kobe?

Also why do you only put out points, what about rebounds, blocks etc..

Also efficiency and perhaps PER.

My reasoning for Shaq being over Kobe and West is more Quality vs Quantity.

Kobe and West played longer but I feel Shaq's years were more valuable and of a higher standard.

If anything that should put him in the argument.

[Odinn]

I actually like that post Odinn.

Could you perhaps lay out why you think West should also be over Shaq the same way you did for Kobe?

Also why do you only put out points, what about rebounds, blocks etc..

Also efficiency and perhaps PER.

My reasoning for Shaq being over Kobe and West is more Quality vs Quantity.

Kobe and West played longer but I feel Shaq's years were more valuable and of a higher standard.

If anything that should put him in the argument.
If Kobe can keep his 5 rpg average he will pass Shaq even in rebounds in 11-12 season.

Also "Kobe scored twice as much for the Lakers". It's not like 28k vs. 22-23k. Kobe literally scored twice as much.

PER, TS% all of them crap. And big men always have the edge on EFF.

West's situation like Kobe's. But his championship numbers so low coz of the greatest dynasty of all-time; the Bill Russell Celtics.

Lastly; you're not arguing for Quailty vs. Quantity. You keep arguing for glorify Shaq again. As for the Lakers history, there some other players who deserves the glory more than Shaq. Deal with it.

[Deuce Bigalow]

I would rank them as
1. Magic Johnson
2. KAJ
3. Shaq
4. Wilt
5. Kobe
6. Elgin Baylor
7. Jerry West
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[AlphaWolf24]

http://www.sadanduseless.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/gif/352.gif


:oldlol:

[MaxFly]

Do people really forget how good he was?

Shaq, fresh off of winning his third title with the Lakers, refused to get surgery and rehab during the summer, and instead waited until a few weeks before the start of training camp to get the surgery, ensuring that he would miss a significant chunk of the season. To make matters worse, he knew that the Lakers did not have a legitimate backup to play center as he sat out. His excuse for waiting to get the surgery was "I got injured on company time, so I'll get better on company time."

People haven't forgotten that, either.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

In Shaq's corner we have

1 more Finals MVP

in Kobe's corner we have

2 more rings
3 more Finals Appearances
5 more All NBA Awards
6 more all stars awards
8 more all defensive team awards

What's to debate?

:confusedshrug:

[32Dayz]

Shaq, fresh off of winning his third title with the Lakers, refused to get surgery and rehab during the summer, and instead waited until a few weeks before the start of training camp to get the surgery, ensuring that he would miss a significant chunk of the season. To make matters worse, he knew that the Lakers did not have a legitimate backup to play center as he sat out. His excuse for waiting to get the surgery was "I got injured on company time, so I'll get better on company time."

People haven't forgotten that, either.

Your a retard.

He missed 15 games that season and was still easily the best player for LA in the Regular and Post season.

Your gonna disregard his entire Laker career because of one stupid mistake that didn't have any real effect on the outcome of the season except to may losers like you bitch about his effort years later?

He was playing at a GOAT level and was the leader and by far the best player while leading LA to a 3peat, I think that should be mentioned above "wahhh he missed 15 games in 03 and came into camp overweight"

:facepalm

Go ahead and tear down the 3 banners he brought you punks and then talk all the shit you want about petty insignificant shit like that you cry baby.

[I.R.Beast]

Kobe = G.O.A.T imo including Jordan that played in the weakest ERA of basketball in regards to competition, in a league with not many powerhouses if any and over-ran with undersized guards.

[Kobe 4 The Win]

Just a question Oden or anyone else.

Shaq was the leader and clear cut best player for 3 LA Title Teams and won 3FMVPs.

No Laker in the history of the Franchise was as good as Shaq was from 98-02.

Honestly other then maybe Magic what other LA player had a 7 year stretch of dominance and high level of play that Shaq had from 97-04.

I dont see how Shaq isn't in that same group and he should have a reasonable argument as the GOAT LA player or at the very worst be very high up on the list.

Do people really forget how good he was? :facepalm :facepalm

Also I form my own opinions I dont let others tell me what I should think.

Jerry West has called Shaq the greatest player he has ever seen and the MDE and so has Kobe on numerous occasions so who should I believe, them or Shaq?

Player's just say whatever they are feeling at the moment or whatever suits their agendas (who knows what Shaq was thinking when he said this).

He probably knows its better for his Post - NBA Career to suck up to Kobe since he is David Sterns poster boy and has a legion of mostly lobotmized stans following him online and everywhere else.

Its pathetic but probably true and I dont necessarily blame the guy.

lol

Meltdown

[nayte]

Did everyone miss the..probably bit ??
To me thats not a definate yes, he is.
Either way it's close to me bewteen Kobe and Magic but Kobes got time on his side.

[Doctor Rivers]

Your a retard.


I recommend that you don't look like an idiot when insulting others.

"you're"

[PrimeJohnnyDepp]

Sorry, Shaq. It's Kareem, Magic, Shaq. ;)

I guess Kobe is forth, but nobody cared for the NBA from 2006-2011, as it was too manufactured and wanky. But whatever politics gets you places Shaq. :)

God i hate NBA. Such a waste of time.

[01amberfirewv]

There are only 3 players who can be named as the greatest Laker of all-time; Jerry West, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant.

Agreed:cheers:


Honestly at this point its a three way tie between Kareem, Kobe and Magic. Kareem arguably has the greatest resume out of the 3 but Kobe and Magic were both drafted by the Lakers (Kobe in a S&T on draft day).

How can you leave out the logo

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_OzWla_7GOKo/TRNrO7kKCPI/AAAAAAAAAEI/5sGhv-BdXms/s1600/nba_logo.png

http://nba-news-alex.blogspot.com/2011/01/jerry-west-strory-of-logo.html

[Blue&Orange]

Shaq was just trying to look unbiased and professional on his new hobby and he overdid it... i doubt he really thinks that.

[kentatm]

http://theassociation.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/04/06/wallpaper_smush_parker.jpg

[100grandman]

Shaq says Kobe is the greatest Laker of all tiime, but if he had to start a team with one player he said he'd choose Magic..........so WTF?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Shaq says Kobe is the greatest Laker of all tiime, but if he had to start a team with one player he said he'd choose Magic..........so WTF?

How does it not make sense? Magic is a player who'd cater to Shaq, making everything easier for him. Kobe is arguably the most accomplished Laker, therefor the 'GOAT Lakers player' - something I disagree with but presume that's the difference.

[Rojogaqu11]

When it's all said and done, I think Kobe will be the greatest Laker.
Assuming he plays for 4 more years in the league putting an average of 25/5/5, earning 4 more 1st/2nd teams and all stars, a few more broken records, etc. that would be almost 20 years of elite play with the same franchise. That's the minimum he could accomplish in my opinion.
Now if he wins one or more championships, that would really give and edge to his legacy, and if we include his all around mastery of the game, intangibles, offense/defense elite skill at the shooting guard spot, all this over two generations of basketball at the highest level, then I think it's not so strange to think that he could be the greatest Laker, even right now.

[32Dayz]

Saying Kobe > Shaq as a Laker is like saying Parish > Bird as a Celtic.

Quality in this case wins out over Quantity.

Kobe never came close to the level of impact and dominance Shaq had from 98-02.

Laker Ranks

Tier 1 = Magic/Shaq

Tier 2 = Kobe/West

Tier 3 = Kareem/Wilt

[creepingdeath]

http://theassociation.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/04/06/wallpaper_smush_parker.jpg
https://www.team9000.net/attachments/notworthy-gif.228/

[oolalaa]

Shame on anyone who agrees with the 39 year old fat man!

The greatest laker of all time is Earvin Johnson.

Kobe isn't even the lakers greatest SG of all time :roll:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Shame on anyone who agrees with the 39 year old fat man!

The greatest laker of all time is Earvin Johnson.

Kobe isn't even the lakers greatest SG of all time :roll:

"Kobe is the greatest Laker of alltime" - Jerry West

[ItsTwisted]

Saying Kobe > Shaq as a Laker is like saying Parish > Bird as a Celtic.

Quality in this case wins out over Quantity.

Kobe never came close to the level of impact and dominance Shaq had from 98-02.

Laker Ranks

Tier 1 = Magic/Shaq

Tier 2 = Kobe/West

Tier 3 = Kareem/Wilt


Again, thats your opinion. Shaq was great and I will admit probably the most dominant Laker player, however he will not be remembered as the greatest Laker of all time. As much as you sit here and try to argue it, many Lakers fans will only keep the debate between Kobe, Magic, and you can throw Kareem in there as well.

For me personally, I feel like Magic is the best Laker of all time with Kobe/Shaq at second and Kareem at third. However if Kobe does manage to win another championship and stay with the team for another 3-4 years, I will put him ahead of Shaq. Yes quality matters, but so does quanity. Kobe spending his entire career with the Lakers at the end will come in play whether you want to admit it or not, and thats what people will remember him by.

When its all said and done, at the end of Kobes career, I believe he will be the Greatest Laker alive, or at least considered for the position with many still picking Magic, and then Kareem/Shaq for third and fourth.

[oolalaa]

"Kobe is the greatest Laker of alltime" - Jerry West

:lol

THAT SETTLES THAT THEN!!

:no:

1. Jerry west has an interest in calling kobe the greatest laker of all time - he brought him to the lakers! He's basically giving himself a pat on the back.

2. Jerry west is way too modest.

3. Even if Mr West does in fact believe that kobe is the goat laker, SO WHAT??!! :hammerhead: :banghead:

Rick carlisle said Dirk is a top 10 all time player. I rest my case...(damn, i wish there was a little briefcase i could put here :oldlol: )

[Legends66NBA7]

:lol

THAT SETTLES THAT THEN!!

:no:

1. Jerry west has an interest in calling kobe the greatest laker of all time - he brought him to the lakers! He's basically giving himself a pat on the back.

2. Jerry west is way too modest.

3. Even if Mr West does in fact believe that kobe is the goat laker, SO WHAT??!! :hammerhead: :banghead:

Rick carlisle said Dirk is a top 10 all time player. I rest my case...(damn, i wish there was a little briefcase i could put here :oldlol: )

Basically man, people want to live off opinions and not try to do objective critical thinking.

[ItsTwisted]

When it's all said and done, I think Kobe will be the greatest Laker.
Assuming he plays for 4 more years in the league putting an average of 25/5/5, earning 4 more 1st/2nd teams and all stars, a few more broken records, etc. that would be almost 20 years of elite play with the same franchise. That's the minimum he could accomplish in my opinion.
Now if he wins one or more championships, that would really give and edge to his legacy, and if we include his all around mastery of the game, intangibles, offense/defense elite skill at the shooting guard spot, all this over two generations of basketball at the highest level, then I think it's not so strange to think that he could be the greatest Laker, even right now.

Completely agree with you on that. Magic Johnson is my favorite Laker of all time, with Jerry West and Kareem closely behind, and as much as I do not want to admit it, at the end of his career Kobe will have a strong case to surpass all of them.

He might even have a case now, but I still believe Magic Johnson holds the spot.

[brownmamba00]

You have to be a plain old retard to think West is the lakers greatest SG of the all time.

Anyway as far as G'L'OAT goes;

1.Magic
2.Kobe
3.Cap
4.The Logo
5.Shaq
6.Big Game James

[32Dayz]

Shaq from 98-02 was the best player the Lakers organization has ever had play for them.

Shaq has the best 5 and 7 year stretch of any Laker ever.

Shaq was the Leader and Best Player on 3 LA Title Teams.
Shaq is the only Laker "with Magic" with 3FMVP's.

How the hell isnt he in the top 3?
:facepalm

[oolalaa]

You have to be a plain old retard to think Worthy is the lakers greatest SF of the all time.

Anyway as far as G'L'OAT goes;

1.Magic
2.Kobe
3.Cap
4.The Logo
5.Shaq
6.Baylor

There you go. I fixed it for you. You're welcome.

[oolalaa]

Shaq from 98-02 was the best player the Lakers organization has ever had play for them.

Shaq has the best 5 and 7 year stretch of any Laker ever.

Shaq was the Leader and Best Player on 3 LA Title Teams.
Shaq is the only Laker "with Magic" with 3FMVP's.

How the hell isnt he in the top 3?
:facepalm

One of the reasons why shaq isn't considered the goat laker is because he was only there for 8 years.

Magic, Kareem, West and Bryant were in L.A for 12+ years.

I actually think kobe is a greater laker than shaq but on my all time list i have it the other way around...

[Odinn]

One of the reasons why shaq isn't considered the goat laker is because he was only there for 8 years.

Magic, Kareem, West and Bryant were in L.A for 12+ years.

I actually think kobe is a greater laker than shaq but on my all time list i have it the other way around...
He can't handle a Kobe-Shaq debate which can be in favour of Kobe.

First he showed up with "Shaq>Kobe, as a Laker too". Then he changed his argument to "Shaq in the top 3".

Magic and Kobe clearly ahead of Shaq in GLOAT debate. And I think West too surely. And top3 is done. Kareem scored more 10k points and 700 playoff points. He will bring up the numbers of Shaq's fmvps without mentioning Kareem's robbed one in 1980. Yeah. That's how it works for him.

[Kobe 4 The Win]

Your a retard.

He missed 15 games that season and was still easily the best player for LA in the Regular and Post season.

Your gonna disregard his entire Laker career because of one stupid mistake that didn't have any real effect on the outcome of the season except to may losers like you bitch about his effort years later?

He was playing at a GOAT level and was the leader and by far the best player while leading LA to a 3peat, I think that should be mentioned above "wahhh he missed 15 games in 03 and came into camp overweight"

:facepalm

Go ahead and tear down the 3 banners he brought you punks and then talk all the shit you want about petty insignificant shit like that you cry baby.


Ha, double meltdown

"your a retard" ??????????? I think you meant "you're a retard" there genius.

Shaq could have been the greatest Laker of all time if he had Kobe's work ethic and Magic's will to win. I'm a huge Shaq fan but he came in fat more than once. He milked injuries more than once too. His "work ethic", if you can call it that, is well known and his teams and his career suffered because of it. It cost him and the Lakers championships that should have been theirs. If he would have listened to Kobe, Phil and later Pat Riley he would have been better off. He knows it, but instead he plays the blame game.

[Doctor Rivers]

Ha, double meltdown

"your a retard" ??????????? I think you meant "you're a retard" there genius.

Shaq could have been the greatest Laker of all time if he had Kobe's work ethic and Magic's will to win. I'm a huge Shaq fan but he came in fat more than once. He milked injuries more than once too. His "work ethic", if you can call it that, is well known and his teams and his career suffered because of it. It cost him and the Lakers championships that should have been theirs. If he would have listened to Kobe, Phil and later Pat Riley he would have been better off. He knows it, but instead he plays the blame game.

post 76

[Kobe 4 The Win]

post 76

didn't read. lol

[Micku]

He is in the conversation. Magic was more successfully and his teams in the 80s were better. Shaq's prime and peak were unstoppable. And Kareem was great as well, offense and defense.

But even though Kobe could be the greatest laker of all time, people would still rank Kareem, Magic and possibly Shaq over him as players. Even though their hightlights came from the Lakers.

[AlphaWolf24]

He is in the conversation. Magic was more successfully and his teams in the 80s were better. Shaq's prime and peak were unstoppable. And Kareem was great as well, offense and defense.

But even though Kobe could be the greatest laker of all time, people would still rank Kareem, Magic and possibly Shaq over him as players. Even though their hightlights came from the Lakers.


who are these "people"??...

Magic and Shaq both ranked Kobe as the GOAL..and fans already have Kobe way ahead of Shaq....and Kobe at #5 or 6 ALLTIME!

[32Dayz]

Magic/Shaq > West/Kobe > Kareem/Wilt
Shaq >>>>> Kobe


:applause: