SAS-Deal was in place for Dwight to join Paul in L.A

[All Net]

Stephen A Smith radio show on 710 ESPN just said his source said that the plan was in place for cp3 and d12 to come to the Lakers. It was a package deal. It was already to go. Cp3 and d12 had talked about it and that was the plan.

from LG.

[longtime lurker]

No kidding. Lakers wouldn't trade 60% of a championship front court if there wasn't. I think this trade is going to get done, people will just have to accept it.

[DStebb716]

Don't think this makes sense though. Andrew Bynum for Dwight Howard straight up doesn't even touch other deals the Magic could get. (NJ to name one)

[KOBEtherealKing]

Mitch just do something!!!! Hurry up!!!

[DStebb716]

Also, if that's the case then the Dwight deal would've happened. NBA can't stop that.

[crosso√er]

Oh no, what a shocker. :lol
If people are pissed that LA will get both Paul & Dwight, how do you guys feel about David West joining LA to? *whistles*

[KOBEtherealKing]

Don't think this makes sense though. Andrew Bynum for Dwight Howard straight up doesn't even touch other deals the Magic could get. (NJ to name one)
Maybe bynum will stay healthy with orlando.
Healthy bynum > lopez

Lopez and picks is terrible and not fair even if they take hedos contract.

[crosso√er]

Honestly Stern royally screwed LA over last night, by Sunday we would have had a press conference announcing our two new members. This was the plan the whole time, but now only time will tell.

A lot has changed, still being optimistic though.

[R.I.P.]

AGAIN: What is stopping the Lakers from doing that deal without Paul involved?

All that trade could have been is Bynum+scrubs+picks for Howard.

[All Net]

Oh no, what a shocker. :lol
If people are pissed that LA will get both Paul & Dwight, how do you guys feel about David West joining LA to? *whistles*

Is that possible then?

[Fatal9]

This is why the trade absolutely can't go through. Stern taking one for the fans :applause:


AGAIN: What is stopping the Lakers from doing that deal without Paul involved?

All that trade could have been is Bynum+scrubs+picks for Howard.
I think it's clear Howard wants to play with either Deron or Paul.

[Fiasco]

Exactly why the CP3 trade was vetoed. Can't believe Stern did this but hell, I'm not complaining.

[Kurosawa0]

If that's true, I completely understand the owners' position. Why have half the teams in the league if this stuff is going to happen?

[DStebb716]

Maybe bynum will stay healthy with orlando.
Healthy bynum > lopez

Lopez and picks is terrible and not fair even if they take hedos contract.

Completely false. Take your Laker goggles off please.

Lakers deal: You still have the Hedo problem, an unhealthy C who makes 15 million.

Nets deal: You have Brook Lopez who is a healthy and solid young piece, you're completely rid of all bad contracts and you have multiple first rounders.

[crosso√er]

Is that possible then?

They are discussing a SnT for David West to LA along-side Chris Paul; preferably New Orleans wants Okafor gone too. That's the bottleneck, they will probably be negotiating until the end of the weekend. I hope they hit us with a bombshell and announce the trade tonight; like I said before, expect Howard to join LA days later unless Buss Jr. somehow influences our front office to wait till the deadline to make a move for Howard.

[Rowe]

Is that possible then?
Yes.

Lakers will receive a $8.9 Million Trade Exception if they complete the CP3 deal that the NBA nixed.

West would S&T to LA for their Trade Exception.

His market apparently wasnt what he was hoping for when he opted out.

[RazorBaLade]

Why does Stern get to dictate whether or not the Lakers are a successful team?

Is this basketball or WWE?

I mean I get that the fans of other teams are pissed. I mean I get it. But there needs to be an understanding of what is fair, vs what is legal. It is not fair for the lakers to constantly buy amazing teams. It is not LEGAL to not be allowed to do so.

[All Net]

From the sounds the chances of a deal going through is still has a good chance...guessing so Crossover?

[IGOTGAME]

They are discussing a SnT for David West to LA along-side Chris Paul; preferably New Orleans wants Okafor gone too. That's the bottleneck, they will probably be negotiating until the end of the weekend. I hope they hit us with a bombshell and announce the trade tonight; like I said before, expect Howard to join LA days later unless Buss Jr. somehow influences our front office to wait till the deadline to make a move for Howard.

only thing is whether or not Howard will still be on the market at the deadline.

And if those bums let us get David West too its a wrap.

Paul
Kobe
Hedo
West
Howard


Jerry Buss do it!!! Pull out the checkbook and use some of that future earning from the 5 billion dollar TV deal!

[crosso√er]

From the sounds the chances of a deal going through is still has a good chance...guessing so Crossover?

Don't know, haven't received anything from my friend for a while.
I knew the David West portion of the deal since 5pm, figured ESPN or another source would have mentioned it by now.

Hornets just want to shed as much salary as possible, the owners want NO's to stay under cap.

[KOBEtherealKing]

Completely false. Take your Laker goggles off please.

Lakers deal: You still have the Hedo problem, an unhealthy C who makes 15 million.

Nets deal: You have Brook Lopez who is a healthy and solid young piece, you're completely rid of all bad contracts and you have multiple first rounders.

If lakers traded odom, they would have to agree to take hedos contract. Then get rid of artest or waltons contracts.

[rs98762001]

If Stern already nixed one trade proposal that would have brought Paul to LA, what is he going to do when he's handed another one that gets them BOTH Paul and West? I just can't see that happening.

[The Choken One]

I like how everyone thinks it's bullshit that they can make this happen...

They're using their resources to perfection to pull off an amazing trade. They're giving up a lot of talent in return for a lot of talent.

Tell me why the NBA shouldn't allow this? You can't.

[crosso√er]

only thing is whether or not Howard will still be on the market at the deadline.

LA are taking a gamble, but their rationale is sound.
If LA does get Chris Paul, Dwight will most definitely prefer to play for LA. If NJ offer a deal, Howard will most likely reject an extension. No one directly told me this but I know they know something I don't, otherwise they wouldn't take such a gamble.

Fact is, very few teams are willing to gamble on Howard. Outside of NJ and the Clippers, there really is no threat out there.

[All Net]

Paul
Dwight
West

Really it's tough to see how this team could be beat.

[Rowe]

Completely false. Take your Laker goggles off please.

Lakers deal: You still have the Hedo problem, an unhealthy C who makes 15 million.

Nets deal: You have Brook Lopez who is a healthy and solid young piece, you're completely rid of all bad contracts and you have multiple first rounders.

Andrew Bynum > Brook Lopez

Darrius Morris & Devin Ebanks > Jordan Farmar & Johan Petro

2 Lakers 1st Round Picks w/Dwight(2012 & 2014) = 2 Nets 1st Round Picks w/Dwight(2012 & 2014)

They can still move Hedo to LA, but they'd have to take back Metta World Peace & Luke Walton.

You buy-out Walton & let Metta World Peace raise his trade value because he definetly can still put up good numbers in an elevated offensive role in Orlando.

[longtime lurker]

Well if the owners blocked the deal for this reason then it's outright collusion simple as that......

[crosso√er]

If Stern already nixed one trade proposal that would have brought Paul to LA, what is he going to do when he's handed another one that gets them BOTH Paul and West? I just can't see that happening.

It's beneficial for them to shed Okafor's contract and they do not want to re-sign West. It's not like NO's are losing anything in the deal. They're trying to attract West but also making LA take Okafor. I doubt LA will agree to this...

We'll see what happens I suppose.

[bagelred]

I would love this. Push Dwight to the Western Conference. Love it.


Then we'll have Knicks/Lakers Finals for the next 8 years in a row at least......just to piss off small market teams.


Hey Cleveland, how u?

[Kurosawa0]

I like how everyone thinks it's bullshit that they can make this happen...

They're using their resources to perfection to pull off an amazing trade. They're giving up a lot of talent in return for a lot of talent.

Tell me why the NBA shouldn't allow this? You can't.

At some point this has to stop. Miami was cool because it was unique and generated interest. If we're going to have almost all of the top 10 players in the league in Los Angeles, Chicago, New York and Miami why even have half of the league?

[IGOTGAME]

LA are taking a gamble, but their rationale is sound.
If LA does get Chris Paul, Dwight will most definitely prefer to play for LA. If NJ offer a deal, Howard will most likely reject an extension. No one directly told me this but I know they know something I don't, otherwise they wouldn't take such a gamble.

Fact is, very few teams are willing to gamble on Howard. Outside of NJ and the Clippers, there really is no threat out there.

hope you are right. because I don't see why he wouldn't sign with NJ. They are going to get better really quick imo.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

lol anybody listening to smith rite now? :oldlol: this guy is so loud.

[All Net]

The fact they are talking again and the talks being positive makes me think this deal will still go down.

[Rowe]

If Stern already nixed one trade proposal that would have brought Paul to LA, what is he going to do when he's handed another one that gets them BOTH Paul and West? I just can't see that happening.

David West is a Free Agent & New Orleans has no intentions of keeping regardless if CP3 is there or not.

[Kurosawa0]

lol anybody listening to smith rite now? :oldlol: this guy is so loud.

This is true. Smith's career has always been about yelling the loudest and getting attention.

[crosso√er]

Andrew Bynum > Brook Lopez

Darrius Morris & Devin Ebanks > Jordan Farmar & Johan Petro

2 Lakers 1st Round Picks w/Dwight(2012 & 2014) = 2 Nets 1st Round Picks w/Dwight(2012 & 2014)

They can still move Hedo to LA, but they'd have to take back Metta World Peace & Luke Walton.

You buy-out Walton & let Metta World Peace raise his trade value because he definetly can still put up good numbers in an elevated offensive role in Orlando.

Incorrect, Bynum & Walton for Hedo & Howard will work if LA use Sasha's trade exception in the deal. Both Walton & Bynum have a team option for 2012, that will shed over 20 million dollars for Orlando.

[IGOTGAME]

At some point this has to stop. Miami was cool because it was unique and generated interest. If we're going to have almost all of the top 10 players in the league in Los Angeles, Chicago, New York and Miami why even have half of the league?

I think there should be contraction. There are just too many teams. All of this should have been forseeable to be honest. Who the hell is gonna sign up to play in Cleveland?

[All Net]

Keep us updated Crossover...:cheers:

[chazzy]

At some point this has to stop. Miami was cool because it was unique and generated interest. If we're going to have almost all of the top 10 players in the league in Los Angeles, Chicago, New York and Miami why even have half of the league?
Yeah it's cool when your favorite player benefits from it, but when other guys do it? Enough is enough! Only one superteam allowed!

I think there should be contraction. There are just too many teams. All of this should have been forseeable to be honest. Who the hell is gonna sign up to play in Cleveland?
It's inevitable at this point.

[crosso√er]

Keep us updated Crossover...:cheers:

RoyceWebb Royce Webb, ESPN NBA
RT @jalenrose: I believe that the 3-team trade( Lakers/Hornets/Rockets) that was vetoed will no doubt happen by the start of the season #NBA

[longtime lurker]

At some point this has to stop. Miami was cool because it was unique and generated interest. If we're going to have almost all of the top 10 players in the league in Los Angeles, Chicago, New York and Miami why even have half of the league?

I have a way to stop it, it's called surround your best player with a good team. Everyone has a right to be pissed at Miami, I'm sure there was collusion involved, but at the end of the day they still did things legally. And the whole superstar thing is really overstated. In 3 years I don't see Durant forcing a trade to New York when they already have Carmelo, Amare and Chandler on the hook.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

How including west in a s&t bring the hornets below cap space?

[All Net]

RoyceWebb Royce Webb, ESPN NBA
RT @jalenrose: I believe that the 3-team trade( Lakers/Hornets/Rockets) that was vetoed will no doubt happen by the start of the season #NBA

Is that a guess or some kind of inside source? hmm i wonder.

[Kurosawa0]

Yeah it's cool when your favorite player benefits from it, but when other guys do it? Enough is enough! Only one superteam allowed!

So you've been cool all along with Miami and New York then? You've never once complained about how that went down at all?

[crosso√er]

How including west in a s&t bring the hornets below cap space?

Incentive for LA to take Okafor...

[longtime lurker]

Incorrect, Bynum & Walton for Hedo & Howard will work if LA use Sasha's trade exception in the deal. Both Walton & Bynum have a team option for 2012, that will shed over 20 million dollars for Orlando.

They can't combine a trade exception in a trade though. Unless they throw in World peace.

[IGOTGAME]

Incentive for LA to take Okafor...

so they want LA to take Okafor and West?

[Kurosawa0]

There can be no greater hypocrisy in the history of this league than if Laker fans expect people to think Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard teaming up is just fine.

[All Net]

There can be no greater hypocrisy in the history of this league than if Laker fans expect people to think Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard teaming up is just fine.

Maybe not but it's fun to see.

[The_Yearning]

There can be no greater hypocrisy in the history of this league than if Laker fans expect people to think Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard teaming up is just fine.

You weren't singing the same tune when LBJ+Wade+Bosh teamed up.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

I think there should be contraction. There are just too many teams. All of this should have been forseeable to be honest. Who the hell is gonna sign up to play in Cleveland?


They will... Freaking Cleveland didn't wanted to give up Hickson for amare

So that killed the deal and they ended up with Jamison

Kings when they were really good... All their games were sold out.. Even till 2008-09 I believe

Warriors went to playoffs once & there season tickets holder list sky rocketed


When warriors were in playoffs I sold my 2 $120/ticket for 2100

Have a good product and people will pay u to watch them

[RazorBaLade]

There can be no greater hypocrisy in the history of this league than if Laker fans expect people to think Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard teaming up is just fine.

We don't think its fair. The heat one wasn't "fair" either. But they didn't break the rules. Its like, only 10% less atrocious than the Heat tandem (just because I hope it would be done respectfully and with as much class as possible) but it's legal. It's ****ing legal, there is nothing that says we cannot improve our team. It is a JOKE if this paul trade doesn't go through now, an absolute joke.

[longtime lurker]

There can be no greater hypocrisy in the history of this league than if Laker fans expect people to think Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard teaming up is just fine.

How's that hypocrisy if the Lakers traded their whole starting front court in return? A championship front court mind you. If Lebron, Wade and Bosh all teamed up in a trade that's just good GMing.

[crosso√er]

They can't combine a trade exception in a trade though. Unless they throw in World peace.

It's tricky, because getting West would be a separate deal.
If they acquire both Okafor & Paul while letting Odom & Gasol walk, they do not receive that trade exception.

So right now, I am not sure how it will work to be honest if Okafor is included in the deal...

[chazzy]

So you've been cool all along with Miami and New York then? You've never once complained about how that went down at all?
Personally I'm not a big fan of all these stars teaming up, don't hate it though. It's cool to watch the actual basketball play out, but at the end of the day, it's not something I prefer. But I don't think the league has a right to step in and stop it from happening themselves like you're suggesting. Especially when it happens through trades involving a lot of assets going their team's way. I was just questioning why there's a double standard for you regarding Miami and other superteams.

[Rowe]

At some point this has to stop. Miami was cool because it was unique and generated interest. If we're going to have almost all of the top 10 players in the league in Los Angeles, Chicago, New York and Miami why even have half of the league?

OKC: Kevin Durant & Russell Westbrook
LAC: Blake Griffin & Eric Gordon
SAC: Tyreke Evans, DeMarcus Cousins, & The Jimmer
MIN: Kevin Love, Derrick Williams, & Ricky Rubio
WAS: John Wall
Philly: Jrue Holiday & Evan Turner
CLE: Kyrie Irving & Tristan Thompson
Utah: Derrick Favors & Enes Kanter


Then you've got all the studs coming in 2012 like Andre Drummond, Anthony Davis, Harrison Barnes, Jeremy Lamb, Steven Adams, Quincy Miller, Jared Sullinger, Perry Jones III, Terrence Jones, Tony Wroten Jr, & Austin Rivers.

The "present" superstars are on the big market teams in LA, NY, MIA, & Chicago.

The "future" superstars are on those small market teams.

Keep in mind just 5 years ago that LeBron was in Cleveland, Dwight was in Orlando, CP3 was in New Orleans, D-Will was in Utah, & Melo was in Denver.

They became "superstars" in small markets and decided the next step for their careers was to play in a big market.

[Kurosawa0]

You weren't singing the same tune when LBJ+Wade+Bosh teamed up.

No, it's great for the Lakers. It's just after all that's been said over the last year...

I mean, if Wade and LeBron are such losers for needing each other, what does that say about Kobe needing Paul AND Howard. I think that's stupid logic, but that the precedent that's been set.

[Rowe]

Incorrect, Bynum & Walton for Hedo & Howard will work if LA use Sasha's trade exception in the deal. Both Walton & Bynum have a team option for 2012, that will shed over 20 million dollars for Orlando.
True.

[IGOTGAME]

No, it's great for the Lakers. It's just after all that's been said over the last year...

I mean, if Wade and LeBron are such losers for needing each other, what does that say about Kobe needing Paul AND Howard. I think that's stupid logic, but that the precedent that's been set.

Kobe is 33 and has 5 titles.

[RazorBaLade]

No, it's great for the Lakers. It's just after all that's been said over the last year...

I mean, if Wade and LeBron are such losers for needing each other, what does that say about Kobe needing Paul AND Howard. I think that's stupid logic, but that the precedent that's been set.

lol we're not discussing fan opinions though!

You're saying it SHOULD NOT GO THROUGH

[crosso√er]

No, it's great for the Lakers. It's just after all that's been said over the last year...

I mean, if Wade and LeBron are such losers for needing each other, what does that say about Kobe needing Paul AND Howard. I think that's stupid logic, but that the precedent that's been set.

That's different.
Those guys colluded to join forces, when and where did Kobe ever demand that LA get Paul & Howard? Laker's front office pulling the necessary strings to better their team has nothing to do with Kobe wanting to join forces with them.

Of course he would love it, but it's a totally different situation, IMO.

[Kurosawa0]

OKC: Kevin Durant & Russell Westbrook
LAC: Blake Griffin & Eric Gordon
SAC: Tyreke Evans, DeMarcus Cousins, & The Jimmer
MIN: Kevin Love, Derrick Williams, & Ricky Rubio
WAS: John Wall
Philly: Jrue Holiday & Evan Turner
CLE: Kyrie Irving & Tristan Thompson
Utah: Derrick Favors & Enes Kanter

Blake Griffin plays in Los Angeles. Other than Kevin Durant, not one of those names are in the discussion as being one of the top 10 players in the league.

[longtime lurker]

It's tricky, because getting West would be a separate deal.
If they acquire both Okafor & Paul while letting Odom & Gasol walk, they do not receive that trade exception.

So right now, I am not sure how it will work to be honest if Okafor is included in the deal...

I know I'm talking about the Hedo trade. The trade exception they'd be receiving is only 9 mil. Hedo makes 11 million and I believe the numbers have to be within that 9 million range. So how do they do the trade unless its Bynum, Artest and Walton for Howard and Hedo?

[rs98762001]

There can be no greater hypocrisy in the history of this league than if Laker fans expect people to think Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard teaming up is just fine.
Why? What did the Heat give up to get Bosh and James? Nothing. You do know the Lakers are giving up the second most-important piece of 2 championship teams, as well as the current 6th Man of the year? The two situations are not quite comparable. Paul and Howard can of course force their teams' hands, but ultimately if both the Hornets and the Magic are willing to accept the deals offered to them, there is nothing unfair about the process whatsoever. Most objective observers in the media today agreed that the deal that the Hornets would have got for Paul was actually very positive. If the Magic get a similarly good deal for Howard, then what's the problem? Lopez and Bynum are not so far away from each other that you can say either would CLEARLY be a better centerpiece upon which to build around.

[Kurosawa0]

That's different.
Those guys colluded to join forces, when and where did Kobe ever demand that LA get Paul & Howard? Laker's front office pulling the necessary strings to better their team has nothing to do with Kobe wanting to join forces with them.

Of course he would love it, but it's a totally different situation, IMO.

So this whole year of backlash was just over semantics? Shouldn't Kobe want to do this on his own? I mean, as the clear number one, alpha male and all that crap?

[chazzy]

They also have the Vujacic exception still.. could they combine the two?

[2010splash]

Surprised there isn't as much outrage over Paul and Howard forcing their way to LA, a team that didn't have the cap space to sign either one of them.

This is 10x bigger than LeBron/Wade/Bosh to Miami. When Paul/Howard/Kobe to LAL goes down, they're the favorites to win it all for the next 5 years.

[Kurosawa0]

Why? What did the Heat give up to get Bosh and James? Nothing. You do know the Lakers are giving up the second most-important piece of 2 championship teams, as well as the current 6th Man of the year? The two situations are not quite comparable. Paul and Howard can of course force their teams' hands, but ultimately if both the Hornets and the Magic are willing to accept the deals offered to them, there is nothing unfair about the process whatsoever. Most objective observers in the media today agreed that the deal that the Hornets would have got for Paul was actually very positive. If the Magic get a similarly good deal for Howard, then what's the problem? Lopez and Bynum are not so far away from each other that you can say either would CLEARLY be a better centerpiece upon which to build around.

It's not about the Lakers getting these two guys. It's about how the fans of their team have acted and what they've said about Miami that makes them being okay with this so unbelievably hilarious.

[IGOTGAME]

Surprised there isn't as much outrage over Paul and Howard forcing their way to LA, a team that didn't have the cap space to sign either one of them.

This is 10x bigger than LeBron/Wade/Bosh to Miami. When Paul/Howard/Kobe to LAL goes down, they're the favorites to win it all for the next 5 years.

yep, Kobe for 10 rings!!!

[Kurosawa0]

When Paul/Howard/Kobe to LAL goes down, they're the favorites to win it all for the next 5 years.

And then you'll have 10x the idiots trying to argue Kobe as the greatest ever. :facepalm

[longtime lurker]

So this whole year of backlash was just over semantics? Shouldn't Kobe want to do this on his own? I mean, as the clear number one, alpha male and all that crap?

Key word it's still KOBE's team. He's not running to go play with Dwight and Paul. If you look at the trade long term it sets the Lakers up for the future, to be honest I don't think Kobe could give two shits if Paul and Howard end up in LA. He knows the current team they have is good enough to get it done with some tweaks.

[crosso√er]

I know I'm talking about the Hedo trade. The trade exception they'd be receiving is only 9 mil. Hedo makes 11 million and I believe the numbers have to be within that 9 million range. So how do they do the trade unless its Bynum, Artest and Walton for Howard and Hedo?

Bynum - 14.9 million
Walton - 5.680 million
TE via Sasha - 5.475
26.055 million

Howard - 18.091
Hedo - 11.015
29,106,000 million

I am pretty sure the salaries are close enough to allow this trade to happen...

[Kurosawa0]

Key word it's still KOBE's team. He's not running to go play with Dwight and Paul. If you look at the trade long term it sets the Lakers up for the future, to be honest I don't think Kobe could give two shits if Paul and Howard end up in LA. He knows the current team they have is good enough to get it done with some tweaks.

Hey, go ahead and make all the excuses. It's fine and doesn't mean you're wrong. It's just that's not the same nuance that was granted in the past. Like I said, hypocrisy.

[2010splash]

yep, Kobe for 10 rings!!!
Yup!!! Kobe the legend!

[Fatal9]

Philly: Jrue Holiday & Evan Turner
:roll:

[longtime lurker]

Bynum - 14.9 million
Walton - 5.680 million
TE via Sasha - 5.475
26.055 million

Howard - 18.091
Hedo - 11.015
29,106,000 million

I am pretty sure the salaries are close enough to allow this trade to happen...

The thing is though from my understanding a trade exception can't be combined with players in a trade. That's where the snag is. I would understand if Lakers pick up Okafor then reroute him to a team that's wiling to deal expiring contracts to Orlando.

[(e)]

No, it's great for the Lakers. It's just after all that's been said over the last year...

I mean, if Wade and LeBron are such losers for needing each other, what does that say about Kobe needing Paul AND Howard. I think that's stupid logic, but that the precedent that's been set.

Kobe has 5 rings, he's proven he doesn't need Paul or Howard.

And this has nothing to do with Kobe Bryant, it's not like he's making the trades. Bron, Wade, and Bosh all teamed up and signed their contracts together.

Completely different if you ask me, although the outcome of a super team is still the same.

[RazorBaLade]

Surprised there isn't as much outrage over Paul and Howard forcing their way to LA, a team that didn't have the cap space to sign either one of them.

This is 10x bigger than LeBron/Wade/Bosh to Miami. When Paul/Howard/Kobe to LAL goes down, they're the favorites to win it all for the next 5 years.

as opposed to the heat who werent the favs for a few yrs after it went down?

[Heavincent]

It's not about the Lakers getting these two guys. It's about how the fans of their team have acted and what they've said about Miami that makes them being okay with this so unbelievably hilarious.

Oh Jesus tap-dancing Christ dude. What is Kobe supposed to say? "No, no, don't get Howard and Paul. I don't want them."

The situation is vastly different from the Heat situation. Kobe didn't leave the Lakers to go form a super-team. Hell, Kobe didn't even ask for these guys. This is just a case of a GM trying to form the best team possible. If you can't see how different this is from the MIA situation, then you're a blind moron and there is nothing I can do for you.

[longtime lurker]

Hey, go ahead and make all the excuses. It's fine and doesn't mean you're wrong. It's just that's not the same nuance that was granted in the past. Like I said, hypocrisy.

It's not hypocrisy. you're comparing two different situations. If you want to criticize Chris Paul and Dwight Howard you're welcome to, but their situations with their current teams are completely hopeless at the moment.

[The Choken One]

And then you'll have 10x the idiots trying to argue Kobe as the greatest ever. :facepalm
If it makes you feel any better...I already think Kobe is GOAT. :pimp:

But seriously... as my last post said. If the Lakers aren't allowed to maximize the pieces they currently have to bring in new pieces that's complete shit.

I also hope Stern steps down / is removed. Dood is a clown.

[Kurosawa0]

Kobe has 5 rings, he's proven he doesn't need Paul or Howard.

And this has nothing to do with Kobe Bryant, it's not like he's making the trades. Bron, Wade, and Bosh all teamed up and signed their contracts together.

Completely different if you ask me, although the outcome of a super team is still the same.

We'll make Kobe the Wade in this scenario. I mean, LeBron in Cleveland won as many rings as Paul & Howard have. Paul and Howard are the ones admitting they can't get it done on their own and need help after all.

Which one do we label as Scottie Pippen, mentally weak and a choker? I'm thinking Dwight Howard. That'll leave everyone to make the homophobic jokes about Chris Paul.

[sagr32]

Even if Paul and Howard do come and they win multiple rings Kobe's legacy is set. How will it prove he NEEDS Paul and Howard when he has won it multiple times with two completely different rosters? Now of course Howard and Paul will probably be more of a reason that they would win those titles than Kobe would be. But it only enhances his legacy. If they do win more it probably just pushes Kobe to be certainly ahead of players like Duncan and Hakeem instead of the arguable level it is at now.

[RRR3]

Look, I admit I've been trolling some of you Lakers fans and I'm sorry I shouldn't be so immature. But even me being objective has some (newfound) respect for Stern for this move. He backed up what he said about trying to keep things fair for smaller market teams and avoid superteams. Since the NBA owns the Hornets, he can do so. CP3/D12/Kobe would be insane. If you're wondering why Stern didn't block LBJ/Wade/Bosh, it's because they were free agents and not with a team the NBA owned.

[rs98762001]

So this whole year of backlash was just over semantics? Shouldn't Kobe want to do this on his own? I mean, as the clear number one, alpha male and all that crap?
Kobe is 33 years old. He's already won two titles as the clear number one, and three as the clear number two. LeBron, Wade and Bosh are in the primes of their career and have won only one ring between the three of them. So how is this a fair comparison?

[Heavincent]

We'll make Kobe the Wade in this scenario. I mean, LeBron in Cleveland won as many rings as Paul & Howard have. Paul and Howard are the ones admitting they can't get it done on their own and need help after all.

Which one do we label as Scottie Pippen, mentally weak and a choker? I'm thinking Dwight Howard. That'll leave everyone to make the homophobic jokes about Chris Paul.

Or maybe you can just admit this situation is way different.

[Troutfisch]

I'm putting my anti-Laker bias aside this time - this was a bad move by Stern & the league to block this trade especially considering Paul will leave on his own soon enough.

With all the negative press regarding the lockout, this blockbuster trade was set to overshadow it and now we have yet another NBA controversy in the news. Smart Stern, smart!

[RRR3]

I would love this. Push Dwight to the Western Conference. Love it.


Then we'll have Heat/Lakers Finals for the next 8 years in a row at least......just to piss off small market teams.


Hey Cleveland, how u?
fixed.

[EMERE]

And then you'll have 10x the idiots trying to argue Kobe as the greatest ever. :facepalmThis whole post pretty much informed me what kind of poster you are. The Lakers do not revolve around Bryant, Bryant already showed that he is a legendary player, this is about the actual team mind I tell you.

[chazzy]

Look, I admit I've been trolling some of you Lakers fans and I'm sorry I shouldn't be so immature. But even me being objective has some (newfound) respect for Stern for this move. He backed up what he said about trying to keep things fair for smaller market teams and avoid superteams. Since the NBA owns the Hornets, he can do so. CP3/D12/Kobe would be insane. If you're wondering why Stern didn't block LBJ/Wade/Bosh, it's because they were free agents and not with a team the NBA owned.
His 'official' reasoning is that it's not in the best interest for the Hornets basketball-wise. If in fact it was because the owners didn't want another superteam forming then that is no grounds to veto a trade.. conflict of interest.

[Kurosawa0]

Kobe is 33 years old. He's already won two titles as the clear number one, and three as the clear number two. LeBron, Wade and Bosh are in the primes of their career and have won only one ring between the three of them. So how is this a fair comparison?

So teaming up with two of the best players in their prime is fine, just as long as it's not 3 damn it! :oldlol:

I'm sorry, but this is just too funny after EVERYTHING that has been said over the last year. Oh my God... :roll:

[(e)]

We'll make Kobe the Wade in this scenario. I mean, LeBron in Cleveland won as many rings as Paul & Howard have. Paul and Howard are the ones admitting they can't get it done on their own and need help after all.

Which one do we label as Scottie Pippen, mentally weak and a choker? I'm thinking Dwight Howard. That'll leave everyone to make the homophobic jokes about Chris Paul.

Kobe didn't recruit anyone, so he's not like Wade.

You're trying to call this situation something that it isn't.

This is situation is in place purely because the Lakers are trying to improve their team through trades per what their GM wants to do with their team. It just so happens that the Lakers have some pieces that make both of these trades possible to pull off. Kobe isn't doing anything to make these trades happen.

If you want to criticize anyone at all, point your finger at Paul and/or Howard. They're the ones who want to leave their teams; although I can't really blame them. They want to win, and they have no chance with their respective teams.

[RRR3]

Oh, and really guys? :facepalm

(Some, not all mind you, SOME) Lakers fans: "LeBron plays with Wade and Bosh! It's not fair!!!!"

Those same group of Lakers fans: "WOOO! Let's get Dwight Howard, Chris Paul and David West to play with Kobe! WOOOO!"



:facepalm

[RazorBaLade]

Look, I admit I've been trolling some of you Lakers fans and I'm sorry I shouldn't be so immature. But even me being objective has some (newfound) respect for Stern for this move. He backed up what he said about trying to keep things fair for smaller market teams and avoid superteams. Since the NBA owns the Hornets, he can do so. CP3/D12/Kobe would be insane. If you're wondering why Stern didn't block LBJ/Wade/Bosh, it's because they were free agents and not with a team the NBA owned.

So you're admitting that the league is turning down a solid offer just because the owners of the other teams which have a stake in the Hornets don't want the Lakers to get better?

Conflict of interest; 3rd party must decide. That 3rd party is the GM. Trade must be allowed.

[Kurosawa0]

This whole post pretty much informed me what kind of poster you are. The Lakers do not revolve around Bryant, Bryant already showed that he is a legendary player, this is about the actual team mind I tell you.

So you're disagreeing that we won't see a million kids out there trying to say that Kobe is better than MJ, Kareem, Bird, Magic etc. if he gets 7 rings? They'll be "Well, Kobe is a great player and all, but this was really about the team I tell you."

Come on...

[KingBeasley08]

Oh, and really guys? :facepalm

(Some, not all mind you, SOME) Lakers fans: "LeBron plays with Wade and Bosh! It's not fair!!!!"

Those same group of Lakers fans: "WOOO! Let's get Dwight Howard, Chris Paul and David West to play with Kobe! WOOOO!"



:facepalm
agree with this. i remember after the ecfs there were a bunch of posters going "booo superteam bs isnt fair"

[longtime lurker]

So you're admitting that the league is turning down a solid offer just because the owners of the other teams which have a stake in the Hornets don't want the Lakers to get better?

Conflict of interest; 3rd party must decide. That 3rd party is the GM. Trade must be allowed.

Exactly. It's collusion

[Glide2keva]

Oh, and really guys? :facepalm

(Some, not all mind you, SOME) Lakers fans: "LeBron plays with Wade and Bosh! It's not fair!!!!"

Those same group of Lakers fans: "WOOO! Let's get Dwight Howard, Chris Paul and David West to play with Kobe! WOOOO!"



:facepalm
That's lakers fans for you, nothing is a good deal unless it favors them.

[Apocalyptic0n3]

If this happens, the Magic and Hornets will have supplied the Lakers with a Superstar center and guard, respectively, for the second time to build a dynasty

[RazorBaLade]

Oh, and really guys? :facepalm

(Some, not all mind you, SOME) Lakers fans: "LeBron plays with Wade and Bosh! It's not fair!!!!"

Those same group of Lakers fans: "WOOO! Let's get Dwight Howard, Chris Paul and David West to play with Kobe! WOOOO!"



:facepalm

I'd like to reply to another form of this again.

I don't think its fair to make superteams. but its legal. there is a difference.

[Kurosawa0]

Kobe didn't recruit anyone, so he's not like Wade.

You're trying to call this situation something that it isn't.

This is situation is in place purely because the Lakers are trying to improve their team through trades per what their GM wants to do with their team. It just so happens that the Lakers have some pieces that make both of these trades possible to pull off. Kobe isn't doing anything to make these trades happen.

If you want to criticize anyone at all, point your finger at Paul and/or Howard. They're the ones who want to leave their teams; although I can't really blame them. They want to win, and they have no chance with their respective teams.

I'm not saying that it's wrong, but after all of the stupid and nonsensical shit that has been said over and over the last year, this is just peachy keen? Just fine?

Like I said, No. Bigger. Hypocrisy. EVER!

[christian1923]

Oh, and really guys? :facepalm

(Some, not all mind you, SOME) Lakers fans: "LeBron plays with Wade and Bosh! It's not fair!!!!"

Those same group of Lakers fans: "WOOO! Let's get Dwight Howard, Chris Paul and David West to play with Kobe! WOOOO!"



:facepalm
Kobes already proved he can win championships though.. he needs more help kobe getting old !

[Heavincent]

Look, I admit I've been trolling some of you Lakers fans and I'm sorry I shouldn't be so immature. But even me being objective has some (newfound) respect for Stern for this move. He backed up what he said about trying to keep things fair for smaller market teams and avoid superteams. Since the NBA owns the Hornets, he can do so. CP3/D12/Kobe would be insane. If you're wondering why Stern didn't block LBJ/Wade/Bosh, it's because they were free agents and not with a team the NBA owned.

The thing that most people seem to forget it that this screws over the Hornets more than anybody. Lets face it: Paul is not coming back to NO next year. So Paul will leave via Free Agency and the Hornets will just be left with a bag of shit in their hands. With the trade, they could have at least gotten a few players out of it.

And I'm sorry, but the "you can't make this trade because I said so" is just BS. Stupid move from Stern. A lot of NBA fans are upset right now.

[RRR3]

Chris Broussard just tweeted:

@Chris_Broussard: "My sources have revealed that Mitch Kupchak has paid some foreign scientists, possibly from Japan, to develop a time machine. Expect the Lakers to sign prime Michael Jordan, prime Wilt Chamberlain, Prime Bill Russell, Prime Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Prime Magic Johnson, Prime Larry Bird, Prime Shaquille O'Neal, and Prime Jerry West. Phil Jackson rumored to be interested in coming out of retirement to coach this team."

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Chris Broussard just tweeted:

@Chris_Broussard: "My sources have revealed that Mitch Kupchak has paid some foreign scientists, possibly from Japan, to develop a time machine. Expect the Lakers to sign prime Michael Jordan, prime Wilt Chamberlain, Prime Bill Russell, Prime Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Prime Magic Johnson, Prime Larry Bird, Prime Shaquille O'Neal, and Prime Jerry West. Phil Jackson rumored to be interested in coming out of retirement to coach this team."
is this real? :eek:

[Kurosawa0]

I'd like to reply to another form of this again.

I don't think its fair to make superteams. but its legal. there is a difference.

I'm not even saying it's not fair. I also understand why the owners want to block it.

I just find it unimaginable that after everything this is supposed to be understood and all the players lovingly respected. Seriously, there were people on here who thought it was okay for fans to make sexual comments to LeBron about his mom!

It's too good. :roll:

[KingBeasley08]

is this real? :eek:
no they're also recruiting randy moss and brett favre outta retirement and are borrowing pujols from the angels

[ballsohard247]

The proposed Laker big three is more like the Celtics big three. Kobe being Pierce. Howard and Paul would have been acquired in the same way KG and Allen were. Through trades. LeBron and Bosh joined Wade through free agency. There is a difference.

[RazorBaLade]

I'm not even saying it's not fair. I also understand why the owners want to block it.

I just find it unimaginable that after everything this is supposed to be understood and all the players lovingly respected. Seriously, there were people on here who thought it was okay for fans to make sexual comments to LeBron about his mom!

It's too good. :roll:

I understand why the owners want to block it. I don't understand how they CAN. Do you? I feel what you're sayin tho. But srsly is this the WWE? 3 teams have agreed on a trade, and ****ing mark cuban gets to say No.

What the ****?

[chazzy]

Shit just got real...

vonwafer13 von wafer
Superman don't leave bro I jus got here

[KDthunderup]

NBA please block this shit from happening

[RazorBaLade]

NBA please block this shit from happening

You are pathetic lol

[ballsohard247]

Chris Broussard just tweeted:

@Chris_Broussard: "My sources have revealed that Mitch Kupchak has paid some foreign scientists, possibly from Japan, to develop a time machine. Expect the Lakers to sign prime Michael Jordan, prime Wilt Chamberlain, Prime Bill Russell, Prime Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Prime Magic Johnson, Prime Larry Bird, Prime Shaquille O'Neal, and Prime Jerry West. Phil Jackson rumored to be interested in coming out of retirement to coach this team."
Link? :lol

[KDthunderup]

You are pathetic lol
Laker fan? no doubt.

[Clippersfan86]

BS. Like I said before Lakers front office must have some serious dirt on these other teams. CP3 trade is fine. Howard trade for Bynum+trash? FU** NO! I hope Stern puts his foot down. Let Lakers do CP3 trade if other teams sweeten pot but block any Dwight trade to Lakers. If he wants to join up with his buddies do it in free agency you prick.

[kenny817]

Shit just got real...

vonwafer13 von wafer
Superman don't leave bro I jus got here
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[RazorBaLade]

Laker fan? no doubt.

NBA fan. Stern doesn't get to block trades. You stole a team and now you don't want other teams to get better via legit trades?

Kill yourself.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

no they're also recruiting randy moss and brett favre outta retirement and are borrowing pujols from the angels
only thing i don't understand is how jordan can own the bobcats and play for the LA Lakers?

[LA_Showtime]

BS. Like I said before Lakers front office must have some serious dirt on these other teams. CP3 trade is fine. Howard trade for Bynum+trash? FU** NO! I hope Stern puts his foot down. Let Lakers do CP3 trade if other teams sweeten pot but block any Dwight trade to Lakers. If he wants to join up with his buddies do it in free agency you prick.

So I guess you're dropping that whole, "Dwight is awesome and Cp3 sucks because Dwight asked politely" line. Hilarious. :roll:

[chazzy]

BS. Like I said before Lakers front office must have some serious dirt on these other teams. CP3 trade is fine. Howard trade for Bynum+trash? FU** NO! I hope Stern puts his foot down. Let Lakers do CP3 trade if other teams sweeten pot but block any Dwight trade to Lakers. If he wants to join up with his buddies do it in free agency you prick.
Only other viable option right now is Lopez+picks. Not much of a gap between the two offers. Either way you replace your star with another young talent with upside at the position, while also unloading Turks shiity contract.

[Kurosawa0]

I understand why the owners want to block it. I don't understand how they CAN. Do you? I feel what you're sayin tho. But srsly is this the WWE? 3 teams have agreed on a trade, and ****ing mark cuban gets to say No.

What the ****?

Is it really so hard to understand the Hornets are owned by the other owners? That's how they can do this. If Mitch wanted to do this trade, but Jerry Buss intervened, there would be no question of how that happened.

It's a bad situation and the team needs to be sold, but it's the reality of the matter.

[PowerGlove]

What the f*ck.

[Clippersfan86]

So I guess you're dropping that whole, "Dwight is awesome and Cp3 sucks because Dwight asked politely" line. Hilarious. :roll:

If he's really making a handshake agreement with CP3 to join up in LA of course I am. Never know which rumors to trust. I'm going to hold him to the same standard I held CP3 to.

[Kurosawa0]

Stern doesn't get to block trades.

Apparently, he does. :oldlol:

[LA_Showtime]

Look, I still don't think the Lakers have a realistic shot at Howard AND Cp3. That's just crazy. Even with all the reports I can't wrap my head around a scenario where we get both guys... I mean Howard is easily the best center in the NBA and Cp3's arguably the best point guard. Absolutely ridiculous. But if they do, I'll totally understand why the small market teams throw a fit. It's just not right to be able to do that, especially since the lockout was all about fixing parity.

Then again... the only small market teams who are even attempting to go after these guys are the Nets, and they aren't even small market really. I don't see any other teams ponying up trade offers, and they sure as hell won't risk their own star players leaving for nothing. This power struggle will always favor the players until an owner stands up and the player sacrifices millions.

[Clippersfan86]

Only other viable option right now is Lopez+picks. Not much of a gap between the two offers. Either way you replace your star with another young talent with upside at the position, while also unloading Turks shiity contract.

Why is that? I'm willing to bet at least 15 NBA teams can and would offer more than Bynum+Walton and help take Turk.

[LA_Showtime]

If he's really making a handshake agreement with CP3 to join up in LA of course I am. Never know which rumors to trust. I'm going to hold him to the same standard I held CP3 to.

You're such a hypocrite it's really kind of sad dude. You wrote in another thread you thought it was fine that he wanted to go to New Jersey. You definitely wouldn't be complaining Cp3 and Howard wanted to play for the Clippers.

[chazzy]

Why is that? I'm willing to bet at least 15 NBA teams can and would offer more than Bynum+Walton and help take Turk.
Without any assurance of Dwight staying? There's a reason why only the Nets offer has been discussed as a rumor

[Clippersfan86]

Look, I still don't think the Lakers have a realistic shot at Howard AND Cp3. That's just crazy. Even with all the reports I can't wrap my head around a scenario where we get both guys... I mean Howard is easily the best center in the NBA and Cp3's arguably the best point guard. Absolutely ridiculous. But if they do, I'll totally understand why the small market teams throw a fit. It's just not right to be able to do that, especially since the lockout was all about fixing parity.

Then again... the only small market teams who are even attempting to go after these guys are the Nets, and they aren't even small market really. I don't see any other teams ponying up trade offers, and they sure as hell won't risk their own star players leaving for nothing. This power struggle will always favor the players until an owner stands up and the player sacrifices millions.

Very fair post. I honestly wouldn't be surprised dude.... Your front office has a way of as* raping teams. Even non Lakers fans suspected you would get Dwight too. I don't mind if Lakers get one of them... to be able to get both with their older players though is BS. I understand Gasol+Bynum are good players but CP3+Dwight are both top 5 players and MVP level players.

[PowerGlove]

There can be no greater hypocrisy in the history of this league than if Laker fans expect people to think Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard teaming up is just fine.
truth.com

[KDthunderup]

NBA fan. Stern doesn't get to block trades. You stole a team and now you don't want other teams to get better via legit trades?

Kill yourself.
Other words, cry baby LA fan :oldlol:

[RazorBaLade]

Is it really so hard to understand the Hornets are owned by the other owners? That's how they can do this. If Mitch wanted to do this trade, but Jerry Buss intervened, there would be no question of how that happened.

It's a bad situation and the team needs to be sold, but it's the reality of the matter.

CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

It is like pirates in that movie trying to vote for the pirate leader. Pirates vote for themselves, so everyone votes for themselves. What you have here is a team like Dallas, that gets to decide whether or not the Lakers gets better.

It's completely incorrect and obviously illegal if everyone is making such a big deal about it. Stern is right now looking for a loophole, what he did with basketball reasons is NOT giong to stand up in court.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Shit just got real...

vonwafer13 von wafer
Superman don't leave bro I jus got here

:roll:

[Clippersfan86]

You're such a hypocrite it's really kind of sad dude. You wrote in another thread you thought it was fine that he wanted to go to New Jersey. You definitely wouldn't be complaining Cp3 and Howard wanted to play for the Clippers.

:facepalm . Actually you can see a consistency in my posting. I complained because I felt CP3 planned this out and was behind the scenes pigeon holing NO. Now it's reported Dwight did the same thing and I change my opinion and turn on him as well. That's because as I said before I hate that kind of sh**. I would act like this towards any player, going to any team.

Of course it's amplified when they are going to form a dynasty in the same conference as my team. Why wouldn't it? As it has already been said.. ask yourself this. Do you think Gasol+Odom+Bynum are anywhere near worth CP3+Dwight? The owners clearly don't think they are. Neither did the fans complaining about it.

[SourGrapes]

Why is that? I'm willing to bet at least 15 NBA teams can and would offer more than Bynum+Walton and help take Turk.

Not that many teams in the league have a player as useful with upside as Bynum. At least say things that are reasonable

[PowerGlove]

Not that many teams in the league have a player as useful with upside as Bynum. At least say things that are reasonable
seriously???

[SourGrapes]

seriously???

Seriously

[RRR3]

Seriously
http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/2/18/129109951449279797.jpg

[Clippersfan86]

Not that many teams in the league have a player as useful with upside as Bynum. At least say things that are reasonable

Again this comes down to Lakers fans overrating Bynum. It's time to be realistic. This guy is a fuc*ing 6 year vet now. 11 ppg, 9 rpg, 2 bpg. In any other era this guy wouldn't make a starting line up as a center yet Lakers fans act like he's a star. He will likely never make an all star team nor is his value anywhere near Dwight now or ever.

Let it go. Bynum isn't that valuable. Especially with his contract.

[chazzy]

yourself this. Do you think Gasol+Odom+Bynum are anywhere near worth CP3+Dwight?
You're never gonna get equal value in a superstar trade, ESPECIALLY when teams are actively shopping them to get some talent back in return before the leave. And especially when teams have no assurance that they will stay with them beyond this season. It's the reason why the Clippers and Warriors refused to include Gordon and Curry in their offers.


He will likely never make an all star team nor is his value anywhere near Dwight now or ever.
Starting West C this season if he stays in LA.

[Kurosawa0]

CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

It is like pirates in that movie trying to vote for the pirate leader. Pirates vote for themselves, so everyone votes for themselves. What you have here is a team like Dallas, that gets to decide whether or not the Lakers gets better.

It's completely incorrect and obviously illegal if everyone is making such a big deal about it. Stern is right now looking for a loophole, what he did with basketball reasons is NOT giong to stand up in court.

So do we go back and void the Carl Landry trade then too? If this was really taken to court (Paul and Co would lose. All the owners would have to say is that they didn't want to do the deal for financial reasons) and then the owners would just contract the team.

[SourGrapes]

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/2/18/129109951449279797.jpg

Will not acknowledge you in future discussions

[RRR3]

Will not acknowledge you in future discussions
Sour grapes. How fitting.

[SourGrapes]

Again this comes down to Lakers fans overrating Bynum. It's time to be realistic. This guy is a fuc*ing 6 year vet now. 11 ppg, 9 rpg, 2 bpg. In any other era this guy wouldn't make a starting line up as a center yet Lakers fans act like he's a star. He will likely never make an all star team nor is his value anywhere near Dwight now or ever.

Let it go. Bynum isn't that valuable. Especially with his contract.

Idiot. His contract has a team option. It's one of the most valuable things about him. Besides his defense, youth, and back to the basket game

[LA_Showtime]

:facepalm . Actually you can see a consistency in my posting. I complained because I felt CP3 planned this out and was behind the scenes pigeon holing NO. Now it's reported Dwight did the same thing and I change my opinion and turn on him as well. That's because as I said before I hate that kind of sh**. I would act like this towards any player, going to any team.

Of course it's amplified when they are going to form a dynasty in the same conference as my team. Why wouldn't it? As it has already been said.. ask yourself this. Do you think Gasol+Odom+Bynum are anywhere near worth CP3+Dwight? The owners clearly don't think they are. Neither did the fans complaining about it.

Gasol, Odom, and Bynum's worth is dictated by the market, and if other NBA owners think that's worth Cp3 and Howard then I don't know what to say.

I personally think Bynum's the best Orlando can do, but that's because I think Lopez is overrated and so are those 1st round picks. Bynum's ceiling is really high and I'd actually like to keep the guy around if his health was guaranteed. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see the guy blossom into a perennial all-star if he was traded just as it wouldn't surprise me to see him get injured walking his dog.

[SourGrapes]

Someone in this thread thinks he's clever. Whoops

[RazorBaLade]

So do we go back and void the Carl Landry trade then too? If this was really taken to court (Paul and Co would lose. All the owners would have to say is that they didn't want to do the deal for financial reasons) and then the owners would just contract the team.

What does financial reasons mean? The owners hired a GM that served as a 3rd party and he found a deal he deemed satisfactory.

It's still an issue if they do it because they weren't saving enough money or whatever. It's still the owners of the Mavs, Knicks, Spurs and Heat deciding whether or not the lakers get better.

[ballsohard247]

Sour grapes. How fitting.
I laughed.

[RRR3]

I laughed.
http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2009/10/21/129006477350156905.jpg

[Clippersfan86]

Gasol, Odom, and Bynum's worth is dictated by the market, and if other NBA owners think that's worth Cp3 and Howard then I don't know what to say.

I personally think Bynum's the best Orlando can do, but that's because I think Lopez is overrated and so are those 1st round picks. Bynum's ceiling is really high and I'd actually like to keep the guy around if his health was guaranteed. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see the guy blossom into a perennial all-star if he was traded just as it wouldn't surprise me to see him get injured walking his dog.

I disagree. Lopez is cheaper, has played every single game in his 3 year career AND has just as much upside if not more. Sure Bynum is superior on the boards and defensively... but Lopez is twice the scorer Bynum is. Not to mention.... Bynum has an ego problem. How many 11 ppg players want to be "The man"????? If I'm Orlando I take Lopez before I take Bynum. Not to mention at least 50 other players in the NBA.

You don't see the humor in Lakers fans claiming Bynum has franchise player/ perennial all star potential? He's going into his 7th season. Sure he came in young... but stars don't wait 7 years to blossom. Bynum won't become a perennial all star.

[RRR3]

Someone in this thread knows he's clever. Whoo!
Fixed. :cheers:

[chazzy]

Yeah the key in a Bynum deal is that he expires this summer and they have a team option. So if they like him.. they can give him an extension. If they're not sure yet, they can just take his team option and wait another year. And if he doesn't perform to their liking, they can let him become a FA. So there's flexibility involved.

[RazorBaLade]

someone just said lopez has as much upside as bynum

im done guys

[KOBEtherealKing]

Why is it so hard for lakers to get both? Kg and allen did it first. I didn't think it would happen. I didn't think lebron would join wade, I thought wade would join him.

[ballsohard247]

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2009/10/21/129006477350156905.jpg
Siriusly.

[LA_Showtime]

I disagree. Lopez is cheaper, has played every single game in his 3 year career AND has just as much upside if not more. Sure Bynum is superior on the boards and defensively... but Lopez is twice the scorer Bynum is. Not to mention.... Bynum has an ego problem. How many 11 ppg players want to be "The man"????? If I'm Orlando I take Lopez before I take Bynum. Not to mention at least 50 other players in the NBA.

Bynum's never said he wanted to be the man so I don't know why you're holding that against him. At the end of the season he told the media he wanted to be more involved offensively, and you can't really blame him for that since he's literally the only guy who showed up to play against Dallas.

I know you haven't watched him as much as I have, but the kid is a gamer. Yes, he's somewhat immature and will probably never reach his potential because of injuries, but I've seen that "IT" factor several teams and like I said earlier I'd love to keep him around if he could just stay healthy.

[IGOTGAME]

I disagree. Lopez is cheaper, has played every single game in his 3 year career AND has just as much upside if not more. Sure Bynum is superior on the boards and defensively... but Lopez is twice the scorer Bynum is. Not to mention.... Bynum has an ego problem. How many 11 ppg players want to be "The man"????? If I'm Orlando I take Lopez before I take Bynum. Not to mention at least 50 other players in the NBA.

as someone who has seen Lopez play several times in person. This is just not the case. Lopez doesn't have that much upside. He benefits a lot based on how bad the Nets are. They are often forced to go through him because the team was inept for so long. Often times he just can't even manage to get a shot up. Bynum has more upside as far as scoring, defense and rebounding.

[Clippersfan86]

someone just said lopez has as much upside as bynum

im done guys

Lopez in 3 years has become a 20+ ppg, 6 rpg, 1.5 apg and 1.5 bpg player... compared to Bynum who in his 6 seasons has become an 11 ppg, 9 rpg, 2 bpg player. I think you're underrating Lopez. Sure he's not as traditional at the 5 as Bynum... but you guys act like Bynum is a rookie waiting to blossom :oldlol: .

[chazzy]

And Bynum is not an 11ppg scorer when healthy and on his own team. It's disingenuous to suggest that's his scoring capability. That's what he put up while consciously taking a step back offensively to focus on his defense and rebounding, while playing alongside Kobe Pau and Odom. When Pau goes down his scoring goes up dramatically, and beyond stats he's proven to have a capable scoring skillset on the lowblock.

[Kurosawa0]

What does financial reasons mean? The owners hired a GM that served as a 3rd party and he found a deal he deemed satisfactory.

It's still an issue if they do it because they weren't saving enough money or whatever. It's still the owners of the Mavs, Knicks, Spurs and Heat deciding whether or not the lakers get better.

They didn't want to take on any extra salary. They could simply say that they felt losing an all-star player and not getting one in return was damaging to their investment. Do you really think someone can argue is court against that? That Chris Paul's lawyer would win with "Well, Luis Scola and Kevin Martin are actually really good."

Simply put, the NBA owners decided they didn't want to lose an asset. THEY OWN THE TEAM. It's their money and their investment. Saying that they just don't want the Lakers to get better isn't going to work in a court of law.

It's not like a contract was signed and it's been gone back on. They just pulled out on a discussed deal. That's not illegal for an owner to do.

[PowerGlove]

Hawks can offer Horford/Pachuila/Hinrich for Howard/Duhon/Orton... I dont if we can throw some picks in there as well but that sounds better than Bynum and some cold rice or whatever the hell they are offering


And Bynum is not an 11ppg scorer when healthy and on his own team. It's disingenuous to suggest that's his scoring capability. That's what he put up while consciously taking a step back offensively to focus on his defense and rebounding.

when healthy
when healthy
when healthy
when healthy
when healthy
when healthy

[SourGrapes]

I disagree. Lopez is cheaper, has played every single game in his 3 year career AND has just as much upside if not more. Sure Bynum is superior on the boards and defensively... but Lopez is twice the scorer Bynum is. Not to mention.... Bynum has an ego problem. How many 11 ppg players want to be "The man"????? If I'm Orlando I take Lopez before I take Bynum. Not to mention at least 50 other players in the NBA.

You don't see the humor in Lakers fans claiming Bynum has franchise player/ perennial all star potential? He's going into his 7th season. Sure he came in young... but stars don't wait 7 years to blossom. Bynum won't become a perennial all star.

Lopez is not twice the scorer Bynum is. And if Bynum has an ego problem, it certainly hasn't stopped him from being a key player on two consecutive championship teams

Nice try though

[Blue&Orange]

No kidding. Lakers wouldn't trade 60% of a championship front court if there wasn't. I think this trade is going to get done, people will just have to accept it.
What championship front court? Last time i checked it was a swept front court.

[Clippersfan86]

as someone who has seen Lopez play several times in person. This is just not the case. Lopez doesn't have that much upside. He benefits a lot based on how bad the Nets are. They are often forced to go through him because the team was inept for so long. Often times he just can't even manage to get a shot up. Bynum has more upside as far as scoring, defense and rebounding.

You've seen him several times? Oh man... better change my opinion right away!

[KOBEtherealKing]

Can cp3 dunk?

[RRR3]

Siriusly.
http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/2/26/129117155665072617.jpg

[ballsohard247]

Lopez in 3 years has become a 20+ ppg, 6 rpg, 1.5 apg and 1.5 bpg player... compared to Bynum who in his 6 seasons has become an 11 ppg, 9 rpg, 2 bpg player. I think you're underrating Lopez. Sure he's not as traditional at the 5 as Bynum... but you guys act like Bynum is a rookie waiting to blossom :oldlol: .
This.

[RRR3]

Can cp3 dunk?
Are you kidding? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDjzvJYWtoc

[SourGrapes]

Hawks can offer Horford/Pachuila/Hinrich for Howard/Duhon/Orton... I dont if we can throw some picks in there as well but that sounds better than Bynum and some cold rice or whatever the hell they are offering

Absolutely debatable. I disagree with you

[Clippersfan86]

And Bynum is not an 11ppg scorer when healthy and on his own team. It's disingenuous to suggest that's his scoring capability. That's what he put up while consciously taking a step back offensively to focus on his defense and rebounding.

Yea definitely. He can be a 15 ppg scorer. Still not the star you guys make him out to be. Bynum+Odom wouldn't even be a good deal for Dwight and you guys likely will give Bynum+Walton or something ridiculous like that to get it done.

[LA_Showtime]

Lopez in 3 years has become a 20+ ppg, 6 rpg, 1.5 apg and 1.5 bpg player... compared to Bynum who in his 6 seasons has become an 11 ppg, 9 rpg, 2 bpg player. I think you're underrating Lopez. Sure he's not as traditional at the 5 as Bynum... but you guys act like Bynum is a rookie waiting to blossom :oldlol: .

Yeah you clearly haven't watched Bynum. Hell, go watch last season's playoffs. :oldlol:

[KOBEtherealKing]

Hawks can offer Horford/Pachuila/Hinrich for Howard/Duhon/Orton... I dont if we can throw some picks in there as well but that sounds better than Bynum and some cold rice or whatever the hell they are offering
They want to get rid of hedos contract. And that's a terrible trade.

[Clippersfan86]

This.

Yea... it's not far from Bynum's scoring average of 11 ppg :oldlol: . OMG Bynum is a star! If he played in the 70's, 80's or 90's Bynum wouldn't be a starter.

[SourGrapes]

Yea definitely. He can be a 15 ppg scorer. Still not the star you guys make him out to be. Bynum+Odom wouldn't even be a good deal for Dwight and you guys likely will give Bynum+Walton or something ridiculous like that to get it done.

He could be a 20 point scorer. Has the moves, strength, touch, and efficiency

[chazzy]

Yea definitely. He can be a 15 ppg scorer. Still not the star you guys make him out to be. Bynum+Odom wouldn't even be a good deal for Dwight and you guys likely will give Bynum+Walton or something ridiculous like that to get it done.
Give me a good deal from a team willing to take the gamble that he won't resign, while also taking back Hedo's monstrous contract. I just don't see that many teams being a desirable option for Dwight and the rest of the league knows that.

[Clippersfan86]

They want to get rid of hedos contract. And that's a terrible trade.

I'd take Horford over Bynum. Not to mention Hinrich is a nice pick up. Even if Horford is equal or slightly worse than Bynum to Lakers fans.. the additional pieces like Hinrich+picks> anything Lakers would give.

[crosso√er]

Yea definitely. He can be a 15 ppg scorer. Still not the star you guys make him out to be. Bynum+Odom wouldn't even be a good deal for Dwight and you guys likely will give Bynum+Walton or something ridiculous like that to get it done.

Do you honestly think Lopez would average more then 11 PPG playing along side Gasol & Odom plus Kobe? Because I am pretty sure you just made a bold statement, claiming Lopez is a "much" better scorer then Bynum.

Bynum in 08' before Gasol came was averaging 17/14/3 on 64% in a stretch of twenty games. Injuries and playing on a stacked team definitely hurts his chances of demonstrating how good he really is.

[SourGrapes]

Yea... it's not far from Bynum's scoring average of 11 ppg :oldlol: . OMG Bynum is a star! If he played in the 70's, 80's or 90's Bynum wouldn't be a starter.

No one is saying he's a star ATM. You are getting desperate

[LA_Showtime]

Yea... it's not far from Bynum's scoring average of 11 ppg :oldlol: . OMG Bynum is a star! If he played in the 70's, 80's or 90's Bynum wouldn't be a starter.

He would if he stayed healthy. It's so annoying when someone comments on a player they've clearly NEVER watched... I'm not saying he's the next coming of Shaq, but the kid has potential and has showed he's a gamer. He's definitely the Magic's best option if he stays healthy, which is obviously not guaranteed.

[crosso√er]

I'd take Horford over Bynum. Not to mention Hinrich is a nice pick up. Even if Horford is equal or slightly worse than Bynum to Lakers fans.. the additional pieces like Hinrich+picks> anything Lakers would give.

You'll probably take Kaman and DeAndre Jordan over Bynum too, please just shut up. You have no idea what you're talking about.

[Clippersfan86]

Give me a good deal from a team willing to take the gamble that he won't resign, while also taking back Hedo's monstrous contract. I just don't see that many teams being a desirable option for Dwight and the rest of the league knows that.

I'm not going to play trade machine. I just know that Bynum+Walton isn't the best deal in the NBA period. There are what 12 teams under cap? Many teams can eat Turk's contract and I'm sure they would if they were getting Dwight.

[PowerGlove]

Absolutely debatable. I disagree with you
it is debatable...im gonna take a second look at what the lakers are offering, i know that when superstars are traded, its never equal so i have to keep that in mind.

[KOBEtherealKing]

Are you kidding? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDjzvJYWtoc
:roll: I was only watching the lakers back in 06 and never paid attention to cp3 so I wasn't sure

[LA_Showtime]

Do you honestly think Lopez would average more then 11 PPG playing along side Gasol & Odom plus Kobe? Because I am pretty sure you just made a bold statement, claiming Lopez is a "much" better scorer then Bynum.

Bynum in 08' before Gasol came was averaging 17/14/3 on 64% in a stretch of twenty games. Injuries and playing on a stacked team definitely hurts his chances of demonstrating how good he really is.

He should just watch the playoffs. Bynum looked like our best player in the Mavs' series.

I question the kid's attitude, but he's a gamer, period. Do you remember a couple years ago when the Lakers played the Magic in the Finals? Bynum was on one knee and was mostly invisible throughout the series, but that first game he arguably outplayed Howard. He's shown flashes of being very, very good but because of injuries he hasn't put it all together.

[Clippersfan86]

No one is saying he's a star ATM. You are getting desperate

If you're saying Bynum+Walton is best Orlando can do.. you're either in denial or saying he's a star. When you start saying he's better than Horford who's a good all around center and all star last season... you're calling Bynum a star.

[ballsohard247]

Yea... it's not far from Bynum's scoring average of 11 ppg :oldlol: . OMG Bynum is a star! If he played in the 70's, 80's or 90's Bynum wouldn't be a starter.
Lopez and Bynum are close IMO only because of Bynum's injury problems, but Lopez is going down in rebounds every year. A 7 footer getting 6 rebounds a game is dumbfounding. I'd rather have a 11 ppg guy who can block shots and grab boards. Things big guys are supposed to do.

[crosso√er]

I'm not going to play trade machine. I just know that Bynum+Walton isn't the best deal in the NBA period. There are what 12 teams under cap? Many teams can eat Turk's contract and I'm sure they would if they were getting Dwight.

:facepalm Dwight will probably not re-sign with those teams, why would they offer a better deal to Orlando?

[chazzy]

I'm not going to play trade machine. I just know that Bynum+Walton isn't the best deal in the NBA period. There are what 12 teams under cap? Many teams can eat Turk's contract and I'm sure they would if they were getting Dwight.
And how many of those teams actually think they have a serious shot at extending Dwight? If he doesn't (which is a high chance with most teams) they would lose whatever assets they traded for Dwight while ALSO being stuck with Hedo's contract. That's a big gamble for a team with no assurance.

[Duncan21formvp]

This is why the trade absolutely can't go through. Stern taking one for the fans :applause:


I think it's clear Howard wants to play with either Deron or Paul.
Why not Rose?

[crosso√er]

He should just watch the playoffs. Bynum looked like our best player in the Mavs' series.

I question the kid's attitude, but he's a gamer, period. Do you remember a couple years ago when the Lakers played the Magic in the Finals? Bynum was on one knee and was mostly invisible throughout the series, but that first game he arguably outplayed Howard. He's shown flashes of being very, very good but because of injuries he hasn't put it all together.

I remember when he blocked Dwight like 6/7 times in a game and completely shut him down.

[KOBEtherealKing]

I'd take Horford over Bynum. Not to mention Hinrich is a nice pick up. Even if Horford is equal or slightly worse than Bynum to Lakers fans.. the additional pieces like Hinrich+picks> anything Lakers would give.
:roll: who's in atl that dwight would consider playing with? Teague? Johnson?

[Clippersfan86]

Lopez and Bynum are close IMO only because of Bynum's injury problems, but Lopez is going down in rebounds every year. A 7 footer getting 6 rebounds a game is dumbfounding. I'd rather have a 11 ppg guy who can block shots and grab boards. Things big guys are supposed to do.

I agree Bynum is a higher impact player. When you look at Lopez' amazing track record injury wise, his lack of experience and his upside... it's nothing to laugh at to suggest Lopez just MAY be a better deal that some teams would prefer.

[Jameerthefear]

Kind of disgusted that Otis Smith would even consider this.

[Clippersfan86]

:facepalm Dwight will probably not re-sign with those teams, why would they offer a better deal to Orlando?

Which is exactly why I'm pissed! Dwight's essentially guaranteed to sign an extension with only the Lakers? Basically given other teams the idea that.... if you trade for me I'm not staying. I mean what kind of sh** is that? You guys don't see why this is wrong because you're Lakers fans. If you were a fan of the other 29 teams you'd see why this kind of crap can't be allowed.

Lakers deal for CP3 was close to being fair. I approve of it. A Bynum for Dwight deal is completely unacceptable.

[KOBEtherealKing]

Dwight trade is going to involve another 3 team trade or maybe 4.

[LA_Showtime]

I agree Bynum is a higher impact player. When you look at Lopez' amazing track record injury wise, his lack of experience and his upside... it's nothing to laugh at to suggest Lopez just MAY be a better deal that some teams would prefer.

Please explain to me Bynum's game. How is he offensively, defensively?

[PowerGlove]

:roll: who's in atl that dwight would consider playing with? Teague? Johnson?
Teague
Johnson
Mcgrady
Smith
Howard

thats a contending team.

[Clippersfan86]

Please explain to me Bynum's game. How is he offensively, defensively?

He's the 2nd or 3rd best defensive center in the game after Dwight, Bogut/Bynum. Offensively he's extremely strong in the paint.. has a decent touch at the rim, not much range. Strongest player in the NBA right there with Dwight... can bully most players with ease. Plays a very physical style of basketball.

You want a full scouting report or something? :facepalm .

[Kblaze8855]

Ive never had more respect for the Lakers than I do now. They are so good at this the league has to take the one chance its ever had(owning a team itself) to keep them from making moves. They have balls like few teams. They dont rest. Straight blow up a 3 time finals team hungry for more.

League reminds me of the talk of weighing down Michael Schumachers car because he won at an absurd rate.

This is so laughable I want to make a "Ball so hard" comment but cant bring myself to do it.

[SpecialQue]

Ive never had more respect for the Lakers than I do now. They are so good at this the league has to take the one chance its ever had(owning a team itself) to keep them from making moves. They have balls like few teams. They dont rest. Straight blow up a 3 time finals team hungry for more.

League reminds me of the talk of weighing down Michael Schumachers car because he won at an absurd rate.

This is so laughable I want to make a "Ball so hard" comment but cant bring myself to do it.

That's the amazing thing. The Lakers seem to be the best at getting this kind of thing done. It fvcking took the head of the NBA to prevent a trade from happening. If they can get that done and wind up with two of the best players in the game through trades....wow.

[talkingconch]

That's the amazing thing. The Lakers seem to be the best at getting this kind of thing done. It fvcking took the head of the NBA to prevent a trade from happening. If they can get that done and wind up with two of the best players in the game through trades....wow.

yep, if it wouldn't for that gaptooth Stern, We'd have both right now


but obviously the trade had to be killed due to...

http://troll.me/images/ancient-aliens-guy/basketball-reasons.jpg

[bih]

maybe Lakers should dump

Gasol, Bynum and Odom

just before trade deadline next year for some scrubs and round draft picks to clear cap


then

sign Howard and Paul when they are free agents

[Clippersfan86]

That's the amazing thing. The Lakers seem to be the best at getting this kind of thing done. It fvcking took the head of the NBA to prevent a trade from happening. If they can get that done and wind up with two of the best players in the game through trades....wow.

I ain't gonna lie. Lakers ARE so unstoppable that the NBA indeed is having to get involved themselves to stop it which is amazing in itself and unheard of. I respect the great teams you guys have put together countless times with brilliant trades and free agent signings. It's just one of those things when you're too good or too dominant for so long... you're going to have people giving handicaps to the competition.

It's like the way the dominant bigs like Wilt and Shaq forced the league to change the rules of the NBA to cripple their advantages a bit. It's unfair... but they are doing it with the intentions of giving other teams a chance so I understand the motive at least. I don't think Stern and the owners are trying to bully the Lakers or anything.

[KOBEtherealKing]

Teague
Johnson
Mcgrady
Smith
Howard

thats a contending team.
Negative. He would be in the same exact situation so he might as well stay in orlando. Its about winning a championship and he wouldn't with that roster. 2nd round exist.

[ballsohard247]

Ive never had more respect for the Lakers than I do now. They are so good at this the league has to take the one chance its ever had(owning a team itself) to keep them from making moves. They have balls like few teams. They dont rest. Straight blow up a 3 time finals team hungry for more.

League reminds me of the talk of weighing down Michael Schumachers car because he won at an absurd rate.

This is so laughable I want to make a "Ball so hard" comment but cant bring myself to do it.
I though the same thing regarding ballast in race cars. What is a ball so hard comment though?:lol

[PowerGlove]

Negative. He would be in the same exact situation so he might as well stay in orlando. Its about winning a championship and he wouldn't with that roster. 2nd round exist.
:sleeping

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Please explain to me Bynum's game. How is he offensively, defensively?


he doesnt know...he basically hates the lakers...so the Bynum hate

[KOBEtherealKing]

:sleeping
:applause: my point taken and proven

[G-Funk]

Incorrect, Bynum & Walton for Hedo & Howard will work if LA use Sasha's trade exception in the deal. Both Walton & Bynum have a team option for 2012, that will shed over 20 million dollars for Orlando.
Lakers can't use TE to trade for Dwight. :confusedshrug:

[PowerGlove]

:applause: my point taken and proven
you sound like a retard, they are a second round team RIGHT NOW, but if they add Howard they will be in the same position???:wtf:

Lakers are a second round team with Howard too.

[Kurosawa0]

John Hollinger: I'm baffled. David West deal would appear to kill the 3-way CP3 trade. Hornets can't take on any $ in West deal and still do CP trade.

If this is true, wow.

[Deuce Bigalow]

If this is true, wow.

How does that work? I dont get it

[chazzy]

ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
Dwight Howard's agent, Dan Fegan, tells SI that the Magic gave Howard permission to have contact with several teams to explore his options

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
The agent for Dwight Howard, Dan Fegan, tells Y! Sports that Orlando has given Howard permission to talk to three teams.

Hmm.. Nets, Lakers, and.. Rockets? Since they were the other team mentioned in the tampering story?

[Kurosawa0]

How does that work? I dont get it

Because they now would have to add money from whatever players come back from Boston.

[chazzy]

Because they now would have to add money from whatever players come back from Boston.
They could just add Okafor while also taking less salary than the original 3way trade to offset the added money. (would be alot less then the original deal actually)

[G-Funk]

Ive never had more respect for the Lakers than I do now. They are so good at this the league has to take the one chance its ever had(owning a team itself) to keep them from making moves. They have balls like few teams. They dont rest. Straight blow up a 3 time finals team hungry for more.

League reminds me of the talk of weighing down Michael Schumachers car because he won at an absurd rate.

This is so laughable I want to make a "Ball so hard" comment but cant bring myself to do it.


Lakers are a victim of their own success

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Lakers are a victim of their success

watch when they both play for Lakers on XMAS

[Blue&Orange]

Ive never had more respect for the Lakers than I do now. They are so good at this the league has to take the one chance its ever had(owning a team itself) to keep them from making moves. They have balls like few teams. They dont rest. Straight blow up a 3 time finals team hungry for more.
Last time i checked they were blowing up a front court that were embarrassed by frigging Aaron Gray and that were swept by Nowitzki and chandler.

I wish my Knicks had the "courage" to allow another team to give up the most to the Nuggets with Melo somehow still ending up in NY.

[All Net]

So it's still alive...