LBJ Opens up to Rachel Nichols

[sixer6ad]

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7322249

Sorry if this was posted earlier. This interview is kind of a wow! Tired of playing the villain...sorry for the way he left...wants to have fun again. Someone does not like being hated.

[Meticode]

I think it's funny people a month or two ago were like "I like him embracing the "villain" role." Now he's totally shying away from it and wants to be liked.

[hammer2010]

I think it's funny people a month or two ago were like "I like him embracing the "villain" role." Now he's totally shying away from it and wants to be liked.

LeBron's ego since about grade 11 was built around being 'the chosen one', being that global icon, 'the first billionaire athlete'. LeBron cannot be the player he is if he continues to be hated by large segments of fans and doesn't live up to the expectations of the first billionaire athlete or global icon. I think his confidence would be shattered and his will to compete would be destroyed and he would become very limited as a result.

It's kind of sad really if that happens. He has the talent to be something really special.

[WoGiTaLiA1]

I think his confidence would be shattered and his will to compete would be destroyed and he would become very limited as a result.

So kind of like how he played in the Finals, again?

Also... I totally read the headline as LBG Opens up Rachel Nichols and figured it was going to be about him plowing her.

[swi7ch]

Am I the only one who has a crush on Rachel Nichols? I think it's the hair color...

[Inception28]

i thought this was vid was going to be about him coming out of the closet.

[jlip]

Cool interview. I, for one, could care less about Lebron as a "hero' or "villain". All the soap opera, extra curricular garbage is pretty meaningless to me. I just like to see him play the game to the best of his abilities.

[hammer2010]

Good for him. I think LeBron is being more honest and is starting to admit he made mistakes. The fans will embrace him again in a season or two.

[Patrick Bateman]

Am I the only one who has a crush on Rachel Nichols? I think it's the hair color...

Not quite blonde, is she? More of a dirty blonde.

[305Baller]

Rachel's looking good. Ladies?

:roll:

[El Kabong]

Well maybe he wouldn't be so hated if he just shut his mouth and played basketball.

[UtahJazzFan88]

Well maybe he wouldn't be so hated if he just shut his mouth and played basketball.

+1, LeBron needs to shut up and stay off Twitter, people aren't going to care about that football stuff, or buddy buddy stuff with other players. Shut up and win games.

Side note: I am disappointed that LeBron's return to Cleveland isn't even on NBATV. Even if it's not that big of a deal this year.

[WeGetRing2012]

Whatever.... he acts like he wasnt an a** in Cleveland. He was a douche before the "decision" and he will be one after the "decision"

Side note: What the F*** did he do to his hairline??? Its growing back for some reason.. putting his money to good use I see

[kumquat]

Well you can't be an asshole and expect people to like you. Nice one Lebron.

[Blue&Orange]

Side note: What the F*** did he do to his hairline??? Its growing back for some reason.. putting his money to good use I see
I heard he also went to Germany, and got the same treatment Kobe had for his knees, for his hairline.

Funny thing, i was watching the video and it stopped, "lost connection with the server", one could say the video "choked", Lebron is cursed.

[L.Kizzle]

So kind of like how he played in the Finals, again?

Also... I totally read the headline as LBG Opens up Rachel Nichols and figured it was going to be about him plowing her.
Mr. I'm So Rad much?

[pegasus]

I waited for him to say "I wanna a puppy for Christmas" at the end.:lol

[TheAesirsFinest]

I heard he also went to Germany, and got the same treatment Kobe had for his knees, for his hairline.

Funny thing, i was watching the video and it stopped, "lost connection with the server", one could say the video "choked", Lebron is cursed.

Trying too hard.

OT: Good for him. His "embracing the villain" act was shaky at best. I'm glad he has seemingly matured. Now, let's see if his game has matured from the wreck that was his Heat game.

I'm a bit surprised there aren't more morons in here lapping this shit up and saying he doesn't have the assassin's mentality for it.

[Indian guy]

Still seems very unaware of why his play in the Finals was so inexcusable. Boiling his failure down to a lack of "game changing plays" makes him look completely deluded. Rachel Nichols even prompted him to admit on his perplexing lack of aggressiveness being THE issue, yet he kept going on some garbage about not having those "momentum plays". Yeah, that was the problem :rolleyes:

The problem, LeBron, was that you happen to be a superstar, yet played with the responsibility of a role player. That was the problem. People can live with a bad series. What nobody can live with is not trying. How does LeBron not see this?

[WeGetRing2012]

Trying too hard.

OT: Good for him. His "embracing the villain" act was shaky at best. I'm glad he has seemingly matured. Now, let's see if his game has matured from the wreck that was his Heat game.

I'm a bit surprised there aren't more morons in here lapping this shit up and saying he doesn't have the assassin's mentality for it.

He's going into his 8th year and so far he has been all talk. We saw what his "mental notes" did last season, and how fullifilled his promise of bringing a championship to Cleveland. When we actually see him show up when its important maybe interviews like this will have more of an effect.

[Balla_Status]

Did Rachel Nichols open up for Lebron?

[pegasus]

Trying too hard.

OT: Good for him. His "embracing the villain" act was shaky at best. I'm glad he has seemingly matured. Now, let's see if his game has matured from the wreck that was his Heat game.

I'm a bit surprised there aren't more morons in here lapping this shit up and saying he doesn't have the assassin's mentality for it.

During the last year's exit interview, he was pretty much saying that he was gonna go back to living his extravagant life like nothing has happened. But now he's saying that he didn't leave the house and didn't talk to anyone for two weeks.
I'm more inclined to believe what he said when he didn't have the time or the PR team to help him figure out what's appropriate to say.

This whole interview is a sad attempt to make him likable again, and IMO, it fails.

[LakersReign]

Lebron constantly HAS TO pander to the media since they're the ones who gave him that ridiculous "King James" persona. All that "oh...I love being hated" crap was a product of his boy Maverick Carter's warped marketing strategy. If that were even true, then why was he acting like a little b**ch after the Finals last year?! IMO, he needs to shut up, hit the gym, develop a post game, and stop trying to play like a PG in a PF's body. I mean really just how many more pathetic attempts at a buzzer beater are we going to have to suffer through?! :facepalm

[cuad]

Ha if you think Rachel Nichols looks that good always you should see her asking questions at a press conference.

[Bcogswell]

He needs to stop worrying about if people like him or not, and just play the game.

[DFish]

LeBron needs to stop being a diva, stay off television and just show up to play some goddamn basketball.

[LAClipsFan33]

The guy is still a human...people treat him like he's a rapist or serial killer

[9erEmpire]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRWXtM5nb2k&feature=related

[The_Yearning]

Funny he mentioned the high school championship game... he's been a loser all his life.

[OmniStrife]

The guy is still a human...people treat him like he's a rapist or serial killer

http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/original/000/000/681/what-you-did-there-i-see-it.thumbnail.jpg

[brisbaneman]

Odds he makes it to age 40?

[knightfall88]

man he is so pathetic:facepalm begging for sympathy now

[LAClipsFan33]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/original/000/000/681/what-you-did-there-i-see-it.thumbnail.jpg

If your talking about Kobe...he's not a rapist either

[Phong]

LeBron: After the Finals I sat in my room for two weeks.
Did absolutely nothing. Talked to absolutely nobody.

Game 6: June 12, 2011
Lebron James Spotted On Vacation In The Bahamas
June 14, 2011 12:05 pm

Lebron James was spotted on vacation in the Bahamas after a devastating loss to the Dallas Mavericks at the NBA Championship game. Bron Bron was photoed smiling as he walked down the street with a bodyguard.
http://cdn.theurbandaily.com/files/2011/06/Lebron-James-in-the-Bahamas.jpg
:lol

[brisbaneman]

:lol

is this for real? if so i hate lebron even more now than before.

[Unforgiven]

The guy is still a human...people treat him like he's a rapist or serial killer

This is what I don't understand. Yeah he made an error in judgement like 'the announcement' etc, What I don't get is why people continue to hate on him so hard. People get off on seeing him fail.

Seriously the Mavs played great. Dirk was fantastic and Terry came up massively when needed, but all the majority could care about was how Lebron ''didn't try'' etc, not about how good the Mavs were.

Lebron does these interviews and people rip into him... If Lebron does no interviews then apparantly he is buying into the 'vilan' role, and neglecting the public and his fans etc... Lebron can do nothing right by some people, it's pathetic.

He has made some bad choices and mistakes mistakes no doubt, but the way he is treated is a bit over the top surely :confusedshrug: .

[Lebron23]

This is what I don't understand. Yeah he made an error in judgement like 'the announcement' etc, What I don't get is why people continue to hate on him so hard. People get off on seeing him fail.

Seriously the Mavs played great. Dirk was fantastic and Terry came up massively when needed, but all the majority could care about was how Lebron ''didn't try'' etc, not about how good the Mavs were.

Lebron does these interviews and people rip into him... If Lebron does no interviews then apparantly he is buying into the 'vilan' role, and neglecting the public and his fans etc... Lebron can do nothing right by some people, it's pathetic.

He has made some bad choices and mistakes mistakes no doubt, but the way he is treated is a bit over the top surely :confusedshrug: .

This is actually the most reasonable post in this thread. I hope LeBron finally wins an NBA Championship this season.

PS:

Just put the trolls on your ignore lists. No need to waste your time and energy reading their biased posts.

[brisbaneman]

This is what I don't understand. Yeah he made an error in judgement like 'the announcement' etc, What I don't get is why people continue to hate on him so hard. People get off on seeing him fail.

Seriously the Mavs played great. Dirk was fantastic and Terry came up massively when needed, but all the majority could care about was how Lebron ''didn't try'' etc, not about how good the Mavs were.

Lebron does these interviews and people rip into him... If Lebron does no interviews then apparantly he is buying into the 'vilan' role, and neglecting the public and his fans etc... Lebron can do nothing right by some people, it's pathetic.

He has made some bad choices and mistakes mistakes no doubt, but the way he is treated is a bit over the top surely :confusedshrug: .

The problem is he brought it all upon himself. You can't be the boy who cried wolf and then cry when people turn on you.

[Phong]

is this for real?[QUOTE]Lebron James Escapes To The Bahamas

Lebron James didn

[brisbaneman]

I stayed in my room for 2 weeks.. all alone and sad.. please pity me now! :cry:

:facepalm

Wow he really is a piece of shit. I wish the media would just stop talking about him and giving him attention. We all know he has no heart and is a loser.

[Reverend Hoops]

Bron is a pretty mediocre heel. He has to win a title.

[Unforgiven]

This is actually the most reasonable post in this thread. I hope LeBron finally wins an NBA Championship this season.

PS:

Just put the trolls on your ignore lists. No need to waste your time and energy reading their biased posts.

Yeah good advice actually, sometimes it's too easy to get caught up in posts without reason.


The problem is he brought it all upon himself. You can't be the boy who cried wolf and then cry when people turn on you.

I understand your point, though do you honestly feel that Lebrons actions have merited such a response? I definitely recognize Lebron has played a major role in being potrayed the way he is now, I just can't quite comprehend as too why the hate/dislike has gotten to this magnitude.

Really, we're talking about a sport here, something that's ment to be entertaining and bring enjoyment to people, yet so many people seem consumed about embracing this hate/negativity, it's a shame really.

[LAClipsFan33]

Really, we're talking about a sport here, something that's ment to be entertaining and bring enjoyment to people, yet so many people seem consumed about embracing this hate/negativity, it's a shame really.

:cheers:

[bdreason]

LeBron is going to have a great year, that's for sure.

[Unforgiven]

LeBron is going to have a great year, that's for sure.

Yeh either way it's going to be great to watch unfold. It's the guys like Lebron that make the NBA worth watching, I just can't wait for the season to start, so pumped.

[Sakkreth]

That's a step into the right direction for him, atleast mentally.

[Vienceslav]

I wish they never started with the villain bullshit.
That

[Kingwillball]

Its all well and good but I rather hear him say He rededicated himself in the Gym in the offseason improving his Low Post game and also Lost Some weight to get back some athleticism.

[DFish]

[QUOTE=Vienceslav]I wish they never started with the villain bullshit.
That

[Deuce Bigalow]

The guy is still a human...people treat him like he's a rapist or serial killer

http://gcbeingpc.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/kobe-scowl1.jpg

[senelcoolidge]

Wade has to win the championship, so Lebron can have one too.

[LakersReign]

Lebron fans really need to stop trying to bring up that farce of a rape case garbage from '03 like it has something to do with anything. Honestly, it's been over 8 years and it's SERIOUSLY played the hell out. Like bringing that up will SOMEHOW make Lebron develop a post game, become a passer, and win the NBA championship. Or change the fact that he did Cleveland wrong with his decision. NOBODY ELSE remembers that nonsense, or even wastes their time continuing to talk about it.

Get a clue. :blah

[Lucifer]

So he basically got the questions in advance and his PR team told him what to say :lol

Lebron's a joke just STOP talking and play.

[WeGetRing2012]

This is what I don't understand. Yeah he made an error in judgement like 'the announcement' etc, What I don't get is why people continue to hate on him so hard. People get off on seeing him fail.

Seriously the Mavs played great. Dirk was fantastic and Terry came up massively when needed, but all the majority could care about was how Lebron ''didn't try'' etc, not about how good the Mavs were.

Lebron does these interviews and people rip into him... If Lebron does no interviews then apparantly he is buying into the 'vilan' role, and neglecting the public and his fans etc... Lebron can do nothing right by some people, it's pathetic.

He has made some bad choices and mistakes mistakes no doubt, but the way he is treated is a bit over the top surely :confusedshrug: .

People dont HATE lebron no one knows him enough to hate him. We dont like what we know about him. Big difference to me. Everyone is not entitled to like him.

[Soundwave]

Honestly this is what happens when you let your damn high school friends be your PR agents.

The "Decision" TV special was a huge blunder and LeBron should have fired his "team" immediately for that. If Nike was handling his career with full control, they never would've allowed that.

NEVER go into business with your "boys" (no, it doesn't ever work out like Turtle's tequila brand). Business is business.

But beyond that ... really this guy didn't do anything wrong. He gave 7 very good seasons to Cleveland, took them on his back to an NBA Finals, and gave them a ton of time to find a Scottie Pippen/Kobe Bryant/even a Penny Hardaway level talent to play opposite and build with, and the best he got was an way past-his-prime Shaquille O' Neal and made the Cavs franchise a ton of money.

He had every right as a free agent to choose to go elsewhere. He took a substantially less money to do so. He just wanted to play on a credible title contender with more than one good player on it. And sorry Chuck, you demanding a trade out of Philly to go play with a better team in Phoenix isn't much different, you just wasted a few extra years of your career before wising up.

[Nick Young]

This is what I don't understand. Yeah he made an error in judgement like 'the announcement' etc, What I don't get is why people continue to hate on him so hard. People get off on seeing him fail.

Seriously the Mavs played great. Dirk was fantastic and Terry came up massively when needed, but all the majority could care about was how Lebron ''didn't try'' etc, not about how good the Mavs were.

Lebron does these interviews and people rip into him... If Lebron does no interviews then apparantly he is buying into the 'vilan' role, and neglecting the public and his fans etc... Lebron can do nothing right by some people, it's pathetic.

He has made some bad choices and mistakes mistakes no doubt, but the way he is treated is a bit over the top surely :confusedshrug: .
how do you defend him for saying he sat in his room in sadness two weeks after the finals when actually he was partying with a smile on his face in the bahamas?

[LakersReign]

Honestly this is what happens when you let your damn high school friends be your PR agents.

The "Decision" TV special was a huge blunder and LeBron should have fired his "team" immediately for that. If Nike was handling his career with full control, they never would've allowed that.

NEVER go into business with your "boys" (no, it doesn't ever work out like Turtle's tequila brand). Business is business.

But beyond that ... really this guy didn't do anything wrong. He gave 7 very good seasons to Cleveland, took them on his back to an NBA Finals, and gave them a ton of time to find a Scottie Pippen/Kobe Bryant/even a Penny Hardaway level talent to play opposite and build with, and the best he got was an way past-his-prime Shaquille O' Neal and made the Cavs franchise a ton of money.

He had every right as a free agent to choose to go elsewhere. He took a substantially less money to do so. He just wanted to play on a credible title contender with more than one good player on it. And sorry Chuck, you demanding a trade out of Philly to go play with a better team in Phoenix isn't much different, you just wasted a few extra years of your career before wising up.


Love hearing that excuse. Never mind the fact that 1) for those same 7 years in Cleveland, us Laker fans had to hear all those bandwagon Lebron/Cavs/Heat fans chanting Cavs/Lakers Finals. But remember, those are the same Cavs, who so supposedly sucked with the choke artist known as Mo Williams who was supposedly going to have these supposed career games against the old man Derek Fisher....right?! 2) NONE....LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN....N-O-N-E of y'all thought Shaq was so supposedly past his prime when it was "oh....win a ring for the King." But NOW, since they lost, it's "oh....well...he was past his prime anyway." :wtf: Can't have it both ways. :no:

Oh, and by the way, Barkley going to Phoenix is NOTHING like Lebron leaving the supposed horrors of Cleveland to go to Miami. Charles wasn't the #1 free agent on the market at that time, nor was he labeled as the supposed "chosen one" or next MJ. Nor did he have a 1 hour special on ESPN to announce he was going to PHX. That logic is fatally flawed and when you guys go there, it's way obvious you're reaching. :rolleyes:

[Quickening]

[/U][/B]


Love hearing that excuse. Never mind the fact that 1) for those same 7 years in Cleveland, us Laker fans had to hear all those bandwagon Lebron/Cavs/Heat fans chanting Cavs/Lakers Finals. But remember, those are the same Cavs, who so supposedly sucked with the choke artist known as Mo Williams who was supposedly going to have these supposed career games against the old man Derek Fisher....right?! 2) NONE....LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN....N-O-N-E of y'all thought Shaq was so supposedly past his prime when it was "oh....win a ring for the King." But NOW, since they lost, it's "oh....well...he was past his prime anyway." :wtf: Can't have it both ways. :no:


Come on now, O'neal was well past his prime, and Lebron didn't have a great supporting cast in Cleveland.

[comerb]

He really just needs to keep his mouth shut and play.

[Unforgiven]

People dont HATE lebron no one knows him enough to hate him. We dont like what we know about him. Big difference to me. Everyone is not entitled to like him.

No doubt people are entitled to make that choice, I'm not trying to say everyone should love and worship him either, just in the landscape of the NBA I think he has an absurd amount of criticism going his way (not just from fans). Like I said before I do recognize he has brought a large portion of this upon himself.


It will be interesting to see if Lebron is ever as liked as he once was (discount Cleaveland fans out of the equation), or can ever gain some respect of those who don't particularly like him.

[Nick Young]

Come on now, O'neal was well past his prime, and Lebron didn't have a great supporting cast in Cleveland.
Before the playoffs of Lebron's final season with Cleveland he had what was called by basically all of ISH, every Cavs fan, every media and basketball pundit 'the deepest team in the league'. Antawn Jamison was the missing link and Mo Williams was an allstar. Then Lebron gets his mystery fake elbow injury vs Chicago. The playoff run ends after Lebron underperforms against the Celtics and suddenly 'the deepest team in the league' (every cavs fan said this) became a weak supporting cast and Lebron had absolutely no help. Why the sudden 100% change opinion people? Stop making so many excuses for this idiot, he already makes enough excuses for himself

[guy]

This is what I don't understand. Yeah he made an error in judgement like 'the announcement' etc, What I don't get is why people continue to hate on him so hard. People get off on seeing him fail.

Seriously the Mavs played great. Dirk was fantastic and Terry came up massively when needed, but all the majority could care about was how Lebron ''didn't try'' etc, not about how good the Mavs were.

Lebron does these interviews and people rip into him... If Lebron does no interviews then apparantly he is buying into the 'vilan' role, and neglecting the public and his fans etc... Lebron can do nothing right by some people, it's pathetic.

He has made some bad choices and mistakes mistakes no doubt, but the way he is treated is a bit over the top surely :confusedshrug: .

Well, the man has continuously given people other reasons to criticize him since the decision. Off the top of my head, there were the unexpected struggles of the Heat in the beginning of the year, the unexpected struggles of Lebron in the clutch during the season, his interview where he said him and his friends never liked Cleveland growing up, the controversial Nike commercial, his comment supporting contraction then retracting that comment, his breakdown after they beat the Celtics, his horrible Finals which is probably the worst in history from a superstar of his caliber, his postfinals press conference, and now this.

I mean really, the guy just needs to shut up and stop drawing attention to himself. It just sounds like he's begging people not to hate him, and the sad part is if he's deluded enough to initially think that people weren't going to hate him for the decision, specifically people from Ohio, he's probably deluded enough to think this interview was actually going to make him less hated. He doesn't have to "embrace" any kind of role. Just shut up and stop talking about it.

[guy]

Before the playoffs of Lebron's final season with Cleveland he had what was called by basically all of ISH, every Cavs fan, every media and basketball pundit 'the deepest team in the league'. Antawn Jamison was the missing link and Mo Williams was an allstar. Then Lebron gets his mystery fake elbow injury vs Chicago. The playoff run ends after Lebron underperforms against the Celtics and suddenly 'the deepest team in the league' (every cavs fan said this) became a weak supporting cast and Lebron had absolutely no help. Why the sudden 100% change opinion people? Stop making so many excuses for this idiot, he already makes enough excuses for himself

I really don't see how Dirk's supporting cast this year in Dallas was any better then Lebron's in 2010.

[guy]

:lol


That is just ridiculous. I don't see how any fan can think he's a likeable guy anymore, at least from our perspective.

[Vertical-24]

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7322249

Sorry if this was posted earlier. This interview is kind of a wow! Tired of playing the villain...sorry for the way he left...wants to have fun again. Someone does not like being hated.

Who does? LeBron was the golden-child of the ESPN network / NBA since the day he came in. He was used to the the positive publicity he had received before-hand. When he left Cleveland, became known as a traitor and a ring-hound, the same media that built him up had now crucified him. This happens all the time, look at the President Obama story.

LeBron is a great talent and while I was never the biggest fan, it really is sad he received so much negative attention. But hey, the guy is still a fan-favorite and while he's hated by more than before, he'll still be the NBA's prodigal son. He'll probably win a ring this year, get criticized for having to do it with a Super-Team and move on to the next season.

[Ruutu]

NBA is all about drama and money ! Thats why Lebron was made to villan. It is heading more to the direction like wrestling and show and all that bullshit!
Years back it was more about basketball and sports...miss the good old days!

[stallionaire]

NBA is all about drama and money ! Thats why Lebron was made to villan. It is heading more to the direction like wrestling and show and all that bullshit!
Years back it was more about basketball and sports...miss the good old days!

Same here man. The people who post on ISH remind me of WWF fans back when I was a kid.

[pegasus]

LeBron: After the Finals I sat in my room for two weeks.
Did absolutely nothing. Talked to absolutely nobody.

Game 6: June 12, 2011


Lebron James Spotted On Vacation In The Bahamas
June 14, 2011 12:05 pm

Lebron James was spotted on vacation in the Bahamas after a devastating loss to the Dallas Mavericks at the NBA Championship game. Bron Bron was photoed smiling as he walked down the street with a bodyguard.


http://cdn.theurbandaily.com/files/2011/06/Lebron-James-in-the-Bahamas.jpg


Wow he really is a piece of shit. I wish the media would just stop talking about him and giving him attention. We all know he has no heart and is a loser.

Wow, just WOW!!! Phong exposing the shit out of Lebron again!:applause:

Had I not hated him already, this would have been enough for me to hate him now. He's got zero redeeming quality. Just one big giant mess of an ugly personality.:facepalm

[RRR3]

The LeBron hate is just getting sickening. At worst, LeBron is guilty of being arrogant and tactless, and yet you'd think he was a serial murderer and rapist the way people talk about him. What the **** do you want him to do? He admitted he was bad in the finals, isn't that what you wanted? If LeBron says he fails, he's "mentally weak". If he doesn't, he's "arrogant". No matter what LeBron says or does, you find some way to twist it into making him look like an asshole. At this point, why do you even care if you're not a Cavs fan? Get the **** over it. There is probably no player in NBA history who had to deal with the insane expectations that LBJ has had since day 1, and he has met them for the most part. No matter what he does, you don't give him credit, and you constantly find ways to rag on him. It's just sad at this point. And, before I get any immature unoriginal bullshit replies like "LOL U Mad?" or "LeBrick choked hahah" just stuff it. You're damn right I'm mad, I don't think LeBron deserves this hatred 24/7 for every little thing he does. He makes a comment after the Finals which everyone takes to mean "haha my life>yours" which was not what I got out of it all...it sounded to me like LeBron was saying that it's just a game and we can all move on with our lives. HE had a right to be defensive and irritated with all the shit he gets. Furthermore, how come no one ever brings up the fact that the very next day LBJ said clarified what he meant and said "I would never mean to say I am better than any man or woman on this earth" (not an exact quote, something along those lines though)?" Oh right, it doesn't fit your ****ing agendas where LeBron is an evil, arrogant, choking loser who is destroying the world and deserves to be in jail for saying what he thinks and not going through life without making any mistakes. LeBron is not a bad person, he wants people to like him, and for much of his career everyone (except a few idiots) did. Now, he makes a decision that he admits was tactless and he is treated like Jeffrey Dahmer. Grow the **** up, and get a ****ing life.





/Rant

[stallionaire]

The LeBron hate is just getting sickening. At worst, LeBron is guilty of being arrogant and tactless, and yet you'd think he was a serial murderer and rapist the way people talk about him. What the **** do you want him to do? He admitted he was bad in the finals, isn't that what you wanted? If LeBron says he fails, he's "mentally weak". If he doesn't, he's "arrogant". No matter what LeBron says or does, you find some way to twist it into making him look like an asshole. At this point, why do you even care if you're not a Cavs fan? Get the **** over it. There is probably no player in NBA history who had to deal with the insane expectations that LBJ has had since day 1, and he has met them for the most part. No matter what he does, you don't give him credit, and you constantly find ways to rag on him. It's just sad at this point. And, before I get any immature unoriginal bullshit replies like "LOL U Mad?" or "LeBrick choked hahah" just stuff it. You're damn right I'm mad, I don't think LeBron deserves this hatred 24/7 for every little thing he does. He makes a comment after the Finals which everyone takes to mean "haha my life>yours" which was not what I got out of it all...it sounded to me like LeBron was saying that it's just a game and we can all move on with our lives. HE had a right to be defensive and irritated with all the shit he gets. Furthermore, how come no one ever brings up the fact that the very next day LBJ said clarified what he meant and said "I would never mean to say I am better than any man or woman on this earth" (not an exact quote, something along those lines though)?" Oh right, it doesn't fit your ****ing agendas where LeBron is an evil, arrogant, choking loser who is destroying the world and deserves to be in jail for saying what he thinks and not going through life without making any mistakes. LeBron is not a bad person, he wants people to like him, and for much of his career everyone (except a few idiots) did. Now, he makes a decision that he admits was tactless and he is treated like Jeffrey Dahmer. Grow the **** up, and get a ****ing life.





/Rant

Truth.

[LakersReign]

Come on now, O'neal was well past his prime, and Lebron didn't have a great supporting cast in Cleveland.


Keep saying that NOW all y'all want to, but I can still go to ANY....LET ME REPEAT THAT....A-N-Y Cavs blog or sports message and pull up all that crap y'all were spouting back then. And it surely wasn't "oh....well...Shaq was past his prime and Lebron had no help." Notice how you can't find NOT ONE supposed real Cavs fan outside of Cleveland now?! Why is that?! Please. :facepalm

[LakersReign]

The LeBron hate is just getting sickening. At worst, LeBron is guilty of being arrogant and tactless, and yet you'd think he was a serial murderer and rapist the way people talk about him. What the **** do you want him to do? He admitted he was bad in the finals, isn't that what you wanted? If LeBron says he fails, he's "mentally weak". If he doesn't, he's "arrogant". No matter what LeBron says or does, you find some way to twist it into making him look like an asshole. At this point, why do you even care if you're not a Cavs fan? Get the **** over it. There is probably no player in NBA history who had to deal with the insane expectations that LBJ has had since day 1, and he has met them for the most part. No matter what he does, you don't give him credit, and you constantly find ways to rag on him. It's just sad at this point. And, before I get any immature unoriginal bullshit replies like "LOL U Mad?" or "LeBrick choked hahah" just stuff it. You're damn right I'm mad, I don't think LeBron deserves this hatred 24/7 for every little thing he does. He makes a comment after the Finals which everyone takes to mean "haha my life>yours" which was not what I got out of it all...it sounded to me like LeBron was saying that it's just a game and we can all move on with our lives. HE had a right to be defensive and irritated with all the shit he gets. Furthermore, how come no one ever brings up the fact that the very next day LBJ said clarified what he meant and said "I would never mean to say I am better than any man or woman on this earth" (not an exact quote, something along those lines though)?" Oh right, it doesn't fit your ****ing agendas where LeBron is an evil, arrogant, choking loser who is destroying the world and deserves to be in jail for saying what he thinks and not going through life without making any mistakes. LeBron is not a bad person, he wants people to like him, and for much of his career everyone (except a few idiots) did. Now, he makes a decision that he admits was tactless and he is treated like Jeffrey Dahmer. Grow the **** up, and get a ****ing life.





/Rant


A lot of y'all Lebron fans HYPOCRITICALLY sit there and do exactly the same thing to Kobe, so stop trying to act all innocent. What has Kobe ever done to garner such hatred?! Oh yeah....that's right. He's worked his a** off, a whole hell of a lot harder than Lebron EVER has, for like what almost 16 years, and gotten Z-E-R-O credit for it, he's arrogant, he's selfish, he's a douche, he's a ballhog, he ran Shaq out of LA, he can't win without Shaq, he can't win without Gasol. And let's not forget the best one of all.....he's a rapist" from like what 8 YEARS AGO....right?! Welcome to the other side. :violin:

[zizozain]

The LeBron hate is just getting sickening. At worst, LeBron is guilty of being arrogant and tactless, and yet you'd think he was a serial murderer and rapist the way people talk about him. What the **** do you want him to do? He admitted he was bad in the finals, isn't that what you wanted? If LeBron says he fails, he's "mentally weak". If he doesn't, he's "arrogant". No matter what LeBron says or does, you find some way to twist it into making him look like an asshole. At this point, why do you even care if you're not a Cavs fan? Get the **** over it. There is probably no player in NBA history who had to deal with the insane expectations that LBJ has had since day 1, and he has met them for the most part. No matter what he does, you don't give him credit, and you constantly find ways to rag on him. It's just sad at this point. And, before I get any immature unoriginal bullshit replies like "LOL U Mad?" or "LeBrick choked hahah" just stuff it. You're damn right I'm mad, I don't think LeBron deserves this hatred 24/7 for every little thing he does. He makes a comment after the Finals which everyone takes to mean "haha my life>yours" which was not what I got out of it all...it sounded to me like LeBron was saying that it's just a game and we can all move on with our lives. HE had a right to be defensive and irritated with all the shit he gets. Furthermore, how come no one ever brings up the fact that the very next day LBJ said clarified what he meant and said "I would never mean to say I am better than any man or woman on this earth" (not an exact quote, something along those lines though)?" Oh right, it doesn't fit your ****ing agendas where LeBron is an evil, arrogant, choking loser who is destroying the world and deserves to be in jail for saying what he thinks and not going through life without making any mistakes. LeBron is not a bad person, he wants people to like him, and for much of his career everyone (except a few idiots) did. Now, he makes a decision that he admits was tactless and he is treated like Jeffrey Dahmer. Grow the **** up, and get a ****ing life.





/Rant

"LOL U Mad?"
"LeBrick choked hahah"

negged

[chazzy]

The LeBron hate is just getting sickening. At worst, LeBron is guilty of being arrogant and tactless, and yet you'd think he was a serial murderer and rapist the way people talk about him. What the **** do you want him to do? He admitted he was bad in the finals, isn't that what you wanted? If LeBron says he fails, he's "mentally weak". If he doesn't, he's "arrogant". No matter what LeBron says or does, you find some way to twist it into making him look like an asshole. At this point, why do you even care if you're not a Cavs fan? Get the **** over it. There is probably no player in NBA history who had to deal with the insane expectations that LBJ has had since day 1, and he has met them for the most part. No matter what he does, you don't give him credit, and you constantly find ways to rag on him. It's just sad at this point. And, before I get any immature unoriginal bullshit replies like "LOL U Mad?" or "LeBrick choked hahah" just stuff it. You're damn right I'm mad, I don't think LeBron deserves this hatred 24/7 for every little thing he does. He makes a comment after the Finals which everyone takes to mean "haha my life>yours" which was not what I got out of it all...it sounded to me like LeBron was saying that it's just a game and we can all move on with our lives. HE had a right to be defensive and irritated with all the shit he gets. Furthermore, how come no one ever brings up the fact that the very next day LBJ said clarified what he meant and said "I would never mean to say I am better than any man or woman on this earth" (not an exact quote, something along those lines though)?" Oh right, it doesn't fit your ****ing agendas where LeBron is an evil, arrogant, choking loser who is destroying the world and deserves to be in jail for saying what he thinks and not going through life without making any mistakes. LeBron is not a bad person, he wants people to like him, and for much of his career everyone (except a few idiots) did. Now, he makes a decision that he admits was tactless and he is treated like Jeffrey Dahmer. Grow the **** up, and get a ****ing life.





/Rant
Gloria?

[RRR3]

A lot of y'all Lebron fans HYPOCRITICALLY sit there and do exactly the same thing to Kobe, so stop trying to act all innocent. Kobe has worked his a** off, a whole hell of a lot harder than Lebron EVER has, for like what almost 16 years and NONE of y'all can give him ANY credit at all. All y'all can say is the same old PLAYED OUT nonsense, "Oh....well....he's arrogant....he's selfish....he's a douche....he's a ballhog....he ran Shaq out of LA....Kobe can't win without Shaq....Kobe can't win without Gasol....he's a rapist" from like what 8 YEARS AGO!!!! Welcome to the other side. :violin:

What the ****? I didn't mention Kobe, you ****. GTFO

[Blue&Orange]

The LeBron hate is just getting sickening.

Idiots like you are sickening.

you find some way to twist it into making him look like an asshole.

Humm no, he is an asshole, pretty obvious, maybe you should clean Lebron's jizz from you ears and eyes.


He makes a comment after the Finals which everyone takes to mean "haha my life>yours" which was not what I got out of it all...it sounded to me like LeBron was saying that it's just a game and we can all move on with our lives.
No dude he said his life >>> ours, it's your sick brain that is twisting what he said. You are mentally ill.

[pegasus]

The LeBron hate is just getting sickening. At worst, LeBron is guilty of being arrogant and tactless, and yet you'd think he was a serial murderer and rapist the way people talk about him. What the **** do you want him to do? He admitted he was bad in the finals, isn't that what you wanted? If LeBron says he fails, he's "mentally weak". If he doesn't, he's "arrogant". No matter what LeBron says or does, you find some way to twist it into making him look like an asshole. At this point, why do you even care if you're not a Cavs fan? Get the **** over it. There is probably no player in NBA history who had to deal with the insane expectations that LBJ has had since day 1, and he has met them for the most part. No matter what he does, you don't give him credit, and you constantly find ways to rag on him. It's just sad at this point. And, before I get any immature unoriginal bullshit replies like "LOL U Mad?" or "LeBrick choked hahah" just stuff it. You're damn right I'm mad, I don't think LeBron deserves this hatred 24/7 for every little thing he does. He makes a comment after the Finals which everyone takes to mean "haha my life>yours" which was not what I got out of it all...it sounded to me like LeBron was saying that it's just a game and we can all move on with our lives. HE had a right to be defensive and irritated with all the shit he gets. Furthermore, how come no one ever brings up the fact that the very next day LBJ said clarified what he meant and said "I would never mean to say I am better than any man or woman on this earth" (not an exact quote, something along those lines though)?" Oh right, it doesn't fit your ****ing agendas where LeBron is an evil, arrogant, choking loser who is destroying the world and deserves to be in jail for saying what he thinks and not going through life without making any mistakes. LeBron is not a bad person, he wants people to like him, and for much of his career everyone (except a few idiots) did. Now, he makes a decision that he admits was tactless and he is treated like Jeffrey Dahmer. Grow the **** up, and get a ****ing life.





/Rant

This hypocrite bitch has some mouth. Go back to raising Lebron's illegitimate children.

[pegasus]

Idiots like you are sickening.

Humm no, he is an asshole, pretty obvious, maybe you should clean Lebron's jizz from you ears and eyes.

No dude he said his life >>> ours, it's your sick brain that is twisting what he said. You are mentally ill.

This.

Lebron plans and does this interview just three weeks before the season starts, blatantly lies his way through it to get some sympathy and support so he doesn't crumble under well-deserved hate and pressure again, and than this clown expects us to believe that Lebron is misunderstood and mistreated.:facepalm

[Simple Jack]

This hypocrite bitch has some mouth. Go back to raising Lebron's illegitimate children.

You never responded to my post in the other thread about the Cavaliers and their losing streak.

The reality is; most NBA players are assholes. Most celebrities are assholes. The problem is when you start letting your emotions dictate how you view a players game. Michael Jackson molesting children has nothing to do with how talented he is musically. LeBron, as well as most other NBA stars being complete douche bags, and sometimes immoral, has nothing to do with how well they can play the game of basketball. That's the real problem here; the fact that those of you who hate LeBron, by chance, also make him out to be a B-level player despite being one of the most talented players we've had in the league in a long, long time is not a coincidence It's because you can't separate these two things.

[gasolina]

You never responded to my post in the other thread about the Cavaliers and their losing streak.

The reality is; most NBA players are assholes. Most celebrities are assholes. The problem is when you start letting your emotions dictate how you view a players game. Michael Jackson molesting children has nothing to do with how talented he is musically. LeBron, as well as most other NBA stars being complete douche bags, and sometimes immoral, has nothing to do with how well they can play the game of basketball. That's the real problem here; the fact that those of you who hate LeBron, by chance, also make him out to be a B-level player despite being one of the most talented players we've had in the league in a long, long time is not a coincidence It's because you can't separate these two things.
I don't think anyone denies he's a talented player, but you also can't deny he's choked on the biggest stage.

And I'm sorry but great players just get it done.

[pegasus]

You never responded to my post in the other thread about the Cavaliers and their losing streak.

The reality is; most NBA players are assholes. Most celebrities are assholes. The problem is when you start letting your emotions dictate how you view a players game. Michael Jackson molesting children has nothing to do with how talented he is musically. LeBron, as well as most other NBA stars being complete douche bags, and sometimes immoral, has nothing to do with how well they can play the game of basketball. That's the real problem here; the fact that those of you who hate LeBron, by chance, also make him out to be a B-level player despite being one of the most talented players we've had in the league in a long, long time is not a coincidence It's because you can't separate these two things.

I'm sorry I'd neglected you. What was your question again? No, wait, let me guess... You were asking how come Cleveland lost all those games, right?

Well, again, Cleveland lost their entire starting 5 and their key bench players during that stretch. They played not only rookies, but scrub rookies heavy minutes. They tanked hard, but still showed their potential by beating most of the elite teams, including Miami, LA, Boston, NYK (3), Bulls (?).

If all of the players from 2009-10 had stayed, and had they replaced Lebron with someone like Gerald Wallace, Luol Deng, Rudy Gay, etc., do you still see them having the wost record, or even missing the playoffs? That is why Miami won only 11 more games with Lebron AND Bosh added to their roster, because it has never been just Lebron.

To me, Lebron is a near top-5 player. If you think that's saying he's a shitty player, that's your problem.

He's got a very unique skill set, and he is probably the most gifted player ever. That doesn't change the fact that he can't shoot on an elite level (despite having tried to improve ever since he joined the league - even ft% didn't go up much); he cannot slash or change directions like other elites; his handles are nice for his size - but not on an elite level; his m2m is overrated; he cannot play off the ball; he cannot/has not come through in clutch moments on a respectable frequency that you would expect from a superstar, or the so-called best player.

I think he's got some serious insecurities about his game and who he is, and if he would just be himself and let people see that, or just be private about it instead of trying to mask it with an arrogant asshole persona, I would appreciate his play for what it is, and would eventually like him again just like I did in his first few years in the league. I think a lot of people would agree with me on that.

[The_Yearning]

We'll see how much he has matured if any this season... if he is still wearing that headband then yeah he is still the same old Lebron. Stay losing.

[Kurosawa0]

And I'm sorry but great players just get it done.

Like Magic Johnson in 1984?

Like Hakeem Olujawon in 1986?

Like Shaq in 1995?

Like Kobe in 2004?

Like Kobe in 2008?

Like Dirk in 2006?

Those are some of the greatest player ever, right?

[Nick Young]

Like Magic Johnson in 1984?

Like Hakeem Olujawon in 1986?

Like Shaq in 1995?

Like Kobe in 2004?

Like Kobe in 2008?

Like Dirk in 2006?

Those are some of the greatest player ever, right?
Like Lebron in 2007 finals? (worst finals performance of any of them something like 18ppg at 38%)
Like Lebron 2008 vs the C's (Did he not shoot something embarrassing like 2-18 in game 1?)
Like Lebron game 6 vs Orlando in 2009? (when he completely gave up in the second half even though guys like Mo Williams and Delonte were stepping up big time, Mo for example had 20 first half points that game and Lebron still gave up)
Like Lebron game 5 vs Boston in 2010?
Like Lebron in the 2011 NBA Finals?

Lebron has so far in his short 8 year career put up 2 of the worst finals performances ever by a former MVP and some of the most embarrassing wtf playoff fails.

I don't see why he should get excused for all of theser blatant failures.

[shok]

It will be interesting to see if Lebron is ever as liked as he once was (discount Cleaveland fans out of the equation), or can ever gain some respect of those who don't particularly like him.


It will be difficult to restore his image if LBJ continues to says things like this: http://youtu.be/nXFotffi8A0

Hardcore NBA fans and casual NBA fans won't forget it.

[gasolina]

Like Magic Johnson in 1984?

Like Hakeem Olujawon in 1986? Who had two rings

Like Shaq in 1995? Who had three rings as the best player

Like Kobe in 2004?

Like Kobe in 2008? Who had two rings as the best player

Like Dirk in 2006? Who embarassed the Heat just a few months ago and.... yeah got himself a ring too

Those are some of the greatest player ever, right?
Fixed for you

[Shade8780]

LeBron last game with Cavs, 27 points/ 19 rebounds/ 10 assists.
Leads Cleveland's one man army to the 2007 NBA Finals with 25 PPG
Wins MVP in 2009 and 2010
Gets the Cavaliers the top seed in both '09 and '10.

Season after LeBron leaves, Cleveland go from 61-21 to 19-63.
No wonder LeBron left.

Anyways, I know I sound like a Bron lover but what I just posted there is fact. If anyone on this forum had as bad a supporting cast as LeBron did, you would be booking your flight out of Ohio after your rookie contract. I don't know what these Cavs fans are crying about. He did make mistakes, The Decision, choking in the Finals, whatever, but he regrets those now and is trying to clean up his image but it ain't helping when your continuing to hate on him.

[pegasus]

Fixed for you

Plus, Magic had a legendary finals in his rookie year and won the ring and the FMVP.

[Phong]

...he regrets those now and is trying to clean up his image but it ain't helping when your continuing to hate on him.I didn't know lying through your teeth was a way to show regret.

[gasolina]

Sorry had to do this:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=164283

Some quotes I found:

1. Championship favorites. This is the Cavs year

2. Cavs own the Fakers with Jamison or without him

3. if lebron still wont win ... he MUST leave CLEVELAND seriously .... that team is an all star line up..mo, bron, jamison, shaq... shaq is still better than most of the centers playing right now even though he is old...

4. So is this a sure thing now? Jamison is officially on the Cavs? If so, damn that's a good team. Lakers vs. Cavs is going to be so exciting.

5. Honestly if you ask me, this trade fits the Cavs better than having Amare.

6. Oh shit Cleveland is the clear favorite now, will the Wizards buy out Z so he can return to the Cavs?

7. The tools are there now Lebron....WOW...deepest team in the league? Cavs-Lakers will be epic.

8. if Z gets bought out, then its over, this team will be completely stacked, the second unit alone is fkn scary, telfair jawad williams jamario moon hickson and Z, very young team cept for Z. im just worried now that the cavs are too stacked, if anyone understands that.

9. 2nd stringers : Andy, JJ. Probably 'Z' will return. This IMO is the strongest frontline now in the NBA.

10. Wow! Cavs are a much better team now with Jamison and they didn't have to give up Hickson. I was hoping the Cavs get Amare so he can screw them over. With Jamison, he can fit into any team perfectly so he won't have any trouble fitting in the Cavs in the mid-season. And just as I thought Ferry was a retarded GM, he's looking like the executive of the year already.

11. The good thing is that Lebron fans can stop whining about him not having a great supporting cast. No excuses, if Lebron doesn't win the title this year.

12. our bench consists of (if Z returns) Z, Varejao, Powe, Hickson those are 4 quality bigs OFF THE BENCH. we als have Shaq and Jamison starting. IMO we have the best frontcourt in the NBA along with LeBron, Moon, and Jawad. Yes, even Jawad contributes.

And and and... Kurosawa's response about the Lakers beating the Cavs: "Way too confident."

WTF ISH.... WTF

[LakersReign]

I just find it real funny how ALL those FAKE Cavs fans who didn't think twice about running up on EVERY sports message board across the globe, running their mouths about how there was going to be a Cavs/Lakers Finals. And how Lebron and the Cavs would own Kobe and the Lakers in said Finals. NOW, they all wanna run away and hide and try to act like they never said anything, or wanna sit there with the LAME "oh....well....the Cavs sucked and he didn't have any help" excuse. Like people can't go back into those same sports message board archives and see exactly who said what and when. Notice how you CAN'T find ONE Cavs fan OUTSIDE of Cleveland now?! Y'ALL were the ones who deemed it fit to come up with this PATHETIC double standard to diminish or over exaggerate ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING Kobe did, to try and make Lebron look that much better. While coming up with PATHETIC excuses for Lebron failures and shortcomings. i.e. Kobe and the Lakers lose a Finals, oh they suck, and it's the apocalypse. Lebron and the Heat lose a Finals, and it's "oh....well..... yeah....um....what had happen was...." So, don't come cryin' now cuz it turned right around and bit y'all in the a**. :no:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Sorry had to do this

And and and... Kurosawa's response about the Lakers beating the Cavs: "Way too confident."

WTF ISH.... WTF

:oldlol:

[Kurosawa0]

Fixed for you

Just leave Kobe in 04 blank huh? :oldlol:

[gasolina]

Just leave Kobe in 04 blank huh? :oldlol:
Yeah I didn't want to put that he won twice as the best player.... twice

[Kurosawa0]

And and and... Kurosawa's response about the Lakers beating the Cavs: "Way too confident."

Which was in response to a Laker fan saying that the Cavs had no chance at beating the Lakers. The Cavs gave the Lakers problems that year. Cleveland had a big frontline and the best player in the game. It would've been a series. Looking back the Lakers would've probably won in 6 games, but back then it certainly was a question.

We can talk about how LeBron played badly, but so did Kobe in the Finals. Like any championship team, the Lakers had other players that picked up the slack and made big plays. Answer me this, what big game did Antwan Jamison have in the 2010 playoffs? What about Pau Gasol?

Just like if someone would've said Chicago had no chance of beating Miami last year. Turned out that Miami was the far superior team, but before the series it would've been ridiculous to say that Chicago didn't have any chance based on the evidence we had.

I really wonder if any of you are actually over 13 sometimes.

[Kurosawa0]

Yeah I didn't want to put that he won twice as the best player.... twice

So, then Dirk was a piece of shit after 2006, right?

[LakersReign]

Which was in response to a Laker fan saying that the Cavs had no chance at beating the Lakers. The Cavs gave the Lakers problems that year. Cleveland had a big frontline and the best player in the game. It would've been a series. Looking back the Lakers would've probably won in 6 games, but back then it certainly was a question.

We can talk about how LeBron played badly, but so did Kobe in the Finals. Like any championship team, the Lakers had other players that picked up the slack and made big plays. Answer me this, what big game did Antwan Jamison have in the 2010 playoffs? What about Pau Gasol?

Just like if someone would've said Chicago had no chance of beating Miami last year. Turned out that Miami was the far superior team, but before the series it would've been ridiculous to say that Chicago didn't have any chance based on the evidence we had.

I really wonder if any of you are actually over 13 sometimes.


So...ALL Y'ALL were talking Cavs championship back then because Jamison sucked?!

Enough with those tired excuses already. :blah

[dynasty1978]

Sorry had to do this:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=164283

Some quotes I found:

1. Championship favorites. This is the Cavs year

2. Cavs own the Fakers with Jamison or without him

3. if lebron still wont win ... he MUST leave CLEVELAND seriously .... that team is an all star line up..mo, bron, jamison, shaq... shaq is still better than most of the centers playing right now even though he is old...

4. So is this a sure thing now? Jamison is officially on the Cavs? If so, damn that's a good team. Lakers vs. Cavs is going to be so exciting.

5. Honestly if you ask me, this trade fits the Cavs better than having Amare.

6. Oh shit Cleveland is the clear favorite now, will the Wizards buy out Z so he can return to the Cavs?

7. The tools are there now Lebron....WOW...deepest team in the league? Cavs-Lakers will be epic.

8. if Z gets bought out, then its over, this team will be completely stacked, the second unit alone is fkn scary, telfair jawad williams jamario moon hickson and Z, very young team cept for Z. im just worried now that the cavs are too stacked, if anyone understands that.

9. 2nd stringers : Andy, JJ. Probably 'Z' will return. This IMO is the strongest frontline now in the NBA.

10. Wow! Cavs are a much better team now with Jamison and they didn't have to give up Hickson. I was hoping the Cavs get Amare so he can screw them over. With Jamison, he can fit into any team perfectly so he won't have any trouble fitting in the Cavs in the mid-season. And just as I thought Ferry was a retarded GM, he's looking like the executive of the year already.

11. The good thing is that Lebron fans can stop whining about him not having a great supporting cast. No excuses, if Lebron doesn't win the title this year.

12. our bench consists of (if Z returns) Z, Varejao, Powe, Hickson those are 4 quality bigs OFF THE BENCH. we als have Shaq and Jamison starting. IMO we have the best frontcourt in the NBA along with LeBron, Moon, and Jawad. Yes, even Jawad contributes.

And and and... Kurosawa's response about the Lakers beating the Cavs: "Way too confident."

WTF ISH.... WTF

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[Kurosawa0]

So...ALL Y'ALL were talking Cavs championship back then because Jamison sucked?!

Enough with those tired excuses already. :blah

Actually, Wizards fans were the ones saying that. Funnily enough, they were right.

Hey, just like any team that loses, the Cavs' weaknesses were exposed. Even before game five against Boston you could see that out the five best players in the series, four played for the Celtics.

It's the same lesson Orlando learned with Vince Carter in the next round. I remember several people here and on ESPN were acting like the Vince Carter for Hedo swap was going to completely put Orlando over the top.

Does anyone want to try and argue that Orlando had a great team? After all, Dwight is in virtually the identical situation as LeBron was in.

[LakersReign]

Actually, Wizards fans were the ones saying that. Funnily enough, they were right.

Hey, just like any team that loses, the Cavs' weaknesses were exposed. Even before game five against Boston you could see that out the five best players in the series, four played for the Celtics.

It's the same lesson Orlando learned with Vince Carter in the next round. I remember several people here and on ESPN were acting like the Vince Carter for Hedo swap was going to completely put Orlando over the top.

Does anyone want to try and argue that Orlando had a great team? After all, Dwight is in virtually the identical situation as LeBron was in.


Wizards fans may have said that, but NONE....LET ME REPEAT THAT....N-O-N-E of you Cavs/Lebron fans said anything of the sort during that time. ALL Y'ALL just looking to save face now cuz all that Cavs championship talk died when Lebron left to go to Miami. Which again is exactly why you CAN'T find NOT ONE Cavs fan OUTSIDE of Cleveland now. But before that there seemed to be MILLIONS of REAL Cavs fans outside of Cleveland :facepalm

[Kurosawa0]

Dude please. NONE....LET ME REPEAT THAT....N-O-N-E of you Cavs/Lebron fans said anything of the sort during that time. All y'all just looking to save face now cuz all that Cavs championship died when Lebron left to go to Miami. :facepalm

The mistake that was made (not just by Cavs fans either) was underestimating Boston. I remember thinking that the only two teams that mattered in the East was Orlando and Cleveland. Most of the basketball viewing public saw it that way too.

It doesn't really matter what people thought at the time. Was I wrong about how good Boston was? Absolutely, no question about it. Yet, I was also wrong about Cleveland. I fully admit that. They had serious holes that we either didn't see or ignored. Back at the end of the year LeBron sat for I think five games and Cleveland went 0-5 heading into the playoffs. That's not how championship teams play. Everyone just kind of brushed that aside.

We ignored the fact that Shaq had been injured half the year and was just coming back to play with the team at the start of the playoffs.

The thing is, to dig something like that up as evidence of something means nothing. No one here is a prophet. I saw people on here talking about Dallas having no chance against the Lakers this last year. Does that mean something or discredit them as fans?

I thought the Cavs were a championship caliber team in 2010, but I was proven wrong. Just like people are proven wrong about teams every year.

Put it this way, I'm picking Miami and OKC to get the Finals this season. If one or both don't, what does it mean? If it turns out Westbrook and Durant can't coexist and end up bring the team down, what does it prove?

[Kurosawa0]

I will say this, I have no team. I like watching Derrick Rose with the Bulls, but if he left and played for the Pistons tomorrow, I wouldn't care about the Bulls.

I'm a fan of the sport. I couldn't care less about the teams over a period of time.

[gasolina]

Which was in response to a Laker fan saying that the Cavs had no chance at beating the Lakers. The Cavs gave the Lakers problems that year. Cleveland had a big frontline and the best player in the game. It would've been a series. Looking back the Lakers would've probably won in 6 games, but back then it certainly was a question.

We can talk about how LeBron played badly, but so did Kobe in the Finals. Like any championship team, the Lakers had other players that picked up the slack and made big plays. Answer me this, what big game did Antwan Jamison have in the 2010 playoffs? What about Pau Gasol?

Just like if someone would've said Chicago had no chance of beating Miami last year. Turned out that Miami was the far superior team, but before the series it would've been ridiculous to say that Chicago didn't have any chance based on the evidence we had.

I really wonder if any of you are actually over 13 sometimes.
Fair enough... I just highlighted your comment because you were in the current discussion anyway.

Hindsight is 20/20, but as you can see in the thread I brought back.... A LOT of Cavs "fans" were ready to give them the championship. A good number of them saying the Cavs back then were the deepest team. Same as Miami last year.

Then suddendly, after the Celtics, the Cavs supporting cast sucks

[gasolina]

So, then Dirk was a piece of shit after 2006, right?
Yes he was. He was a joke in the 2006 finals as wel as the first round of 2007. I felt embarrassed for him them especially when Dwade blocked his GW attempt in an ASG. People in ISH were saying how you can't write that kind of stuff (Dirk failing) for comedy.

But go to youtube and see what he did against the Thunder and the Heat... and ask yourself, does he suck now?

[Kurosawa0]

http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=219969&page=2

"Lakers in 4!!!"

"Lakers are going to steamroll these punks"

"the combo of odom/gasol/bynum is going to really ass-rape mavs."

"The lakers in 5, especially if the mavs dumb coach puts kidd on artest"

"Nothing to see here folks... mavs stand no chance"

"Kobe will destroy any SG they put on him"

"i dont think the mavs have a legit shot"

"Deep down, they know Dallas isn't going to win. They are just blinded by their hatred of the Lakers."

"Doubt it somehow, it'll be one-sided for the Lakers. 5 games at most."

"I think a Lakers win is inevitable."

"Lakers/Grizzlies Western Conference Finals. Book it!"

So, what does all that mean? How is me saying that in the Spring of 09 Laker fans should've been a little bit cautious about facing Cleveland become some big "Oh, burn!" when you can simply google this message board and find something like it from every poster here.

[gasolina]

^^^^^^^
We can have a contest.... whoe failed more.. Lebron fans or Kobe fans. :)

[Phong]

After the Lakers lost to the Mavs, did Lakers' fans try to sell the idea that the Lakers, outside of Kobe, was a team full of total scrubs?

[Kurosawa0]

Then suddendly, after the Celtics, the Cavs supporting cast sucks

Well, it's a lot like what happened with the Bulls this year. You look at team killing it in the regular season and you look at what the role player have, not what they don't.

When Chicago was killing it everyone was like "They've got Rose, Deng, Noah, Boozer and they're great!"

After they lost to Miami and you start looking at what they need to do to improve and you see that Rose is the only legit star on the team. That Boozer has to be the second star and is he even close?

It's the same thing that happened in Cleveland. After Boston won you start asking what Cleveland can do to change things up and you just keep looking because there's not much there.


Yes he was. He was a joke in the 2006 finals as wel as the first round of 2007. I felt embarrassed for him them especially when Dwade blocked his GW attempt in an ASG. People in ISH were saying how you can't write that kind of stuff (Dirk failing) for comedy.

But go to youtube and see what he did against the Thunder and the Heat... and ask yourself, does he suck now?

Go and Youtube what LeBron did against Chicago or Boston and say he sucks. LeBron, for the most part, has been one of the better playoff performers of this generation.

He got to the Finals in 2007 and that Cavs team had no chance. The Spurs basically said "Every player on the floor can do what they want expect for LeBron. We're going to limit him and we'll have nothing to worry about." They were 100% correct.

LeBron played like crap in the Finals last year (although not as catastrophic as people act like). If he wins a ring this year, how does it say something about him that is different than what 2004 said about Kobe or 1984 said about Magic?

[LakersReign]

The mistake that was made (not just by Cavs fans either) was underestimating Boston. I remember thinking that the only two teams that mattered in the East was Orlando and Cleveland. Most of the basketball viewing public saw it that way too.

It doesn't really matter what people thought at the time. Was I wrong about how good Boston was? Absolutely, no question about it. Yet, I was also wrong about Cleveland. I fully admit that. They had serious holes that we either didn't see or ignored. Back at the end of the year LeBron sat for I think five games and Cleveland went 0-5 heading into the playoffs. That's not how championship teams play. Everyone just kind of brushed that aside.

We ignored the fact that Shaq had been injured half the year and was just coming back to play with the team at the start of the playoffs.

The thing is, to dig something like that up as evidence of something means nothing. No one here is a prophet. I saw people on here talking about Dallas having no chance against the Lakers this last year. Does that mean something or discredit them as fans?

I thought the Cavs were a championship caliber team in 2010, but I was proven wrong. Just like people are proven wrong about teams every year.

Put it this way, I'm picking Miami and OKC to get the Finals this season. If one or both don't, what does it mean? If it turns out Westbrook and Durant can't coexist and end up bring the team down, what does it prove?

WOW....the old "oh....I(NOW don't have a team since Lebron left the Cavs, but STILL felt this URGENT NEED to chant Cavs championship, for some strange and yet STILL unknown reason) have no team" schtick....huh?! Notice how he CONVENIENTLY only says that NOW as opposed to back then?! :rolleyes:

If you were really a fan of the sport, then you wouldn't still be sitting there making pathetic excuses for Lebron like the Lebron fans NEED to do. Don't look now, but your arguments seem to be contradicting each other. :D

[gasolina]

Well, it's a lot like what happened with the Bulls this year. You look at team killing it in the regular season and you look at what the role player have, not what they don't.

When Chicago was killing it everyone was like "They've got Rose, Deng, Noah, Boozer and they're great!"

After they lost to Miami and you start looking at what they need to do to improve and you see that Rose is the only legit star on the team. That Boozer has to be the second star and is he even close?
They WERE great, only the Heat were better than them. But man, you can't justify thumping you chest prematurely like an idiot just because fans of other teams are idiots too.

Go and Youtube what LeBron did against Chicago or Boston and say he sucks. LeBron, for the most part, has been one of the better playoff performers of this generation.
Which actually makes Lebron's case a lot more intriguing and/or a lot easier to poke fun with. How can he dominate two top defensive teams and just completely be passive vs. a team like Dallas?

LeBron played like crap in the Finals last year (although not as catastrophic as people act like). If he wins a ring this year, how does it say something about him that is different than what 2004 said about Kobe or 1984 said about Magic?
Tell you what, if Lebron played normally against the Mavs, he'd probably have a ring right now, and held in a much higher regard. Unfortunately he played like crap and wasn't there as the Heat's best player when they needed him to step up.

I don't think you can even compare Lebron vs. Kobe and Magic. Those Lakers won championships. You're comparing them with the assumption that Lebron wins a championship down the line, which as it stands now is still a big IF.

[pauk]

1st of all..... cant you see what Skip is up to here? :oldlol: He has not commended lebron ever in his life.. this is the first time.. he had to do it or else everybody would not be taking him seriously (and nobody still does i hope), i mean who takes him seriously? nobody gives a damn about what he has to say when he is a world famous lebron hating real life troll... constant delusional lebron bashing 24-7.... and now this all of the sudden? BS..

2nd of all.... lol @ the annual lebron haters in here bashing lebrons work ethic, mindset and "determination".... :oldlol: who the hell has better work ethic, mindset and determination than lebron today? tell me? why the **** would you question something like that ? why? what happened in the Mavs series is about him playing bad.... its very simple...

so much for work ethic, mindset, determination when your team cant beat a better team......... am i not right Kobe fans? afterall... using your logic then Kobe has now even worse work ethic, determination and mindset.... considering he choked, got swept by that same team... early in the playoffs to.... :confusedshrug:

[Simple Jack]

I'm sorry I'd neglected you. What was your question again? No, wait, let me guess... You were asking how come Cleveland lost all those games, right?

Well, again, Cleveland lost their entire starting 5 and their key bench players during that stretch. They played not only rookies, but scrub rookies heavy minutes. They tanked hard, but still showed their potential by beating most of the elite teams, including Miami, LA, Boston, NYK (3), Bulls (?).

If all of the players from 2009-10 had stayed, and had they replaced Lebron with someone like Gerald Wallace, Luol Deng, Rudy Gay, etc., do you still see them having the wost record, or even missing the playoffs? That is why Miami won only 11 more games with Lebron AND Bosh added to their roster, because it has never been just Lebron.

To me, Lebron is a near top-5 player. If you think that's saying he's a shitty player, that's your problem.

He's got a very unique skill set, and he is probably the most gifted player ever. That doesn't change the fact that he can't shoot on an elite level (despite having tried to improve ever since he joined the league - even ft% didn't go up much); he cannot slash or change directions like other elites; his handles are nice for his size - but not on an elite level; his m2m is overrated; he cannot play off the ball; he cannot/has not come through in clutch moments on a respectable frequency that you would expect from a superstar, or the so-called best player.

I think he's got some serious insecurities about his game and who he is, and if he would just be himself and let people see that, or just be private about it instead of trying to mask it with an arrogant asshole persona, I would appreciate his play for what it is, and would eventually like him again just like I did in his first few years in the league. I think a lot of people would agree with me on that.

How about addressing the actual post instead of posting the same garbage you posted there, in here. And in the actual thread too.

As for your pseudo-psychological evaluation of LeBron; I'm not sure you're qualified to pass judgment on that, let alone let it dictate how you view him as a player. It's hardly a provable premise, nor is it even relevant to the discussion. Whether people want to accept it or not, LeBron is one of the most talented players this league has ever seen in addition to being one of, if not THE current best player in the league. You can critique any player to death and a multitude of angles to paint a picture that either isn't true, or wildly irrational. That's what we see with LeBron, constantly; and it just so happens to be the people who hate him as a person, that fail to give him respect as a player. I'm no psychologist myself, but I don't think that's a coincidence.

[Kurosawa0]

WOW....the old "oh....I(NOW don't have a team since Lebron left the Cavs, but STILL felt this URGENT NEED to chant Cavs championship, for some strange and yet STILL unknown reason) have no team schtick....huh?! :rolleyes:

If you were really a fan of the sport, then you wouldn't still be sitting there making pathetic excuses for Lebron like the Lebron fans NEED to do. Don't look now, but your arguments seem to be contradicting each other. :D

I made the same arguments for Dirk after 06, Kobe after 08 and now LeBron. I said they needed to improve, but were/are still great players.

Here's the thing, it depends on what you're arguing LeBron or any player to be. Is he Michael Jordan? No, be neither is Dirk or Kobe. LeBron's one of the top 20-25 players ever. Am I fan of LeBron's? Absolutely. I'm also a fan of Kobe's too. I thought seeing Dirk drop 48 on OKC was one of the coolest games I'd ever seen.

I hope LeBron wins a title, just like I hope that Kevin Durant does too eventually. I want to see players be great, not hope they fail.

[LakersReign]

I made the same arguments for Dirk after 06, Kobe after 08 and now LeBron. I said they needed to improve, but were/are still great players.

Here's the thing, it depends on what you're arguing LeBron or any player to be. Is he Michael Jordan? No, be neither is Dirk or Kobe. LeBron's one of the top 20-25 players ever. Am I fan of LeBron's? Absolutely. I'm also a fan of Kobe's too. I thought seeing Dirk drop 48 on OKC was one of the coolest games I'd ever seen.

I hope LeBron wins a title, just like I hope that Kevin Durant does too eventually. I want to see players be great, not hope they fail.


Like I said before, your arguments are contradicting each other. You claim not to be a Lebron fan(presumably to try to sound objective, when you're really not), but then INSIST on making excuses for him. Then turn right around and try to say you're a REAL basketball fan at the same time, while STILL making excuses for Lebron, like a Lebron fan. Which one is it, and it can't be both. :no:

[Kurosawa0]

They WERE great, only the Heat were better than them. But man, you can't justify thumping you chest prematurely like an idiot just because fans of other teams are idiots too.

Which actually makes Lebron's case a lot more intriguing and/or a lot easier to poke fun with. How can he dominate two top defensive teams and just completely be passive vs. a team like Dallas?

Tell you what, if Lebron played normally against the Mavs, he'd probably have a ring right now, and held in a much higher regard. Unfortunately he played like crap and wasn't there as the Heat's best player when they needed him to step up.

I don't think you can even compare Lebron vs. Kobe and Magic. Those Lakers won championships. You're comparing them with the assumption that Lebron wins a championship down the line, which as it stands now is still a big IF.

How was saying "way too confident" thumping my chest? I would say the same thing to someone saying the Lakers have no chance to win this year. I'm not picking them, but it's ridiculous to think they have no chance.

How did Dirk crumble against Golden State and Miami after killing San Antonio? The team that still had Bruce Bowen. It happens.

I put LeBron along side Barkley and Malone, in the top 15-20 range myself. This is still a guy who has six seasons of at least 2,000 points, 500 assists and 500 rebounds. Only Oscar Robertson has ever done that and it took him his whole career to have six seasons of that production. LeBron's only 26 and will probably have #7 this year.

Like I said, LeBron's not Michael, but he's one of the best ever. To pretend he's not is to not know your history.

The problem I have with people who make the argument you're making (or the ones that are strident against Kobe) is that it seems like you feel the league would be better without LeBron. I can, in no way, see that side for someone who loves basketball.

[Kurosawa0]

Like I said before, your arguments are contradicting each other. You claim not to be a Lebron fan(presumably to try to sound objective, when you're really not), but then INSIST on making excuses for him. Then turn right around and try to say you're a REAL basketball fan at the same time, while STILL making excuses for Lebron, like a Lebron fan. Which one is it, and it can't be both. :no:

I'm a fan of LeBron James. I'm a fan of Derrick Rose. I'm a fan of Dwyane Wade. I'm a fan of Kobe Bryant. I'm a fan of Kevin Durant.

I'm a fan of basketball. I don't have team. I root for players and the best outcomes. I wanted to see Miami beat Boston because I thought Chicago vs. Miami was a better match up in the ECF. but I was happy when Dallas won because Dirk and Jason Kidd deserve a ring.

I'm not making excuses, just stating my point of view. I see LeBron as a great player that needs to get better to climb up the ladder of the other greats.

[pauk]

I think it's funny people a month or two ago were like "I like him embracing the "villain" role." Now he's totally shying away from it and wants to be liked.

he never did embrace it... because he NEVER was a villian and NEVER did something to become a villain........ he was always a good guy, loved by everybody.. always clowning & being happy on and of the court... never did anything really wrong in his life..... there is a difference between that and somebody WANTING you so bad to be a villian because of a combination of them "hating" you for simply leaving their team and the haters (who always were there since lebrons day 1) jumping in joy trying to blow everything up to epic proportions....

[LakersReign]

I'm a fan of LeBron James. I'm a fan of Derrick Rose. I'm a fan of Dwyane Wade. I'm a fan of Kobe Bryant. I'm a fan of Kevin Durant.

I'm a fan of basketball. I don't have team. I root for players and the best outcomes. I wanted to see Miami beat Boston because I thought Chicago vs. Miami was a better match up in the ECF. but I was happy when Dallas won because Dirk and Jason Kidd deserve a ring.

I'm not making excuses, just stating my point of view. I see LeBron as a great player that needs to get better to climb up the ladder of the other greats.


Like I've been saying, if all that were even true, then you wouldn't still be sitting there making excuses for Lebron, like a Lebron fan. Only Lebron fan go into all this stat nonsense about how supposedly good he'll supposed be in the future. Just like you just did in one of your previous posts. Again, which one is it, and it can't be both? :no:

[Kurosawa0]

Like I've been saying, if all that were even true, then you wouldn't still be sitting there making excuses for Lebron, like a Lebron fan.

What excuses am I making?

[Kurosawa0]

NEVER did something to become a villain

Some sportswriter somewhere made a really funny point about The Decision. That like $3 million did go to charity in the end. That as badly as it came off, that act alone was worth it.

Also, I've always loved the fact that The Decision was an ESPN produced show and they've spent the entire last year and a half going "Was it a bad idea for LeBron to handle it like that?" :lol

[LakersReign]

What excuses am I making?

Ok....it's misdirection time now isn't it? Scroll back up the page, read your own post in regards to the Cavs, then come back at me. :confusedshrug:

[Kurosawa0]

Ok....it's misdirection time now isn't it? Scroll back up the page, read your own post in regards to the Cavs, then come back at me. :confusedshrug:

If you don't want to have conversations why would you log onto a message board?

[winwin]

Lebron stans last three years? so sad

their souls are totally crushed .. imagin this:

Lebrick failing miserably every year in the playoffs
Kobe winning two rings and two FMVPs

Lebrick becomes the most hated NBA player
every year poor fans get the ''Double whammy''


icing on the cake:
Kobe's 2 rings and 2 MvPs were during Lebrick's Prime/Peak 2009-2010




===================


sign.

''a low self esteem prostitute who wishes to see much more women engaged in prostitution''

that's Lebron and his jockers

Lebron is the prostitute of the NBA
his jockers are the prostitute of ISH

[LakersReign]

If you don't want to have conversations why would you log onto a message board?


MORE misdirection^^^^

So....I supposedly don't want to have a conversation, when I just asked you to go back and read your own post in regards to the Cavs, and then holla back?!

Hmm, must be a reason why you SUDDENLY have a problem in doing that then....huh?! :D

[Kurosawa0]

So....I supposedly don't want to have a conversation, when I just asked you to go back and read your own post in regards to the Cavs, and then holla back?! Hmm, must be a reason why you SUDDENLY have a problem in doing that then....huh?! :D

Sure, whatever.

[LakersReign]

Sure, whatever.


Good answer. :roll:

The only reason you're balking at the suggestion of reading YOUR OWN posts in regards to the Cavs and Lebron, is cuz you already know YOU make YOURSELF look and sound like a Lebron fan, which is really what you are anyways. So....now please, turn right around and try to tell us that you're a REAL NBA fan, to TRY to sound objective, ok?! :lol

[gasolina]

How about addressing the actual post instead of posting the same garbage you posted there, in here. And in the actual thread too.

As for your pseudo-psychological evaluation of LeBron; I'm not sure you're qualified to pass judgment on that, let alone let it dictate how you view him as a player. It's hardly a provable premise, nor is it even relevant to the discussion. Whether people want to accept it or not, LeBron is one of the most talented players this league has ever seen in addition to being one of, if not THE current best player in the league. You can critique any player to death and a multitude of angles to paint a picture that either isn't true, or wildly irrational. That's what we see with LeBron, constantly; and it just so happens to be the people who hate him as a person, that fail to give him respect as a player. I'm no psychologist myself, but I don't think that's a coincidence.
And what was actually wrong about Pegasus' post?


He's got a very unique skill set, and he is probably the most gifted player ever. That doesn't change the fact that he can't shoot on an elite level (despite having tried to improve ever since he joined the league - even ft% didn't go up much); he cannot slash or change directions like other elites; his handles are nice for his size - but not on an elite level; his m2m is overrated; he cannot play off the ball; he cannot/has not come through in clutch moments on a respectable frequency that you would expect from a superstar, or the so-called best player.
I see every one of his critiques are spot on and reasonable. What's irrational in that?

Is it wrong to critique players now? I swear to God, if there's anyone who's holding Lebron to very high standards, its his own fans. You seem to think Lebron can do no wrong and defend him to the very end.

I can do the same with other elite players:

Kobe - is a ballhog, takes bad shots, complains too much, not a very good teammate
Rose - needs to work on in between game, needs to see the floor better, not a good defender, needs to "break down" defenses instead of always trying to blow by people
Dirk - not a good defender, slow, relies too much on his J, doesnt' like contact
Dwight - very predictable / limited offensively, undersized

Yet somehow, with all their faults, they are STILL the best players in the world. Now, if you feel that Lebron is in another planet skill-wise (which he's not) and don't deserve the criticism on his game - then you sir are insecure.

[Disaprine]

Also... I totally read the headline as LBG Opens up Rachel Nichols and figured it was going to be about him plowing her.
:roll:

[Disaprine]

:lol
:roll:

[All Net]

Was a good interview and hopefully for his sake he will learn from what happened last year and comeback strong. As a basketball fan you want to see Lebron at his best the way he was in Cleveland. He looked slow last year IMO.

[Heavincent]

:lol

:roll: :roll: :roll:

lol at Lebron just telling a straight up lie. He definitely seems like a shady character.

[pegasus]

How about addressing the actual post instead of posting the same garbage you posted there, in here. And in the actual thread too.

What the hell are you still talking about? I did answer you question about Cleveland's losing streak. If you don't like it because it doesn't fit your agenda, then don't read it. Or, try to come up with a counter argument other than just stating how many games they lost.


As for your pseudo-psychological evaluation of LeBron; I'm not sure you're qualified to pass judgment on that, let alone let it dictate how you view him as a player. It's hardly a provable premise, nor is it even relevant to the discussion. Whether people want to accept it or not, LeBron is one of the most talented players this league has ever seen in addition to being one of, if not THE current best player in the league. You can critique any player to death and a multitude of angles to paint a picture that either isn't true, or wildly irrational. That's what we see with LeBron, constantly; and it just so happens to be the people who hate him as a person, that fail to give him respect as a player. I'm no psychologist myself, but I don't think that's a coincidence.

I wasn't passing judgment, I was clearly stating my perception of him. It may be correct, it may be not, but it doesn't change the fact that that's how I see him after having "witnessed" his persona for eight years.

I analyzed his game, his strengths and weaknesses, in my previous post, so I won't do it again. A non Lebron-homer would see that I did not base my assessment on his personality.

I'm still saying that he's a near top-5 player. Even if he could stop being an arrogant douche bag, I would rate him the same. However, that would change my desire to see him fail. You may disagree, but I don't give a damn.

[RRR3]

What the hell are you still talking about? I did answer you question about Cleveland's losing streak. If you don't like it because it doesn't fit your agenda, then don't read it. Or, try to come up with a counter argument other than just stating how many games they lost.



I wasn't passing judgment, I was clearly stating my perception of him. It may be correct, it may be not, but it doesn't change the fact that that's how I see him after having "witnessed" his persona for eight years.

I analyzed his game, his strengths and weaknesses, in my previous post, so I won't do it again. A non Lebron-homer would see that I did not base my assessment on his personality.

I'm still saying that he's a near top-5 player. Even if he could stop being an arrogant douche bag, I would rate him the same. However, that would change my desire to see him fail. You may disagree, but I don't give a damn.

If you don't think he's top 5, then you're letting your hatred of him influence your ranking. There is no sane argument for him not being at worst top 4 in the NBA currently.

[pegasus]

If you don't think he's top 5, then you're letting your hatred of him influence your ranking. There is no sane argument for him not being at worst top 4 in the NBA currently.

I value winning more than just averaging fancy numbers. He has failed three times in a row now with the HCA. He is not top-5. Trust me, you'll get there, too. Just give him one more year.

[LBJMVP]

LeBron last game with Cavs, 27 points/ 19 rebounds/ 10 assists.
Leads Cleveland's one man army to the 2007 NBA Finals with 25 PPG
Wins MVP in 2009 and 2010
Gets the Cavaliers the top seed in both '09 and '10.

Season after LeBron leaves, Cleveland go from 61-21 to 19-63.
No wonder LeBron left.

Anyways, I know I sound like a Bron lover but what I just posted there is fact. If anyone on this forum had as bad a supporting cast as LeBron did, you would be booking your flight out of Ohio after your rookie contract. I don't know what these Cavs fans are crying about. He did make mistakes, The Decision, choking in the Finals, whatever, but he regrets those now and is trying to clean up his image but it ain't helping when your continuing to hate on him.


lebron isnt the only person who left. mo wiliams got traded, delonte west left, o'neal left, Z left, jamison got injured.

we basically lost our whole starting lineup. that will F*ck any team up.

[RRR3]

I value winning more than just averaging fancy numbers. He has failed three times in a row now with the HCA. He is not top-5. Trust me, you'll get there, too. Just give him one more year.
Name 5 better then. Right now, not career wise. Should be hilarious/

[Nick Young]

Sorry had to do this:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=164283

Some quotes I found:

1. Championship favorites. This is the Cavs year

2. Cavs own the Fakers with Jamison or without him

3. if lebron still wont win ... he MUST leave CLEVELAND seriously .... that team is an all star line up..mo, bron, jamison, shaq... shaq is still better than most of the centers playing right now even though he is old...

4. So is this a sure thing now? Jamison is officially on the Cavs? If so, damn that's a good team. Lakers vs. Cavs is going to be so exciting.

5. Honestly if you ask me, this trade fits the Cavs better than having Amare.

6. Oh shit Cleveland is the clear favorite now, will the Wizards buy out Z so he can return to the Cavs?

7. The tools are there now Lebron....WOW...deepest team in the league? Cavs-Lakers will be epic.

8. if Z gets bought out, then its over, this team will be completely stacked, the second unit alone is fkn scary, telfair jawad williams jamario moon hickson and Z, very young team cept for Z. im just worried now that the cavs are too stacked, if anyone understands that.

9. 2nd stringers : Andy, JJ. Probably 'Z' will return. This IMO is the strongest frontline now in the NBA.

10. Wow! Cavs are a much better team now with Jamison and they didn't have to give up Hickson. I was hoping the Cavs get Amare so he can screw them over. With Jamison, he can fit into any team perfectly so he won't have any trouble fitting in the Cavs in the mid-season. And just as I thought Ferry was a retarded GM, he's looking like the executive of the year already.

11. The good thing is that Lebron fans can stop whining about him not having a great supporting cast. No excuses, if Lebron doesn't win the title this year.

12. our bench consists of (if Z returns) Z, Varejao, Powe, Hickson those are 4 quality bigs OFF THE BENCH. we als have Shaq and Jamison starting. IMO we have the best frontcourt in the NBA along with LeBron, Moon, and Jawad. Yes, even Jawad contributes.

And and and... Kurosawa's response about the Lakers beating the Cavs: "Way too confident."

WTF ISH.... WTF
THANK YOU. ESPN was spewing shit like this as well. So many excuses to bail out the chosen one every single time he fails

[pegasus]

Name 5 better then. Right now, not career wise. Should be hilarious/

Nice to know you are willing to have a decent discussion, you punk ass. You want something hilarious, go look at your family album.

[Kurosawa0]

Nice to know you are willing to have a decent discussion, you punk ass.

Well, it's hard time have a decent conversation with someone when you're calling them a punk ass. Just sayin'... :lol

[RRR3]

Nice to know you are willing to have a decent discussion, you punk ass. You want something hilarious, go look at your family album.
Excellent list. :applause:

[pegasus]

Well, it's hard time have a decent conversation with someone when you're calling them a punk ass. Just sayin'... :lol

Obviously, that was me saying "bye" to that conversation attempt after having seen his anticipation to find my list hilarious.

[Nick Young]

Name 5 better then. Right now, not career wise. Should be hilarious/
Carmelo, Kobe, D12, D-Wade, Dirk, CP3, Derek Rose, all of these guys aren't massive choke artists who have failed time after time when their team needed them most

[RRR3]

Carmelo, Kobe, D12, D-Wade, Dirk, CP3, Derek Rose, all of these guys aren't massive choke artists who have failed time after time when their team needed them most
You really should smoke less crack.

[JohnnyWall]

Name 5 better then. Right now, not career wise. Should be hilarious/

Wade, Dwight, Paul, Kobe, & Rose in no particular order.

Not sure why you're acting like being the 6th best player in the league is a bad thing though.

[Lucifer]

Name 5 better then. Right now, not career wise. Should be hilarious/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebvLPKsPrUM


Lebron's top 2-3 in the regular season. Playoffs he's not top 5.

[RRR3]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebvLPKsPrUM


Lebron's top 2-3 in the regular season. Playoffs he's not top 5.
How's hell lately, Lucy? Heard it was pretty hot. :lol

[Nick Young]

You really should smoke less crack.
Why you still support the man who has shown himself to be mentally weak, mocks teams with pregame photoroutine gimmicks and dancing on the sidelines, slapped his own city with a backhand across the face on national TV, promised 8 rings to Miami, said the games would be easy compared to practice, and then lied to his own fans and the world about 'sitting at home by himself after the finals for 2 weeks' when really he was partying it up in the Bahamas with a smile on his face two days after losing game 6?

His style of play of iso ball at the top of the key for 20 seconds and then driving to get freethrows or pass to a teammate in the corner is IMO boring.

Why do you still support this man so strongly?

[RRR3]

Why you still support the man who has shown himself to be mentally weak, mocks teams with pregame photoroutine gimmicks and dancing on the sidelines, slapped his own city with a backhand across the face on national TV, promised 8 rings to Miami, said the games would be easy compared to practice, and then lied to his own fans and the world about 'sitting at home by himself after the finals' when really he was partying it up in the Bahamas with a smile on his face two days after losing game 6?

His style of play of iso ball at the top of the key for 20 seconds and then driving to get freethrows or pass to a teammate in the corner is IMO boring.

Why do you still support this man so strongly?
He's my 2nd favorite player and I don't stop supporting players I enjoy watching when they **** up.

[Nick Young]

He's my 2nd favorite player and I don't stop supporting players I enjoy watching when they **** up.
What is enjoyable about his no-fundamental, bad jumpshooting iso at the top of the key style of Lebron ball to you?

Even on the fast break, Lebrons most exciting times, Lebron is boring to me because he just does the same power dunk every time. He basically never dunks on people any more, or beat people off the dribble without a pick, what do you like about watching his game?

It doesn't bother you at all that he lied to everyone about 'staying at home by himself in his room for two weeks' when really he was partying it up in the bahamas?

[Lebron23]

He's my 2nd favorite player and I don't stop supporting players I enjoy watching when they **** up.

I am gonna BUMP this thread after LeBron wins his first Finals MVP. Just add them to your ignore list. No need to respond to these "Geniuses".

[RRR3]

What is enjoyable about his no-fundamental, bad jumpshooting iso at the top of the key style of Lebron ball to you?

Even on the fast break, Lebrons most exciting times, Lebron is boring to me because he just does the same power dunk every time. He basically never dunks on people any more, or beat people off the dribble without a pick, what do you like about watching his game?
LeBron is not a bad jumpshooter for the 8045th time. :facepalm. I find great players exciting to watch in general, and I like the way LeBron involves his teammates. I'm allowed to like whoever the **** I want.

[Nick Young]

I am gonna BUMP this thread after LeBron wins his first Finals MVP. Just add them to your ignore list. No need to respond to these "Geniuses".
I ask you the same thing with genuine curiosity.


Why you still support the man who has shown himself to be mentally weak, mocks teams with pregame photoroutine gimmicks and dancing on the sidelines, slapped his own city with a backhand across the face on national TV, promised 8 rings to Miami, said the games would be easy compared to practice, and then lied to his own fans and the world about 'sitting at home by himself after the finals' when really he was partying it up in the Bahamas with a smile on his face two days after losing game 6?

His style of play of iso ball at the top of the key for 20 seconds and then driving to get freethrows or pass to a teammate in the corner is IMO boring.

Why do you still support this man so strongly?

[Fiasco]

Read the title as "LeBron opens up Rachel Nichols", and was expecting something like this:

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4776/rachlbj.jpg

[Heavincent]

I am gonna BUMP this thread after LeBron wins his first Finals MVP. Just add them to your ignore list. No need to respond to these "Geniuses".

In 2017: "You just watch, I'm gonna bump *insert Lebron thread here* when he wins his first FMVP".

:oldlol:

[Nash]

lol at people who think that Clevelands worst losing streak from last season doesn't have anything to do with Lebron. Delonte West, Shaq and Illgauskas, really?

Sure, lets say they didn't lose the 38 year old Shaq and Delonte West.

Mo Williams
Parker
Jamison
Varejao
Shaq

You guys think keeping a 38 year old Shaq would have made a difference to Clevelands losing streak? Because thats the same team MINUS Lebron. They went from the best team in the NBA during regular season with Lebron to the worst losing streak in NBA f*ckin' HISTORY!

[pegasus]

I am gonna BUMP this thread after LeBron wins his first Finals MVP. Just add them to your ignore list. No need to respond to these "Geniuses".

I would love to see your bookmarks, because you have been saying that same shit for years now:lol

Knowing your love for explosive players, and having read some of your comments, I have a feeling that while continuing to ride Lebron's dick this year, you will try and reach for Griffin's. Just make sure you don't throw your back out in the process:lol

[pegasus]

lol at people who think that Clevelands worst losing streak from last season doesn't have anything to do with Lebron. Delonte West, Shaq and Illgauskas, really?

Sure, lets say they didn't lose the 38 year old Shaq and Delonte West.

Mo Williams
Parker
Jamison
Varejao
Shaq

You guys think keeping a 38 year old Shaq would have made a difference to Clevelands losing streak? Because thats the same team MINUS Lebron. They went from the best team in the NBA during regular season with Lebron to the worst losing streak in NBA f*ckin' HISTORY!

How about keeping the same roster AND replacing Lebron with a decent SF, like Gerald Wallace, Rudy Gay, or Luol Deng? That's when you can compare the two records.

[AlexanderRight]

The LeBron hate is just getting sickening. At worst, LeBron is guilty of being arrogant and tactless, and yet you'd think he was a serial murderer and rapist the way people talk about him. What the **** do you want him to do? He admitted he was bad in the finals, isn't that what you wanted? If LeBron says he fails, he's "mentally weak". If he doesn't, he's "arrogant". No matter what LeBron says or does, you find some way to twist it into making him look like an asshole. At this point, why do you even care if you're not a Cavs fan? Get the **** over it. There is probably no player in NBA history who had to deal with the insane expectations that LBJ has had since day 1, and he has met them for the most part. No matter what he does, you don't give him credit, and you constantly find ways to rag on him. It's just sad at this point. And, before I get any immature unoriginal bullshit replies like "LOL U Mad?" or "LeBrick choked hahah" just stuff it. You're damn right I'm mad, I don't think LeBron deserves this hatred 24/7 for every little thing he does. He makes a comment after the Finals which everyone takes to mean "haha my life>yours" which was not what I got out of it all...it sounded to me like LeBron was saying that it's just a game and we can all move on with our lives. HE had a right to be defensive and irritated with all the shit he gets. Furthermore, how come no one ever brings up the fact that the very next day LBJ said clarified what he meant and said "I would never mean to say I am better than any man or woman on this earth" (not an exact quote, something along those lines though)?" Oh right, it doesn't fit your ****ing agendas where LeBron is an evil, arrogant, choking loser who is destroying the world and deserves to be in jail for saying what he thinks and not going through life without making any mistakes. LeBron is not a bad person, he wants people to like him, and for much of his career everyone (except a few idiots) did. Now, he makes a decision that he admits was tactless and he is treated like Jeffrey Dahmer. Grow the **** up, and get a ****ing life.





/Rant

http://i740.photobucket.com/albums/xx45/TheStigIsBig/blackguyclapping.gif

[Lebron23]

How about keeping the same roster AND replacing Lebron with a decent SF, like Gerald Wallace, Rudy Gay, or Luol Deng? That's when you can compare the two records.


You are probably the biggest idiot in this forum.

[Nick Young]

You are probably the biggest idiot in this forum.

Why you still support the man who has shown himself to be mentally weak, mocks teams with pregame photoroutine gimmicks and dancing on the sidelines, slapped his own city with a backhand across the face on national TV, promised 8 rings to Miami, said the games would be easy compared to practice, and then lied to his own fans and the world about 'sitting at home by himself after the finals' when really he was partying it up in the Bahamas with a smile on his face two days after losing game 6?

His style of play of iso ball at the top of the key for 20 seconds and then driving to get freethrows or pass to a teammate in the corner is IMO boring.

Why do you still support this man so strongly?

[pegasus]

You are probably the biggest idiot in this forum.

I can say the same for you without needing the word "probably".

[Lebron23]

I can say the same for you without needing the word "probably".


Just shut your mouth.

[ballsohard247]

I think it's cool LeBron is opening up a little and saying that he is not without fault. I wasn't mad at LeBron for his "decision" just let down at how he went about it. LeBron was one of my favorite players before he left Cleveland and I liked him for how he played, not for his personality. He was never my role model and honestly sports is not the ideal place to find a role model. He gets paid to play ball, and at the end of the day his on court performance is all I care about. Can't wait for Christmas.:banana:

[Heavincent]

Just shut your mouth.

mad

[pegasus]

Just shut your mouth.

Keep up or shut up, bitch.

[Nash]

How about keeping the same roster AND replacing Lebron with a decent SF, like Gerald Wallace, Rudy Gay, or Luol Deng? That's when you can compare the two records.
So you're saying that Lebron is the difference between worst losing streak in history and being the best team in regular season. You just basically admitted that it was all Lebron...

You think Lakers would be the worst team in NBA without Kobe and with, I don't know, Shannon Brown instead? You think Chicago would be the worst team in NBA history without Rose? Etc etc..This just tells you what Lebron was doing with those scrubs, dude was doing miracles.

[Heavincent]

You think Lakers would be the worst team in NBA without Kobe and with, I don't know, Shannon Brown instead? You think Chicago would be the worst team in NBA history without Rose? Etc etc..This just tells you what Lebron was doing with those scrubs, dude was doing miracles.

Funny how Kobe winning championships is strictly a "team accomplishment", but Cleveland's 55+ win seasons were not. It was only because of Lebron. His teammates had nothing to do with it.

[stallionaire]

LeBron had nobody on the Cavs that is even relevant today. Kobe has teammates you can trade for all-stars (2 for 1 obviously). Period.

[Nash]

Funny how Kobe winning championships is strictly a "team accomplishment", but Cleveland's 55+ win seasons were not. It was only because of Lebron. His teammates had nothing to do with it.
Its never an individuals work, I never said that. But there is degree of how important a player really is. Lebron's scrubs from Cleveland showed that they are one of the worst teams in NBA history without Lebron. Lakers would never win the championship without Kobe, no way. But they would never be even close to this shit team Lebron had to deal with.

Fisher
Brown
Artest
Gasol/Odom
Bynum

comparing that to

Mo Williams
Parker
Jamison
Varejao
Shaq

[Simple Jack]

What the hell are you still talking about? I did answer you question about Cleveland's losing streak. If you don't like it because it doesn't fit your agenda, then don't read it. Or, try to come up with a counter argument other than just stating how many games they lost.



I wasn't passing judgment, I was clearly stating my perception of him. It may be correct, it may be not, but it doesn't change the fact that that's how I see him after having "witnessed" his persona for eight years.

I analyzed his game, his strengths and weaknesses, in my previous post, so I won't do it again. A non Lebron-homer would see that I did not base my assessment on his personality.

I'm still saying that he's a near top-5 player. Even if he could stop being an arrogant douche bag, I would rate him the same. However, that would change my desire to see him fail. You may disagree, but I don't give a damn.

I really don't take any of your posts seriously; thought put into them or not. I just wanted to you to respond to the post I made, quoting another poster, regarding our discussion about Cleveland. You magically stopped posting in that thread after trolling it for days.

Here I'll make it easy for you:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=240427&page=7

Near top-5 player :roll:

[LBJ 23]

Funny how Kobe winning championships is strictly a "team accomplishment", but Cleveland's 55+ win seasons were not. It was only because of Lebron. His teammates had nothing to do with it.


Lakers without Kobe did not struggle as much as Cavs without Lebron did. Not even close. And don't start with ''Lebron ball'' because while he was in Cleveland that was the main thing you were repeating all the time. This Cavs team will never win cuz of ''Lebron ball''.

Now this year in the Finals you blame him for shying away from this so called ''Lebron ball''? He wasn't forcing shoots, he did not hold the ball for 20 seconds, he was passing too much..... he was doing the exact opposite of ''Lebron ball'' and you're still not happy? You have to decide now what you want from him?

I remember in 2010 when Cavs lost to Boston and Lebron also didn't play his usual ''Lebron ball''(when he quit) and then Lebron fans said, ''now you can see what this Cavs team is without Lebron, nothing.'' Your response was that that Cavs team was made perfectly for Lebron and couldn't function without him(mostly shooters, no one to create etc...). What about this year then? I think this Miami team had pretty good players to create and function in Wade and Bosh, when Lebron didn't play his ''Lebron ball'' in the Finals. So why weren't they succesfull when Lebron wasn't the main guy?

When in Cleveland, ''he will never win, at least not for as long as he will play Lebron ball''.

In Miami, when doing the exact opposite of ''Lebron ball'' in the Finals you're still not satisfied and blame him?

Double standards and hypocrisy at it's best, and at least don't contradict yourself. You're making yourself look stupid.


I admit that he played like shit in the last Finals, but I was not blaming him for playing Lebron ball while in Cleveland cuz that's his main weapon and that way he helps his team the most. He's one of the few players in NBA history who can afford to play that way and at the same time bring the most out of his team.

[pegasus]

So you're saying that Lebron is the difference between worst losing streak in history and being the best team in regular season. You just basically admitted that it was all Lebron...

You think Lakers would be the worst team in NBA without Kobe and with, I don't know, Shannon Brown instead? You think Chicago would be the worst team in NBA history without Rose? Etc etc..This just tells you what Lebron was doing with those scrubs, dude was doing miracles.

I see that you and simple jack have weak reading comprehension skills, so I will try and make this easy on you guys:

Apples+Lebron = Best record in the league (2010)
Oranges + no Lebron = Worst record in the league (2011)
Apples=\=Oranges

Above three are facts, but we'll never know what the followings would have resulted in:

Apples+a decent SF = ?
Oranges+Lebron = ?

I'm done with this subject now. Next is fractions...

[LBJMVP]

lol at people who think that Clevelands worst losing streak from last season doesn't have anything to do with Lebron. Delonte West, Shaq and Illgauskas, really?

Sure, lets say they didn't lose the 38 year old Shaq and Delonte West.

Mo Williams
Parker
Jamison
Varejao
Shaq

You guys think keeping a 38 year old Shaq would have made a difference to Clevelands losing streak? Because thats the same team MINUS Lebron. They went from the best team in the NBA during regular season with Lebron to the worst losing streak in NBA f*ckin' HISTORY!


williams got traded, jamison was hurt a long time, and varajoe was out a long time with an ankle injury GTFO.

we started alonzo gee, ryan hollins, hickson, manny harris, and baron davis for a while. throw in sessions, gibson, and even samardo samuels somtimes.

[RRR3]

Lakers without Kobe did not struggle as much as Cavs without Lebron did. Not even close. And don't start with ''Lebron ball'' because while he was in Cleveland that was the main thing you were repeating all the time. This Cavs team will never win cuz of ''Lebron ball''.

Now this year in the Finals you blame him for shying away from this so called ''Lebron ball''? He wasn't forcing shoots, he did not hold the ball for 20 seconds, he was passing too much..... he was doing the exact opposite of ''Lebron ball'' and you're still not happy? You have to decide now what you want from him?

I remember in 2010 when Cavs lost to Boston and Lebron also didn't play his usual ''Lebron ball''(when he quit) and then Lebron fans said, ''now you can see what this Cavs team is without Lebron, nothing.'' Your response was that that Cavs team was made perfectly for Lebron and couldn't function without him(mostly shooters, no one to create etc...). What about this year then? I think this Miami team had pretty good players to create and function in Wade and Bosh, when Lebron didn't play his ''Lebron ball'' in the Finals. So why weren't they succesfull when Lebron wasn't playing ''Lebron ball''?

When in Cleveland, ''he will never win, at least not for as long as he will play Lebron ball''.

In Miami, when doing the exact opposite of ''Lebron ball'' in the Finals you're still not satisfied and blame him?

Double standards and hypocrisy at it's best, and at least don't contradict yourself. You're making yourself look stupid.


I admit that he played like shit in the last Finals, but I was not blaming him for playing Lebron ball while in Cleveland cuz that's his main weapon and that way he helps his team the most. He's one of the few players in NBA history who can afford to play that way and bring the most out of his team.
:applause:

[Simple Jack]

I see that you and simple jack have weak reading comprehension skills, so I will try and make this easy on you guys:

Apples+Lebron = Best record in the league (2010)
Oranges + no Lebron = Worst record in the league (2011)
Apples=\=Oranges

Above three are facts, but we'll never know what the followings would have resulted in:

Apples+a decent SF = ?
Oranges+Lebron = ?

I'm done with this subject now. Next is fractions...

The analogy would make sense if they didn't win at the level they did, and lose at the level they did (including when LeBron was on the team, just didn't play), relative to other superstars. If the team wasn't horrendous when LeBron sat out games the previous few years (what were they, 1-12?), then I'd at least give your argument some credibility.

I even posted a link...and still nothing

[gasolina]

Don't want this thread to be about lebron in his game. This needs to be about him locked up in his room in south beach talkin to nobody and AT THE SAME TIME was smiling all about in the Bahamas

[Heavincent]

Lakers without Kobe did not struggle as much as Cavs without Lebron did. Not even close. And don't start with ''Lebron ball'' because while he was in Cleveland that was the main thing you were repeating all the time. This Cavs team will never win cuz of ''Lebron ball''.

Now this year in the Finals you blame him for shying away from this so called ''Lebron ball''? He wasn't forcing shoots, he did not hold the ball for 20 seconds, he was passing too much..... he was doing the exact opposite of ''Lebron ball'' and you're still not happy? You have to decide now what you want from him?

I remember in 2010 when Cavs lost to Boston and Lebron also didn't play his usual ''Lebron ball''(when he quit) and then Lebron fans said, ''now you can see what this Cavs team is without Lebron, nothing.'' Your response was that that Cavs team was made perfectly for Lebron and couldn't function without him(mostly shooters, no one to create etc...). What about this year then? I think this Miami team had pretty good players to create and function in Wade and Bosh, when Lebron didn't play his ''Lebron ball'' in the Finals. So why weren't they succesfull when Lebron wasn't the main guy?

When in Cleveland, ''he will never win, at least not for as long as he will play Lebron ball''.

In Miami, when doing the exact opposite of ''Lebron ball'' in the Finals you're still not satisfied and blame him?

Double standards and hypocrisy at it's best, and at least don't contradict yourself. You're making yourself look stupid.


I admit that he played like shit in the last Finals, but I was not blaming him for playing Lebron ball while in Cleveland cuz that's his main weapon and that way he helps his team the most. He's one of the few players in NBA history who can afford to play that way and at the same time bring the most out of his team.

Cool, but this doesn't really have anything to do with my post. I think you replied to the wrong post.

[Nick Young]

Why was Kobe even brought into this discussion?

Lebron fans bring up Kobe every time their hero does something dumb to distract from the point at hand:facepalm

[madmax]

Lakers without Kobe did not struggle as much as Cavs without Lebron did. Not even close. And don't start with ''Lebron ball'' because while he was in Cleveland that was the main thing you were repeating all the time. This Cavs team will never win cuz of ''Lebron ball''.

Now this year in the Finals you blame him for shying away from this so called ''Lebron ball''? He wasn't forcing shoots, he did not hold the ball for 20 seconds, he was passing too much..... he was doing the exact opposite of ''Lebron ball'' and you're still not happy? You have to decide now what you want from him?

I remember in 2010 when Cavs lost to Boston and Lebron also didn't play his usual ''Lebron ball''(when he quit) and then Lebron fans said, ''now you can see what this Cavs team is without Lebron, nothing.'' Your response was that that Cavs team was made perfectly for Lebron and couldn't function without him(mostly shooters, no one to create etc...). What about this year then? I think this Miami team had pretty good players to create and function in Wade and Bosh, when Lebron didn't play his ''Lebron ball'' in the Finals. So why weren't they succesfull when Lebron wasn't the main guy?

When in Cleveland, ''he will never win, at least not for as long as he will play Lebron ball''.

In Miami, when doing the exact opposite of ''Lebron ball'' in the Finals you're still not satisfied and blame him?

Double standards and hypocrisy at it's best, and at least don't contradict yourself. You're making yourself look stupid.


I admit that he played like shit in the last Finals, but I was not blaming him for playing Lebron ball while in Cleveland cuz that's his main weapon and that way he helps his team the most. He's one of the few players in NBA history who can afford to play that way and at the same time bring the most out of his team.

:bowdown: :applause:
Shutting down silly hating clowns like Da BOSS

[Kiarip]

Lakers without Kobe did not struggle as much as Cavs without Lebron did. Not even close. And don't start with ''Lebron ball'' because while he was in Cleveland that was the main thing you were repeating all the time. This Cavs team will never win cuz of ''Lebron ball''.

Now this year in the Finals you blame him for shying away from this so called ''Lebron ball''? He wasn't forcing shoots, he did not hold the ball for 20 seconds, he was passing too much..... he was doing the exact opposite of ''Lebron ball'' and you're still not happy? You have to decide now what you want from him?

I remember in 2010 when Cavs lost to Boston and Lebron also didn't play his usual ''Lebron ball''(when he quit) and then Lebron fans said, ''now you can see what this Cavs team is without Lebron, nothing.'' Your response was that that Cavs team was made perfectly for Lebron and couldn't function without him(mostly shooters, no one to create etc...). What about this year then? I think this Miami team had pretty good players to create and function in Wade and Bosh, when Lebron didn't play his ''Lebron ball'' in the Finals. So why weren't they succesfull when Lebron wasn't the main guy?

When in Cleveland, ''he will never win, at least not for as long as he will play Lebron ball''.

In Miami, when doing the exact opposite of ''Lebron ball'' in the Finals you're still not satisfied and blame him?

Double standards and hypocrisy at it's best, and at least don't contradict yourself. You're making yourself look stupid.


I admit that he played like shit in the last Finals, but I was not blaming him for playing Lebron ball while in Cleveland cuz that's his main weapon and that way he helps his team the most. He's one of the few players in NBA history who can afford to play that way and at the same time bring the most out of his team.

I don't think it's really hypocrisy.

the problem is Lebron is really bad off-ball. So he needs the ball in his hands. Wade is slightly better off-ball, but not by much, so he also needs the ball in his hands. One of those two is going to dominate the ball, or they will take turns, but the other one will not be very useful (not useful enough to warrant a 15 mil contract.) So, in the finals it was Wade and Lebron was pretty useless... and it's not at all hypocritical to call out Lebron for being useless, because that's what he was. If Lebron played "Lebron ball" and they still lost you could blame it on Wade.

In Cleveland when Lebron played "Lebron ball" pretty much every player that got traded to the team that was border-line all-star level player (mo williams, antawn jamison, shaq in phoenix, etc. were all players that could perform on the level of some all-stars.) became role-playing scrubs because he was just way too ball-dominant.

[imdaman99]

id rather open up rachel nichols instead of opening up to her.

spread them legs woman :banana:

[pegasus]

The analogy would make sense if they didn't win at the level they did, and lose at the level they did (including when LeBron was on the team, just didn't play), relative to other superstars. If the team wasn't horrendous when LeBron sat out games the previous few years (what were they, 1-12?), then I'd at least give your argument some credibility.
I even posted a link...and still nothing
I feel like I'm having a conversation with your ass now. Is it where that 1-12 record came from?

Lebron missed only 7 games in his last two years with the Cavs. I couldn't find out how many games they lost/won, but it doesn't matter, because it's not a big enough sample size. I hope you weren't including the 2007-08 season, because their record was only 45-37 that year. Nothing impressive there, with or without Lebron.

I finally skimmed through that guy's post that you were dying for me to read. It's full of opinions, and not worthy of a discussion unless you would care to elaborate on it with some hardcore evidence. But do your homework better this time, because you know I will look it up.

If you don't respond, I will assume that you now admit my analogy makes sense, and your only counter argument was proved to be baseless.

[Kyle_korver]

Question.... How come all lebron haters say he needs to shutup n play ball but pay attention to everything he does off the court??:confusedshrug:

[Lucifer]

Why are they sitting so close to each other? think lebron got a boner?

[LakersReign]

Why was Kobe even brought into this discussion?

Lebron fans bring up Kobe every time their hero does something dumb to distract from the point at hand:facepalm


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That's simply cuz they had very little interest in the NBA until '03 when the Cavs signed Lebron, so they know nothing about basketball. And trying to have a basketball conversation with them, is A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME, due to the fact that they have NO OBJECTIVITY WHATSOEVER in regards to Lebron. They CAN'T AND WON'T admit to his faults, which are obvious, and whenever they're brought up, bring up Kobe's faults in defense, like that will SOMEHOW make Lebron develop a post game. Which he DOES NOT have and has very little interest in. It's either that or a personal attack, which proves my point.

[pegasus]

Question.... How come all lebron haters say he needs to shutup n play ball but pay attention to everything he does off the court??:confusedshrug:
Because he doesn't shut up. Every month, he does or says something stupid off the court. It's usually even worse during the season.

[Lucifer]

Question.... How come all lebron haters say he needs to shutup n play ball but pay attention to everything he does off the court??:confusedshrug:

Because he's NOT paying attention to what he does off the court, if he did he would have SHUT up which is the initial point that was made.

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[Simple Jack]

I feel like I'm having a conversation with your ass now. Is it where that 1-12 record came from?

Lebron missed only 7 games in his last two years with the Cavs. I couldn't find out how many games they lost/won, but it doesn't matter, because it's not a big enough sample size. I hope you weren't including the 2007-08 season, because their record was only 45-37 that year. Nothing impressive there, with or without Lebron.

I finally skimmed through that guy's post that you were dying for me to read. It's full of opinions, and not worthy of a discussion unless you would care to elaborate on it with some hardcore evidence. But do your homework better this time, because you know I will look it up.

If you don't respond, I will assume that you now admit my analogy makes sense, and your only counter argument was proved to be baseless.

I knew the number came from somewhere, hence the ? mark. Wasn't sure of the duration of time though; although it happened to be since 07-08.

45-37 is a lot more impressive than 0-7, wouldn't you agree? Look at the last game of the season that year; the Cleveland starters essentially lost to the Detroit bench...

That's semantics though; the point is, when LeBron was on the floor, with other KEY players injured, the team didn't skip a beat; again, I'm guessing here because I'm too lazy to check, but I believe the Cavaliers went something like 12-1 without Delonte and Mo Williams the other season, including beating LA without Mo, who were red hot at the time. They won a high % of games without Shaq and Z as well. When LeBron wasn't playing...the team happened to lose nearly all of its games. I understand this doesn't fit your agenda, but you need to acknowledge it.

As for the how good the team was in general, that's why I quoted KBlaze. Because he went a lot deeper into the rosters of other great teams that have won that many games, or near that many games and it's a common trend. They were all loaded with talent to the point where comparing them with Cleveland in their 66 win year is just laughable.

[LakersReign]

Question.... How come all lebron haters say he needs to shutup n play ball but pay attention to everything he does off the court??:confusedshrug:


It's amazing how Lebron fans are so delusional, but STILL keep trying to play mind games. The only people OBSESSED with Lebron are his fans and his fans only. So, please keep trying to play that reverse psychology card. There's a reason it hasn't worked in the last 9 years.

[SacJB Shady]

It seems to me like Lebrons face has slimmed down a little. Or maybe it's just the clothes. But he does appear more youthful and looks like he's in pretty good shape. I expect to see a different character in LBJ next season. The heat have a very good shot at winning the ring.

[2swift4u]

It seems to me like Lebrons face has slimmed down a little. Or maybe it's just the clothes. But he does appear more youthful and looks like he's in pretty good shape. I expect to see a different character in LBJ next season. The heat have a very good shot at winning the ring.

true. I think he lost some weight. I somehow hope that the fans will treat him a little bit better this year since I want to see him play at his best, not because I'm a Lebron fan but because I'm a basketball fan! Players like Lebron, Kobe, Jordan etc. don't come along too often... so I want to see them play their best basketball.

[Phong]

I somehow hope that the fans will treat him a little bit better this year since I want to see him play at his best.Are you saying he can't play at his best because some people are mean to him?

[SacJB Shady]

true. I think he lost some weight. I somehow hope that the fans will treat him a little bit better this year since I want to see him play at his best, not because I'm a Lebron fan but because I'm a basketball fan! Players like Lebron, Kobe, Jordan etc. don't come along too often... so I want to see them play their best basketball.



Yea. I think Lebron made a distasteful decision by doing the Decision. but at the same time, I found it amusing and quite entertaining watching them have the preseason parade. I can understand why Cavs be pissed at the time, but for me, i thought it was just fun and funny.

The Dirk mocking incident was immature but also Wades fault

And the comment about how he's gonna continue to live his life and everyone will go back to theirs, I didn't think that was a big deal. For one, he just lost the championship and was hated on like crazy and two, you can interpret his meaning in multiple ways. Lastily, he apologized for it and seemed honest..

I think Lebron just made some bad unwise decisions. But he aint no true villain. I am not buying that. He's human just like the rest of us.

[2swift4u]

Are you saying he can't play at his best because some people are mean to him?

well I would think so. At least I know it would affect my performance if everbody hated me!

But of course I'm not saying he collapsed in the finals because of that. He just messed up.. and if he wants to be one of the all time greatest he needs to deliver in the finals! no excuses allowed!

[pegasus]

In this class, I'm gonna dissect you like a frog... I mean your post:


I knew the number came from somewhere, hence the ? mark. Wasn't sure of the duration of time though; although it happened to be since 07-08.

Lebron missed 7 games in 07-08, so the total is 14. Your 1-12 record still can't be right. However, they did lose 5 games in a row when James was out with the finger injury, and they won the first game he came back.

Looks impressive for Bron, right? Not so much. They won that game against Indiana because of Larry Hughes, who scored 36 points on insane 13/17 shooting. Lebron had 17 points only.

The revisionist historians like yourself would say that they lost five in a row, and the second he was back, they started winning again. Fine, say that if it fits your agenda. But then, what about Cleveland losing the next two games against the sucky teams like the NJ and the 76ers despite Lebron playing 40+ minutes in each game? Ha??


45-37 is a lot more impressive than 0-7, wouldn't you agree? Look at the last game of the season that year; the Cleveland starters essentially lost to the Detroit bench...

No, now that I put certain things into perspective, I'm sure even you would admit that there was nothing impressive about them that year. They weren't that good with Lebron, and they were simply and understandably worse without Lebron. Does that make him this biggest impact player who took scrubs to the best record in the league all by himself? Yeah, 45-37.



That's semantics though; the point is, when LeBron was on the floor, with other KEY players injured, the team didn't skip a beat; again, I'm guessing here because I'm too lazy to check, but I believe the Cavaliers went something like 12-1 without Delonte and Mo Williams the other season, including beating LA without Mo, who were red hot at the time. They won a high % of games without Shaq and Z as well. When LeBron wasn't playing...the team happened to lose nearly all of its games. I understand this doesn't fit your agenda, but you need to acknowledge it.

About the first underlined part of your sentence above: You're not guessing, you're making things up again. Prove it with numbers. I like numbers, don't you? They can't lie.

And the second: It DID not happen. Cleveland won 66 games in 2008-09 season but lost both of their games to the LA. Lebron shot 9/25, committed 6 TOV's, and scored 26 points in game 1. Mo scored 16, Varejao chipped in with 10, Sasha had 12, and JJ scored 11. All around good effort from the team, but they lost.

The second game was even worse for Lebron. He had only 16 points (5/20, 2/8 3's, 4/8 ft's). Z and Mo outscored him with 22 and 19, respectively. And Wally had 16, matching Lebron's contribution.

In 2009-10, the Cavs won both games. Lebron had 26 points in game 1 (9/19, 2/7 3's, 6/11 ft's), and committed 6 TOV's. Mo, once again, outscored him with 28 points, and Shaq had 11. Moon, Varejao, and Delonte made the difference in that game, by jointly shooting 13/15 from the field, scoring 29 points.

Was that the red-hot LA team the Lebron-led Cavs team beat without Mo? Because LA had won 11 in a row, before losing to Utah, then had won 5 more, then lost to Cleveland. You could say that they were hot. But you couldn't be referring to that game, because Mo outscored Lebron that day, let alone the Cavs beating the LA without him.

Maybe you were talking about their second match-up that season, because Mo was out with an injury. But the funny thing is, the LA had already lost 4 more games out of the next 13 between their two match-ups. So, they were definitely not hot anymore.

Lebron had his best game against the LA in two years, scoring 37 points on 13/25 shooting. He shot 1/9 from the three point line, and went to the free-throw line 13 times, making 10 of them. Knowing how he flops, I'm gonna put an * on this one.

Hickson helped out with 11/14, V added 11/8, and Shaq had 13/6. Again, good overall help, but I admit that they were definitely led by Lebron.

So what if he had one good game against the LA? When Rose was injured last year, our back-up guard C.J. Watson shot 11/22 and scored 33 points against Denver (Melo played) in Denver. We lost to Melo's buzzer beater, so we almost won that game. Does that mean that C.J. Watson is an all-star level player, who can replicate Rose's contributions on any given night? The answer is:... (I'll let you answer it; consider this a quiz).

Another example: Eddie House shot 14/27 and scored 35 points in Miami's win against the Raptors last year. You'd probably give full credit to Lebron, saying he must have set him up perfectly, etc. But, guess what? None of the big 3 played, because it was the last game of the season. And they still beat the Raptors by 19 points, even though Toronto played all of their young talents 40+ minutes (Derozan, Bayless, Johnson). What does that make House? I'll answer this one, because you've been through enough by now: nothing, he just had one good game.


As for the how good the team was in general, that's why I quoted KBlaze. Because he went a lot deeper into the rosters of other great teams that have won that many games, or near that many games and it's a common trend. They were all loaded with talent to the point where comparing them with Cleveland in their 66 win year is just laughable.

Enough with the KBlaze's post already. I went a lot deeper now and proved all of your points wrong.

Class dismissed. Now go take a shower with the gym teacher or something.

[9512]

Forget Rachel Nichols!

Hannah Storm looks better than ever! She was with NBC but her looks improved as she aged. Monica Belluci Syndrome.:rockon:

[Phong]

Simple Jack guessing and believing shit, and Pegasus delivering the knock out punch with cold hard facts. :eek:

[Simple Jack]

Lebron missed 7 games in 07-08, so the total is 14. Your 1-12 record still can't be right. However, they did lose 5 games in a row when James was out with the finger injury, and they won the first game he came back.

Looks impressive for Bron, right? Not so much. They won that game against Indiana because of Larry Hughes, who scored 36 points on insane 13/17 shooting. Lebron had 17 points only.

The revisionist historians like yourself would say that they lost five in a row, and the second he was back, they started winning again. Fine, say that if it fits your agenda. But then, what about Cleveland losing the next two games against the sucky teams like the NJ and the 76ers despite Lebron playing 40+ minutes in each game? Ha??

The 1-12 was an estimate; do I need to really mention that again? I wasn’t sure of the duration; but it’s from 07-08 on just a look at how many games he’s missed the past 2 years which wasn’t 13 or anywhere near the number I mentioned.


No, now that I put certain things into perspective, I'm sure even you would admit that there was nothing impressive about them that year. They weren't that good with Lebron, and they were simply and understandably worse without Lebron. Does that make him this biggest impact player who took scrubs to the best record in the league all by himself? Yeah, 45-37.

Right, so 45-37 isn’t considerably more impressive than going winless during a 7 game stretch…

As for the Laker game I mentioned, Lakers were 32-10 at the time (I’m sure, good enough for the best or one of the best records in the league). Those Cavs, which apparently were a great enough team to be compared with those that have won 60+ games historically, according to this idiot, were missing their 2nd best player in Mo Williams, and they still beat arguably the best team in the league, in a pivotal game. There doesn’t need to be any further analysis; it’s quit simple, as is this whole discussion.

Cavaliers were great despite missing plenty of these “key” players throughout various points of the season, but with LeBron playing. Without LeBron…not so much. Fast forward a year where the only player of note that they lost was LeBron, and they go on a historic losing streak. Apply some logic and stop grasping for straws.

And you didn't address KBlaze's post at all. This discussion was whether the Cavaliers were good relative to other teams that were winning at that rate and you've made no attempt to even address that point.

*Insert homosexual line related to men showering*

[pegasus]

[QUOTE=Simple Jack]The 1-12 was an estimate; do I need to really mention that again? I wasn

[Simple Jack]

What 7 game stretch? You still don't have your facts right. You need to go look up those games before you make more "estimations". At this point, you have 0 credibility.



I already gave you the details of Lebron's and his teammates' performances against the Lakers during the 08-09 and 09-10 seasons. How can you still say that that one single game out of the four meant enough to convince someone to acknowledge this so-called fact that Lebron did something no one had ever done before? Is it because it was a Christmas game? Is that what you had wished for Christmas that year? Sorry to burst your bubble, but there's no Santa Claus.



Why do you keep saying that without providing any credible evidence to back it up? Tell me which players were injured, who did they play against during that stretch, what were Lebron's numbers, what did his other teammates do, did anyone else step up their games, etc. I can't just take your word for it. Come on, do some digging.

And about that sentence that I have underlined: ARE YOU AN IDIOT? How can you still say that they only lost Lebron? Their entire starting 5 was different. Are you telling me that those players were pretty much the same, that if Lebron went back to Cleveland now, he would still take those scrub rookies to 60+ seasons? Get a clue already!

And one more example about players getting injured, team's struggles, etc:

Dallas was 25-5 (best record behind SAS) when they lost Nowitzki to knee injury last year, and went 2-7 without him. They continued to struggle two more games after he came back (averaged 22.5 mpg in those two loses). He even admitted that he had rushed his return because of his team's struggles. Then, guess what? They beat THE LAKERS in their third game (what an unfortunate coincidence for you:lol), and got back on the right track and went on to winning it all. Now tell me, how is that not more impressive? It was proven that they were trash without him, but with him they WON the chip, and Butler didn't even play a single minute in the playoffs.



Those two Cleveland teams had great chemistry, and everything was built to complement Lebron. They had great success in the regular season, but came up short in the playoffs. Why are you trying so hard to make it seem like an earth-shattering accomplishment? Was it MVP worthy? Yes. Did he win it? Yes. Do you want him to get more credit for it? Yes. Do I know why? Yes, because you're a hopeless Lebron-homer!



This one is my favorite. You must have really thought that this line was cuter than your initial one (insert tacky joke related to Sandunsky incident):lol I'm still laughing that you felt the need to go back and edit your post to change it to this. It melts my heart.:lol

In regards to the others, I don't have the time nor the patience to debate with someone who is widely considered one of the bigger trolls on the forum.

I can't even begin to dissect how illogical and retarded your posts have been and doing so would prove fruitless.

And change of the last comment was made in order to better showcase your portrayal of your homosexual fantasies as per your last post referencing me showering with a gym teacher.

If I go back and show you how the Cavaliers played extremely good ball without various key players missing throughout many points of the season, which is a fact; I'll get nothing other than a response from you changing the topic once again (as it has already been changed from LeBron's team being overrated relative to other teams that have won at that rate) and act like it never happened; or simply not respond as you did in the other thread.

You seem to have facts on hand so why don't you make a list of the players that were injured during LeBron's last season on the Cavaliers; the record of t he team during that time; and LeBron's averages in those games since you seem to have all the time in the world. It's funny to point out however, that i the games you did mention, numbers were the only thing you used. Would you like me to go through various Lakers games where Kobe was severely outperformed by his teammates, only to have you tell me to "watch the games" and that numbers lie and don't tell the whole story when you're clearly stating the opposite now?

I'm not trying to prove it's an earth shattering accomplishment; there's no need to try. A simple recap of NBA teams throughout history that have won at that percentage proves that point for me.

[RRR3]

Simple Jack shitting all over that clown Pegashit! :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: