Bulls Now Entering Howard Sweepstakes (ESPN)

[themurph]

Now it's becoming a bidding war...Lakers, Nets, and now the Bulls....

Crazy...


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Updated: December 10, 2011, 11:52 PM ET
Source: Bulls hope to be in Howard talks

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/7340493/source-chicago-bulls-hope-discuss-trade-orlando-magic-center-dwight-howard

By Nick Friedell
ESPNChicago.com

CHICAGO -- Add the Chicago Bulls to the list of teams that will be exploring all options to land Orlando Magic center Dwight Howard.

The Bulls believe they have enough young pieces to complete a trade for the perennial All-Star. They will have conversations in the coming days with Magic GM Otis Smith about putting together a package for the talented big man, according to a league source.

Howard told the media on Saturday he has formally asked to be traded.

"The last couple of weeks before training camp were very tough," Howard told the Associated Press, explaining his decision. "Just stressed out about it. Got sick, couldn't sleep. It was a very stressful time. After I said what I said to Otis, got it out -- I started feeling better."

Smith said the team will move forward.

"When you invest seven years in a player and that's what he decides, then you have to deal with that from that angle. But it's not the end of the world," Smith said, according to the Associated Press. "Like I said before, the Orlando Magic franchise is what it's about. We like to make this into an individual game, but the fact of the matter is it's a team sport. And we'll continue to move forward. "

The Bulls figure to offer Smith anyone on their roster in order to make the deal work, with the exception of reigning NBA MVP, Derrick Rose.

In addition to agreeing to terms of a trade with Orlando, acquiring Howard likely will take a bit of salesmanship from the Bulls. On Friday, the Magic granted the New Jersey Nets, Dallas Mavericks and the Los Angeles Lakers permission to talk to Howard's agent, Dan Fegan, about possible deals. New Jersey, with whom Fegan reportedly met on Thursday, presently looks to be the front-runner for his services.

The Bulls have yet to speak to Fegan about a deal nor have they received permission from Orlando to do so, the source said.

If the Bulls were able to speak to Fegan, the source said their main selling point would be that with Rose and Howard, Chicago would have a nucleus capable of winning an NBA title. In many ways, the Bulls' pitch, if they do indeed get to make one, could sound a lot like the one they made to free agents LeBron James and Dwyane Wade in the summer of 2010. Both James and Wade spurned the Bulls last summer to sign with the Miami Heat.

The Bulls aren't atop Howard's wish list at the moment, but that doesn't their potential offer wouldn't be appealing from Orlando's vantage point. Smith noted Saturday that the Magic will explore every possible option.

"We wouldn't be who we are if we don't take a look around all 29 teams and try to make the best deal for the Orlando Magic," Smith said, according to The Orlando Sentinel.

It is unclear at this point whether Howard, slated to be a free agent at season's end, would be willing to sign an extension with the Bulls, especially given he has already given Fegan his preferred destinations. It's also highly unlikely the Bulls would make the deal without knowing for certain that Howard would sign the extension.

The Chicago Tribune first reported, via sources, the Bulls' interest in Howard.

[christian1923]

man shit is getting real

[Haymaker]

Deng + Boozer/Noah.

[Reverend Hoops]

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[32Dayz]

Do Bullz need Dwight Howard?









:lol

[Kurosawa0]

Do Bullz need Dwight Howard?









:lol

There is literally no team in the league that doesn't need a Dwight Howard.

[PyrrhusX]

AHHHHH MAAARRRR GGAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWDDDD.

If bulls get him, I would feel awesome for Rose.
But seriously, today has been intense.

And clippers apparently going for Paul now.

/inb4 cavs trade for both CP3/D12

[Kingwillball]

Howard and Rose would be a Nasy Combo not gonna lie..

[bagelred]

C'mon LAKERS!!!! Get Howard out of eastern conference!!! :D

[themurph]

Do Bullz need Dwight Howard?


When you have a dominating DEFENSIVE minded franchise center out there, you have to get involved....

[UK-NJ]

C'mon LAKERS!!!! Get Howard out of eastern conference!!! :D
QUIET YOU!!!

:oldlol:

[jlitt]

If im chicago no way in hell i trade Noah. Dude is heart and soul of that team and is a winner in every aspect. Plays great D and is an amazing rebounder.

[2010splash]

Just stop it. Every year we go through this shiet.

Gasol, Garnett, Kobe, Amare, Carmelo, LeBron, Wade, Bosh and probably a ton more were all hot rumors to the Bulls at some point.

There's nothing different about this. Sure they'll try but I think Howard will force his way to LA.

[bagelred]

QUIET YOU!!!

:oldlol:

tee hee

[christian1923]

If im chicago no way in hell i trade Noah. Dude is heart and soul of that team and is a winner in every aspect. Plays great D and is an amazing rebounder.

Are u retarded?

[2010splash]

If im chicago no way in hell i trade Noah. Dude is heart and soul of that team and is a winner in every aspect. Plays great D and is an amazing rebounder.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[themurph]

If im chicago no way in hell i trade Noah. Dude is heart and soul of that team and is a winner in every aspect. Plays great D and is an amazing rebounder.


Are you silly?

[bagelred]

If im chicago no way in hell i trade Noah. Dude is heart and soul of that team and is a winner in every aspect. Plays great D and is an amazing rebounder.

Mitch Kupchak? is that you?

[97 bulls]

Well its about damn time. The bulls are the only team that can offer good YOUNG pieces with expierence.

[kenny817]

If im chicago no way in hell i trade Noah. Dude is heart and soul of that team and is a winner in every aspect. Plays great D and is an amazing rebounder.
You're an idiot then

[Reverend Hoops]

If im chicago no way in hell i trade Noah. Dude is heart and soul of that team and is a winner in every aspect. Plays great D and is an amazing rebounder.

Yeah who is this Dwight Howard guy anyways?

[UK-NJ]

I could actually see the Bulls putting together a deal that'll rival LA's. Gonna be interesting...

[DuMa]

If im chicago no way in hell i trade Noah. Dude is heart and soul of that team and is a winner in every aspect. Plays great D and is an amazing rebounder.
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[97 bulls]

Just stop it. Every year we go through this shiet.

Gasol, Garnett, Kobe, Amare, Carmelo, LeBron, Wade, Bosh and probably a ton more were all hot rumors to the Bulls at some point.

There's nothing different about this. Sure they'll try but I think Howard will force his way to LA.
From following some of your posts the last few days, it seems you'd rather see howard in LA.

[bluechox2]

If im chicago no way in hell i trade Noah. Dude is heart and soul of that team and is a winner in every aspect. Plays great D and is an amazing rebounder.
dwight will swat noah like a fly

[DevilsAssassin]

If im chicago no way in hell i trade Noah. Dude is heart and soul of that team and is a winner in every aspect. Plays great D and is an amazing rebounder.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[AMISTILLILL]

If im chicago no way in hell i trade Noah. Dude is heart and soul of that team and is a winner in every aspect. Plays great D and is an amazing rebounder.

Good thing you're not the GM then, because your decision making sounds shitty.

[bluechox2]

FUC K it , im offically putting NY in the hunt for dwight :rockon:

[magnax1]

What can they even offer for him? I looked at the trade machine, and they can give some younger players, but they'd have to give some awful contracts like Noah 5 years 13 million a year, and Deng for 3 years for 13 million. Maybe if they had a third team to dump some salaries one... but otherwise I don't see it.

[DuMa]

FUC K it , im offically putting NY in the hunt for dwight :rockon:

as long as you have a source that physically poops and farts, people will believe you.

****ing sheeps.

[The Macho Man]

Are u retarded?

This is a legitimate question that needs to be addressed.

[bluechox2]

as long as you have a source that physically poops and farts, people will believe you.

****ing sheeps.
let me call broussard

[ConanRulesNBC]

Noah, Taj Gibson, Luol Deng & the Bobcats 2012 first round draft pick.

Leaves the Bulls with this (assuming they sign Rip Hamilton)

Dwight Howard
Carlos Boozer
Ronnie Brewer
Rip Hamilton
Derrick Rose

Korver, Asik, Crawford and CJ Watson off the bench.

[themurph]

Deng + Boozer/Noah.


Nah...I would keep Deng....Boozer/Noah/draft picks....

Need to keep some perimeter defense....

[Fiasco]

LOLOLOL at the idea of not wanting to trade noah for howard

[ConanRulesNBC]

If im chicago no way in hell i trade Noah. Dude is heart and soul of that team and is a winner in every aspect. Plays great D and is an amazing rebounder.

As a Bulls fan myself, I have to say your post is crazy. I love Noah too but for Dwight freakin' Howard I would go and pack up Noah's bags myself.

[Bird]

Noah, Taj Gibson, Luol Deng & the Bobcats 2012 first round draft pick.

Leaves the Bulls with this (assuming they sign Rip Hamilton)

Dwight Howard
Carlos Boozer
Ronnie Brewer
Rip Hamilton
Derrick Rose

Korver, Asik, Crawford and CJ Watson off the bench.

I was thinking along the lines of what you suggested (just didn't know about the 'Cats 1st rd pick).

I'd think Noah+Deng+Asik+pick.

If I am the Bulls, I'd hold onto Gibson, he performed pretty well as a backup and even better as a starter when Boozer was hurt. For some reason people really like Asik (Bulls fans/Eastern conference guys care to share why?).

[ballinhun8]

I read this article earlier and was surprised no one posted it.





I wish there was a way we could keep Noah in a deal. One of the few things Noah has that I dont see in Howard is competitiveness. He is so fiery, hates to lose, and is a more serious player then I have seen compared to Howard.



And people like Asik because he is our DeAndre Jordan. Guy just matured and developed so quickly in his rookie year. Tough as nails and not afraid to get dirty. Started to get more confident and bully his way near the rim as the season wore on.

[HurricaneKid]

I was thinking along the lines of what you suggested (just didn't know about the 'Cats 1st rd pick).

I'd think Noah+Deng+Asik+pick.

If I am the Bulls, I'd hold onto Gibson, he performed pretty well as a backup and even better as a starter when Boozer was hurt. For some reason people really like Asik (Bulls fans/Eastern conference guys care to share why?).

Asik was either the greatest defensive power in the league or a statistical anomoly. Probably somewhere in between but he is insanely good defensively and solid hands, touch and body control offensively. He is decidedly a starting calibur player in this league. Chicago's depth at the 4 is AMAZING. Noah, Boozer, Taj and Asik should all be starting in this league. Trade a few of them, Deng, and an actually valuable draft pick and I think you have traded Orl 4 starters. Certainly a better package than a chronically injured Bynum...

[97 bulls]

What can they even offer for him? I looked at the trade machine, and they can give some younger players, but they'd have to give some awful contracts like Noah 5 years 13 million a year, and Deng for 3 years for 13 million. Maybe if they had a third team to dump some salaries one... but otherwise I don't see it.
Who can offer better? The lakers if they were to offer both bynum and gasol I guess. But gasol is 32 and bynum has had major knee surgery on both knees. The magic would be looking to rebuild in 2 years. The nets with brook lopez and some picks? What does dallas have?

The bulls have talented establish young players.

[Bird]

Asik was either the greatest defensive power in the league or a statistical anomoly. Probably somewhere in between but he is insanely good defensively and solid hands, touch and body control offensively. He is decidedly a starting calibur player in this league. Chicago's depth at the 4 is AMAZING. Noah, Boozer, Taj and Asik should all be starting in this league. Trade a few of them, Deng, and an actually valuable draft pick and I think you have traded Orl 4 starters. Certainly a better package than a chronically injured Bynum...

Thanks for the insight.

So then, Bulls fans, which would you do:

Noah + Deng + Gibson + Charlotte pick

or

Noah + Deng + Asik + Charlotte pick

Or do you drop Noah, make it Boozer and drop either the pick OR the 2nd big man?

[magnax1]

Who can offer better? The lakers if they were to offer both bynum and gasol I guess. But gasol is 32 and bynum has had major knee surgery on both knees. The magic would be looking to rebuild in 2 years. The nets with brook lopez and some picks? What does dallas have?

The bulls have talented establish young players.
Noah and Deng's contracts are awful though. No way Orlando picks up those two (or probably either one) when they're trying to rebuild. They're not exactly guys who you can build your team around either. Yeah, they can offer young guys, but LA can get rid of Hedo's contract, and NJ might be able to too.

[themurph]

Thanks for the insight.

So then, Bulls fans, which would you do:

Noah + Deng + Gibson + Charlotte pick

or

Noah + Deng + Asik + Charlotte pick

Or do you drop Noah, make it Boozer and drop either the pick OR the 2nd big man?


I would prefer to keep Deng.....

[HB40TheNextStar]

I'm not going to look up contracts...

I would try to keep Deng and get rid of Boozer. Gibson is a legit starter in this league, anyway.

[Bird]

I would prefer to keep Deng.....

Looks like it could include ONE of Deng/Boozer/Noah + Korver + one of the young big men + pick.

Just for Howard.

If they want to absorb Hedo + Howard, Deng + Boozer/Noah + Korver + big man.

Or, if the Bulls want to get frisky, move Noah + Boozer + Korver. Keep Deng, two big men. Add pick. Could work.

[Rose]

Noah and Deng's contracts are awful though. No way Orlando picks up those two (or probably either one) when they're trying to rebuild. They're not exactly guys who you can build your team around either. Yeah, they can offer young guys, but LA can get rid of Hedo's contract, and NJ might be able to too.
I disagree.

Noah's the second best center in the league. Don't give me that crap about half a knee half a season Bynum. I'll give you Bogut. And Big Al plays power forward. Perfect piece for a team. Who doesn't want a center?

Deng, I'll give you. He's not ideal for a rebuilding team, but a team like the Clippers would take him. Maybe for Kaman who expires after the season and/or is trade bait right now. plus Asik who I personally have I high hopes for. And that Bobcats pick is only looking better. And of course we'd obviously take Hedo.

Chicago CAN put forth a package that's on the Lakers level, it's just whether or not Orlando wants it.

[Clutch]

C'mon LAKERS!!!! Get Howard out of eastern conference!!! :D
this

[magnax1]

I disagree.

Noah's the second best center in the league. Don't give me that crap about half a knee half a season Bynum. I'll give you Bogut. And Big Al plays power forward. Perfect piece for a team. Who doesn't want a center?
I definitely disagree about him being the second best. I think 5 years 12 million is to much for him, and there more guys then just Bogut Jefferson and Horford I'd take over him. Bynum is better, and yeah he isn't healthy, but neither has Noah the past couple years, and I'd rather take Lopez over him since he's only 22 and already a 20 ppg scorer. Anyway, I think 12 million is to much for him, especially since Dwight is only making 6 more himself.
And the biggest problem is they couldn't get rid of Hedo's contract which both LA and NJ could. I'll give you that they have some nice young assets and draft picks, but I'm sure would rather have 11 million for 3 years of shittyness off the books.

[Rose]

I definitely disagree about him being the second best. I think 5 years 12 million is to much for him, and there more guys then just Bogut Jefferson and Horford I'd take over him. Bynum is better, and yeah he isn't healthy, but neither has Noah the past couple years, and I'd rather take Lopez over him since he's only 22 and already a 20 ppg scorer. Anyway, I think 12 million is to much for him, especially since Dwight is only making 6 more himself.
And the biggest problem is they couldn't get rid of Hedo's contract which both LA and NJ could. I'll give you that they have some nice young assets and draft picks, but I'm sure would rather have 11 million for 3 years of shittyness off the books.
That's why I think it can only be a three team trade. I'm not saying we're anywhere near being able to get him, or close. But there is a possibility. the Clippers have wanted Deng before. And Kaman gives them relief. I mean really that's basically what Denver got for Melo

Chandler and Felton were expiring (although Chandler was a prospect I'll admit that) Which would be Kaman. Noah's a good franchise center, if you get the right power forward next to him especially. Asik and that pick.

I'll admit the Nets offer is better, but for some reason Otis doesn't want that:oldlol:

Let me go mess around in the trade machine. And see if this Kaman nonsense is plausible.

[Bird]

I definitely disagree about him being the second best. I think 5 years 12 million is to much for him, and there more guys then just Bogut Jefferson and Horford I'd take over him. Bynum is better, and yeah he isn't healthy, but neither has Noah the past couple years, and I'd rather take Lopez over him since he's only 22 and already a 20 ppg scorer. Anyway, I think 12 million is to much for him, especially since Dwight is only making 6 more himself.
And the biggest problem is they couldn't get rid of Hedo's contract which both LA and NJ could. I'll give you that they have some nice young assets and draft picks, but I'm sure would rather have 11 million for 3 years of shittyness off the books.

Dwight + Hedo for Gibson + Deng + Noah OR Boozer + Korver

Salaries work and the Bulls could even toss in Charlotte's pick if they must (and I would trade Noah over Boozer).

[Rose]

That actually just barely works since Pargo, Bogans, and Lucas deals aren't guaranteed.:lol


I still should be a GM.


Actually the Jimmy Butler signing may or may not hinder that. But I think it'd still be close enough to work. since he was drafted 30th overall he makes squat.

[magnax1]

Yeah, Kaman definitely makes sense. I'll give you that. However, they did just sign Butler, so I think that kind of lessens the chance.

[Rose]

Yeah, Kaman definitely makes sense. I'll give you that. However, they did just sign Butler, so I think that kind of lessens the chance.
****. I forgot about that. I hate the Clippers.


Tuesday after my finals are over and I'm sober I'll come up with something.:cheers:

[ConanRulesNBC]

lol... if the Magic took Boozer and Noah from the Bulls instead and left them with Deng and Taj Gibson, Forman would have to be the GM of the season already.

Dwight/Asik
Taj/Hedo
Deng/Brewer
Rip/Crawford
Rose/Watson

:bowdown:

[e-LIMON-ators]

Honestly, I don't want Howard. He might be a top 5 player in the league but I just don't like his personality. Plus, call me old fashioned, but I don't like this super team concept that miami has and what the lakers are trying to do. I believe in the draft your players and develop them and build around your superstar process.

[Go Getter]

lol... if the Magic took Boozer and Noah from the Bulls instead and left them with Deng and Taj Gibson, Forman would have to be the GM of the season already.

Dwight/Asik
Taj/Hedo
Deng/Brewer
Rip/Crawford
Rose/Watson

:bowdown:
Hedo is in no way shape or form a PF in the NBA....not even a backup.

[Batz]

Dwight Howard will NOT sign an extension with the Chicago Bulls. Only with NJ or the Lakers.


Then again, the Bulls were never a possible destination. But don't get your hopes up Bulls fans.

[Go Getter]

Dwight Howard will NOT sign an extension with the Chicago Bulls. Only with NJ or the Lakers.


Then again, the Bulls were never a possible destination. But don't get your hopes up Bulls fans.
:facepalm

And you are an authority because......

[DaPerceive]

Dwight Howard will NOT sign an extension with the Chicago Bulls. Only with NJ or the Lakers.


Then again, the Bulls were never a possible destination. But don't get your hopes up Bulls fans.
:facepalm And this is based on??????

[kentatm]

If im chicago no way in hell i trade Noah. Dude is heart and soul of that team and is a winner in every aspect. Plays great D and is an amazing rebounder.


basketball reasons

[greymatter]

Dwight Howard will NOT sign an extension with the Chicago Bulls. Only with NJ or the Lakers.

Right. No way in hell D12 would resign with the team that was #1 in defense and rebounding. Never mind the fact that his addition would only allow the Bulls to lead the league in those categories by a far larger margin than they did last season while at the same time vastly improving the Bulls' mediocre offense.



Then again, the Bulls were never a possible destination. But don't get your hopes up Bulls fans.

The proper term is "viable" in this case. Noah and Deng, while being solid above average starters, aren't worth 12-13 million a year. None of what the Bulls can package would make Orlando any better than 1st round playoff fodder.

[greymatter]

:facepalm

And you are an authority because......

Because Bynum is the greatest thing since sliced bread and anyone who doesn't agree is clearly clueless.

[niko]

Bulls assets have too much long term salary. I don't see it.

[Dengness9]

Do I think the Bulls will get Howard????? No.


But for effin sakes, Noah is not a bad contract people.

You guys seeing what Jordan, Chandler, and Nene are getting????

I'll take Noah 10 times out of 10 over all three of them, his contract is cheaper than Nene's and Chandler, and he's only 25-26???

The Magic have no chance of getting a better center back than Joakim in any trade, and then on top of it, the Magic can get Asik who is a legit 7 footer with crazy defensive potential to back up Noah.

It's a no brainer that the Bulls package is the best, as we all know, especially after this free agent class, that buying a Center is expensive ans they are hard to find.

However Dwight doesn't wanna come here cuz he's a bitch like the ******* down in MIA.

Lifestyle over winning....welcome to the present day NBA...

[outbreak]

I agree. I don't see them doing a deal but seriously i hate Noah but he is on par if not above most of the guys everyone else is mentioning. Plus he's a good contract. Think he gets dissed alot based on the guy he is not his play.

[percolator]

If I'm Orlando the best offer from Chicago would be Noah, Taj Gibson, Asik, the rights to Nikola Mirotic and a couple first rounders. Bulls have the 2012 1st rounder from Charlotte (lottery protected this year and then it scales down until totally unprotected in 2016) and could trade their 2014 first rounder

I would want NO part of the Boozer or Deng contracts, nor Brewer or Korver

[(e)]

I'd give up anyone on the roster to get Dwight, except for Rose obviously. I'd also only make the trade if Dwight would sign an extension.

I think Noah, Deng and either Taj/Asik is a solid package for Dwight. I'd also include whoever to take on Hedo, it'd probably have to be Brewer. And then add some picks.

Rose/Watson
RIP/Korver
Hedo/Korver/Butler
Boozer/Taj?
Dwight/Asik?

Obviously would need to go out and pick up another big for the min. Troy Murphy? Przybilla?

[Glide2keva]

I'd give up anyone on the roster to get Dwight, except for Rose obviously. I'd also only make the trade if Dwight would sign an extension.

I think Noah, Deng and either Taj/Asik is a solid package for Dwight. I'd also include whoever to take on Hedo, it'd probably have to be Brewer. And then add some picks.

Rose/Watson
RIP/Korver
Hedo/Korver/Butler
Boozer/Taj?
Dwight/Asik?

Obviously would need to go out and pick up another big for the min. Troy Murphy? Przybilla?
Not feeling Hedo on the team.

[(e)]

Not feeling Hedo on the team.

Chances of getting Dwight would probably go down then. Hedo can handle the ball pretty well and can knock down the 3. I'm not huge on him, but if you have to take him to get Dwight then you do it.

[redbull]

What would the Lakers be giving up for Howard?

Bulls have a ton of young talent

[outbreak]

What would the Lakers be giving up for Howard?

Bulls have a ton of young talent

3 way with rockets and orlando

orlando get bynum,dragic , martin and scola
lakers get howard and turk
rockets get pau like that wanted in the cp3 trade

[The Choken One]

What would the Lakers be giving up for Howard?

Bulls have a ton of young talent
As someone stated, most of their contracts aren't exactly desirable.

I just don't know where Dwight is going... would love to say the Lakers, but I think it's almost out of the question at this point for some reason.