Cavs vs. Pistons Game Thread (stream inside)

[chips93]

kyrie irving, tristan thompson, and brandon knight make their long awaited debuts.

stream here:
http://www.firstrowsports.tv/watch/98162/1/watch-detroit-pistons-vs-cleveland-cavaliers.html

woooooooooooo mediocre basketball is back! i dont know where my life was wihtout charlie vilanueva.

:banana:

[EvanW]

Is NBATV working for anyone else? As soon as the show that came on before the game ended, I lost it. :lol

This blows. I wanted to see Irving.

[Harrison_Barnes]

Is Irving not playing? or just not starting?

[chips93]

ugly start so far. almost 2 minutes in, without a point.

the pistons using monroe a lot

irving, thompson, and knight all coming off the bench

[donald love]

Varejao already active everywhere around the paint. Love it.

[percolator]

the Palace is EMPTY

[donald love]

Is Irving not playing? or just not starting?
Manny Harris and omar casspi are NOT playing tonight.

[Harrison_Barnes]

Manny Harris and omar casspi are NOT playing tonight.
Alright, thanks!

[iDunk]

LOL, both teams suck so bad. Why is Frank starting Wilkins over the near 30 million dollar man. (Prince)

[percolator]

this is some ugly, ugly basketball

[chips93]

ugly start continues, 6 mins in and no sign of irving

varejao and parker look good, i think we should be able to flip those guys as well as jamison, to some contenders, for some good pieces later in the year.

[SAKOTXA]

So glad i picked Monroe up on fantasy bball. :D

[madmax]

both teams will once again be bottom feeders from the looks of things...the apparent lack of talent is outstanding

[donald love]

ugly start continues, 6 mins in and no sign of irving

varejao and parker look good, i think we should be able to flip those guys as well as jamison, to some contenders, for some good pieces later in the year.
Parker just signed a one year deal. But we can maybe get a draft pick for Tawn, depending if he stays healthy and produces. Which he will with all the playing time he'll get.

[Attila]

Knights in!

[percolator]

Knight is in

[donald love]

Who the hell just bricked that shot? I must know.

[EvanW]

Who the hell just bricked that shot? I must know.lol I saw that too. It was Austin Daye.

[percolator]

Who the hell just bricked that shot? I must know.

Austin Daye :cheers:

[alwaysunny]

Everyone looks rusty as hell

[chips93]

Parker just signed a one year deal. But we can maybe get a draft pick for Tawn, depending if he stays healthy and produces. Which he will with all the playing time he'll get.

why cant we trade parker this year? i think there should be a market for a smart 2-guard whos a great shooter and a good defender.

varejao is better than both of them imo, we should get something worthwhile for each of them

[EvanW]

Irving is in.

[donald love]

Kyrie and Tristan are in.

Lil Kyrie first shot was a dud :rolleyes:

[donald love]

why cant we trade parker this year? i think there should be a market for a smart 2-guard whos a great shooter and a good defender.

varejao is better than both of them imo, we should get something worthwhile for each of them
Bulls and Knicks had interest in Parker. I was always on board with the far afterthought of signing David Lighty..

Guess Eyenga or maybe Harris will slowly play into the 2.

Varejao is our best player. Shame he wont be playing at his natural position this year.

[Yung D-Will]

Kyrie is a fast player o.O

[bigdaddyfunk]

"They are loving it at the palace."

Lol

[WhySoInsecure?]

Pistons have no chemistry, jerebko busted his ass 2-3 times and his teammates just stared him down as he asked for help getting up

[UtahJazzFan88]

Does anyone actually care about basketball in Detroit anymore? There's like 1,000-2,000 people in the stands. The Jazz have sold out preseason games in the past few seasons at home...

[Nash]

So good to see Jonas Jerebko out there.

[donald love]

Pistons have no chemistry, jerebko busted his ass 2-3 times and his teammates just stared him down as he asked for help getting up
Look who your guy's coach is.

Starts with the head coach.

[christian1923]

This is WAY worse than even college basketball :wtf: :wtf:

[donald love]

Austin Daye :cheers:
Something about this Austin Daye.. I don't like about him. Trying to be a Stephen Curry.. lol.

[SAKOTXA]

Knight Vs. Irving. :cheers:

[Yung D-Will]

Brandon Knight is a really smart player. I'm gonna actually watch pistons games this year

[Harrison_Barnes]

Brandon Knight is a really smart player. I'm gonna actually watch pistons games this year

He's playing really well. :cheers:

[Bosnian Sajo]

Been a fan of Knight since he went to HS here in Florida, glad to see him killing it :cheers:

[TheBluest]

Knight is outplaying Irving thus far although it's early

[percolator]

Irving and Knight have both looked pretty good

Thompson was invisible out there

[Wiirdo]

Knight looks really good.:applause:

[Harrison_Barnes]

Kinda wish the Raptors would of took Knight when they had a chance.. but oh well Val looks good over in Europe too! :lol

[Meticode]

Go Cavaliers!

[Meticode]

Knight is looking really good.

[donald love]

Knight is outplaying Irving thus far although it's early
Meh, wouldn't say outplaying; both playing good. Already think both Knight and Irving can surpass Wall easily.

[Yung D-Will]

He's playing really well. :cheers:
More than anything I'm talking about his IQ. Look at the last 2 possesions for the pistons even though they didn't score on the first possession when he had the ball down the court he realized that the defense was already setting up so he slowed it down and tried to run a half court offense whiles on the second possesion he reconized quickly that the defense didn't completly set up so he penetrated. He just seems to have a great feel of the game

[Theoo's Daddy]

Brandon knight looking good out there. :bowdown:

[Meticode]

Nice looking mid-range shot from Irving.

[Harrison_Barnes]

More than anything I'm talking about his IQ. Look at the last 2 possesions for the pistons even though they didn't score on the first possession when he had the ball down the court he realized that the defense was already setting up so he slowed it down and tried to run a half court offense whiles on the second possesion he reconized quickly that the defense didn't completly set up so he penetrated. He just seems to have a great feel of the game

I completely agree with you, he just seems like a really smart player out on the floor. He doesn't seem to force his game at all.

[Meticode]

Harangody looking like a BOSS with the black knee high socks. :oldlol:

[PleezeBelieve]

Keep off balance Kyrie!!

[PleezeBelieve]

I had Knight on my Big Board before anyone else. Just saying....

[Yung D-Will]

Greg Monroe pulled a Z-Bo move


That is exactly the Z-Bo move actually

[Meticode]

Some nice passes from Irving, he's showing a little knack for attacking the basket too.

[PleezeBelieve]

Irving and Knight look REALLY good.

[Harrison_Barnes]

Wish Thompson was playing a bit better.. would like to see him do well.

[Meticode]

Irving and 1, nice fast break move from Irving.

[PleezeBelieve]

6'4 Magic out there!!

[madmax]

well, one thing is for sure - Irving is gonna be ROY:cheers:

[Harrison_Barnes]

Irving and 1, nice fast break move from Irving.
Irving is going to be dangerous in the fast break..

[chips93]

kyrie mfing irving :pimp:

started 0/3, hes 4/6 since with 14 points.

jesus, what happened tristan! fouled out in 3 mins!?

[Scoooter]

Did Tristan Thompson see the floor?

[Meticode]

Irving with 14 points in the first half, but 0-3 from three and 0 assists to 3 turnovers. He made some good passes in the lane.

[PleezeBelieve]

First off, Kyrie is a BEAST...

He looks like a better shooting Derrick Rose. All that cat wants is BUCKETS. He got to do a better job of getting his team in the offense but GOTDAMN bruh wants it!!

[Meticode]

Did Tristan Thompson see the floor?
Yes, he wasn't playing when I started watching, but ESPN shows he played 3 minutes and already got 6 fouls. :oldlol:

[DuMa]

first half observations:

kyrie looked okay. defense sucked. lots of turnovers too. he can penetrate and create his own shot already.

why didnt the cleveland starters get more burn?

why didnt ben wallace or tayshaun get any burn?
very good to see jerekbo back
knight looked good. i like his passing.
im not sure what the pistons are doing with their lineup to be honest.

[SpecialQue]

Varejao = GOD.

[DuMa]

jesus ben gordon looks horrible

[Gundress]

I just arrived home about 15 mins ago.

So how was Brandon Knight doing?

Who plays better? Brandon Knight or Kyrie Irving?

[Twiens]

Observations on TT?

[DJmicah]

jesus ben gordon looks horrible
he is...

[chips93]

Observations on TT?

3 mins. 6 fouls


I just arrived home about 15 mins ago.

So how was Brandon Knight doing?

Who plays better? Brandon Knight or Kyrie Irving?

knight has made some nice plays. playing withing himself. nothing amazing. better pg instincts than i had anticipated

irving played great in the second quarter scored 12 iirc, getting the to rim well. he hasny gotten any pt in the 3rd though

both looked good, irving a little better.

[Gundress]

I think Brandon Knight is a better PG but Kyrie Irving is a better scorer.

To me, Brandon Knight looks good, he knows what his job is.

[Gundress]

Brandon Knight>>>>Kryie Irving.

[chips93]

thompson playing well, with a lot of energy, hes got a noticeable hitch in his freethrow release though.

7 pts, 7 rebs, 3 blks in 20 mins

[UtahJazzFan88]

This Pistons team is pretty awful, but Knight + Monroe could be a really solid combo going forward.

[madmax]

Thompson looks very active under the boards and has a knack for drawing fouls too. Shooting is practically non-existant at this point though...

[Bosnian Sajo]

Hell yea! Go Detroit!!

[Theoo's Daddy]

This game is getting interesting towards the end. :cheers:

[JGXEN]

Monroe is very good man... Tristan Thompson is a great shotblocker and rebounder, but he can't shoot :lol

[Fiasco]

Would anyone else agree Brandon Knight has looked better than Irving tonight?

[Al Thornton]

the most exciting game i've seen since june.

[DuMa]

Samardo is pretty good. hes a load in that paint

[cavsfanatic]

Kyrie playing with no starters.
Knight playing with starters.
Tristan playing great in 2nd half.
Knight and Irving both playing good.

1st pre-season game and yall saying who better lmao.

[Bosnian Sajo]

I like that...like Knight and Daye :oldlol: creative!

[chips93]

Would anyone else agree Brandon Knight has looked better than Irving tonight?


knight has been better than irving for the whole game except the 2nd quarter, but overall i think irving has been better. he was great for that stretch in the second. knight has been very impressive though.

[Theoo's Daddy]

Monroe gave the game away. That was a nice pass from knight and he fumbled it away

[DuMa]

good game for bottom of the barrel NBA teams. but im still wondering why big ben and tayshaun didnt get any burn

[DJmicah]

Cleveland won but Brandon Knight was better than kyrie

[UtahJazzFan88]

good game for bottom of the barrel NBA teams. but im still wondering why big ben and tayshaun didnt get any burn

Tayshaun just signed a contract this week, probably didn't have enough time in camp and to get into shape yet and didn't want to chance it.

[hoopaddict08]

Kyrie playing with no starters.
Knight playing with starters.
Tristan playing great in 2nd half.
Knight and Irving both playing good.

1st pre-season game and yall saying who better lmao.

Technically Daye, Gordon, and Villanueva aren't starters.

[cavsfanatic]

I'll say who played better December 28th when they play in reg season.

[Theoo's Daddy]

Well i said this during the draft, Cavs should've drafted Kanter and knight. Irving and thompson will be pwned in this league. :oldlol:

[Meticode]

Irving had a solid debut for a rookie. 21 points, but most of those were on free throws which shows he has a knack for attacking the basket at least. A dismal 4-14 shooting effort. He missed all four of his three pointers. Had two steals, didn't take care of the basketball very well with 3 assists versus 5 turnovers with two steals and 6 rebounds.

As I said, solid first game for a rookie, what was most impressive was some of the passes he made as well as him attacking the basket.

[hoopaddict08]

Well i said this during the draft, Cavs should've drafted Kanter and knight. Irving and thompson will be pwned in this league. :oldlol:

Thompson isn't bad, but he isn't top five pick material. Even in a bad draft.

[cavsfanatic]

Technically Daye, Gordon, and Villanueva aren't starters.
Ok well I'll put it this way,

Irving
M Thompson (undrafted rookie)
C Eyenga
T Thompson
S Samuels

Knight
Gordon
Daye
Villanueva
Monroe


They play again Tuesday so hopefully kyrie get to play with Jamison,Varajeo etc

[UtahJazzFan88]

Well i said this during the draft, Cavs should've drafted Kanter and knight. Irving and thompson will be pwned in this league. :oldlol:

Knight wasn't going to be around if you guys drafted Kanter first unless Minnesota passed on Kyrie without trading the pick. He was 2nd on our board behind Kanter.

[Meticode]

Cleveland won but Brandon Knight was better than kyrie
Irving - 21 points, 4/14 FG, 0/4 3P, 13/15 FT, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 5 turnovers, 2 steals

Knight - 9 points, 3/9 FG, 1/2 3P, 2/2 FT, 2 rebounds, 4 assists, 4 turnovers, 1 steal

[Fiasco]

knight has been better than irving for the whole game except the 2nd quarter, but overall i think irving has been better. he was great for that stretch in the second. knight has been very impressive though.

Did Irving really only have 1 assist, though?

EDIT: NVM, thanks Meticode.

[Theoo's Daddy]

Knight wasn't going to be around if you guys drafted Kanter first unless Minnesota passed on Kyrie without trading the pick. He was 2nd on our board behind Kanter.

Should've picked Kanter with the 1st pick. Knight would've still been available. Minny were high on derrick williams and they knew rubio was coming over. They were drafting another top 10 PG.

[Theoo's Daddy]

Irving - 21 points, 4/14 FG, 0/4 3P, 13/15 FT, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 5 turnovers, 2 steals

Knight - 9 points, 3/9 FG, 1/2 3P, 2/2 FT, 2 rebounds, 4 assists, 4 turnovers, 1 steal


How many minutes did each play ?

[ctown4eva]

Cleveland won but Brandon Knight was better than kyrie

No, he wasn't.

[JohnnyFord]

Knight OWNEDDDD irving

[MooseJuiceBowen]

three players that stood out to me were irving knight and monroe. all beasted

[Meticode]

How many minutes did each play ?
Irving: 26:35
Knight: 22:28

[spiegel]

The Pistons are going to be even worse then last year. Rip and Tmac especially tmac drew alot of double teams and created a ton of open looks for them. Besides Prince noone else can do that this season.

[Aussie Dunker]

Big hopes for Monroe, showed some real nice touch around the basket...

Also Daye looked dangerous, looked smooth...

[RedBlackAttack]

How many minutes did each play ?
How many minutes did Ted Ginn Jr. play?

Former Eagle!

[All Net]

So good to see a thread about a GAME!

[embersyc]

Well I have high hopes for Knight, Daye, Monroe and Jerebko, but everybody else should be traded asap.

My prediction, this is the worst Pistons team of the last 10 years if Ben Gordon doesn't get his act together.

[chips93]

Well I have high hopes for Knight, Daye, Monroe and Jerebko, but everybody else should be traded asap.

My prediction, this is the worst Pistons team of the last 10 years if Ben Gordon doesn't get his act together.

monroe looks like he has put on some muscle. the pistons went to him regularly to start the game, and he looks like he has added some nice moves down low. he could have a breakout year.

[Yung D-Will]

Why aren't Gorden and Prince traded?

Contenders could use a guy like Gorden as a 6th man and Prince's defense would be great off the bench or starting on a young team

[DukeDelonte13]

Irving looked decent for his first game. Thompson looked lost during the first half and a good portion of the second, but i think in a couple of games he is going to improve dramatically.

[DukeDelonte13]

Brandon Knight>>>>Kryie Irving.


Knight made a lot of stupid decisions toward the end of the game. It's going to be a hell of a cool rivalry watching these two young pgs battle throughout the next couple of seasons.

[chips93]

Why aren't Gorden and Prince traded?

Contenders could use a guy like Gorden as a 6th man and Prince's defense would be great off the bench or starting on a young team


i think dumars thinks he can still conjure up some of the magic of that 04 team. just gey veterans who play well together, and contend. its clearly not working though. they need to gut the team, build around monroe, knight and picks.

[RedBlackAttack]

Knight made a lot of stupid decisions toward the end of the game. It's going to be a hell of a cool rivalry watching these two young pgs battle throughout the next couple of seasons.
I had to drive down to Columbus last night for work purposes, so I didn't get a chance to see the game. However, I was dismayed when I came on here afterward and saw all of the negativity about the game that Irving had and how he had been used and abused by Knight.

I fearfully clicked on to ESPN.com to take a look at the boxscore... Could it have been that bad, I asked myself? The way people were posting, it must have been serious brutality, right?


Cavs win.

Kyrie Irving - 27 minutes, 21 points (4-14 FG, 13-15 FT), 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, 5 turnovers

Brandon Knight - 22 minutes, 9 points (3-9 FG, 2-2 FT), 2 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 steal, 4 turnovers

:confusedshrug:


Is this what it is going to be like all season? It seems that KI has become a target to a certain sect of fans. Maybe it is an anti-Gilbert thing. Maybe it is a group of people invested in a scouring pre-Draft ranking that they gave Irving and now they are hell bent on trying to prove that they were right?

I watched NBATV's recap show last night so that I could see a little bit of a breakdown of what happened... They were complimentary of Irving's first time out... Incredibly complimentary, as a matter of fact.

For those that don't know, the first preseason game for a rookie is difficult enough. Throw in no training camp and it becomes exponentially more difficult.

Just as a refresher, I remember James' first preseason game in the NBA. He played 26 minutes and scored 8 points of 4-of-12 shooting. His counterpart, Tayshaun Prince, thoroughly outplayed him.

I'm not saying Irving is going to be James (in truth, I don't want him to be as a point guard), but some of you guys need to tap the breaks or risk looking like clueless idiots in a couple of years.

[IGOTGAME]

I had to drive down to Columbus last night for work purposes, so I didn't get a chance to see the game. However, I was dismayed when I came on here afterward and saw all of the negativity about the game that Irving had and how he had been used and abused by Knight.

I fearfully clicked on to ESPN.com to take a look at the boxscore... Could it have been that bad, I asked myself? The way people were posting, it must have been serious brutality, right?


Cavs win.

Kyrie Irving - 27 minutes, 21 points (4-14 FG, 13-15 FT), 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, 5 turnovers

Brandon Knight - 22 minutes, 9 points (3-9 FG, 2-2 FT), 2 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 steal, 4 turnovers

:confusedshrug:


Is this what it is going to be like all season? It seems that KI has become a target to a certain sect of fans. Maybe it is an anti-Gilbert thing. Maybe it is a group of people invested in a scouring pre-Draft ranking that they gave Irving and now they are hell bent on trying to prove that they were right?

I watched NBATV's recap show last night so that I could see a little bit of a breakdown of what happened... They were complimentary of Irving's first time out... Incredibly complimentary, as a matter of fact.

For those that don't know, the first preseason game for a rookie is difficult enough. Throw in no training camp and it becomes exponentially more difficult.

Just as a refresher, I remember James' first preseason game in the NBA. He played 26 minutes and scored 8 points of 4-of-12 shooting. His counterpart, Tayshaun Prince, thoroughly outplayed him.

I'm not saying Irving is going to be James (in truth, I don't want him to be as a point guard), but some of you guys need to tap the breaks or risk looking like clueless idiots in a couple of years.

I don't think it was that. In the beginning of the game Knight started by drawing a foul on Irving, hitting a 30 footer in his face and then stealing the ball from him and finishing around on the fast break. About 5 minutes later I turned the game off. I think the comments come from those first few minutes where Irving wasn't looking too good.

[RedBlackAttack]

I don't think it was that. In the beginning of the game Knight started by drawing a foul on Irving, hitting a 30 footer in his face and then stealing the ball from him and finishing around on the fast break. About 5 minutes later I turned the game off. I think the comments come from those first few minutes where Irving wasn't looking too good.
Obviously, since I wasn't able to watch, these little intricacies elude me. But, according to the recaps that I've watched, didn't Kyrie explode for, like, 12 points in the second quarter after barely playing in the first? It isn't like most of his points came late in the game.

[DukeDelonte13]

Obviously, since I wasn't able to watch, these little intricacies elude me. But, according to the recaps that I've watched, didn't Kyrie explode for, like, 12 points in the second quarter after barely playing in the first? It isn't like most of his points came late in the game.

I don't want to take anything away from Knight, i was just responding to somebody commenting that Knight was way better than Kyrie. They both played well considering the circumstances.

Kyrie played solidly throughout the game. He did try and get others involved but it was a poor shooting night for both teams. Kryie did not get any minutes with the starters either, so his go-to guy became Samardo.

Knight looked quicker, and his outside shot looked better, but Kyrie's handles and ability to get to the basket were better. Kyrie is a huge improvement over sessions at this point. He needs to start and get minutes with guys who can actually finish.

[toneloc103]

I don't think it was that. In the beginning of the game Knight started by drawing a foul on Irving, hitting a 30 footer in his face and then stealing the ball from him and finishing around on the fast break. About 5 minutes later I turned the game off. I think the comments come from those first few minutes where Irving wasn't looking too good.

Wait, what? When did Knight steal the ball from Irving? That was a terrible inbounds pass. The Cavs had several of those last night. I cant see how anyone can say Knight outplayed Irving. Neither of them shot that well, both had flashes. I think in the end the box score speaks for itself. Irving appears to have a bright future in the NBA. They both do...

[IGOTGAME]

Wait, what? When did Knight steal the ball from Irving? That was a terrible inbounds pass. The Cavs had several of those last night. I cant see how anyone can say Knight outplayed Irving. Neither of them shot that well, both had flashes. I think in the end the box score speaks for itself. Irving appears to have a bright future in the NBA. They both do...

I never said he outplayed Irving. Just said I turned the game off. It was bad basketball and I couldn't watch it anymore.

[RedBlackAttack]

I don't want to take anything away from Knight, i was just responding to somebody commenting that Knight was way better than Kyrie. They both played well considering the circumstances.

Kyrie played solidly throughout the game. He did try and get others involved but it was a poor shooting night for both teams. Kryie did not get any minutes with the starters either, so his go-to guy became Samardo.

Knight looked quicker, and his outside shot looked better, but Kyrie's handles and ability to get to the basket were better. Kyrie is a huge improvement over sessions at this point. He needs to start and get minutes with guys who can actually finish.
Well, if he is already better than Sessions, that is enough for me to be excited about his future. Sessions is not a bad PG and for a 19-year-old to basically walk in off of the streets and out-perform him... That is a good sign. Sessions will be a good backup. I'm glad we kept him around.

I obviously don't know how Knight looked last night, but I really liked his game in college. However, I absolutely did not want him on this Cavs' team. We've had enough combo guards over the last decade. I could list at least 10 right off the top of my head. I don't see Knight as being a natural point, as I didn't think he had the handles or the natural mentality to be strictly a point guard.

Kyrie, on the other hand, seems to have the perfect set of skills for the position.