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28renyoy

11-29-2011, 03:56 PM

Who you got? I have it as a tie between AI and T-Mac. Both were extremely overrated chuckers that were cancerous, destroying multiple franchises on their way out. It seems that when you have flashy players, the majority of fans just ignore their efficiency/output and become enamored with their play styles. Carmelo Anthony is another example of this.

alwaysunny

11-29-2011, 03:57 PM

Oscar Robertson

EnoughSaid

11-29-2011, 03:58 PM

Kobe Bryant.

Phong

11-29-2011, 04:00 PM

The quitter who calls himself King and asks us to witness his third straight HCA loss.

pegasus

11-29-2011, 04:01 PM

Thus far, Lebron.

blablabla

11-29-2011, 04:03 PM

big o

brisbaneman

11-29-2011, 04:04 PM

Iverson would have been out of the league by 2002 if he were white.

JohnnyWall

11-29-2011, 04:06 PM

So far it's got to be LeBron, but that can change in future seasons. It's not even LeBron's fault either. People have done so much hyping with him, it's insane

brownmamba00

11-29-2011, 04:06 PM

Big O and Baylor

Shawn Kemp is a bit overrated aswell IMO

HurricaneKid

11-29-2011, 04:07 PM

Given all the people that argue he is the greatest player ever Kobe has to be in the conversation.

I don't buy TMac, though AI is probably a reasonable answer.

RRR3

11-29-2011, 04:07 PM

brisbaneman

11-29-2011, 04:08 PM

Given all the people that argue he is the greatest player ever Kobe has to be in the conversation.

I don't buy TMac, though AI is probably a reasonable answer.

Yes. I never understood the logic of respecting Iverson. It's always "But he is so small and makes such tough baskets!!!11" but I'd rather just have a normal sized shooting guard who doesn't compromise my team's offense and defense and doesn't need 40 shots a game.

32Dayz

11-29-2011, 04:08 PM

#1. Kobe

Huge Gap ---- :hammertime: :hammertime: :hammertime:

#2. Bill Russell
#3. Wilt Chamberlain

28renyoy

11-29-2011, 04:10 PM

The OP has an agenda for making this thread (still mad I said AI and TMac>>>Durant :oldlol: ) and the answer for many posters depends on their agendas. Who the hell overrates LeBron these days? Sure, he has his share of stans, but he has way more haters who discredit everything he does and act like he's a scrub.

yep, i sure am butthurt that 2 players in their mid 30's who are completely done in the league are ranked ahead of a kid who has played 4 years in the league :rolleyes:

JohnnyWall

11-29-2011, 04:11 PM

#1. Kobe

Huge Gap ---- :hammertime: :hammertime: :hammertime:

#2. Bill Russell
#3. Wilt Chamberlain

I'm not anti-Kobe

:lol

Fatal9

11-29-2011, 04:13 PM

Wilt
Isiah
Havlicek

would probably be my top 3.

32Dayz

11-29-2011, 04:15 PM

:lol

I am not Anti-Kobe but the dude is massively overrated.

He has won 5 Rings but has only clearly been the best player on his own team for one of them (09) and was a Pippen type player for 3 of then (00-02)

You can argue he was outplayed by Gasol in the 2010 Playoff and Finalz and statistically he was.

From 00-02 he did not elevate himself above VC or TMac.
From 00-05 he did not elevate himself above TMac.
From 05-11 he did not elevate himself above Wade or Lebron.

He got to play 8 years with the Jordan of his Era (Prime Shaq).
He got to play almost his entire Career with Phil Jackson.
He got to play the last 3-4 Years of his Career with a Top 3 League-Wide Supporting Cast and arguably the best front court in the league and best 3rd man / 6th man in Odom.

RRR3

11-29-2011, 04:16 PM

I am not Anti-Kobe but the dude is massively overrated.

He has won 5 Rings but has only clearly been the best player on his own team for one of them (09) and was a Pippen type player for 3 of then (00-02)

From 00-02 he did not elevate himself above VC or TMac.
From 00-05 he did not elevate himself above TMac.
From 05-11 he did not elevate himself above Wade or Lebron.

He got to play 8 years with the Jordan of his Era (Prime Shaq).
He got to play almost his entire Career with Phil Jackson.

You can argue he was outplayed by Gasol in the 2010 Playoff and Finalz and statistically he was.
:facepalm

JohnnyWall

11-29-2011, 04:17 PM

I am not Anti-Kobe but the dude is massively overrated.

He has won 5 Rings but has only clearly been the best player on his own team for one of them (09) and was a Pippen type player for 3 of then (00-02)

From 00-02 he did not elevate himself above VC or TMac.
From 00-05 he did not elevate himself above TMac.
From 05-11 he did not elevate himself above Wade or Lebron.

He got to play 8 years with the Jordan of his Era (Prime Shaq).
He got to play almost his entire Career with Phil Jackson.

You can argue he was outplayed by Gasol in the 2010 Playoff and Finalz and statistically he was.

You're a crazy person.

32Dayz

11-29-2011, 04:17 PM

:facepalm

Kobe was not clearly better then Vince Carter from 00-02.

After that he fizzled out and then yes Kobe was clearly better.

:facepalm

Sarcastic

11-29-2011, 04:18 PM

How are AI and TMac overrated? I have never seen them on anyone's top 20 list, or even top 30 list.

RRR3

11-29-2011, 04:19 PM

Kobe was not clearly better then Vince Carter from 00-02.

After that he fizzled out and then yes Kobe was clearly better.

:facepalm
Yes he was. VC was never quite on the level of T-Mac and Kobe. Agree to disagree.

BTW anyone find it ironic that the people who are being mentioned the most in this thread (Oscar, Wilt, LeBron) are three of the most hated on/underrated players on ISH? strange. :rolleyes:

32Dayz

11-29-2011, 04:23 PM

Yes he was. VC was never quite on the level of T-Mac and Kobe. Agree to disagree.

Fair enough but I do feel for that 2-3 Year stretch before his fire went out (perhaps due to lack of success) he was firmly on their level.

alwaysunny

11-29-2011, 04:26 PM

Yes he was. VC was never quite on the level of T-Mac and Kobe. Agree to disagree.

BTW anyone find it ironic that the people who are being mentioned the most in this thread (Oscar, Wilt, LeBron) are three of the most hated on/underrated players on ISH? strange. :rolleyes:

I'm a huge fan of Wilt and LeBron. Oscar is genuinely overrated due to his triple double stats which weren't getting the same recognition like they do today. Chris Broussard has him in his top 5 all-time. If that's not overrated I don't know what is.

There's a difference between being overrated and hated.

HurricaneKid

11-29-2011, 04:37 PM

You're a crazy person.

How about this:

Kobe has never once been #1 or #2 in the NBA in Win Shares or PER. Jordan was #1 16 times. Yet people are not only comparing the two but saying Kobe is better? That is crazy and proves just how overrated Kobe is here.

And I think he is outstanding.

blablabla

11-29-2011, 04:37 PM

I am not Anti-Kobe but the dude is massively overrated.

He has won 5 Rings but has only clearly been the best player on his own team for one of them (09) and was a Pippen type player for 3 of then (00-02)

You can argue he was outplayed by Gasol in the 2010 Playoff and Finalz and statistically he was.

From 00-02 he did not elevate himself above VC or TMac.
From 00-05 he did not elevate himself above TMac.
From 05-11 he did not elevate himself above Wade or Lebron.

He got to play 8 years with the Jordan of his Era (Prime Shaq).
He got to play almost his entire Career with Phil Jackson.
He got to play the last 3-4 Years of his Career with a Top 3 League-Wide Supporting Cast and arguably the best front court in the league and best 3rd man / 6th man in Odom.
c'mon son

32Dayz

11-29-2011, 04:39 PM

c'mon son

I really dont dislike Kobe.

I just hate how overrated he has become.

I always rooted for him from 97-04 when him and Shaq were a duo and I was cheering loudly everytime he made a basket.

I remember watching G2 of the Pistons series where he made the GWinner at my friends house and I was jumping up and down excited.

His arrogance and lack of appreciation for certain things has slightly lowered my opinion of him as a person but as a player I can appreciate what he has done.

Round Mound

11-29-2011, 04:46 PM

1-Allen Iverson
2-Bill Russell
3-Kobe Bryant

Mach_3

11-29-2011, 04:55 PM

How are AI and TMac overrated? I have never seen them on anyone's top 20 list, or even top 30 list.

Because idiots like to only look at stats when deciding how good a player is :banghead:

Duncan21formvp

11-29-2011, 05:06 PM

#1. Kobe

Huge Gap ---- :hammertime: :hammertime: :hammertime:

#2. Bill Russell
#3. Wilt Chamberlain

Those guys aren't overrated. They are all in the top 10 all time and belong there. Can even argue top 6-7 all time for all 3.

Clippersfan86

11-29-2011, 05:09 PM

Kevin Durant

WillyJakk

11-29-2011, 05:12 PM

Most of you know how I feel about the older 60's 70's guys so I won't even disrespect their achievements cause that's just how it was in their day so I'm gonna go w/ this guy:

http://www.dailythunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/kevin_durant_main.jpg

Dude needed a phantom call along w/ the refs allowing Perk and Ibaka to practically fistfight Z-Bo to get past him and the Grizz.

And yeah, I really really like Durant, just not sure if he's much more than a scoring machine (which ain't a bad thing), I just wanna see if he can lead.

DFish

11-29-2011, 05:15 PM

Agree with the Durant vote. I don't get the people saying Kobe or Lebron though. Both players receive plenty of underrating on this site especially.

Mr Know It All

11-29-2011, 05:38 PM

Bill Russell. Although in the modern era it is without question Kobe Bryant.

rodman91

11-29-2011, 06:05 PM

:lol @ Iverson being most overrated.He is still at 30-40 in GOAT rankings...How many guys did those below and considered at 30-40 range? How that can be overrating?

MVP.
4 scoring titles.
6th best ppg in NBA history.
2nd best ppg in NBA playoffs history.
3rd most 50 point games in NBA playoffs.
7 time all NBA.
11 time allstar.
2 allstar MVP
ROY
26.7 ppg 6.2 apg 2.2 spg in season career.
29.7 ppg 6.0 apg 2.1 spg in playoffs

Carried a weak team in finals.Defeated Vince Carter,Ray Allen.Scored 48 poinst against juggernaut Lakers and gave them only lost in playoffs.

OP has an agenda because it's written prime iverson & t-mac > durant before.

Kevin_Gamble

11-29-2011, 06:18 PM

I'm gonna go with Kevin Durant. He's basically Matt Bullard with a backpack.

Bernie Nips

11-29-2011, 06:42 PM

Kobe Burrrryant.

Smoke117

11-29-2011, 06:43 PM

Allen Iverson.

Pushxx

11-29-2011, 07:52 PM

Hmmm...most overrated NBA players...

Bob Cousy
Reggie Miller
Pete Maravich

Easy.

DaPerceive

11-29-2011, 09:49 PM

Wilt Chamberlain
Lebron James for now
Kevin Garnett
Reggie Miller
Oscar Robertson

I am just talking in general otherwise I would have added a player like Allen Iverson, Tracy McGrady, Pistol Pete, etc. Those five players I listed are generally overrated though.

airchibundo507

11-29-2011, 10:08 PM

Kevin Durant. His 30 ppg season was bullsh*t, as he had the anointing of Reverend Stern and was blessed with 10+ ticky-tack fouls a game, not to mention his disgraceful art of swiping through the arms of innocent, vulnerable defenders. When the free throws stopped coming as easily, his shoot numbers deflated back down to normal: 46% FG, 35% 3P FG.

Nevaeh

11-29-2011, 10:20 PM

Agree with the Durant vote. I don't get the people saying Kobe or Lebron though. Both players receive plenty of underrating on this site especially.

A Player who's 25/5/5 on 45% FG for his career is called "God" on this forum, and you don't think he's a bit overrated at all?

boyle777

11-29-2011, 10:28 PM

It has to be Oscar Robertson. Went to the finals something like 9 times to only win 1? Yet somehow some people throw his name in the top 6/7 of all time based on his huge stats. It's usually those same ppl who discredit someone like lebron based on his stats :confusedshrug:

Most overrated in the game today? Kobe and Lebron.

RRR3

11-29-2011, 10:29 PM

AI3Anthony

11-30-2011, 12:43 AM

How in the hell is Kevin Durant the most overrated player in NBA history? Or are you just trolling? :wtf:

Jacks3

11-30-2011, 12:56 AM

A Player who's 25/5/5 on 45% FG for his career is called "God" on this forum, and you don't think he's a bit overrated at all?
lol @ this clown. 25/5/5/2/56% TS over 15 yrs is insane.

Here are his numbers over nearly a decade:

28.5 PPG/5.8 RPG/5.4 APG/1.8 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS

Here are his seasons over this stretch:
29/6/5/2/55% TS
25/6/6/2/55% TS
30/7/6/2/1/55% TS
24/5/5/2/56% TS
28/6/6/1/56% TS
35/5/5/2/56% TS
32/6/5/2/58% TS
28/6/5/2/58% TS
27/5/5/2/56% TS
27/5/5/2/55% TS

Accolades/Accomplishments during this time:
4-Time NBA Champion
6-Time NBA Finalist
16X Player of the Month
8X All-NBA 1st Team
1X All-NBA 2nd Team
7X All-NBA 1st Team Defense
2X All-NBA 2nd Team Defense
9X All-Star
4X All-Star MVP
1X NBA-MVP
2X NBA-Finals MVP

Over this stretch he had:
24X 50+ point games
5X 60+ point games
105 40+ point games

Some of his sickest stretches:
9 straight 40+ point games (2003)
13 straight 35+ point games (2003)
4 straight 45+ point games (2006)
4 straight 50+ point games (2007)
Averaged 40+ PPG in four different months
Averaged 37/6/5/59% TS post All-Star Break (2007)
81 pts
62 pts in three quarters
8 different games where he recorded 50+ points through three quarters of play

Some of his best playoff runs:
2001: 29 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/56% TS. NBA Championship. Lakers go 15-1.
2002: 27 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/52% TS. NBA Championship.
2008: 30 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/58% TS. NBA Finals
2009: 30 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship
2010: 29 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship

The Greatness of Kobe Bean Bryant!!!
9X All-NBA 1st Team
2X All-NBA 2nd Team
2X All-NBA 3rd Team
9X All-NBA 1st Team Defense
2X All-NBA 2nd Team Defense
5X Top 5 DPOY/9X Top 10 DPOY
13X Time All-Star
4X Time All-Star MVP
2X NBA Finals MVP
1X NBA MVP
10th All-Time in MVP Shares
2X Scoring Champion
5 Time NBA Champion
7 Time NBA Finalist
10 55+ Win Seasons
15X Player of the Month Winner
Slam Dunk Champion (1997)
#1 Offensive APM (10 Year Study)
#10 All-Time in WAR
24 Career Average PER (15 Seasons)
2X Gold Medalist
Sporting News Player of the Decade
TNT Player of the Decade
ESPN Player of the Decade
Sports Illustrated Top 20 Male Athlete of the Decade (2000s) #7 (the only NBA player in the top 10)

Has more 50+ point games than any player in history not named Wilt or Jordan (25)
Has more 40+ point games than any player in history not named Wilt or Jordan (110)
Has more 60+ point games than any player in history not named Wilt (5)
Record Holder: Highest percentage of team points (2005-2006)
Record Holder: Most threes in one game (12)
Only player in history to score at least 600 points in three consecutive post-seasons
2001-2010 RS: 28.6 PPG/5.7 RPG/5.4 APG/1.7 SPG/0.6 BPG/56% TS
2001-2010 PS: 28.8 PPG/5.8 RPG/5.2 APG/1.8 SPG/0.6 BPG/56% TS
Some of his best seasons:
35 PPG/5 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS
32 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/1.5 SPG/0.5 BPG/58% TS
30 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/1 BPG/55% TS
29 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/0.6 BPG/55% TS
28 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/0.5 BPG/58% TS
27 PPG/5 RPG/5 APG/1.5 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS
27 PPG/5 RPG/5 APG/1.5 SPG/0.4 BPG/55% TS
28 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/1.4 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS
26 PPG/6 APG/6 RPG/2 SPG/0.6 BPG/55% TS
Some of his best post-seasons:
29 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/1 BPG/56% TS (16 games)
27 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/0.5 BPG/52% TS (22 games)
30 PPG/6 APG/6 APG/1.4 SPG/0.5 BPG/58% TS (22 games)
30 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/1.5 SPG/0.4 BPG/57% TS (23 games)
29 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/1.4 SPG/0.4 BPG/57% TS (23 games)
29 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/1.3 SPG/0.3 BPG/58% TS (7 games)
33 PPG/5 RPG/5 APG/1.4 SPG/0.4 BPG/56% TS (5 games)
4 straight 45+ point games (2006)
4 straight 50+ point games (2007)
9 straight 40+ point games (2003)
13 straight 35+ point games (2003)
81 pts
62 points in three quarters. Outscored opposing team by himself.
27 40+ point games in one season (Only Wilt/Jordan have done that)
10 50+ point games in one season (Only player beside Wilt to do so)
Has three different games where he scored 30+ in one quarter.
Has six different games where he scored 50+ pts though three quarters.
Has five different months where he averaged 40+ PPG.
One of seven players ever with 25,000 pts/5,000 rbs/5,000 asts
6th on All-Time Scoring List
4th on All-Time Playoff Scoring List

Yeah, that guy isn't a basketball God.

Clown. :oldlol:

Jacks3

11-30-2011, 12:57 AM

lol @ the morons saying Kobe or LeBron. :facepalm

Nevaeh

11-30-2011, 01:10 AM

lol @ this clown. 25/5/5/2/56% TS over 15 yrs is insane.

Here are his numbers over nearly a decade:

28.5 PPG/5.8 RPG/5.4 APG/1.8 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS

Here are his seasons over this stretch:
29/6/5/2/55% TS
25/6/6/2/55% TS
30/7/6/2/1/55% TS
24/5/5/2/56% TS
28/6/6/1/56% TS
35/5/5/2/56% TS
32/6/5/2/58% TS
28/6/5/2/58% TS
27/5/5/2/56% TS
27/5/5/2/55% TS

Accolades/Accomplishments during this time:
4-Time NBA Champion
6-Time NBA Finalist
16X Player of the Month
8X All-NBA 1st Team
1X All-NBA 2nd Team
7X All-NBA 1st Team Defense
2X All-NBA 2nd Team Defense
9X All-Star
4X All-Star MVP
1X NBA-MVP
2X NBA-Finals MVP

Over this stretch he had:
24X 50+ point games
5X 60+ point games
105 40+ point games

Some of his sickest stretches:
9 straight 40+ point games (2003)
13 straight 35+ point games (2003)
4 straight 45+ point games (2006)
4 straight 50+ point games (2007)
Averaged 40+ PPG in four different months
Averaged 37/6/5/59% TS post All-Star Break (2007)
81 pts
62 pts in three quarters
8 different games where he recorded 50+ points through three quarters of play

Some of his best playoff runs:
2001: 29 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/56% TS. NBA Championship. Lakers go 15-1.
2002: 27 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/52% TS. NBA Championship.
2008: 30 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/58% TS. NBA Finals
2009: 30 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship
2010: 29 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship

The Greatness of Kobe Bean Bryant!!!
9X All-NBA 1st Team
2X All-NBA 2nd Team
2X All-NBA 3rd Team
9X All-NBA 1st Team Defense
2X All-NBA 2nd Team Defense
5X Top 5 DPOY/9X Top 10 DPOY
13X Time All-Star
4X Time All-Star MVP
2X NBA Finals MVP
1X NBA MVP
10th All-Time in MVP Shares
2X Scoring Champion
5 Time NBA Champion
7 Time NBA Finalist
10 55+ Win Seasons
15X Player of the Month Winner
Slam Dunk Champion (1997)
#1 Offensive APM (10 Year Study)
#10 All-Time in WAR
24 Career Average PER (15 Seasons)
2X Gold Medalist
Sporting News Player of the Decade
TNT Player of the Decade
ESPN Player of the Decade
Sports Illustrated Top 20 Male Athlete of the Decade (2000s) #7 (the only NBA player in the top 10)

Has more 50+ point games than any player in history not named Wilt or Jordan (25)
Has more 40+ point games than any player in history not named Wilt or Jordan (110)
Has more 60+ point games than any player in history not named Wilt (5)
Record Holder: Highest percentage of team points (2005-2006)
Record Holder: Most threes in one game (12)
Only player in history to score at least 600 points in three consecutive post-seasons
2001-2010 RS: 28.6 PPG/5.7 RPG/5.4 APG/1.7 SPG/0.6 BPG/56% TS
2001-2010 PS: 28.8 PPG/5.8 RPG/5.2 APG/1.8 SPG/0.6 BPG/56% TS
Some of his best seasons:
35 PPG/5 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS
32 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/1.5 SPG/0.5 BPG/58% TS
30 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/1 BPG/55% TS
29 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/0.6 BPG/55% TS
28 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/0.5 BPG/58% TS
27 PPG/5 RPG/5 APG/1.5 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS
27 PPG/5 RPG/5 APG/1.5 SPG/0.4 BPG/55% TS
28 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/1.4 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS
26 PPG/6 APG/6 RPG/2 SPG/0.6 BPG/55% TS
Some of his best post-seasons:
29 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/1 BPG/56% TS (16 games)
27 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/0.5 BPG/52% TS (22 games)
30 PPG/6 APG/6 APG/1.4 SPG/0.5 BPG/58% TS (22 games)
30 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/1.5 SPG/0.4 BPG/57% TS (23 games)
29 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/1.4 SPG/0.4 BPG/57% TS (23 games)
29 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/1.3 SPG/0.3 BPG/58% TS (7 games)
33 PPG/5 RPG/5 APG/1.4 SPG/0.4 BPG/56% TS (5 games)
4 straight 45+ point games (2006)
4 straight 50+ point games (2007)
9 straight 40+ point games (2003)
13 straight 35+ point games (2003)
81 pts
62 points in three quarters. Outscored opposing team by himself.
27 40+ point games in one season (Only Wilt/Jordan have done that)
10 50+ point games in one season (Only player beside Wilt to do so)
Has three different games where he scored 30+ in one quarter.
Has six different games where he scored 50+ pts though three quarters.
Has five different months where he averaged 40+ PPG.
One of seven players ever with 25,000 pts/5,000 rbs/5,000 asts
6th on All-Time Scoring List
4th on All-Time Playoff Scoring List

Yeah, that guy isn't a basketball God.

Clown. :oldlol:

All of that, and yet he still somehow ends up being a career 25/5/5 45% player. Where they do that at?

Celtics4ever

11-30-2011, 01:13 AM

32Dayz

11-30-2011, 01:13 AM

2nd Year Wade Playoff Numbers.
27PPG, 7APG, 6RPG, 48% FG

3rd & 4th Year Kobe Playoff Numbers. (similar amount of minutes)
20PPG, 5APG, 5RPG, 43% FG

:oldlol:

I.R.Beast

11-30-2011, 01:13 AM

Everyone is overrated.

DevilsAssassin

11-30-2011, 01:14 AM

I.R.Beast

11-30-2011, 01:24 AM

LeBron is pretty overrated for someone that hasn't proved much in his career. No growth in his jumpshot, freethrow pct, and post game. But that can change, if he decides to work hard for once. But for now I will say Kevin Durant is the most overrated.

How is Durant Overrated?....ever improving, Lead the youngest team in the League to 50 wins and a playoff berth in the Western conference(4th season) Makes that same team a title contender in his 5th season, with no Dominant big man. He's made the sonics/thunder relevant again. I dont know, that's not my idea of overrated. He's well on his way to some serious greatness if you ask me.

Jacks3

11-30-2011, 01:29 AM

All of that, and yet he still somehow ends up being a career 25/5/5 45% player.
Yeah, this:

Here are his numbers over nearly a decade:

28.5 PPG/5.8 RPG/5.4 APG/1.8 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS

Here are his seasons over this stretch:
29/6/5/2/55% TS
25/6/6/2/55% TS
30/7/6/2/1/55% TS
24/5/5/2/56% TS
28/6/6/1/56% TS
35/5/5/2/56% TS
32/6/5/2/58% TS
28/6/5/2/58% TS
27/5/5/2/56% TS
27/5/5/2/55% TS

Accolades/Accomplishments during this time:
4-Time NBA Champion
6-Time NBA Finalist
16X Player of the Month
8X All-NBA 1st Team
1X All-NBA 2nd Team
7X All-NBA 1st Team Defense
2X All-NBA 2nd Team Defense
9X All-Star
4X All-Star MVP
1X NBA-MVP
2X NBA-Finals MVP

Over this stretch he had:
24X 50+ point games
5X 60+ point games
105 40+ point games

Some of his sickest stretches:
9 straight 40+ point games (2003)
13 straight 35+ point games (2003)
4 straight 45+ point games (2006)
4 straight 50+ point games (2007)
Averaged 40+ PPG in four different months
Averaged 37/6/5/59% TS post All-Star Break (2007)
81 pts
62 pts in three quarters
8 different games where he recorded 50+ points through three quarters of play

Some of his best playoff runs:
2001: 29 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/56% TS. NBA Championship. Lakers go 15-1.
2002: 27 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/52% TS. NBA Championship.
2008: 30 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/58% TS. NBA Finals
2009: 30 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship
2010: 29 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship

The Greatness of Kobe Bean Bryant!!!
9X All-NBA 1st Team
2X All-NBA 2nd Team
2X All-NBA 3rd Team
9X All-NBA 1st Team Defense
2X All-NBA 2nd Team Defense
5X Top 5 DPOY/9X Top 10 DPOY
13X Time All-Star
4X Time All-Star MVP
2X NBA Finals MVP
1X NBA MVP
10th All-Time in MVP Shares
2X Scoring Champion
5 Time NBA Champion
7 Time NBA Finalist
10 55+ Win Seasons
15X Player of the Month Winner
Slam Dunk Champion (1997)
#1 Offensive APM (10 Year Study)
#10 All-Time in WAR
24 Career Average PER (15 Seasons)
2X Gold Medalist
Sporting News Player of the Decade
TNT Player of the Decade
ESPN Player of the Decade
Sports Illustrated Top 20 Male Athlete of the Decade (2000s) #7 (the only NBA player in the top 10)

Has more 50+ point games than any player in history not named Wilt or Jordan (25)
Has more 40+ point games than any player in history not named Wilt or Jordan (110)
Has more 60+ point games than any player in history not named Wilt (5)
Record Holder: Highest percentage of team points (2005-2006)
Record Holder: Most threes in one game (12)
Only player in history to score at least 600 points in three consecutive post-seasons
2001-2010 RS: 28.6 PPG/5.7 RPG/5.4 APG/1.7 SPG/0.6 BPG/56% TS
2001-2010 PS: 28.8 PPG/5.8 RPG/5.2 APG/1.8 SPG/0.6 BPG/56% TS
Some of his best seasons:
35 PPG/5 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS
32 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/1.5 SPG/0.5 BPG/58% TS
30 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/1 BPG/55% TS
29 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/0.6 BPG/55% TS
28 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/0.5 BPG/58% TS
27 PPG/5 RPG/5 APG/1.5 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS
27 PPG/5 RPG/5 APG/1.5 SPG/0.4 BPG/55% TS
28 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/1.4 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS
26 PPG/6 APG/6 RPG/2 SPG/0.6 BPG/55% TS
Some of his best post-seasons:
29 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/1 BPG/56% TS (16 games)
27 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/0.5 BPG/52% TS (22 games)
30 PPG/6 APG/6 APG/1.4 SPG/0.5 BPG/58% TS (22 games)
30 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/1.5 SPG/0.4 BPG/57% TS (23 games)
29 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/1.4 SPG/0.4 BPG/57% TS (23 games)
29 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/1.3 SPG/0.3 BPG/58% TS (7 games)
33 PPG/5 RPG/5 APG/1.4 SPG/0.4 BPG/56% TS (5 games)
4 straight 45+ point games (2006)
4 straight 50+ point games (2007)
9 straight 40+ point games (2003)
13 straight 35+ point games (2003)
81 pts
62 points in three quarters. Outscored opposing team by himself.
27 40+ point games in one season (Only Wilt/Jordan have done that)
10 50+ point games in one season (Only player beside Wilt to do so)
Has three different games where he scored 30+ in one quarter.
Has six different games where he scored 50+ pts though three quarters.
Has five different months where he averaged 40+ PPG.
One of seven players ever with 25,000 pts/5,000 rbs/5,000 asts
6th on All-Time Scoring List
4th on All-Time Playoff Scoring List

Means nothing. Clown. :oldlol:

DFish

11-30-2011, 01:30 AM

2nd Year Wade Playoff Numbers.
27PPG, 7APG, 6RPG, 48% FG

3rd & 4th Year Kobe Playoff Numbers. (similar amount of minutes)
20PPG, 5APG, 5RPG, 43% FG

:oldlol:

Cherry-picking years? I'll join in!

4th Year Wade Playoff Numbers.
23.5 PPG, 6.2 APG, 4.8 RPG, 42.9% FG

5th Year Kobe Playoff Numbers.
29.4 PPG, 6.1 APG, 7.3 RPG, 46.9% FG

Celtics4ever

11-30-2011, 01:32 AM

How is Durant Overrated?....ever improving, Lead the youngest team in the League to 50 wins and a playoff berth in the Western conference(4th season) Makes that same team a title contender in his 5th season, with no Dominant big man. He's made the sonics/thunder relevant again. I dont know, that's not my idea of overrated. He's well on his way to some serious greatness if you ask me.

Lol, we are all just trolling the OP if you haven't noticed. OPs a Durant nut licker.

DFish

11-30-2011, 01:37 AM

Career Playoff Stats

Kobe: 5,280 points, 988 assists, 1,061 rebounds, 294 steals, 142 blocks, 1,882 FG.

Wade: 2,251 points, 486 assists, 499 rebounds, 143 steals, 95 blocks, 788 FG.

Clippersfan86

11-30-2011, 01:39 AM

Lol, we are all just trolling the OP if you haven't noticed. OPs a Durant nut licker.

Exactly. I was just messing with Joyner. Obviously Durant isn't the most overrated player in NBA history lol.

Nevaeh

11-30-2011, 01:41 AM

Yeah, this:

Here are his numbers over nearly a decade:

28.5 PPG/5.8 RPG/5.4 APG/1.8 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS

Here are his seasons over this stretch:
29/6/5/2/55% TS
25/6/6/2/55% TS
30/7/6/2/1/55% TS
24/5/5/2/56% TS
28/6/6/1/56% TS
35/5/5/2/56% TS
32/6/5/2/58% TS
28/6/5/2/58% TS
27/5/5/2/56% TS
27/5/5/2/55% TS

Accolades/Accomplishments during this time:
4-Time NBA Champion
6-Time NBA Finalist
16X Player of the Month
8X All-NBA 1st Team
1X All-NBA 2nd Team
7X All-NBA 1st Team Defense
2X All-NBA 2nd Team Defense
9X All-Star
4X All-Star MVP
1X NBA-MVP
2X NBA-Finals MVP

Over this stretch he had:
24X 50+ point games
5X 60+ point games
105 40+ point games

Some of his sickest stretches:
9 straight 40+ point games (2003)
13 straight 35+ point games (2003)
4 straight 45+ point games (2006)
4 straight 50+ point games (2007)
Averaged 40+ PPG in four different months
Averaged 37/6/5/59% TS post All-Star Break (2007)
81 pts
62 pts in three quarters
8 different games where he recorded 50+ points through three quarters of play

Some of his best playoff runs:
2001: 29 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/56% TS. NBA Championship. Lakers go 15-1.
2002: 27 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/52% TS. NBA Championship.
2008: 30 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/58% TS. NBA Finals
2009: 30 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship
2010: 29 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship

The Greatness of Kobe Bean Bryant!!!
9X All-NBA 1st Team
2X All-NBA 2nd Team
2X All-NBA 3rd Team
9X All-NBA 1st Team Defense
2X All-NBA 2nd Team Defense
5X Top 5 DPOY/9X Top 10 DPOY
13X Time All-Star
4X Time All-Star MVP
2X NBA Finals MVP
1X NBA MVP
10th All-Time in MVP Shares
2X Scoring Champion
5 Time NBA Champion
7 Time NBA Finalist
10 55+ Win Seasons
15X Player of the Month Winner
Slam Dunk Champion (1997)
#1 Offensive APM (10 Year Study)
#10 All-Time in WAR
24 Career Average PER (15 Seasons)
2X Gold Medalist
Sporting News Player of the Decade
TNT Player of the Decade
ESPN Player of the Decade
Sports Illustrated Top 20 Male Athlete of the Decade (2000s) #7 (the only NBA player in the top 10)

Has more 50+ point games than any player in history not named Wilt or Jordan (25)
Has more 40+ point games than any player in history not named Wilt or Jordan (110)
Has more 60+ point games than any player in history not named Wilt (5)
Record Holder: Highest percentage of team points (2005-2006)
Record Holder: Most threes in one game (12)
Only player in history to score at least 600 points in three consecutive post-seasons
2001-2010 RS: 28.6 PPG/5.7 RPG/5.4 APG/1.7 SPG/0.6 BPG/56% TS
2001-2010 PS: 28.8 PPG/5.8 RPG/5.2 APG/1.8 SPG/0.6 BPG/56% TS
Some of his best seasons:
35 PPG/5 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS
32 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/1.5 SPG/0.5 BPG/58% TS
30 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/1 BPG/55% TS
29 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/0.6 BPG/55% TS
28 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/0.5 BPG/58% TS
27 PPG/5 RPG/5 APG/1.5 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS
27 PPG/5 RPG/5 APG/1.5 SPG/0.4 BPG/55% TS
28 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/1.4 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS
26 PPG/6 APG/6 RPG/2 SPG/0.6 BPG/55% TS
Some of his best post-seasons:
29 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/1 BPG/56% TS (16 games)
27 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/0.5 BPG/52% TS (22 games)
30 PPG/6 APG/6 APG/1.4 SPG/0.5 BPG/58% TS (22 games)
30 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/1.5 SPG/0.4 BPG/57% TS (23 games)
29 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/1.4 SPG/0.4 BPG/57% TS (23 games)
29 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/1.3 SPG/0.3 BPG/58% TS (7 games)
33 PPG/5 RPG/5 APG/1.4 SPG/0.4 BPG/56% TS (5 games)
4 straight 45+ point games (2006)
4 straight 50+ point games (2007)
9 straight 40+ point games (2003)
13 straight 35+ point games (2003)
81 pts
62 points in three quarters. Outscored opposing team by himself.
27 40+ point games in one season (Only Wilt/Jordan have done that)
10 50+ point games in one season (Only player beside Wilt to do so)
Has three different games where he scored 30+ in one quarter.
Has six different games where he scored 50+ pts though three quarters.
Has five different months where he averaged 40+ PPG.
One of seven players ever with 25,000 pts/5,000 rbs/5,000 asts
6th on All-Time Scoring List
4th on All-Time Playoff Scoring List

Means nothing. Clown. :oldlol:

Still doing the " pick and choose" thing for your hero I see. Funny how he's the ONLY player in NBA history who gets the " pick and choose" path to greatness, don't you think? Where they do that at? ISH, that's where they do that at :oldlol:

See you still holding on to your friends T and S for dear life too huh?

Boston C's

11-30-2011, 01:44 AM

for some reason durant to me is like the tall version of ray allen idk why... probably the nice shooting touch he has

DFish

11-30-2011, 01:47 AM

Still doing the " pick and choose" thing for your hero I see. Funny how he's the ONLY player in NBA history who gets the " pick and choose" path to greatness, don't you think? Where they do that at? ISH, that's where they do that at :oldlol:

See you still holding on to your friends T and S for dear life too huh?

Pick and choose? What is he omitting? Seems like a pretty comprehensive list of statistics.

Jacks3

11-30-2011, 01:53 AM

Still doing the " pick and choose" thing for your hero I see.
Not at all. Just pointing out what he did during his "prime/peak years".

That's over a entire decade!

Or you can do 00-11( 11 yrs): 28/6/5/2/56% TS.

Doesn't really matter. You still got a huge sample-size and a accurate representation of who he was as a player over his prime/peak, which is obviously what matters the most when discussing players.

But keep on fooling yourself into thinking he was "only" 25/5/5/2/56%.

:oldlol:

Jacks3

11-30-2011, 01:54 AM

Pick and choose? What is he omitting? Seems like a pretty comprehensive list of statistics.
Dude is a retard. I didn't realize using numbers over a DECADE was picking and choosing. :facepalm

32Dayz

11-30-2011, 02:01 AM

Kobe playoff TS% from 00-11 = .545%

Lolz :oldlol: Lolz :oldlol: Lolz :oldlol:

And it was like .511% from 00-04 before the sissy hand check rules.

Nevaeh

11-30-2011, 02:02 AM

Dude is a retard. I didn't realize using numbers over a DECADE was picking and choosing. :facepalm

I'm the retard? I'm not the one who :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: s after quoting my own posts like a lunatic. You're leaving out parts of Kobe's career stats on purpose, because you know it'll bring his numbers down across the board.

He's the only player I see this done for here. That's the point I was making about "Picking and Choosing". I guess you can call it "omitting" or " leaving out", if it makes you feel better.

SyRyanYang

11-30-2011, 02:04 AM

As a die-hard Kobe fan I admit he's a bit overrated, but the MOST? Com'on. And all you Kobe stans posting his achievement, gtfo

SyRyanYang

11-30-2011, 02:05 AM

Kobe playoff TS% from 00-11 = .545%

Lolz :oldlol: Lolz :oldlol: Lolz :oldlol:

And it was like .511% from 00-04 before the sissy hand check rules.

It's either .545 or 54.5% :banana:

I.R.Beast

11-30-2011, 02:05 AM

Lol, we are all just trolling the OP if you haven't noticed. OPs a Durant nut licker.
oh my bad...continue...lol

Jacks3

11-30-2011, 02:08 AM

Most overrated ever? I have to go with Snaq.

By far the worst intangibles/work-ethic of any All-Time great. Burned bridges everywhere he went. Never won without the best SG in the league, and needed a top 3 player in the league for 3/4 titles. Swept in the PS on 8 different occasions. :oldlol: Biggest underachiever in history. Consistently mediocre defender whose teams tended to suck defensively outside 00,02. HORRIFIC pick-roll defender who literally cost his team entire series with his awful p/r D. That's how bad it was.

Had stacked teams his entire career with Penny/Scott/Anderson then Eddie Jones/NVE/Kobe/Rice etc then prime Kobe then prime Wade then prime Nash.

Not mention all the bullshit offensive fouls he got away with.

Most overrated player ever

Wow.

Biggest underachiever in history.

Jacks3

11-30-2011, 02:10 AM

. You're leaving out parts of Kobe's career stats on purpose, because you know it'll bring his numbers down across the board.

Like I said, I'm using a huge sample size over a decade.

This:
Here are his numbers over nearly a decade:

28.5 PPG/5.8 RPG/5.4 APG/1.8 SPG/0.5 BPG/56% TS

Here are his seasons over this stretch:
29/6/5/2/55% TS
25/6/6/2/55% TS
30/7/6/2/1/55% TS
24/5/5/2/56% TS
28/6/6/1/56% TS
35/5/5/2/56% TS
32/6/5/2/58% TS
28/6/5/2/58% TS
27/5/5/2/56% TS
27/5/5/2/55% TS

Accolades/Accomplishments during this time:
4-Time NBA Champion
6-Time NBA Finalist
16X Player of the Month
8X All-NBA 1st Team
1X All-NBA 2nd Team
7X All-NBA 1st Team Defense
2X All-NBA 2nd Team Defense
9X All-Star
4X All-Star MVP
1X NBA-MVP
2X NBA-Finals MVP

Over this stretch he had:
24X 50+ point games
5X 60+ point games
105 40+ point games

Some of his sickest stretches:
9 straight 40+ point games (2003)
13 straight 35+ point games (2003)
4 straight 45+ point games (2006)
4 straight 50+ point games (2007)
Averaged 40+ PPG in four different months
Averaged 37/6/5/59% TS post All-Star Break (2007)
81 pts
62 pts in three quarters
8 different games where he recorded 50+ points through three quarters of play

Some of his best playoff runs:
2001: 29 PPG/7 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/56% TS. NBA Championship. Lakers go 15-1.
2002: 27 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/52% TS. NBA Championship.
2008: 30 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/58% TS. NBA Finals
2009: 30 PPG/6 RPG/5 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship
2010: 29 PPG/6 RPG/6 APG/2 SPG/57% TS. NBA Championship

Is not picking and choosing. It's a accurate representation of who he was a player over his prime/peak. Deal with it, ya clown. :oldlol:

32Dayz

11-30-2011, 02:12 AM

Most overrated ever? I have to go with Snaq.

By far the worst intangibles

GOAT at attracting defensive attention which directly makes life easier on his teammates?

One of the best passing Centers ever which combined his the above intangible makes him one of the best ever at improving players around him?

Dominant defensive anchor for most of his Career?

Those are by far the worst intangibles?

Shaq unlike Kobe who has (no intangibles) (other then the GOAT ability to Chuck) has GOAT intangibles. only a handful of players might have better and even that is arguable.

Playoff PER

A's (Main Star) :
Shaq (00-02) : 29
Jordan (91-93 + 96-98) : 28.53

B's (Side-Kicks) :
Kobe (00-02) : 21
Pippen (91-93 + 96-98) : 19.5

The difference is clear and obvious.

Stay Mad ****. :lol

32Dayz

11-30-2011, 02:14 AM

MVP Shares / Votes / Points from 01-05.
TMac : 925
Kobe : 817

01 - 05
TMac > Kobe

Players from this Generation :

Jordan > Shaq >>> Duncan >>>>> KG/Kobe

---------------------------------------------------------------------

#1.
Jordan : Post Season - PER
Peak : 32
Top 5 : 30.16
Top 7 : 29.61
Top 10 : 28.89
Top 13 : 28.6

---------------------------------------------------------------------

#6.
Lebron : Post Season - PER
Peak : 37.4
Top 5 : 27.58
Top 7 : 26.77

---------------------------------------------------------------------

#9.
Wade : Post Season - PER
Peak : 29.4
Top 5 : 26.64
Top 7 : 24.5

---------------------------------------------------------------------

#10.
TMac : Post Season - PER
Peak : 27.2
Top 5 : 26.2
Top 7 : 24.5

---------------------------------------------------------------------

#11.
Jerry West : Post Season - PER
Peak : 26.7
Top 5 : 25.36
Top 7 : 24.59

---------------------------------------------------------------------

#15.
Kobe : Post Season - PER
Peak : 26.8
Top 5 : 24
Top 7 : 23
Top 10 : 22.98
Top 13 : 21.62

---------------------------------------------------------------------

Interesting.

Good Post Jacks. :applause:

Jacks3

11-30-2011, 02:15 AM

Most overrated ever? I have to go with Snaq.

By far the worst intangibles/work-ethic of any All-Time great. Burned bridges everywhere he went. Never won without the best SG in the league, and needed a top 3 player in the league for 3/4 titles. Swept in the PS on 8 different occasions. :oldlol: Biggest underachiever in history. Consistently mediocre defender whose teams tended to suck defensively outside 00,02. HORRIFIC pick-roll defender who literally cost his team entire series with his awful p/r D. That's how bad it was.

Had stacked teams his entire career with Penny/Scott/Anderson then Eddie Jones/NVE/Kobe/Rice etc then prime Kobe then prime Wade then prime Nash.

Wow.

Biggest underachiever in history.
Not mention all the bullshit offensive fouls he got away with.

Most overrated player ever.

32Dayz

11-30-2011, 02:18 AM

Like I said, I'm using a huge sample size over a decade.

Here are his seasons over this stretch:
29/6/5/2/55% TS
25/6/6/2/55% TS
30/7/6/2/1/55% TS
24/5/5/2/56% TS
28/6/6/1/56% TS
35/5/5/2/56% TS
32/6/5/2/58% TS
28/6/5/2/58% TS
27/5/5/2/56% TS
27/5/5/2/55% TS

I hate to inform you of this Jacks3 but Kobe only has 8 seasons in his entire Career where he shot 55+%TS

In the playoffs he has only 6
(All but one of them coming before the new sissy hand check rules)

So obviously the stats you are posting are fake/made up and no one in their right mind should pay any attention to the madeup bullshit you post.

:lol

1987_Lakers

11-30-2011, 02:20 AM

Hmmm...most overrated NBA players...

Bob Cousy
Reggie Miller
Pete Maravich

Easy.

Best post in this entire thread. It is an absolute joke that Maravich made the top 50 players of all time list, and some treat Reggie Miller like a God when all he could do was shoot.

I have more respect for Cousy because he changed the game, but he was very inefficient & a horrible defender, he wouldn't make an NBA roster today.

32Dayz

11-30-2011, 02:20 AM

Playoff PER

A's (Main Star) :
Shaq (00-02) : 29
Jordan (91-93 + 96-98) : 28.53

B's (Side-Kicks) :
Kobe (00-02) : 21
Pippen (91-93 + 96-98) : 19.5

The difference is clear and obvious.

Comparison Between Kobe/Gasol in 2010.

Regular Season PER / WShares
Gasol : 22.9 ||| 11
Kobe : 21.9 ||| 9.4

Playoff PER / WShares
Gasol : 24 ||| 4.7
Kobe : 24.7 ||| 3.6

2010 Playoff Summary.
Gasol better in 12/23 Games.
Kobe better in 10/23 Games.

Gasol >= Kobe in 2010

Jacks3 = :mad:

Jacks3

11-30-2011, 02:21 AM

32Dayz

11-30-2011, 02:22 AM

pauk

11-30-2011, 02:27 AM

Kobe Bryant

Jacks3

11-30-2011, 02:38 AM

KingMichael23

11-30-2011, 03:30 AM

Kobe was not clearly better then Vince Carter from 00-02.

After that he fizzled out and then yes Kobe was clearly better.

:facepalm
:roll: You really think VC is better than Kobe in 00-02?!

KingMichael23

11-30-2011, 03:31 AM

So far, it's LeBron.

D-Wade316

11-30-2011, 03:33 AM

Career Playoff Stats

Kobe: 5,280 points, 988 assists, 1,061 rebounds, 294 steals, 142 blocks, 1,882 FG.

Wade: 2,251 points, 486 assists, 499 rebounds, 143 steals, 95 blocks, 788 FG.
Average >>>>>>>>>>> Totals

D-Wade316

11-30-2011, 03:34 AM

I'm the retard? I'm not the one who :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: s after quoting my own posts like a lunatic. You're leaving out parts of Kobe's career stats on purpose, because you know it'll bring his numbers down across the board.

He's the only player I see this done for here. That's the point I was making about "Picking and Choosing". I guess you can call it "omitting" or " leaving out", if it makes you feel better.
This.

airchibundo507

11-30-2011, 03:38 AM

How in the hell is Kevin Durant the most overrated player in NBA history? Or are you just trolling? :wtf:
4-5 other posters listed him on the same page and so I had to go with the consensus :lol

Round Mound

11-30-2011, 07:30 PM

Average >>>>>>>>>>> Totals

Its incredible the things Kobe Fans do to Hype him up :facepalm

Totals? :roll:

Averages are more important and even more EFF; PER, Plus/Minus/, Shot Made Diferential...etc pure Indiviudal Efficiency or Dominance.

Then comes Team WS, OWS, DWS.

Wade > Bryant for like the last 3-4 years

rmt

11-30-2011, 07:56 PM

Kobe has never once been #1 or #2 in the NBA in Win Shares or PER. Jordan was #1 16 times. Yet people are not only comparing the two but saying Kobe is better? That is crazy and proves just how overrated Kobe is here.

This. When 2 players playing the same position (no big man bias) under the same coach and same system have such varying results (in, for example, above Win Shares or PER), it's ludicrous to compare them. If Kobe was as great as/better (as some fans here have him), he'd be littering the top of those charts in that top playoff performers like MJ does instead of the no-show.

I also think that Reggie Miller is over-rated.

Droid101

11-30-2011, 08:04 PM

Wade > Bryant for like the last 3-4 years
Rings in the last 3-4 years.

Celtics - 1
Lakers - 2
Mavs - 1

Or, to help you:

Wade - 0
Kobe - 2

Need moar?
Finals Appearances:

Wade - 1
Kobe - 3

Big#50

11-30-2011, 08:05 PM

oolalaa

11-30-2011, 08:22 PM

Oscar Robertson
or
Kobe Bryant
or
Wilt Chamberlain
or
Bob Cousy

Take your pick

L8k3r5

11-30-2011, 10:53 PM

I am not Anti-Kobe but the dude is massively overrated.

He has won 5 Rings but has only clearly been the best player on his own team for one of them (09) and was a Pippen type player for 3 of then (00-02)

You can argue he was outplayed by Gasol in the 2010 Playoff and Finalz and statistically he was.

From 00-02 he did not elevate himself above VC or TMac.
From 00-05 he did not elevate himself above TMac.
From 05-11 he did not elevate himself above Wade or Lebron.

He got to play 8 years with the Jordan of his Era (Prime Shaq).
He got to play almost his entire Career with Phil Jackson.
He got to play the last 3-4 Years of his Career with a Top 3 League-Wide Supporting Cast and arguably the best front court in the league and best 3rd man / 6th man in Odom.
You're making yourself sound more stupid each time you post. I wouldn't be surprised if you were Bruce Blitz :facepalm

Heavincent

11-30-2011, 11:11 PM

lol at anyone saying Kobe. He is a top 10 player all-time. It's like calling Jerry Rice overrated or something. Calling an all-time great overrated just makes you look like an idiot.

RRR3

11-30-2011, 11:12 PM

lol at anyone saying Kobe. He is a top 10 player all-time. It's like calling Jerry Rice overrated or something. Calling an all-time great overrated just makes you look like an idiot.
He has a legion of stans who think he is top 2 or even the GOAT. That is overrating him.

Heavincent

11-30-2011, 11:14 PM

He has a legion of stans who think he is top 2 or even the GOAT. That is overrating him.

There are a lot of uneducated people that call Lebron a top 5 player all-time too. I've heard it a decent number of times before. So do you think he is overrated too?

RRR3

11-30-2011, 11:15 PM

There are a lot of uneducated people that call Lebron a top 5 player all-time too. I've heard it a decent number of times before. So do you think he is overrated too?
:rolleyes: If you can't see that the majority of basketball fans overrate Kobe, I can't help you. You could be the 2nd greatest player ever and be overrated FYI.

raiderfan19

12-01-2011, 12:29 AM

Julius erving.

UwishUhadWall

12-01-2011, 12:55 AM

Best post in this entire thread. It is an absolute joke that Maravich made the top 50 players of all time list, and some treat Reggie Miller like a God when all he could do was shoot.

This. I don't like passing judgement on players I didn't personally see since all. I have are the numbers and they don't tell the full story. So to keep it to what I've witnessed firsthand, Reggie Miller is the big one. Bravo to the voters for not putting him in the HOF so far and shame on them if he one day does make it. In no way does he deserve it. Without Spike Lee, Miller is largely forgotten by now.

Kobe is overrated as well...in a sense. I think generally speaking, he isn't. He's a great player who gets his properr recognition. But when it comes to his fanboys who put huim on the same level as Jordan (who I personally hate but I can't deny his GOAT status), that is the epitome of "overrated". It's not even close really.

I'll throw another name out there for discussion: Patrick Ewing.

Hammertime

12-01-2011, 01:02 AM

Patrick Ewing was ruined by the Knicks organization. He came out of of Georgetown looking for all the world like the next Bill Russell but the Knicks ruined him by trying to make him the next Kareem Abdul Jabbar.

disel

12-01-2011, 01:03 AM

Jacks3

12-01-2011, 01:21 AM

You're a creepy ass mother****er.
Duncan is also overrated as phuck. lol @ clowns like yourself who think he's better than Hakeem or Bird or even Snaq. Dude has never been the best in the league. :facepalm

D-Wade316

12-01-2011, 01:25 AM

Its incredible the things Kobe Fans do to Hype him up :facepalm

Totals? :roll:

Averages are more important and even more EFF; PER, Plus/Minus/, Shot Made Diferential...etc pure Indiviudal Efficiency or Dominance.

Then comes Team WS, OWS, DWS.

Wade > Bryant for like the last 3-4 years
:applause:

04: Kobe
05: Wade
06: Wade
07: Kobe (Wade before injury)
08: Kobe
09: Wade
10: Wade
11: Wade

Wade - 5
Kobe - 3

stallionaire

12-01-2011, 01:27 AM

Kobe Bryant.

edit: I'm new here, so go easy on this comment lol.

Legends66NBA7

12-01-2011, 01:46 AM

Kobe Bryant.

edit: I'm new here, so go easy on this comment lol.

If Kobe homers/stanleys/trolls don't see it, then you are good.

Other than that, welcome to ISH. Watch out for trolls. :cheers:

ballsohard247

12-01-2011, 03:25 AM

Julius erving.
If anything Erving is underrated. A lot of people think he couldn't shoot but he had a reliable 16 footer and bank shot. He was also excellent defensively while people think all he did was dunk on heads all game long.

raiderfan19

12-01-2011, 03:58 AM

If anything Erving is underrated. A lot of people think he couldn't shoot but he had a reliable 16 footer and bank shot. He was also excellent defensively while people think all he did was dunk on heads all game long.
Erving is closer to 30- 40 all time than the 15 or so hes generally ranked at

jlauber

12-01-2011, 04:10 AM

Oscar Robertson
or
Kobe Bryant
or
Wilt Chamberlain

or
Bob Cousy

Take your pick

Where do you have Kareem and Bird?

If you want post-season flop jobs, those two would be hard to beat.

ballsohard247

12-01-2011, 04:13 AM

Yeah, I agree Erving isn't in the teens. I just think a lot of people see him as a one dimensional player, aka Dunker when his game was larger than that.

Stuckey

12-01-2011, 04:28 AM

kobe

Clutch

12-01-2011, 04:30 AM

Iverson is becoming underrated with how many people calls him overrated.

oolalaa

12-01-2011, 03:01 PM

Where do you have Kareem and Bird?

If you want post-season flop jobs, those two would be hard to beat.

Larry Legend? Really?

First of all...
Between 80' and 92', Bird led the celtics to the post season every single year except one. Which was the one year the celtics failed to make the playoffs? That's right, the year he was out for the entire season. Also, in Birds 9 healthy seasons, only once did he fail to lead Boston past the 1st round.

His post season 'flop jobs' constitute the following:

82' postseason - He went from a 23/11/6 on 50% in the regular season to a 18/13/6 on 43% in the playoffs and Boston lost to the 76ers in game 7 of the ECFs. This was inexcusable. He had a sub-par playoffs.
But you know what? It actually reminds me of a certain 7 foot tall black millionaire in a particular playoffs in the late 60s. I can't remember his name though. Maybe you can help me out?

83' post season - Swept in the 1st round by an underrated bucks team (they made the ECFs the year after. Who beat them? Birds celtics of course) led by Sidney Moncrief before his injury. His teammates weren't up to scratch. Everyone, apart from parish and maxwell, had a bad series and even they weren't exactly good (mchale only played 25 mpg).

1988 ECFs vs Detroit - He had a terrible shooting series (against an all time great defence), making only 35% of his shots from the floor (i don't know his stat line for this series but i can guess it was probably something like a 22/9/7).
But why did he have a bad series? Could it be that his 31 year old body was starting to break down, ala kobe in last years playoffs? He led the celtics to 4 finals in a row between 84' and 87'. He averaged 100 games per season for 4 straight years! Give him a god damn break!

I agree kareem has 'flopped' in the post season (i'm not getting into that now) but who hasn't? Besides, his many great playoffs and extreme longevity make up, in large part, for his failings.

Duncan21formvp

12-01-2011, 03:22 PM

Where do you have Kareem and Bird?

If you want post-season flop jobs, those two would be hard to beat.
Kareem and Wilt both loss 5 series having Homecourt Advantage, the difference is Kareem won 30 while Wilt only won 13.
Bird lost the most series of any superstar all time having homecourt advantage and that was 7.
But even so, neither of the 3 are overrated as all 3 belong in the top 6-7 all time.

anyonebutmiami

12-01-2011, 03:28 PM

DIRK!!!

He is so useless on defense!!!! He might be the best shooter in the
game today, but his D sux. Why do people ignore this fact?

TheMan

12-01-2011, 03:41 PM

LeBron, hyped up as the next MJ...dude has been great but his last Finals showed he isn't GOAT material, it could change if ge wins a few ships but I haven't been impressed so far by his Finals performances...he has no excuses now, he plays with a top 3 player and a All Star foward, what else do you need, Bronsy?