Nene wants out of Denver

[Clippersfan86]

Sorry to report this news Nuggets fans but I had a feeling.

http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/33584531

[Rnbizzle]

Yeah if he isn't gonna go for the big bucks, there's no reason whatsoever for him to stay in Denver.

[v1ncelis]

So let me guess. He wants to play for Clippers, right?

[JohnnyWall]

Who wouldn't want out of that city...

[Darkess]

Who wouldn't want out of that city...

People say that about nearly every city. If you're not in LA/NY/Chicago/Miami, everyone wants out. :no:

FALSE

[JohnnyWall]

People say that about nearly every city. If you're not in LA/NY/Chicago/Miami, everyone wants out. :no:

FALSE

Denver is awful, Colorado is awful, the people are awful.

There are plenty of great cities outside of LA/NY/Chicago/Miami.

[DevilsAssassin]

Folks, Nene could be heading to MIAMI this season!!!

http://gyazo.com/5ddf76a42880cff45bb0831368223a6b.png

[Rowe]

Sorry to report this news Nuggets fans but I had a feeling.

http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/33584531

Nuggets fans dont want him back at the price he is going to command as a "Franchise player".

Im not sure how Miami is even a realistic possibility because there is no way Denver will want back a collection of 30+ role players on longterm contracts in Miller, Haslem, & Anthony.

Golden State looks like the ideal destination.

PG - Curry
SG- Monta
SF- Wright
PF- Lee
C- Nene

6th Man - Thompson

That is a good starting 5.

They need some vets on their bench but that team realistically could be a "sleeper" contender much like Memphis was last season. They have a good starting 5 all around, but Monta will have to elevate his game to get them to the next level as their star.

[DevilsAssassin]

Nuggets fans dont want him back at the price he is going to command as a "Franchise player".

Im not sure how Miami is even a realistic possibility because there is no way Denver will want back a collection of 30+ role players on longterm contracts in Miller, Haslem, & Anthony.

Golden State looks like the ideal destination.

PG - Curry
SG- Monta
SF- Wright
PF- Lee
C- Nene

6th Man - Thompson

That is a good starting 5.

They need some vets on their bench but that team realistically could be a "sleeper" contender much like Memphis was last season. They have a good starting 5 all around, but Monta will have to elevate his game to get them to the next level as their star.

David Lee 80 million 6 years....... definitely not worth his contract.

Nene is going to command a near max deal, and he isn't worth that.

And that is probably going to end being one of the worst defensive starting 5 of alltime.

That team isn't going anywhere in the West.

[mountainmamba]

Denver is awful, Colorado is awful, the people are awful.


This based on what exactly?

[Fiasco]

Folks, Nene could be heading to MIAMI this season!!!

http://gyazo.com/5ddf76a42880cff45bb0831368223a6b.png

No, he won't. :facepalm

[boozehound]

This based on what exactly?
just trying to troll no doubt. I do agree that denver has some suck to it (all big cities do IMO, especially in the west where they developed after automobiles), it is a great city and colorado is an awesome state for the most part.

[Brujesino]

Alot of warrior fans want him but not me especially if he wants a ton of money.

[Rowe]

David Lee 80 million 6 years....... definitely not worth his contract.

Nene is going to command a near max deal, and he isn't worth that.

And that is probably going to end being one of the worst defensive starting 5 of alltime.

That team isn't going anywhere in the West.

I can guarantee they will make the Playoffs.

You're really underrating that starting 5.

I also forgot to mention a potential breakout 3rd year for Steph Curry, he has all of the tools to be a superstar in the NBA. The best shooting PG other than Steve Nash and he has really improved as far as being a PG since his college days.

[Bigsmoke]

Folks, Nene could be heading to MIAMI this season!!!

http://gyazo.com/5ddf76a42880cff45bb0831368223a6b.png


:rockon:

[Brujesino]

Nuggets fans dont want him back at the price he is going to command as a "Franchise player".

Im not sure how Miami is even a realistic possibility because there is no way Denver will want back a collection of 30+ role players on longterm contracts in Miller, Haslem, & Anthony.

Golden State looks like the ideal destination.

PG - Curry
SG- Monta
SF- Wright
PF- Lee
C- Nene

6th Man - Thompson

That is a good starting 5.

They need some vets on their bench but that team realistically could be a "sleeper" contender much like Memphis was last season. They have a good starting 5 all around, but Monta will have to elevate his game to get them to the next level as their star.
Hell no dont want that we need a defensive center not a bigger,less of a rebounder then Lee.

[Fatal9]

Warriors would be a nice fit. Don't need to amnesty Biedrins to get him (they've said they aren't going to use it on him, 7 footers are valuable trade bait), can amnesty a guy like Charlie Bell instead. I think it makes them a 7-8 seed if they stay healthy but not sure where they go from there in the future (need to trade Monta for sure imo).


But I think Lacob is an antsy guy. I know he is. So is Jerry West. They’ve been sitting and waiting through this long labor process and they’re just dying to make a move.

The guy they want is Nene. If they can get just enough room to throw a big deal at him, that’s what the Warriors will want to do.

Slicing off Bell’s $4.1M could give them that room to at least make the offer to Nene (or another big man). I don’t know if he’ll take it, but I know the Warriors will want to put it in front of him.

And see what he does in the new world of the NBA, which doesn’t seem a lot different than the old one.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2011/11/26/the-nba-deal-games-on-christmas-and-free-agent-madness-starting-soon/

I'm not as down on Lee as most people, think he had a down year adjusting to a new team and will bounce back (but not enough to justify his contract). There's talk of them using amnesty on him as well...would make sense if can get Nene to replace him with a shorter contract. But I think it's unrealistic that owners decide to pay a guy that much money for doing nothing...it's not like Lee is chopped liver, just overpaid by about 2-3 million a year.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/warriors-talk/post/Lee-a-better-candidate-for-amnesty-than-?blockID=602370&feedID=5882

[swi7ch]

MIA or bust.

[Rowe]

Hell no dont want that we need a defensive center not a bigger,less of a rebounder then Lee.

Tyson Chandler would be a good fit too.

They probably could get Chandler at $10 Million per year knowing that Dallas basically has no power to pay him with the new Luxury Tax.

4/$40 Million? If not bump it up to 4/$45 Million?

I might be wrong but I think he is originally from the Bay Area.

[Kurosawa0]

Colorado is an awesome state for the most part.

Great state to visit, but living there isn't a lot of fun. I lived in Colorado Springs for over a year and, while it's gorgeous, the cold really, really sucks.

[OmniStrife]

Meh. I actually think he's a bit overrated.

I'm happy with having the Polish Hammer! :pimp:

[Brujesino]

Tyson Chandler would be a good fit too.

They probably could get Chandler at $10 Million per year knowing that Dallas basically has no power to pay him with the new Luxury Tax.

4/$40 Million? If not bump it up to 4/$45 Million?

I might be wrong but I think he is originally from the Bay Area.
I would prefer that over Nene.Even though we would have 2 centers who are pretty much the same.Only tyson would be a whole lot more confident.

[mountainmamba]

Great state to visit, but living there isn't a lot of fun. I lived in Colorado Springs for over a year and, while it's gorgeous, the cold really, really sucks.

I went to college in the Springs for 4 years, its not that bad. Denver is a lot better but neither are terrible

[Rowe]

I would prefer that over Nene.Even though we would have 2 centers who are pretty much the same.Only tyson would be a whole lot more confident.

That would probably only occur if you amnesty Biedrins.

His confidence is shot. But I'd take him in New York for the cheap.:oldlol:

[Kurosawa0]

I went to college in the Springs for 4 years, its not that bad. Denver is a lot better but neither are terrible

It wasn't horrible. I live in Oregon now and I'll take the Pacific Northwest 10 times out 10 though.

[bagelred]

http://www.bestnba.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/act_timofey_mozgov.jpg

"You say NeNe.....I say NyetNyet.
Mozzy only center Nyuggets need."

[Clippersfan86]

LOL at whoever negged me simple for making this thread :oldlol: . Your red bar reputation didn't affect my rep status boy!

[alwaysunny]

http://www.bestnba.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/act_timofey_mozgov.jpg

"You say NeNe.....I say NyetNyet.
Mozzy only center Nyuggets need."

DAAAAAAA

[kurple]

Sorry to report this news Nuggets fans but I had a feeling.

http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/33584531
Thats terrible news if true

But I agree with the ones that doesn't think he's worth the max.

Maybe there is a way we can get Kaman from LAC

[Brujesino]

That would probably only occur if you amnesty Biedrins.

His confidence is shot. But I'd take him in New York for the cheap.:oldlol:
I think we have 9 mill in cap space.We would probably amnesty charlie bell, i think we would have enough for tyson.Also rumors that portland might amnesty Roy and the Warriors are very interested in him and Roy with the warriors as well.

[DuMa]

its just a bargaining ploy by nene's agent

[niko]

just trying to troll no doubt. I do agree that denver has some suck to it (all big cities do IMO, especially in the west where they developed after automobiles), it is a great city and colorado is an awesome state for the most part.
Denver is VERY nice, albeit cold. It's not a tiny market either. Because Melo wanted to be in NY, it becamse "Melo wants to leave tiny crappy city for NY" as opposed to "Melo wants to live in NY which has nothing to do with the city he is leaving". Everytime i see Denver rumors now, it seems to always come up "because it's denver". Denver is nice, it's not a Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Detroit type city that has bad weather, big city problems and is getting poor. It's a type of place you'd like more if you wanted a smaller (but not too small) city and if you like the outdoors, because most of Colorado is pretty barren but nice.

I liked it in Denver.

[Fiasco]

Thats terrible news if true

But I agree with the ones that doesn't think he's worth the max.

Maybe there is a way we can get Kaman from LAC

You can give us Gallinari and Afflalo. :D

[InspiredLebowski]

I like Nene a good bit, but if he gets a max deal it just illustrates the problems the lockout didn't come close to solving.

[ihatetimthomas]

He already said before the lockout that he was going to opt out and that it was time he moved on from Denver. Not surprising at all

[DevilsAssassin]

He already said before the lockout that he was going to opt out and that it was time he moved on from Denver. Not surprising at all

The Nuggets are smart not to offer him an extension.

[All Net]

It's over for everybody if Miami get him.

[NuggetsFan]

I like Nene. Reaaally didn't want Denver to throw huge bucks at him tho. Remember him saying something about not playing late into his career. Doesn't have the mentality or aggressiveness to consistently be the guy that his new paycheck will want him to be(on Denver atleast).

I was surprised he opted out. With the CBA changing think he was due something like 10 mill with Denver? So he either doesn't care about cash or thinks he's going to get 12+ from somebody and I'm happy that somebody won't be Denver.

Pretty much assures Denver's well rounded depth attack is gone tho, changes the entire direction of the team. Here's hoping they don't match absurd offers for AA and just let Lawson|Gallo struggle there way to a decent lotto pick. Build through the draft, good 8 year span but too many holes at this point to just plug and fix.

[Fatal9]

I like Nene a good bit, but if he gets a max deal it just illustrates the problems the lockout didn't come close to solving.
Yea...I'm kind of suprised max is being thrown around for him.

Guys on ESPN are acting like he's actually worth that much money.


http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-on-5-free-agents-111128/what-top-nba-free-agents-really-worth




What would you offer Nene?

John Hollinger, ESPN.com: Four years, $52 million. Nene is a near-max player in any environment, but especially in the revised one where the risk is mitigated by the maximum four-year duration for any team other than Denver. Obviously, for the Nuggets he's worth the extra year, which would take the total value to five years and closer to $65 million.

Rob Mahoney, The Two Man Game: Four years, $60 million. Nene's effectiveness is naturally dependent on team context, but he's a terrific defensive center with a productive offensive game. Don't sweat his classification as a sub-elite big man; I'd open my wallet for defensive consistency and efficient post play, both of which are Nene staples. The kicker: Even at 29, we haven't seen Nene utilized to his full potential on either end of the court.

Jeremy Schmidt, Bucksketball: Four years, $36 million. In terms of offensive efficiency, Nene doesn't have a peer in this group. Defensively, he's a firm third behind Tyson Chandler and Marc Gasol, though. The league's favorable offensive perimeter rules make it all the more important for centers to be imposing back-line defenders, so it's hard to commit franchise money to Nene for an extended period.

Ethan Sherwood Strauss, HoopSpeak: I believe Nene is worth $13 million per year under the old CBA. Since the owners won massive concessions, I can only assume he is now worth 1/100th of this, plus a tin of shriveled sardines. In all furrowed seriousness, I would still give Nene four years, $52 million. Unselfish, efficient, he sets the tone for a Denver collective that hummed post-Melo.

When did this happen :facepalm

[Rowe]

I like Nene. Reaaally didn't want Denver to throw huge bucks at him tho. Remember him saying something about not playing late into his career. Doesn't have the mentality or aggressiveness to consistently be the guy that his new paycheck will want him to be(on Denver atleast).

I was surprised he opted out. With the CBA changing think he was due something like 10 mill with Denver? So he either doesn't care about cash or thinks he's going to get 12+ from somebody and I'm happy that somebody won't be Denver.

Pretty much assures Denver's well rounded depth attack is gone tho, changes the entire direction of the team. Here's hoping they don't match absurd offers for AA and just let Lawson|Gallo struggle there way to a decent lotto pick. Build through the draft, good 8 year span but too many holes at this point to just plug and fix.

Be prepared. Afflalo is going to get some ridiculous offers.

[boozehound]

It's over for everybody if Miami get him.
how the **** does miami get him? they have no room to do anything. unless its some sort of SnT for haslem and ? miller? would denver take it?

[Clippersfan86]

I like Nene. Reaaally didn't want Denver to throw huge bucks at him tho. Remember him saying something about not playing late into his career. Doesn't have the mentality or aggressiveness to consistently be the guy that his new paycheck will want him to be(on Denver atleast).

I was surprised he opted out. With the CBA changing think he was due something like 10 mill with Denver? So he either doesn't care about cash or thinks he's going to get 12+ from somebody and I'm happy that somebody won't be Denver.

Pretty much assures Denver's well rounded depth attack is gone tho, changes the entire direction of the team. Here's hoping they don't match absurd offers for AA and just let Lawson|Gallo struggle there way to a decent lotto pick. Build through the draft, good 8 year span but too many holes at this point to just plug and fix.

Yup. You're one the Nuggets fan here I like so I wish you well in the future with the team. I just think it would be wise to go into full blown rebuild mode now rather than get caught in that Phoenix Suns, Houston Rockets zone where you win 40 games and miss the playoffs.

You guys had good success under Melo and just need to move on. Only thing that sucks is that pretty soon here you're going to have nothing left to show for Melo trade besides the draft picks and cash. Only player likely to stay is Gallo. Felton is already gone, Andre Miller is a guaranteed amnesty according to sources, Chandler is locked into China... then you have Nene bailing and JR Smith and Kenyon are definitely gone.

[Rowe]

Yea...I'm kind of suprised max is being thrown around for him.

Guys on ESPN are acting like he's actually worth that much money.


http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-on-5-free-agents-111128/what-top-nba-free-agents-really-worth



When did this happen :facepalm

The NBA's issues with overrating talent & overspending went further than the lockout.

Once, Nene is off the market. DeAndre Jordan is next up to be overpaid.

DeAndre Jordan has never averaged 10 PPG but he is going to get $10 Million per year in this market.

[All Net]

how the **** does miami get him? they have no room to do anything. unless its some sort of SnT for haslem and ? miller? would denver take it?
If he takes the MLE which he could be open to judging about being interested in signing there. Hopefully that won't be the case.

[Rowe]

how the **** does miami get him? they have no room to do anything. unless its some sort of SnT for haslem and ? miller? would denver take it?

I doubt it.

Each guy is due their contract for another 4 years into their mid 30's.

[JohnnyWall]

If he takes the MLE which he could be open to judging about being interested in signing there. Hopefully that won't be the case.

If Miami is able to grab Nene, the NBA should unequivocally consider the new CBA a systemic failure.

[Rowe]

If he takes the MLE which he could be open to judging about being interested in signing there. Hopefully that won't be the case.

That means 4/$20 Million this time around.

Although Nene may want to join the Heat, him taking such a massive paycut would be the only way to do it.

Miami is more likely to get Dalembert for that price.

[Clippersfan86]

Actually you guys are joking about Mozgov but I think he's got great potential. He will never be a star but I think he can get to that Dalembert, Biedrins level where he can put up a double double and be a physical defender in the paint.

[mountainmamba]

Actually you guys are joking about Mozgov but I think he's got great potential. He will never be a star but I think he can get to that Dalembert, Biedrins level where he can put up a double double and be a physical defender in the paint.

if he ever removes his head from griffin's crotch then maybe

[All Net]

That means 4/$20 Million this time around.

Although Nene may want to join the Heat, him taking such a massive paycut would be the only way to do it.

Miami is more likely to get Dalembert for that price.
I agree I don't see dalembert going anywhere else but Miami.

[niko]

No one leaves $30M on the table when at most you can get $50M total. No ****ing way. There is ZERO chance he goes to MIami. It's one of those wishful thinking type things that people think if they say enough, it will happen. It will not.

ZERO chance.

BTW, i don't get the reason everyone thinks Dalembert doesn't care about a big payday. He's not exactly Mr. Basketball. You think he leaves big money on the table? If money is a little less, Miami is in it. If it's 50% or so, please....no way.

[Clippersfan86]

if he ever removes his head from griffin's crotch then maybe

Gordon got him twice too. He's an aggressive defender so he's going to get dunked on more. He's actually the player that caused Gordon to miss 20 games last year. Gordon had already missed like 7 but he came back and Mozgov gave him a super hard, dirty hit, not even going for the ball at all that made his wrist injury MUCH worse. I was shocked the refs didn't call a flagrant. It was worse than what Griffin did to Horford... except that Mozgov didn't go flying as well.

[G-train]

I agree I don't see dalembert going anywhere else but Miami.

Miami would be better off with Aaron Gray.

[G-train]

Gordon got him twice too. He's an aggressive defender so he's going to get dunked on more. He's actually the player that caused Gordon to miss 20 games last year. Gordon had already missed like 7 but he came back and Mozgov gave him a super hard, dirty hit, not even going for the ball at all that made his wrist injury MUCH worse. I was shocked the refs didn't call a flagrant. It was worse than what Griffin did to Horford... except that Mozgov didn't go flying as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A49Js5CZlWw

Terrible homer description of the play Clippersfan.

[NugzFan]

Be prepared. Afflalo is going to get some ridiculous offers.


Doesn't matter. We have to spend a ton of money now..starts with AA.

As for nene, I like him but for a huge price tag he's got to go. I only wanted him back at a reasonable amount.

[Clippersfan86]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A49Js5CZlWw

Terrible homer description of the play Clippersfan.

Ugh dude... He fu**ing clobbered him. He got all head and arms. Nowhere near the ball. He literally gripped Eric Gordon's head. He was clearly mad because the Clippers had been dunking all over him this season with multiple posters.

[bdreason]

Isn't half the Denver lineup locked into deals in China through the end of March?

[Clippersfan86]

Isn't half the Denver lineup locked into deals in China through the end of March?

Chandler, Jr and Kenyon are.

[mountainmamba]

Isn't half the Denver lineup locked into deals in China through the end of March?

3 guys including 2 who probably werent going to be re-signed anyways..hardly half.

[fatboy11]

I think he would be a great addition for Rockets, but I'd be hesitant to give him a huge contract. He's a talented big, so I guess that really isn't much other choice.

[christian1923]

stay in denver! they got the best weed

[G-train]

Ugh dude... He fu**ing clobbered him. He got all head and arms. Nowhere near the ball. He literally gripped Eric Gordon's head. He was clearly mad because the Clippers had been dunking all over him this season with multiple posters.

It wasn't that hard, he just got hit off balance and landed hard.
And initially it was clearly a block attempt that turned into a hard foul.

[Clippersfan86]

It wasn't that hard, he just got hit off balance and landed hard.
And initially it was clearly a block attempt that turned into a hard foul.

Based on the NBA's rules it should of been a flagrant one AT LEAST. Clippers took a lot of hard fouls like that last season and got no calls. Refs don't respect the Clippers, never have. Which is why Blake got into so many confrontations last year.

[boozehound]

Based on the NBA's rules it should of been a flagrant one AT LEAST. Clippers took a lot of hard fouls like that last season and got no calls. Refs don't respect the Clippers, never have. Which is why Blake got into so many confrontations last year.
bill laimbeer says hi.

[Clippersfan86]

bill laimbeer says hi.

2011 says hi. Durant and Wade say hi.

[G-train]

Based on the NBA's rules it should of been a flagrant one AT LEAST. Clippers took a lot of hard fouls like that last season and got no calls. Refs don't respect the Clippers, never have. Which is why Blake got into so many confrontations last year.

My point remains it looked much worse than what it was. He got hit off balance and landed hard, he wasnt clobbered. He got fouled hard. Sounded like you were tearing up in your description. Happens every game that foul.

Griffin got in confrontations because he is an arrogant player that kept dunking on people and trying to dunk on people. It was play style more than reffing.

[PowerGlove]

just trying to troll no doubt. I do agree that denver has some suck to it (all big cities do IMO, especially in the west where they developed after automobiles), it is a great city and colorado is an awesome state for the most part.

I thought denver was a progressive city with a downtown sector that only had public transit, no cars.

Or do you mean they were developed after the car became America's main souce of transportation?

[DFish]

My point remains it looked much worse than what it was. He got hit off balance and landed hard, he wasnt clobbered. He got fouled hard. Sounded like you were tearing up in your description. Happens every game that foul.

Griffin got in confrontations because he is an arrogant player that kept dunking on people and trying to dunk on people. It was play style more than reffing.

In-game dunking is a display of arrogance?

[Clippersfan86]

My point remains it looked much worse than what it was. He got hit off balance and landed hard, he wasnt clobbered. He got fouled hard. Sounded like you were tearing up in your description. Happens every game that foul.

Griffin got in confrontations because he is an arrogant player that kept dunking on people and trying to dunk on people. It was play style more than reffing.

Yea... if you try to dunk you're going to get hurt more but there is no excuse for flagrant fouls where a play on the ball isn't occurring. This isn't the 80's and 90's bro. Griffin and Gordon were flagrantly fouled multiple times last year. With Griffin people didn't even try to get the ball.. they just clotheslined him, choked him etc.

[G-train]

Mozgov made the right play in that situation. The right basketball play.

If a guard comes into the paint and jumps in the air at you, block the shot or foul hard.

It is not Mozgov's problem if he enters the arena with a wrist injury.

[Clippersfan86]

In-game dunking is a display of arrogance?

Yup. You can't try to finish on people.. or you deserve to get knocked on your ass. That was the mentality of NBA fans towards Griffin this year. Haywood even said "Not ever dunk can be a dunk contest dunk" after he flagrantly fouled Griffin. All Griffin did was blow by him and go for a reverse dunk. Haywood literally just grabbed his arm and pulled him down.

IMO if you can't play D and get beat.. it's a chicken sh** move to take somebody down. This isn't the NFL. If you can't play defense... tough sh**.

[Clippersfan86]

Mozgov made the right play in that situation. The right basketball play.

If a guard comes into the paint and jumps in the air at you, block the shot or foul hard.

It is not Mozgov's problem if he enters the arena with a wrist injury.

It's easy to say that when it doesn't cost your teams player nearly 30 games and kill all momentum of your team.

[G-train]

In-game dunking is a display of arrogance?

Constantly trying to dunk on people, staring people down, pushing around veterans as a rookie.... will be deemed arrogant by most players and cause confrontation.

[christian1923]

Constantly trying to dunk on people, staring people down, pushing around veterans as a rookie.... will be deemed arrogant by most players and cause confrontation.

i call it swag

[G-train]

It's easy to say that when it doesn't cost your teams player nearly 30 games and kill all momentum of your team.

Dont leap into the paint with a wrist injury and expect not to get hit.

Basketball.

[DirtySanchez]

He would be great with the Warriors.

Will this have to be a trade?

If I was the Warriors I'd give them Monta or Curry for him.

[G-train]

Yup. You can't try to finish on people.. or you deserve to get knocked on your ass. That was the mentality of NBA fans towards Griffin this year. Haywood even said "Not ever dunk can be a dunk contest dunk" after he flagrantly fouled Griffin. All Griffin did was blow by him and go for a reverse dunk. Haywood literally just grabbed his arm and pulled him down.

IMO if you can't play D and get beat.. it's a chicken sh** move to take somebody down. This isn't the NFL. If you can't play defense... tough sh**.

Correct fouling is part of good defence.

[Clippersfan86]

Constantly trying to dunk on people, staring people down, pushing around veterans as a rookie.... will be deemed arrogant by most players and cause confrontation.

He's a post player who plays at a pretty much unseen energy/effort level.. and plays a physical game. There is a difference between other post players roughing Griffin up... and taking cheap shots at him by intentionally clotheslining him, choking him, hitting him in the balls etc.

Griffin is an INCREDIBLY strong dude and I feel bad for the player he snaps on. People always have this gay double standard for bigmen. If you're getting hammered all the time you're expected to take it.. but if you retaliate it's far more looked down upon than a guard lashing back.

[G-train]

i call it swag

that's why your in the stands

[Clippersfan86]

Correct fouling is part of good defence.

If you played basketball you'd know a correct foul isn't flagrantly fouling the guy you're defending when he blows by you. Maybe a good hard foul if he's been beating you all game.. but not a dirty one that can seriously injure a player. It's very poor sportsmanship. I'm all for playing 90's style basketball as long as refs allow Griffin to hit people too. Outside of Dwight Howard, Bynum and a couple others.. I honestly think almost anybody would be obliterated by hard fouls from Griffin.

I mean look at Griffin's hit on Horford for example. He went for ball, went straight up.. completely unlike Mozgov. Even Horford and Smith said he did the right thing and they complimented him for it. He seriously rocked Horford though. Now imagine him doing that but with intent to hurt or floor a player? Horford is a big boy..

[G-train]

He's a post player who plays at a pretty much unseen energy/effort level.. and plays a physical game. There is a difference between other post players roughing Griffin up... and taking cheap shots at him by intentionally clotheslining him, choking him, hitting him in the balls etc.

Griffin is an INCREDIBLY strong dude and I feel bad for the player he snaps on. People always have this gay double standard for bigmen. If you're getting hammered all the time you're expected to take it.. but if you retaliate it's far more looked down upon than a guard lashing back.

They do it because he wont snap. And even if he does, nothing will happen.
Any player that plays like Griffin will get hit. 1970, 1980, 1990, 2000, 2070. Doesnt matter.

[kurple]

I just don't see why Nene would want to leave Denver for other bad, small market teams.

I wouldn't mind a Nene -4- Kaman and Clippers 2012 1st

We need to fill the capspace with someone, and Kaman is a good replacement for Nene's post presence. + He's an expiring and wouldn't hurt our flexibility in the future.

Clippers get a post scorer they need without giving up Gordon for Dwight, They also keep their cap space to sign a SF like Prince or AK

Mo
Gordon
AK
Griffin
Nene

Jordan, Aminu, Bledoe and Minny pick of the bench

[Clippersfan86]

They do it because he wont snap. And even if he does, nothing will happen.
Any player that plays like Griffin will get hit. 1970, 1980, 1990, 2000, 2070. Doesnt matter.

Sure but just because it happens doesn't mean you should openly condone it. Or argue like it's perfectly fine to do it. If Griffin was on your team and constantly getting cheap shots you wouldn't find that offensive? I watched guys literally punch him in the balls just to get an advantage. It's ridiculous.

[brantonli]

Come down to Houston Nene! (lol, this will fail just like the Chris Bosh chase...)

[Clippersfan86]

I just don't see why Nene would want to leave Denver for other bad, small market teams.

I wouldn't mind a Nene -4- Kaman and Clippers 2012 1st

We need to fill the capspace with someone, and Kaman is a good replacement for Nene's post presence. + He's an expiring and wouldn't hurt our flexibility in the future.

Clippers get a post scorer they need without giving up Gordon for Dwight, They also keep their cap space to sign a SF like Prince or AK

Mo
Gordon
AK
Griffin
Nene

Kaman isn't much less valuable than Nene. Why the hell would they also give Wolves pick? Remember we don't have our 2012 pick.... Boston does.

[G-train]

If you played basketball you'd know a correct foul isn't flagrantly fouling the guy you're defending when he blows by you. Maybe a good hard foul if he's been beating you all game.. but not a dirty one that can seriously injure a player. It's very poor sportsmanship. I'm all for playing 90's style basketball as long as refs allow Griffin to hit people too. Outside of Dwight Howard, Bynum and a couple others.. I honestly think almost anybody would be obliterated by hard fouls from Griffin.

I've played professional basketball. Gordon didnt fly by mozgoz. He looked at him and try to leap over him while playing with a bad wrist. Centre made the right play, he went for the block, couldnt get it, so he hit him.
That is basketball.
In other circumstances, its a fine line between a hard foul and a flagrant. Sometimes in the heat of battle this area is very grey, and you get called for a flagrant.
Thats basketball.

Griffin wont make hard fouls, because he is rarely in position to do so, or to block, or to take charges.

[kurple]

Kaman isn't much less valuable than Nene. Why the hell would they also give Wolves pick? Remember we don't have our 2012 pick.... Boston does.
Then a future pick. I wasn't taking about the Minny pick.

I would say that Nene is quite more valuable at this point of their careers

[G-train]

Sure but just because it happens doesn't mean you should openly condone it. Or argue like it's perfectly fine to do it. If Griffin was on your team and constantly getting cheap shots you wouldn't find that offensive? I watched guys literally punch him in the balls just to get an advantage. It's ridiculous.

I condone making a hard foul if you cant block a player. Definitely.
Sometimes this crosses into flagrant, so be it.

That is winning basketball. Ugly, yes. But its a mans game. Hard hits happen to every great player that is a leaper.

If you dont like it, watch soccer.

[Clippersfan86]

I've played professional basketball. Gordon didnt fly by mozgoz. He looked at him and try to leap over him while playing with a bad wrist. Centre made the right play, he went for the block, couldnt get it, so he hit him.
That is basketball.
In other circumstances, its a fine line between a hard foul and a flagrant. Sometimes in the heat of battle this area is very grey, and you get called for a flagrant.
Thats basketball.

Griffin wont make hard fouls, because he is rarely in position to do so, or to block, or to take charges.

You've played professional basketball yet you think it's a clean foul when a 7 footer clobbers a SG and palms his head, not even getting near the ball :facepalm . Hey man... I'm okay with us not viewing things the same.... but like I said think of it from the perspective of if you were a fan who watched your players get victimized all year long.

Vince Carter was WAY more of a showboat than Griffin and I didn't see teams clotheslining him, punching him in the balls, choking him and ripping his jersey off.

So the idea that because Griffin is flashy= he deserves it is not logical. Like I said.... if Griffin is allowed to play the same way I'm all for it... but given that this league protects guards and leagues bigmen out to rot in hell now... it's unfair.

[Clippersfan86]

Then a future pick. I wasn't taking about the Minny pick.

I would say that Nene is quite more valuable at this point of their careers

I'd say Kaman is a C+ value... Nene is a B. Meaning there is a gap but not massive. I'd be down for a future pick.. mainly because I don't expect us to be in the lottery again for a very long time anyways. Thing is... Jordan may emerge as a younger, less injury prone, better defensive anchor than Nene.... and if that happens it was a waste.

Kaman will be moved for a SF most likely or as part of a bigger trade.

[Clippersfan86]

I condone making a hard foul if you cant block a player. Definitely.
Sometimes this crosses into flagrant, so be it.

That is winning basketball. Ugly, yes. But its a mans game. Hard hits happen to every great player that is a leaper.

If you dont like it, watch soccer.

So every time your man beat you on D you delivered a hard foul? :oldlol: . Dude what kind of defense do they teach you guys in Australia? Bogut surely doesn't play that way. I consider him a very classy, proper center.

[kurple]

I'd say Kaman is a C+ value... Nene is a B. Meaning there is a gap but not massive. I'd be down for a future pick.. mainly because I don't expect us to be in the lottery again for a very long time anyways. Thing is... Jordan may emerge as a younger, less injury prone, better defensive anchor than Nene.... and if that happens it was a waste.

Kaman will be moved for a SF most likely or as part of a bigger trade.
I'm not saying it will happen, but I hope they put it on the table if Nene makes it clear to the FO that he doesn't want to resign. I think they are still planning to resign him

[G-train]

You've played professional basketball yet you think it's a clean foul when a 7 footer clobbers a SG and palms his head, not even getting near the ball :facepalm . Hey man... I'm okay with us not viewing things the same.... but like I said think of it from the perspective of if you were a fan who watched your players get victimized all year long.

Vince Carter was WAY more of a showboat than Griffin and I didn't see teams clotheslining him, punching him in the balls, choking him and ripping his jersey off.

So the idea that because Griffin is flashy= he deserves it is not logical. Like I said.... if Griffin is allowed to play the same way I'm all for it... but given that this league protects guards and leagues bigmen out to rot in hell now... it's unfair.

I never said it was clean, I said that is how basketball is played professionally - and in any country. If you are fan watching this happening to a player its understandable, cos you are viewing it with blinders hiding reality.

Vince Carter took many many hits leaping at the basket. Did you ever watch full games of his with the raptors? Teams rarely went TOO far with him as his had a bodyguard (Oak). He eventually became a jump shooter because of the hard hits and flagrants, something I ahev personally heard him say from his own mouth. So poor example.

[G-train]

So every time your man beat you on D you delivered a hard foul? :oldlol: . Dude what kind of defense do they teach you guys in Australia? Bogut surely doesn't play that way. I consider him a very classy, proper center.

If you can. Its the same in the NBA. Most of the time when you get beat, you cant block or foul. Players are too fast.
Bogut doesn't need to hard foul very often, as his shot blocking and defensive positioning combined is better than anyone else in the world.

[Clippersfan86]

If you can. Its the same in the NBA. Most of the time when you get beat, you cant block or foul. Players are too fast.
Bogut doesn't need to hard foul very often, as his shot blocking and defensive positioning combined is better than anyone else in the world.

I suppose based on that Griffin is screwed and doomed to hard fouls. VERY few people can stay in front of Griffin. BTW you said even if Griffin snaps he won't do anything? Watch this video and tell me if this looks like a KG type of guy that's just making a scene because refs are around? Griffin looks like he literally wants to MURDER these guys. He even shoves the ref and yells at the ref. This isn't posturing. This is a kid sick of being mauled.

This particular foul was much more acceptable than the Mozgov one on Gordon. The thing is.. these are the types of defenses Griffin sees often so they deserve flagrants. Teams are more concerned about physically roughing up Griffin than actually stopping the ball.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIyXBm8OPXk

[Clippersfan86]

Nene Could Leave Nuggets Due to Lack of Respect:

The Nuggets should have the inside track to re-sign Nene.

The team can pay him more money than any other team and his wife is a native of the state, leading him to plan on making Colorado his permanent home when he retries.

But it may not be enough to entice him to stay with the team.

[32Dayz]

Denver has pretty good weed.

Not sure if anyone mentioned that yet.

:roll:

[Kiarip]

I suppose based on that Griffin is screwed and doomed to hard fouls. VERY few people can stay in front of Griffin. BTW you said even if Griffin snaps he won't do anything? Watch this video and tell me if this looks like a KG type of guy that's just making a scene because refs are around? Griffin looks like he literally wants to MURDER these guys. He even shoves the ref and yells at the ref. This isn't posturing. This is a kid sick of being mauled.

This particular foul was much more acceptable than the Mozgov one on Gordon. The thing is.. these are the types of defenses Griffin sees often so they deserve flagrants. Teams are more concerned about physically roughing up Griffin than actually stopping the ball.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIyXBm8OPXk

yeah he's gonna have a lot of problems with technicals in his career lol

[Kevin_Gamble]

I never said it was clean, I said that is how basketball is played professionally - and in any country. If you are fan watching this happening to a player its understandable, cos you are viewing it with blinders hiding reality.

Vince Carter took many many hits leaping at the basket. Did you ever watch full games of his with the raptors? Teams rarely went TOO far with him as his had a bodyguard (Oak). He eventually became a jump shooter because of the hard hits and flagrants, something I ahev personally heard him say from his own mouth. So poor example.

I'm glad someone recognizes this about VC. I cringe whenever people say some nonsense about VC not having heart for settling for jumpshots.

[Clippersfan86]

yeah he's gonna have a lot of problems with technicals in his career lol

He had like the 4th most in the NBA last season I think?

[NugzFan]

Come down to Houston Nene! (lol, this will fail just like the Chris Bosh chase...)

I'm pretty sure nene makes multiple million dollar decisions based on what fans say on message boards so it's a good thing you posted that!

[brantonli]

^^ There was just so much mentioning of Heat, Clippers, just thought I'd throw the Rockets out there :D

[Clippersfan86]

^^ There was just so much mentioning of Heat, Clippers, just thought I'd throw the Rockets out there :D

Houston deserves some luck with the recent bad things like Yao retiring, T-mac failure, Adelman leaving etc. Can't believe your front office traded Battier and let Adelman go though :facepalm . You think Chuck Wagon will be re-signed or is he gone?

[kurple]

http://www.denverpost.com/kiszla/ci_19429618

Not saying I agree with this, but it's a point of view that many Nuggets fans seems to have

[NuggetsFan]

http://www.denverpost.com/kiszla/ci_19429618

Not saying I agree with this, but it's a point of view that many Nuggets fans seems to have

Blow it up and tank. Don't sign anything but fillers this year. Get rid of Harrington and Birdman. Get rid of 'Dre for whatever. Only sign AA if it's a perfect deal. If a team tries to overpay him let him walk.

Lawson
Hamilton
Gallo
Faried
Mosgov

Throw out guy's like Kofus, Forbes and whatever other minimum guy's you sign in there. Draft in the top 8. Hope you pick up a good player and move forward with your Lawson|Gallo|Top pick core surrounded by younger guy's like Hamilton|Faried|Mosgov while maintaining your mass amount of cap space when the time comes to keep your current guy's or exchange them for whatever better out there come FA time down the line.

Of course you could completely miss on the draft and set the franchise back. Or Lawson and co could lead them out of the high lottery range. Always the chance Denver tries to re-sign everybody and goes out in FA picking up players and tries to compete this year. Witch would suck.

[bluechox2]

knicks fans, would you throw the 5 mil exception at nene if he wants to come over?

[kurple]

Blow it up and tank. Don't sign anything but fillers this year. Get rid of Harrington and Birdman. Get rid of 'Dre for whatever. Only sign AA if it's a perfect deal. If a team tries to overpay him let him walk.

Lawson
Hamilton
Gallo
Faried
Mosgov

Throw out guy's like Kofus, Forbes and whatever other minimum guy's you sign in there. Draft in the top 8. Hope you pick up a good player and move forward with your Lawson|Gallo|Top pick core surrounded by younger guy's like Hamilton|Faried|Mosgov while maintaining your mass amount of cap space when the time comes to keep your current guy's or exchange them for whatever better out there come FA time down the line.

Of course you could completely miss on the draft and set the franchise back. Or Lawson and co could lead them out of the high lottery range. Always the chance Denver tries to re-sign everybody and goes out in FA picking up players and tries to compete this year. Witch would suck.
I'm pretty sure we have to have at least a 50mill payroll

And amnesting Harrington wouldn't make any sense unless we need the cap space, Stan has to pay him either way

I would go for:
- Roy, Crawford or JRich this summer, or wait for next summer (A lot of good SG/SF's) if the right deal doesn't happen
- Try to get a quality big man. Either by keeping Nene, signing a FA like Gasol or West, or use either Nene or cap space to trade for one like Kaman, Jefferson, Scola or someone.
- Get a quality bench big. I like Landy and Diaw in this years FA class, but we can stick with Al one more season if Landry or Diaw doesn't happen as next years class is much deeper at that position with guys like Thompson, Hickson, Arthur, Ilyasova

Lets say something like this happens:

Lawson - Miller/Billups
Afflalo - Crawford/Roy
Gallo - Afflalo
Faried - Landy/Thompson
Nene/Kaman - Mozgov

+ Bird and JHam.

[JustinJDW]

4 years and 50+ million? Wow, don't know about that...

[Gory Lobotomist]

Nene could go on most teams and be successful. I would like to see him join up with the Nets or Clippers. The dude is so versatile its insane.

[Blue&Orange]

Lawson - Miller/Billups
Afflalo - Crawford/Roy
Gallo - Afflalo
Faried - Landy/Thompson
Nene/Kaman - Mozgov

+ Bird and JHam.
What's Billups doing there?

[Kiarip]

Nuggets gonna be garbage in the upcoming season either way unfortunately :(

[kurple]

What's Billups doing there?
what is thompson doing there? I talked about this FA class and next summers

[Kiarip]

why would you want billups back?