bigger upside. spurs or clippers

[MooseJuiceBowen]

clippers fans are coming out of the wood work like they just drafted jordan this off season. They think they have a better upside then the spurs. They think they will have blake griffin for 7 years minimum. They think they dont have the worst owner in the NBA. should i list sterlings incidents?

Season City W L
2010-11 San Antonio 61 21
2009-10 San Antonio 50 32
2008-09 San Antonio 54 28
2007-08 San Antonio 56 26
2006-07 San Antonio 58 24
2005-06 San Antonio 63 19
2004-05 San Antonio 59 23
2003-04 San Antonio 57 25
2002-03 San Antonio 60 22
2001-02 San Antonio 58 24
2000-01 San Antonio 58 24
1999-00 San Antonio 53 29
1998-99 * San Antonio 37 13
1997-98 San Antonio 56 26


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2010-11 Los Angeles 32 50 .390 4th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
2009-10 Los Angeles 29 53 .354 3rd Pacific Division - - - DNQ
2008-09 Los Angeles 19 63 .232 4th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
2007-08 Los Angeles 23 59 .280 5th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
2006-07 Los Angeles 40 42 .488 4th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
2005-06 Los Angeles 47 35 .573 2nd Pacific Division 7 5 .583 Lost West Conf Semis
2004-05 Los Angeles 37 45 .451 3rd Pacific Division - - - DNQ
2003-04 Los Angeles 28 54 .341 7th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
2002-03 Los Angeles 27 55 .329 7th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
2001-02 Los Angeles 39 43 .476 5th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
2000-01 Los Angeles 31 51 .378 6th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1999-00 Los Angeles 15 67 .183 7th Pacific Division - - - DNQ



LOL look I understand the clippers finally have some talent they MIGHT be able to do something with despite having the worst owner in the NBA. but you clipper fans need to chill out and do something first before you open your mouth

clippers dont even have 1 recent 50+ win season while the spurs had 12 in a row would be 13 if the lockout didnt happen.


did i happen to mention sterling was the clippers owner??? how could a team with sterling as the owner have a better upside then the spurs front office?

[Clippersfan86]

You realize upside/future is the opposite of decline/past right? :oldlol:

[MooseJuiceBowen]

You realize upside/future is the opposite of decline/past right? :oldlol:


you have to look at the past YOU CANT DISMISS IT.

[BGriffin's Dad]

Bottom line: your team is old and declining, our's is young and rising.

it's a process.. i'm sure the spurs will eventually rebuild and possibly contend again, just not before the clippers.

[Clippersfan86]

Bottom line: your team is old and declining, our's is young and rising.

it's a process.. i'm sure the spurs will eventually rebuild and possibly contend again, just not before the clippers.

Exactly.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

Bottom line: your team is old and declining, our's is young and rising.

it's a process.. i'm sure the spurs will eventually rebuild and possibly contend again, just not before the clippers.

I guess time will tell. it will suck when blake demands a trade then your core gets blown up again and your back to point a before you even had a chance to contend

[BGriffin's Dad]

you have to look at the past YOU CANT DISMISS IT.

you're looking at team histories over a decade long.. rosters haven't remained the same for either team, so of what use are these past performances to predict future results?

[Fiasco]

We drafted Jordan this season? With what pick?

[HylianNightmare]

while i agree that the clippers have a brighter future, i have noticed more clipper fans coming around than usual. just like miami last season except they aren't so arrogant

[MooseJuiceBowen]

you're looking at team histories over a decade long.. rosters haven't remained the same for either team, so of what use are these past performances to predict future results?

I think clipper fans dont understand how much influence the front office has on a team. seeing as how clippers have never had a single 50 win season you think they would realize that.

[B]

Pops is miles ahead of Vinny as a coach
Spurs front office and ownership is miles ahead of the Clippers

Spurs have some of the best veteran players in the league
Clippers have solid exciting young inexperienced talent

Spurs have proven track record that shows they are capable of rebuilding on the fly.
Clippers have proven track record that shows they can't build anything but their fans hopes.

[hawkfan]

The Spurs should have a good amount of cap space next season to land a Dwight Howard.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

while i agree that the clippers have a brighter future, i have noticed more clipper fans coming around than usual. just like miami last season except they aren't so arrogant

im not sure what gives clipper fans all this ego boost. blake griffin dunking on everyone??? that couldnt be it... who would want to band wagon onto the clippers franchise??? lol it will take another losing season without making playoffs to bring them down a peg i guess

[JohnnyFord]

I guess time will tell. it will suck when blake demands a trade then your core gets blown up again and your back to point a before you even had a chance to contend
haha its funny how haters like you always assume stuff. like how u assume the old spurs have more upside than the young clippers. the only spur thats worth talking about is matt boner

[MooseJuiceBowen]

haha its funny how haters like you always assume stuff. like how u assume the old spurs have more upside than the young clippers. the only spur thats worth talking about is matt boner

yah bro completely agree with everything you said. matt "boner" definately the only spur worth talking about. clipper fans for the win!

[LemonMan]

I wanna see clippers FO vs spurs FO 5 on 5 on christmas eve.
and btw like i've said before, past accomplishments do not give stat bonuses to your current players moving forward. Clippers' have a better upside (which means moving forward) and spurs are on a decline (they were good, and now they're old so they're getting worse)
simple enough explanation?

[Clippersfan86]

while i agree that the clippers have a brighter future, i have noticed more clipper fans coming around than usual. just like miami last season except they aren't so arrogant

The thing is... The Clippers fans here all know their team. We may not always agree but there isn't a single Clippers fan here I wouldn't vouch for. No fake, uneducated Clippers fans. All of us on ISH know the team. Miami had random fans who had never watched basketball before claiming to be diehards. MUCH different fan base.

I think Clippers fans are just becoming louder and more confident and they SHOULD.

[Fiasco]

im not sure what gives clipper fans all this ego boost. blake griffin dunking on everyone??? that couldnt be it... who would want to band wagon onto the clippers franchise??? lol it will take another losing season without making playoffs to bring them down a peg i guess

You joined this site in January, sit the **** down.

[JohnnyFord]

i bet you were hating on my grizzlies last year too saying spurs have more upside and pointing out the grizzlies past........ oh wait tell again what happened to your "big upside" spurs in the playoffs to a grizzlies team that were losers in past years like the clippers?

[JohnnyFord]

I wanna see clippers FO vs spurs FO 5 on 5 on christmas eve.
and btw like i've said before, past accomplishments do not give stat bonuses to your current players moving forward. Clippers' have a better upside (which means moving forward) and spurs are on a decline (they were good, and now they're old so they're getting worse)
simple enough explanation?
fo reals this dude saying based on the past spurs have more upside lmaooo :roll: he doesnt even know what UPSIDE means

[MooseJuiceBowen]

i bet you were hating on my grizzlies last year too saying spurs have more upside and pointing out the grizzlies past........ oh wait tell again what happened to your "big upside" spurs in the playoffs to a grizzlies team that were losers in past years like the clippers?

what happened to the griz? did you go on to a win a ship? how many ships does memphis have?? stop talking

[JohnnyFord]

what happened to the griz? did you go on to a win a ship? how many ships does memphis have?? stop talking
my griz were the 8th seed and what bout your spurs??? and who won that series???? stop talking you dont even know what upside means.
:roll: :roll:

[LemonMan]

what happened to the griz? did you go on to a win a ship? how many ships does memphis have?? stop talking
MEMPHIS beat SPURS
you can't talk about memphis dude

[LoneyROY7]

You joined this site in January, sit the **** down.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l108/diabolo_jo/Dumb20and20Dumber20-20Harry20Hits20.gif

[LemonMan]

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l108/diabolo_jo/Dumb20and20Dumber20-20Harry20Hits20.gif
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Droid101]

Clippers easy.

Spurs look like they're going to try one more go this year before blowing it up.

My opinion? Not smart. Trade your assets while they're hot and try rebuilding NOW. But meh.

[Droid101]

what happened to the griz? did you go on to a win a ship? how many ships does memphis have?? stop talking
The Grizz were a couple of unlucky at-the-basket tip in bounces in Overtime from being in the Western Conference Finals.

The Spurs were two miracle three point makes away from being completely embarassed, 4-1, by an 8 seed, in the first round.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

You joined this site in January, sit the **** down.

you obviously dont know who i am. have fun not making the playoffs

[JohnnyFord]

The Grizz were a couple of unlucky at-the-basket tip in bounces in Overtime from being in the Western Conference Finals.

The Spurs were two miracle three point makes away from being completely embarassed, 4-1, by an 8 seed, in the first round.
he thinks UPSIDE means how many championships a team won :hammerhead:

[Droid101]

you obviously dont know who i am.
Mindless Spurs homer?

I think we know.

[JohnnyFord]

you obviously dont know who i am. have fun not making the playoffs
we all know your that guy who doesnt know the meaning of UPSIDE:oldlol:

[LemonMan]

we all know your that guy who doesnt know the meaning of UPSIDE:oldlol:
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[dbugz]

while i agree that the clippers have a brighter future, i have noticed more clipper fans coming around than usual. just like miami last season except they are so delusional


Fixed.

[TheCalmInsanity]

http://chzjustcapshunz.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/funny-captions-what-is-this-i-dont-even.jpg

[b0bab0i]

we all know your that guy who doesnt know the meaning of UPSIDE:oldlol:
:roll: :roll:

[MooseJuiceBowen]

we will see whos laughing when the clippers cant even make playoffs this season.

[Droid101]

we will see whos laughing when the clippers cant even make playoffs this season.
http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/30/Point_over_your_head.jpg

[MooseJuiceBowen]

Season City W L % Division Position W L % Performance
2010-11 Los Angeles 32 50 .390 4th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
2009-10 Los Angeles 29 53 .354 3rd Pacific Division - - - DNQ
2008-09 Los Angeles 19 63 .232 4th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
2007-08 Los Angeles 23 59 .280 5th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
2006-07 Los Angeles 40 42 .488 4th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
2005-06 Los Angeles 47 35 .573 2nd Pacific Division 7 5 .583 Lost West Conf Semis
2004-05 Los Angeles 37 45 .451 3rd Pacific Division - - - DNQ
2003-04 Los Angeles 28 54 .341 7th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
2002-03 Los Angeles 27 55 .329 7th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
2001-02 Los Angeles 39 43 .476 5th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
2000-01 Los Angeles 31 51 .378 6th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1999-00 Los Angeles 15 67 .183 7th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1998-99 * Los Angeles 9 41 .180 7th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1997-98 Los Angeles 17 65 .207 7th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1996-97 Los Angeles 36 46 .439 5th Pacific Division 0 3 .000 Lost West Conf 1st Rd
1995-96 Los Angeles 29 53 .354 7th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1994-95 Los Angeles 17 65 .207 7th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1993-94 Los Angeles 27 55 .329 7th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1992-93 Los Angeles 41 41 .500 4th Pacific Division 2 3 .400 Lost West Conf 1st Rd
1991-92 Los Angeles 45 37 .549 5th Pacific Division 2 3 .400 Lost West Conf 1st Rd
1990-91 Los Angeles 31 51 .378 6th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1989-90 Los Angeles 30 52 .366 6th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1988-89 Los Angeles 21 61 .256 7th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1987-88 Los Angeles 17 65 .207 6th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1986-87 Los Angeles 12 70 .146 6th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1985-86 Los Angeles 32 50 .390 3rd Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1984-85 Los Angeles 31 51 .378 4th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1983-84 San Diego 30 52 .366 6th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1982-83 San Diego 25 57 .305 6th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1981-82 San Diego 17 65 .207 6th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1980-81 San Diego 36 46 .439 5th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1979-80 San Diego 35 47 .427 5th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1978-79 San Diego 43 39 .524 5th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1977-78 Buffalo 27 55 .329 4th Atlantic Division - - - DNQ
1976-77 Buffalo 30 52 .366 4th Atlantic Division - - - DNQ
1975-76 Buffalo 46 36 .561 2nd Atlantic Division 4 5 .444 Lost East Conf Semis
1974-75 Buffalo 49 33 .598 2nd Atlantic Division 3 4 .429 Lost East Conf Semis
1973-74 Buffalo 42 40 .512 3rd Atlantic Division 2 4 .333 Lost East Conf Semis
1972-73 Buffalo 21 61 .256 3rd Atlantic Division - - - DNQ
1971-72 Buffalo 22 60 .268 4th Atlantic Division - - - DNQ
1970-71 Buffalo 22 60 .268 4th Atlantic Division - - - DNQ



pretty pathetic.

could the clippers would be the worst franchise in the NBA?? do the clippers have the worst win loss percentage out of every team in the NBA throughout history??

[B]

Seven game series. Right now as constructed, who wins? Both squads are healthy Spurs or Clippers

[HurricaneKid]

Hey Clip fans, calm down. Sterling is still ruining the show. I mean running the show. He is going to wreck this.

I would be on your bandwagon but I think he is the worst business owner in the country.

[JohnnyFord]

Season City W L % Division Position W L % Performance
2010-11 Los Angeles 32 50 .390 4th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
2009-10 Los Angeles 29 53 .354 3rd Pacific Division - - - DNQ
2008-09 Los Angeles 19 63 .232 4th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
2007-08 Los Angeles 23 59 .280 5th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
2006-07 Los Angeles 40 42 .488 4th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
2005-06 Los Angeles 47 35 .573 2nd Pacific Division 7 5 .583 Lost West Conf Semis
2004-05 Los Angeles 37 45 .451 3rd Pacific Division - - - DNQ
2003-04 Los Angeles 28 54 .341 7th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
2002-03 Los Angeles 27 55 .329 7th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
2001-02 Los Angeles 39 43 .476 5th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
2000-01 Los Angeles 31 51 .378 6th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1999-00 Los Angeles 15 67 .183 7th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1998-99 * Los Angeles 9 41 .180 7th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1997-98 Los Angeles 17 65 .207 7th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1996-97 Los Angeles 36 46 .439 5th Pacific Division 0 3 .000 Lost West Conf 1st Rd
1995-96 Los Angeles 29 53 .354 7th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1994-95 Los Angeles 17 65 .207 7th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1993-94 Los Angeles 27 55 .329 7th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1992-93 Los Angeles 41 41 .500 4th Pacific Division 2 3 .400 Lost West Conf 1st Rd
1991-92 Los Angeles 45 37 .549 5th Pacific Division 2 3 .400 Lost West Conf 1st Rd
1990-91 Los Angeles 31 51 .378 6th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1989-90 Los Angeles 30 52 .366 6th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1988-89 Los Angeles 21 61 .256 7th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1987-88 Los Angeles 17 65 .207 6th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1986-87 Los Angeles 12 70 .146 6th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1985-86 Los Angeles 32 50 .390 3rd Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1984-85 Los Angeles 31 51 .378 4th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1983-84 San Diego 30 52 .366 6th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1982-83 San Diego 25 57 .305 6th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1981-82 San Diego 17 65 .207 6th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1980-81 San Diego 36 46 .439 5th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1979-80 San Diego 35 47 .427 5th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1978-79 San Diego 43 39 .524 5th Pacific Division - - - DNQ
1977-78 Buffalo 27 55 .329 4th Atlantic Division - - - DNQ
1976-77 Buffalo 30 52 .366 4th Atlantic Division - - - DNQ
1975-76 Buffalo 46 36 .561 2nd Atlantic Division 4 5 .444 Lost East Conf Semis
1974-75 Buffalo 49 33 .598 2nd Atlantic Division 3 4 .429 Lost East Conf Semis
1973-74 Buffalo 42 40 .512 3rd Atlantic Division 2 4 .333 Lost East Conf Semis
1972-73 Buffalo 21 61 .256 3rd Atlantic Division - - - DNQ
1971-72 Buffalo 22 60 .268 4th Atlantic Division - - - DNQ
1970-71 Buffalo 22 60 .268 4th Atlantic Division - - - DNQ



pretty pathetic.

could the clippers would be the worst franchise in the NBA?? do the clippers have the worst win loss percentage out of every team in the NBA throughout history??
and the thread YOU made is about who has the most UPSIDE not the past. the past is the past. You dont even know what upside means i mean cmon upside is not based on the past. you pathetic stop pointing out the past its irrelevant in this thread YOU made about the UPSIDE

[MooseJuiceBowen]

and the thread YOU made is about who has the most UPSIDE not the past. the past is the past. You dont even know what upside means i mean cmon upside is not based on the past. you pathetic stop pointing out the past its irrelevant in this thread YOU made about the UPSIDE

you can sit here and compare ROSTERS RIGHT NOW and the upside favors the spurs still. you cant dismiss the past and the dumb front office of the clippers. delusional clipper fans think they will have blake for 7 years. lol


time will tell when clippers dont even make playoffs this upcoming season. ill revive the thread and laugh at you clipper idiots again.

[DFish]

you can sit here and compare ROSTERS RIGHT NOW and the upside favors the spurs still. you cant dismiss the past and the dumb front office of the clippers. delusional clipper fans think they will have blake for 7 years. lol

time will tell when clippers dont even make playoffs this upcoming season. ill revive the thread and laugh at you clipper idiots again.

Only someone apprehensive about how their team will fare against the Clippers would act like you're acting. See, I don't give a shit about what Clipper fans say or think because I know they aren't getting past the Lakers. But the Spurs? Shit, they're even older than us. Wouldn't be surprised if the Clippers take them out like the Grizzlies did.

[devin112]

you can sit here and compare ROSTERS RIGHT NOW and the upside favors the spurs still. you cant dismiss the past and the dumb front office of the clippers. delusional clipper fans think they will have blake for 7 years. lol


time will tell when clippers dont even make playoffs this upcoming season. ill revive the thread and laugh at you clipper idiots again.



Quit talking shit about Clipper fans, talk about the thread or make a new thread and talk about the past all you want. This thread is about "upside", stay focused mang.

Clipperfan is a homer and that's perfectly fine, you on the other hand can't focus on the thread topic and lob ignorant irrelevant shit. Grow up dude, if you're already old then you should be ashamed of yourself.

Clipper fans are excited and this is just a discussion so calm the hell down and get that sand outta your ....

BTW, when talking about "upside" the current roster is exactly what you need to look at, not the win loss record going back a few decades. That just shows how ignorant you are.

[skan72]

The thread title made me go like can't be serious, and then I read and I was like is serious?

As everyone's already stated, and I'm about to help nail home - upside/potential is what you're going to be in the future, not what you've done. The past has essentially 0 bearing on it. The Spurs have way better history/past, but their upside is not nearly as good as the Clippers'. So many old players who are on the decline, even the unflappable Tim Duncan.

[Clippersfan86]

The thread title made me go like can't be serious, and then I read and I was like is serious?

As everyone's already stated, and I'm about to help nail home - upside/potential is what you're going to be in the future, not what you've done. The past has essentially 0 bearing on it. The Spurs have way better history/past, but their upside is not nearly as good as the Clippers'. So many old players who are on the decline, even the unflappable Tim Duncan.

:oldlol: :applause:.

[B]

The thread title made me go like can't be serious, and then I read and I was like is serious?

As everyone's already stated, and I'm about to help nail home - upside/potential is what you're going to be in the future, not what you've done. The past has essentially 0 bearing on it. The Spurs have way better history/past, but their upside is not nearly as good as the Clippers'. So many old players who are on the decline, even the unflappable Tim Duncan.Technically you're right. In this case your wrong history tells us many things about these teams futures.

What we do know is that the Spurs will win games, they always do. This whole Spurs are done argument has been played out every year for the last 6 and history tells us they are far from done, How easily everyone forgets one of the best records in the league last year. One year later, with a long long off season they are old an washed up. :lol

History also tells us the Clippers will find a way to screw this up. They always do. This is not the first time they have had a team with big "upside" but in the end something will come along and turn over the wagon. They'll do something somewhere and poof like so much smoke and mirrors the Clippers famous mantra we'll get them next year will appear.

History tells us who has the greatest long term upside and until the Clippers can throw even 2 winning seasons together they don't belong in the same argument with the Spurs.

Upside is more than the roster it's the whole team from the front office to the guys on the floor

[MooseJuiceBowen]

[QUOTE=B

[devin112]

these kids just dont know what they are talkin about. every off season they think spurs wont even make playoffs

You're calling the people you disagree, kids. Instead of using logic based arguments to refute them, you call them idiots and delusional. You're the one who needs to grow up. Using current info to base the future is perfectly legitimate, the past can be an indicator of what might happen in the future. Nothing is written in stone.

Please grow up, stop calling people names and participate in a meaningful and constructive way.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

You're calling the people you disagree, kids. Instead of using logic based arguments to refute them, you call them idiots and delusional. You're the one who needs to grow up. Using current info to base the future is perfectly legitimate, the past can be an indicator of what might happen in the future. Nothing is written in stone.

Please grow up, stop calling people names and participate in a meaningful and constructive way.

some people are just that delusional and dumb they need names called at them

[coin24]

[QUOTE=B

[MichaelCheazley]

You joined this site in January, sit the **** down.
AS if join date is indicative of anything... Im not a fan when that argument is used for anything around here. But yea. Clips have a bright future but then again so does okc and minnesota. Heck I might even say minny has more potential with their group than lac. No offence.

Bledsoe, EJ,deandre, aminu , blake minn pick
rubio, derrick, love, beasley,wes johnson, anthony randolph

Really talented cores! Exciting to see less sucessful franchises get their turns as opposed to the norm of the past decades. Even the heat.

[devin112]

some people are just that delusional and dumb they need names called at them

really dude, u neg repped me for just trying to reason with you? That's low.

[Clippersfan86]

This:applause:

The Clippers have had decent teams and talent over the last 10 years and they always find a way to fu*k it up. The Spurs are a successful franchise, usually draft well and make smart trades..

The clippers.... Well have a look at some of the players they've had and thrown away over the past decade:facepalm Notice how not many resign there also>?

Ive said before ive got nothing against there fans (actually feel sorry for them) but the Clippers have always been ran poorly and I cant see that changing in the near future. They have some great pieces at the moment, hopefully they can do something with them but, again, this is the clippers we're talking about:lol

Way to stray way off topic like BOBO. Then again this topic is confusing to begin with. Upside implies potential... which implies future. For the OP as well as you guys to rant about the Clippers past is COMPLETELY off topic from the retarded post the OP was trying to bust out.

This has to be one of the top 5 fail threads of the last couple months on ISH. It's just so random, unintelligent and illogical that it's hard to take seriously. It's make even more humorous by the posters actually taking the time to respond in detail about why the Clippers suck historically etc.

[MichaelCheazley]

BTW FUUUUUUU AT us giving u bledsoe... I was scouting him so hard and KNEW he would be great with the heat. Then he shitblocked lebron.

[Fiasco]

AS if join date is indicative of anything

He was telling me I was a Clipper band wagoner even though I'm one of the few who joined this site prior to Blake Griffin's drafting.

[MichaelCheazley]

He was telling me I was a Clipper band wagoner even though I'm one of the few who joined this site prior to Blake Griffin's drafting.
My bad. And thank you for loyalty to a team. Always nice to see.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

He was telling me I was a Clipper band wagoner even though I'm one of the few who joined this site prior to Blake Griffin's drafting.

I didnt call you a band wagoner and I had to make this thread because there is people out there who seem to think caron butler would have a better career with the clippers if he signed with them now then if he signed with the spurs. lets face it clippers arent even making playoffs and spurs havent missed the playoffs in how long? its alright to be excited about your team but dont get too crazy here ITS THE CLIPPERS

[coin24]

Way to stray way off topic like BOBO. Then again this topic is confusing to begin with. Upside implies potential... which implies future. For the OP as well as you guys to rant about the Clippers past is COMPLETELY off topic from the retarded post the OP was trying to bust out.

This has to be one of the top 5 fail threads of the last couple months on ISH. It's just so random, unintelligent and illogical that it's hard to take seriously. It's make even more humorous by the posters actually taking the time to respond in detail about why the Clippers suck historically etc.



My point is basically you cant ignore the past when looking into the future. A 20 years of failure streak isnt just going to end.

Yes the clippers have a few good pieces, and id love to see them actually do something for once but its just hard to imagine, since ive seen them suck since i started watching bball in the mid 90s:oldlol:


But i agree this is a stupid topic. I just wish people wouldnt jump to conclusions about so and so signing with the clippers as soon as they are mentioned in a stupid rumour:facepalm Cant wait till players can actually start signing real soon!!!:rockon:

[Hittin_Shots]

My point is basically you cant ignore the past when looking into the future. A 20 years of failure streak isnt just going to end.

Yes the clippers have a few good pieces, and id love to see them actually do something for once but its just hard to imagine, since ive seen them suck since i started watching bball in the mid 90s:oldlol:


But i agree this is a stupid topic. I just wish people wouldnt jump to conclusions about so and so signing with the clippers as soon as they are mentioned in a stupid rumour:facepalm Cant wait till players can actually start signing real soon!!!:rockon:

That's your point? Of course it could just end... streaks end all the time.

[LemonMan]

I didnt call you a band wagoner and I had to make this thread because there is people out there who seem to think caron butler would have a better career with the clippers if he signed with them now then if he signed with the spurs. lets face it clippers arent even making playoffs and spurs havent missed the playoffs in how long? its alright to be excited about your team but dont get too crazy here ITS THE CLIPPERS
:facepalm
Caron is signing with the PRESENT DAY Clippers who have a better upside than the
PRESENT DAY Spurs, meaning that he would have a better career with the Clippers
than with the Spurs in the PRESENT DAY

[Fiasco]

Best. Thread. Ever.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

really dude, u neg repped me for just trying to reason with you? That's low.

I did not neg rep you.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

:facepalm
Caron is signing with the PRESENT DAY Clippers who have a better upside than the
PRESENT DAY Spurs, meaning that he would have a better career with the Clippers
than with the Spurs in the PRESENT DAY

im not so sure that he will have a better career with the clippers in present day. present day meaning this upcoming season do you actually think the clippers will have a better record then the spurs?? lets look at 2 seasons from now. duncan will still be there. our big 3 will most likely still be there. do you think the clippers will have a better record then the spurs 2 seasons from now?? how about 3??? how many seasons do we have to go? how long do the clippers need to become a real team?? what is the future you clipper fans are talking about?? when are you going to be better then the spurs?? when is this supposed to happen?? I just dont see it

[Droid101]

lets look at 2 seasons from now. duncan will still be there.
Bookmarked.

[Derrick]

im not sure what gives clipper fans all this ego boost. blake griffin dunking on everyone??? that couldnt be it... who would want to band wagon onto the clippers franchise??? lol it will take another losing season without making playoffs to bring them down a peg i guess
Maybe its just LA. Seems to me lakers fans are the exact same. :lol

[MooseJuiceBowen]

Bookmarked.

really you dont think so??

funny because TP just said the other day on his radio show duncan plans on playing another couple of seasons. so bookmark it all you want dip shit. I dont expect you to follow news before you talk shit i mean who does that?

[MooseJuiceBowen]

Maybe its just LA. Seems to me lakers fans are the exact same. :lol

it least laker fans have an owner that cares about winning and doesnt screw over his players. imagine laker fans with sterling as the owner. they wouldnt let that happen. there would be riots on the street

[Droid101]

really you dont think so??

funny because TP just said the other day duncan plans on playing another couple of seasons. so bookmark it all you want dip shit
:oldlol:

Mad?

[MooseJuiceBowen]

:oldlol:

Mad?

you must think you are clever posting 1 word replies. you just got owned

[B]

Maybe its just LA. Seems to me lakers fans are the exact same. :lolThat's a dumb comparison.

[LemonMan]

im not so sure that he will have a better career with the clippers in present day. present day meaning this upcoming season do you actually think the clippers will have a better record then the spurs?? lets look at 2 seasons from now. duncan will still be there. our big 3 will most likely still be there. do you think the clippers will have a better record then the spurs 2 seasons from now?? how about 3??? how many seasons do we have to go? how long do the clippers need to become a real team?? what is the future you clipper fans are talking about?? when are you going to be better then the spurs?? when is this supposed to happen?? I just dont see it
i guess butler knows what upside means :oldlol:

[Droid101]

im not so sure that he will have a better career with the clippers in present day. present day meaning this upcoming season do you actually think the clippers will have a better record then the spurs??
Looks like this might happen this season. More likely next and the one after, as well!

I'll remind you again later.

[SpecialQue]

Can someone tell me what this dude's deal is with the Clippers? He's been ranting about this team like a bitter ex girlfriend.

Also, he doesn't know the meaning of "upside."

[usdmef9]

Wait why are the spurs and the clippers being compared? Whats the relevance? Spurs are old and done much like my celtics, deal with it. Clippers are the future spurs are the past, regardless they have nothing to do with eachother besides being nba teams in the western conference.

[ninephive]

Wait why are the spurs and the clippers being compared? Whats the relevance? Spurs are old and done much like my celtics, deal with it. Clippers are the future spurs are the past, regardless they have nothing to do with eachother besides being nba teams in the western conference.
Spurs have never been the past in their entire history. Clippers are the perpetual past. They have never been the future.

[rmt]

As a Spurs fan, I'm disgusted with what the FO is (not) doing. They're waiving/will waive (?) Novak - some people say so what but at least he's familiar with the system, can shoot a 3pter, is cheap and can play small-ball PF in a pinch. Then they let Dice's contract go to waste and get absolutely nothing for it. What - they expect a 35-36 year old Duncan, Splitter, Bonner and Blair to cut it for this condensed season with all these back-to-back-to-backs?

Seems like the FO no longer cares - they're just going to trot out RJ, Bonner and Blair until TD and Manu retire. And of course, Clippers have the much bigger upside with Griffin and now, Chris Paul.

[boozehound]

you have to look at the past YOU CANT DISMISS IT.
not when talking about upside. clearly the clippers are in a better position moving forward. the spurs are done as contenders, sorry.

[JohnnyFord]

clippers have more upside

[outbreak]

Clippers, easily. Stupid question really SPurs are close to having to rebuild, clippers just did.

[Timmy D for MVP]

Player wise it's not a debate. The Clippers have put together a team that will contend given time and management to grow. The Spurs young core will be a very good team, Like a 4-7 seed that teams don't really want to see, but not a contending team until Timmy and Manu leave and they find another superstar. I don't think Tony Parker can carry a team on his own unless he has another top tier play (although who knows how good a couple youngsters could get).

However, the Clippers have had one of the worst run organizations in all of sports. Granted it seems to be turning around for them, but I'll believe it when I see it that they will run the team right this time.

But at this very second? Easily the Clippers.

[niko]

This is a stupid topic. Not only are the clippers arguably better now, they have a bunch of young players with upside while SA has almost none. There is a vocal minority of the SA fanbase on this board that seems to think it's 2005 or something. It's years past the glory years, not only does SA not have upside, the championship window is closed, nailed shut. And they have done nothing to rebuild or restock this year, neither one.

Anyone who answers SA is just full of it.

[TMT]

Every dynasty has to come to an end, right? I don't think it's even worth asking what team has the bigger upside, with the acquisition of Chris Paul the Clippers are not only one of the up and coming teams in the West but could potentially become the next big powerhouse in the league. I guess most people on this forum get off on bashing the Spurs because our best days are behind us :confusedshrug: but we decide to be a classy organization and pay our players who won us 4 championships. I guess because we respect our players and keep them around for their careers until they retire instead of just blowing up the team is a reason for other fans to look down on us. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense..

Personally I'd rather stand by my team through the thick and thin every single day of the week, rather than jumping on a Miami, New York, LA bandwagon. These are the reasons I will respect guys like Tim Duncan, Steve Nash and Dirk Nowitzki way more than Lebron, Melo or CP3. Don't get it twisted, I give all these guys mad props for their skills and abilities. But there's an elite level of respect that only the top veteran class act players and organizations have that others will never even come close to achieving.

I believe the argument was more interesting before the CP3 trade, as it was intended by the OP. Now this thread is changing directions and becoming more of a "trash the Spurs" theme. Do what you have to do ISH, but I wouldn't give up my team for anything and I'll stand by them 'til I die. :cheers:

Just wanted to get that out there, Happy Holidays!

[Timmy D for MVP]

This is a stupid topic. Not only are the clippers arguably better now, they have a bunch of young players with upside while SA has almost none. There is a vocal minority of the SA fanbase on this board that seems to think it's 2005 or something. It's years past the glory years, not only does SA not have upside, the championship window is closed, nailed shut. And they have done nothing to rebuild or restock this year, neither one.

Anyone who answers SA is just full of it.

Dejaun Blair, Gary Neal, James Anderson, Tiago Splitter, Khwai Leonard, and TP is 30 and they have no upside? I mean that's not a title team, but that's a nice group of young talent.

[niko]

Dejaun Blair, Gary Neal, James Anderson, Tiago Splitter, Khwai Leonard, and TP is 30 and they have no upside? I mean that's not a title team, but that's a nice group of young talent.
It's a so-so bunch of people. Not a star among them. And TP is not getting better. DO you see him getting better? It's a bunch of guys only the home team fans think are great. I'm a Knick fan. We've had thousands of those guys. WE HAVE SO AND SO AND THIS GUY AND THAT GUY? ISNT THAT A GOOD YOUNG CORE? Um, no. A good young core needs at least one potential star player. You have none.

SA has very little upside as they currently are constructed. They are not a title team, and they don't have a core to build with. They need to be willing to go through the "sucking time" and restock. THey're not yet.

[allabouthawks]

clips obv had more upside spurs are gunna fade soon with the big 3 getting older

[devin112]

clips obv had more upside spurs are gunna fade soon with the big 3 getting older


Don't tell Moose that, cuz he's going to act like a little bitch and neg you for it. He lied and said it wasn't him but my post was directed towards his conduct, so who else would neg that? He's a bitch.

[allabouthawks]

Don't tell Moose that, cuz he's going to act like a little bitch and neg you for it. He lied and said it wasn't him but my post was directed towards his conduct, so who else would neg that? He's a bitch.

i dont see how anyone can say that they arnt just a fact of sports evryone gets older and eventually slows down and quits

[devin112]

i dont see how anyone can say that they arnt just a fact of sports evryone gets older and eventually slows down and quits

I think it you said it was any other up and coming team, he would've cramped up like a menstruating girl. The Clippers were busy making trades and signing people, and he just got tired of seeing the lowly Clippers get more attention then his team. He got sand in his vag and just hating.

[JohnnyFord]

I think it you said it was any other up and coming team, he would've cramped up like a menstruating girl. The Clippers were busy making trades and signing people, and he just got tired of seeing the lowly Clippers get more attention then his team. He got sand in his vag and just hating.
agreed he knew he was wrong so he abandoned thread

[Droid101]

not when talking about upside. clearly the clippers are in a better position moving forward. the spurs are done as contenders, sorry.

clippers have more upside


Clippers, easily. Stupid question really SPurs are close to having to rebuild, clippers just did.

Player wise it's not a debate. The Clippers have put together a team that will contend given time and management to grow. The Spurs young core will be a very good team, Like a 4-7 seed that teams don't really want to see, but not a contending team until Timmy and Manu leave and they find another superstar. I don't think Tony Parker can carry a team on his own unless he has another top tier play (although who knows how good a couple youngsters could get).

But at this very second? Easily the Clippers.


This is a stupid topic. Not only are the clippers arguably better now, they have a bunch of young players with upside while SA has almost none. There is a vocal minority of the SA fanbase on this board that seems to think it's 2005 or something. It's years past the glory years, not only does SA not have upside, the championship window is closed, nailed shut. And they have done nothing to rebuild or restock this year, neither one.

Anyone who answers SA is just full of it.


Every dynasty has to come to an end, right? I don't think it's even worth asking what team has the bigger upside, with the acquisition of Chris Paul the Clippers are not only one of the up and coming teams in the West but could potentially become the next big powerhouse in the league.

Yeah, I guess I'm the only one who agrees with ClippersFan!

[MooseJuiceBowen]

ooo WHAT HAPPENED?? look like the clippers got there SHIT handed to them they will be lucky to even make the playoffs.


let me take count here who thinks if the clippers miracously made the playoffs and played the spurs WHO THINKS THE CLIPPERS WILL WIN??

kids dont know the meaning of upside

[Droid101]

ooo WHAT HAPPENED?? look like the spurs got there SHIT handed to them by the Rockets they will be lucky to even make the playoffs.


:confusedshrug:

[Clippersfan86]

ooo WHAT HAPPENED?? look like the clippers got there SHIT handed to them they will be lucky to even make the playoffs.


let me take count here who thinks if the clippers miracously made the playoffs and played the spurs WHO THINKS THE CLIPPERS WILL WIN??

kids dont know the meaning of upside

Rockets just beat you by 20 last night..... :roll:

[MooseJuiceBowen]

thats real cute. cant answer the queston

the reality is you said the clippers would beat the spurs in the playoffs before the season started. you said the clippers have more upside. now you will continue to be humiliated.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

of course trolls are gnna go off topic :roll: :roll:

cant handle it??? :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Clippersfan86]

thats real cute. cant answer the queston

the reality is you said the clippers would beat the spurs in the playoffs before the season started. you said the clippers have more upside. now you will continue to be humiliated.

Playoffs start in how many months? Nobody said the Clippers are better than the Spurs as soon as season starts. Most expect them to be better by season end and in the future. This is what upside means. Clippers would be favorites in a 7 game series because they have lots of time to gel before the playoffs.

So yes the Clippers have more upside. The Clippers also have a chance for HCA. In the playoffs you trade off on where games are played. Historically Clippers don't win in San Antonio but if they get HCA they can lose all games in SA and win the series.

[Droid101]

of course trolls are gnna go off topic :roll: :roll:

Topic title:

bigger upside. spurs or clippers
Answers to that topic:



not when talking about upside. clearly the clippers are in a better position moving forward. the spurs are done as contenders, sorry.

clippers have more upside


Clippers, easily. Stupid question really SPurs are close to having to rebuild, clippers just did.

Player wise it's not a debate. The Clippers have put together a team that will contend given time and management to grow. The Spurs young core will be a very good team, Like a 4-7 seed that teams don't really want to see, but not a contending team until Timmy and Manu leave and they find another superstar. I don't think Tony Parker can carry a team on his own unless he has another top tier play (although who knows how good a couple youngsters could get).

But at this very second? Easily the Clippers.


This is a stupid topic. Not only are the clippers arguably better now, they have a bunch of young players with upside while SA has almost none. There is a vocal minority of the SA fanbase on this board that seems to think it's 2005 or something. It's years past the glory years, not only does SA not have upside, the championship window is closed, nailed shut. And they have done nothing to rebuild or restock this year, neither one.

Anyone who answers SA is just full of it.


Every dynasty has to come to an end, right? I don't think it's even worth asking what team has the bigger upside, with the acquisition of Chris Paul the Clippers are not only one of the up and coming teams in the West but could potentially become the next big powerhouse in the league.

Who is off topic, now?

[MooseJuiceBowen]

Playoffs start in how many months? Nobody said the Clippers are better than the Spurs as soon as season starts. Most expect them to be better by season end and in the future. This is what upside means. Clippers would be favorites in a 7 game series because they have lots of time to gel before the playoffs.

So yes the Clippers have more upside. The Clippers also have a chance for HCA. In the playoffs you trade off on where games are played. Historically Clippers don't win in San Antonio but if they get HCA they can lose all games in SA and win the series.

is that a joke? you have been claiming the clippers were better then the spurs all off season up until we shit licked you.

[Droid101]

is that a joke? you have been claiming the clippers were better then the spurs all off season up until we shit licked you.
Spurs title, Vegas odds: 30-1

Clippers title, Vegas odds: 13-1

I guess even the bookies think the Clippers have a bigger upside.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

Spurs title, vegas odds: 30-1

Clipprrs title, vegas odds: 13-1

I guess even the bookies think the Clippers have a bigger upside.

kid if you really think the clippers are better then the spurs this year. you are a joke. if you think they would beat the spurs in the playoffs you are a joke. you are just a joke in general all your posts are trash just like clippersfan but not as bad

[Droid101]

kid if you really think the clippers are better then the spurs this year. you are a joke. if you think they would beat the spurs in the playoffs you are a joke. you are just a joke in general all your posts are trash just like clippersfan but not as bad
Why do you keep calling me "kid" like you know how old I am?

I do think the Clippers are better, and will end up with a better record than the Spurs this season. Could I be wrong? Possibly.

The problem with you is, you think the Spurs are the best and will have the best record and will beat everyone and this and that. As if the Grizzlies didn't teach you a lesson about that cocky attitude already.

[Clippersfan86]

is that a joke? you have been claiming the clippers were better then the spurs all off season up until we shit licked you.

Find one quote where I said RIGHT NOW the Clippers are a better team than the Spurs? They haven't proven themselves yet. It's too soon to say who they are better or worse than. They have more raw talent... but that doesn't mean squat if you have no chemistry.

I know one thing for sure though..... The Clippers have more UPSIDE :oldlol: .

[MooseJuiceBowen]

Why do you keep calling me "kid" like you know how old I am?

I do think the Clippers are better, and will end up with a better record than the Spurs this season. Could I be wrong? Possibly.

The problem with you is, you think the Spurs are the best and will have the best record and will beat everyone and this and that. As if the Grizzlies didn't teach you a lesson about that cocky attitude already.

manu had a broken arm in that series and he is our best player. most people who watch bball know that.

[Clippersfan86]

Spurs title, Vegas odds: 30-1

Clippers title, Vegas odds: 13-1

I guess even the bookies think the Clippers have a bigger upside.

:applause: :oldlol:

[Droid101]

kid if you really think the clippers are better then the spurs this year. you are a joke. if you think they would beat the spurs in the playoffs you are a joke. you are just a joke in general all your posts are trash just like clippersfan but not as bad
I guess the major sports books, who have been making odds for years and years and years, are a joke?

[Droid101]

Waaaa first round exit waaaaaaa.
:confusedshrug:

[WeGetRing2012]

[QUOTE=B

[MooseJuiceBowen]

honestly if the clippers fans just had any ounce of respect nobody would be dogging there team. fact is you idiots came on ISH talking all this shit after and before you picked up paul in the offseason and you are coming back down to reality now.

[Clippersfan86]

honestly if the clippers fans just had any ounce of respect nobody would be dogging there team. fact is you idiots came on ISH talking all this shit after and before you picked up paul in the offseason and you are coming back down to reality now.

Apparently you aren't coming back down to reality after a 20 point loss to the ROCKETS last night... yet you expect Clippers fans to "come back to reality" after a blowout loss to a team they always lose to on the road? It's one loss dude. Clippers are 1-1. What reality is there? If the Clippers somehow blew out the Bulls tonight what would you say? We overachieved?

I don't think any of us should be assuming how good or bad our teams are at this point in the season. We need about 20 games before we can tell.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

Apparently you aren't coming back down to reality after a 20 point loss to the ROCKETS last night... yet you expect Clippers fans to "come back to reality" after a blowout loss to a team they always lose to on the road? It's one loss dude. Clippers are 1-1. What reality is there? If the Clippers somehow blew out the Bulls tonight what would you say? We overachieved?

I hope the clippers do blow out the bulls tonight. im not a clippers hater im a clippersfan86 hater. I oooo and ahhhh at the tv when clippers play to lol

[Clippersfan86]

I hope the clippers do blow out the bulls tonight. im not a clippers hater im a clippersfan86 hater. I oooo and ahhhh at the tv when clippers play to lol

Well you're wasting your time because the feeling isn't mutual. Even if you act like a douche or troll me I don't hate you. I'd happily let it go and make peace with you. The negativity/hate you have for me... is only affecting you... so let it go dude.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

Well you're wasting your time because the feeling isn't mutual. Even if you act like a douche or troll me I don't hate you. I'd happily let it go and make peace with you. The negativity/hate you have for me... is only affecting you... so let it go dude.

I have seen a change in your posting after the season started maybe you actually started watching basketball instead of posting stupid threads all the time so ill stop trolling you until you start up again.

[Dizzle-2k7]

:oldlol:

clips got ROMPED by the spurs a couple nights ago

:violin:

[Dizzle-2k7]

if they meet in the playoffs spurs will SWEEP the clips

:roll:

[TheCalmInsanity]

ooo WHAT HAPPENED?? look like the clippers got there SHIT handed to them they will be lucky to even make the playoffs.


let me take count here who thinks if the clippers miracously made the playoffs and played the spurs WHO THINKS THE CLIPPERS WILL WIN??

kids dont know the meaning of upside

You guys are overreacting after one game. Relax.

I like the Spurs. I told everyone after the game that the Spurs deserve mad props, they couldn't miss a shot and looked amazing.

The only thing holding me back from respecting the Spurs is guys like you.. Stop hating for no reason and you won't bring extra hate to your team.

The Clippers will be fine. One win and one loss so far.. Does not indicate how the season will go. As everyone said, you guys just got whipped by the Rockets.. Doesn't mean anything. Teams have good games and teams have bad games.

[LemonMan]

The upside guys.. the upside

[Legends66NBA7]

OP was an asshole, but he was right on the money with this.

I remember an article in 2009 about how the post 07 Cavaliers were making moves to surpass the Spurs as a franchise. Never happened, though. Just goes to show much a dedicated front office matters to secure the right type of structure, talent, and winning culture.