ESPN said Orlando asked for Bynum and Gasol for the trade for Dwight.

[NBA2k-Monster23]

I know that's a lot to ask for, but this is for the best center in the lead. Hollinger said he would drive Bynum and Gasol to Orlando to get Dwight. The Lakers should stop worrying about CP3 and make the move. They said the lakers are hesitant to make the move.

This is the future of the Lakers. After Dwight and CP3 the big name stars is gone.

[Gundress]

I would ask one more player like Hedo cause they lost Odom so there's no way they gonna lose 3 big men just for Dwight and Magic got Glen Davis aka Big Baby anyway

[Kobr]

who be our PF?

[r32soul]

Is that a good trade for the Lakers?

As good as Howard is, Lakers have no depth already, and I just can't image Lakers losing basically three 7 footers for Howard. Is that worth the cost?

I understand Bynum is injury prone, and Gasol is a emotionally-attach player, but c'mon, Lakers FO, you can't possibly sell to your fans that we gave up all that length for 1 great player.

[Kobe681]

damn, as much as it sucks to do the Lakers have to pull the trigger on this.

You dont pass up on a franchise center like Dwight. you just dont.

[StacksOnDeck]

Lakers would be dumb as hell to do that.

[Gundress]

Is that a good trade for the Lakers?

As good as Howard is, Lakers have no depth already, and I just can't image Lakers losing basically three 7 footers for Howard. Is that worth the cost?

I understand Bynum is injury prone, and Gasol is a emotionally-attach player, but c'mon, Lakers FO, you can't possibly sell to your fans that we gave up all that length for 1 great player.

Exactly, that's why I said I would ask one more player like Hedo and Magic already got Glen Davis?

Come on, Magic got too many big guys

Byum, Gasol, Big Baby, Hedo


Lakers would be fool not to ask for Hedo.

[christian1923]

Lakers gotta pull the trigger, u cant pass up on dwight.. bynum is guaranteed to get hurt and howard >>>> gasol

[Allstar24]

Yeah that's not going to happen.

[magicmanfan]

You dont pass up on a franchise center like Dwight. you just dont.

ditto :cheers:

[PrimeJohnnyDepp]

If Lakers get Dwight, they might as well get Deron too, because Nets will fall apart.

Howard is just profitable, and has like soooooooooo much potential that he doesn't know about, because Orlando has been raping him hard his whole career.

[Mr Know It All]

The Lakers would be left with an aging Bryant and no pieces to add anyone else, not to mention a bulging salary with the extension for Dwight coming. With Odom still in Los Angeles I could see it, but now they have McRoberts as the option at PF and Fisher running the point.

[Kobr]

Exactly, that's why I said I would ask one more player like Hedo and Magic already got Glen Davis?

Come on, Magic got too many big guys

Byum, Gasol, Big Baby, Hedo


Lakers would be fool not to ask for Hedo.

Ask for Hedo? Pretty sure he'd be shoved down our throat.

[G-Funk]

If Lakers had Lamar i would have pulled the trigger mega fast. Remember Lakers went to the Finals with Lamar Kobe and Gasol. And the reason we lost was cause our bigs were soft as hell in particular Gasol.

BUT Lakers would be giving up too much 20 rebounds and about 36 pts(with Lamar gone). I just dont understand why Magic would even want Gasol??? Hes 31 and is locked for 3 more yrs.

[Da Doc04]

You dont pass up on a franchise center like Dwight. you just dont.

agreed

[AMISTILLILL]

Let me guess... Broussard is the source.

[R.I.P.]

If Lakers get Dwight, they might as well get Deron too, because Nets will fall apart.

Yeah just offer the Nets Artest and Walton. :facepalm

[Gundress]

Is Rashard Lewis a free-agent or still with the Magic?

I mean, Lakers should have used him if he's a free-agent so I would do that trade just for D.Howard and get R.Lewis in free-agency.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

If Lakers get Dwight, they might as well get Deron too, because Nets will fall apart.

Howard is just profitable, and has like soooooooooo much potential that he doesn't know about, because Orlando has been raping him hard his whole career.

who are the lakers trading to get Deron if they trade both Bynum/Gasol

aint just happening...Fcuking they can accept Lopez/wallace/2 1st rounder but from Lakers they want both Gasol/Bynum

FCUK YOU OTIS

[Story Up]

If Lakers had Lamar i would have pulled the trigger mega fast. Remember Lakers went to the Finals with Lamar Kobe and Gasol. And the reason we lost was cause our bigs were soft as hell in particular Gasol.

BUT Lakers would be giving up too much 20 rebounds and about 36 pts(with Lamar gone). I just dont understand why Magic would even want Gasol??? Hes 31 and is locked for 3 more yrs.
Exactly.

[G-Funk]

If Lakers had Lamar i would have pulled the trigger mega fast. Remember Lakers went to the Finals with Lamar Kobe and Gasol. And the reason we lost was cause our bigs were soft as hell in particular Gasol.

BUT Lakers would be giving up too much 20 rebounds and about 36 pts(with Lamar gone). I just dont understand why Magic would even want Gasol??? Hes 31 and is locked for 3 more yrs.

Lakers need to get some players with that TPE fast so they can move them to Magic or fill the PF position if that trade does occur LAKERS also need to ask for there best pgs back.

[AMISTILLILL]

Is Rashard Lewis a free-agent or still with the Magic?

I mean, Lakers should have used him if he's a free-agent so I would do that trade just for D.Howard and get R.Lewis in free-agency.

...do you live in a cave? :facepalm

[Kobe681]

If Lakers had Lamar i would have pulled the trigger mega fast. Remember Lakers went to the Finals with Lamar Kobe and Gasol. And the reason we lost was cause our bigs were soft as hell in particular Gasol.

BUT Lakers would be giving up too much 20 rebounds and about 36 pts(with Lamar gone). I just dont understand why Magic would even want Gasol??? Hes 31 and is locked for 3 more yrs.

Would you do it if they included Glen Davis (or Hedo, :facepalm ) and then the lakers used their trade exceptions to fill out the rest of the roster?

We have Sashas and Odoms TEs. We can pick up a nice PG with that.

[Gundress]

If Lakers get Dwight, they might as well get Deron too, because Nets will fall apart.

Howard is just profitable, and has like soooooooooo much potential that he doesn't know about, because Orlando has been raping him hard his whole career.


:oldlol: :oldlol:

[AMISTILLILL]

Would you do it if they included Glen Davis (or Hedo, :facepalm ) and then the lakers used their trade exceptions to fill out the rest of the roster?

We have Sashas and Odoms TEs. We can pick up a nice PG with that.

You can't combine TE's.

[niko]

Why wouldn't the Lakers do this? No, you don't give in right away but you certainly do. You get the best center in the league, put him with Kobe and go to war. When Kobe is gone, you'll still have Howard. Win all around.

Laker fans really overvalue their players. What are you saving Bynum and Gasol for? Feel married to that 2nd rd exit you have coming?

[NBA2k-Monster23]

If Lakers get Dwight, they might as well get Deron too, because Nets will fall apart.

Howard is just profitable, and has like soooooooooo much potential that he doesn't know about, because Orlando has been raping him hard his whole career.

I agree with you 100%. If the lakers get Dwight, CP3 or Deron is coming. That's if they have to wait and go into free agency one of them are coming.

[JohnnyWall]

http://i.imgur.com/1sWD7.jpg

[Dizzle-2k7]

:oldlol:

HELL NA you dont give up 2 7 foot all stars for dwight. magic trying to hit the lotto with this shlt

[DuMa]

My source knew this since friday

[R.I.P.]

damn, as much as it sucks to do the Lakers have to pull the trigger on this.

You dont pass up on a franchise center like Dwight. you just dont.

I know it sounds crazy, but does he stay in the summer?

I mean Kobe, Fisher, Artest, Walton, McRoberts. You

[hoopaddict08]

I understand Gasol is a very good player but he is going to start declining fairly soon if he hasn't already. With that said, why is he still so valuable? This guys name is included in deals for arguably the best point-guard in the league and without question the best center in the league.

If I'm the Lakers, I pull the trigger. When Kobe retires and all you have left is Andrew Bynum, your going to look back and say....F*#K. Bynum is injury prone and will never be "the" guy on an elite team.

I'm not even a Laker fan and I would love to see Kobe and Howard. It's a lot better than Chris Paul and Kobe in my opinion.

[MJ(Mean John)]

Funny. Only way I would make deal is if we then turn around and trade that tpe for Lamar Odom. He is a good quality player that can easily start at pf for us and would fit perfectly next to Howard to space the floor.

[Gundress]

...do you live in a cave? :facepalm


:oldlol: oh sh!t....I f*cking forgot that he's on the Wizards team....:facepalm at me.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Why wouldn't the Lakers do this? No, you don't give in right away but you certainly do. You get the best center in the league, put him with Kobe and go to war. When Kobe is gone, you'll still have Howard. Win all around.

Laker fans really overvalue their players. What are you saving Bynum and Gasol for? Feel married to that 2nd rd exit you have coming?

before that they went 3 straight years to the championship finals...

[NBA2k-Monster23]

Why wouldn't the Lakers do this? No, you don't give in right away but you certainly do. You get the best center in the league, put him with Kobe and go to war. When Kobe is gone, you'll still have Howard. Win all around.

Laker fans really overvalue their players. What are you saving Bynum and Gasol for? Feel married to that 2nd rd exit you have coming?

I agree Dwight is going to be great for along time. Then you will still have a slight edge over the heat and a couple of other teams because they don't have a center who can put up 30 to 25ppg.

[PrimeJohnnyDepp]

Yeah just offer the Nets Artest and Walton. :facepalm

I mean next year.

Anyhow, I don't think many Laker fans even like Gasol and Bynum. Bynum is cool, but a bit out there, i don't think he has a fan. Gasol is weird. Anyhow, enragement of a Laker fanbase is a myth. Just make the damn trade.

[Real Men Wear Green]

It'd be a good move for LA long-term but it'd be hard to fill out the roster in the 1 or two great years Bryant may have left. If I'm running the Lakers and am assured Howard signs I'd do it but that's because I don't see the current Lakers defeating Dallas or OKC. That last trade was ODumb and has firmly placed them behind the WC elite.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Funny. Only way I would make deal is if we then turn around and trade that tpe for Lamar Odom. He is a good quality player that can easily start at pf for us and would fit perfectly next to Howard to space the floor.

lol aint happening....Dallas is not stupid as Mitch/Jim Buss

[R.I.P.]

I agree with you 100%. If the lakers get Dwight, CP3 or Deron is coming. That's if they have to wait and go into free agency one of them are coming.

I know Salary Cap issues can be complex, but seriously people, if you are a sports fan, that can start a computer and log onto the internet you should have at least a basic understanding of how it works. :facepalm

[Sarcastic]

If you want to make an omelette, you gotta break some eggs.

[Story Up]

I'd much rather have Paul, Bynum and Bryant then Howard and Bryant.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

If you want to make an omelette, you gotta break some eggs.

HOLY SH1T...we got an EINSTEIN here folks :cheers:

[NBA2k-Monster23]

I know Salary Cap issues can be complex, but seriously people, if you are a sports fan, that can start a computer and log onto the internet you should have at least a basic understanding of how it works. :facepalm

So you mean to tell me CP3 or Deron wouldn't take a paycut to come and play with Dwight and Kobe. Yeah okay. Trust me if they tell the Lakers they would like to sign there in the summer. The lakers will make moves so it's possible.

[Kobe681]

You can't combine TE's.

My bad, I didnt mean to combine them. But one of them is 5 mil, and the other is almost 9. you can pick up some solid players with that.

[guy]

So you mean to tell me CP3 or Deron wouldn't take a paycut to come and play with Dwight and Kobe. Yeah okay. Trust me if they tell the Lakers they would like to sign there in the summer. The lakers will make moves so it's possible.

Pretty sure if they signed to the MLE next year, they'd be giving up almost $100 million over the contract.

[Kobe681]

The point here is this:

You get Howard. Worry about the rest later. Thats it....

[R.I.P.]

So you mean to tell me CP3 or Deron wouldn't take a paycut to come and play with Dwight and Kobe. Yeah okay. Trust me if they tell the Lakers they would like to sign there in the summer. The lakers will make moves so it's possible.

Sure they do, but not 65 million dollars over 5 years. You can only offer them the MLE. Dallas and Boston will be able to offer max deals.

[Allstar24]

Otis Smith is one delusional Laker hater. He expects us to give up 2 bigs, proven champs who have been to 3 straight finals, for Dwight? Get the f*ck outta here. Enjoy being a lottery team with Brook Lopez. For once, Jim Buss' fascination with Bynum will benefit the Lakers.

[Haymaker]

I'd much rather have Paul, Bynum and Bryant then Howard and Bryant.

It's more effective to build upon a big man than a PG. Plus, let's not forget CP3 still have that bad knee that could pose a problem in the long term.

[widowmaker]

Do it. You got to deal with the short term struggles to get a star like howard in la.

[NBA2k-Monster23]

This would be my trade scenario and everybody gets good.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7v9pacz

[niko]

before that they went 3 straight years to the championship finals...
yes you did. Go talk to the Spurs fans. For five years now they've been crowing they are still contenders. You can be like that, pretending you are still going to win titles, instead of accepting you may need changes to retool for a few more.

[AMISTILLILL]

Waste what's left of Kobe while the front office struggles to surround Dwight with an adequate supporting cast? Are Kobe fans even willing to do that for a shot at relevance for the next 7 or 8 years?

[Kobe681]

Do it. You got to deal with the short term struggles to get a star like howard in la.

That's what I'm saying. I can handle a year, maybe two of 2nd round exits. I trust my teams front office to be competent *and* build a great team around Howard.

[PrimeJohnnyDepp]

What's underrated here is how great of a guy Howard is actually. He genuenly doesn't know where to turn, he wants to be in Orlando but deep down he knows they irrevocably suck.

he'd have a great mentor in Kobe.

He also knows how decadent it appears to be to have fun in LA, but why wouldn't he have fun in life. why not make a commercial with Robert Rodriguez, or what ever. LA just gets things done. It's not about fans, it's about your place, and you shouldn't shy away from your place. LA is what you make of it, just be honest, you're a great guy, you can do whatever.

[Kurosawa0]

For once, Jim Buss' fascination with Bynum will benefit the Lakers.

Yeah, it'll leaving you twisting in the wind while the Nets and Clippers walk away with the best point guard and center in the league.

[Haymaker]

he'd have a great mentor in Kobe.

There's also a possibility of Jabbar working with him. I'd say it's a good move, and LA will gain a bona-fide star to build their team around, and the best C in the league to boot.

[NBA2k-Monster23]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Privately, Portland believes Gerald Wallace has evolved into Blazer "heart and soul" and are hesitant to move him for picks and cap space.
1 hour ago

[Kobr]

Sure they do, but not 65 million dollars over 5 years. You can only offer them the MLE. Dallas and Boston will be able to offer max deals.

even after they shed Gasol and Bynum's contracts? I know Kobe and Dwight would take up a lot of cap but if they amnestied someone like Artest could they make room for a CP3 or DWill?

[Kurosawa0]

even after they shed Gasol and Bynum's contracts? I know Kobe and Dwight would take up a lot of cap but if they amnestied someone like Artest could they make room for a CP3 or DWill?

Next season Kobe is going to take up virtually half of the cap by himself. There would be no way to sign Paul with Howard already there.

[LA.MJ&KB#1]

Orlando is doing what they should be doing " asking for Bynum and Gasol" that just to get the bid started. Now, Lakers will come back with Bynum + picks,fillers plus money.

The way I see thing working out if the lakers feel they can't get Paul, then ask orlando to give us DH and Nelson. I would do that deal. See both team are going to play head games with each other.

In closing I would like to see Paul,Kobe,Bynum,Artest and ??? before give up two bigs

[Kurosawa0]

Now, Lakers will come back with Bynum + picks,fillers plus money.

New Jersey's offer is better than that. At least they get two good players and get to dump a ton in salary.

[JohnnyWall]

Next season Kobe is going to take up virtually half of the cap by himself. There would be no way to sign Paul with Howard already there.

http://i.imgur.com/IrDnT.jpg

If they amnestied Ron Artest and lose the Pau and Bynum contracts, wouldn't they have space? Howard makes, what, $19M next year?

Dirk Nowitzki is making like $20M+/year for the next 3 years, how would it be so easy for the Mavs to supposedly sign Dwight and Deron?

[Allstar24]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Orlando has ended trade talks for Dwight Howard, league sources tell Y! Sports.
:oldlol:

[PejaNowitzki]

Otis Smith is one delusional Laker hater. He expects us to give up 2 bigs, proven champs who have been to 3 straight finals, for Dwight? Get the f*ck outta here. Enjoy being a lottery team with Brook Lopez. For once, Jim Buss' fascination with Bynum will benefit the Lakers.


Please. Bynum is injured more often than not and Gasol is ready for a steep decline. If I'm the Lakers I happily take this deal, suck it up for a year, try and sign Deron Williams or Chris Paul next year and move on from there.

[NBA2k-Monster23]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Orlando has ended trade talks for Dwight Howard, league source tell Y! Sports.
11 seconds ago

[pegasus]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Orlando has ended trade talks for Dwight Howard, league sources tell Y! Sports.

They wanna amnesty him instead. I think that's very moronic, because they have already used that on Arenas:hammerhead:

[Kurosawa0]

If they amnestied Ron Artest and lose the Pau and Bynum contracts, wouldn't they have space? Howard makes, what, $19M next year?

Dirk Nowitzki is making like $20M+/year for the next 3 years, how would it be so easy for the Mavs to supposedly sign Dwight and Deron?

Kobe + Howard would end up being like $48 milllion of the $58 million cap. Chris Paul isn't coming for that remain $10 million. The amount of money he would have to give up in a deal like that would be more than he would've given up to go to the Knicks.

The only way a team like the Lakers or Mavs could add BOTH Dwight and Paul/Deron is to trade for them.

Miami had to clear everyone off their roster except for Mario Chalmers to sign Wade, Bosh and LeBron. None of them were getting Kobe or Dirk money at the start.

[brownmamba00]

This would be my trade scenario and everybody gets good.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7v9pacz
Swap Scola with Martin and it's a done deal:pimp:

[Kurosawa0]

As long as Orlando believes they have a shot at resigning Dwight, they're not letting him go.

[LA.MJ&KB#1]

ESPN just reported that the NO officials say they've excused Chris Paul from a normally mandatory preseason media event.

Is this to keep CP quite or NO knows where CP is headed. I believe the something is about to happen.

[ihatetimthomas]

I think its a lot, but I would pull the trigger. The Lakers have a chance to get a legitimate franchise player and the best big man in the game. He is also still very young and the most durable player in the game which is amazing for his style of play above the rim.

This is the last year we can really trade Gasol and get value. His contract is huge and as he ages, he will be more difficult to get talent for.

Bynum has knees that I feel will just not hold up. No big man in the history of the game who has missed as many games as him due to injury has ever rebounded and magically became a player who plays every game in the season.

I love Gasol's game and trading 2 legitimate big men away sounds crazy, but I am thinking about the next 5 years. I am not sure it would improve our squad this season because we lose so much but I think we are better off for the future of the team. Instead of being stuck with two bloated deals in the near future with Gasol and Kobe, we would at least still have a player in his prime.

When you have the chance to get a legit franchise player, you get it.

[NBA2k-Monster23]

ESPN just reported that the NO officials say they've excused Chris Paul from a normally mandatory preseason media event.

Is this to keep CP quite or NO knows where CP is headed. I believe the something is about to happen.


I feel the same way.

[bagelred]

Lakers are insane if they don't do it. Or just ask for Ryan Anderson in the deal or something.....get a talent back.

Getting Howard is as much a long term move as well as short term. You can always restock in July with free agents.

[Kobe681]

Lakers are insane if they don't do it. Or just ask for Ryan Anderson in the deal or something.....get a talent back.

Getting Howard is as much a long term move as well as short term. You can always restock in July with free agents.

You just want him out of the East.... lol :D

[Kurosawa0]

Lakers are insane if they don't do it. Or just ask for Ryan Anderson in the deal or something.....get a talent back.

Getting Howard is as much a long term move as well as short term. You can always restock in July with free agents.

When you have a shot at the best center in the league, you do the deal and figure the rest out later.

The only guys in the league I wouldn't trade for Howard are LeBron, Rose, Durant and Blake.

[DirtySanchez]

Bynum and Gasol? HELL NO!

[brownmamba00]

I think its a lot, but I would pull the trigger. The Lakers have a chance to get a legitimate franchise player and the best big man in the game. He is also still very young and the most durable player in the game which is amazing for his style of play above the rim.

This is the last year we can really trade Gasol and get value. His contract is huge and as he ages, he will be more difficult to get talent for.

Bynum has knees that I feel will just not hold up. No big man in the history of the game who has missed as many games as him due to injury has ever rebounded and magically became a player who plays every game in the season.

I love Gasol's game and trading 2 legitimate big men away sounds crazy, but I am thinking about the next 5 years. I am not sure it would improve our squad this season because we lose so much but I think we are better off for the future of the team. Instead of being stuck with two bloated deals in the near future with Gasol and Kobe, we would at least still have a player in his prime.

When you have the chance to get a legit franchise player, you get it.

Agreed as I much as Bynum is my fav. Laker at the moment, I really don't think he's gonna stay healthy.

I would pull the trigger if we're not taking Hedo's contract on. Anderson+Dwight for Bynum+Pau:pimp:

[bagelred]

You just want him out of the East.... lol :D

LOL........sssssssssssshhhhhhhhh.................. .......:cheers:

True, but doesn't mean I'm wrong. :D

[guy]

I think its a lot, but I would pull the trigger. The Lakers have a chance to get a legitimate franchise player and the best big man in the game. He is also still very young and the most durable player in the game which is amazing for his style of play above the rim.

This is the last year we can really trade Gasol and get value. His contract is huge and as he ages, he will be more difficult to get talent for.

Bynum has knees that I feel will just not hold up. No big man in the history of the game who has missed as many games as him due to injury has ever rebounded and magically became a player who plays every game in the season.

I love Gasol's game and trading 2 legitimate big men away sounds crazy, but I am thinking about the next 5 years. I am not sure it would improve our squad this season because we lose so much but I think we are better off for the future of the team. Instead of being stuck with two bloated deals in the near future with Gasol and Kobe, we would at least still have a player in his prime.

When you have the chance to get a legit franchise player, you get it.

Well said. Another thing people don't seem to realize is that without trading for Howard, the Lakers have NO other way to get him. Its not like the Melo situation where they could sign him outright in the offseason. Because of that, the Magic do have some leverage. And if they are willing to risk letting him walk for nothing or take the Nets deal instead of settling for a Lakers deal that only includes Bynum, which I think there's a very good chance that is the case, then the Lakers' future looks very bleak.

[R.I.P.]

http://i.imgur.com/IrDnT.jpg



Dirk Nowitzki is making like $20M+/year for the next 3 years, how would it be so easy for the Mavs to supposedly sign Dwight and Deron?

They

[NBA2k-Monster23]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Magic decided to take Dwight Howard off market, ending talks with Nets and the rest of his NBA suitors for now, league sources tell Y!
1 minute ago

[DuMa]

if Lakers dont get Howard by XMAS, and Bynum plays. Say Bynum gets hurt in the first 2-3 months before the trading deadline, which is likely given his past. Theres no way Lakers can trade this guy.

So essentially if the Lakers dont get Howard in the next 11 days, Theyre not getting him at all.

[LA.MJ&KB#1]

I think its a lot, but I would pull the trigger. The Lakers have a chance to get a legitimate franchise player and the best big man in the game. He is also still very young and the most durable player in the game which is amazing for his style of play above the rim.

This is the last year we can really trade Gasol and get value. His contract is huge and as he ages, he will be more difficult to get talent for.

Bynum has knees that I feel will just not hold up. No big man in the history of the game who has missed as many games as him due to injury has ever rebounded and magically became a player who plays every game in the season.

I love Gasol's game and trading 2 legitimate big men away sounds crazy, but I am thinking about the next 5 years. I am not sure it would improve our squad this season because we lose so much but I think we are better off for the future of the team. Instead of being stuck with two bloated deals in the near future with Gasol and Kobe, we would at least still have a player in his prime.

When you have the chance to get a legit franchise player, you get it.

I agree with you, but if we let both bigs go then i would also try to trade Kobe to get Deron williams or Chris Paul now plus any other upgrades to help the team. I know KB has a trade clauds. I'm going to get shot behind this statement.:facepalm

[JohnnyWall]

Agreed as I much as Bynum is my fav. Laker at the moment, I really don't think he's gonna stay healthy.

I would pull the trigger if we're not taking Hedo's contract on. Anderson+Dwight for Bynum+Pau:pimp:

Yeah. Trade Bynum+Gasol for Dwight, and use the Vujacic TPE on Anderson. Then the Lakers would still have that $8.9M TPE from Odom to acquire a good PG.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]They

[rigor]

I love how most people feel Gasol for Dwight is fair (it's actually not), but then the deal is no longer fair when you throw in a very injury prone Bynum. Are you KIDDING ME ? With D12, we're talking about a guy who is always a strong MVP candidate and the ONLY dude to EVER win Defensive Player of the Year 3 times in a row!! But no, it's not a fair deal when you have to include Bynum, who misses 50% of the season every year.

They lost Odom in a separate trade; you can't look at this any longer that it took the Lakers trading all 3 of their big men to get Dwight.

[All Net]

That wouldn't be a smart trade.

[brownmamba00]

Yeah. Trade Bynum+Gasol for Dwight, and use the Vujacic TPE on Anderson. Then the Lakers would still have that $8.9M TPE from Odom to acquire a good PG.
Still need a starting-calibre PF tho. But they're easy to get so no problems there. Maybe try to get the Rockets involved. Get Scola?

XXX/Fish
Kobe/Green
Metta/Barnes
XXX/Anderson/McR
Dwight/McR

:bowdown:

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

if Lakers dont get Howard by XMAS, and Bynum plays. Say Bynum gets hurt in the first 2-3 months before the trading deadline, which is likely given his past. Theres no way Lakers can trade this guy.

So essentially if the Lakers dont get Howard in the next 11 days, Theyre not getting him at all.

lol or he can start putting up # like 20/10 you can have D12 for Bynum + picks

its how you see it

[HurricaneKid]

LOL at all the Laker fans that are demanding Hedo and his NBA worst contract be included in the deal.

[LA.MJ&KB#1]

LOL at all the Laker fans that are demanding Hedo and his NBA worst contract be included in the deal.

I don't want Hedo contract at all.

[NBA2k-Monster23]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Y! Sources: The Orlando Magic end trade discussions for Dwight Howard, plan to start the season with him in the lineup. http://tinyurl.com/d837d4w
2 minutes ago

[R.I.P.]

lol if you think KOBE is going to restructure his deal

Doesn

[JohnnyWall]

http://i.imgur.com/t8C1F.jpg

Trade Bynum+Gasol for Dwight, use the Odom $8.9M TPE to take Jameer. Comes to $57.513M after shedding Bynum+Gasol, add Dwight+Jameer for a total of $84.213M. Amnesty Artest's $6.8M for a total of $77.413M and renegotiate Kobe's contract for up to the max allowed (40%); meaning they could bring the payroll down to $67.33M.

Matt Barnes, Ebanks and Caracter contracts (totaling $3.477M) also expire next year. And if Fisher retires and they somehow get rid of Steve Blake and Luke Walton, maybe through separate trades...

[guy]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]They

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

http://i.imgur.com/t8C1F.jpg

Trade Bynum+Gasol for Dwight, use the Odom $8.9M TPE to take Jameer. Comes to $57.513M after shedding Bynum+Gasol, add Dwight+Jameer for a total of $84.213M. Amnesty Artest's $6.8M for a total of $77.413M and renegotiate Kobe's contract for up to the max allowed (40%); meaning they could bring the payroll down to $67.33M.

Matt Barnes, Ebanks and Caracter contracts (totaling $3.477M) also expire next year. And if Fisher retires and they somehow get rid of Steve Blake and Luke Walton, maybe through separate trades...

lakers do not need that MIDGET Nelson....I would prefer Hedo over him

[AMISTILLILL]

Lots of people ignoring the fact that Dwight's been taken off the market now.

[R.I.P.]

I didn't realize thats what the restructuring provision was. How exactly is that good for small-market teams? Doesn't that just mean large market teams can easily stay on top as there star players get older?

Sure.Teams that have superstars at the tailend of their career, who are willing to sacrifice a few million dollars can use that "loophole" to their advantage. Without that loophole it would be nearly impossible for the Mavs to create the capspace for Dwight and Deron. Now they have enough to also keep Marion, Beaubois and Jones.

[LA_Showtime]

If we don't have to take back Hedo or another shitty contract I'd probably do it at this point. It'd clear some money off the books and give us more flexibility down the road.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Lots of people ignoring the fact that Dwight's been taken off the market now.

you clearly dont know how negotions work do u?

[AMISTILLILL]

you clearly dont know how negotions work do u?

Oh, gee, I don't. Please enlighten me.

The point is he's off the market for now. Until he's back on the market, conjecturing about it is pointless. I get that you and your fan base are desperately hitting the panic button but all the obnoxious trade scenarios are starting to blend together.

[outbreak]

Dwight to la should include rockets if it happened. Magic get bynum, martin, scola rockets get pau, lakers get howard and turk. I believe magic wouk hold him until next season now

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Oh, gee, I don't. Please enlighten me.

The point is he's off the market for now. Until he's back on the market, conjecturing about it is pointless. I get that you and your fan base are desperately hitting the panic button but all the obnoxious trade scenarios are starting to blend together.

lol atleast I am not panicking....I trust LA front office...fcuking turned Kwame into Pau...

cook into Ariza

[AMISTILLILL]

lol atleast I am not panicking....I trust LA front office...fcuking turned Kwame into Pau...

cook into Ariza

It's not 2008. That's like me saying Ainge is going to parlay KG/Ray/Pierce into Blake/Wade/LeBron simply because of what he's done in the past.

[talkingconch]

Lots of people ignoring the fact that Dwight's been taken off the market now.

Looks like a smokescreen for now. There is no way Dwight is happy about that decision.

I mean, do they actually plan to have Dwight giving his 100% during the season? lol not to mention the media craze that will be on his ass day after day after every game

[LoPro4u2c]

Lakers should only do this deal if they make a play at Kevin Love(last year of his rookie contract) next year. Instead of sending that $8.9 million trade exception to Orlando, they use that to sign Love to 5 years, $45 million contract on the offseason. Trade Bynum and Gasol for Dwight right now and don't worry about what happens this year. Next year the Lakers should have a Love/Dwight frontcourt which is way better than Bynum/Gasol.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

LOL at all the Laker fans that are demanding Hedo and his NBA worst contract be included in the deal.
who hell is demanding hedo?

[AMISTILLILL]

Looks like a smokescreen for now. There is no way Dwight is happy about that decision.

How exactly is there "no way"? He's been backpedaling from trade demands for the past few days and has given every indication that he wants a more pronounced role in Orlando's decision-making. He bluffed, Orlando listened. He isn't LeBron and he's extremely beaten up over the idea of leaving.

Kobe demanded trades too and you saw how that panned out. It's not as if demanding a trade automatically cements your future elsewhere.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Lakers should only do this deal if they make a play at Kevin Love(last year of his rookie contract) next year. Instead of sending that $8.9 million trade exception to Orlando, they use that to sign Love to 5 years, $45 million contract on the offseason. Trade Bynum and Gasol for Dwight right now and don't worry about what happens this year. Next year the Lakers should have a Love/Dwight frontcourt which is way better than Bynum/Gasol.

is he restricted or unrestricted?

[LoPro4u2c]

is he restricted or unrestricted?

Restricted.

[NBA2k-Monster23]

Marc stein has confirmed.

ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Sources confirm Yahoo! report that Magic has taken Dwight Howard off trade market and ceased all talks with Nets and other interested teams
1 minute ago

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Lots of people ignoring the fact that Dwight's been taken off the market now.
If you can't get over this fact, I'd leave the forum until the season starts.

[AMISTILLILL]

If you can't get over this fact, I'd leave the forum until the season starts.

Mentioning it is comparable to not getting over it... got it.

[Swaggin916]

Yea ill trade em for howard ts year see what happens and then make a play for fa next year get d will or paul or love anf somebody else. That would not be bad imo. Kobe and howard could be enough if others jus have career years ad well as them. They would yave to give us others tho to make it work unless it wad a three team deal. I would take jameer nelson,

[AMISTILLILL]

Yea ill trade em for howard ts year see what happens and then make a play for fa next year get d will or paul or love anf somebody else. That would not be bad imo. Kobe and howard could be enough if others jus have career years ad well as them. They would yave to give us others tho to make it work unless it wad a three team deal. I would take jameer nelson,

Just like that, huh?

[Lakerlove420]

Anyhow, I don't think many Laker fans even like Gasol and Bynum. Bynum is cool, but a bit out there, i don't think he has a fan. Gasol is weird. Anyhow, enragement of a Laker fanbase is a myth. Just make the damn trade.

don't know what you are talking about.
(of course they both pretty much sucked ass last post-season
kinda lost it a little bit..)
but do not mistake.. Los Angeles LOVES Pau Gasol(>)& Bynum too..of course.
people say he's soft.. he's weird...nah fella..
he ain't weird... and he ain't soft bro.
people say Laker fans over-rate our players.. well, please at least do not under-rate them.
Los Angeles knows the kind of talent these guys bring and we do not take that for granted.
No f*ckin way.. we love those guys out here. I don't think a Laker fan out here
would disagree with this ^^^^

but still I am torn.. I see the whole get Dwight now and figure ish out later

but damn.. I definitely share that horrible feeling in my stomach when we talk of of LOSING ALL THREE..
say it ain't so Mitch :(

[LA_Showtime]

Everyone loves Bynum and Gasol. They both helped the Lakers win two championships. But if a good trade comes along, this is ultimately a business. I do think the players should be given a courtesy call though.

[Kobe681]

I love how most people feel Gasol for Dwight is fair (it's actually not), but then the deal is no longer fair when you throw in a very injury prone Bynum. Are you KIDDING ME ? With D12, we're talking about a guy who is always a strong MVP candidate and the ONLY dude to EVER win Defensive Player of the Year 3 times in a row!! But no, it's not a fair deal when you have to include Bynum, who misses 50% of the season every year.

They lost Odom in a separate trade; you can't look at this any longer that it took the Lakers trading all 3 of their big men to get Dwight.

Of course its not fair. Unless you're getting back another franchise player, you will never get equal/fair return on Howard. But this is probably the best option for the Magic considering Dwight has to agree to an extension to whatever team he will get traded to.

No one is saying that Gasol and Bynum will equal Dwight, but its a hell of a lot better than what the Nets are offering or letting him walk for nothing....

[iDefend5]

Lakers are not going to trade Bynum AND Gasol unless they get two stars. They are not going to trade those two for one star especially since they sent Odom to Dallas.

[talkingconch]

Lakers are not going to trade Bynum AND Gasol unless they get two stars. They are going to trade those two for one especially since they sent Odom to Dallas.

:wtf:

[Swaggin916]

Of course its not fair. Unless you're getting back another franchise player, you will never get equal/fair return on Howard. But this is probably the best option for the Magic considering Dwight has to agree to an extension to whatever team he will get traded to.

No one is saying that Gasol and Bynum will equal Dwight, but its a hell of a lot better than what the Nets are offering or letting him walk for nothing....


I say bynum and gasol = dwight.. When they are healthy. Dwight and pau are about as effecitve offensively and bynum makes up the defensive difference. Also pau can step in at center so one of them is always on the floor so it really works to our advantage. For a team who could get nothing, i dont see why we need to give them something that may be overvaluing the product we recieve. This is dwight howard not prime shaq, and we traded basically a prime shaq for shit compared to what we would be giving away for dwight.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Well it seems that the Lakers aint going anywhere with or without Dwight.

[iDefend5]

:wtf:
I forgot to add a not in the second sentence. The Lakers may change their mind if there is a team that is willing to give them a good player in a 3-4 team trade for Howard. I really doubt this is going to be a straight up LA-Orlando deal if the Lakers do get Howard.

[rigor]

Lakers are not going to trade Bynum AND Gasol unless they get two stars. They are not going to trade those two for one star especially since they sent Odom to Dallas.

:facepalm:

Why would this be ? Gasol is a star, Bynum is nothing more than "this kid could be great... but he misses half or more of the season every year".

[Allstar24]

MagicInsider Brian Schmitz
Magic trying to smoke out L.A. with Nets trade tease. Lakers didn't bite. Magic want PGasol and ABynum for DHoward. Now what? Wait.
:oldlol: I figured the Lakers weren't stupid enough to fall for it...nobody bought for a second that they would trade DH for Brook Lopez...other than Nets fans.

[Scholar]

Lakers are not going to trade Bynum AND Gasol unless they get two stars. They are not going to trade those two for one star especially since they sent Odom to Dallas.

:facepalm
If Lakers were willing to let go of Odom for practically nothing, who says they won't do a two for one trade?
It's better than one for nothing.

[Mr.Magic_1]

itt frogs talking to each other

[talkingconch]

:oldlol: I figured the Lakers weren't stupid enough to fall for it...nobody bought for a second that they would trade DH for Brook Lopez...other than Nets fans.

this, can't believe Nets fans actually think Dwight might go to brooklyn for Brook Lopez.

[longtime lurker]

If if Gasol and Bynum are heading to Orlando then Ryan Anderson and Jameer are coming back the other way no questions asked. Turkulo's bum ass can also stay in Orlando. Lakers are handing them a championship front court. No need for a rebuild, no need to tank and they always flip Gasol for more assets.

[NBA2k-Monster23]

this, can't believe Nets fans actually think Dwight might go to brooklyn for Brook Lopez.

That's why I believe the Lakers aren't going to make any moves they know for a fact it's the right time to trade for Dwight. The Lakers don't want to give up Pau and Bynum. They hope the Magic will fall for Bynum and they use Gasol to build a package to get CP3 or Deron Williams.


This will be a wait and see show.

[outbreak]

If if Gasol and Bynum are heading to Orlando then Ryan Anderson and Jameer are coming back the other way no questions asked. Turkulo's bum ass can also stay in Orlando. Lakers are handing them a championship front court. No need for a rebuild, no need to tank and they always flip Gasol for more assets.

Doubt that man. Handed them a championship front court? Sorry where was the Lakers championship with that front court last season? Why do you want to get rid of such an incredible front court in the first place then?

[ConanRulesNBC]

Lakers are idiots for not doing this trade. Even if you don't compete for a title this season, you sign Dwight and he becomes the "man" on the team when Kobe settles down. Plus, Kobe still has a good 2 or 3 all-star seasons left so you would just have to find the right role players and build around those two. Get Dwight right now and then sign CP3 during the offseason. Then they would just have to sign a decent power forward. Matt Barnes is good enough to start at SF on a team with CP3, Kobe and Dwight.

[The Choken One]

I can't believe they aren't pulling the trigger. There has to be something we don't know then.

They could also be looking at their roster after the trade...it'd be like Kobe and Dwight. That's it. And with no pieces to really trade, and I'm assuming no cap space to make a good signing, the Lakers wouldn't exactly be in good shape.

[G-train]

I'd probably do this from a Laker POV if they got Jameer back.

Jameer
kobe
ron/whoever
Mcbob
Howard

nice 5

[outbreak]

This is assuming they didn't offer that and orlando were the ones turning it down. Everything i've read seems Orlando are intent on not moving him until mid season if at all.

[brownmamba00]

I can't believe they aren't pulling the trigger. There has to be something we don't know then.

They could also be looking at their roster after the trade...it'd be like Kobe and Dwight. That's it. And with no pieces to really trade, and I'm assuming no cap space to make a good signing, the Lakers wouldn't exactly be in good shape.
The Lakers still have 2 Trade Exceptions and still can get a nice PF&PG with those.

As long as LA doesn't take on Hedo's contract, I'm all for this trade.

PULL THE TRIGGER JIM!

[alanLA92]

Lakers should just go and reopen a deal to get CP3.

Either that or find a way to get Howard by just trading Bynum and assets. Rockets could also try and get Gasol from the Lakers so LA can use him to get Scola and role players.

[alanLA92]

This is assuming they didn't offer that and orlando were the ones turning it down. Everything i've read seems Orlando are intent on not moving him until mid season if at all.

Either way, a LA-ORL trade will be discussed then anyways. Which can either help or hurt the Lakers' chances at trading for Howard without including Gasol.

[TheGreatDeraj]

I can't believe they aren't pulling the trigger. There has to be something we don't know then.

They could also be looking at their roster after the trade...it'd be like Kobe and Dwight. That's it. And with no pieces to really trade, and I'm assuming no cap space to make a good signing, the Lakers wouldn't exactly be in good shape.

In my opinion Lakers and Dwight Howard are waiting until cp3 gets traded. Lakers aren't trading for Howard unless they get cp3. Dwight wants to make sure he can't go to Lakers before he goes to nets/mavericks/wherever. I still think Lakers can get cp3/Howard as that is where they both want to play.

In my opinion Stern will let cp3 play for the Lakers he is holding out to get the best deal for the Hornets so the team can be sold for the highest price. Stern and the Owners are shrewd businessmen. This is all negotiation tactics IMO. Look at what they did during the lockout...this negotiation tactic nothing compared to that. Lakers just need to get another team to provide youth/cap space whatever Stern wants for the Hornets.

Lakers core will either be Kobe/Gasol/Howard or Kobe/cp3/dwight.

[Pointguard]

Orlando is feeling like you gave up the other good piece for nothing and we wanted two good pieces...