Adrian Wojnarowski: "I think the NBA has changed forever with Stern's act tonight."

[KingMichael23]

To listen to the GM's, coaches, players, agents reaching out to me tonight: I think the NBA has changed forever with Stern's act tonight.

http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/144993532388704257

The NBA is in trouble. Maybe big trouble.

[InspiredLebowski]

The hell's that even mean?

[Scoooter]

Duh duh dunnnnnnhhh... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g9WjcGdxuM)

[Allstar24]

I hope this ruins their image even further.

[bagelred]

The hell's that even mean?

It means everything will feel "tainted" by Stern's actions.

[DetroitPistonFan]

The hell's that even mean?
Maybe a strike? NBA and Stern losing in court? Votes from players and coaches to have David Stern resign as Commissioner? :confusedshrug:

[JohnnyWall]

http://i.imgur.com/o7uiIl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/q9GWl.png

[Wonder Bread Kid]

"the NBA has changed."

No it hasn't.

The owner of the team (in this case, multiple owners) decided against the trade.

LOL at the media doing everything they can to get the trade to happen.

"The NBA as we knew is long gone. For tonight the winds of change have forever changed the landscape of the NBA. This is the 9/11 for the NBA."

No, sit down ass hat.

Everyone will forget about this come Monday.

[Wonder Bread Kid]

Maybe a strike? NBA and Stern losing in court?

Players can't strike. :oldlol:

[InspiredLebowski]

Maybe a strike? NBA and Stern losing in court? Votes from players and coaches to have David Stern resign as Commissioner? :confusedshrug:Players and coaches can't force Stern to resign, he doesn't work for them. A strike right after a lockout would be AWESOME PR.

[Sarcastic]

I hate Stern's guts, but he did the right thing.

[thejumpa]

If people really think the league has changed because one trade didn't go through, then they need to off themselves. It's not that serious folks.

[Wonder Bread Kid]

Players and coaches can't force Stern to resign, he doesn't work for them. A strike right after a lockout would be AWESOME PR.

Players can't strike. They give that right up in the CBA.

[Wonder Bread Kid]

If people really think the league has changed because one trade didn't go through, then they need to off themselves. It's not that serious folks.

It hasn't. It won't. LOL at the media doing work for the Lakers. :oldlol: :facepalm

[Duncan21formvp]

The Owners are the one who wanted a lockout season more so than the players. The players on strike helps the owners have a missed season.

[PleezeBelieve]

If people really think the league has changed because one trade didn't go through, then they need to off themselves. It's not that serious folks.
The era of Twitter

SMFH

[bagelred]

#OccupyNBA

[comerb]

I hate Stern's guts, but he did the right thing.

The league dictating trade's is not "the right thing". Especially when it's being coerced by the owners. In fact, that's absolutely 100% the wrong thing.

[Doctor Rivers]

The league dictating trade's is not "the right thing". Especially when it's being coerced by the owners. In fact, that's absolutely 100% the wrong thing.

this

[Wonder Bread Kid]

Translation:


"To listen to Mitch, Mike Brown, Kobe and Chris Paul, Kobe and Chris Paul's agents reaching out to me tonight: I think the NBA has changed forever with Stern's act tonight."

[G-Funk]

Like I said before getting CP3 for Pau & Odom is not building a super team, getting Dwight with a team that has CP3 & Kobe, is building a super team, that's the trade he should have looked to block!

[airchibundo507]

the 1% are being terrorized by the overregulation of Dictator Stern

[oh the horror]

The league dictating trade's is not "the right thing". Especially when it's being coerced by the owners. In fact, that's absolutely 100% the wrong thing.



Bingo. The reasons behind this were wrong. Period.

[LA_Showtime]

How embarrassing. Wojnarowski and Broussard are the only two media guys who continually make themselves look like 16 year old drama queens.

[Wonder Bread Kid]

The league dictating trade's is not "the right thing". Especially when it's being coerced by the owners. In fact, that's absolutely 100% the wrong thing.

They own the team dumby. Their money is invested in said team. They have all the right to nix a trade that lowers their teams value. :oldlol:

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

"the NBA has changed."

No it hasn't.

The owner of the team (in this case, multiple owners) decided against the trade.

LOL at the media doing everything they can to get the trade to happen.

"The NBA as we knew is long gone. For tonight the winds of change have forever changed the landscape of the NBA. This is the 9/11 for the NBA."

No, sit down ass hat.

Everyone will forget about this come Monday.
then these owners are cowards because they are all denying blocking the trade. and the nba front office is full of liars for indicating stern is the one to veto the trade.

[G-Funk]

They own the team dumby. Their money is invested in said team. They have all the right to nix a trade that lowers their teams value. :oldlol:
Hornets, Lakers, Rockets own the team as well

[InspiredLebowski]

Gotta admit, a bunch of 6'5 NBA players camped out in front of the NBA offices in tents playing bongo drums and doing the human mic check thing sounds hilarious.

[Mr Know It All]

If Mark Cuban vetoed a trade that the Mavericks were about to make no one would think twice about it, just an owner exercising his power.

David Stern and the NBA own the Hornets. They can do WHATEVER THEY WANT.

Deal with it.

[HBKMGa]

They own the team dumby. Their money is invested in said team. They have all the right to nix a trade that lowers their teams value. :oldlol:

:roll:

cp3 leaving for nothing will raise their value?

[thejumpa]

They own the team dumby. Their money is invested in said team. They have all the right to nix a trade that lowers their teams value. :oldlol:

As messed up as it looks, the truth is whoever owns a team should be able to block a trade. Doesn't matter if it's LeBron for Luke Walton or CP3 for Pau and Odom. They OWN the team. They have stake in it. Sure, it's gonna piss people off....but it's their right to do it.


He's just gonna bitch and moan his way to the Knicks now anyway.

[JohnnyWall]

They own the team dumby.

and they shouldn't.

[G-Funk]

All the ppl who said it was the right thing to do, were scared shitless. fact!

[Wonder Bread Kid]

and they shouldn't.

Well, they do. Stop crying.

[Sarcastic]

The league dictating trade's is not "the right thing". Especially when it's being coerced by the owners. In fact, that's absolutely 100% the wrong thing.

They are not dictating a trade. They vetoed a trade that lowers the value of their property. The owners have to pay the salaries of the Hornets this year. Why would they want to assume more salary, while getting nothing good in return?

If you're trying to sell your car, would you crash it into a tree first, or would you try to fix up and make it more presentable?

[DuMa]

if Woj is talking about contraction, i hope he is right.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

If Mark Cuban vetoed a trade that the Mavericks were about to make no one would think twice about it, just an owner exercising his power.

David Stern and the NBA own the Hornets. They can do WHATEVER THEY WANT.

Deal with it.
Actually it's a case of the commissioner vetoing a trade.

[Wonder Bread Kid]

All the ppl who said it was the right thing to do, were scared shitless. fact!

I wasn't. I thought at best it was a lateral move. They lost their biggest advantage, a supreme front line for a injury prone pg who isn't 6 feet tippy toeing.

[bdreason]

They own the team dumby. Their money is invested in said team. They have all the right to nix a trade that lowers their teams value. :oldlol:


Do they also have the right to just spend no money and let the Hornets suck? One less team to compete with, right?


Maybe the NBA should buy more teams. Then they can just use those teams as punching bags for the rest of the league. Think Washington Generals.

[Wonder Bread Kid]

Actually it's a case of the commissioner vetoing a trade.

A commissioner works for the owners. The owners own the Hornets.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

I will say this...Stern and his cronies have really made a mess of things.

[LA_Showtime]

They are not dictating a trade. They vetoed a trade that lowers the value of their property. The owners have to pay the salaries of the Hornets this year. Why would they want to assume more salary, while getting nothing good in return?

If you're trying to sell your car, would you crash it into a tree first, or would you try to fix up and make it more presentable?

That doesn't explain the fact they knew about the trade beforehand and only nixed it after a select few owners complained. That's just not right.

[JohnnyWall]

Well, they do. Stop crying.

Doesn't make it right. Conflicts of interests. Status quo is a lame excuse for justification.

[Bladers]

Well, they do. Stop crying.

They don't you retarded kid. Go learn the face and then come back. May be I will have mercy and not sacrifice.

[Sarcastic]

Do they also have the right to just spend no money and let the Hornets suck? One less team to compete with, right?


Maybe the NBA should buy more teams. Then they can just use those teams as punching bags for the rest of the league. Think Washington Generals.

This deal gives them more salary with a worse team. How does this benefit them at all?

[Wonder Bread Kid]

:roll:

cp3 leaving for nothing will raise their value?

No, but not trading him for better value because he's demanding a trade to LA won't either. If another team is offering better incoming talent, you go for it. This GM didn't because Paul demanded either LA or NY.

[fos]

It's a move that had to be done. Let's hold a telethon and raise money for the Hornets though, poor team never really had a father.

[themurph]

The hell's that even mean?


What do you think it means?

This is now a legal bomb....

[Sarcastic]

That doesn't explain the fact they knew about the trade beforehand and only nixed it after a select few owners complained. That's just not right.

That I slightly agree with. They should have gotten involved earlier, and requested that Demps gets more in value than that.

Demps should be fired though. He can get a much better deal than this.

[Wonder Bread Kid]

They don't you retarded kid. Go learn the face and then come back. May be I will have mercy and not sacrifice.

WTF is the face? And the NBA does own the Hornets. That's a fact, or as you call it, a face.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

They are not dictating a trade. They vetoed a trade that lowers the value of their property. The owners have to pay the salaries of the Hornets this year. Why would they want to assume more salary, while getting nothing good in return?

If you're trying to sell your car, would you crash it into a tree first, or would you try to fix up and make it more presentable?
Too much speculation. I can't wait to see the facts.

[fos]

http://theepicride.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/chicken_little-sky-is-falling.jpg

[iamgine]

Since owners own the Hornets, don't they also have the right to vote on deals? Why is this such a big deal?

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Since owners own the Hornets, don't they also have the right to vote on deals? Why is this such a big deal?
I doubt it. Wouldn't the Hornet's GM know this small detail?

[Clippersfan86]

He's right. It's changed for the better. Now players know the NBA isn't going to take any BS like players forcing their way to certain teams in trades etc.

[Timmy D for MVP]

I think David Stern needs to step down. And will have to or be muscled out soon. However I can understand why he and the owners who "didn't even talk about it" did this.

It's interesting the way it played out and it'll be interested to see what happens from here. I have a feeling the general public won't understand everything going on here and the backlash will be immense. Will be interesting to see...

In my personal opinion that team should be contracted anyway. But maybe the league knows something we don't about a new owner moving the team elsewhere...

[LA_Showtime]

I do think Cp3's won the media battle. There ain't gonna be no LeBron backlash wherever he goes

[bdreason]

This deal gives them more salary with a worse team. How does this benefit them at all?


Have you looked at their roster? They have 5 guys under contract, so they NEED to add players. Their team would not be worse after this trade. Right now the Hornets are CP3, Ariza, and Okafor.... and a couple scrubs. If they wanted to add decent players to that squad, they have to spend at least 10-20 million.

With the trade, Hornets add borderline All-Stars at 3 positions, while retaining both Ariza and Okafor. Of course the trade is going to add salary... you're adding 3 additional quality players. 3 players that the Hornets will have to add anyway unless they plan on sinking to the bottom of the Western Conference.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

"the NBA has changed."

No it hasn't.

The owner of the team (in this case, multiple owners) decided against the trade.

LOL at the media doing everything they can to get the trade to happen.

"The NBA as we knew is long gone. For tonight the winds of change have forever changed the landscape of the NBA. This is the 9/11 for the NBA."

No, sit down ass hat.

Everyone will forget about this come Monday.

your hatred for the lakers have made you blind....

[Bladers]

WTF is the face? And the NBA does own the Hornets. That's a fact, or as you call it, a face.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/bawanaal/HomerSimpsonFacepalm.jpg

The League owns the team not the damn owners.
And stern calls all the shots regardless of what the owners say or think. He makes the FIRST, LAST and ONLY decision regardless whether the owners like it or not.

Get that shit straight!

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Have you looked at their roster? They have 5 guys under contract, so they NEED to add players. Their team would not be worse after this trade. Right now the Hornets are CP3, Ariza, and Okafor.... and a couple scrubs. If they wanted to add decent players to that squad, they have to spend at least 10-20 million.

With the trade, Hornets add borderline All-Stars at 3 positions, while retaining both Ariza and Okafor. Of course the trade is going to add salary... you're adding 3 additional quality players. 3 players that the Hornets will have to add anyway unless they plan on sinking to the bottom of the Western Conference.

TRUE. but people here are going to hate no matter how logical argument you put out here just because of there hatred towards the lakers

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

He's right. It's changed for the better. Now players know the NBA isn't going to take any BS like players forcing their way to certain teams in trades etc.
then on the flip side you got players leaving and teams receiving zero compensation. and fans will btch about that as well. it's a no win situation. nothing ever seems fair. just do away with free agency and make players only play for the teams they were drafted by.

[Wonder Bread Kid]

your hatred for the lakers have made you blind....

It have not. :oldlol:

My hatred for the Lakers just make me more cognisant.

[chazzy]

He's right. It's changed for the better. Now players know the NBA isn't going to take any BS like players forcing their way to certain teams in trades etc.
What if Paul stated he would extend with the Clippers and was subsequently traded there? Would you be upset about that?

[dreaming121]

Do they also have the right to just spend no money and let the Hornets suck? One less team to compete with, right?


Maybe the NBA should buy more teams. Then they can just use those teams as punching bags for the rest of the league. Think Washington Generals.

It does not work that way. The League gives the Hornets a budget to spend.

If the league accepted the trade for the NOH
NOH will get:
Luis Scola - 8,591,793
Lamar Odom - 8,900,000
Kevin Martin - 12,019,840
Goran Dragic - 2,108,000
Total: 31,619,633

NOH will lose
Chris Paul - 16,359,805

NOH will be taking an additional salary of: 15,259,828

In a financial perspective. It is not a good deal. The NOH will be taking more salary over a longer period of time while staying in mediocrity whilst trying to sell the team.

It will be less inciting for potential buyers for NOH, as they will have larger payroll for contracts that will expire with an average of 3 years left.

[Allstar24]

I'm sorry but I thought the NBA owned the Hornets and were supposed to have their best interest? They CLEARLY don't if they are risking letting CP3 walk away with NO getting nothing in return. This has to be illegal or inspected at least. I know the league got scared and that's why they quickly put out some shitty statement about doing this for "basketball reasons" as they try to come up with a legit reason. And now CP3 is going to take legal action and not report to camp...neither is Lamar...this is not going away, it will get ugly.

[Clippersfan86]

What if Paul stated he would extend with the Clippers and was subsequently traded there? Would you be upset about that?

Why throw out hypotheticals? CP3 was traded with no extension. If he was traded to Clippers with current contract and trade was rescinded... I would of been celebrating. 3 days ago when we learned he wouldn't extend with Warriors/Clippers before trade no matter what... I didn't want trade to go through, unless it was for our lesser pieces which NO didn't want.

[Wonder Bread Kid]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/bawanaal/HomerSimpsonFacepalm.jpg

The League owns the team not the damn owners.
And stern calls all the shots regardless of what the owners say or think. He makes the FIRST, LAST and ONLY decision regardless whether the owners like it or not.

Get that shit straight!

You're not that stupid are you?

[iamgine]

I doubt it. Wouldn't the Hornet's GM know this small detail?
Yeah he knew but he didn't think they'd be against it.

[bdreason]

It does not work that way. The League gives the Hornets a budget to spend.

If the league accepted the trade for the NOH
NOH will get:
Luis Scola - 8,591,793
Lamar Odom - 8,900,000
Kevin Martin - 12,019,840
Goran Dragic - 2,108,000
Total: 31,619,633

NOH will lose
Chris Paul - 16,359,805

NOH will be taking an additional salary of: 15,259,828

In a financial perspective. It is not a good deal. The NOH will be taking more salary over a longer period of time while staying in mediocrity whilst trying to sell the team.

It will be less inciting for potential buyers for NOH, as they will have larger payroll for contracts that will expire with an average of 3 years left.


And the alternative is what? Sign a bunch of scrubs around CP3 and have them tank the season? Then let CP3 walk for nothing in the summer? :oldlol:


CP3 is no longer an asset of the team, period. He is not staying there, and if they don't trade him to a team he wants, the Hornets will get nothing for him.

[blacknapalm]

woj better be careful. stern 'knows where the bodies are'. he's gonna send out a hit squad overnight.

[Clippersfan86]

And the alternative is what? Sign a bunch of scrubs around CP3 and have them tank the season? Then let CP3 walk for nothing in the summer? :oldlol:


CP3 is no longer an asset of the team, period. He is not staying there, and if they don't trade him to a team he wants, the Hornets will get nothing for him.

Not true :oldlol: . Celtics offered Rondo for rental CP3. Many many teams were willing to take him without extension dude. NO can do w/e the hell they want. Fu** what CP3 wants. He doesn't need to agree to sh**. He doesn't have a no trade clause

[liverpooty]

The owners own the Hornets, and a majority of them didn't want to trade Paul. Its as simple as that.

[bagelred]

Check this out:

[QUOTE]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=At_MCea0tR2fjoZ6_q4Uws28vLYF?slug=aw-wojnarowski_chris_paul_lakers_hornets_nba_120811

Hornets general manager Dell Demps is

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Yeah he knew but he didn't think they'd be against it.
i honestly don't think the owners have a vote. that's just my opinion. how can stern veto a trade that was never voted on to begin with?

[LA_Showtime]

And it's just going to get worse and worse, especially once agents and players start talking. All three teams are effectively ****ed. I don't see how the Lakers pull off a Dwight Howard trade now. The Hornets can't trade anybody. This situation's a mess.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Check this out:



It just gets worse.
this is exactly what i thought happened. thanks for posting :cheers:

[Bladers]

You're not that stupid are you?

Your idiotcy knows no bounds. Stern is the CEO of the NBA and like the president of the United States. He is elected by the NBA Owners, while the president is elected by the people.

But by your logic because the President is elected by the people it means the people run the show and calls the shots and makes the decisions for the president.

Yeah right... Idiot!


The Commissioner of the NBA is the chief executive of the National Basketball Association. He is elected by the NBA owners.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commissioner_of_the_NBA

[blacknapalm]

And it's just going to get worse and worse, especially once agents and players start talking. All three teams are effectively ****ed. I don't see how the Lakers pull off a Dwight Howard trade now. The Hornets can't trade anybody. This situation's a mess.

yep, this might be the worst thing to happen since the donaghy scandal

[Clippersfan86]

By the time training camp starts tomorrow and soon the season... everybody will forget about this.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Your idiotcy knows no bounds. Stern is the CEO of the NBA and like the president of the United States. He is elected by the NBA Owners, while the president is elected by the people.

But by your logic because the President is elected by the people it means the people run the show and calls the shots and makes the decisions for the president.

Yeah right... Idiot!



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commissioner_of_the_NBA

he is an ediot....no need to argue....

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

By the time training camp starts tomorrow and soon the season... everybody will forget about this.

lol just like everybody else who forget that a organization like the Clippers exists

[dreaming121]

And the alternative is what? Sign a bunch of scrubs around CP3 and have them tank the season? Then let CP3 walk for nothing in the summer? :oldlol:


CP3 is no longer an asset of the team, period. He is not staying there, and if they don't trade him to a team he wants, the Hornets will get nothing for him.

I believe the League should find an owner first before trying to trade Chris Paul or anyone in the Hornets. Rather than the league making a decision now and having a harder time finding a potential buyer.

That way the new owner has a choice of what to do with his team.

In the worst case scenario, when there are no buyers at all... The League should entertain trades near the trade deadline.

Tanking is better than taking MORE salaries as we are in for one of the deepest draft class.

[LA_Showtime]

By the time training camp starts tomorrow and soon the season... everybody will forget about this.

I love people who don't realize how bad this situation is. Stern should not have this type of power, period.

[DetroitPistonFan]

By the time training camp starts tomorrow and soon the season... everybody will forget about this.
Actually, it wouldn't be forgotten. How can anybody veto a trade when it's fair?

[Clippersfan86]

lol just like everybody else who forget that a organization like the Clippers exists

They will forget until the most exciting team in the NBA starts dunking on people again on Dec 25th :cheers: .

[Clippersfan86]

I love people who don't realize how bad this situation is. Stern should not have this type of power, period.

Thing is some are saying it's Stern... some saying it was an owners majority vote. Why place the blame if you don't know details or never will?

[ZenMaster]

Check this out:



It just gets worse.

It's supposed to be the most proffesional basketball league in the world. This whole fiasco is embarrasing.

[bdreason]

I believe the League should find an owner first before trying to trade Chris Paul or anyone in the Hornets. Rather than the league making a decision now and having a harder time finding a potential buyer.

That way the new owner has a choice of what to do with his team.

In the worst case scenario, when there are no buyers at all... The League should entertain trades near the trade deadline.

Tanking is better than taking MORE salaries as we are in for one of the deepest draft class.


So their strategy is to tank. That's fine, plenty of teams do it. It's just shady that the Hornets are owned by the league. And I'm sure CP3 isn't too happy about wasting a year of his career playing for a tanking team in a terrible market.

[InspiredLebowski]

Thing is some are saying it's Stern... some saying it was an owners majority vote. Why place the blame if you don't know details or never will?I very much doubt it was an owners vote. There's a TON of owners that are completely hands off about basketball decisions and would just say "shit if I know, call my Prez of Ops"

[Clippersfan86]

I very much doubt it was an owners vote. There's a TON of owners that are completely hands off about basketball decisions and would just say "shit if I know, call my Prez of Ops"

They don't need to know basketball. They just need to know that they don't want another decade dominated by the Lakers.

[Droid101]

So, Chris Paul not giving a shit for a season is better than getting assets?

Stern has gone too far.

[oh the horror]

They don't need to know basketball. They just need to know that they don't want another decade dominated by the Lakers.


And that is how they're going to run a league, and you dont think ANYTHING is wrong with that? Literally picking, and choosing who they want to succeed?

[Clippersfan86]

And that is how they're going to run a league, and you dont think ANYTHING is wrong with that? Literally picking, and choosing who they want to succeed?

Oh I never said it's not wrong. These teams got a raw deal. I'm just saying that.... there is no legal action that can be done and that I respect CP3 less. I'm not dissing the Lakers, Rockets or Hornets FO. They all did the right thing and nobody was getting raped on deal.

[ihatetimthomas]

By the time training camp starts tomorrow and soon the season... everybody will forget about this.

No, this is kind of unprecedented. This changes how teams deal players forever. I mean, what about Melo last season? Was he not dictating where he was going to play?

This is just how it is. Super star pLayers have power to decide where they want to play. There is no way to prevent this. This is just this incident, but this issue will continually come up in the future. Are they going to nix any deal they feel that the players wanted?

The NBA is a mess.

[blacknapalm]

Oh I never said it's not wrong. These teams got a raw deal. I'm just saying that.... there is no legal action that can be done and that I respect CP3 less. I'm not dissing the Lakers, Rockets or Hornets FO. They all did the right thing and nobody was getting raped on deal.

you respect cp3 less because he was drafted by a team that was taken over by the nba? he's a free agent that doesn't get to fully explore free agency and is at the mercy of an powerful group that can nix any deal they see fit for 'basketball reasons'

[oh the horror]

They all did the right thing and nobody was getting raped on deal.


Yes, but that isnt David's place to save teams from getting creamed in the market.


There is a reason why certain teams have been good for over a decade. They have great management and make good decisions.


NO got a pretty nice group of players. Houston was taken to the cleaners...but that was THEIR decision to make. They didnt even have to get involved in the deal at all.



I think this all just sets up a weird place for the league, ESPECIALLY coming off a lockout where people had a HORRIBLE taste in their mouths to begin with.

[oh the horror]

They all did the right thing and nobody was getting raped on deal.


Yes, but that isnt David's place to save teams from getting creamed in the market.


There is a reason why certain teams have been good for over a decade. They have great management and make good decisions.


NO got a pretty nice group of players. Houston was taken to the cleaners...but that was THEIR decision to make. They didnt even have to get involved in the deal at all.



I think this all just sets up a weird place for the league, ESPECIALLY coming off a lockout where people had a HORRIBLE taste in their mouths to begin with.

[Clippersfan86]

you respect cp3 less because he was drafted by a team that was taken over by the nba? he's a free agent that doesn't get to fully explore free agency and is at the mercy of an powerful group that can nix any deal they see fit for 'basketball reasons'

Have you not been keeping up?

1. CP3's initial trying to find his way to NY to play with his buddies and form another ridiculous big 3.

2. His controlling the trade options from behind the scenes.

3. His crying after trade was rescinded.

4. Him saying he will not report to training camp and punishing his teammates who had nothing to do with trade being cut off.


These are 4 pretty huge reasons why I respect him less.


BTW you're missing a key point. HE IS NOT A FU**ING FREE AGENT! He's still under contract.

[dreaming121]

So their strategy is to tank. That's fine, plenty of teams do it. It's just shady that the Hornets are owned by the league. And I'm sure CP3 isn't too happy about wasting a year of his career playing for a tanking team in a terrible market.

That is why it is the best interest of the league to find a new owner first before gunning on a deal! It would have avoided this type of situation!

What I don't understand is why are the Hornets/league trying to trade Paul this early when the trade deadline is still months away! They should first and foremost try to find an owner!

CP3 signed a contract with the Hornets. It does not matter what his feelings are. He can sign with another team next season or he'll be traded by the NOH. His feelings does not matter.

[themurph]

Stern has just did A LOT of harm to the NBA....headed down hill...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=At_MCea0tR2fjoZ6_q4Uws28vLYF?slug=aw-wojnarowski_chris_paul_lakers_hornets_nba_120811

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[Wonder Bread Kid]

Your idiotcy knows no bounds. Stern is the CEO of the NBA and like the president of the United States. He is elected by the NBA Owners, while the president is elected by the people.

But by your logic because the President is elected by the people it means the people run the show and calls the shots and makes the decisions for the president.

Yeah right... Idiot!



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commissioner_of_the_NBA

Yes, the NBA is structured like the US government. :facepalm

Jesus, again, you're not that stupid are you?

In business, a CEO has to answer to his board of directors or shareholders. The NBA owners are those people.

[dreaming121]

you respect cp3 less because he was drafted by a team that was taken over by the nba? he's a free agent that doesn't get to fully explore free agency and is at the mercy of an powerful group that can nix any deal they see fit for 'basketball reasons'

What? He is not yet a free agent. He is still in contract with the Hornets. Once this season is done he can opt out and formally enter free agency and go to any team he wants!

He is at the "mercy" of this group that "owns" his "contract".

[Wonder Bread Kid]

[QUOTE=themurph]Stern has just did A LOT of harm to the NBA....headed down hill...

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[JohnnyWall]

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[talkingconch]

CP3 is pissed as **** now

How the hell do you expect him to play out this season truthfully with New Orleans?

[dreaming121]

Stern has just did A LOT of harm to the NBA....headed down hill...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=At_MCea0tR2fjoZ6_q4Uws28vLYF?slug=aw-wojnarowski_chris_paul_lakers_hornets_nba_120811

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Stern kills Lakers’ deal for Paul
Adrian Wojnarowski

By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports 1 hour, 1 minute ago


What harm? You mean harm to some Analyst. And it only affects 3 teams and not the other 27...

Edit: Woj is taking emotion the best of him... He is not thinking very well


“How do the Lakers explain this to Odom? How does Houston deal with the guys it just tried to trade? Scola and Martin are going to be pissed at them, and who knows how long that takes to get over? Explain to me how the league kills this Pau Gasol deal, but allows Kwame Brown for Pau Gasol?

Did he just forgot the league owns the Hornets ? Back then it was allowed because there were individual owners owning the said teams (Memphis and LA)

[Bladers]

Yes, the NBA is structured like the US government. :facepalm

Jesus, again, you're not that stupid are you?

In business, a CEO has to answer to his board of directors or shareholders. The NBA owners are those people.

And the president doesn't have to answer to Congress and the Judiciary?

LOL... Don't make me laugh!

[Doctor Rivers]

It have not. :oldlol:

My hatred for the Lakers just make me more stupid.

fixed

[Wonder Bread Kid]

And the president doesn't have to answer to Congress and the Judiciary?

LOL... Don't make me laugh!

Holy shit kid. The NBA is a business and modeled after a business not a democratic government. Just STFU now.

[monkeypox]

What harm? You mean harm to some Analyst. And it only affects 3 teams and not the other 27...

Edit: Woj is taking emotion the best of him... He is not thinking very well



Did he just forgot the league owns the Hornets ? Back then it was allowed because there were individual owners owning the said teams (Memphis and LA)


According to the league itself, ownership had nothing to do with it. This was a move by Stern. He can technically do this to any team in the league. Try again.

[Doctor Rivers]

I very much doubt it was an owners vote. There's a TON of owners that are completely hands off about basketball decisions and would just say "shit if I know, call my Prez of Ops"

Dan Gilbert
Michael Jordan
Jerry Buss
Mark Cuban
...

[themurph]

What harm? You mean harm to some Analyst. And it only affects 3 teams and not the other 27...

Edit: Woj is taking emotion the best of him... He is not thinking very well



Did he just forgot the league owns the Hornets ? Back then it was allowed because there were individual owners owning the said teams (Memphis and LA)

No ONE didn't forget anything...Stern OK'd the deal...He had no issue with it...It was a few owners led by Cleveland's owner that balked at the deal...

And what's the harm? The harm is CP3 is going to take legal action against the league, which could put this season in hiatus......

The harm is the NBA just took a huge negative publicity hit from the lock-out and now they are embarrassed by this BS...

The harm is the emotional damage this does to three different teams...

The harm is other GMs and players are up in arms about how this deal was stopped....

The harm is the NBA now looks like a rinky dink sports league...

The harm is this could affect other teams from making other deals and signing free-agents (As a Bulls fan, this pisses me off...)..

Again, this is not about just the Lakers...This is about the NBA and how F'd up this situation is...FOR EVERYONE....

[InspiredLebowski]

Dan Gilbert
Michael Jordan
Jerry Buss
Mark Cuban
...Sweet 4 guys.

[Soundwave]

Why do I get the feeling we're going to be listening to Laker fans cry about this for the next 10 years?

In 1996 the Lakers flat out tampered in getting Shaq and the DeVos family was furious about it and wanted a full blown investigation. If an investigation had gone through, not only would the Lakers have lost Shaq they would've been punished with the loss of additional draft picks on top of that.

It's widely believed that David Stern talked Rich DeVos out of pursuing that.

So all these Laker fans who hate Stern now maybe should kiss his a** for the three titles they got because of Shaq being there.

[Doctor Rivers]

Sweet 4 guys.

sweet, how about some more?

Jerry Reinsdorf
Micky Arison
Mikhail Prokhorov
Robert Sarver
Grousbeck/Pagliuca


I could keep going, but i think that's enough

sweet.

[eliteballer]

Why do I get the feeling we're going to be listening to Laker fans cry about this for the next 10 years?

In 1996 the Lakers flat out tampered in getting Shaq and the DeVos family was furious about it and wanted a full blown investigation. If an investigation had gone through, not only would the Lakers have lost Shaq they would've been punished with the loss of additional draft picks on top of that.

It's widely believed that David Stern talked Rich DeVos out of pursuing that.

So all these Laker fans who hate Stern now maybe should kiss his a** for the three titles they got because of Shaq being there.


bullsh!t. Prove it:mad:

[dreaming121]

No ONE didn't forget anything...Stern OK'd the deal...He had no issue with it...It was a few owners led by Cleveland's owner that balked at the deal...

And what's the harm? The harm is CP3 is going to take legal action against the league, which could put this season in hiatus......

The harm is the NBA just took a huge negative publicity hit from the lock-out and now they are embarrassed by this BS...

The harm is the emotional damage this does to three different teams...

The harm is other GMs and players are up in arms about how this deal was stopped....

The harm is the NBA now looks like a rinky dink sports league...

The harm is this could affect other teams from making other deals and signing free-agents (As a Bulls fan, this pisses me off...)..

Again, this is not about just the Lakers...This is about the NBA and how F'd up this situation is...FOR EVERYONE....

Legal action ? On what grounds ? What is his case ?

Public Negativity? Fans have mixed feelings about this. Some are happy the trade didn't went through, some are not happy the trade did not went through.

Yes, it does hurt the three teams.

Rinky Dinky ? How? Does the league not own the Hornets? Does the league have not a say how the Hornets should be handled even though they own the Hornets?

This "harm" does not effect ANY OTHER TEAMS!

STERN did not VETO this trade as a COMMISSIONER, STERN VETOED this trade as an OWNER!

Let us take this example with All-Net with his Chandler topic.


You have to think about it this way.

NYK = owned by James Dolan.

Hornets = owned by all NBA teams and Stern is their representative.

What this means is... You should treat Stern as an owner and not as a commissioner with regards to the Hornets.

Stern did not veto this trade as a commissioner... But as an owner.

You should understand with regards to Chandler, Stern acts as a commissioner and not as an owner.

If some other person owned the Hornets other than the league. Stern has no say in trying to veto this trade.

Sterns grounds for vetoing the Chris Paul trade = Being an owner for the NOH.

Sterns grounds for vetoing the Chandler signing = None. Unless NYK did something illegal, like under the table talks with Chandler.

It is not fu.cked up because there is a logical explanation on why and how Stern was able to veto the trade.

[Sound and Fury]

Cross-posting and cutting down some:

What you're seeing here is what the lockout was really about. It's about power.

The star players have learned how to work the system so they can both choose where they want to live AND get their money. You sign a short extension after your rookie deal to get you to max dollars, than inform the team going into the final year of your deal that you will not re-sign with them and they should shop you.

The owners want to say, "you can't have your cake and eat it, too" - or, more bluntly, "you can pick where you want to play, but you'll have to give up tons of money to do it." Problem is, doing business in this way creates bad blood between the team ownership and other players, which kills the team's chances of attracting other players. Not only that but they can't try to call the player's bluff, because if he DOES walk, they come up empty-handed, which ALSO hurts their franchise. Every owner wants to tell the star players, "Money. Control. Pick ONE." But none of them dares to do it with their OWN teams.

Doing it with the Hornets, where the ownership situation is opaque and the exact owners who are pulling for this can't be identified, and thus don't suffer the bad press, is a way for the NBA owners to yell this message at the players and actually screw a star player over for daring to try to flip the tables of control from owners to players. Yes, it's petty. But I think the league wants to make SOMEONE an example, and the Hornets are the perfect vehicle to do this (that it happens to be Chris Paul is unfortunate for him). It lets them send that message while they torpedo someone ELSE'S franchise (whoever the poor guy is that winds up buying the Hornets).

It will be interesting to see how this plays out, not from a basketball perspective, but from a "power struggle" perspective. Chris Paul vs. the Hornets is a microcosm of what has been going on for years and what was brought to an ugly head with "The Decision." The players have been colluding for the past couple of years and in the Hornets, the NBA owners have the perfect vehicle with which to collude back, at least as far as sending a message.

As others have noted, this could well be construed as a significant conflict of interest. The Hornets need to be sold. But until they are, this is going to be ugly, and even more than the just-concluded CBA negotiations, could really drive a huge wedge between the players and owners by the time we hit our next go-round (and my feeling is that this is some of what Woj referred to when he said "the league has changed" - the owners are more hard-line now about "money and control" and are trying to show it).

[brisbaneman]

Cross-posting and cutting down some:

What you're seeing here is what the lockout was really about. It's about power.

The star players have learned how to work the system so they can both choose where they want to live AND get their money. You sign a short extension after your rookie deal to get you to max dollars, than inform the team going into the final year of your deal that you will not re-sign with them and they should shop you.

The owners want to say, "you can't have your cake and eat it, too" - or, more bluntly, "you can pick where you want to play, but you'll have to give up tons of money to do it." Problem is, doing business in this way creates bad blood between the team ownership and other players, which kills the team's chances of attracting other players. Not only that but they can't try to call the player's bluff, because if he DOES walk, they come up empty-handed, which ALSO hurts their franchise. Every owner wants to tell the star players, "Money. Control. Pick ONE." But none of them dares to do it with their OWN teams.

Doing it with the Hornets, where the ownership situation is opaque and the exact owners who are pulling for this can't be identified, and thus don't suffer the bad press, is a way for the NBA owners to yell this message at the players and actually screw a star player over for daring to try to flip the tables of control from owners to players. Yes, it's petty. But I think the league wants to make SOMEONE an example, and the Hornets are the perfect vehicle to do this (that it happens to be Chris Paul is unfortunate for him). It lets them send that message while they torpedo someone ELSE'S franchise (whoever the poor guy is that winds up buying the Hornets).

It will be interesting to see how this plays out, not from a basketball perspective, but from a "power struggle" perspective. Chris Paul vs. the Hornets is a microcosm of what has been going on for years and what was brought to an ugly head with "The Decision." The players have been colluding for the past couple of years and in the Hornets, the NBA owners have the perfect vehicle with which to collude back, at least as far as sending a message.

As others have noted, this could well be construed as a significant conflict of interest. The Hornets need to be sold. But until they are, this is going to be ugly, and even more than the just-concluded CBA negotiations, could really drive a huge wedge between the players and owners by the time we hit our next go-round (and my feeling is that this is some of what Woj referred to when he said "the league has changed" - the owners are more hard-line now about "money and control" and are trying to show it).

Repped simply for the fact your screename is one of the 5 greatest novels ever written.

[Sound and Fury]

Repped simply for the fact your screename is one of the 5 greatest novels ever written.
Right now, David Stern does NOT smell like flowers.:pimp:

[brisbaneman]

Right now, David Stern does NOT smell like flowers.:pimp:


Right now he is Dalton Aimes.

[themurph]

Legal action ? On what grounds ? What is his case ?

Public Negativity? Fans have mixed feelings about this. Some are happy the trade didn't went through, some are not happy the trade did not went through.

Yes, it does hurt the three teams.

Rinky Dinky ? How? Does the league not own the Hornets? Does the league have not a say how the Hornets should be handled even though they own the Hornets?

This "harm" does not effect ANY OTHER TEAMS!

STERN did not VETO this trade as a COMMISSIONER, STERN VETOED this trade as an OWNER!

Let us take this example with All-Net with his Chandler topic.



It is not fu.cked up because there is a logical explanation on why and how Stern was able to veto the trade.

Stern only vetoed the trade because of a few small market owners balked...It's not a good look however you look at it...And yeah...Paul is suing...And he has the grounds....Why? Because the Hornets are owned by the league...And Paul can now press the fact that a deal that was already signed off on didn't go through because of owners being *****, and had nothing to do with the Hornets not getting a fair deal (Because that deal was pretty damn good)...

And where does this leave the Hornets next season? No where...Because Paul can walk and they get nothing...

Bad business all the way around...

[statman32]

jmikeNBAusat
Im told by a team owner that Stern did NOT consult him/them before making the decision to disallow #Hornets #Lakers deal #nba

- Per a reputable guy

This will be the end of Stern. Don't think this won't go to court and the NBA won't lose.

[comerb]

Legal action ? On what grounds ? What is his case ?


Unfair business practices, collusion, sabotage, and conflict of interests. A regular corporation could get away with it, but not with a union as powerful as the players association.

The fact that the Hornet's GM is the one who set up the trade, and who feels like he's been slapped in the face after doing a fantastic job of putting the Hornets in the best position possible... pretty much seals the league's fate in a court of law.

[Soundwave]

- Per a reputable guy

This will be the end of Stern. Don't think this won't go to court and the NBA won't lose.

The Hornets are owned by the NBA. Stern is the NBA commisoner, so in effect he is the legal owner of the Hornets.

The deal isn't even an official deal, as no trade can be made before Friday the 9th. No trade has occurred officially yet as it would be illegal to do so before the 9th.

Paul has no case. He's going to have to accept a trade to the Clippers or Celtics and he's going to have to like it. And if he wants to sign with the Lakers he can do so as a free agent (and take a huge pay cut to do so).

The only way Paul has a legit case is if the other NBA owners rise up and say they want this trade to go through. And how many teams do you think are really going to do that? LOL. Every Western Conference GM will say no, and at least half the East too (Gilbert is salty as hell, you know the Heat, Bulls, Knicks, Magic, etc. will say no also).

[Wonder Bread Kid]

This will be the end of Stern. Don't think this won't go to court and the NBA won't lose.

On what grounds? Under what precedents?

There's nothing illegal with an owner nixing a trade.

[Wonder Bread Kid]

Unfair business practices, collusion, sabotage, and conflict of interests.

Unfair? To whom?

Collusion? How?

Sabotage? In what way?

Conflict of interest? Either or, it's a conflict. The team is league owned.

:roll:

[oh the horror]

- Per a reputable guy

This will be the end of Stern. Don't think this won't go to court and the NBA won't lose.


If that quote is true, its about to look REAL BAD for Stern. This might just get sloppy.

[themurph]

Unfair business practices, collusion, sabotage, and conflict of interests. A regular corporation could get away with it, but not with a union as powerful as the players association.

The fact that the Hornet's GM is the one who set up the trade, and who feels like he's been slapped in the face after doing a fantastic job of putting the Hornets in the best position possible... pretty much seals the league's fate in a court of law.


^^^^Paying attention....

[oh the horror]

So, if the media gets into this, and digs deep, this could potentially get ugly?

[comerb]

Unfair? To whom?

Collusion? How?

Sabotage? In what way?

Conflict of interest? Either or, it's a conflict. The team is league owned.

:roll:

Really?

To the players and the Hornet franchise. The league is limiting Chris Paul's ability to play for certain teams specifically because they dislike the scenario. This is in total disregard to the fact that the CBA put in place makes it completely legal and fair. You can't put rules into place, and then go "oh wait, we call mulligan" because the league doesn't like how it works out. One of the big things the Union fought for in this CBA was to retain the right for players to play for ANY team, the Union will not stand for the league dictating where players can play and where they cannot based on unsubstantiated "basketball decisions "

On top of that, the Hornet's are now in a position where they will get -nothing- for Chris Paul when he goes into free agency. This is blantantly bad management.

Collusion is for the owners conspiring with the league to prevent the Lakers from using the rules set forth in the CBA to gain Paul in a fair trade approved by the Hornet's own GM.

Conflict of Interests is the owners pressuring the NBA office to not approve the trade because it hurts their competitive chance. From a moral business standpoint, the NBA should be looking to make the Hornets a better team, and put them in a position where they can get a buyer. By pissing away by far the best trade scenario possible for them, they have devalued the franchises worth. All in order to make the owners happy.

Sabotage is them destroying a deal that is beneficial to all teams involved because the other teams owners do not like the outcome. This is unacceptable in a competitive business environment.

[themurph]

On what grounds? Under what precedents?

There's nothing illegal with an owner nixing a trade.


When the owner is the NBA, and had NO problems with said trade until a few other owners made their voices known, there is indeed some legal fall-out...

[blacknapalm]

So, if the media gets into this, and digs deep, this could potentially get ugly?

you can bet woj is on the case. there's another guy that is ether that works for yahoo...he uncovered both the ohio state and miami scandals :lol

if they team up and don't find stuff, everyone else should just give up

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

If that quote is true, its about to look REAL BAD for Stern. This might just get sloppy.


oh yeah its going to get sloppy and the NBA imaged is going to ruined for ever

if the NBA Owners were that fearful they should have let the 3billion go but get the HARD cap and Francise player tag rules passed in their favor

NOW its a MESS

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

you can bet woj is on the case. there's another guy that is ether that works for yahoo...he uncovered both the ohio state and miami scandals :lol

if they team up and don't find stuff, everyone else should just give up

who came out with USC and reggie bush scandal? wasnt it Yahoo?

[Soundwave]

oh yeah its going to get sloppy and the NBA imaged is going to ruined for ever

if the NBA Owners were that fearful they should have let the 3billion go but get the HARD cap and Francise player tag rules passed in their favor

NOW its a MESS

Not really. Paul will end up with the Clippers or something, and people will go back to watching basketball.

It's only Laker fans that will be bitter about it for the next 10 years, but guess what? Magic fans have every reason to still be bitter at you guys for the Shaq-fiasco which was actually blatantly illegal and should've resulted in the Lakers losing O'Neal and being punished the way the Timberwolves were a few years ago for tampering.

[oh the horror]

Collusion is for the owners conspiring with the league to prevent the Lakers from using the rules set forth in the CBA to gain Paul in a fair trade.

Conflict of Interests is the owners pressuring the NBA office to not approve the trade because it hurts their competitive chance.

Sabotage is them destroying a deal that is beneficial to all teams involved because the other teams owners do not like the outcome.


Boom.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Not really. Paul will end up with the Clippers or something, and people will go back to watching basketball.

It's only Laker fans that will be bitter about it for the next 10 years, but guess what? Magic fans have every reason to still be bitter at you guys for the Shaq-fiasco which was actually blatantly illegal and should've resulted in the Lakers losing O'Neal and being punished the way the Timberwolves were a few years ago for tampering.

lol..you didnt even know what happened in Shaq scenario, do u?

[themurph]

Not really. Paul will end up with the Clippers or something, and people will go back to watching basketball.

It's only Laker fans that will be bitter about it for the next 10 years, but guess what? Magic fans have every reason to still be bitter at you guys for the Shaq-fiasco which was actually blatantly illegal and should've resulted in the Lakers losing O'Neal and being punished the way the Timberwolves were a few years ago for tampering.


Paul won't end up anywhere....Because no one will make a trade for him because of what happened....That's the issue...

[blacknapalm]

who came out with USC and reggie bush scandal? wasnt it Yahoo?

i think so. maybe i'm confusing the ohio state one with usc. i know the same guy basically uncovered two and he works for yahoo. ok, just found it...dan wetzel is his name. if you ever see him and stern's name in the same sentence, it's over :lol

[statman32]

On what grounds? Under what precedents?

There's nothing illegal with an owner nixing a trade.
If Stern is not the general partner, he will have huge problems. Right now I'm looking at records to determine who exactly is in charge of the Hornets. Assuming it is Stern is a lil silly.

[Wonder Bread Kid]

If Stern is not the general partner, he will have huge problems. Right now I'm looking at records to determine who exactly is in charge of the Hornets. Assuming it is Stern is a lil silly.

Yeah, assuming the commissioner of the NBA is in some sense a tangible figure in the ownership of an NBA owned team is quite silly.

Jon the plumber on the seventh floor of the NBA HQ is the head guy in charge of the Hornets. Stupid me.

You honestly think, Stern, a career lawyer, who's surrounded by legal personnel didn't think through what he was doing? Now that's silly.

[comerb]

So, if the media gets into this, and digs deep, this could potentially get ugly?

Very.

[blacknapalm]

meh, we're gonna need someone with a law degree now. no good comes out of us masquerading as lawyers

[Soundwave]

Paul won't end up anywhere....Because no one will make a trade for him because of what happened....That's the issue...

There is no issue. The Lakers just have a lot of enemies. And a lot of them happen to own the New Orleans Hornets.

I don't think any of them will make much of a stink if he's dealt to say OKC or Clipperville or even aging Boston.

[eliteballer]

Hopefully the public outrage will force the league to renege

[Wonder Bread Kid]

Hopefully the public outrage will force the league to renege

What outrage? Lakers fans and some media people? :oldlol:

[Soundwave]

lol..you didnt even know what happened in Shaq scenario, do u?

If the Lakers had been investigated for what happened, it would've gotten ugly.

Real ugly.

They knew well in advance that they were getting Shaq by having meeting with his agent while he was still with the Orlando Magic. That's why West cleared so much cap room to get him, he knew all along.

The DeVos family was furious and wanted an investigation, but the NBA quietly nixed it.

[UtahJazzFan88]

CP3's going to end up on the Lakers still, I really think he will after the outcry.

[themurph]

There is no issue. The Lakers just have a lot of enemies. And a lot of them happen to own the New Orleans Hornets.

I don't think any of them will make much of a stink if he's dealt to say OKC or Clipperville or even aging Boston.

Nah...now it would totally look like collusion if that happens...That's why this situation is dangerous...Stern F'd up...

[comerb]

There is no issue. The Lakers just have a lot of enemies. And a lot of them happen to own the New Orleans Hornets.

I don't think any of them will make much of a stink if he's dealt to say OKC or Clipperville or even aging Boston.

You do realize that is a business ethics violation? The league can not take sides against the Lakers (or the players) in such an obvious manner, they'll get torn apart in court.

If they are going to deny the trade, they have to do so on reasonable grounds. Unfortunately for the league, the trade is beneficial to all teams involved, so any smokescreen they throw up (like "basketball decisions") will be pretty obvious bullshit.

[Soundwave]

You do realize that is a business ethics violation? The league can not take sides against the Lakers in such an obvious manner, they'll get torn apart in court.

The owners don't want the trade. Stern acts on behalf of the owners.

Phil Jackson called this months ago. The Lakers just learned the hard way.

There is no legally binding deal on paper to begin with, as no deals can be made before the 9th.

So this is no different than about 100 other deals that are made/rumored and nixed by the owner or any number of other reasons before pen is put to paper.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

If the Lakers had been investigated for what happened, it would've gotten ugly.

Real ugly.

They knew well in advance that they were getting Shaq by having meeting with his agent while he was still with the Orlando Magic. That's why West cleared so much cap room to get him, he knew all along.

The DeVos family was furious and wanted an investigation, but the NBA quietly nixed it.


lol...so you agree with the miami fa!gs signing too? they had been meeting for 2 years before they got the contract aligned?

LeDiva also changed his no from 23 to 6?

[Soundwave]

lol...so you agree with the miami fa!gs signing too? they had been meeting for 2 years before they got the contract aligned?

LeDiva also changed his no from 23 to 6?

Did their agents meet together? While they were playing with other teams?

Because Shaq's agent was having meeting/dinners with the Lakers before hand.

Stern it's widely believed protected the Lakers from the fury of the DeVos family, otherwise they would've been f*cked totally.

[comerb]

The owners don't want the trade. Stern acts on behalf of the owners.

Um, yeah, thats why its a business ethics violation. The owners are blatantly stifling rival competition in the league. That's so illegal its ridiculous.



There is no legally binding deal on paper to begin with, as no deals can be made before the 9th.


Completely irrelevant. They blocked the trade, so the league made an official response. That's all the union will need to file an objection and push this into court.



So this is no different than about 100 other deals that are made/rumored and nixed by the owner or any number of other reasons before pen is put to paper.

Except this one is being aired as dirty laundry. Which makes all the difference in the world. Just ask the banks.

[statman32]

Yeah, assuming the commissioner of the NBA is in some sense a tangible figure in the ownership of an NBA owned team is quite silly.

Jon the plumber on the seventh floor of the NBA HQ is the head guy in charge of the Hornets. Stupid me.

You honestly think, Stern, a career lawyer, who's surrounded by legal personnel didn't think through what he was doing? Now that's silly.
You keep assuming that Stern can do whatever the hell he wants. He doesn't, and making a decision on behalf of his employers without consulting them won't play out. Once again, Stern does not OWN any of the teams.

Everything leads to Stern making this decision not as a representative of the owners of the Hornets, but as a representative of the league offices. That is an issue, and while confusing, might cause a lot of issues. Some owners might be opposed to the deal, but nixing it from the league offices opens up the opportunity for people to sue the league, which in return, will cost these owners.

[statman32]

I haven't even talked about what this is going to turn into in the court of public opinion. Shit is about to hit the fan, and the only way it will be fixed, is for Stern to resign, and the owners either allowing this deal, or nixing it.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

I haven't even talked about what this is going to turn into in the court of public opinion. Shit is about to hit the fan, and the only way it will be fixed, is for Stern to resign, and the owners either allowing this deal, or nixing it.

nixing it is going to create more drama.....it would be wise to let this one go through

Laker haters dont reply to this post if you want to have a argument/reply like a 8 year old kid

[statman32]

Let's go back to the NBA's official statement.


Not true that owners killed the (3-team) deal. It wasn't even discussed at the Board meeting... League office declined to make the trade for basketball reasons." Statement issued to other media as well.


Per a league official ON THE RECORD. How can someone argue that Stern acted on behalf of the owners of the New Orleans Hornets when the league office released this statement.

[Wonder Bread Kid]

You keep assuming that Stern can do whatever the hell he wants. He doesn't, and making a decision on behalf of his employers without consulting them won't play out. Once again, Stern does not OWN any of the teams.

I'm assuming that Stern knows exactly what he's doing and knows what if any consequences there are for any action he takes. He sure as hell knows what he's doing compared to some guy posting on a internet basketball forum. :oldlol:

[statman32]

nixing it is going to create more drama.....it would be wise to let this one go through


It might, but the owners of the New Orleans Hornets have every right to nix this trade because of financial reasons. If it was for another reason, it will open up a case of conflict of interest which will result in a long drawn-out case.

Agreed though, because of previous instances, it would be wise to let this through and THEN get your shit straight so that something of this magnitude won't happen again. Rules and guidelines agreed upon by the 29 owners is the first step in fixing this problem.

[Wonder Bread Kid]

I haven't even talked about what this is going to turn into in the court of public opinion. Shit is about to hit the fan, and the only way it will be fixed, is for Stern to resign, and the owners either allowing this deal, or nixing it.

The only people making any fuss about this are Lakers, their fans and media people.

Sure some players might be upset but the in the court of public opinion, no one gives a shit if Stern nixed a trade. :oldlol:

[Wonder Bread Kid]

Let's go back to the NBA's official statement.



Per a league official ON THE RECORD. How can someone argue that Stern acted on behalf of the owners of the New Orleans Hornets when the league office released this statement.

LOL at you just accepting PR Spin.

[statman32]

I'm assuming that Stern knows exactly what he's doing and knows what if any consequences there are for any action he takes. He sure as hell knows what he's doing compared to some guy posting on a internet basketball forum. :oldlol:
And this is when friendly discussion takes a U-Turn. Assuming that someone in power or with more knowledge is always right, has been proven incorrect many times.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

The only people making any fuss about this are Lakers, their fans and media people.

Sure some players might be upset but the in the court of public opinion, no one gives a shit if Stern nixed a trade. :oldlol:

you will be the 1 complaining next when your team gets fcuked by Stern ...good luck

[Wonder Bread Kid]

And this is when friendly discussion takes a U-Turn. Assuming that someone in power or with more knowledge is always right, has been proven incorrect many times.

Incorrect is a hell of a lot different than illegal or against league policies.

Many think it's incorrect because it's something that was unprecedented in the NBA, so most everyone is wondering "wtf?" and "is it legal?".

Again, Stern is a career lawyer and has a legal team that rivals most corporations. He didn't go into that decision blindly.

[Wonder Bread Kid]

you will be the 1 complaining next when your team gets fcuked by Stern ...good luck

We don't plan on trading with a league owned team. :oldlol:

[statman32]

The only people making any fuss about this are Lakers, their fans and media people.

Sure some players might be upset but the in the court of public opinion, no one gives a shit if Stern nixed a trade. :oldlol:
Really? I'm a Suns fan and I'm making a fuss. I'm sure quite a few Hornets fans disagree with this decision too. Hell, Dell Demps obviously disagrees with Stern's decision. I've also seen plenty of non-Lakers fans pretty pissed off about this in numerous threads.

This isn't really a case of the Lakers getting screwed for the majority of people. This has turned into a case of Stern abusing his "power" and the ramifications that will come of it. It's a NBA issue now. Thinking this is all about the Lakers is incorrect.

[B]

Oh I never said it's not wrong. These teams got a raw deal. I'm just saying that.... there is no legal action that can be done and that I respect CP3 less. I'm not dissing the Lakers, Rockets or Hornets FO. They all did the right thing and nobody was getting raped on deal.Wrong. CP3 would have been traded to the Lakers and they would have extended him or at least held his Bird Rights to give him a max contract. Now he'll be a free agent next summer capable of only a four year deal at the lesser rate. This is going to cost CP3 30 million dollars plus.
Not that this is different than any other players situation or what it would have been for him had no trade happened but the difference is he had the money in hand as soon as the teams announced a trade. That's the difference. CP3 was on his way to the payday and the league stepped in and that's where the argument will be made.

Plus article 14 of the owners agreement not the CBA but the bylaws the owners operate under amongst themselves bars owners colluding to influence other teams. That's why the League office was adamant about it being a Basketball Reason and not influenced by the owners, Dan Gilbert's letter and Mark Cuban's comments show that not to be the case.

This probably won't hit a courtroom because the league would or will settle with Paul to avoid the embarrassment.

The thing the league should be worried about, is Jerry Buss with a Time Warner Cable deal in his pocket, he just might decide to blow that extra 200 million per year on luxury taxes for a few years! Ha

[Wonder Bread Kid]

Really? I'm a Suns fan and I'm making a fuss. I'm sure quite a few Hornets fans disagree with this decision too. Hell, Dell Demps obviously disagrees with Stern's decision. I've also seen plenty of non-Lakers fans pretty pissed off about this in numerous threads.

This isn't really a case of the Lakers getting screwed for the majority of people. This has turned into a case of Stern abusing his "power" and the ramifications that will come of it. It's a NBA issue now. Thinking this is all about the Lakers is incorrect.

Suns fans are just Lakers fans living in a desert.

[skan72]

We don't plan on trading with a league owned team. :oldlol:

Spurs' management or ownership posting on this board? Interesting. Wasn't aware you were privy to the inner workings of what the Spurs are doing, ever.

Also, it's a problem because when owners in the past have blocked they've done so for teams that they own, solely. The conflict of interest factor here is astronomical. Sure, they each own part of the Hornets, but they also own other teams. Better judgement should have been employed by Mr. Stern.

[Wonder Bread Kid]

Spurs' management or ownership posting on this board? Interesting. Wasn't aware you were privy to the inner workings of what the Spurs are doing, ever.

Really, that was what you came with. :oldlol:


Also, it's a problem because when owners in the past have blocked they've done so for teams that they own, solely. The conflict of interest factor here is astronomical. Sure, they each own part of the Hornets, but they also own other teams. Better judgement should have been employed by Mr. Stern.

Hence the reason it is all being put on Stern.

[comerb]

The only people making any fuss about this are Lakers, their fans and media people.

Sure some players might be upset but the in the court of public opinion, no one gives a shit if Stern nixed a trade. :oldlol:

I actually hate the Lakers, and I have for probably the last 25 years. The abuse of power by Stern, and the blatantly unethical behavior of the league and owners to try and sidestep the new CBA literally hours after it has been passed is what pisses me off.

[skan72]

Really, that was what you came with. :oldlol:



Hence the reason it is all being put on Stern.

Really that's what you came back with? *employs use of stupid emoticon to augment post*

Also, this from @SportsLawGuy Article 14 of (old) NBA CBA is anti-collusion provision. Prevents teams from conspiring w/ each other w/r/t players.

[comerb]

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[skan72]

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[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Suns fans are just Lakers fans living in a desert.

lol just because the guy makes sense, he is a lakers fan?

Stat is a well reputed poster on this forum...i respect him ..as much as I hate him when Lakers play the Suns

Learn to respect other individual...i know you will laugh on this..or get really irritated

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[Allstar24]

Judging by all the responses I've seen, all the sensible basketball fans AND players seem to agree that what happened tonight was wrong...statman has always hated the Lakers...but smart people can put aside their hate and be objective. Retarded trolls clearly lack a brain and can't separate their blind hate from seeing the truth. I suggest people stop wasting time trying to reason with the trolls. It is what it is...nobody can change anything now. Blah...not even interested in basketball anymore. I'm done talking about this.

[Sarcastic]

Not only does this trade add more salary to the Hornets, which the league has to cover, but it also reduces the Laker's salaries, and lowers the amount they would have to pay in luxury tax. So in effect the league would be paying the Lakers to take Paul from the Hornets, while taking the 3 worst players of the trade. They wouldn't even get the second best player of the trade in Gasol. :lol

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[JustinJDW]

Of course the media is overblowing the shit out of this. "The NBA is changed forever. Oh God."

Give me a break. :rolleyes:

[blacknapalm]

Of course the media is overblowing the shit out of this. :rolleyes:

ya, just like they began overblowing a potential lockout last season and everyone said there wouldn't be one. or when they pointed out that 'competitive balance' was nothing more than PR and a money grab which it's proving to be