Pacers want Rajon Rondo from Celtics

[insidehoops]

And the two teams have reportedly discussed it to see if something can be worked out.

Skim-read this: http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=8642

What do you think of Rondo? How would he do on an empty, rebuilding team that needed him to take control?

[I.R.Beast]

And the two teams have reportedly discussed it to see if something can be worked out.

Skim-read this: http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=8642

What do you think of Rondo? How would he do on an empty, rebuilding team that needed him to take control?


He'd be an afterthought, but while he is quite overrated, Pacers would have to give us Paul George and George hill for him

[JGXEN]

Wow what's up with all the Rondo trades? Wtf??:mad:

[InspiredLebowski]

3 teamer. CP3 to Boston, JO + Rondo to Indy, Collison + Hibbert to NO plus some picks.

[csklmf]

Ainge is eager to have some trade and some kind of sparks in his team. But clearly, he does not want to move KG, PP and Ray Allen.

Rite now, the button is on and looks like Rondo is going to be placed somewhere else.

[AMISTILLILL]

I hate to see Rondo go (truly), but if it means landing CP3 and, in turn, Dwight Howard next summer... I'm all for it. Resign Garnett and Allen next summer to one year contracts... :bowdown:

[JGXEN]

Ainge is eager to have some trade and some kind of sparks in his team. But clearly, he does not want to move KG, PP and Ray Allen.

Rite now, the button is on and looks like Rondo is going to be placed somewhere else.
KG and Ray are coming off the books after this season and thats over $30m worth of contracts. Hopefully if a move for CP3 materialises, it can attract Howard over.

[JGXEN]

I hate to see Rondo go (truly), but if it means landing CP3 and, in turn, Dwight Howard next summer... I'm all for it. Resign Garnett and Allen next summer to one year contracts... :bowdown:
If Ainge pulls this shit off, imma jack off 10 times a day for a week to celebrate

[I.R.Beast]

KG and Ray are coming off the books after this season and thats over $30m worth of contracts. Hopefully if a move for CP3 materialises, it can attract Howard over.


Wow....i can't stand Dwight "Cry Baby" Howard and Chris "Flopperella" Paul, but i would not be opposed to us attaining those players.

[InspiredLebowski]

Getting Rondo w/o giving up Paul George then being able to sign Nene or Marc Gasol'd be pretty awesome. I'm assuming Hibbert'd be part of the deal.

[AMISTILLILL]

Getting Rondo w/o giving up Paul George then being able to sign Nene or Marc Gasol'd be pretty awesome. I'm assuming Hibbert'd be part of the deal.

You'll likely get David West.

[InspiredLebowski]

You'll likely get David West.They're not signing David West with absolutely no C and guys like Nene and Gasol out there. With the roster as is West makes some sense, w/ no Hibbert it doesn't.

[airchibundo507]

3 teamer. CP3 to Boston, JO + Rondo to Indy, Collison + Hibbert to NO plus some picks.

and you're okay with that?? Rondo's weaknesses will be magnified greatly in any other situation.

[JohnnyWall]

I hate to see Rondo go (truly), but if it means landing CP3 and, in turn, Dwight Howard next summer... I'm all for it. Resign Garnett and Allen next summer to one year contracts... :bowdown:

Are you joking? You realistically think Boston has a shot at grabbing D12 and CP3?

[InspiredLebowski]

and you're okay with that?? Rondo's weaknesses will be magnified greatly in any other situation.I honestly don't know if I'm OK with it or not, just seems like a fairly realistic scenario. A Rondo/George/Granger/Hansbrough/Nene or Gasol lineup is pretty enticing.

[Fiasco]

Pacers will offer West the max, and we will all use Lebowski's tears as fuel for our laughter.

#evilpost

[InspiredLebowski]

Pacers will offer West the max, and we will all use Lebowski's tears as fuel for our laughter.

#evilpostNo they won't. Because I know where Larry Bird lives.

[JGXEN]

Are you joking? You realistically think Boston has a shot at grabbing D12 and CP3?
Why not? Celtics has the talent(if CP3 comes over) and cap space to do it.

[kurple]

They're not signing David West with absolutely no C and guys like Nene and Gasol out there. With the roster as is West makes some sense, w/ no Hibbert it doesn't.
What do you think about how much Nene is worth? You would have to give him near the max

I just don't see how a player who is soon 30, with zero All Stars (Haven't been very close either) and zero All NBA teams deserves a max contract

Nene getting the max, DeAndre Jordan getting arround 10mill a year shows that the lockout was pointless.

[InspiredLebowski]

What do you think about how much Nene is worth? You would have to give him near the max

I just don't see how a player who is soon 30, with zero All Stars (Haven't been very close either) and zero All NBA teams deserves a max contractI haven't actually ran the numbers but in a Collison + Hibbert for Rondo trade some offhand mental math tells me the Pacers'd still have around $12 mil in cap room. I'd offer something around 4/45-50, he wants the max he can screw off. Offer Gasol something like 4/40, Memphis matches then just bank the cap room and get a 5 somewhere else.

[Myth]

What about this Celtics/Hornets/Blazers trade? Picks can be added as well, but those were the main salary pieces moving around.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6pz83jy

[Rowe]

All of this Rondo for CP3 stuff is making me sick.

[ihatetimthomas]

Hibbert is a interesting player. At times he looks like he will become an elite center, and other times you wonder what he will become. Pretty inconsistent player. It would be a tough call, but I might role the dice on Hibbert + Collison for Rondo. Rondo is a proven player and I think he will make a bigger impact on the Pacers than Darren and Hibbert would.

[NuggetsFan]

All of this Rondo for CP3 stuff is making me sick.

Why? If NO looks to trade and get something for Paul, Rondo is huge value. Boston is actually a team that I think Paul would agree to going too as well. Isn't perfect but makes sense. Not like it's a Knicks offer or a Clippers offer involving Kaman. Rondo is a young point, throw in Jeff Green and a few future 1st's and not that crazy. Boston isn't New York or Miami but it's not Minny or something.

Rondo is a good mix of value and location. Westbrook and Ibaka would be a better offer but would OKC do that? .. how many legit offers are out there that have both the value and the desired location? A team like Indiana could have the value but is Paul going to re-up there?

Of course if NO just let's Paul walk than it's stupid.

[Rowe]

Why? If NO looks to trade and get something for Paul, Rondo is huge value. Boston is actually a team that I think Paul would agree to going too as well. Isn't perfect but makes sense. Not like it's a Knicks offer or a Clippers offer involving Kaman. Rondo is a young point, throw in Jeff Green and a few future 1st's and not that crazy. Boston isn't New York or Miami but it's not Minny or something.

Rondo is a good mix of value and location. Westbrook and Ibaka would be a better offer but would OKC do that? .. how many legit offers are out there that have both the value and the desired location? A team like Indiana could have the value but is Paul going to re-up there?

Of course if NO just let's Paul walk than it's stupid.

No, I realize that there is a real possibility of CP3 in Boston joined by Dwight Howard.

I really dont want to see that happen.

[InspiredLebowski]

New Orleans doesn't want Rondo. They want young, super cheap assets. CP3's leaving, so jumpstart the rebuild. Get the payroll as low as possible, a really flexible roster as far as what direction to take it, and find a buyer.

[NuggetsFan]

No, I realize that there is a real possibility of CP3 in Boston joined by Dwight Howard.

I really dont want to see that happen.

Ohhhhh. It's late. Figured you meant like the idea of a deal getting done around Rondo makes you sick.

Yeah, either way I see it is Dwight Howard\CP3 are most likely ending up on a team that's already really good. Weather that be New York, L.A, Boston etc.

[NuggetsFan]

New Orleans doesn't want Rondo. They want young, super cheap assets. CP3's leaving, so jumpstart the rebuild. Get the payroll as low as possible, a really flexible roster as far as what direction to take it, and find a buyer.

Problem is Chris Paul isn't going to re-up with a ton of teams most likely so that automatically takes a shit ton of teams that would be able to absorb all there bad contracts out. A team like Denver could take on Emeka\Chris Paul\Whatever giving them back like Lawson\Chandlers rights\Mosgov\Hamilton kinda thing. Doubt Chris Paul would be like ok I'll re-up in Denver so right off the bat those types of deal are probably off the table. Same with a team like Indiana. There not giving up like Hibbert|Collison|George for a guy who's not 100% on board with re-signing.

Thus leaving a team like Boston with Rondo. Good value and probably works out with Paul. If NO wants to save money all they have to do is move Rondo to another team for whatever they want. Flipping Rondo wouldn't be hard. Probably flip him for a decent young point on his rookie contract + picks + another prospect or something if they really wanted to save money.

[InspiredLebowski]

Problem is Chris Paul isn't going to re-up with a ton of teams most likely so that automatically takes a shit ton of teams that would be able to absorb all there bad contracts out. A team like Denver could take on Emeka\Chris Paul\Whatever giving them back like Lawson\Chandlers rights\Mosgov\Hamilton kinda thing. Doubt Chris Paul would be like ok I'll re-up in Denver so right off the bat those types of deal are probably off the table. Same with a team like Indiana. There not giving up like Hibbert|Collison|George for a guy who's not 100% on board with re-signing.

Thus leaving a team like Boston with Rondo. Good value and probably works out with Paul. If NO wants to save money all they have to do is move Rondo to another team for whatever they want. Flipping Rondo wouldn't be hard. Probably flip him for a decent young point on his rookie contract + picks + another prospect or something if they really wanted to save money.Orrrr they set up a 3 teamer like they're trying to do with young guys and picks going to NO and Rondo to a 3rd team with young cheap assets, like Indiana. NO wants to shed money, they're not doing that in a 2 teamer, but a team like Indiana, with ample cap space AND nice young pieces lets them do that.

[NuggetsFan]

Orrrr they set up a 3 teamer like they're trying to do with young guys and picks going to NO and Rondo to a 3rd team with young cheap assets, like Indiana. NO wants to shed money, they're not doing that in a 2 teamer, but a team like Indiana, with ample cap space AND nice young pieces lets them do that.

Ya I guess that's just a simpler way. Just meant they could always get Rondo in a 2 team trade with just them and Boston and ship Rondo off after if there looking to save money. If they can't get a good 3 way trade off or can't pull of any better deal with the same value than doubt they straight up reject Rondo because of trying to save money. Not like he's Luol Deng and they won't be able to save money\get value from Rondo and Rondo alone.

[InspiredLebowski]

Ya I guess that's just a simpler way. Just meant they could always get Rondo in a 2 team trade with just them and Boston and ship Rondo off after if there looking to save money. If they can't get a good 3 way trade off or can't pull of any better deal with the same value than doubt they straight up reject Rondo because of trying to save money. Not like he's Luol Deng and they won't be able to save money\get value from Rondo and Rondo alone.Taking Rondo and flipping him means taking back equal salary. Trading Paul basically means that franchise is getting blown up. So they do it, they should bottom out, get the payroll as low as possible and have a core of solid young guys and get a high pick or two in the coming drafts.

[Pushxx]

What about this Celtics/Hornets/Blazers trade? Picks can be added as well, but those were the main salary pieces moving around.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6pz83jy

That's actually a really great trade all the way around if NO gets a couple picks.

That said, I think Rondo and Dwight would be amazing together for the future, and the Celtics need picks to be able to build well around them for the future.

I wouldn't mind that trade, but I'm happy with Rondo just the same.

[NuggetsFan]

Taking Rondo and flipping him means taking back equal salary. Trading Paul basically means that franchise is getting blown up. So they do it, they should bottom out, get the payroll as low as possible and have a core of solid young guys and get a high pick or two in the coming drafts.

Hmm for an example couldn't NO land Rondo. Next week trade Rondo|Emeka to Denver for Lawson|Hamilton or whatever because Denver can take on the extra salary. They could dump Rondo to whatever team that has cap space basically and save money, right?. Trade Rondo to Indiana for George and a 1st round pick if they wanted value + savings.

I actually have no idea about NO. I think there's a shot they just let Paul expire because doesn't the NBA own them and probably cause a scene if he just get's dumped off to some good team .. witch is probably the only teams he's going to agree to re up with.

[UtahJazzFan88]

What if Nene or Marc Gasol doesn't want to sign in Indiana, the Pacers are probably going to have to overpay them most likely. Who does Indiana go to as a Plan B after these guys? :confusedshrug:

[InspiredLebowski]

Hmm for an example couldn't NO land Rondo. Next week trade Rondo|Emeka to Denver for Lawson|Hamilton or whatever because Denver can take on the extra salary. They could dump Rondo to whatever team that has cap space basically and save money, right?. Trade Rondo to Indiana for George and a 1st round pick if they wanted value + savings.

I actually have no idea about NO. I think there's a shot they just let Paul expire because doesn't the NBA own them and probably cause a scene if he just get's dumped off to some good team .. witch is probably the only teams he's going to agree to re up with.One, I honestly don't know the timeline on how quick you can flip a guy with the new CBA. I don't know if it's that simple. Two, sure, maybe you could, but then you're doing the exact thing but in two separate transactions hoping you'll be able to pull it off. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[NuggetsFan]

One, I honestly don't know the timeline on how quick you can flip a guy with the new CBA. I don't know if it's that simple. Two, sure, maybe you could, but then you're doing the exact thing but in two separate transactions hoping you'll be able to pull it off. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

True. Just meant 3 way trades can be tough to pull off and if NO does infact actually trade Paul can't see them turning down a Rondo like deal based on money alone because they can dump Rondo for savings\value down the line anyways.

[InspiredLebowski]

What if Nene or Marc Gasol doesn't want to sign in Indiana, the Pacers are probably going to have to overpay them most likely. Who does Indiana go to as a Plan B after these guys? :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug: They'd still be under the cap able to take lopsided financial deals, draft picks, future trades. Rome wasn't built in a day.

[UtahJazzFan88]

:confusedshrug: They'd still be under the cap able to take lopsided financial deals, draft picks, future trades. Rome wasn't built in a day.

I'm just saying, what do they do if they can't land one of those guys? Who do you get at C after this? Tanking (Probably a bad word for it, but they wouldn't have a good record) and having a good draft pick and getting a guy like Andre Drummond or Anthony Davis isn't a bad thing though.

I'm just not sold on Rondo, seems like a product of having a 3 great teammates around him, maybe I'm just making this generalization because he can't shoot 3's worth shit, but I don't like him, and he's not a scoring threat to the Pacers either.

[blacknapalm]

What if Nene or Marc Gasol doesn't want to sign in Indiana, the Pacers are probably going to have to overpay them most likely. Who does Indiana go to as a Plan B after these guys? :confusedshrug:

memphis has enough salary cap to resign gasol and outmatch any offer sheet. in other words, i don't see gasol leaving memphis. good question...i don't know about that second part.

[InspiredLebowski]

Just spitballing, but wonder if Indy could keep Hibbert, but send Collison + pick along w/ Boston's assets (picks) for their part of the deal, but also take back Okafor giving NO MAJOR financial relief?

Then Indy could just amnesty Okafor and have Rondo/George/Granger/Hansbrough/Hibbert. You can ask why NO wouldn't just amnesty Okafor themselves, but does a potential owner want to pay Okafor's 14 mil or whatever for the next 3 years? Pretty ugly debt there.

[bluechox2]

you cant amnesty any newly acquired players

[InspiredLebowski]

you cant amnesty any newly acquired playerswell that's stupid. plus the salary floor anyway, NO'd have like a 12 dollar payroll if they lost Paul, West, and Okafor and just had picks and rookie deals to show for it.

[Walker]

Rondo is massively overrated, any pg in the league would look good with those team mates.
Whatever team lands him will be sorely dissapointed unless they have a team full of future HoFs.....

[JGXEN]

Rondo is massively overrated, any pg in the league would look good with those team mates.
Whatever team lands him will be sorely dissapointed unless they have a team full of future HoFs.....
That's bullshit. You don't even watch enough Celtics games because if you did, you wouldn't be saying the rubbish you've spewed out. Rondo is a great defender? Fact. Rondo is a great playmaker who you want on your team to make oncourt decisions? Fact. Rondo is one of the best rebounding PGs, and is a walking triple-double machine? Fact. I acknowledge that his only glaring flaw is that he can't shoot the ball consistently, but that doesn't mean he is not an elite PG. The truth is, the big three have been playing off of Rondo ever since 2 seasons ago, not the other way round. If anything, the big three benefitted from playing with Rondo.

[Walker]

That's bullshit. You don't even watch enough Celtics games because if you did, you wouldn't be saying the rubbish you've spewed out. Rondo is a great defender? Fact. Rondo is a great playmaker who you want on your team to make oncourt decisions? Fact. Rondo is one of the best rebounding PGs, and is a walking triple-double machine? Fact. I acknowledge that his only glaring flaw is that he can't shoot the ball consistently, but that doesn't mean he is not an elite PG. The truth is, the big three have been playing off of Rondo ever since 2 seasons ago, not the other way round. If anything, the big three benefitted from playing with Rondo.
Calling Rondo elite is straight laughable, clearly you have rose coloured glasses on.
Random person saying fact after everything doesn't infact, make it fact. FACT
He's a good defender and rebounder, yes.
He's a decent playmaker, but when you have 3 HoFers on the end of your passes it's impossible to guage how good he actually is. Put him in Phoenix instead of Nash and I guarentee he doesn't have anywhere near the assists.
It's not a matter of not being able to shoot consistantly, he can't shoot at all... Ohh wait I forgot, fact!
At the death he's a liability. How can an "elite" point guard not be counted on to have the ball in his hands when the games on the line. Dude has a career FT% of 62%. Show me one elite PG that can't even shoot free throws....

[JohnnySic]

If the C's include Jermaine O'Neal in any deal, then who's gonna play center? JuJuan Johnson?

[Pushxx]

Calling Rondo elite is straight laughable, clearly you have rose coloured glasses on.
Random person saying fact after everything doesn't infact, make it fact. FACT
He's a good defender and rebounder, yes.
He's a decent playmaker, but when you have 3 HoFers on the end of your passes it's impossible to guage how good he actually is. Put him in Phoenix instead of Nash and I guarentee he doesn't have anywhere near the assists.
It's not a matter of not being able to shoot consistantly, he can't shoot at all... Ohh wait I forgot, fact!
At the death he's a liability. How can an "elite" point guard not be counted on to have the ball in his hands when the games on the line. Dude has a career FT% of 62%. Show me one elite PG that can't even shoot free throws....

To be fair, when healthy, Rondo has proven lately he is a walking 14 APG. He's his own mold.

He was in top 5 MVP voting for the first half of the season until he got hurt and never returned to 100%. The Miami series proved how important he is...

[I.R.Beast]

To be fair, when healthy, Rondo has proven lately he is a walking 14 APG. He's his own mold.

He was in top 5 MVP voting for the first half of the season until he got hurt and never returned to 100%. The Miami series proved how important he is...

He was not going to average 14 apg then entire season regardless. Rondo was not badly injured to the point that he "couldnt" pass. Quite simply put the Celtics came out extremely hot during the 14 apg stretch and we began to cool off as the season progressed.

Do you seriously think he would average 14 assists the entire season. I called it 10 games in that he would fall to about 11 PER. Rondo disgusts me the way he WHORES for assissts. I'm sick of seeing ruin an easy 2 points he could've had because he's tryin to rack up another assist. I'm sick of his defender 15 feet away from him playing ball denial on one of our big 3 disrupting passing, Im sick his brick jumpers, brick free throws and his unwillingness to assert him as a scorer when our big 3 just flat out isnt shooting the ball well. I say we get rid of him now before the Big 3 retire and he's exposed.

Are you seriou, the miami series proved how overrated he is. He wanted nothing to do with offense in that series. He cost us the series. That whole 'dead arm" act was comical.

[ballup]

He was not going to average 14 apg then entire season regardless. Rondo was not badly injured to the point that he "couldnt" pass. Quite simply put the Celtics came out extremely hot during the 14 apg stretch and we began to cool off as the season progressed.

Do you seriously think he would average 14 assists the entire season. I called it 10 games in that he would fall to about 11 PER. Rondo disgusts me the way he WHORES for assissts. I'm sick of seeing ruin an easy 2 points he could've had because he's tryin to rack up another assist. I'm sick of his defender 15 feet away from him playing ball denial on one of our big 3 disrupting passing, Im sick his brick jumpers, brick free throws and his unwillingness to assert him as a scorer when our big 3 just flat out isnt shooting the ball well. I say we get rid of him now before the Big 3 retire and he's exposed.

Are you seriou, the miami series proved how overrated he is. He wanted nothing to do with offense in that series. He cost us the series. That whole 'dead arm" act was comical.
http://www.gifsforum.com/images/image/not%20sure%20if%20serious/grand/not_sure_if_serious.jpg

[Dbrog]

Am I the only one wondering why the f@ck the Celtics are trying to get rid of their ONLY young allstar player. It just doesn't make sense. Do they not realize the big 3 will be retiring soon? Rondo is LEGIT and people will want to go there to play with him. Celtics need to rethink their strategy...

[Miller for 3]

since the CP3 deal seems to be dead, doesnt that end this rumor as well? What motive would the Cs have to deal Rondo if they arent getting Paul?

[brownmamba00]

That whole 'dead arm" act was comical.
wtf lol

[AMISTILLILL]

Am I the only one wondering why the f@ck the Celtics are trying to get rid of their ONLY young allstar player. It just doesn't make sense. Do they not realize the big 3 will be retiring soon? Rondo is LEGIT and people will want to go there to play with him. Celtics need to rethink their strategy...

It's to make one last push for a ring then reevaluate their options this summer. They've got a two huge contracts coming off the books and will have the flexibility to sign free agents to long term contracts then. Moving Rondo for Chris Paul is an attempt to entice other free agents like Dwight Howard to come on board. It makes sense. They've got their eyes set on CP3 and Dwight being in Celtics unis next season with Pierce as captain and KG/Allen both signing one year contracts.

As a Celtics fan I'm reluctant to ship Rondo out, obviously. If there's any truth to the Broussard rumor about CP3 disinterested in signing an extension with Boston, the whole discussion is moot anyway.

[AMISTILLILL]

wtf lol

Dude is quickly rising in the ranks of biggest troll on ISH (not you, the guy you quoted of course).

[InspiredLebowski]

since the CP3 deal seems to be dead, doesnt that end this rumor as well? What motive would the Cs have to deal Rondo if they arent getting Paul?Yeah, if CP3 won't sign an extension (getting REALLY tired of typing that) in Boston then it'd off I assume. Unless Boston really likes Darren Collison and that old wily vet that helped them get a ring James Posey.