Shaquille O'Neal vs. Wilt Chamberlain 1 on 1

[Lebron23]

Who do you think wins?


http://www.interbasket.net/players/usa/shaq.jpg

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[32Dayz]

http://www.sojones.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/shaq.jpg
Shaq.
More skilled and far more fluid/smooth in the post.

He had better body coordination and touch around the basket.

From what I've seen Young and Prime Shaq was stronger/quicker and far more explosive then Wilt and many people who have watched both of them play have echoed similar statements in regards to the two.

I really dont think its close.

Wilt would be forced to rely on his finesse game which was at times inconsistent and Shaq would get into his head with trash talk.

:pimp:

Wilt was "I am sure" capable of playing great defense when he wanted to and wouldn't make it easy on Shaq but he also rarely faced someone of equal or even greater size, strength and athleticism.

If he did manage to make it difficult for Shaq to use his quite accurate hook shots I can see Shaq abusing him down low with his cat quick spin moves or simply powering to the basket and dunking on him.

[nbacardDOTnet]

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Don't use my pic and bandwidth, Loser.

what a thief.

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[Richesly]

Don't use my pic and bandwidth, Loser.

what a thief.

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You the only douche I see in here.

[abuC]

Shaq wins.


I don't know how Wilt would have dealt with someone more physically imposing than himself.

[JGXEN]

Inb4 Wilt nut hugger Jlauber and his pal Phila with a 15page response

[Tha Catalyst]

Never understood why people thought Wilt was stronger than Shaq. More athletic? Possible. Maybe even lifted heavier weights but that doesn't entirely equate to one's strength. Shaq was bloody thick, heavy and knew how to use his size perfectly. Shaq could physically abuse the likes of D-Rob who, like Wilt, was a gym-junkie. Unless Wilt can regularly face-up successfully against Shaq in one-on-one, he would lose.

[305Baller]

Shaq would get an early lead but Wilt's conditioning and ease at getting baskets would pull him ahead late as Shaq would tire out from dunk after dunk.

[bwink23]

This is alot CLOSER than one would think...Wilt slightly taller, both very strong men. This would be a crazy inside battle....i think Wilt's defense is being severely underrated here. He's the only guy i've seen be able to block Kareem's skyhook, on more than one occasion. I find this to be more of a defensive battle.

[Rnbizzle]

I honestly believe Shaq would destroy him. I'm sorry old school basketball fans. :confusedshrug:

[inclinerator]

it be close, a young yao ming fared quite well against shaq defensively and he's no wilt

[abuC]

it be close, a young yao ming fared quite well against shaq defensively and he's no wilt


Yao was 7"6 310lbs, he was massive and Shaq still imposed his will on him.

[bwink23]

I honestly believe Shaq would destroy him. I'm sorry old school basketball fans. :confusedshrug:


WHY do you believe that, "destroy"....Wilt himself was 7'1 280 pounds. Not exactly a small man. Shaq would have alot of trouble with Wilt's length.

[inclinerator]

Yao was 7"6 310lbs, he was massive and Shaq still imposed his will on him.
well wilt is supposedly stronger, had way more stamina, more athletic than yao so i think he'd do quite well defensively on shaq

[abuC]

well wilt is supposedly stronger, had way more stamina, more athletic than yao so i think he'd do quite well defensively on shaq


Wilt wasn't 7"6 310lbs, that's what you're missing here.

[bwink23]

Wilt wasn't 7"6 310lbs, that's what you're missing here.


WILT HAD A 7'8" WINGSPAN AND WOULD MAKE YAO HIS BITCH IN THE WEIGHT ROOM....I DON'T THINK YOU UNDERSTAND.

[PHILA]

It appears that '00 Shaq (340 lbs) had a 20-25 lb advantage over '64 Wilt (315-320 lbs). http://insidehoops.com/forum/images/smilies/applause.gif


Los Angeles Times - Oct 7, 1999

Whatever Coach Phil Jackson's requested weight for Shaquille O'Neal was, the center did not meet it--probably didn't even come close--when the Lakers were weighed after the morning practice Wednesday at UC Santa Barbara.

"The more I lift weights, the higher the number's going to be," O'Neal said. "I'm not really concerned about numbers. . . . I'll bust any big man's butt no matter what I weigh."

"I'm not unhappy about it," Jackson said. "He's shown he's in condition out there on the floor. That's the major goal, the guy's in condition so he can get up and down the court."

O'Neal, who has added muscle on his shoulders, said he came in at 340 pounds.



Orlando Sentinel - Oct 31, 1999

He is bigger than ever now, a solid 340 pounds (at least 10 pounds heavier than last season) and has a Hungry Man appetite that demands immediate satisfaction.



Meriden Journal - Sep 6, 1963 (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=CqxIAAAAIBAJ&sjid=xwANAAAAIBAJ&pg=3715,469887&dq)

http://i.imgur.com/9hHKU.png





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Below he slams over 6'9, 240 lb Zelmo Beaty.

http://i.imgur.com/eiEJD.jpg

[305Baller]

Below he slams over 6'9, 240 lb Zelmo Beaty.

http://i.imgur.com/eiEJD.jpg

There were no slam dunks back then, i think. So this would have been a lay-up.

[305Baller]

I honestly believe Shaq would destroy him. I'm sorry old school basketball fans. :confusedshrug:

No! RNBizzle, say it aint so! You? YOU!?!
I will accept your apology, but since YOU HONESTLY SAID IT, it is fact.

[Sarcastic]

Wilt wasn't 7"6 310lbs, that's what you're missing here.

Are you somehow implying that Yao is better than Wilt?

[PistonsFan#21]

Are you somehow implying that Yao is better than Wilt?

i think he is simply implying that Yao is more physically dominant than Wilt. Hes probably more skilled too in the post on offense.

Wilt was successful because of his strength and athleticism and i dont think he could overpower Shaq

[jlauber]

Are you somehow implying that Yao is better than Wilt?

I believe Wilt had a HIGHER REACH than Yao, could jump MUCH higher, and was FAR stronger. BTW, Wilt had a decent outside game, too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCWrGWuU2Ak

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EpVZS26BUs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYq4CWeWaKg

[abuC]

I believe Wilt had a HIGHER REACH than Yao, could jump MUCH higher, and was FAR stronger. BTW, Wilt had a decent outside game, too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCWrGWuU2Ak

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EpVZS26BUs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYq4CWeWaKg


You also believe Wilt could have beaten a blackhole in a one on one fight and could run in the rain and not get wet.

[jlauber]

You also believe Wilt could have beaten a blackhole in a one on one fight and could run in the rain and not get wet.

That's the kind of nonsensical post that I have come to expect from you. In any case, a PRIME Wilt would have gone, up, over, around, and THRU Yao one-on-one...and unless Yao was hitting 20 footers, Chamberlain would have been knocking most of his shots back in his face.

As PHILA pointed out, Wilt was well over 300 lbs at different points in his career. In the mid-60's, when he was at his absolute physical peak (but not as strong as he would be later in his career), he was between 275-290 (and even over 300 in training camp), and was already benching 425 lbs. Of course, he was considerably stronger later in his career. MANY knowledgeable observers would claim that he was the STRONGEST man to ever play the game.

[abuC]

That's the kind of nonsensical post that I have come to expect from you. In any case, a PRIME Wilt would have gone, up, over, around, and THRU Yao one-on-one...and unless Yao was hitting 20 footers, Chamberlain would have been knocking most of his shots back in his face.


:roll:

I can't take you seriously anymore, you are so biased it is unreal. No where did I say Yao could beat Wilt in anything, I said he was bigger, period. Someone could make a topic asking about who the tallest player ever was, and somehow you'd fine a way to bring Wilt up. This is basically Bill Brasky or Paul Bunyan tall tales, except you believe every bit of nonsense you type.

You went from being a so-so source of info on Wilt, to being a complete and utter caricature, where anything you "BELIEVE" about Wilt is supposed to be definite proof.

[Sarcastic]

:roll:

I can't take you seriously anymore, you are so biased it is unreal. No where did I say Yao could beat Wilt in anything, I said he was bigger, period. Someone could make a topic asking about who the tallest player ever was, and somehow you'd fine a way to bring Wilt up. This is basically Bill Brasky or Paul Bunyan tall tales, except you believe every bit of nonsense you type.

You went from being a so-so source of info on Wilt, to being a complete and utter caricature, where anything you "BELIEVE" about Wilt is supposed to be definite proof.

You implied that Wilt being smaller than Yao would mean Shaq would be able to "impose his will on him".

[abuC]

As PHILA pointed out, Wilt was well over 300 lbs at different points in his career. In the mid-60's, when he was at his absolute physical peak (but not as strong as he would be later in his career), he was between 275-290 (and even over 300 in training camp), and was already benching 425 lbs. Of course, he was considerably stronger later in his career. MANY knowledgeable observers would claim that he was the STRONGEST man to ever play the game.


He also fought a mountain lion, had a 48" vertical and had sex with 20,000 women. I also BELIEVE he figured out cold fusion and found a means of faster than light travel.

PHILA posted two different sources claiming two different weights, like most things Wilt related, I'd put money up that someone asked him how much he weighed and he said 320lbs, then 315lbs. He's supposed to weigh more than Andrew Bynum in 1964.....really?

320lbs?????
http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/1102/nba-biggest-single-season-declines/images/warriors-wilt-chamberlain-nate-thurmond.jpg


285lbs...

http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/bynumversusknicks.jpg


7"1 and 7"1 so where is the extra 35lbs of mass??????

[abuC]

You implied that Wilt being smaller than Yao would mean Shaq would be able to "impose his will on him".


Where did I say Yao would beat Wilt in a one on one? Look at what jlauber said...

[Deuce Bigalow]

Wilt today would be Kwame Brown

trololol

[abuC]

Wilt today would be Kwame Brown

trololol


Jlauber / PHILA = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NjgPDIeSXA

[Deuce Bigalow]

He also fought a mountain lion, had a 48" vertical and had sex with 20,000 women. I also BELIEVE he figured out cold fusion and found a means of faster than light travel.

PHILA posted two different sources claiming two different weights, like most things Wilt related, I'd put money up that someone asked him how much he weighed and he said 320lbs, then 315lbs. He's supposed to weigh more than Andrew Bynum in 1964.....really?

320lbs?????
http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/1102/nba-biggest-single-season-declines/images/warriors-wilt-chamberlain-nate-thurmond.jpg


285lbs...

http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/bynumversusknicks.jpg


7"1 and 7"1 so where is the extra 35lbs of mass??????

lol where jlauber at?

[305Baller]

Wilt today would be Kwame Brown

trololol


http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/internet-memes-reframe-sarahs-excuse1.jpg

[305Baller]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/381325_250065918390095_203926236337397_755334_6619 38275_n.jpg

[abuC]

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:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Im the person who posted that pic originally in another thread LMAO!

That picture was taken 10+ years after he was already retired, and as noted in the damn quote itself, he never appeared heavier.

[PHILA]

Give Bynum a tight uniform and shorts & see how he appears in the photo. He could never dream of keeping up with the centers back then. Even Bellamy who had weight problems would blow Bynum away up the floor. Can Bynum run like this? :no:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wzaki4yEC4s#t=4m7s


Imagine the stiff trying to keep up with Russell. He would faint from exhaustion. :lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCYj0wXPY1s#t=13m12s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UtG7-I2wBw#t=4m42s



In Chamberlain's case, 320 lbs may have been considered out of shape back then due to the running game as opposed to the slower game today. It seems his playing weight was closer to 295-300. I don't think Shaq (in Chuck Taylors) would effectively play in that era at 330-340 without breaking down.


The Windsor Star - Sep 26, 1963 (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=QDM_AAAAIBAJ&sjid=T1EMAAAAIBAJ&pg=3530,4007040)

http://i.imgur.com/nLUnL.png



Even Bill Russell would report to camp at 240+ lbs, referring to himself as a "fat center".


The Owosso Argus-Press - Sep 24, 1968 (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=XEwoAAAAIBAJ&sjid=jwUGAAAAIBAJ&pg=4907,2569532)

http://i.imgur.com/jiKeQ.png




Coach Dolph Schayes also worked the Sixers hard in camp focusing on endurance & stamina.


Tall Tales: The Glory Years of the NBA - Terry Pluto

http://i.imgur.com/bZDL1.png

[PHILA]

Coach Hannum also ran a tough training camp.


Tall Tales: The Glory Years of the NBA - Terry Pluto

http://i.imgur.com/sFN3I.png




New York Times - Jan 22, 2002 (http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F70E1FFD395F0C718EDDA80894DA4044 82)

One of Hannum's former players, Pat Riley, the Miami Heat coach, recalled that when Hannum took over the N.B.A.'s San Diego Rockets in 1969, he gave his players a memorable introduction to his methods.

Riley said that in an early practice, Hannum directed him and the other players to run the San Diego Sports Arena steps, from courtside to balcony. He did not tell them when to stop, though. Hannum then went home. Three hours later, Riley said, the players were still running up and down the arena steps when Hannum called the trainer from home and told the players they could stop.

[millwad]

Haha, PHILA, how old are you?
How does it feel wasting your time on a player you never really saw other than google and youtube? Is it pleasing to google Wilt's name and find some articles you can spam us with?

You and Jlauber are the biggest Wilt-fans on ISH and you're both pathetic guys. Jlauber who changed his mind regarding Wilt and his era just a few years ago, 40 years after the actual games, regards himself as a Wilt-historian, haha.

And then you, google-boy-numero-uno, googling Wilt's name isn't the same thing as actually watch the guy play.

[millwad]

I believe Wilt had a HIGHER REACH than Yao, could jump MUCH higher, and was FAR stronger. BTW, Wilt had a decent outside game, too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCWrGWuU2Ak

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EpVZS26BUs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYq4CWeWaKg

HAHAHA..:facepalm
If you guys would have seen Jlauber's post from 1-2 years old he would never mention that Wilt had a decent outside game or that he had a great midrange jumper but google made him a true believer..

[305Baller]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Im the person who posted that pic originally in another thread LMAO!

That picture was taken 10+ years after he was already retired, and as noted in the damn quote itself, he never appeared heavier.

So what does that have to do with anything.

THAT PIC IS GOLD JERRY

[305Baller]

HAHAHA..:facepalm
If you guys would have seen Jlauber's post from 1-2 years old he would never mention that Wilt had a decent outside game or that he had a great midrange jumper but google made him a true believer..

So you are saying he did research and changed his opinion? And you are laughing at him for INTELLIGENCE?!?!?

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/12/11/415d33f7-625d-4ce8-8fa8-89ac05a3e494.jpg

[La Frescobaldi]

So you are saying he did research and changed his opinion? And you are laughing at him for INTELLIGENCE?!?!?

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/12/11/415d33f7-625d-4ce8-8fa8-89ac05a3e494.jpg

oops end of story

[Asukal]

So you are saying he did research and changed his opinion? And you are laughing at him for INTELLIGENCE?!?!?

He is laughable because he never really saw many of Wilt's games yet acts all mighty with his so called expertise on Wilt which he got from google. I'd bet he doesn't even play basketball, what does he know apart from the stats? :confusedshrug:

[KevinNYC]

There were no slam dunks back then, i think. So this would have been a lay-up.

Unless, I'm misssing your sarcasm, this really disqualifies you from talking about the early NBA.

Not only are you confusing the NBA with the NCAA which did ban dunking for a while in the late 60's/early 70's....., but the image shows a clear dunk in progress.

[La Frescobaldi]

These 3 games show the invention of modern basketball

Check out the humongous difference in basketball quality between this.....

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the second half of g7 the '64 Finals:

part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5jV7WImytM

lots of doubleteaming on Chamberlain in this second part
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uOGY0fftVA

part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzuWJblenO4

part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qgE9iJiTAQ

************************************
And this, the only most-of-a-game clip I know of on the '67 EDF.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJaFNsa-Bqs

************************************
And this, G5 of the '72 Lakers run
part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tQobnWfVoc

part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkBQAYwbguk

In a very real way, you can see the development of modern basketball in those 3 games, 8 years apart.


In the first game, there's very little fundamentals, almost no set plays, and a whole lot of running and muscle. In my view, that's mostly because the Warriors were so pathetically bad that they dragged the Celtics along into the gutter with them. Guy Rodgers & Tom Meschery playin their guts out but wow but Nate Thurmond lookin strong at times

In the second game, there's an astronomical improvement in basketball skills by all players, some real defensive strategies, and the triple post or triangle offense is on full display (rudimentary, primitive, primevel even) by the 76ers.

In the '72 game - it's modern basketball without a 3 point line.

I was pretty much wrong on a earlier post where i didn't know of any of Chamberlain's huge games, that 64 game he went 27pts 38 rebs (which tied the rebounding record in a finals game) and then that 72 game everybody knows the 24pts 29 rebs 8 assists and 9 blocks with 5 minutes left.

Lot of speculation about what Wilt did in that missing 3 or 4 minutes of the '72 game 5, but i have seen a clip that shows all the starters going to the bench on both teams with just over a minute left.

[305Baller]

Unless, I'm misssing your sarcasm, this really disqualifies you from talking about the early NBA.

Not only are you confusing the NBA with the NCAA which did ban dunking for a while in the late 60's/early 70's....., but the image shows a clear dunk in progress.

Buddy, I am not qualified to talk about anything before 1979.
It is all speculation and heresay, like a history project to me.

[Fazotronic]

So you are saying he did research and changed his opinion? And you are laughing at him for INTELLIGENCE?!?!?

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/12/11/415d33f7-625d-4ce8-8fa8-89ac05a3e494.jpg


more like that he belevies everything he finds.
i can find articles of why julius erving is the greatest. Doesn't mean its the truth.
It also doesn't make you any more intelligent.

[305Baller]

more like that he belevies everything he finds.
i can find articles of why julius erving is the greatest. Doesn't mean its the truth.
It also doesn't make you any more intelligent.

You can say that about any subject really.
DId we really go to the moon? Was there really a holocaust?

[BlackJoker23]

Coach Hannum also ran a tough training camp.


Tall Tales: The Glory Years of the NBA - Terry Pluto

http://i.imgur.com/sFN3I.png




New York Times - Jan 22, 2002 (http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F70E1FFD395F0C718EDDA80894DA4044 82)

One of Hannum's former players, Pat Riley, the Miami Heat coach, recalled that when Hannum took over the N.B.A.'s San Diego Rockets in 1969, he gave his players a memorable introduction to his methods.

Riley said that in an early practice, Hannum directed him and the other players to run the San Diego Sports Arena steps, from courtside to balcony. He did not tell them when to stop, though. Hannum then went home. Three hours later, Riley said, the players were still running up and down the arena steps when Hannum called the trainer from home and told the players they could stop.
lol at this phaget gettin all mad and pissy. bynum would retire russell in one play u clown. u were semen when wilt retired. go post on ur scott pippen account and then clap after every post phaget

[305Baller]

lol at this phaget gettin all mad and pissy. bynum would retire russell in one play u clown. u were semen when wilt retired. go post on ur scott pippen account and then clap after every post phaget

http://www.readthesmiths.com/articles/Images/Humor/Fail/1FAIL.jpg

[jlauber]

These 3 games show the invention of modern basketball

Check out the humongous difference in basketball quality between this.....

*********************************
the second half of g7 the '64 Finals:

part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5jV7WImytM

lots of doubleteaming on Chamberlain in this second part
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uOGY0fftVA

part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzuWJblenO4

part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qgE9iJiTAQ

************************************
And this, the only most-of-a-game clip I know of on the '67 EDF.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJaFNsa-Bqs

************************************
And this, G5 of the '72 Lakers run
part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tQobnWfVoc

part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkBQAYwbguk

In a very real way, you can see the development of modern basketball in those 3 games, 8 years apart.


In the first game, there's very little fundamentals, almost no set plays, and a whole lot of running and muscle. In my view, that's mostly because the Warriors were so pathetically bad that they dragged the Celtics along into the gutter with them. Guy Rodgers & Tom Meschery playin their guts out but wow but Nate Thurmond lookin strong at times

In the second game, there's an astronomical improvement in basketball skills by all players, some real defensive strategies, and the triple post or triangle offense is on full display (rudimentary, primitive, primevel even) by the 76ers.

In the '72 game - it's modern basketball without a 3 point line.

I was pretty much wrong on a earlier post where i didn't know of any of Chamberlain's huge games, that 64 game he went 27pts 38 rebs (which tied the rebounding record in a finals game) and then that 72 game everybody knows the 24pts 29 rebs 8 assists and 9 blocks with 5 minutes left.

Lot of speculation about what Wilt did in that missing 3 or 4 minutes of the '72 game 5, but i have seen a clip that shows all the starters going to the bench on both teams with just over a minute left.

Good post, but I would like to add some comments.

Chamberlain had TWO Finals games of 38 rebounds (one against Russell, and the other against Thurmond.) However, Russell's 40 in game seven of the '62 Finals and against the Lakers, is the Finals record. HOWEVER, Chamberlain's 41 against RUSSELL, in the '67 ECF's, is the all-time post-season record.

Another interesting point...for some reason Chamberlain always regarded Guy Rodgers as a great passing guard. From the footage that I have seen, Rodgers was nothing more than ordinary. BUT, not only that, just watch that game four of the '64 Finals. Chamberlain, despite constant double-teams, scored on nearly every possession. However, he hardly got the ball at all in the last six minutes of the 4thg quarter, and even worse, Rodgers was taking horrible-shot-after-horrible shot, and missing nearly ALL of them...and some were WAY off.

You mentioned Wilt's line of 27 points and 38 rebounds in that game. He also held Russell to an 8 point, 19 rebound game. Yet, we have a couple of posters here who have blamed WILT for that 98-95 loss, simply because he shot 3-8 from the line (BTW, Russell was only 2-5 himself.) :facepalm

And yes, we have that game, (or at least the SECOND half of that game), and most of his game five of the '72 Finals (in which he scored 24 points, on 10-14 shooting, with 29 rebounds, and nine blocks.) STILL, where are his staggering scoring games, even in the post-season? He had FOUR post-season games of 50+ points. Included in those were a 56-35 game five in a best-of-five series; and 50 point game, on 22-32 shooting in the '64 playoffs; and a 50-35 game (on 22-42 shooting) against Russell in a "must-win" game five of the '60 ECF's. In fact, he had FOUR 40-30 games, just against Russell, in the post-season. Or how about his 24-32-13-12 game (on 9-13 shooting) against Russell in game one of the '67 ECF's? Or his clinching game five in that same series, of 29-36-13-7 and on 10-16 shooting? Where is his 45-27 game (on 20-27 shooting) game six of the '70 Finals, and only four months removed from major knee surgery?

And I could go on forever regarding his regular season games. Needless to say, I hold out hope that some day we will see at least one of his 271 40+ point games; or one of his 122 50+ point games; or one of his 32 60+ point games.