Blake Griffin, Mo Williams guarantee playoffs for Clippers

[Clippersfan86]

Figure we need balance for the couple jealous anti Clippers threads on the board.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-clippers-20111203,0,2860356.story

[G-train]

"We've got the personnel in place," Williams said. "And I know my leadership qualities. I know how hard I worked this off-season to prepare for this, and there's no way I won't be in the playoffs this year."

This means nothing to me.
If they come back with a similar team they won't make the playoffs, no matter how hard Mo worked this off season. or how good he thinks his leadership qualities are.

[che guevara]

The last time Mo Williams made a guarantee, it was that the Cavs would beat the Magic in the ECF. Whoops.

[G-train]

IMO...

Lakers
OKC
Dallas
Spurs
Portland
Memphis
Utah
Houston
Phoenix
GSW
Hornets with Paul

....are all more capable of making the playoffs than the Clippers, barring some massive trade, which hasnt happened, and Mo has made guarantee without knowledge of happening.

[G-train]

Mo Williams to me, is just a role player PG. He isn't a leader. This is a dude that cried almost retired, cos Lebron left cavs.
His statements hold little worth in this scenario.

BTW, Griffin didnt make the guarantee it seems, he just had no problem with Mo talking like that.

[Clippersfan86]

The last time Mo Williams made a guarantee, it was that the Cavs would beat the Magic in the ECF. Whoops.

Yes because guaranteeing you would be an elite team deep in the playoffs= on par with predicting the playoffs :facepalm .

[G-train]

LOL at expecting the 2nd or 3rd worst team in the NBA last season Utah at jumping that many games. Or Houston, Phoenix, GSW who all missed the playoffs like the Clippers of being better. This is just hating. All I can say is we'll see. What I do know is.. I have a really good memory. All of you guys talking trash on my team I'm taking mental notes and will become unbearable when the Clippers are in the playoffs, let alone when they go further.

Cool.
FYI Utah has the 12th worst record.

Keep in mind, I have heard the same statements and guarantees being made by Clippers fans for 20 years.

[G-train]

Also, I have clearly stated that these opinions are barring any massive trade.

Currently, they dont have a playoff team in the west.

[G-train]

Rockets, Suns and Warriors all have much better rosters and coaching/management than Clippers, which seems obvious to me. Suns not so much the talent, but they have great chemistry and depth.
Clippers have Griffin and Gordon, then not much else.

But if something huge happens, like Sterling sells team or they somehow trade for a superstar, they will likely make playoffs as a low seed.

[Clippersfan86]

Mo Williams to me, is just a role player PG. He isn't a leader. This is a dude that cried almost retired, cos Lebron left cavs.
His statements hold little worth in this scenario.

BTW, Griffin didnt make the guarantee it seems, he just had no problem with Mo talking like that.

He said he backs up up fully and just says the rest of the team needs to be ready to back it up. Also LOL dude. Role players don't average 15 and 6. You're a very poor judge of talent as evidenced by saying it's not unreasonable to compare peak Ben Gordon to current Eric Gordon.

Mo is right. The team has so much talent that every year they DON'T make the playoffs from here on out is a flat out embarrassment. I'm sorry but if people are having to pick Utah, Phoenix, Golden State and Houston over the Clippers.... it's laughable. All of those teams were just above the Clips a few games in the west

Houston and Phoenix will likely slide a decent amount, GS should improve but honestly doubt they do better than Clippers. Jazz will improve for sure. Thing is the two playoff teams that will drop out for sure are Denver and NO when they trade CP3 this offseason or early in season. That leaves 2 spots for Clippers, Jazz and Warriors to fight for.

[Clippersfan86]

Cool.
FYI Utah has the 12th worst record.

Keep in mind, I have heard the same statements and guarantees being made by Clippers fans for 20 years.

Yup. Edited in my last post. I had a mental lapse.

[Fatal9]

insideclippers.com

[Clippersfan86]

Rockets, Suns and Warriors all have much better rosters and coaching/management than Clippers, which seems obvious to me. Suns not so much the talent, but they have great chemistry and depth.
Clippers have Griffin and Gordon, then not much else.

But if something huge happens, like Sterling sells team or they somehow trade for a superstar, they will likely make playoffs as a low seed.

You realize that making the playoffs isn't some huge deal? Mind telling me what edge Rockets, Suns, Warriors have in coaching and roster?

Warriors have a completely new NBA coach. Suns have Alvin Gentry who coached the Clippers a few years and he's an average coach. Rockets have an interim coach after stupidly cutting Adelman. Clippers have Del Negro who is decent but actually considered a solid-good coach around the NBA.

So you could argue Clippers have best coach by small margin or at worst equal coach. Then the rosters being better?? :oldlol: . Dude look again. Compare the Clippers roster top to bottom to the Suns, Rockets and Warriors and tell me with a straight face those are more talented teams.

Let me give you a hint. The two best players out of all of the teams are on the Clippers. The best PF? On the Clippers. Best SG? On the Clippers. Best C? On the Clippers.

[Clippersfan86]

insideclippers.com

Hey two of those threads weren't started by Clippers fans but rather anti Clipper. Besides it's a change from all the Lakers, Heat and Knicks threads.

[BEAST Griffin]

Cool.
FYI Utah has the 12th worst record.

Keep in mind, I have heard the same statements and guarantees being made by Clippers fans for 20 years.

So? What impact does that have on THIS season? None.

Just like: The Mavericks will never win a ring. Because they choked every year.

Not to mention this is a completely different roster. Whether other Clippers rosters in the past failed or not or some fans in the past made some claims has zero impact on this season.

This team will fail or succeed on its own merit.

Tradition fallacies are just lame.

[G-train]

He said he backs up up fully and just says the rest of the team needs to be ready to back it up. Also LOL dude. Role players don't average 15 and 6. You're a very poor judge of talent as evidenced by saying it's not unreasonable to compare peak Ben Gordon to current Eric Gordon.

Mo is right. The team has so much talent that every year they DON'T make the playoffs from here on out is a flat out embarrassment. I'm sorry but if people are having to pick Utah, Phoenix, Golden State and Houston over the Clippers.... it's laughable. All of those teams were just above the Clips a few games in the west

Houston and Phoenix will likely slide a decent amount, GS should improve but honestly doubt they do better than Clippers. Jazz will improve for sure. Thing is the two playoff teams that will drop out for sure are Denver and NO when they trade CP3 this offseason or early in season. That leaves 2 spots for Clippers, Jazz and Warriors to fight for.

You seem to have many mental lapses.
RE Ben Gordon, go back and read it. Ben Gordon was a hell of a player for the Bulls, and I said he wasnt as good as Gordon. So dont talk BS.
Mo Williams is ROLE player. He is a high level role player, but a role player none the less. My judge of talent is superior of yours you illegal immigrant thief. I have proven this over 5 years of ISH, and in endeavours not on the web. You have proven to sit on a computer in a dank basement playing stolen games and pulling your dick to Blake Griffin youtube mixes.

I'm happy to be incorrect, but I will be incorrect in style and with the facts, not with a sticky keyboard on ISH.

:pimp:

[G-train]

Tradition fallacies are just lame.

Yet have proven correct for this franchise for 30 years.

[G-train]

You realize that making the playoffs isn't some huge deal? Mind telling me what edge Rockets, Suns, Warriors have in coaching and roster?

Warriors have a completely new NBA coach. Suns have Alvin Gentry who coached the Clippers a few years and he's an average coach. Rockets have an interim coach after stupidly cutting Adelman. Clippers have Del Negro who is decent but actually considered a solid-good coach around the NBA.

So you could argue Clippers have best coach by small margin or at worst equal coach. Then the rosters being better?? :oldlol: . Dude look again. Compare the Clippers roster top to bottom to the Suns, Rockets and Warriors and tell me with a straight face those are more talented teams.

Let me give you a hint. The two best players out of all of the teams are on the Clippers. The best PF? On the Clippers. Best SG? On the Clippers. Best C? On the Clippers.

A few mental lapses in here too.
I have bolded for your perusal.

[Clippersfan86]

Yet have proven correct for this franchise for 30 years.

Doesn't matter at all. Team is hungry, GM is the most active in the NBA right now, players and coaches are buying in and praising our franchise as "first class" and acting like it's the best experience ever. I can care less if you're still judging them presently based on what you've been conditioned to. You're a walking Pavlovian experiment.

You keep using "same old Clippers" logic but anybody with brains can see this is different. Clippers playing on Christmas, superstars wanting to play with Blake Griffin. Hell even having a player like Griffin. This is ALL NEW.

[G-train]

I predict they don't make the playoffs with their current roster, then we hear the same excuses of injuries as last year.

[Clippersfan86]

A few mental lapses in here too.
I have bolded for your perusal.

Start a poll on who's the better player, Gordon or Ellis. Gordon wins them every time. Tell me which center on the Rockets, Suns or Warriors is better than a healthy Kaman? Hell in fact all 3 teams want DeAndre to upgrade their center position. Warriors and Rockets particularly have been linked to trying to steal him.

BTW yes I did have one mental lapse in forgetting the hire of McHale, another unproven NBA coach who Vinny probably has the edge over. Again stay on topic man. Who is the best coach? Two coaches with pretty much zero coaching experience, a known sub par-average coach or a solid coach? McHale coached the Wolves for like 35 games. What makes you think he's the best?

Again tell me logically how you think Clippers don't have most talented roster out of Rockets, Warriors, Suns and Clippers.

[G-train]

Hell even having a player like Griffin. This is ALL NEW.

Griffin is around the same level of Danny Mannning in 93/94 and he demanded a trade out of the place after a few years. So they have drafted great allstar players before.
Not the same hype of Griffin, but a fantastic player at the time. Worthy of being traded for Nique.
Just saying, its not new for them to have had a great allstar player.

[Clippersfan86]

So you agree that if Clippers make playoffs.. you wear Clippers avy from start of playoffs till next all star break after in 2012-2013?

[Clippersfan86]

Griffin is around the same level of Danny Mannning in 93/94 and he demanded a trade out of the place after a few years. So they have drafted great allstar players before.
Not the same hype of Griffin, but a fantastic player at the time. Worthy of being traded for Nique.
Just saying, its not new for them to have had a great allstar player.

So was Bob McAdoo. I'm not saying Griffin is best yet in terms of production. Saying never had such a hard working superstar. A guy who has a legit chance to be a top 50 player of all time if things go right. A guy who fills up the stands... and makes players who previously avoided the Clippers, want to come.

All these free agents naming the Clippers as well as CP3 considering us a 2nd option wouldn't of happened a year ago obviously. It's all Blake Griffin.

[1manfastbreak]

you'll find out who has more talent when the Warriors tap that ass @ the Roaracle on christmas night.

[G-train]

Start a poll on who's the better player, Gordon or Ellis. Gordon wins them every time. Tell me which center on the Rockets, Suns or Warriors is better than a healthy Kaman? Hell in fact all 3 teams want DeAndre to upgrade their center position. Warriors and Rockets particularly have been linked to trying to steal him.

BTW yes I did have one mental lapse in forgetting the hire of McHale, another unproven NBA coach who Vinny probably has the edge over. Again stay on topic man. Who is the best coach? Two coaches with pretty much zero coaching experience, a known sub par-average coach or a solid coach? McHale coached the Wolves for like 35 games. What makes you think he's the best?

Again tell me logically how you think Clippers don't have most talented roster out of Rockets, Warriors, Suns and Clippers.

I think Jackson and McHale are both better coaches than Del Negro already. Dude is horrible in the games I have watched over the past few years. And I think both teams have superior management and support staff. Its my opinion.
Gortat is a superior centre to Kaman and Jordan.
IMO the Clippers have very little talent outside of gordon and Griffin. I dont rate Mo, Aminu, Kaman, Jordan, Foye, Gomes, Bledsoe. I find them all to be overrated. Thats not a clipper hatred. I think its bad team building, recruiting overrated players. I think other teams have bad lists too, but we are discussing the Clippers.
The other teams have a number of talented players and prospects.

[G-train]

So you agree that if Clippers make playoffs.. you wear Clippers avy from start of playoffs till next all star break after in 2012-2013?

Bro I wear the avy. I dont mind at all. I'll be happy for Eric Gordon. I'll wear an E. Gordon avy. But only from start of playoffs til the nba finals.
But if they trade for Howard, Paul. Iggy or a top 20 player deals off. As these predictions are based on current roster.

However, if they dont make the playoffs you have to wear a Miami Heat avy of my choice for same period.

[Clippersfan86]

I think Jackson and McHale are both better coaches than Del Negro already. Dude is horrible in the games I have watched over the past few years. And I think both teams have superior management and support staff. Its my opinion.
Gortat is a superior centre to Kaman and Jordan.
IMO the Clippers have very little talent outside of gordon and Griffin. I dont rate Mo, Aminu, Kaman, Jordan, Foye, Gomes, Bledsoe. I find them all to be overrated. Thats not a clipper hatred. I think its bad team building, recruiting overrated players. I think other teams have bad lists too, but we are discussing the Clippers.
The other teams have a number of talented players and prospects.

Why did the Clippers have the best stretch for a month of all these teams? Why were the Clippers the only ones that beat every single division leader? That won 9 straight at home?

Gortat is very promising and can easily become better than Kaman in a year or two... but at this point he's definitely NOT better. Remember the last time Kaman was healthy two years ago.. he put up 18.5, 9.3 and 1.2 bpg. It's going to be a couple years before Gortat averages that and he may never make an all star team.

Also I can care less what your personal opinion of these coaches are. You're picking one coach with like 35 games under his belt at the NBA level and one with ZERO over a coach who's known by most around the league as being solid.

LOL at calling the Clippers roster overrated or claiming after Gordon+Griffin it's overrated trash or w/e..

[Clippersfan86]

Bro I wear the avy. I dont mind at all. I'll be happy for Eric Gordon. I'll wear an E. Gordon avy. But only from start of playoffs til the nba finals.
But if they trade for Howard, Paul. Iggy or a top 20 player deals off. As these predictions are based on current roster.

However, if they dont make the playoffs you have to wear a Miami Heat avy of my choice for same period.

Deal. If they don't make playoffs I'll wear any basketball related avy you pick for duration of playoffs.

[icewill36]

lol @ that ******* mo williams calling himself a leader.

if the clips make it will probably be because they made a trade or blake goes nuts

[Clippersfan86]

lol @ that ******* mo williams calling himself a leader.

if the clips make it will probably be because they made a trade or blake goes nuts

He's actually been a good leader for the Clippers. Maybe being around a young team with very little direction changed him but in terms of leadership he's different than he was in Cleveland and Milwaukee. Is he going to lead us anywhere on the court? Probably not, We don't need him to. In Cleveland he was a 2nd option. In LA he's a 3rd or 4th option depending on the night.

[Clippersfan86]

I'm gonna crash. Goodnight folks. I don't take it personally if you don't believe the Clippers will do squat. I don't even blame you for doubting a team that always has an excuse for failures. I just like when people give logical reasons and not make ridiculous claims such as...

1. Sterling will screw it up. He's never screwed up our teams, our players have done it.

2. Our players are overrated. I can't think of a single overrated Clipper.

3. Mo Williams and Chris Kaman are role players. Both are all stars recently.

4. Clippers have been this talented before and fell short. They have never had this much talent/flexibility to build.

Things like this. I wish more reasonable people would chime in.

[BEAST Griffin]

Yet have proven correct for this franchise for 30 years.

Huh? Fallacies by their nature are invalid arguments. Whether or not the conclusion that is supported by a fallacy happens to be true or not does not change the fact that the fallacy is an invalid argument and cannot prove/disprove or validate/invalidate anything.

So your statements like "Yet have proven correct for this franchise for 30 years." or "I have heard the same statements and guarantees being made by Clippers fans for 20 years." are invalid arguments. They contribute nothing to a discussion.

Do some home work and read up on logical fallacies.

[ballinhun8]

Jeez clipperfan is starting to reach that obsessed fan level. On that Joyner, pauk, heat007 level where anything critical said of his team will get him yo fight it.



I love how ur GM is the most active. Remind me how many deals has he secured this offseason????.....oh yea that's right. None. And Lmfao. Where the **** do u read VDN is a solid coach??? He is ****in terrible. Believe me. i have seen first hand what he can do to a team with decent expectations and a solid roster.

Even the reasons you just listed are terrible. Williams was a default all-star who had stats cuz of James and was selected in a week year. He is no leader AMD the clips were better off with Daviis. Williams is the type of guy who thinks he's the hero who should be taking the last shot. He is a decent role player. And yea the clips hve been this talented. See 2001, 2005.


You are just starting to get delusional and unfortunately you have turned these posters against your team because you felt the need to post EVERYTHING that had the clips in any kind of positive light. You shoved it down peoples throats. You are ESPN and the clips are your Tebow.

[josh99]

The last time Mo Williams made a guarantee, it was that the Cavs would beat the Magic in the ECF. Whoops.
Exactly what I was thinking.

[senelcoolidge]

IMO...

Lakers
OKC
Dallas
Spurs
Portland
Memphis
Clippers
Utah
Houston
Phoenix
GSW
Hornets with Paul



That's more like it. The Rockets, Suns, Hornets, Jazz, and Warriors are not strong teams. The Clippers could easily surpass these teams as they are right now. Most of those teams are on the decline or going through some type of restructuring.

[ihatetimthomas]

I know it seems like every year it the Clipper year, but I think this is it. I think they will make the playoffs. Griffin is going to be great next season. We have been waiting since Deandre was a rookie to see if he can harness his athletic ability and become a consistent player. He has improved greatly and he is going to be a great defensive player with Griff. Gordon had somewhat of a breakout season last year. He was playing at an all star level before his injury. He can only improve. Mo played pretty well for the Clipps when he came over. His shot is going to be helpful and his playmaking was actually better than I expected.

All in all, it comes down to Griffin and from what I saw last year, he is going to be a superstar and he is ready to lead this team to the playoffs. The Clippers depth is also underrated. Bledsoe, Aminu, Kaman, Gomes, Foye are all capable bench players. Sign Tayshaun Prince and your starting 5 is complete. Barring any injuries (knock on wood) this young Clippers team is ready to take the next step.

[kurple]

How can they possibly say this before all rosters are complete?

The West is wide open for me, so many things could happen.

[Rnbizzle]

Don't see why not. They are like the 7th best team in the West imo, and they can only grow. If Blake comes into this season a monster (again), they sure as hell have a great shot against teams like NO, Houston, Phoenix, Utah, Golden State.. So that leaves them at the bottom of the top 8.

[kurple]

Jeez clipperfan is starting to reach that obsessed fan level. On that Joyner, pauk, heat007 level where anything critical said of his team will get him yo fight it.
Imagine how bad he will be if they start winning

[blacknapalm]

why would you want to go the playoffs with mo williams? have you seen his #s in the playoffs? he's in the bottom half of starting PGs. 'mo gotti' needs to get mo points and mo assists. isn't this the same guy that got depressed when lebron left and still crapped the bed at home vs miami? :oldlol: @ leader and mo williams in the same sentence

[El Kabong]

Cool.
FYI Utah has the 12th worst record.

Keep in mind, I have heard the same statements and guarantees being made by Clippers fans for 20 years.
Yea, I wouldn't rate Utah near the Clippers atm. Too many unknowns, outside of Jefferson, Millsap and Harris you've got young, unproven and inconsistent players.

Still, I like this kinda talk, I'd want my players going into the season with high expectations and feeling like they have something to prove.

[Bigsmoke]

The Clippers got a nice roster so why would it be a suprise to see them make the playoffs?

How many ****** here thought the Bulls were going to win 62 last year?

[Dave3]

Too many people who never watched or followed the Clippers are talking in this thread. The Clippers last year showed enough talent to make the playoffs, and went through points in the season in which they were very strong. After starting off 1-11, they were well above .500 until Gordon went down with an injury. During that stretch they beat the Bulls, Spurs, Heat, and other strong teams. They were in pretty much every game they lost (rarely blown out) but ultimately lost because of their inexperience making mental mistakes at the end.

Does that mean they're making the playoffs this year? I definitely won't say yes for sure yet. But if you're saying they don't have the talent to make it, why are you commenting on something you've never seen? You're just exposing your own ignorance.

[Clippersfan86]

The Clippers got a nice roster so why would it be a suprise to see them make the playoffs?

How many ****** here thought the Bulls were going to win 62 last year?

Yup. I remember last year nobody in their right mind would of picked Rose to win MVP, Bulls to have best record and go to ECF. Same when Thunder broke out. Reality is the fans believed in their teams/players and were looked at as homers and they were proven right. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that this Clippers team is also going to blow up this year or next.

[Clippersfan86]

I know it seems like every year it the Clipper year, but I think this is it. I think they will make the playoffs. Griffin is going to be great next season. We have been waiting since Deandre was a rookie to see if he can harness his athletic ability and become a consistent player. He has improved greatly and he is going to be a great defensive player with Griff. Gordon had somewhat of a breakout season last year. He was playing at an all star level before his injury. He can only improve. Mo played pretty well for the Clipps when he came over. His shot is going to be helpful and his playmaking was actually better than I expected.

All in all, it comes down to Griffin and from what I saw last year, he is going to be a superstar and he is ready to lead this team to the playoffs. The Clippers depth is also underrated. Bledsoe, Aminu, Kaman, Gomes, Foye are all capable bench players. Sign Tayshaun Prince and your starting 5 is complete. Barring any injuries (knock on wood) this young Clippers team is ready to take the next step.

Repped. Great post as usual. I'm glad the posters like you and Dave3 that I know for a fact actually watched a fair amount of Clippers games last year chimed in. These blatant lies and claims by people who clearly haven't watched the Clippers recently are overpowering.

I never thought I'd hear somebody say right now that the Suns, Rockets and Warriors top to bottom are more talented than a fully healthy Clippers squad.

[kurple]

Yup. I remember last year nobody in their right mind would of picked Rose to win MVP, Bulls to have best record and go to ECF. Same when Thunder broke out. Reality is the fans believed in their teams/players and were looked at as homers and they were proven right. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that this Clippers team is also going to blow up this year or next.
There is no guarantee that LAC will do the same as Chi or OKC

Many homers have been proven right, and many have been proven wrong.

Most people would think that they will make the playoffs, but acting like it's guaranteed is just plain stupid.

[Smoke117]

The Clippers may make the playoffs as a lower seed, but they don't have anything to offer defensively consistently to do more then that.

[Clippersfan86]

There is no guarantee that LAC will do the same as Chi or OKC

Many homers have been proven right, and many have been proven wrong.

Most people would think that they will make the playoffs, but acting like it's guaranteed is just plain stupid.

Honestly I respect other fans like myself willing to put their name on the line for the team they believe in. I'm not about to sit here and play it safe that Clips won't make playoffs. F that. That would be contradictory to me saying I'm very confident they will.

I truly believe with all of my heart that this team is going to the playoffs and making the jump or I wouldn't say it. I realize that if they have a bunch of injuries and fall short like usual.. i'll have a big target on my back on ISH and people will troll me like crazy and I'll look like an idiot/homer. I'm willing to risk that. The reward of me being right in believing all along is much greater.

[Clippersfan86]

The Clippers may make the playoffs as a lower seed, but they don't have anything to offer defensively consistently to do more then that.

We finally agree. No way possible Clips get better than 7 seed even if they do improve a ton. Clippers likely get 7th or 8th seed and exit first round this year.

This is the key to our playoff run.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuRG69rgyzI

If he improves yet again our team is going to be monstrous. If he stays same or declines making the leap it will be harder. For about 3 months he was the best defensive anchor in the league after Howard. Dude had a stretch where he AVERAGED 5 blocks over like 12 games or something stupid. Only Dwight could match that.

[hawkfan]

It'll be good for the league to have the Clippers make the playoffs, especially since Blake Griffin is one of the faces of the league.

[DevilsAssassin]

IMO...

Lakers
OKC
Dallas
Spurs
Portland
Memphis
Utah
Houston
Phoenix
GSW
Hornets with Paul

....are all more capable of making the playoffs than the Clippers, barring some massive trade, which hasnt happened, and Mo has made guarantee without knowledge of happening.

A healthy Clippers team is better than the last 5 teams you listed IMO.

[RRR3]

You realize that making the playoffs isn't some huge deal? Mind telling me what edge Rockets, Suns, Warriors have in coaching and roster?

Warriors have a completely new NBA coach. Suns have Alvin Gentry who coached the Clippers a few years and he's an average coach. Rockets have an interim coach after stupidly cutting Adelman. Clippers have Del Negro who is decent but actually considered a solid-good coach around the NBA.

So you could argue Clippers have best coach by small margin or at worst equal coach. Then the rosters being better?? :oldlol: . Dude look again. Compare the Clippers roster top to bottom to the Suns, Rockets and Warriors and tell me with a straight face those are more talented teams.

Let me give you a hint. The two best players out of all of the teams are on the Clippers. The best PF? On the Clippers. Best SG? On the Clippers. Best C? On the Clippers.
Absolutely horrendous post. You could definitely argue Steve Nash is still a better player than Griffin (and he IS still better than EJ). Monta Ellis and (to a lesser extent) Kevin Martin are definitely in the same league as EJ atm, and IMO Monta is slightly better right now. Chris Kaman is a better Center than Al Jefferson? What the **** are you smoking? :facepalm

[HeyMarkus]

im a cavs fan and i forgot, almost laughed when this article reminded me mo was an allstar.

[Clippersfan86]

Absolutely horrendous post. You could definitely argue Steve Nash is still a better player than Griffin (and he IS still better than EJ). Monta Ellis and (to a lesser extent) Kevin Martin are definitely in the same league as EJ atm, and IMO Monta is slightly better right now. Chris Kaman is a better Center than Al Jefferson? What the **** are you smoking? :facepalm

You're not qualified to call somebody's post horrendous after the stuff you've posted on ISH man. You clearly have some hardcore comprehension difficulties because all of what you said, has nothing to do with what I said.

I said Rockets, Suns, Warriors and Clippers twice. I was not comparing Jazz roster to Clippers at all. So yes.. Kaman is better than the centers on those 3 other teams. Also... Steve Nash is not better than Blake Griffin right now, sorry.

Blake Griffin beat Nash pretty handily in win shares last year.

[DevilsAssassin]

You're not qualified to call somebody's post horrendous after the stuff you've posted on ISH man. You clearly have some hardcore comprehension difficulties because all of what you said, has nothing to do with what I said.

I said Rockets, Suns, Warriors and Clippers twice. I was not comparing Jazz roster to Clippers at all. So yes.. Kaman is better than the centers on those 3 other teams. Also... Steve Nash is not better than Blake Griffin right now, sorry.

Blake Griffin beat Nash pretty handily in win shares last year.

So did Kevin Love :oldlol: Joking i do agree Blake was better than Nash last season, but using win share as to a player is better than a player is stupid just like the post i wrote :oldlol:

[Clippersfan86]

So did Kevin Love :oldlol: Joking i do agree Blake was better than Nash last season, but using win share as to a player is better than a player is stupid just like the post i wrote :oldlol:

I use all metrics... but win shares are very good at assessing the value of a player to a team. You'll notice Dwight, Lebron, CP3, Dirk etc guys who are extremely valuable to their team have very high win shares. Regardless Blake Griffin was no question a better player than Nash last year.

It is funny though that win shares say that Kevin Love is responsible for 11 of the Wolves 17 wins. Honestly doesn't surprise me though considering all he did for that team offensively and on the boards.

[Smoke117]

We finally agree. No way possible Clips get better than 7 seed even if they do improve a ton. Clippers likely get 7th or 8th seed and exit first round this year.

This is the key to our playoff run.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuRG69rgyzI

If he improves yet again our team is going to be monstrous. If he stays same or declines making the leap it will be harder. For about 3 months he was the best defensive anchor in the league after Howard. Dude had a stretch where he AVERAGED 5 blocks over like 12 games or something stupid. Only Dwight could match that.

DeAndre Jordan was never close to being the 2nd best defensive anchor for 3 months and he's nothing close to Dwight Howard. Way to YET AGAIN overrate someone on the Clippers. Besides that point, Kevin Garnett AT 34 was a better defensive anchor than Deandre Jordan could ever wish to be last season for an ENTIRE SEASON. Don't spew your nonsense to me.

[Clippersfan86]

Deandre Jordan was never close to being the 2nd best defensive anchor for 3 months and he's nothing close to Dwight Howard. Way to YET AGAIN overrate someone on the Clippers. Besides that point, Kevin Garnett AT 34 was a better defensive anchor than Deandre Jordan could ever wish to be last season for an ENTIRE SEASON. Don't spew your nonsense to me.

KG is a better defender, not a better defensive anchor. This implies a shotblocker and a big who deters shots. DeAndre Jordan was valued as the 3rd best defensive player in the NBA last season by RAPM. His stop rate in the paint was an incredible 70 percent. Teams only scored 30 percent of the time on him.

You should know DeAndre Jordan very well after he obliterated you in Boston, leading the Clippers to a win at the garden last year. Hell right after that game he became a huge free agent target for the Celtics LMAO.

[Rose]

Interesting thread.

First things first: EJ is DEFINITELY better than Kevin Martin.:oldlol: And he's also better than Ellis, who's numbers are inflated because of the pace he plays at. Can he score? Can he shoot effectively? Last year he proved he could do both. I'm eager to see more. EJ had a hell of a year pre-wrist fracture.

Secondly, I'd say McHale is right on par with Del Negro, in fact I'll even say he's better. I LOVED Vinny thought Chicago should have kept him (until they signed Thibs who is better) He's showing he can still develop talent just like he did in Chicago. I think he improved a lot last year. But McHale has coached before, with the T-wolves and they were actually a good team till Big Al tore his ACL, and if I'm not mistaken coached a few games with KG's wolves too. So I do think McHale is probably the better coach, and I even think he'll do wonders with Jordan Hill. But that's another subject.

Third, the Clippers are ready to break out. But only if they keep DeAndre, and at a good price. If he goes, they're going to take a major hit because even though Kaman usually plays well every other year, I don't think he will this year. Borderline: random side note: Overpaying for him hinders their chances of keeping their core together. And I'm not just talking about if they get CP3, Dwight or someone else. I'm talking about keeping Bledsoe, Aminu, and whoever they get this year in the top 5 via the T-wolves pick.

Fourth, everyone's ignored how compacted the schedule will be, and how weak their division will be. They're going to beat the Lakers more than just once this year because of how tired the legs on them are going to be. Not too mention the Spurs, Mavs, etc etc. Don't overlook how this schedule is going to help teams with players in their 3-8 years. The rookies usually hit the wall anyways because they're not used to the extended NBA grind. And some sophomores slump but teams like the Clippers, Thunder, Grizzlies.Will benefit and possibly the Warriors, and Kings.

So all in all this is their year. Really only the Thunder, Mavs, Grizzlies, Lakers, Blazers(if LA is playing), and Spurs are clearly better. Then they're right on par with the glut of Hornets, Rockets, Suns.

[Smoke117]

KG is a better defender, not a better defensive anchor.


Since you love your drating so much: Boston Celtics - Defensive rating: 100.2 (2nd in the league)

Kevin Garnett individual drating - 95

Los Angeles Clippers - Defense rating: 108.7 (18th in the league)

DeAndre Jordan individual drating: 105

Yeah DeAndre was a MUCH BETTER DEFENSIVE ANCHOR, what was I thinking? :facepalm

[Clippersfan86]

Interesting thread.

First things first: EJ is DEFINITELY better than Kevin Martin.:oldlol: And he's also better than Ellis, who's numbers are inflated because of the pace he plays at. Can he score? Can he shoot effectively? Last year he proved he could do both. I'm eager to see more. EJ had a hell of a year pre-wrist fracture.

Secondly, I'd say McHale is right on par with Del Negro, in fact I'll even say he's better. I LOVED Vinny thought Chicago should have kept him (until they signed Thibs who is better) He's showing he can still develop talent just like he did in Chicago. I think he improved a lot last year. But McHale has coached before, with the T-wolves and they were actually a good team till Big Al tore his ACL, and if I'm not mistaken coached a few games with KG's wolves too. So I do think McHale is probably the better coach, and I even think he'll do wonders with Jordan Hill. But that's another subject.

Third, the Clippers are ready to break out. But only if they keep DeAndre, and at a good price. If he goes, they're going to take a major hit because even though Kaman usually plays well every other year, I don't think he will this year. Borderline: random side note: Overpaying for him hinders their chances of keeping their core together. And I'm not just talking about if they get CP3, Dwight or someone else. I'm talking about keeping Bledsoe, Aminu, and whoever they get this year in the top 5 via the T-wolves pick.

Fourth, everyone's ignored how compacted the schedule will be, and how weak their division will be. They're going to beat the Lakers more than just once this year because of how tired the legs on them are going to be. Not too mention the Spurs, Mavs, etc etc. Don't overlook how this schedule is going to help teams with players in their 3-8 years. The rookies usually hit the wall anyways because they're not used to the extended NBA grind. And some sophomores slump but teams like the Clippers, Thunder, Grizzlies.Will benefit and possibly the Warriors, and Kings.

So all in all this is their year. Really only the Thunder, Mavs, Grizzlies, Lakers, Blazers(if LA is playing), and Spurs are clearly better. Then they're right on par with the glut of Hornets, Rockets, Suns.

Good post. I'd say it's fair to say McHale is on par or w/e... I just didn't like Train saying every coach in this pack is superior to Del Negro. Two of these coaches have a combined 35 or so games of coaching experience and one coach is sub par in Gentry. I loved Gentry with our Run N Gun Clippers squads but he's just not a good coach and Vinny is clearly better to me.

I agree that it goes without saying.... if Clippers want to keep this going they re-sign DJ. Without DJ Clippers take a massive hit. Good thing for us is Olshey and Sterling have already said they are matching DJ no matter what (same way Memphis did with Gasol). The Clippers are trying to take it a step further and extend Eric Gordon early too. I do agree this condensed schedule should help young teams.

The key to this is a great early start. If we start like a deer in headlights like last season.. we are done. If we start off strong team will be fine. I'm anxious to see opening day because Warriors give the Clippers problems on the perimeter. We slaughter them in the paint... but if our perimeter defense hasn't improved and teams still bomb a ton of 3's on us... it's going to be a long year.

[Clippersfan86]

Since you love your drating so much: Boston Celtics - Defensive rating: 100.2 (2nd in the league)

Kevin Garnett individual drating - 95

Los Angeles Clippers - Defense rating: 108.7 (18th in the league)

DeAndre Jordan individual drating: 105

Yeah DeAndre was a MUCH BETTER DEFENSIVE ANCHOR, what was I thinking? :facepalm

:oldlol: . How dense are you? KG= better defender, not a better defensive anchor. He doesn't deter or block shots in the paint like DJ which is what is implied by a defensive anchor. KG's an elite man defender. BTW I stopped using DRTG couple weeks ago when I learned about RAPM. Re-adjusted plus and minus. Much more accurate to gauge players defensively. More focused on individual defense. DJ ranked as the 3rd or 4th best defender last year with a 70 percent percentage stop rate on RAPM.

[Smoke117]

:oldlol: . How dense are you? KG= better defender, not a better defensive anchor. He doesn't deter or block shots in the paint like DJ which is what is implied by a defensive anchor. KG's an elite man defender. BTW I stopped using DRTG couple weeks ago when I learned about RAPM. Re-adjusted plus and minus. Much more accurate to gauge players defensively. More focused on individual defense. DJ ranked as the 3rd or 4th best defender last year with a 70 percent percentage stop rate on RAPM.

You don't need to "deter or block shots in the paint" to be a defensive anchor. Kevin Garnett is the Celtics defense anchor because he's the greatest help/team defensive PF ever. There are other ways to anchor a defense besides standing inside the paint waiting for someone to attack the basket and "deter or block shots". You have NO IDEA what you are talking about. Kevin Garnett is not an anchor...just stop talking. Also, I don't need any drating, I watched the Celtics and only an idiot would say Kevin Garnett was not their defensive anchor. It was Pierce trying more on defense and Ray Allen that made them the best defensive team in 08 when they won the championship and Kevin Garnett was awarded DPOY right?. It was his one on one defense that made them such a defensive power house. I swear you spew the most nonsense of anyone on this board.

[Rose]

Good post. I'd say it's fair to say McHale is on par or w/e... I just didn't like Train saying every coach in this pack is superior to Del Negro. Two of these coaches have a combined 35 or so games of coaching experience and one coach is sub par in Gentry. I loved Gentry with our Run N Gun Clippers squads but he's just not a good coach and Vinny is clearly better to me.

I agree that it goes without saying.... if Clippers want to keep this going they re-sign DJ. Without DJ Clippers take a massive hit. Good thing for us is Olshey and Sterling have already said they are matching DJ no matter what (same way Memphis did with Gasol). The Clippers are trying to take it a step further and extend Eric Gordon early too. I do agree this condensed schedule should help young teams.

The key to this is a great early start. If we start like a deer in headlights like last season.. we are done. If we start off strong team will be fine. I'm anxious to see opening day because Warriors give the Clippers problems on the perimeter. We slaughter them in the paint... but if our perimeter defense hasn't improved and teams still bomb a ton of 3's on us... it's going to be a long year.
Gentry is an interesting coach to me, which is why I didn't comment on him. I almost always watch the Suns when they're on TV. And I thought he played the playoffs against every team amazingly 2 years ago. I mean, not really one bad sub, or bad call. Although I guess you can debate not going to the Nash/Amare pick and roll before the 4th quarter. Because really...the Lakers had no chance of stopping that. Especially with the way J-Rich was playing if Nash had the ball even if Kobe was on him...J-rich would have caught a Nash pass from the pick and hit it. But last year, I'm not sure. He seemed very...indifferent? I'm not sure how to explain it.

One thing I want to point out, it'll be interesting to see if the Clippers get a harder schedule than most teams because Stern knows people will tune in to watch Clippers/Heat Clippers/C's and Clippers/Bulls. More than Clippers/Pacers. To me you can't ever really blame the schedule, but if they get screwed over by playing all the top east teams because Stern knows it'll be ratings money, then you have a legit gripe.

[Clippersfan86]

Gentry is an interesting coach to me, which is why I didn't comment on him. I almost always watch the Suns when they're on TV. And I thought he played the playoffs against every team amazingly 2 years ago. I mean, not really one bad sub, or bad call. Although I guess you can debate not going to the Nash/Amare pick and roll before the 4th quarter. Because really...the Lakers had no chance of stopping that. Especially with the way J-Rich was playing if Nash had the ball even if Kobe was on him...J-rich would have caught a Nash pass from the pick and hit it. But last year, I'm not sure. He seemed very...indifferent? I'm not sure how to explain it.

One thing I want to point out, it'll be interesting to see if the Clippers get a harder schedule than most teams because Stern knows people will tune in to watch Clippers/Heat Clippers/C's and Clippers/Bulls. More than Clippers/Pacers. To me you can't ever really blame the schedule, but if they get screwed over by playing all the top east teams because Stern knows it'll be ratings money, then you have a legit gripe.

What's new? We had the 2nd or 3rd longest road trip in NBA history last year and had like the 3rd most brutal schedule in the NBA. It was like the NBA intentionally wanted to rape the Clippers. As for Gentry I suppose he's average and not sub par. I just think with Phoenix he's done okay because of the players. Nash knows how to run the team and what their strengths are. You could have a no name coach and Suns would be able to play. This is a case of Nash making Gentry look good the last two years.

I will say the one good thing about Gentry is.. similar to Vinny he's great at building relationships with young kids and developing them. Giving them confidence to be good in this league. Both are very nice guys. I'm really bummed we couldn't nab Adelman. Imagine Adelman coaching these Clippers?

[Bigsmoke]

IMO...

Lakers
OKC
Dallas
Spurs
Portland
Memphis
Utah
Houston
Phoenix
GSW
Hornets with Paul

....are all more capable of making the playoffs than the Clippers, barring some massive trade, which hasnt happened, and Mo has made guarantee without knowledge of happening.

The Suns?

[Rose]

What's new? We had the 2nd or 3rd longest road trip in NBA history last year and had like the 3rd most brutal schedule in the NBA. It was like the NBA intentionally wanted to rape the Clippers. As for Gentry I suppose he's average and not sub par. I just think with Phoenix he's done okay because of the players. Nash knows how to run the team and what their strengths are. You could have a no name coach and Suns would be able to play. This is a case of Nash making Gentry look good the last two years.

I will say the one good thing about Gentry is.. similar to Vinny he's great at building relationships with young kids and developing them. Giving them confidence to be good in this league. Both are very nice guys. I'm really bummed we couldn't nab Adelman. Imagine Adelman coaching these Clippers?
I can agree with that idea on Gentry, especially the part with VDN. I thought Adelman would have went to the clippers. Granted, I wouldn't want to work under Sterling either given his history of paying coaches.:oldlol:

[Kevin_Gamble]

:oldlol: . How dense are you? KG= better defender, not a better defensive anchor. He doesn't deter or block shots in the paint like DJ which is what is implied by a defensive anchor. KG's an elite man defender. BTW I stopped using DRTG couple weeks ago when I learned about RAPM. Re-adjusted plus and minus. Much more accurate to gauge players defensively. More focused on individual defense. DJ ranked as the 3rd or 4th best defender last year with a 70 percent percentage stop rate on RAPM.

KG is much more than just a man defender. I thought everyone knew this.

[Clippersfan86]

I can agree with that idea on Gentry, especially the part with VDN. I thought Adelman would have went to the clippers. Granted, I wouldn't want to work under Sterling either given his history of paying coaches.:oldlol:

:roll: . Yea ROFL! I didn't even think of the infamous Sterling. I don't buy the "Players don't wanna play under Sterling" because players never deal with owners really. Coaches and GM's not wanting to play under Sterling is 100 percent legit and fair though. Dude has been involved in lawsuits with Baylor+Dunleavy in recent years because of treating them poorly, not paying them their contract.

[brisbaneman]

They MIGHT sneak into the 8 seed but only because of Denver's contractual issues. However I still don't see the Clippers making the playoffs. I have them at 10th-11th.

[Clippersfan86]

KG is much more than just a man defender. I thought everyone knew this.

Didn't say that's all he is :facepalm . Anybody implying that KG defensively has more impact as a defensive anchor though in the paint and at the rim than DJ right now doesn't watch basketball it's safe to say. I've watched KG since he was a kid out of high school on the Wolves. I'm well aware of his defensive ability. Dude has an incredibly long stretch of seasons as an elite man defender who can shut people down. He also was a solid shot blocker in his prime. He does NOT defend the rim like DJ though. Not now, not ever.

[Rose]

:roll: . Yea ROFL! I didn't even think of the infamous Sterling. I don't buy the "Players don't wanna play under Sterling" because players never deal with owners really. Coaches and GM's not wanting to play under Sterling is 100 percent legit and fair though. Dude has been involved in lawsuits with Baylor+Dunleavy in recent years because of treating them poorly, not paying them their contract.
I'd say players somewhat, because of the whole Baron Davis fiasco of Sterling on the sideline, and in the lockerroom. I don't know if that's ever happened before though. Well didn't he want to not pay Dunleavy after he fired him?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Donald-Sterling-has-to-pay-Mike-Dunleavy-a-lot-o?urn=nba-wp4930

When he dies, and the Clippers are sold to Geffen, it'll be cool to like the Clippers. Watch!

[Bigsmoke]

Absolutely horrendous post. You could definitely argue Steve Nash is still a better player than Griffin (and he IS still better than EJ). Monta Ellis and (to a lesser extent) Kevin Martin are definitely in the same league as EJ atm, and IMO Monta is slightly better right now. Chris Kaman is a better Center than Al Jefferson? What the **** are you smoking? :facepalm


not really.

I prefer Eric Gordon explosiveness and is more consistent and plus he still has room to grow still. What we see now from Kevin Martin now is what we will see from him for another 2 or 3 years before when he declines.

[brisbaneman]

Didn't say that's all he is :facepalm . Anybody implying that KG defensively has more impact as a defensive anchor though in the paint and at the rim than DJ right now doesn't watch basketball it's safe to say. I've watched KG since he was a kid out of high school on the Wolves. I'm well aware of his defensive ability. Dude has an incredibly long stretch of seasons as an elite man defender who can shut people down. He also was a solid shot blocker in his prime. He does NOT defend the rim like DJ though. Not now, not ever.

Why is it that everything you say is wrong?

[Clippersfan86]

Why is it that everything you say is wrong?

I'm being trolled by notoriously bad posters on ISH telling me my posts are bad :oldlol: . Never did I think I'd see this. Clippers talk brings out the crazy side of people. Nobody minds Heat, Lakers threads dominating the board every day but a few Clippers ones throw everybody out of wack. :banana:

[Clippersfan86]

I'd say players somewhat, because of the whole Baron Davis fiasco of Sterling on the sideline, and in the lockerroom. I don't know if that's ever happened before though. Well didn't he want to not pay Dunleavy after he fired him?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Donald-Sterling-has-to-pay-Mike-Dunleavy-a-lot-o?urn=nba-wp4930

When he dies, and the Clippers are sold to Geffen, it'll be cool to like the Clippers. Watch!

Honestly dude.. Sterling shouldn't of done it.. but can you blame him? Baron gave us like 3 good months out of 2.5 years of a fat contract STERLING paid! I would be tempted to yell sh** at him too. The humorous thing is the insult didn't stop there. When asked about it next day he said he was mad because the team signed Baron and that they signed another guy he doesn't know the name of (talking about Ryan Gomes). I was seriously cracking up because Gomes is bad enough to completely forget.

Yes he tried not to pay Dunleavy.

[brisbaneman]

I'm being trolled by notoriously bad posters on ISH telling me my posts are bad :oldlol: . Never did I think I'd see this. Clippers talk brings out the crazy side of people. Nobody minds Heat, Lakers threads dominating the board every day but a few Clippers ones throw everybody out of wack. :banana:

How am I a notoriously bad poster? My credibility has been verified many times. Some people choose to not like me because I speak the truth.

people don't like you because you make up outright lies about Griffin and your team. They aren't making the playoffs. I can guarantee you this. Nobody really has a problem with the Clippers, it's just that they are the laughingstock of the league and this will never change.

[Clippersfan86]

How am I a notoriously bad poster? My credibility has been verified many times. Some people choose to not like me because I speak the truth.

people don't like you because you make up outright lies about Griffin and your team. They aren't making the playoffs. I can guarantee you this.

Tell me which lies I've made up? I'd say the lies have been made up by people who don't watch the team like yourself trolling this thread. Which is why you have reputable guys like Zen, Dave3, TimThomas and Rose who I know for a fact have watched the Clippers in recent years... disagreeing with you guys about how bad the Clippers are etc.

Like the Lakers fan the other day who said Bynum>Eric Gordon and that Ben Gordon=Eric Gordon etc. SO many people are misinformed here regarding the Clippers.

[RRR3]

I use all metrics... but win shares are very good at assessing the value of a player to a team. You'll notice Dwight, Lebron, CP3, Dirk etc guys who are extremely valuable to their team have very high win shares. Regardless Blake Griffin was no question a better player than Nash last year.

It is funny though that win shares say that Kevin Love is responsible for 11 of the Wolves 17 wins. Honestly doesn't surprise me though considering all he did for that team offensively and on the boards.
I used to be a fan of wins shares, but I've come to realize they are ridiculously favorable towards big men. They're a pretty shitty stat. PER is a better advanced stat, although it is also far from perfect.

[Rose]

I just realized I talked legit NBA for the first time in months. And it feels good.:rockon:

[RRR3]

not really.

I prefer Eric Gordon explosiveness and is more consistent and plus he still has room to grow still. What we see now from Kevin Martin now is what we will see from him for another 2 or 3 years before when he declines.
I never said KMart was better or equal (he's not) I said he was in the same league.

[Clippersfan86]

I used to be a fan of wins shares, but I've come to realize they are ridiculously favorable towards big men. They're a pretty shitty stat. PER is a better advanced stat, although it is also far from perfect.

If they favor bigmen... why do Lebron and CP3 lead them in most recent years? CP3 had an INCREDIBLE mind blowing 18 win share average over 2 seasons which is only matched by Lebron.

[brisbaneman]

Tell me which lies I've made up? I'd say the lies have been made up by people who don't watch the team like yourself trolling this thread. Which is why you have reputable guys like Zen, Dave3, TimThomas and Rose who I know for a fact have watched the Clippers in recent years... disagreeing with you guys about how bad the Clippers are etc.

Like the Lakers fan the other day who said Bynum>Eric Gordon and that Ben Gordon=Eric Gordon etc. SO many people are misinformed here regarding the Clippers.

I used to go to a few Clippers games when in LA and would usually catch games on TV. The Clippers don't have anyone good enough to make the playoffs this season.

The thing is that you employ all sorts of statistics and metrics to push bogus claims like 'Griffin is in the same league as Dirk' or 'Gordon is a top 5 shooting guard.' You'd be much more tolerable if you'd just accept that the Clippers are a young and exciting team much like the Warriors or Blazers but with no chance at competing for a championship.

[Clippersfan86]

I used to go to a few Clippers games when in LA and would usually catch games on TV. The Clippers don't have anyone good enough to make the playoffs this season.

The thing is that you employ all sorts of statistics and metrics to push bogus claims like 'Griffin is in the same league as Dirk' or 'Gordon is a top 5 shooting guard.' You'd be much more tolerable if you'd just accept that the Clippers are a young and exciting team much like the Warriors or Blazers but with no chance at competing for a championship.

First off... I never said Griffin=Dirk. I said they aren't an entire tier apart in terms of stats/talent. Statistically Griffin has a huge edge over Dirk. I rank Dirk higher because he's proven again and again he leads his team far and his impact is bigger than Griffin's. He's also coming off an INCREDIBLE playoff run so it makes him sit a bit higher than normal.

I consider Griffin the 3rd best PF in the game going into this season. Also nobody said they would compete for a championship. We are talking about making the playoffs right now :facepalm .

[brisbaneman]

First off... I never said Griffin=Dirk. I said they aren't an entire tier apart in terms of stats/talent. Statistically Griffin has a huge edge over Dirk. I rank Dirk higher because he's proven again and again he leads his team far and his impact is bigger than Griffin's. He's also coming off an INCREDIBLE playoff run so it makes him sit a bit higher than normal.

I consider Griffin the 3rd best PF in the game going into this season. Also nobody said they would compete for a championship. We are talking about making the playoffs right now :facepalm .

Griffin isn't #3. Dirk, Amare, Z-Bo, Aldridge, and Bosh are all better. I am sure I am forgetting a couple others too.

[Clippersfan86]

Griffin isn't #3. Dirk, Amare, Z-Bo, Aldridge, and Bosh are all better. I am sure I am forgetting a couple others too.

Give me a good reason why Zbo, Aldridge and Bosh are better than Griffin.

[DevilsAssassin]

Give me a good reason why Zbo, Aldridge and Bosh are better than Griffin.

http://troll.me/images/facepalm-picard/line-number-zero-not-this-shit-again.jpg

[brisbaneman]

Give me a good reason why Zbo, Aldridge and Bosh are better than Griffin.

Well for one, all three made the playoffs, Aldridge did it as the first option, Zbo helped defeat the #1 seed and Bosh has been a proven player for a while now.

I'm not sure what Griffin did that someone like Shareef Abdur Rahim hadn't already done on a shitty Hawks team.

[Clippersfan86]

http://troll.me/images/facepalm-picard/line-number-zero-not-this-shit-again.jpg

Go ahead. Griffin was selected over Aldridge by coaches for the ASG as a rookie. Only people I've heard argue Aldridge as being better are some fans. Even Aldridge didn't dispute Griffin making it over him. Griffin had superior stats AND the "amazing" January by Aldridge was beaten by Griffin's stretch easily.

Only edge I give Aldridge is his team got to the playoffs with him leading the way. As for Bosh... nobody needs to explain why Griffin>Bosh at this point :facepalm .

[brisbaneman]

Go ahead. Griffin was selected over Aldridge by coaches for the ASG as a rookie. Only people I've heard argue Aldridge as being better are some fans. Even Aldridge didn't dispute Griffin making it over him. Griffin had superior stats AND the "amazing" January by Aldridge was beaten by Griffin's stretch easily.

Only edge I give Aldridge is his team got to the playoffs with him leading the way. As for Bosh... nobody needs to explain why Griffin>Bosh at this point :facepalm .

Actually a lot of folks were outraged that Griffin was selected over Aldridge. A lot of players commented on it.

[Shadynasty's]

I used to go to a few Clippers games when in LA and would usually catch games on TV. The Clippers don't have anyone good enough to make the playoffs this season.

The thing is that you employ all sorts of statistics and metrics to push bogus claims like 'Griffin is in the same league as Dirk' or 'Gordon is a top 5 shooting guard.' You'd be much more tolerable if you'd just accept that the Clippers are a young and exciting team much like the Warriors or Blazers but with no chance at competing for a championship.

I'd say Gordon was a top 5 shooting guard last season.

[Clippersfan86]

Well for one, all three made the playoffs, Aldridge did it as the first option, Zbo helped defeat the #1 seed and Bosh has been a proven player for a while now.

I'm not sure what Griffin did that someone like Shareef Abdur Rahim hadn't already done on a shitty Hawks team.

So a rookie didn't immediately lead his team to 47+ wins to make the playoffs so he can't be a better individual player than these players who had MUCH more experienced teams? Aldridge had a depleted Blazers roster but we can't forget they have capable veterans and added Wallace before the trade deadline which boosted their team big time.

Lol at comparing Griffin to Abdur Rahim.

[Clippersfan86]

Actually a lot of folks were outraged that Griffin was selected over Aldridge. A lot of players commented on it.

Name the players who were commenting on it? I can tell you all the players like Duncan, Dirk and CP3 who said Griffin absolutely deserved it.

[brisbaneman]

So a rookie didn't immediately lead his team to 47+ wins to make the playoffs so he can't be a better individual player than these players who had MUCH more experienced teams? Aldridge had a depleted Blazers roster but we can't forget they have capable veterans and added Wallace before the trade deadline which boosted their team big time.

Lol at comparing Griffin to Abdur Rahim.

It's not even like Griffin had a garbage team. Baron Davis/Mo Williams and Eric Gordon and DJ plus a bunch of other young guys like Bledsoe and that African guy. a second year Dirk easily gets that team into the postseason.

What's so funny at the comparison? Almost never did Griffin generate buckets in meaningful games. I followed him closely and a lot of his stats came in garbage time.

[brisbaneman]

Name the players who were commenting on it? I can tell you all the players like Duncan, Dirk and CP3 who said Griffin absolutely deserved it.

Dirk was outspoken about how Aldridge should have made the all star team.

[DevilsAssassin]

It's not even like Griffin had a garbage team. Baron Davis/Mo Williams and Eric Gordon and DJ plus a bunch of other young guys like Bledsoe and that African guy. a second year Dirk easily gets that team into the postseason.

What's so funny at the comparison? Almost never did Griffin generate buckets in meaningful games. I followed him closely and a lot of his stats came in garbage time.

:facepalm

His name is the "Chief"

[BGriffin's Dad]

There isn't one sane person who knows and watches basketball that wasn't impressed by Blake's rookie season. Saying that Aldridge, Randolph and Bosh had better individual 10/11 seasons? Really? Like... really?

and EJ was easily top 5 best SG last season too.

[Clippersfan86]

Dirk was outspoken about how Aldridge should have made the all star team.

Which was in place of Love. NOT Griffin. Dirk praised Griffin and said he deserved it on more than one occasion. When you have guys like Dirk, Duncan, CP3 and Kobe giving you the praise.. you know you're special. Wanna know what Kobe said after Blake Griffin dominated the 4th quarter and led the Clippers to win over Lakers?

[brisbaneman]

There isn't one sane person who knows and watches basketball that wasn't impressed by Blake's rookie season. Saying that Aldridge, Randolph and Bosh had better individual 10/11 seasons? Really? Like... really?

and EJ was easily top 5 best SG last season too.

Hello Mr. Griffin, with all due respect I have to disagree with your assessment of your son. I think players who lead teams to victories despite being the main focus of the defense are more impressive than guys with monster stats on shitty team.

also if Clippers have a top 3 PF and top 5 SG, why were they so incredibly shitty?

[Clippersfan86]

:facepalm

His name is the "Chief"

He's a known racist on ISH. Don't mind his ignorance :applause: . "That African guy". If we could sig people I would sig that right there :oldlol: . Al Farouq is actually African royalty though even though he grew up in the US. He's a prince.

[brisbaneman]

He's a known racist on ISH. Don't mind his ignorance :applause: . "That African guy". If we could sig people I would sig that right there :oldlol: . Al Farouq is actually African royalty though even though he grew up in the US. He's a prince.

is this what qualifies for racism these days? Sad world we live in.

[Clippersfan86]

is this what qualifies for racism these days? Sad world we live in.

Maybe a mildly racist comment but still dude people have known of your racism for a while.

[brisbaneman]

Maybe a mildly racist comment but still dude people have known of your racism for a while.

Racism is usually an implication of superiority over another race and/or beliefs that another race is inferior.

I did not know that stating that someone from Africa is an African now constitutes racism. I assume it will eventually get to the point where if you criticize anything done by someone of Black/African descent you will be brandished an all out racist.

[b0bab0i]

It's not even like Griffin had a garbage team. Baron Davis/Mo Williams and Eric Gordon and DJ plus a bunch of other young guys like Bledsoe and that African guy. a second year Dirk easily gets that team into the postseason.

What's so funny at the comparison? Almost never did Griffin generate buckets in meaningful games. I followed him closely and a lot of his stats came in garbage time.
Al Farouq Aminu was born in the United States.

[Clippersfan86]

Al Farouq Aminu was born in the United States.

He's clueless.

[BGriffin's Dad]

2010-11 Season Averages

Blake Griffin: 22.5 PPG, 50.6 FG%, 29.2 3PT%, 64.2 FT%, 12.1 RPG, 3.8 APG, 0.8 SPG, 0.6 BPG, 2.72 TO, +25.62 EFF
Zach Randolph: 20.1 PPG, 50.3 FG%, 18.6 3PT%, 75.8 FT%, 12.2 RPG, 2.2 APG, 0.8 SPG, 0.3 BPG, 2.01 TO, +24.23 EFF
LaMarcus Aldridge: 21.8 PPG, 50.0 FG%, 17.4 3PT%, 79.1 FT%, 8.8 RPG, 2.1 APG, 1.0 SPG, 1.2 BPG, 1.9 TO, +20.00 EFF
Chris Bosh: 18.7 PPG, 49.6 FG%, 24.0 3PT%, 81.5 FT%, 8.3 RPG, 1.9 APG, 0.8 SPG, 0.6 BPG, 1.8 TO, +19.29 EFF

Blake Griffin ranks #3 in Double-Doubles, #5 in Triple-Doubles #4 in RPG, #3 in Total Rebounds, #10 in Points, #3 in Total Efficiency Points, #4 in EFF Ranking.

[chazzy]

KG is a better defender, not a better defensive anchor.
wtf am i readingggg

[Clippersfan86]

wtf am i readingggg

KG is better at defending the rim?

[chazzy]

KG is better at defending the rim?
You don't need to be a rim protector to be a defensive anchor. Being a better shotblocker =/= better anchor

[Clippersfan86]

You don't need to be a rim protector to be a defensive anchor. Being a better shotblocker =/= better anchor

Okay so we view the criteria differently. When I was discussing defensive anchor I said protecting the rim/shotblocking. I even said KG clearly superior defender so nothing to get offended about.

[Smoke117]

Okay so we view the criteria differently. When I was discussing defensive anchor I said protecting the rim/shotblocking. I even said KG clearly superior defender so nothing to get offended about.

Being a defensive anchor does not mean just protecting the rim/shotblocking. Scottie Pippen was the Bulls defensive anchor in 95, was he in the paint blocking shots? No. Amare Stoudemire averaged 1.9bpg to KG's 0.8...is he now a defensive anchor and a better defensive player. Just Concede already that YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

[ballsohard247]

Blake is obviously a high impact player that can get you to the playoffs, but Mo Shots Williams? Never been a fan of him.

[bd#1pguard]

who is mo williams to say such a thing, its not like he can do anything aside from hitting an open three and forgetting when the shot clock runs out...now if blake said such a thing than maybe but he needs to hit free throws first...and why is kaman still playing basketball????

[R.I.P.]

Wow, if they guaranteed it. Then let me bet a million dollars on Clippers to make the play-offs. I

[qrich]

IMO...

Lakers
OKC
Dallas
Spurs
Portland
Memphis
Utah
Houston
Phoenix
GSW
Hornets with Paul

....are all more capable of making the playoffs than the Clippers, barring some massive trade, which hasnt happened, and Mo has made guarantee without knowledge of happening.

Curious, explain how Utah, Houston, Phoenix, GSW and Hornets are better than the Clippers. Even Portland (if there is no Roy)?


Mo Williams to me, is just a role player PG. He isn't a leader. This is a dude that cried almost retired, cos Lebron left cavs.
His statements hold little worth in this scenario.

BTW, Griffin didnt make the guarantee it seems, he just had no problem with Mo talking like that.

Mo Williams has been a bigger leader recently than Baron has. Organizing team mini-camps, training sessions, getting the team to play together in the Impact League, rookie chemistry building, etc. I'd say those are stuff that a leader does.


Rockets, Suns and Warriors all have much better rosters and coaching/management than Clippers, which seems obvious to me. Suns not so much the talent, but they have great chemistry and depth.
Clippers have Griffin and Gordon, then not much else.

But if something huge happens, like Sterling sells team or they somehow trade for a superstar, they will likely make playoffs as a low seed.

HOW? The Clippers front court, as-is, dominates the front courts of those teams 5 days out of the week. Gordon can guard Ellis/Curry and Bledsoe/Mo/Foye can do a decent job on the other, while Gordon will also put up plenty of points. Throw in Griffin as well.


A few mental lapses in here too.
I have bolded for your perusal.

I take Gordon 7/7 days over Ellis, Martin, Pietrus. Also Kaman/Jordan over Lopez/Gortat, Thabeet/Hill, Biedrins/Lee. But then again, you said Ben = Eric ..

[Nash]

Mo's leadership qualities clearly showed when Lebron left.

[All Net]

I think alot of it depends on griffin on the defensive end to be honest.

[ballinhun8]

How quickly you guys forget how good Ben Gordon was.



Youre comparing EG, who at this rate might only play 40 games this year considering how fragile he is, to Big Ben who was a clutch player and a guy who could hit any shot from anywhere on the court. A proven winner.

[qrich]

How quickly you guys forget how good Ben Gordon was.



Youre comparing EG, who at this rate might only play 40 games this year considering how fragile he is, to Big Ben who was a clutch player and a guy who could hit any shot from anywhere on the court. A proven winner.

Fragile? Does EJ have glass knees, a torn ligament or chronic back problems that I didn't know about?

Besides shooting from distance, I'd take Eric over Ben in other aspects, and even shooting wise, Eric had a better overall field goal percentage. Eric is a much better defender and can score in many more ways as well. Ben is a good spark plug off the bench, while Eric can, potentially, be a 2nd option on a contending side.

[BGriffin's Dad]

How quickly you guys forget how good Ben Gordon was.



Youre comparing EG, who at this rate might only play 40 games this year considering how fragile he is, to Big Ben who was a clutch player and a guy who could hit any shot from anywhere on the court. A proven winner.

"Big Ben" isn't Ben Gordon.

[ballinhun8]

"Big Ben" isn't Ben Gordon.



Its what Bulls fans called him during his time year.

[R.I.P.]

Curious, explain how Utah, Houston, Phoenix, GSW and Hornets are better than the Clippers. Even Portland (if there is no Roy)?

1 San Antonio 61 21
2 LA Lakers 57 25
3 Dallas 57 25
4 Oklahoma City 55 27
5 Denver 50 32
6 Portland 48 34
7 New Orleans 46 36
8 Memphis 46 36
9 Houston 43 39
10 Phoenix 40 42
11 Utah 39 43
12 Golden State 36 46
13 LA Clippers 32 50
14 Sacramento 24 58
15 Minnesota 17 65

14 extra wins to make the play-offs.

[Clippersfan86]

1 San Antonio 61 21
2 LA Lakers 57 25
3 Dallas 57 25
4 Oklahoma City 55 27
5 Denver 50 32
6 Portland 48 34
7 New Orleans 46 36
8 Memphis 46 36
9 Houston 43 39
10 Phoenix 40 42
11 Utah 39 43
12 Golden State 36 46
13 LA Clippers 32 50
14 Sacramento 24 58
15 Minnesota 17 65

14 extra wins to make the play-offs.


You apparently know nothing about basketball if you think record= how good a team is. Many teams overachieve and underachieve based on many things.

[qrich]

14 extra wins to make the play-offs.

1] Healthier Eric Gordon
2] More Team Chemistry due to offseason workouts organized by Mo Williams and Blake Griffin along with season #2 under Vinny Del Negro.
3] No Baron Davis drama.
4] Young guns (Eric, Blake, Eric, Al, DeAndre) improving.
5] Possible trade speculation to get Chris Paul, Dwight Howard along with other names like Andre Iguodala, Danny Granger and the such.

[ballinhun8]

EG -


Games Played :

78
62
56



Tell me that isnt cause for concern.


And BG was a starter for playoff teams thriughout his tenure in Chicago. And he and both EG were undersized so they could only defend certain 2 guards. And how can he score in more ways then Gordon did?



If you look at their stats you see that EG is similar to Ben during their first three years. Onky difference was Ben was leading the Bulls in scoring en route to the playoffs.

[ballinhun8]

You apparently know nothing about basketball if you think record= how good a team is. Many teams overachieve and underachieve based on many things.



LMFAO!!!!!! OMG NO NO NO NO


"What??? I dont care if the Bulls were 72-10, i will take the Sonics 60-22 record that same year over them. Wins dont mean anything, they're overrated statistics".




Like I said earlier, youre getting to that delusional pauk level.

[qrich]

I don't even remember what Gordon's injuries were his sophomore year, and last year it hindered him greatly, but he still put up superb numbers and he doesn't seem to have any sort of lingering issues such as glass knees, torn ligaments, etc. etc. .

Eric is better at attacking the basket as shown by him jamming on Jeremy Anderson here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6BQ3MmMrqE), Duncan Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10osANIBWcY&feature=related), A clutch dunk to send a game to overtime over Millsap (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PtAPCDdinQ&feature=related), Hibbert (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3__sEzUOo0&feature=related). I don't recall Ben ever scoring in any way along those lines and EJ gets to the line more often as well (lowest of 4.5 and highest of 6.2 vs low of 3.3 and high of 4.7 for Ben in Chicago ONLY).

Also, just because Eric Gordon is undersized doesn't mean he can only guard certain 2-guards. He has a 6'9 wingspan (IIRC) and has guarded Kobe, Wade, Ray Ray on a consistent basis. I don't recall seing Ben do the same.

[KBryant24]

mo williams is a scrub, the clips will make the playoffs, but I guarantee he will not have anything to do with it

[Meticode]

Does Mr. Williams ever freakin' learn from his Cavalier days? Dude is going to come up disappointed and slit his wrists while he has his double-shooting-sleeves on.

[chips93]

You apparently know nothing about basketball if you think record= how good a team is. Many teams overachieve and underachieve based on many things.

you've gotten very sensitive over what people say about your team. just relax dude, we'll all find out in a month or two who is good and who isnt. no point getting all worked about it, when we'll ind out for sure soon enough.

[G-train]

But if you're saying they don't have the talent to make it, why are you commenting on something you've never seen? You're just exposing your own ignorance.

Talent doesnt make the playoffs, organisations do. Teams do. Which was my point. There are 8 or 9 better organisations that I think are more playoff ready than the current clippers.

[ballinhun8]

You're probably one of Rocket's alts based on how you retarded you are. Seriously your lack of logic in all of these responses is surprisingly bad.

Comparing Eric Gordon to Ben Gordon. While statistically Eric Gordon's edge may not be big... he's a superior defender, playmaker and just in general a better player. Can't always go by the stats bud.

Nothing you're saying is based on logic such as players developing etc. Not everything is so black and white. We had new coaching staff, 9 new players, sh**tload of injuries to all of our players besides Blake Griffin. Just a healthy squad alone without any improvement=10 more wins easy.


You're gonna question my credibility when you haven't taken the homer glasses since you started posting here. I been on ISH since 2001 moron. Same username and everything. Funny how just cuz some posters criticize yuor team and call you out for your homerism and biasness and you can't take it.

And NO. I is obvious you just started watching basketball and you only can see the game thru Clips glasses cuz you cant see what is in front of you. At this point in his career Eric Gordon is nothing but a huskier Ben Gordon. You dont think Ben was a playmaker his first few years with the Bulls? No of course he just won 6th man his rookie yesr for putting up empty stats on a playoff team. Hes a better playmaker yet they avgd the same apg from the same position. He is a superior defender because? You say so?



You say everything is not so blacj and white yet you are the first to say that it is a guarantee they will get better. I am sorry but it does not always work out that way. Teams, players, they can Re-Gress you know?? Did you ever think of that??? Maybe they wont have chemistry. Maybe the coach keeps making dumb decisions and putting in the wrong lineups. Maybe your SG misses more games then the previous year for the fourth straight season.



But no anything anti-Clippers makes your panties twist. This is why people are getting tired of your act.

[Clippersfan86]

you've gotten very sensitive over what people say about your team. just relax dude, we'll all find out in a month or two who is good and who isnt. no point getting all worked about it, when we'll ind out for sure soon enough.

You're right I am being a bit sensitive. Mainly because the Clippers are the one team I have to say that maybe about 10 posters on ISH know about. I feel like everybody here pretty much has an opinion about the Clippers but talks about something they don't know. When I call these same guys out.. they don't know a damn thing about the team.

All I ask is.... if you're going to write paragraphs about my team PLEASE be prepared to back it up with facts and viewing experience. Looking at season standings and stats to argue= very bad.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Talk is cheap. Lets see them go out there and do it.

[Clippersfan86]

You're gonna question my credibility when you haven't taken the homer glasses since you started posting here. I been on ISH since 2001 moron. Same username and everything. Funny how just cuz some posters criticize yuor team and call you out for your homerism and biasness and you can't take it.

And NO. I is obvious you just started watching basketball and you only can see the game thru Clips glasses cuz you cant see what is in front of you. At this point in his career Eric Gordon is nothing but a huskier Ben Gordon. You dont think Ben was a playmaker his first few years with the Bulls? No of course he just won 6th man his rookie yesr for putting up empty stats on a playoff team. Hes a better playmaker yet they avgd the same apg from the same position. He is a superior defender because? You say so?



You say everything is not so blacj and white yet you are the first to say that it is a guarantee they will get better. I am sorry but it does not always work out that way. Teams, players, they can Re-Gress you know?? Did you ever think of that??? Maybe they wont have chemistry. Maybe the coach keeps making dumb decisions and putting in the wrong lineups. Maybe your SG misses more games then the previous year for the fourth straight season.



But no anything anti-Clippers makes your panties twist. This is why people are getting tired of your act.

Weird because your title says 06 and you have under 1500 posts on this account in 5 years. I know for a fact you're one of the retards here with multiple accounts to hide behind.

Reality is.... it's much more realistic to predict a high upside, young team with two legit franchise players is going to improve a fair amount... than to say they won't :confusedshrug: .

[chips93]

You're right I am being a bit sensitive. Mainly because the Clippers are the one team I have to say that maybe about 10 posters on ISH know about. I feel like everybody here pretty much has an opinion about the Clippers but talks about something they don't know. When I call these same guys out.. they don't know a damn thing about the team.

All I ask is.... if you're going to write paragraphs about my team PLEASE be prepared to back it up with facts and viewing experience. Looking at season standings and stats to argue= very bad.

i agree with all of this, but i think you have to expect a backlash, when there seems to be clipper threads made daily. every rumor, comment, etc. become a thread. when this much attention is put on them you have to expect a backlash. its essentially why ppl hate bron.

also

irving > bledsoe :pimp:

[ballinhun8]

Weird because your title says 06 and you have under 1500 posts on this account in 5 years. I know for a fact you're one of the retards here with multiple accounts to hide behind.

Reality is.... it's much more realistic to predict a high upside, young team with two legit franchise players is going to improve a fair amount... than to say they won't :confusedshrug: .



Yea i dont post all the time. Is that weird that someone doesnt posts iver 50 times a day? This forum is shit compared to what it used to be. Nothing but 15 yr old here and dumb trolls. I post mainly in the NFL Forum where all the knowledgable guys are.
Check my IP dick if you sre so insecure. I dont need multiple accts. I have one team to follow. I know basketball unlike you.



And stop. Just stop right there. Eric Gordon is not a god damn franchise player. You sound reasonable one minute and the next minute the homer glasses come right back on. Gordon is a complimebtary piece. He is not a franchise guy. Why you think the Bulls let their Gordon go?


And if you need an example of a youbg team who failed to live to expectations. Look at this year Tamba Bay Buccaneers. Young guys galore. Played good last year and this year. FLAT on their face.

[Clippersfan86]

i agree with all of this, but i think you have to expect a backlash, when there seems to be clipper threads made daily. every rumor, comment, etc. become a thread. when this much attention is put on them you have to expect a backlash. its essentially why ppl hate bron.

also

irving > bledsoe :pimp:

:cheers: lol. Yea fair enough. I guess more attention= more haters. I gotta get used to the team not being under the radar anymore. Gotta take the lickings before you get to the big leagues.

I'm still going to honor our bet but the more I've seen of Irving I expect more of him and like him more. He should be a better player than Bledsoe for sure :cheers: .

[Clippersfan86]

Yea i dont post all the time. Is that weird that someone doesnt posts iver 50 times a day? This forum is shit compared to what it used to be. Nothing but 15 yr old here and dumb trolls. I post mainly in the NFL Forum where all the knowledgable guys are.
Check my IP dick if you sre so insecure. I dont need multiple accts. I have one team to follow. I know basketball unlike you.



And stop. Just stop right there. Eric Gordon is not a god damn franchise player. You sound reasonable one minute and the next minute the homer glasses come right back on. Gordon is a complimebtary piece. He is not a franchise guy. Why you think the Bulls let their Gordon go?


And if you need an example of a youbg team who failed to live to expectations. Look at this year Tamba Bay Buccaneers. Young guys galore. Played good last year and this year. FLAT on their face.

Eric Gordon is a legit franchise cornerstone. Not a 1st option full blown franchise player. In our case we have two franchise players... because at times Eric Gordon>Blake Griffin. BTW you're right. You don't need to support your claims. You can just say a bunch of unsubstantiated bullsh** because most of the sheep trolls here will follow.

I can tell you Dirk is a bad scorer. Won't make it true. People with true basketball knowledge respect each other here. I respect all of the posters who I've named in this thread that are fans of other teams but also watch my team enough to where they aren't talking out of their as*es about it.

I may not be an expert on other teams as much as a fan of that team... but I watch every team enough to usually know what's going on to where I don't make up a bunch of random things and passionately defend them like I know more than the fans of that specific team. It's just not logical.

I'm not going to argue with legit, logical Mavs fans about the value of Dirk to their team etc.. if they watch 70+ Mavs games a year. I watched 81 Clippers games last year+ triple that, maybe more of other teams. There are very few if any non Clippers fans as qualified to talk about the team as I am. The ones that do follow the Clippers usually agree with me because it's common knowledge. IE Blake Griffin doesn't only dunk. They agree despite all the trolls claiming that... because they actually watch the games.

[RRR3]

Eric Gordon is a legit franchise cornerstone. Not a 1st option full blown franchise player. In our case we have two franchise players... because at times Eric Gordon>Blake Griffin. BTW you're right. You don't need to support your claims. You can just say a bunch of unsubstantiated bullsh** because most of the sheep trolls here will follow.

I can tell you Dirk is a bad scorer. Won't make it true. People with true basketball knowledge respect each other here. I respect all of the posters who I've named in this thread that are fans of other teams but also watch my team enough to where they aren't talking out of their as*es about it.

I may not be an expert on other teams as much as a fan of that team... but I watch every team enough to usually know what's going on to where I don't make up a bunch of random things and passionately defend them like I know more than the fans of that specific team. It's just not logical.

I'm not going to argue with legit, logical Mavs fans about the value of Dirk to their team etc.. if they watch 70+ Mavs games a year. I watched 81 Clippers games last year+ triple that, maybe more of other teams. There are very few if any non Clippers fans as qualified to talk about the team as I am. The ones that do follow the Clippers usually agree with me because it's common knowledge. IE Blake Griffin doesn't only dunk. They agree despite all the trolls claiming that... because they actually watch the games.
I've never heard EJ referred to as a "francise cornerstone" before. Just sayin'.

[colorz]

I've never heard EJ referred to as a "francise cornerstone" before. Just sayin'.

People with comments like this obviously don't watch the Clippers play often. Eric Gordon>Blake Griffin in some games.

[Kevin_Gamble]

People with comments like this obviously don't watch the Clippers play often. Eric Gordon>Blake Griffin in some games.

Eric Gordon is just not that good. If he was a true "franchise cornerstone," then the Clippers would have sucked less than they sucked for the last 3 years they had him.

I'm looking forward to seeing how or if the Clippers will challenge for the playoffs, but I'm not convinced that Eric Gordon is a top five SG or that Deandre Jordan is anything but below average.

[Fiasco]

It's amazing how one's team success is so frequently used to define his individual worth.

I can understand why someone might not see Eric Gordon as a franchise cornerstone, but saying he isn't a Top-5 SG is pure ignorance.

[Kevin_Gamble]

It's amazing how one's team success is so frequently used to define his individual worth.

I can understand why someone might not see Eric Gordon as a franchise cornerstone, but saying he isn't a Top-5 SG is pure ignorance.

It's not just EJ. People also talk up other Clippers players to ungodly heights. DeAndre Jordan is supposed to be a top 5 C, apparently a better defender than KG, and Griffin is supposed to be the best PF in the league.

So why does a team with a top 5 C, top 5 SG, and the best PF lose so many games?

[Clippersfan86]

It's not just EJ. People also talk up other Clippers players to ungodly heights. DeAndre Jordan is supposed to be a top 5 C, apparently a better defender than KG, and Griffin is supposed to be the best PF in the league.

So why does a team with a top 5 C, top 5 SG, and the best PF lose so many games?

Wow. Who said he was a better defender than KG? I said KG is a superior defender, DJ is better at defending the rim retard. LEARN TO READ. Also nobody said he was ever a top 5 center or that Griffin is the best PF in the league here. Again it's haters completely making sh** up. Either claiming Clippers fans said something they didn't or just fabricating sh** outright.

[colorz]

Eric Gordon is just not that good. If he was a true "franchise cornerstone," then the Clippers would have sucked less than they sucked for the last 3 years they had him.

I'm looking forward to seeing how or if the Clippers will challenge for the playoffs, but I'm not convinced that Eric Gordon is a top five SG or that Deandre Jordan is anything but below average.

I feel like last year, injuries really held him back. Before his wrist injury, he was averaging over 23 or 24 PPG(IIRC) while also being one of the best, if not the best defender on the team. I also feel like Baron Davis held him back these past couple of years, as Baron was very ball dominant. He and Baron just had zero chemistry together. I feel like this upcoming year EJ will breakout and really solidify himself as a top 5 shooting guard.

As for DJ, he's very raw but has so much potential. He picks up some really stupid fouls during games and has some bonehead plays, but all of that will improve with some experience. At a time with a very weak center position, a guy like DJ is a must have. His ability to grab rebounds and putbacks is very important compared to a guy like Kaman, who needs the ball to be effective. Kaman and Blake did not work but the Clippers really seemed to improve with
Kaman's injury and DJ's insertion into the starting 5.

[vinsanity2756]

clippers have some good players. i'm thinking they got a small shot of making the playoffs, maybe nr 8 spot. I'm hoping blake griffin will have an even bigger season.

[305Baller]

Blake Griffin, Mo Williams guarantee playoffs for Clippers

http://troll.me/images/xzibit-yo-dawg/im-not-mad-im-over-here-laughing.jpg

[Kevin_Gamble]

Wow. Who said he was a better defender than KG? I said KG is a superior defender, DJ is better at defending the rim retard. LEARN TO READ. Also nobody said he was ever a top 5 center or that Griffin is the best PF in the league here. Again it's haters completely making sh** up. Either claiming Clippers fans said something they didn't or just fabricating sh** outright.

Not hating, man. I'm excited for the season and Clippers story will be one of the most interesting storylines of the year. They remind me a little bit of the early Hornets with their make-up.

That said, it's kind of funny to see Mo Williams making guarantees.

[Clippersfan86]

Not hating, man. I'm excited for the season and Clippers story will be one of the most interesting storylines of the year. They remind me a little bit of the early Hornets with their make-up.

That said, it's kind of funny to see Mo Williams making guarantees.

If you're not hating why are you saying Clippers fans here said things they didn't. :confusedshrug: . Not a single one of us called BG the best PF, DJ a better defender than KG or anything like that. People act like predicting the Clippers to grab an 8 seed in the playoffs is like predicting a championship or something. Even if Clippers make playoffs it's not some huge accomplishment.

With the talent they have they SHOULD be in the playoffs.

[BGriffin's Dad]

Not hating, man. I'm excited for the season and Clippers story will be one of the most interesting storylines of the year. They remind me a little bit of the early Hornets with their make-up.

That said, it's kind of funny to see Mo Williams making guarantees.

no actual response to cf86 then?

you said clipper fans claimed "DeAndre Jordan is a top 5 C, a better defender than KG, and Griffin is the best PF in the league."

let's see some quotes.

[disel]

They could.

[NugzFan]

Figure we need balance for the couple jealous anti Clippers threads on the board.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-clippers-20111203,0,2860356.story

classic. :oldlol: god knows how many anti clip fans would be needed to balance the homer-clip threads that clutter this site.

[NugzFan]

Jeez clipperfan is starting to reach that obsessed fan level. On that Joyner, pauk, heat007 level where anything critical said of his team will get him yo fight it.

hes way past that.



You are just starting to get delusional and unfortunately you have turned these posters against your team because you felt the need to post EVERYTHING that had the clips in any kind of positive light. You shoved it down peoples throats. You are ESPN and the clips are your Tebow.

:cheers: well said.

[NugzFan]

I'm being trolled by notoriously bad posters on ISH telling me my posts are bad :oldlol: . Never did I think I'd see this. Clippers talk brings out the crazy side of people. Nobody minds Heat, Lakers threads dominating the board every day but a few Clippers ones throw everybody out of wack. :banana:

you are so delusional...a 'few'?

heres a hint: its not the clippers that are throwing people "out of wack"

[NugzFan]

You're right I am being a bit sensitive. Mainly because the Clippers are the one team I have to say that maybe about 10 posters on ISH know about. I feel like everybody here pretty much has an opinion about the Clippers but talks about something they don't know. When I call these same guys out.. they don't know a damn thing about the team.

All I ask is.... if you're going to write paragraphs about my team PLEASE be prepared to back it up with facts and viewing experience. Looking at season standings and stats to argue= very bad.

stats dont lie? :confusedshrug:

[Lebron23]

Clippers fans = Blazers fans Circa 2008-2010

[NugzFan]

I've never heard EJ referred to as a "francise cornerstone" before. Just sayin'.

pretty sure its never been said before

[Clippersfan86]

stats dont lie? :confusedshrug:

You realize I didn't say that, another poster did? Not to mention I'm a believer of viewing experience+stats to corroborate. Not one or the other alone. You guys should really watch 10+ Clippers games next year. Most exciting team in the league anyways so you won't be bored. I promise many of your opinions will change.

[Fiasco]

Clippers fans = Blazers fans Circa 2008-2010

I'd try to make a Heat fan reference but I don't remember there being any until last year.

[Go Getter]

Figure we need balance for the couple jealous anti Clippers threads on the board.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-clippers-20111203,0,2860356.story

Who in the world is jealous of your crappy franchise man?:oldlol:

[NugzFan]

You realize I didn't say that, another poster did?

no, i totally knew that...but you did agree with him


Not to mention I'm a believer of viewing experience+stats to corroborate. Not one or the other alone. You guys should really watch 10+ Clippers games next year. Most exciting team in the league anyways so you won't be bored. I promise many of your opinions will change.

i have seen tons of clipper games (most on tv and some in person)...i live in laker country.

[Clippersfan86]

no, i totally knew that...but you did agree with him



i have seen tons of clipper games (most on tv and some in person)...i live in laker country.

I'll tell you right now. You did NOT watch the Clippers last season with the junk you're talking dude. Maybe you watched them in previous years and went to games.. but not last year.

[Clippersfan86]

I'd try to make a Heat fan reference but I don't remember there being any until last year.

:roll:

[NugzFan]

I'll tell you right now. You did NOT watch the Clippers last season with the junk you're talking dude. Maybe you watched them in previous years and went to games.. but not last year.

hah...more "facts" (ie, what you want to be the truth...same shit as always)

[Clippersfan86]

hah...more "facts" (ie, what you want to be the truth...same shit as always)

Okay. Tell me what you observed about the team. Strengths, weaknesses... opinions of specific players. What we should address this offseason. What assets we have etc. Pretty sure you'll cop out of this one.

[NugzFan]

Okay. Tell me what you observed about the team. Strengths, weaknesses... opinions of specific players. What we should address this offseason. What assets we have etc. Pretty sure you'll cop out of this one.

sign everyone...cp3, dwight, iggy and prince. i think ak47 too. then post a banana. dancing bananas only. no boring ones.

its funny that you think i care about the clippers team...they are the same as the other 29 teams to me. heat, bucks, pistons, suns, whoever...

[Clippersfan86]

sign everyone...cp3, dwight, iggy and prince. i think ak47 too. then post a banana. dancing bananas only. no boring ones.

its funny that you think i care about the clippers team...they are the same as the other 29 teams to me. heat, bucks, pistons, suns, whoever...

Exactly. Cop out as a predicted. Until you prove otherwise... I'll just consider you a douche troll who's going to continue jumping on my nuts every chance you get.

[NugzFan]

Exactly. Cop out as a predicted. Until you prove otherwise... I'll just consider you a douche troll who's going to continue jumping on my nuts every chance you get.



http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/10/7/128679100565790900.jpg

[brantonli]

To be honest I would love for the Rockets to be worse than the Clippers, I want us to tank this season and clear cap space for 2012.

But people going on about talent and saying 'hey the clippers PF, C and SG >>>>other teams, so automatically the Clipper>those teams'. The rockets went on a 22 game winning streak where basically the only good player was McGrady (Yao went down after the first 10 wins). Chemistry is just as important as talent, oh and defense as well. And we don't really know about these qualities until after the season has started.

Since the Houston coach has stated the goal is to get to the playoffs, I believe in the last 10 games of the season there will be a scramble between Suns, Warriors, Clippers, maybe Nuggets, Rockets, maybe Grizzlies if they stay in this area (unlikely) all fighting for 6-8th seed.

[bdreason]

Nothing is guaranteed in the Western Conference. Especially in a 66 game season. Only a moron would make that statement.

[Dave3]

Talent doesnt make the playoffs, organisations do. Teams do. Which was my point. There are 8 or 9 better organisations that I think are more playoff ready than the current clippers.
Talent most certainly does make the playoffs. The factors the organization plays on a team is the limiting of talent. If the talent is already there, what does the reluctance of a GM to spend money have to do with anything? It won't play a factor on what the guys do on the court this season, until the GM does something to change the crop of talent on the team by either trading it away or failing to resign players.

As for now though, talent is what translates to wins on the basketball court.

[alenleomessi]

top 6 in west
book it

[RRR3]

I'd try to make a Heat fan reference but I don't remember there being any until last year.
Holy shit:roll: :roll: