Hornets talks getting very serious with Warriors, Clippers and Celtics

[Clippersfan86]

@WojYahooNBAAdrian Wojnarowski


New Orleans strongly engaged with Clippers, Warriors and Celtics in trade talks for Chris Paul on Tuesday, league sources tell Y!



Also something interesting...

@WojYahooNBAAdrian Wojnarowski twitter account:


Paul has indicated Clippers and Warriors could raise chances of keeping him long-term if they sign center Tyson Chandler too, sources say.


I'm thinking this mainly applies to Warriors. Clippers have DJ who will be much cheaper and better eventually than Chandler. I'm confused as to the Celtics being so much in the mix when supposedly they swore up and down they aren't trading Rondo. I guess that was a PR move by them.

Woj said he's writing a CP3 article as we speak about the rumors/happenings today.

Check out these potential starting 5's.

Warriors:

CP3
Ellis
Dorrell Wright
David Lee
Tyson Chandler


Clippers:

CP3
Eric Gordon
Caron Butler
Blake Griffin
DeAndre Jordan


;O!

[Real Men Wear Green]

Ainge could be lying but it would be an extremely brazen lie. (http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4686577/ainge-no-intentions-of-trading-rondo) He has gone on record as saying there is no Paul/Rondo deal coming. But that doesn't mean he won't involve the Cs in the CP trade. He could just have the Cs involved as a third team that gets some peripheral player/asset in return for one of the Hornets' trade requirements.

[Rowe]

I love it.

[mountainmamba]

OP should have linked the Yahoo article.

The most interesting part of it says that the Hornets want to make a decision before training camp starts this friday, as in 3 days from now.

[devin112]

During shoot around before a game vs the Clippers,after watching DeAndre finish lob passes with monster dunks, CP3 was heard praising DeAndre and wishing the Hornets had someone like him.

[zizozain]

Clippersfan86 ... based on your threads and posts last 7 days

you must be so pumped for the new seaon

[HylianNightmare]

oh crap

[Clippersfan86]

OP should have linked the Yahoo article.

The most interesting part of it says that the Hornets want to make a decision before training camp starts this friday, as in 3 days from now.

I didn't see the article yet. It's already up?

[DuMa]

http://biggreenmachine.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/mo-williams-cut.jpg

[Clippersfan86]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_chris_paul_hornets_offers_nba_120611

Article up. WOW. Hornets to trade CP3 before training camp supposedly!

[D12"Magic"]

Than the Clips later stated they don't plan on matching Chandler Proposal of over $12, which apparently he wants.
Lemme find the link.
Damn, sbnation.com is down

[Clippersfan86]

Than the Clips later stated they don't plan on matching Chandler Proposal of over $12, which apparently he wants.
Lemme find the link.

Honestly if CP3 is going diva mode and trying to force our FO to get Chandler and let DJ go.. he can kiss my as*. At least Olshey should say that! I mean.... DJ>Chandler going forward for much cheaper. Not to mention signing Chandler would cripple our flexibility.

[Rowe]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_chris_paul_hornets_offers_nba_120611

Article up. WOW. Hornets to trade CP3 before training camp supposedly!
I love it.

We're finally getting closer to a resolution on this.

Does he want to sign that extension with LA and forfeit the chance to play with Stat & Melo? Yes or No?

Everybody else can move on once he makes his decision.

[AirRaptor]

Check out these potential starting 5's.

Warriors:

CP3
Ellis
Dorrell Wright
David Lee
Tyson Chandler


Clippers:

CP3
Eric Gordon
Caron Butler
Blake Griffin
DeAndre Jordan


;O!

The Clippers' starting 5 looks too nice! :D

One question though: how would the Clippers manage to keep Eric Gordon (and, to a lesser extent, DeAndre Jordan) while getting Chris Paul? Because I am certain that NO would want Gordon as part of any package for CP3...

Edit: Apparently not, according to the Yahoo! article. Which means CP3 w/ Gordon and Blake is likely (if he goes to LA, that is)

[D12"Magic"]

Honestly if CP3 is going diva mode and trying to force our FO to get Chandler and let DJ go.. he can kiss my as*. At least Olshey should say that! I mean.... DJ>Chandler going forward for much cheaper. Not to mention signing Chandler would cripple our flexibility.
CP3 added to the Clips would be Scary though.

[Clippersfan86]

The Clippers' starting 5 looks too nice! :D

One question though: how would the Clippers manage to keep Eric Gordon (and, to a lesser extent, DeAndre Jordan) while getting Chris Paul? Because I am certain that NO would want Gordon as part of any package for CP3...

Eric Gordon has been pulled from all offers. DJ may go out though. Maybe that's why CP3 is demanding a Chandler signing? If DJ is part of a CP3 trade then of course we should grab Chandler to fill in.

CP3
Gordon
Butler
Griffin
Chandler

:eek:

[BGriffin's Dad]

so it's possible/likely that we could get CP3 while keeping EJ and DJ?

Paul/Gordon/Caron/Blake/DeAndre would be nuts, even if we don't get Butler.

[Rose]

Pardon my Hawkfan but!

Hornets get DJ, Aminu, Minny's first, and Bledsoe
Clippers get CP3, and Ariza.

Sign Tyson chandler in free agency

THEN.

Flip EJ and Ariza for Afflalo in an extend and trade. also get back a future pick or say, Gallo.


Cp3-Afflalo-Gallo-Blake-Chandler
Foye-someone-Gomes-Smith-Kaman


That's a pretty ****ing solid team if I do say so myself (and I do)

[Brujesino]

Hes going to the warriors :banana:

[EnoughSaid]

EJ >>>>> Aflallo.

[Clippersfan86]

Clippers most recent offer was supposedly....

DeAndre Jordan, Al Farouq Aminu, Eric Bledsoe and Minny pick. So THIS is why CP3 is pushing for the Clippers to sign Chandler. I'm sure team would agree with getting Chandler without DJ.

[Clutch]

CP3 says he won't go anywhere without Tyson Chandler.

It seems like the new Knicks lineup will be
CP3
Fields
Melo
Amare
Chandler

:D

JK guys

[BGriffin's Dad]

EJ >>>>> Aflallo.

^ this

[Rose]

EJ >>>>> Aflallo.
Easily, but you can't pay CP3, Ej, Blake, and Chandler.


You can pay Afflalo and the rest though. He won't make max. He'll get half around 10 million a year.

[BGriffin's Dad]

Easily, but you can't pay CP3, Ej, Blake, and Chandler.


You can pay Afflalo and the rest though. He won't make max. He'll get half around 10 million a year.

but you said


Hornets get DJ, Aminu, Minny's first, and Bledsoe
Clippers get CP3, and Ariza.

Sign Tyson chandler in free agency

THEN.

Flip EJ and Ariza for Afflalo in an extend and trade. also get back a future pick or say, Gallo.

why not leave out that last step if the first part is possible?

[AirRaptor]

Eric Gordon has been pulled from all offers. DJ may go out though. Maybe that's why CP3 is demanding a Chandler signing? If DJ is part of a CP3 trade then of course we should grab Chandler to fill in.

CP3
Gordon
Butler
Griffin
Chandler

:eek:

According to Woj, the Clippers appear unwilling to give Chandler the $12 million/year contract he is looking for (for long term money concerns), but if it means securing CP3, there should be no hesitation.

[Rose]

but you said



why not leave out that last step if the first part is possible?
Why take on Ariza's contract if you can avoid it? take back more assets so you can retool your team later if you have too. plus if you get a pick back it could do wonders for you down the road. because with CP3 and Blake your lottery days are over. You might be lucky to see a top 25 pick or so if the Clippers get built right.

[Darius]

If that deal is truly on the table and Clips need to nut up and overpay chandler

Only problem would be filling SF slot.

[Rowe]

According to Woj, the Clippers appear unwilling to give Chandler the $12 million/year contract he is looking for (for long term money concerns), but if it means securing CP3, there should be no hesitation.


http://static7.businessinsider.com/image/4dd3d4df49e2aecb5b1c0000-400-300/donald-sterling-los-angeles-clippers.jpg

Too many people playing with Sterling's money.

[BGriffin's Dad]

Why take on Ariza's contract if you can avoid it? take back more assets so you can retool your team later if you have too. plus if you get a pick back it could do wonders for you down the road. because with CP3 and Blake your lottery days are over. You might be lucky to see a top 25 pick or so if the Clippers get built right.

:confusedshrug: you mentioned Ariza.

If it's possible for the Clippers to give up DJ, Aminu, Minny's first, and Bledsoe for CP3 and then get Chandler, I say do it.. I don't see a reason to trade Gordon for Afflalo if that scenario is possible.

[Clippersfan86]

Would Griffin+CP3+Gordon be the undisputed best all around "Big 3" in the NBA?

[niko]

I love it all. He'd consider both teams more strongly. Nothing is definite though. Which means him not resigning is on everyone's minds, why is that? :D

I only worry about Clippers and not much. Boston, he's not staying there. If they move players to get him we'd actually be better, which is funny. GS? PLEASE. That team would be so flawed.

Nothing here worries me. Good news.

[niko]

Would Griffin+CP3+Gordon be the undisputed best all around "Big 3" in the NBA?
No, the miami trio is. If the Knicks get CP3 the miami trio is. Lebron is as good a PF as your (extremely sick) PF. And he doesn't play PF. That's how sick Lebron is, weak minded aside.

(NOte: no disrespect, just your two young stars are not there yet.)

[Rose]

:confusedshrug: you mentioned Ariza.

If it's possible for the Clippers to give up DJ, Aminu, Minny's first, and Bledsoe for CP3 and then get Chandler, I say do it.. I don't see a reason to trade Gordon for Afflalo if that scenario is possible.
Money. EJ's gonna get max. Blake's gonna get max. CP3, will have either max if he gets an extension, whatever gets if he decides to take an extension in the offseason which would save them 5 million or something like that. OR he walks completely. Which is where the risk of trading EJ comes in.

If they keep EJ they can still have a great core with him Blake and Tyson. Which is nice.

Or, if they trade him they get a cheaper Afflalo, Blake, Tyson, THEN they can go "Oh Hi Steve Nash!" Or Deron Williams, or Aaron Brooks next year when he gets back from China. Or Kirk Hinrich in the offseason...there are ALOT of point guards you can retool the team with. Which is why personally I'd trade him, that and the fact no one knows if EJ would resign there anyways.

[AMISTILLILL]

Update: Eric Gordon is back on the table in a trade for CP3.

[Clippersfan86]

Chris Palmer:

"Very likely Chris Paul and Dwight Howard will play in LA this year. Just not for the same team."

:applause: :D . Imagine Kobe+Dwight vs CP3+Gordon+Griffin. We would get that epic hallway series all Lakers fans have been dreaming about.

[AirRaptor]

Update: Eric Gordon is back on the table in a trade for CP3.

Says who? And if that's the case, wouldn't it make it harder for the Clippers to convince CP3 to resign?

[Clippersfan86]

Update: Eric Gordon is back on the table in a trade for CP3.

Source? If it's the Ken Berger article.. his info was before Woj's.

[AMISTILLILL]

Says who? And if that's the case, wouldn't it make it harder for the Clippers to convince CP3 to resign?

www.*********.com is reporting it but have yet to post the source yet. It just got updated.

Edit: it rhymes with "oops" and "type". They haven't updated the newsfeed yet with the source.

Edit Edit: "The Clippers' opening salvo was an offer that included Eric Gordon and restricted free agent DeAndre Jordan, with L.A. hoping that the prospect of playing with electrifying forward Blake Griffin and the big stage of Los Angeles would be enticing enough to Paul that he would eventually commit to the team long term. CBSSports.com"

[DFish]

Chris Palmer:

"Very likely Chris Paul and Dwight Howard will play in LA this year. Just not for the same team."

:applause: :D . Imagine Kobe+Dwight vs CP3+Gordon+Griffin. We would get that epic hallway series all Lakers fans have been dreaming about.

I wouldn't mind watching a hallway with Deron/Kobe/Dwight vs. CP3/Gordon/Griffin

[icewill36]

why would cp3 go to the warriors ???

clippers make more sense

[disel]

Rondo is the best offer out there for the Hornets.

[Clippersfan86]

Rondo is the best offer out there for the Hornets.

Difference is SUPPOSEDLY "sources" say that he won't extend for Boston, but he will for Clippers. Clippers are the front runners IF they are willing to give NO what they want basically.

[AMISTILLILL]

"The details of offers surrounding talks with Dallas and Golden State weren't known, but the Celtics stepped forward with an offer that would not have to come with any commitment from Paul that he'd re-sign with Boston after the season. According to a person familiar with the discussions, the Celtics offered Rajon Rondo, two future first- round picks, and restricted free agent Jeff Green in a sign-and-trade for Paul. CBSSports.com"

:eek: :eek: :eek:

[DFish]

Rondo is the best offer out there for the Hornets.

When did the Celtics offer Rondo?

[Clippersfan86]

In the Clippers offer of DJ+Gordon it DOES NOT include the 2012 Minny pick. So maybe the Clippers front office got turned down to extend Gordon early today and realized it may be wise to move him. They are banking on adding a 3rd core piece in 2012 draft.

[AMISTILLILL]

When did the Celtics offer Rondo?

See; the post above yours.

[niko]

Difference is SUPPOSEDLY "sources" say that he won't extend for Boston, but he will for Clippers. Clippers are the front runners IF they are willing to give NO what they want basically.
Clearly he hasn't said he will resign if he says Chandler there will increase his chances of signing. Either one or other is wrong.

Basically he'll go there like Deron, sure i probably will resign. Then you need to hope. :applause: At least its not Lakers. If we lose CP3 to you, i think we still have offseason chance, and if we fail, he's a clipper which doesn't make me sick. Let's be honest, he goes to Lakers he staying, and ill puke.

[DFish]

See; the post above yours.

I thought Ainge recently came out with a resounding no to trading Rondo though?

[Abd El-Krim]

Man, I really hope LA doesn't give up EJ to get Paul. They must be thinking that Paul/Blake is going to lure free agents to fill the void, but it just seems like the type of move that will inevitably backfire on the Clippers

[AMISTILLILL]

I thought Ainge recently came out with a resounding no to trading Rondo though?

So did I, but it's tough to believe anything any front office says these days.

[Abd El-Krim]

In the Clippers offer of DJ+Gordon it DOES NOT include the 2012 Minny pick. So maybe the Clippers front office got turned down to extend Gordon early today and realized it may be wise to move him. They are banking on adding a 3rd core piece in 2012 draft.

Then again, I guess I could see it if Gordon wants out anyway.

[Clippersfan86]

Clearly he hasn't said he will resign if he says Chandler there will increase his chances of signing. Either one or other is wrong.

Basically he'll go there like Deron, sure i probably will resign. Then you need to hope. :applause: At least its not Lakers. If we lose CP3 to you, i think we still have offseason chance, and if we fail, he's a clipper which doesn't make me sick. Let's be honest, he goes to Lakers he staying, and ill puke.

Clippers obviously won't send Gordon for non extended Paul. He either extends or Clippers call the deal off.

[niko]

Clippers obviously won't send Gordon for non extended Paul. He either extends or Clippers call the deal off.
He's 100% not extending. It would cost him a ton of money. It defeats the purpose of being traded now. The best you can get is him giving you a "sure, i will resign at year end" promise that is non binding, just like the nets with Deron.

Even if my Knicks get him now he wouldn't sign an extension.

[Clippersfan86]

Then again, I guess I could see it if Gordon wants out anyway.

Many Clippers fans including me thinks EJ's heart is still in Indiana. I honestly think he would stay because he has no choice...but I doubt he would want to 100 percent. This is a guy who spends his entire summers in his hometown. His family has pushed for him to return home in the media many times.

Gordon was offered an early extension supposedly... or at least reached out to... yet hasn't committed to the team.

[AMISTILLILL]

I honestly think if CP3 spent a season with the Clippers and they excelled, which I'm sure they would in the form of a playoff berth... maybe even an appearance in the second round(?), he'd be willing to sign an extension. Getting him to agree to one outright OR ELSE seems like a tough approach. Business-wise, I get that it's necessary... but, I don't know... I think he'll appreciate the opportunity he has there after a full season alongside Blake, THEN be more than willing to extend.

[Clippersfan86]

He's 100% not extending. It would cost him a ton of money. It defeats the purpose of being traded now. The best you can get is him giving you a "sure, i will resign at year end" promise that is non binding, just like the nets with Deron.

Even if my Knicks get him now he wouldn't sign an extension.

Naw man. He's already said he would extend for Knicks/Clippers before trade. I'm 100 percent sure Clippers call deal off if he refuses extension. Handshake agreement isn't enough.

[Clippersfan86]

I honestly think if CP3 spent a season with the Clippers and they excelled, which I'm sure they would in the form of a playoff berth... maybe even an appearance in the second round(?), he'd be willing to sign an extension. Getting him to agree to one outright OR ELSE seems like a tough approach. Business-wise, I get that it's necessary... but, I don't know... I think he'll appreciate the opportunity he has there after a full season alongside Blake, THEN be more than willing to extend.

Rondo is valuable but he's NOT as valuable as Eric Gordon+DeAndre. Boston is willing to take that chance because they are risking far less. Clippers would be sacrificing their entire core basically for one player. If he did bail Clippers would be set back another 5 years. If he bailed on Boston you guys would likely still be a playoff team for another 2-3 years.

[AMISTILLILL]

Rondo is valuable but he's NOT as valuable as Eric Gordon+DeAndre. Boston is willing to take that chance because they are risking far less. Clippers would be sacrificing their entire core basically for one player. If he did bail Clippers would be set back another 5 years. If he bailed on Boston you guys would likely still be a playoff team for another 2-3 years.

True. Like I said, I get why he almost has to guarantee to extend... I just hate to see the whole entire deal fall apart simply because he's apprehensive about it.

[DFish]

He's 100% not extending.

Naw man. He's already said he would extend for Knicks/Clippers before trade.

How do we get such opposite assertions? Which is it? Did Paul say he'd extend or not?

[niko]

Naw man. He's already said he would extend for Knicks/Clippers before trade. I'm 100 percent sure Clippers call deal off if he refuses extension. Handshake agreement isn't enough.
No, the new CBA makes it so he can get more years and more money if he opts out at YE, even if he stays with same team. It's asinine i know. If the Nets get Howard tomorrow, neither he or Deron will extend, they will both opt out and then resign at YE.

So what the Clippers want is a promise he plans to resign at YE, but that's what it will be, a non binding promise. If someone important suffered a career ending injury, he could change his mind. The same way if Paul's knee went, you could change your mind. The best you can / will get is a promise.

[Abd El-Krim]

Many Clippers fans including me thinks EJ's heart is still in Indiana. I honestly think he would stay because he has no choice...but I doubt he would want to 100 percent. This is a guy who spends his entire summers in his hometown. His family has pushed for him to return home in the media many times.

Gordon was offered an early extension supposedly... or at least reached out to... yet hasn't committed to the team.

I can see that.

I remember all the problems he had at IU because of what was going down with Sampson and that team at the time. Even that environment was too crazy for him and he spent most of the year off campus. It seems like he's just a a quiet guy who wants to be close to his friends/family.

[niko]

How do we get such opposite assertions? Which is it? Did Paul say he'd extend or not?
both, he's talking promise to extend and im talking signing the actual document. i just know the cba better. :D

seriously, anyone else can back up what im saying? Surely the Net fans can. They are getting shit because Deron has not resigned yet even though he only did not to get extra money.

[Clippersfan86]

I can see that.

I remember all the problems he had at IU because of what was going down with Sampson and that team at the time. Even that environment was too crazy for him and he spent most of the year off campus. It seems like he's just a a quiet guy who wants to be close to his friends/family.

Exactly. I just wish we could do a Gordon deal and keep DJ. DJ would become a star playing with CP3. Do you guys think Clippers should be more **** about holding onto DJ or 2012 Minny pick?

[DFish]

both, he's talking promise to extend and im talking signing the actual document. i just know the cba better. :D

seriously, anyone else can back up what im saying? Surely the Net fans can. They are getting shit because Deron has not resigned yet even though he only did not to get extra money.

So you're saying Paul is just outright lying about extending?

[niko]

So you're saying Paul is just outright lying about extending?
no im saying he's talking about signing it at YE and several of you think he means now.

[yobore]

How do we get such opposite assertions? Which is it? Did Paul say he'd extend or not?
I think the rumors meant that he would resign with some teams. He is better off letting his contract expire even if he's not switching teams

[PJR]

If Paul is traded to the Clippers, I'm buying season tickets.

[yobore]

by the way i dont see why the debate rages on among clippers fans, it will be much better for both teams if Gordon is the one traded. DJ w/ CP could very likely to turn into a better Tyson Chandler. Chandler doesn't have great stats, but in the last two seasons he wasn't injured his impact on the game is among the highest in the game.

[veilside23]

cp3 + eric gordon + griffin and deandre or chandel would be alley oop galore :D fun!

[qrich]

Resigned DeAndre + Eric Bledsoe + Minnesota First for Chris Paul

Eric Gordon + Ryan Gomes + Chris Kaman for Danny Granger + Roy Hibbert

Al-Farouq Aminu + 2nd for S&T Afflalo

Paul - Afflalo - Granger - Griffin - Chandler
Mo Will - Foye - MBah A Moute -Rhino - Hibbert

:D


On the real, I would deal Gordon for Paul as long as the Wolves pick isn't included OR the Clippers don't have to take on Okafor.

[Clippersfan86]

Both Ric Bucher and Eric Pincus are reporting that the Clippers FO has told them Eric Gordon IS NOT involved in the offer. Clippers have already let NO know they aren't getting Gordon.

"Eric Gordon has not and will not be offered in a deal for CP3".

[R.I.P.]

Both Ric Bucher and Eric Pincus are reporting that the Clippers FO has told them Eric Gordon IS NOT involved in the offer. Clippers have already let NO know they aren't getting Gordon.

"Eric Gordon has not and will not be offered in a deal for CP3".

They think they can get CP3 without offering Gordon or Blake. LOL. If CP3 came that cheap, Tyson would have his 20 million dollar deal already and CP3 would be throwing alley-oop passes to JJ Barea in Dallas. :lol

[D12"Magic"]

hornets247 hornets247.com
"On the phone now with an NBA guy I would trust with my life and he tells me: Paul WILL NOT be on the roster at the end of this weekend."

[Clippersfan86]

They think they can get CP3 without offering Gordon or Blake. LOL. If CP3 came that cheap, Tyson would have his 20 million dollar deal already and CP3 would be throwing alley-oop passes to JJ Barea in Dallas. :lol

Clippers are front runners for CP3 deal. DJ plus Minny pick plus other young pieces is still a great deal. Maybe CP3 won't extend and that's why they won't offer EJ.

[qrich]

They think they can get CP3 without offering Gordon or Blake. LOL. If CP3 came that cheap, Tyson would have his 20 million dollar deal already and CP3 would be throwing alley-oop passes to JJ Barea in Dallas. :lol

Who can Dallas offer that tops a combination of Bledsoe, Aminu, Jordan, Wolves pick?

[qrich]

Chris Paul would reportedly prefer the Clippers over the Warriors because of the chance of being paired with Blake Griffin and Eric Gordon.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/#ixzz1foRrn3gB


The Hornets have narrowed down their list of possible trade partners for Chris Paul to the Clippers, Warriors and Celtics, according to sources.

The Lakers, Mavericks and Rockets are also pushing for a trade, but are on the second tier.

According to sources, Golden State is offering Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson and Ekpe Udoh. The team would also amnesty Andris Biedrins in order to create cap space to reunite Paul with Tyson Chandler.

Via Sam Amick/SI.com

Interesting

[Dbrog]

Chris Palmer:

"Very likely Chris Paul and Dwight Howard will play in LA this year. Just not for the same team."

:applause: :D . Imagine Kobe+Dwight vs CP3+Gordon+Griffin. We would get that epic hallway series all Lakers fans have been dreaming about.

This is interesting because it leaves DWill out in the cold. Does this mean he leaves Nets with nothing and heads to NYC? Just the prospect of having 4 superteams is getting me pumped up to a level that's never happened with the NBA. It would be amazing for the fans and even better for the league (ratings-wise). :D

[NugzFan]

Al-Farouq Aminu + 2nd for S&T Afflalo



.

Deal!

[LemonMan]

Hopefully clips keep EJ. Common people, tell me who wouldn't love watching Paul/EJ/Griffin

fingers crossed

[chazzy]

So a

CP3
Gordon
Butler
Griffin
Kaman

lineup is definitely in play right now.. that's really solid. Would Okafor be included as well?

[longtime lurker]

So a

CP3
Gordon
Butler
Griffin
Kaman

lineup is definitely in play right now.. that's really solid. Would Okafor be included as well?

You know what's funny? Chris Paul asking for Chandler could actually benefit Dallas. Chandler in a sign and trade for Chris Kaman makes a lot of sense.

[niko]

You know what's funny? Chris Paul asking for Chandler could actually benefit Dallas. Chandler in a sign and trade for Chris Kaman makes a lot of sense.
No it doesn't at all.

[LoneyROY7]

It looks like CP3 might very well be headed to Golden State.

[DevilsAssassin]

So a

CP3
Gordon
Butler
Griffin
Kaman

lineup is definitely in play right now.. that's really solid. Would Okafor be included as well?

wtf why isn't Eric Gordon a part of this deal?:wtf:

The Hornets are stupid

[Dave3]

So a

CP3
Gordon
Butler
Griffin
Kaman

lineup is definitely in play right now.. that's really solid. Would Okafor be included as well?
Kaman fit really well with Griffin at the end of the season. Hope they don't pull the trigger too early on him with regards to moving him.

That lineup to me is a little too offensively concentrated. The entire starting lineup is players accustomed to taking 10-15 shots/game, and sometimes 15-20. I'd see them being better off flipping Butler for a better defender/playmaker type guy like Iggy, though he also likes to shoot 10-15 times a game. Maybe a guy like Battier...or Tony Allen? Not sure, but that lineup as you put it is too many shot takers. You want Griffin and Gordon being the main shot takers right now.

[InspiredLebowski]

If they don't demand to dump Okafor NO's retarded

[devin112]

It looks like CP3 might very well be headed to Golden State.

why?

[rhythmic]

Who can Dallas offer that tops a combination of Bledsoe, Aminu, Jordan, Wolves pick?

1) How does that even work financially?
2) New Orleans already said they want to include Okafor with Paul to free up cap space.

[rhythmic]

Kaman fit really well with Griffin at the end of the season. Hope they don't pull the trigger too early on him with regards to moving him.

That lineup to me is a little too offensively concentrated. The entire starting lineup is players accustomed to taking 10-15 shots/game, and sometimes 15-20. I'd see them being better off flipping Butler for a better defender/playmaker type guy like Iggy, though he also likes to shoot 10-15 times a game. Maybe a guy like Battier...or Tony Allen? Not sure, but that lineup as you put it is too many shot takers. You want Griffin and Gordon being the main shot takers right now.

M.Williams, Kaman, Aminu, Bledsoe, 1st round pick for Paul & Okafor would work, I think. Might not even need to include Jordan...

[AirRaptor]

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[devin112]

Wishful thinking...Hornets will want at least one of Gordon/Jordan, probably both

for an extended CP3 then sure, one of them.

[yobore]

for an extended CP3 then sure, one of them.
The Clips have no shot without giving one of them. At first I thought they would, but considering they could get Curry + nice prospects or Rondo for an unextended CP, there is no way they do the Clippers deal for Aminu +... + picks

I think the best for both teams is to trade Gordon and CP3 will get attached to having Jordan to lob to.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

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[bluechox2]

if i were chris paul, why would i want to be extended?

[Clippersfan86]

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/7325398/source-eric-gordon-deandre-jordan-not-los-angeles-clippers-chris-paul-offer

Clippers are the least desperate of all 3 teams.

[Brujesino]

According to sources close to the talks, the Warriors' offer includes third-year guard Stephen Curry, rookie guard Klay Thompson and second-year forward Ekpe Udoh. Golden State would pay a hefty price on top of losing those players because its plan would involve waiving center Andris Biedrins via the new amnesty clause (his deal has three years and $27 million remaining) and signing Chandler to a four-year deal that would likely start in the neighborhood of $15 million annually

the only thing i dont like would be paying tyson 15 mill

[BEAST Griffin]

Not sure how Blake would like his best buddy on the team being traded away.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

the only thing i dont like would be paying tyson 15 mill

tyson is not worth it...it was Dirk who made him look good...whats he going to do playing alongside of D Lee? nobody cares his Jumper....

so a front court of Chandler/D Lee is useless

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Not sure how Blake would like his best buddy on the team being traded away.

best buddy or not nobody cares when they start winning

[R.I.P.]

I don

[NewYorkNoPicks]

It's the Knicks TIME. WE DESERVE CP3! Fk every single one of you guys, NY has suffered enough. It's time to enjoy, and time for another title. Clippers can get next, but not before us.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

It's the Knicks TIME. WE DESERVE CP3! Fk every single one of you guys, NY has suffered enough. It's time to enjoy, and time for another title. Clippers can get next, but not before us.

lol...nobody deserves a sh1t.....earn it

[Fiasco]

It's the Knicks TIME. WE DESERVE CP3! Fk every single one of you guys, NY has suffered enough. It's time to enjoy, and time for another title. Clippers can get next, but not before us.

You guys had Carmelo whine his way onto your team, and you deserve more?

Please.

[NewYorkNoPicks]

lol...nobody deserves a sh1t.....earn it


This coming from a Lakers fan lmao. Did you guys earn Gasol? Or how about top 3 of all time player Kareem? Kareem for a few fringe starters. Did you guys earn that? Or getting the Jazz's #1 pick as compensation for a free agent signing they made; a pick youd select Magic Johnson with. Etc

[NewYorkNoPicks]

You guys had Carmelo whine his way onto your team, and you deserve more?

Please.

We deserve a title. Its our time

[All Net]

Looking more and more likely Paul will be traded soon.

if he does go to the Clippers the tickets I got free to their games last year will be limited this year at work :(

[Brujesino]

tyson is not worth it...it was Dirk who made him look good...whats he going to do playing alongside of D Lee? nobody cares his Jumper....

so a front court of Chandler/D Lee is useless
Dirk made Tyson look good?How?Your talking about jumpers and shit like Tyson was a offensive juggernaut.If anything Tyson covered up Dirks weakness in defense.

Whats he doing playing alongside David Lee?How about defense.Nobody wants Chandler for his offensive ability.Lee's weakness is defense and Chandlers strength is defense.

A front court of Lee and Chandler would be good since they both cover each others weaknesses.

Saying all that 15 mill is still too high for Chandler.

[DFish]

We deserve a title. Its our time

In what way is it your time and not the Clippers?

Longest time since the teams last won a championship? Knicks around 30 years, but the Clippers haven't yet.
Longest time since the teams last won a conference title? Knicks 12 years, but Clippers never.
Longest time since the teams last made the playoffs? Knicks made them last year, Clippers 5 years ago.

Albeit you guys got swepted by Boston, but I'd say it's more so the Clippers' time than it is the Knicks' time. They've waited the longest and are more deserving of a title than the Knicks.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Dirk made Tyson look good?How?Your talking about jumpers and shit like Tyson was a offensive juggernaut.If anything Tyson covered up Dirks weakness in defense.

Whats he doing playing alongside David Lee?How about defense.Nobody wants Chandler for his offensive ability.Lee's weakness is defense and Chandlers strength is defense.

A front court of Lee and Chandler would be good since they both cover each others weaknesses.

Saying all that 15 mill is still too high for Chandler.

what about the offensive end?

[JustinJDW]

If Paul is traded to the Clippers, I'm buying season tickets.As am I.

Shit is starting to get real gentleman. :rockon:

[Lebron23]

what about the offensive end?

Warriors have a bunch of talented scorers on their team. They just need a good defensive Center.

[NugzFan]

It's the Knicks TIME. WE DESERVE CP3! Fk every single one of you guys, NY has suffered enough. It's time to enjoy, and time for another title. Clippers can get next, but not before us.

:violin:

[NugzFan]

We deserve a title. Its our time

so, so wrong.

but i feel better knowing thats it not your time.

[NugzFan]

In what way is it your time and not the Clippers?

Longest time since the teams last won a championship? Knicks around 30 years, but the Clippers haven't yet.
Longest time since the teams last won a conference title? Knicks 12 years, but Clippers never.
Longest time since the teams last made the playoffs? Knicks made them last year, Clippers 5 years ago.

Albeit you guys got swepted by Boston, but I'd say it's more so the Clippers' time than it is the Knicks' time. They've waited the longest and are more deserving of a title than the Knicks.

im pretty sure its no teams time. this sense of entitlement that some fans have is laughable.

[chazzy]

Lakers still in the hunt..
http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/david_aldridge/12/07/chris-paul-lakers/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt2

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Ainge could be lying but it would be an extremely brazen lie. (http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4686577/ainge-no-intentions-of-trading-rondo) He has gone on record as saying there is no Paul/Rondo deal coming. But that doesn't mean he won't involve the Cs in the CP trade. He could just have the Cs involved as a third team that gets some peripheral player/asset in return for one of the Hornets' trade requirements.

Jeff Green for Ariza, maybe? I doubt we have any interet in Okafor, as much as his fixes this year's gaping hole. It'd be great to see CP3 in Boston but I don't think NO will pull the trigger when they could get far better players from LA and/or the Warriors. Maybe w could get Kaman somehow in a deal witht he Clips? If he stayed healthy, could be deadly... And, of course, he's an expirer.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Jeff Green for Ariza, maybe? I doubt we have any interet in Okafor, as much as his fixes this year's gaping hole. It'd be great to see CP3 in Boston but I don't think NO will pull the trigger when they could get far better players from LA and/or the Warriors. Maybe w could get Kaman somehow in a deal witht he Clips? If he stayed healthy, could be deadly... And, of course, he's an expirer.
Unless he has crazy contract demands I wouldn't deal Green for Ariza. Green could be the post-Pierce SF starter, he's not as good obviously as P but he could still average 18pp with 35+ minutes. Ariza doesn't bring anything major to the table.

[OmniStrife]

I'd be happy if he signs in LAC or GSW.
Even though my team is the PAC div. as well.

Seeing him go to LAL will piss me off to no end.

We need more contenders in the league, not overpower the current ones.

[blacknapalm]

I'd be happy if he signs in LAC or GSW.
Even though my team is the PAC div. as well.

Seeing him go to LAL will piss me off to no end.

We need more contenders in the league, not overpower the current ones.

makes you feel better that one main reason cited the lockout was so long was 'competitive balance' huh? :rolleyes:

[niko]

im pretty sure its no teams time. this sense of entitlement that some fans have is laughable.
Clipper fans are saying every player is coming their way this year. Where is all your scolding? Oh wait, you only scold Knick fans. Can you get over it? Jeez...

[blacknapalm]

well, if there's a positive with all this...i've been reading rumors that NO is going to want to deal with the cp3 situation very quickly, as in, as soon as you can trade and sign players. i don't think they want to deal with questions all season long. plus, i don't think deals will get much better than they are now. could be in for a fun couple FA weeks.

[Nelson14]

will be nice once we can get some deals done

[jcyrus10]

As a hornets fan, i would like CP3 to stay( who doesn't :confusedshrug: ) But right now, the probability of him being traded is like 90%. So I would like him to see as a warrior or a clipper to see again a paul-chandler alley oop play or paul -griffin. That would be sick. I just hope hornets get the best deal possible. Im rooting for which ever team CP3 will play.

[All Net]

well, if there's a positive with all this...i've been reading rumors that NO is going to want to deal with the cp3 situation very quickly, as in, as soon as you can trade and sign players. i don't think they want to deal with questions all season long. plus, i don't think deals will get much better than they are now. could be in for a fun couple FA weeks.
Think they know it badly it can trouble a team through a season so I bet they want it done soon

[Rose]

Just trade EJ for him already. I built you a great team off the top of my head Clippers.:mad:

[bluechox2]

i c paul not reuping with the clips if they dont get as far as west finals

[niko]

Hornets motivation should be shedding salary and getting close to the #1 pick which could make for a super quick rebuild. They are absolutely going the other way.

[SpecialQue]

i c paul not reuping with the clips if they dont get as far as west finals

Pretty big demand there for a team that hasn't even made the playoffs yet.

[SpecialQue]

It's the Knicks TIME. WE DESERVE CP3! Fk every single one of you guys, NY has suffered enough. It's time to enjoy, and time for another title. Clippers can get next, but not before us.

A team that has already won championships and has been in the finals the past couple of decades doesn't deserve it more than a team that's only made it out of the first round two times in their team's history.

Fvck the Knicks.

[QuebecBaller]

As a hornets fan, i would like CP3 to stay( who doesn't :confusedshrug: ) But right now, the probability of him being traded is like 90%. So I would like him to see as a warrior or a clipper to see again a paul-chandler alley oop play or paul -griffin. That would be sick. I just hope hornets get the best deal possible. Im rooting for which ever team CP3 will play.

He WILL be traded

Getting S.Curry would be great. Hornets and Curry have a great history together

http://www.shutupnrelax.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Dell-Curry-The-Brilliant-Brawler.jpg

[Clippersfan86]

A team that has already won championships and has been in the finals the past couple of decades doesn't deserve it more than a team that's only made it out of the first round two times in their team's history.

Fvck the Knicks.

No kidding. Warriors have 1 playoff berth in 17 years? Clippers have 2 in 18 years? Warriors and Clippers "need" the change far more than the Knicks.

[Clippersfan86]

Was just reading BTW that CP3 will NOT sign an extension before trade even for Knicks. He wants to bank on one more fat contract at end of year. So basically these teams are risking A LOT trading for Paul. As a Clippers fan I hope we do not trade for CP3 now. 2012 Minny pick would essentially be locked into us for 5+ years. EJ and DJ can't go out for a non committed CP3!

[Darius]

^ Yah I was thinking that... at his age a 3 year contract would be a bad look for Paul.

Is it worth the Minny pick to have the inside track at signing him? Very risky...

... tbh I might still go for it though.

[Clippersfan86]

^ Yah I was thinking that... at his age a 3 year contract would be a bad look for Paul.

Is it worth the Minny pick to have the inside track at signing him? Very risky...

... tbh I might still go for it though.

Without EJ+DJ it's worth considering. Still a risk because what if 2012 pick is top 3?

[niko]

Hornets motivation should be shedding salary and getting close to the #1 pick which could make for a super quick rebuild. They are absolutely going the other way. Pick up enough pieces to stay mediocre. And since no Paul, it's lower mediocre,not upper mediocre. I don't get it.

[Darius]

Without EJ+DJ it's worth considering. Still a risk because what if 2012 pick is top 3?

It's a very tough call.

However, the Clippers are the brink... if they can get Paul and put together a deep playoff run it changes the perception of the franchise almost instantly.

With Clips history I think you go for it.

CP3 strikes me as a player that is about winning rather than kicking it with his buddies so if we make 2nd round I think he re-signs.

[Clippersfan86]

It's a very tough call.

However, the Clippers are the brink... if they can get Paul and put together a deep playoff run it changes the perception of the franchise almost instantly.

With Clips history I think you go for it.

CP3 strikes me as a player that is about winning rather than kicking it with his buddies so if we make 2nd round I think he re-signs.

I agree. CP3 is arguably the most competitive player in the league right there with Kobe. Like you said... once he wins right away with Clippers and realizes we have a VERY likable, young group of guys who are a close knit team.. he may realize this is the place for him. We cannot afford to throw DJ+EJ in the mix though if he's a 1 year rental for now.

[niko]

Was just reading BTW that CP3 will NOT sign an extension before trade even for Knicks. He wants to bank on one more fat contract at end of year. So basically these teams are risking A LOT trading for Paul. As a Clippers fan I hope we do not trade for CP3 now. 2012 Minny pick would essentially be locked into us for 5+ years. EJ and DJ can't go out for a non committed CP3!
it's the CBA. i kept saying he won't sign extension and people thought i was trolling the clips, it's not them, it's the fact he'll need to create in essence a new 2 year contract instead of a 4. makes no sense.

[Clippersfan86]

it's the CBA. i kept saying he won't sign extension and people thought i was trolling the clips, it's not them, it's the fact he'll need to create in essence a new 2 year contract instead of a 4. makes no sense.

Wonder what will happen. I'm thinking Warriors nab him because reports say they are way more desperate than Clips. The Clippers front office is confident that this group+2012 Minny pick+ plus a good SF like Caron Butler is enough to contend soon. I would have to agree. CP3 or no CP3 Clippers are in great shape.

[Cali Syndicate]

CP3 has given no indication he's gonna re-sign. At least with the Warriors he hasn't. Unless he does, I don't see the Warriors giving up Curry and Klay for one year with CP3. Curry has a bright future and Klay has the potential to be a cornerstone for this franchise along with Udoh.

I read a great suggestion tho. Without a extension guarantee, Warriors should demand dumping Biedrins into the trade that way they can save their amnesty for Lee, it they may choose to do so, which would give them cap room to make a run after some big marque names in 2012 FA like D-Will and Dwight.

[niko]

Wonder what will happen. I'm thinking Warriors nab him because reports say they are way more desperate than Clips. The Clippers front office is confident that this group+2012 Minny pick+ plus a good SF like Caron Butler is enough to contend soon. I would have to agree. CP3 or no CP3 Clippers are in great shape.
I don't see the need for the clips to send all their assets - i think he would resign with LA but i don't think it's a lock. It's not like the nets with Deron where they needed to make the trade as they were heading in the wrong direction. Clips are a good young team. They just need to make prudent decisions. Plus you never know what happens. Knicks got Melo a year later. Maybe Westbrook and Durant decide they hate each other. Maybe Lebron and Wade and CO self destruct and you can poach one of them. It sounds ridiculous but you just don't know. Losing that flexibility for CP3 and then possibly losing CP3 is not a road to take. That doesn't mean do't do it, they just need to think it through carefully.

[Clippersfan86]

CP3 has given no indication he's gonna re-sign. At least with the Warriors he hasn't. Unless he does, I don't see the Warriors giving up Curry and Klay for one year with CP3. Curry has a bright future and Klay has the potential to be a cornerstone for this franchise along with Udoh.

I read a great suggestion tho. Without a extension guarantee, Warriors should demand dumping Biedrins into the trade that way they can save their amnesty for Lee, it they may choose to do so, which would give them cap room to make a run after some big marque names in 2012 FA like D-Will and Dwight.

It's definitely a high risk, high reward type situation for both Warriors and Clippers. Curry is a very valuable asset for you guys.. and our 2012 Minny pick is a serious trade chip/value. When we start including young, high upside players like Bledsoe and Aminu it becomes even more risky.

[Clippersfan86]

I don't see the need for the clips to send all their assets - i think he would resign with LA but i don't think it's a lock. It's not like the nets with Deron where they needed to make the trade as they were heading in the wrong direction. Clips are a good young team. They just need to make prudent decisions. Plus you never know what happens. Knicks got Melo a year later. Maybe Westbrook and Durant decide they hate each other. Maybe Lebron and Wade and CO self destruct and you can poach one of them. It sounds ridiculous but you just don't know. Losing that flexibility for CP3 and then possibly losing CP3 is not a road to take. That doesn't mean do't do it, they just need to think it through carefully.

Yup. Clippers are at a fragile point. If they make 1-2 great moves they shoot into contender status. If they make 1-2 stupid moves.. it's back to the lottery for 10 years. They are in a make or break situation. Trade too much and have CP3 walk and you're set back 5 years.

[Darius]

Wonder what will happen. I'm thinking Warriors nab him because reports say they are way more desperate than Clips. The Clippers front office is confident that this group+2012 Minny pick+ plus a good SF like Caron Butler is enough to contend soon. I would have to agree. CP3 or no CP3 Clippers are in great shape.

Thing with the Warriors is they'd be crazy to give up significant assets for CP3... that team cannot contend with Monte/David Lee and CP3.

Monte and David Lee are like the sh:tty versions of Eric Gordon and Blake Griffin.

CP3 would never re-sign with them... at least with the Clippers they'd have a chance to go deep in the playoffs and he might after that.