ESPN: Lakers looking to trade for BOTH CP3 & Dwight Howard

[yobore]

you mean he was clearly injured lol @ declined....cp3 is probably better than ever now that hes 100 percent...please watch his games religiously before you come to conclusions

Even if he's not back to 100%, with an offseason's improvement he can still go into a second prime. The injury and knee brace forced him to play from the perimeter more and he learned a lot of new tricks to set up teammates without getting in the lane all the time. People don't realize that CP may have been the least athletic PG in the NBA for most of the season last year, but still played at an elite level. He got them to the playoffs just by QBing, without beating people off the dribble.

[All Net]

If anyone thinks that Gasol for CP3 is an option for NO they are clowns.
Bynum is who they want....

[lilgodfather1]

If anyone thinks Gasol for Howard is a possibility they are a bigger clown.

[Nets fan 93]

Bynum is who they want....
Then who are you playing for the better Dwight Howard? Pau? It keeps Orlando a playoff team but Pau is not getting any younger... why would Orlando do that? plus LA doesn't have picks... do they?

[All Net]

Then who are you playing for the better Dwight Howard? Pau? It keeps Orlando a playoff team but Pau is not getting any younger... why would Orlando do that?
Dwight is the main focus so Bynum wont be traded there but doesn't mean the hornets don't still want him.

[Nets fan 93]

Dwight is the main focus so Bynum wont be traded there but doesn't mean the hornets don't still want him.
If LA gets Dwight... wouldnt CP3 play with Amare and Anthony? Who else would the Lakers have to REALISTICALLY trade for Paul?

[JohnnyWall]

If LA gets Dwight... wouldnt CP3 play with Amare and Anthony? Who else would the Lakers have to REALISTICALLY trade for Paul?

If LA gets Dwight, which would be more appealing to CP3 signing an extension?

Melo and Amar'e on the Knicks
Kobe and Dwight on the Lakers


I'd choose the Lakers in that scenario, as they'd give me the best chance to win a ring in the immediate future.

[Nets fan 93]

If LA gets Dwight, which would be more appealing to CP3 signing an extension?

Melo and Amar'e on the Knicks
Kobe and Dwight on the Lakers


There are other factors.
1. He is friends with the duo in NY.
2. He is a ball dominant gaurd just like Kobe.. so.. it's something he will definitely think about.

Other than that it is pretty close.

[abuC]

If LA gets Dwight, which would be more appealing to CP3 signing an extension?

Melo and Amar'e on the Knicks
Kobe and Dwight on the Lakers


I'd choose the Lakers in that scenario, as they'd give me the best chance to win a ring in the immediate future.


Melo and Amare, since both are still in their 20s.

[lilgodfather1]

I can't believe that this made it to 18 pages. There is no way this happens. Orlando or NO would likely just let the players expire rather than take back Pau.

[HurricaneKid]

If LA gets Dwight, which would be more appealing to CP3 signing an extension?

Melo and Amar'e on the Knicks
Kobe and Dwight on the Lakers


I'd choose the Lakers in that scenario, as they'd give me the best chance to win a ring in the immediate future.

LOL.

CP3 can't sign with the Lakers. They are already 35M over the cap.

In fact, the only way either of them are going to LA is through a trade. And there is not enough assets to make those trades.

I know this thread is mostly Laker fans drooling on themselves at the thought, and I don't blame you, this is an impossibility.

First off, you overvaluate Bynum. By a factor of 10. Several years ago he was the most promising big behind Howard. But that was YEARS AGO. Now he is a chronically injured player who has injuries that just don't heal. Your knees don't get better as you age. You can replace ligaments, etc. But the chronic tendenitis and loss of cartilage can't be replaced. If he were a free agent do you think he would get 15M+? NO WAY. Yet you are asking for arguably the best player in the world for a bad contract masquerading as a young talent. There just isn't value there with his current deal.

These are rough approx for minutes played over the last 5 years:
LBJ: 16800
Bynum: 7200

The second problem is that the Hornets are owned by the NBA. Do you think there is any way after the last three months they allow one of the two best PGs in the league to go to LA for considerably lesser value? How about if the Lakers acquire Howard. Do you think Stern would trade CP3 to a team with Kobe and Howard?? I mean Gasol is a stud but how many years does he have left at an elite level? You could argue last year was a big step backwards for him and that he is already sliding.

Lastly, if the Lakers are able to land even one of these guys do you think their draft picks are worth anything? I mean ~1/3 to 1/2 the picks at very end of the 1st rd stay in the NBA through their first deal. There is no value there at all.

[lakerspng]

Got to be honest, I love Howard on the Lakers but not sure about Chris Paul. I think Deron Williams would be a better fit.

I don't like the idea of giving up Gasol either, just because if the Lakers were able to land Howard, he and Gasol's games would really compliment each other up front. Howard's inside presence along with Gasol's skill and ability to play anywhere on the court from inside 20 feet, along with his tremendous passing ability from the high or low post, would be awesome to watch. It wouldn't matter if Pau was soft with Howard inside for muscle.

[AMISTILLILL]

LOL.

CP3 can't sign with the Lakers. They are already 35M over the cap.

In fact, the only way either of them are going to LA is through a trade. And there is not enough assets to make those trades.

I know this thread is mostly Laker fans drooling on themselves at the thought, and I don't blame you, this is an impossibility.

First off, you overvaluate Bynum. By a factor of 10. Several years ago he was the most promising big behind Howard. But that was YEARS AGO. Now he is a chronically injured player who has injuries that just don't heal. Your knees don't get better as you age. You can replace ligaments, etc. But the chronic tendenitis and loss of cartilage can't be replaced. If he were a free agent do you think he would get 15M+? NO WAY. Yet you are asking for arguably the best player in the world for a bad contract masquerading as a young talent. There just isn't value there with his current deal.

These are rough approx for minutes played over the last 5 years:
LBJ: 16800
Bynum: 7200

The second problem is that the Hornets are owned by the NBA. Do you think there is any way after the last three months they allow one of the two best PGs in the league to go to LA for considerably lesser value? How about if the Lakers acquire Howard. Do you think Stern would trade CP3 to a team with Kobe and Howard?? I mean Gasol is a stud but how many years does he have left at an elite level? You could argue last year was a big step backwards for him and that he is already sliding.

Lastly, if the Lakers are able to land even one of these guys do you think their draft picks are worth anything? I mean ~1/3 to 1/2 the picks at very end of the 1st rd stay in the NBA through their first deal. There is no value there at all.

To be honest, I guarantee someone would sign Bynum for $15+ million as a free agent.

[YAWN]

I can't believe that this made it to 18 pages. There is no way this happens. Orlando or NO would likely just let the players expire rather than take back Pau.

they both want Bynum.

[lilgodfather1]

they both want Bynum.
What's your point? Bynum is an injry prone overpaid stiff. There are dozens of teams that could make better offers.

[mountainmamba]

What's your point? Bynum is an injry prone overpaid stiff. There are dozens of teams that could make better offers.


For the love of all that is good in this world--

how many times does this have to be ran around in circles

Yes, obviously any team could put together a great deal but most if not all teams will pass if Dwight isnt willing to sign an extension there.

The Magic have to realize the teams that Dwight would extend with or maybe teams willing to rent him for a year. Then from those teams look at the best offer. As of now the list of teams dwight will reportedly extend with is quite small so therefore the lakers have the best to offer from that short list (allegedly)

This is the situation as it stands. read whats been written. Stop ignoring this.

[YAWN]

What's your point? Bynum is an injry prone overpaid stiff. There are dozens of teams that could make better offers.
Of the teams that Dwight Howard OR Chris Paul would sign an extension with, Bynum is as good of an offer that Orlando can realistically get.

[lakers_forever]

Hornets and Magic giving the lakers a superstar guard and a superstar center?

I've seen that before...

http://www.hiphoparchive.org/files/Kobe_Hornets300.jpg

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/en_fuego/files/2010/08/shaq_magic_orlando.jpg


lol I don't think it's possible to land them both. But Howard is likely to get traded to us IMO. And that would be enough to fight for the title again.

[bih]

Dwight why u copy Shaq



Chris trade would be impossible there would be nobody to offer if they get Dwight.


So what could Lakers dump to Orlando?

Bynum and Lamar for Dwight?

[lilgodfather1]

Honestly THE Clippers are going to get one of these guys and NY is getting the other.

[YAWN]

Honestly THE Clippers are going to get one of these guys and NY is getting the other.

I think the Clippers have a good shot at Paul. Would fit in nicely there as well.

Don't see why Dwight would go to Knicks over Lakers though. Or why Orlando would send him there, what is their offer looking like?

[lilgodfather1]

I think the Clippers have a good shot at Paul. Would fit in nicely there as well.

Don't see why Dwight would go to Knicks over Lakers though. Or why Orlando would send him there, what is their offer looking like?

I think it would be Paul going to NYK personally, but that is just because he apparently wants to play with his boys. Dwight going to LAC would be unreal from a FC standpoint, and Orlando would be getting a C back.

As for NYK I have no idea what they are looking like, and it's 2am so I can't look into it atm. I would imagine something including Fields, Turiaf, Billups, picks (if they have any) and taking the contract of either Okafor or Ariza back.

[All Net]

Orlando aren't stupid they aren't keeping Dwight in the east. They will trade him out west.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

I think it would be Paul going to NYK personally, but that is just because he apparently wants to play with his boys. Dwight going to LAC would be unreal from a FC standpoint, and Orlando would be getting a C back.

As for NYK I have no idea what they are looking like, and it's 2am so I can't look into it atm. I would imagine something including Fields, Turiaf, Billups, picks (if they have any) and taking the contract of either Okafor or Ariza back.

Paul is going to go where he can sign extension no matter if its the warriors....

at the end of day for these professional its all about money

[christian1923]

Paul is going to go where he can sign extension no matter if its the warriors....

at the end of day for these professional its all about money

Lately its been about teaming up with your friends lol

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Lately its been about teaming up with your friends lol

but not leaving more than 10mil on the table

[guy]

Well ESPN would actually consider him the 3rd best. But I agree. CP3's one of my favorite players, but he's gotten somewhat overrated since that series. I've been hearing debates about who should a team go after between Howard and CP3. I don't think its a debate. This isn't 2008 and 2009 CP3 anymore. He's clearly declined. Its like people completely forget the time between 2009 and the 2011 1st round series.

you mean he was clearly injured lol @ declined....cp3 is probably better than ever now that hes 100 percent...please watch his games religiously before you come to conclusions

Right. He declined cause of his injuries, which will probably never go away. He has knee issues. Its not like its a bruised elbow or something. He went from 23 ppg/6 rpg/11 apg/3 spg on 50% in his last fully healthy season in 09 to 16 ppg/4 rpg/10 apg/2 spg on 46% last year in 11. An overall great decline in numbers despite the fact that his team didn't really get much better and he was still relied upon alot. How often do players ever go through that much of a statistical decline and then fully recover from injuries and then go back to their previous numbers? Its almost never. CP3 is still great, a clear top 10 player IMO, but he's definitely not what he used to be.

[bluechox2]

Lately its been about teaming up with your friends lol

i remember in the 90s, it was about getting your own team to lead, glory for yourself

[thatoneblackguy]

No matter how badly Paul wants to join forces with Carmelo Anthony and Amar'e Stoudemire, it seems clear that he realizes he can't get to New York via trade this season. As a result, his new favorite destination, I'm told, is the Lakers.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/sam_amick/12/07/chris.paul/index.html












http://upshizzle.com/pfiles/9094/edge.gif

[Thechosen1]

[QUOTE=Thechosen1]

Right. He declined cause of his injuries, which will probably never go away. He has knee issues. Its not like its a bruised elbow or something. He went from 23 ppg/6 rpg/11 apg/3 spg on 50% in his last fully healthy season in 09 to 16 ppg/4 rpg/10 apg/2 spg on 46% last year in 11. An overall great decline in numbers despite the fact that his team didn't really get much better and he was still relied upon alot. How often do players ever go through that much of a statistical decline and then fully recover from injuries and then go back to their previous numbers? Its almost never. CP3 is still great, a clear top 10 player IMO, but he's definitely not what he used to be.

Your argument makes no sense for two reasons...One: because he wasn't 100 percent, he was obviously NOT going to put the same numbers up as he was used to putting up. Also he played less games which means less opportunities for him to actually increase his stats if he wanted to. There are two many uncertain situations to completely say he has regressed as a player.

Two: Chris Paul before the season started last year stated that he needed one more full year before his knees were fully restored....this is from his mouth. Meaning he knows his body more than we do...I dont think he believes hes gonna "fall off" as competitive as the guy is, if he was truly worse than before, he probably wouldn't sugarcoat it.

If you watch Chris Paul play EVERY GAME like I do....you can understand where Im coming from...if you occasionally watch chris paul, you will only go by numbers....because no one can sit here after watching him tear up LA last year and say if hes rested and ready to go in 2012 he wouldnt be better than ever. Eyes dont lie.

[KenneBell]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/sam_amick/12/07/chris.paul/index.html












http://upshizzle.com/pfiles/9094/edge.gif
http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/happyandmad.gif

DO IT MITCH!

[thatoneblackguy]

Paul won't give extension commitment to Warriors, Clippers

Chris Paul will not commit to signing a contract extension after this season with either the Golden State Warriors or Los Angeles Clippers if he is traded to either team by the New Orleans Hornets, citing the potential financial hit if he were to do that rather than becoming a free agent and signing a new deal with a new team next summer, according to league sources. That has left potential deals with both teams in limbo.

It was not known Wednesday if Paul had similar reluctance to sign an extension after this season with the Lakers, who are also involved in trade talks with the Hornets for Paul.

Paul is essentially making the same decision that Nets guard Deron Williams made last week in deciding not to sign an extension with New Jersey and becoming a free agent next summer. But while Williams could still re-sign in New Jersey, very few people around the league think there's any chance Paul will stay in New Orleans after this season, which is hastening the Hornets' desire to move Paul before the start of the season. Training camps are scheduled to open Friday, after the National Basketball Players Association and the NBA's Board of Governors each complete ratification votes on the new CBA Thursday.

Paul is getting paid $16.359 million this season, and has a player option for next season at $17.779 million. If he were to agree to an extension on the existing contract, he would play for the $17.779 million next season, and then be eligible for a two-year extension in 2013 for $19.112 million and $20.446 million, for a total package of $74 million through the 2014-15 season. If, however, he opts out and becomes a free agent, he'd be able to sign a five-year deal with his incumbent team worth $102 million.

Both teams understand Paul's position, but don't feel comfortable moving forward with no assurances he would stay with them after this season.

The Clippers, for example, are very reluctant to include the unprotected first-round pick from Minnesota they currently own in any deal with New Orleans -- which is understandably holding out for the maximum amount possible in exchange for its franchise player -- under the current scenario. A source indicated Wednesday it would be up to the Hornets to lower their demands for Paul to make the deal happen. New Orleans wants a combination of young players and Draft picks for Paul. But the Clippers' package still does not include guard Eric Gordon, the player the Hornets are believed to covet most off of L.A.'s roster.

Another source indicated Wednesday night that New Orleans wasn't interested in the Clippers' second-year forward, Al-Farouq Aminu, as part of the package, either. Aminu would be more expendible if the Clippers sign Mavericks free agent small forward Caron Butler, who visited them Monday night, or Detroit's Tayshaun Prince. Butler was in New Jersey Wednesday night visiting with the Nets, after very positive meetings earlier in the week with the Bulls and Spurs.

The Warriors have indicated they will not put their young star guard, Stephen Curry, in a trade package, though league sources are divided as to whether that's a permanent decision or one just based on Paul's current stance.

Paul has only reportedly told the Knicks -- who most believe don't have enough assets to make an acceptable offer to New Orleans -- that he is willing to sign an extension after this season. While there are some teams around the league that would be willing to take the gamble that they were only renting Paul's services for a year, the Clippers and Warriors are not among them.


http://www.nba.com/2011/news/12/07/chris-paul-extension/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt2

[blacknapalm]

^...and on the other hand, warriors won't part with curry and clips won't part with gordon. seems like both those teams are being pulled off the table. that leaves boston and lakers. for all those saying he won't be traded to LA....gasol/bynum + picks + cash sounds worse to you than just rondo? granted, rondo comes at a nice value but it'd be difficult for them to make the playoffs. would cp3 sign an extension with either of those teams? probably not since he can get more money by opting out. do either of those teams feel confident they can keep him regardless?

[talkingconch]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/sam_amick/12/07/chris.paul/index.html












http://upshizzle.com/pfiles/9094/edge.gif


http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb158/luisguti/Booker-T%20gifs/bookertonteria.gif

[SacJB Shady]

If the Lakers got Paul and Howard, it would look kind of desperate. I mean Kobe has won with Shaq, then Gasol, and now it looks like he just wants 2 superstars so he can pass Jordan. But the problem is, that if they won with Howard and Paul, Kobe might not even be the mvp on that team.

[All Net]

All reports suggest CP is only willing to sign extension with lakers....

[flipogb]

All reports suggest CP is only willing to sign extension with lakers....
and of course the Knicks, but they have no trade assets

[YAWN]

All reports suggest CP is only willing to sign extension with lakers....

hmm, hope Howard is trade priority #1 for the Lakers.

[lilgodfather1]

That's a lie...

[32Dayz]

Anyone else think.

Dwight
Pau
Kobe

is better then

Dwight
Kobe
CP3

???

[MichaelCheazley]

hmm, hope Howard is trade priority #1 for the Lakers.
IF the Lakers give up bynum and get cp3 but not howard. Thats fine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG8BY80BxPA&feature=player_detailpage#t=30s

[dunksby]

Anyone else think.

Dwight
Pau
Kobe

is better then

Dwight
Kobe
CP3

???
I think Dwight+Kobe+CP3 is better than Dwight+Kobe+Fisher.

[DRose1899]

Anyone else think.

Dwight
Pau
Kobe

is better then

Dwight
Kobe
CP3

???
me me me.

Bynum and Pau combination is already sexual enough to see
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-0fdL-AYv0

just imagine with Dwight this time.

[YAWN]

IF the Lakers give up bynum and get cp3 but not howard. Thats fine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG8BY80BxPA&feature=player_detailpage#t=30s

Id rather have the length advantage with Dwight & Pau. All we need from a PG is someone that is quick enough to chase around and defend all these all-star point guards.

[MichaelCheazley]

Id rather have the length advantage with Dwight & Pau. All we need from a PG is someone that is quick enough to chase around and defend all these all-star point guards.
Exactly why as a Heat fan. I could care less if u get cp3.
1. His knees are shot
2. Makes your front court much softer
3. Takes ball away from kobe

And if cp3 were to break down who can you guys trade? Pau kobe odom will be old. So yea. Dwight on the other hand me no gusta. Please go elsewhere.

[JohnnyWall]

Id rather have the length advantage with Dwight & Pau. All we need from a PG is someone that is quick enough to chase around and defend all these all-star point guards.

Yeah, I'd say Dwight gives them more value especially if they lose Bynum and Odom. Honestly, any PG upgrade from Fisher would be useful for a Laker team with Dwight, Gasol and Kobe.

[El Kabong]

I'm also looking to add CP3 and Dwight Howard to my team. My trade assets are a bag of skittles, $4 in loose change and a $20 coupon to the Sizzler. I think that's enough to outbid the Knicks, but I might have to look under the couch for some more spare change if I want to outbid the Lakers.

[talkingconch]

Where will Dwight Howard be playing a year from now?


J.A. Adande, ESPN.com: With the Lakers, taking his place in the franchise's storied succession of big men. The Lakers can send two quality big men to Orlando, and they can afford to take back Hedo Turkoglu's contract.

Kevin Arnovitz, ESPN.com: 1111 S. Figueroa Street.

Dave McMenamin, ESPNLosAngeles.com: With the Nets. As long as Mikhail Prokhorov can keep Deron Williams in the fold, it's the perfect place for Phase 2 of Howard's career. He would have a top-15 teammate to contend with the concentrated talent pools in Miami, Oklahoma City, Chicago and Los Angeles. He would have the New York media in his lap, feeding his love of the spotlight. He would have an owner who has made it clear that he'll do whatever it takes to win. And, did I mention, he'll have the New York media lapping up the Amare/Melo versus Dwight/Deron in a bid for city basketball dominance storyline? Plus he won't have the whole "Shaq copycat" monkey on his back, and he'll be able to make a boatload of endorsement cash playing in a major market to offset the $25 million or so in salary he will be leaving on the table by departing from Orlando. It's a perfect fit.

Brian Windhorst, ESPN.com: The odds-on favorite is the Lakers. They have enough to make a deal with Orlando and can afford to wait until the process unfolds. Eventually, Howard might just try to force his way there anyway.

Royce Young, Daily Thunder: Los Angeles. It seems like a foregone conclusion that Howard will join Kobe at Staples playing in the forum blue and gold. It all seems like we're just sort of wasting time and effort before that happens. The Nets will make a run, for sure, but the Lakers are about to have to turn over the franchise with a new batch of players, and you know they aren't going to be empty-handed. They'll get someone, and Howard will be the prize.

--

[thejumpa]

http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Lakers-Not-Offering-Enough-for-Dwight-Howard.jpg

Been telling my LA buddies this for the longest. Dwight will not be traded to the Lakers anytime soon.

[talkingconch]

http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Lakers-Not-Offering-Enough-for-Dwight-Howard.jpg

Been telling my LA buddies this for the longest. Dwight will not be traded to the Lakers anytime soon.

Doesn't this make it better for the Lakers then?

[El Kabong]

http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Lakers-Not-Offering-Enough-for-Dwight-Howard.jpg

Been telling my LA buddies this for the longest. Dwight will not be traded to the Lakers anytime soon.
Almost sounds like the Lakers best offer was Odom and MWP for him.

[icewill36]

Doesn't this make it better for the Lakers then?

i guess, but they would still need to clear cap space to sign him right ? amnesty gasol ?

[MMM]

Doesn't this make it better for the Lakers then?

Nope the lakers don't have the cap room to sign Howard unless howard is willing to take a massive pay cut

[Lebron23]

http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Lakers-Not-Offering-Enough-for-Dwight-Howard.jpg

Been telling my LA buddies this for the longest. Dwight will not be traded to the Lakers anytime soon.


That's one ballsy GM.

[Lebron23]

Almost sounds like the Lakers best offer was Odom and MWP for him.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

Even the Utah Jazz have lots of trade assets compared to the LA Lakers. They actually have enough young talents that might get the attention of the Magic and Hornets front offices.

Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap for Dwight Howard
Devin Harris, Draft rights of Enes Kanter (3rd overall pick), Mehmet Okur's expiring contract for CP3.

C- Dwight Howard
F- Derrick Favors
SF- Gordon Hayward/Jeremy Evans
SG- CJ Miles (FA)/Alec Burks/Raja Bell
PG- Chris Paul

It sucks that both of these players wants to play on a big market team. Dwight Howard and CP3 + a younger supporting casts>>> Boozer and Deron.

[brownmamba00]

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

Even the Utah Jazz have lots of trade assets compared to the LA Lakers. They actually have enough young talents that might get the attention of the Magic and Hornets front offices.

Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap for Dwight Howard
Devin Harris, Draft rights of Enes Kanter (3rd overall pick), Mehmet Okur's expiring contract for CP3.

C- Dwight Howard
F- Derrick Favors
SF- Gordon Hayward/Jeremy Evans
SG- CJ Miles (FA)/Alec Burks/Raja Bell
PG- Chris Paul

It sucks that both of these players wants to play on a big market team. Dwight Howard and CP3 + a younger supporting casts>>> Boozer and Deron.

Are you stupid or just acting stupid?

CP3 & DHO aren't going to sign an extension with the Jazz or some other shit team.

The only teams who have a shot @ these two are the Lakers & the Knicks.
And I can see Boston&Prokhorov gambling but that's it. And the Clippers are just delusional.

[B-Easy8]

Im assuming Bynum was offered to the Magic for Howard. How is Bynum plus some old trash worse than letting him walk for nothing?

Look at the Cavs now. Im sure they would have rather taken a good young player than let LeBron leave for nothing.

[Nick Young]

LOL NBA GMs also said Grizzlies wouldnt trade Pau for a scrub like Kwame Brown and another scrub named Javaris Shitterton, but Kupchak backhanded the league and made it happen, looks like he's going to do it again

[niko]

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

Even the Utah Jazz have lots of trade assets compared to the LA Lakers. They actually have enough young talents that might get the attention of the Magic and Hornets front offices.

Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap for Dwight Howard
Devin Harris, Draft rights of Enes Kanter (3rd overall pick), Mehmet Okur's expiring contract for CP3.

C- Dwight Howard
F- Derrick Favors
SF- Gordon Hayward/Jeremy Evans
SG- CJ Miles (FA)/Alec Burks/Raja Bell
PG- Chris Paul

It sucks that both of these players wants to play on a big market team. Dwight Howard and CP3 + a younger supporting casts>>> Boozer and Deron.
Yeah it sucks. I'm sure if you had the choice of NY, LA and Utah you'd run to Utah. Why wouldn't they both want to go live in Salt Lake City?

[niko]

Can someone explain why the Hornets are even entertaining Bynum or Gasol? THEY NEED TO SUCK, get the first pick, have a new star by opening day next year. They need their other big contracts off the books. They do not need a bunch of marginal pieces to make themselves decent. NO ONE WANTS TO BE DECENT. You want to win a title or suck.

[DMAVS41]

http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Lakers-Not-Offering-Enough-for-Dwight-Howard.jpg

Been telling my LA buddies this for the longest. Dwight will not be traded to the Lakers anytime soon.

The Lakers could offer Bynum (young center with loads of upside) on an expiring contract. They could also throw in Odom on an expiring contract and somebody like Blake (reasonable contract for 12 million over the next 3 years)....and they would take back Howard and Hedo.

I don't see how that is a bad deal at all for the Magic. They get at least something back for Howard and get to shed Hedo's bad contract. They also get two quality players back with only 1 year left on their deals. Lets be clear....If this version of Andrew Bynum was in the upcoming draft...he'd probably be the the first pick. At worst he'd be a top 3 pick. The Magic could rent him for a year and see what he's actually capable of. If they don't like him, just let him go.

I just don't see how that is bad. Bynum is about as good as you are going to do as a player to replace Howard...and the Lakers obviously would be willing to take back Hedo's contract.

The real idiot is the GM that thinks letting Howard walk and not shedding Hedo's contract in a trade is the smart business decision. That is honestly all that matters. Howard is clearly gone....the Magic have to use that to their advantage and at least get rid of Arenas or Hedo in the process. I'm assuming nobody would take Arenas, so Hedo is the guy.

Bynum, Odom, and Blake for Howard and Hedo is a fine deal. Especially since there are so few teams Howard is likely to agree to stay with.

[DMAVS41]

Can someone explain why the Hornets are even entertaining Bynum or Gasol? THEY NEED TO SUCK, get the first pick, have a new star by opening day next year. They need their other big contracts off the books. They do not need a bunch of marginal pieces to make themselves decent. NO ONE WANTS TO BE DECENT. You want to win a title or suck.

Gasol doesn't make sense. But Bynum does. I will say it again. The current version of Bynum would go in the top 3 of the upcoming draft at worst. He'd probably be the first pick. Why not rent him for a year and see what he's got? Its not like he alone is going to make a team great anyway. He's on an expiring deal as well.

I don't think the Hornets or Magic can do much better than Bynum on an expiring contract for their superstars. Best case scenario Bynum flourishes and starts tapping into some of that potential and they keep him. Worst case scenario is that they don't want to keep him and either move him at the deadline or let him walk in the summer. Either way its better than letting your star player just walk in the summer.

The main goal of the Hornets and Magic should be to use trading Paul and Howard as a means to get rid of Okafor and Hedo. That is really the main thing. Howard and Paul are gone....it sucks, but its reality. The worst thing they can do is let them ruin their teams for a year and make the playoffs and piss off fans and not get something back or at least rid of garbage contracts.

Keeping them makes almost no sense at all unless one of the teams has the ability to drastically improve the roster this year. And I just don't think thats possible.

[niko]

Gasol doesn't make sense. But Bynum does. I will say it again. The current version of Bynum would go in the top 3 of the upcoming draft at worst. He'd probably be the first pick. Why not rent him for a year and see what he's got? Its not like he alone is going to make a team great anyway. He's on an expiring deal as well.

I don't think the Hornets or Magic can do much better than Bynum on an expiring contract for their superstars. Best case scenario Bynum flourishes and starts tapping into some of that potential and they keep him. Worst case scenario is that they don't want to keep him and either move him at the deadline or let him walk in the summer. Either way its better than letting your star player just walk in the summer.

The main goal of the Hornets and Magic should be to use trading Paul and Howard as a means to get rid of Okafor and Hedo. That is really the main thing. Howard and Paul are gone....it sucks, but its reality. The worst thing they can do is let them ruin their teams for a year and make the playoffs and piss off fans and not get something back or at least rid of garbage contracts.

Keeping them makes almost no sense at all unless one of the teams has the ability to drastically improve the roster this year. And I just don't think thats possible.
I get Bynum more for Orlando who doesn't seem to have the patience to do a true reover. But for NO, it makes more sense to get the first pick in the draft, and start with him. as opposed to Bynum, who is an iffy injury risk. Orlando can afford the risk, NO cannot. For NO, rebuilding with a young star (draft pick) and clearling out as many contracts as possible is tye play. NO needs to SUCK. This is a great draft. getting enough pieices to ensure you are not a top 1-3 type pick makes no sense at all.

NO needs to stop trying to win the trade and instead make a trade that sets them up going forward the best.

[DMAVS41]

I get Bynum more for Orlando who doesn't seem to have the patience to do a true reover. But for NO, it makes more sense to get the first pick in the draft, and start with him. as opposed to Bynum, who is an iffy injury risk. Orlando can afford the risk, NO cannot. For NO, rebuilding with a young star (draft pick) and clearling out as many contracts as possible is tye play. NO needs to SUCK. This is a great draft. getting enough pieices to ensure you are not a top 1-3 type pick makes no sense at all.

NO needs to stop trying to win the trade and instead make a trade that sets them up going forward the best.

But Paul won't go to a team for the first pick....that is the problem. No team is going to just trade the first pick for a player they aren't sure they can keep.

Paul/Howard want to go to contenders. They have all the power now because they are free agents after this year. Its the Melo situation all over again.

You keep saying NO needs to suck...I totally agree. Keeping Paul does not help them suck. They need to do 2 things:

1. Trade Paul as quickly as possible
2. Make sure they get rid of Okafor in that same deal

That is really all that matters. Trust me, if they get rid of both of those guys...they will suck.

Me personally, I would just rather take a chance on Bynum this year. I'm high on him....especially in the last year of his contract....and especially because other teams will be willing to go after him at the deadline if the Hornets want to move him.

Paul/Howard are not going to stay with crap teams. They want to play in a big market with a chance to compete for a title. That limits the Hornets options greatly for trades.

Like you said...they need to suck. Getting rid of Paul helps them do that. They won't get equal value back....hell, they shouldn't want it.

[Lebron23]

Gasol doesn't make sense. But Bynum does. I will say it again. The current version of Bynum would go in the top 3 of the upcoming draft at worst. He'd probably be the first pick. Why not rent him for a year and see what he's got? Its not like he alone is going to make a team great anyway. He's on an expiring deal as well.

I don't think the Hornets or Magic can do much better than Bynum on an expiring contract for their superstars. Best case scenario Bynum flourishes and starts tapping into some of that potential and they keep him. Worst case scenario is that they don't want to keep him and either move him at the deadline or let him walk in the summer. Either way its better than letting your star player just walk in the summer.

The main goal of the Hornets and Magic should be to use trading Paul and Howard as a means to get rid of Okafor and Hedo. That is really the main thing. Howard and Paul are gone....it sucks, but its reality. The worst thing they can do is let them ruin their teams for a year and make the playoffs and piss off fans and not get something back or at least rid of garbage contracts.

Keeping them makes almost no sense at all unless one of the teams has the ability to drastically improve the roster this year. And I just don't think thats possible.


The Orlando GM don't want to let LA acquire another dominant Center. They are probably planning to tank in the 2012 NBA Season, and draft a guy that's younger, more skilled, and less injury prone than Andrew Bynum.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=134235&page=2

[niko]

The Orlando GM don't want to let LA acquire another dominant Center. They are probably planning to tank in the 2012 NBA Season, and draft a guy that's younger, more skilled, and less injury prone than Andrew Bynum.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=134235&page=2
SO they are going to tank the season by keeping Howard and not being in lottery? Or in order to screw the Lakers who play in the WC?

Neither of that makes any sense.

[Lebron23]

SO they are going to tank the season by keeping Howard and not being in lottery? Or in order to screw the Lakers who play in the WC?

Neither of that makes any sense.

The Lakers already screwed them in the mid 1990's when they signed Free Agent Shaq in the 1996 NBA Season. Otis Smith probably thinks that tanking in the 2012-2013 NBA Season is much better than acquiring an injury prone Center, and a 32 yrs.old PF.

[niko]

The Lakers already screwed them in the mid 1990's when they signed Free Agent Shaq in the 1996 NBA Season. In the mind of Otis Smith he probably thinks that tanking in the 2012-2013 NBA Season is much better than acquiring an injury prone Center, and a 32 yrs.old PF.
You make no sense at all. You are suggesting Orlando tank by keeping all their assets, or that they should make decisions based on ****ing over the Lakers. Neither of those things make sense. I HATE the Lakers but i don't want my Knicks making decisions based on what harms them. That's asinine.

[Lebron23]

You make no sense at all. You are suggesting Orlando tank by keeping all their assets, or that they should make decisions based on ****ing over the Lakers. Neither of those things make sense. I HATE the Lakers but i don't want my Knicks making decisions based on what harms them. That's asinine.

This is what I am trying to say.

Otis Smith don't want that garbage players on their team. . By letting Dwight become a free agent next year it leaves more room (salary cap) for them to sign some quality players in the off season. Magic don't have anything left to lose

[brownmamba00]

This is what I am trying to say.

Otis Smith don't want that garbage players on their team. . By letting Dwight become a free agent next year it leaves more room (salary cap) for them to sign some quality players in the off season. Magic don't have anything left to lose
No it doesn't:facepalm

If you trade away Dwight with one of your horrible contracts. Get Bynum in return (who has 1 year left in his contract), see how he pans out. If good keep him if not get rid of him and start tanking for a #1 pick.

If you just let Dwight walk, you're left with some horrible contracts (Arenas & Turk in particular) and no one to build around.

Is that so hard to comprehend?

[D-Rose]

The only way I see this happening are if CP3 and Dwight both decline signing extensions with other teams that can offer more...and then the Lakers could perhaps has the best offer on the table. Honestly though, that's way too much power in the hands of players. I believe LA will get at least one of them, not both.

[guy]

The only way I see this happening are if CP3 and Dwight both decline signing extensions with other teams that can offer more...and then the Lakers could perhaps has the best offer on the table. Honestly though, that's way too much power in the hands of players. I believe LA will get at least one of them, not both.

Lakers' priority is Howard over CP3. Until the Magic make Howard available, which is inevitable IMO, I don't see the Lakers trading for CP3 in case they don't have the assets (Bynum or Gasol) to get Howard after that. And I really don't see the Magic settling for only one of those guys. Bynum and his potential is not that great anymore. I don't see why they wouldn't just rather let Howard walk or trade him somewhere else then settle for just Bynum. And Odom isn't that valuable anymore. If they get the chance to get an all-star and top 15 player in the league in Gasol, and the chance to shed one of their horrible contracts, thats a different story. So if that happens, they won't really have anything to offer NO for CP3.

So cross out the Lakers. The Clippers and Warriors won't do a trade that NO will accept unless CP3 signs an extension. Those franchises have not been great at all for 20-30 years so I don't see CP3 signing an extension. There's one team that has good assets and is willing to trade for him without the extension and thats the Celtics. I see CP3 getting traded there and playing there for 1-2 years and then signing with the Knicks.

[LA_Showtime]

This is what I am trying to say.

Otis Smith don't want that garbage players on their team. . By letting Dwight become a free agent next year it leaves more room (salary cap) for them to sign some quality players in the off season. Magic don't have anything left to lose

That doesn't really make any sense. For one, if you're planning on tanking you would want to lose as many games as possible. Bynum gives you a better chance of doing that. You would also want to satisfy the fan base and give them a false sense of security... "Why yes, we are trying to rebuild." Bynum gives you that. Despite what many people here think, Bynum's an extremely talented player who would be a great coup if they have to trade Dwight Howard, assuming he can stay healthy. If he gets injured, they can always release him at the end of the season. Same result.

[LA_Showtime]

The only way I see this happening are if CP3 and Dwight both decline signing extensions with other teams that can offer more...and then the Lakers could perhaps has the best offer on the table. Honestly though, that's way too much power in the hands of players. I believe LA will get at least one of them, not both.

I don't really see how we get either of them, but the Buss family has a history of pulling off these types of trades and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if one (or both) of them came our way.

At the end of last season I wanted the Lakers to keep Bynum, Gasol, and Odom together. I thought they'd come back more motivated this season and the Lakers would contend again. The lockout almost put any personal feelings for players aside and now I wanna see them go after bigger fish (if possible). Maybe Jim's the same way.

[lakers_forever]

That doesn't really make any sense. For one, if you're planning on tanking you would want to lose as many games as possible. Bynum gives you a better chance of doing that. You would also want to satisfy the fan base and give them a false sense of security... "Why yes, we are trying to rebuild." Bynum gives you that. Despite what many people here think, Bynum's an extremely talented player who would be a great coup if they have to trade Dwight Howard, assuming he can stay healthy. If he gets injured, they can always release him at the end of the season. Same result.

Nothing that robot says make sense. He is just afraid the Lakers get Howard, because he know things would get tougher for his boyfriend to finally win a ring.

[niko]

I don't really see how we get either of them, but the Buss family has a history of pulling off these types of trades and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if one (or both) of them came our way.

At the end of last season I wanted the Lakers to keep Bynum, Gasol, and Odom together. I thought they'd come back more motivated this season and the Lakers would contend again. The lockout almost put any personal feelings for players aside and now I wanna see them go after bigger fish (if possible). Maybe Jim's the same way.
I don't get this thought of keeping Howard for the season in order to just start over. That's basically starting over but also giving up an entire season. That's very counterintuitive.

[DMAVS41]

The Orlando GM don't want to let LA acquire another dominant Center. They are probably planning to tank in the 2012 NBA Season, and draft a guy that's younger, more skilled, and less injury prone than Andrew Bynum.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=134235&page=2

You can't tank at all with the roster the magic have. Its a roster that might win 55 plus games (in an 82 game season)

That is the point of trading for a player like Bynum. You get back a player that would be a top 3 pick in the coming draft on an expiring contract. You also will be much worse this year so your draft pick is better. You also get to shed 1 of your terrible contracts.

Keeping Howard makes no sense unless the Magic know they can somehow keep him and revamp the roster over night. I don't see how that is possible.

[chazzy]

Getting Howard is the one trade I have some hope for. Getting both him AND CP3 is simply not happening. Bynum and Odom for Dwight and Hedo isn't a bad deal.

[longtime lurker]

You can't tank at all with the roster the magic have. Its a roster that might win 55 plus games (in an 82 game season)

That is the point of trading for a player like Bynum. You get back a player that would be a top 3 pick in the coming draft on an expiring contract. You also will be much worse this year so your draft pick is better. You also get to shed 1 of your terrible contracts.

Keeping Howard makes no sense unless the Magic know they can somehow keep him and revamp the roster over night. I don't see how that is possible.

This. Letting Howard expire is the stupidest thing the Magic could do. Even if they get Bynum and Odom I guarantee the Magic will still have a top 10 pick this year. The Magic could still ship out Jameer Nelson for more draft picks, combined with the picks from the Lakers and their own lottery pick and top 5 center in Bynum they could rebuild the right way. And even if they don't want Odom then involve a 3rd team in the trade like the Knicks.

[NumberSix]

How hard will Kobe haters laugh themselves to death if Kobe gets traded so the lakers can get both Dwight and CP3?

[All Net]

How hard will Kobe haters laugh themselves to death if Kobe gets traded so the lakers can get both Dwight and CP3?

Pretty hard when Kobe has a no trade clause in his contract.

[macpierce]

How hard will Kobe haters laugh themselves to death if Kobe gets traded so the lakers can get both Dwight and CP3?
needs to be quoted for stupidity :lol

[chazzy]

sam_amick Sam Amick
League sources say the Houston has been trying to put together a three-team deal with the Lakers and New Orleans in which Paul goes to LA.
http://twitter.com/#!/sam_amick/status/144853840573890560

Hmm...

edit:
ChrisMannixSI: Piggybacking off @sam_amick tweet, Lakers/Rockets/Hornets discussing a deal that would send CP3 to LA, Pau to Houston.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

http://twitter.com/#!/sam_amick/status/144853840573890560

Hmm...

edit: ChrisMannixSI: Piggybacking off @sam_amick tweet, Lakers/Rockets/Hornets discussing a deal that would send CP3 to LA, Pau to Houston.

Wow that's just what Houston needs too. A quality big and a guy to fill the middle and defend especially since Chuck Hayes is gone.

[All Net]

So Paul is possible? :eek:

[DFish]

Like I've been saying... Gasol+filler for Paul, Bynum+Odom for Dwight

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
The Lakers are trying to do a deal for Chris Paul that will allow them to keep Andrew Bymum, front office source says.

[brownmamba00]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
The Lakers are trying to do a deal for Chris Paul that will allow them to keep Andrew Bymum, front office source says.
:bowdown:

[guy]

I'm still thinking that it would take a Bynum+Gasol for Howard+Arenas/Hedo deal for them to get Howard, meaning getting CP3 is out of the question. But I'm starting to lean towards Gasol for CP3 and Bynum and Odom for Howard actually happening. Not because this deal makes sense. But with Chandler possibly going to NY, meaning no CP3 for them, and now this possible Gasol/CP3 three way trade with Houston, I'm just once again remembering how stupid NBA front offices are (NY/Hou/Orl/NO in this case) and that maybe the NBA-owned Hornets want this to happen.

[LemonMan]

They won't get both

[ZenMaster]

They won't get bothI think one will be enough if we keep 2 of 3 big guys.

Paul
Kobe
World Peace
Odom
Bynum

for example is one hell of a starting lineup.

I bet Kobe will hit more 3's per game than ever before.

A Paul/Bynum pickn'roll would be fun to watch.

[AMISTILLILL]

Keep on laughing. I'll be having the last laugh when Paul, Kobe and Dwight walk out onto the floor in purple and gold to play the Bulls on the 25th.

:oldlol:

[Fiasco]

:oldlol:

He was at least 33.3% right.

[rhythmic]

I wonder if NJ will accept the deal Houston offered New Orleans.
If Howard does end up on the Lakers for Bynum; will Deron demand a trade or simply tell NJ he isn't re-signing. Would they take Scola, Dragic, Martin, Patterson & picks?

Lopez, Scola, Martin, Morrow & Dragic is not a bad looking squad, they might be forced to do this deal.

[PejaNowitzki]

:oldlol:


Lakers fans.........those ****ers are so crazy.......:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[AMISTILLILL]

Keep on laughing. I'll be having the last laugh when Paul, Kobe and Dwight walk out onto the floor in purple and gold to play the Bulls on the 25th.

:hammertime:

[24r2]

Championship Cruise :rockon:

[AMISTILLILL]

Championship Cruise :rockon:

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Kews1]

Championship Cruise :rockon:

LOLOLOLOLOLOL :lebronamazed:

[Jimmy2k8]

I got excited at the thread title, then I realized that this thread was all the way back in December.
:lebroncry: