The case for Kevin Garnett as the best player of the 2000's

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

- Best and most versatile defender of the 2000's and it's not even close. GOAT worthy defensive impact on his team.
- Best passer and playmaker at the PF position in the 2000's.
- Most dominant all around player of the 2000's.
- Took the most pathetic franchise in the history of the NBA to the WCF only to lose to the stacked Lakers.
- Past his best and yet instantly turned the Boston Celtics into the best defensive team in the NBA and was the main reason for the championship.

03-04 playoff run (took a bunch of scrubs and roleplayers to the WCF and took the Lakers to 6 games):

24.3 ppg
14.6 rpg
5.1 apg
2.3 bpg
1.3 spg
http://sportige.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Kevin-Garnett.jpg


:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[B-Low]

KG was the most dominant all around player of the 2000s!?

[iDefend5]

- Best defender of the 2000's and it's not even close.
Tim Duncan was better and even if he wasn't it was still close.



GOAT worthy defensive impact.
:oldlol:


- Best passer and playmaker at the PF position in the 2000's.
Ok?


- Most dominant all around player of the 2000's.
No, that would belong to either Kobe or Duncan.


- Took the most pathetic franchise in the history of the NBA to the WCF only to lose to the stacked Lakers.
Yeah, and?


- Past his best and yet instantly turned the Boston Celtics into the best defensive team in the NBA and was the main reason for the championship.

Sure, too bad Paul Pierce and Ray Allen two other future HOFers were also incredibly instrumental the championship run.

Garnett has no case over Kobe, Shaq, or Duncan. He is the 4th best player of the 2000s. He is really on his own island at #4 though so I'll give him that. The player behind him at #5 really isn't that close either.

[blood yes]

I don't get what you're trying to say.

Garnett took scrubs to the WCF.

Lebron took scrubs to the FINALS. (2006-2007 season)

Lebron also had an unbelievable performance against the pistons in the ECF, 2007.

[Cladyclad]

Delete thread

[Skywalker]

Yeah, and?


what do you mean and? that's not a situation where you use "and?" dumbfck

KG is THE PLAYER OF THE 2000s

[Skywalker]

I don't get what you're trying to say.

Garnett took scrubs to the WCF.

Lebron took scrubs to the FINALS. (2006-2007 season)

Lebron also had an unbelievable performance against the pistons in the ECF, 2007.

No one's talking about Le-No rings gtfo

[Meticode]

There was already a poll on this that included Kobe, Shaq, LeBron and Dunca and Garnett I believe. Kobe got 54% of the vote which was almost 40% more than anyone else.

Kobe

Also the best passing PF in the 2000s was Chris Webber.

[iDefend5]

what do you mean and? that's not a situation where you use "and?" dumbfck

KG is THE PLAYER OF THE 2000s
So he took his team to the Conference Finals, yeah big deal. Wade won a team that had never won a championship before. LeBron took his team to the Finals with a weak supporting cast. It's not like that the Wolves that season were horrible. That was the only time KG actually had pretty good teammates. KG didn't have a bad supporting cast at all in '03-'04.

[blood yes]

No one's talking about Le-No rings gtfo
Lol:roll: , Lebron>Garnett

Lebron's 2008-2009 season>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Garnett's 2003-2004 season

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

Tim Duncan was better and even if he wasn't it was still close.

Tim Duncan has not case over Kevin Garnett as a defender. Not even going to mention he's always had good defensive player around him.

Kevin Garnett as an individual defender and a DEFENSIVE LEADER has more impact on that side of the floor than Tim Duncan.

[iDefend5]

Kevin Garnett as an individual defender and a DEFENSIVE LEADER has more impact on that side of the floor than Tim Duncan.
If this was true why was Garnett's team always poor in terms of defensive rating? Garnett's defense is dependent on the team's schemes and teammates where Duncan would be a great defender in any system and with any player.

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

anyone who says Kobe is a better player is insane.

i can see how one can make a case for Shaq and Duncan but Kobe...:roll: :roll:

You give Garnett the level of talent Kobe's had and he'll get you more than 5 rings.

and if KG was on the talented Spurs instead of Timmay Duncan he'd be the one with more bling bling.

[Mr. Jabbar]

"The case for this thread as the worst of 2011"

[NumberSix]

I don't get what you're trying to say.

Garnett took scrubs to the WCF.

Lebron took scrubs to the FINALS. (2006-2007 season)

Lebron also had an unbelievable performance against the pistons in the ECF, 2007.
Nothing positive LeBron does counts.

[Meticode]

anyone who says Kobe is a better player is insane.

i can see how one can make a case for Shaq and Duncan but Kobe...:roll: :roll:

You give Garnett the level of talent Kobe's had and he'll get you more than 5 rings.

and if KG was on the talented Spurs instead of Timmay Duncan he'd be the one with more bling bling.
I guess I'm insane then.

[jbryan1984]

Its Duncan or Shaq.

[Skywalker]

Lol:roll: , Lebron>Garnett

Lebron's 2008-2009 season>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Garnett's 2003-2004 season

how many shares of lebron's n u t s a c k do you own?

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

I don't get what you're trying to say.

Garnett took scrubs to the WCF.

Lebron took scrubs to the FINALS. (2006-2007 season)

Lebron also had an unbelievable performance against the pistons in the ECF, 2007.

A great player took a team not as bad as the Timberwolves to the ECF in the weak East and got swept by the Spurs.


Your point?

Kevin Garnett took the Lakers team to 6 games.

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

There was already a poll on this that included Kobe, Shaq, LeBron and Dunca and Garnett I believe. Kobe got 54% of the vote which was almost 40% more than anyone else.

Kobe

Also the best passing PF in the 2000s was Chris Webber.


appeal to majority fallacy

yawn

[acerlghp]

Its Duncan or Shaq.

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/715938/kobeno.gif.pagespeed.ce.dlsfavbef-.gif

[blood yes]

how many shares of lebron's n u t s a c k do you own?
LOL, I'm just going to ignore you, because you are obviously mentally retarded.

Lebron is better than Garnett, and that is PURE FACT.

Lebron's best season was 30,8,8.

Garnett's was 25, 14, 5

Lebron>KG

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

LOL, I'm just going to ignore you, because you are obviously mentally retarded.

Lebron is better than Garnett, and that is PURE FACT.

Lebron's best season was 30,8,8.

Garnett's was 25, 14, 5

Lebron>KG


:eek: :eek:

Lebron scored 5 more points and had 3 more assists because he dominates the ball

you don't say

[04mzwach]

So he took his team to the Conference Finals, yeah big deal. Wade won a team that had never won a championship before. LeBron took his team to the Finals with a weak supporting cast. It's not like that the Wolves that season were horrible. That was the only time KG actually had pretty good teammates. KG didn't have a bad supporting cast at all in '03-'04.
Key players were injured during the postseason, otherwise he probably would of had a championship.

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

People take a flashy media hyped player like Kobe Bryant over the more impactful player and go as far as suggesting to delete the thread when there's far worse threads on the board.

mass media brainwash in full effect

[SCdac]

http://i.usatoday.net/sports/gallery/2008/03/17/s080317_basketball.jpg

give me Duncan :cheers:

[iDefend5]

Key players were injured during the postseason, otherwise he probably would of had a championship.
They probably would have lost to the Pistons if it weren't for those injuries but they might have been able to get past the Lakers.

[Optimus Prime]

What is this I don't even

Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan and even Shaq (yes those threepeat years were so dominant they count for an entire decade) would like to have a word with you.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

garnett had his shot at duncan when he had spreewell and cassell and he FAILED.

[The Iron Fist]

I don't get what you're trying to say.

Garnett took scrubs to the WCF.

Lebron took scrubs to the FINALS. (2006-2007 season)

Lebron also had an unbelievable performance against the pistons in the ECF, 2007.
Sam Cassell and Latrell Sprewell were scrubs?

:facepalm

[The Iron Fist]

LOL, I'm just going to ignore you, because you are obviously mentally retarded.

Lebron is better than Garnett, and that is PURE FACT.

Lebron's best season was 30,8,8.

Garnett's was 25, 14, 5

Lebron>KG
KG has a ring.

Lebron doesn't show up for 25% of the game.

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

Sam Cassell and Latrell Sprewell were scrubs?

:facepalm

They both had injury problems and even missed 8 games each in the playoffs.

Kobe + Caron Butler + Lamar Odom = Miss playoffs

Kobe + Lamar Odom = First round exit.

Kevin Garnett + Sprewell with injury problems + Cassell with injury problems = WCF and take Shaq/Kobe Lakers to 6 games.

[bizil]

KG is on the first team all 2000s team clearly. The man revolutionized the PF position. He also played plenty of SF early in his career. There has never been a 7 footer like KG. U can blame him and Dirk for 7 footers wanted to play PF and SF instead of C. But the thing is KG and Dirk had the skillset naturally to play the way they do. Other guys try to be like them, but many of them weren't naturals. What makes KG unique is he also played like a big man should. He led the L in boards on multiple occasions.

But in terms of the player of the 2000s, I can't give him that nod. Shaq, Kobe, and Duncan I would rate ahead of him. They accomplished more than KG in terms of accolades. However, in a given seasons, u could say KG was very well the best player in the L. His insane versatility and intensity stood out from everybody. And no doubt KG is a top4-5 GOAT PF. I'm sure many people for their team would pick KG as their all time PF. Because of his revolutionary skillset.

[32Dayz]

Honestly he may be the 3rd best player after Shaq and Duncan.

People underrate KG because he played on mostly "garbage" and I mean hot stinking trash teams during his young and prime years.

Even in 08 when he was past his prime he was still the MVP of that Boston team and the biggest reason they won it all.

I am probably one of the few that thinks he has a case for the 10 Spot on the GOAT lists or not far behind it since if you take away team accolades which shouldn't be used to judge individuals anyway I dont think players like even Kobe had more valuable/impactful or productive careers.

Even if you think they did its incredibly close and most people probably wouldn't think it is.

KG = Underrated for sure. :applause:

[Bird]

Honestly he may be the 3rd best player after Shaq and Duncan.

People underrate KG because he played on mostly "garbage" and I mean hot stinking trash teams during his young and prime years.

Even in 08 when he was past his prime he was still the MVP of that Boston team and the biggest reason they won it all.

I am probably one of the few that thinks he has a case for the 10 Spot on the GOAT lists or not far behind it since if you take away team accolades which shouldn't be used to judge individuals anyway I dont think players like even Kobe had more valuable/impactful or productive careers.

Even if you think they did its incredibly close and most people probably wouldn't think it is.

KG = Underrated for sure. :applause:

I only disagree with the bolded part, but you did say you are probably one of the few ;)

Agree with everything else. KG played at 150% season in and season out for some absolutely terrible Wolves teams.

To the OP: Duncan and Kobe (and probably Shaq) ALL have a better case for best player of the aughts over KG. Not to disrespect KG at all, but he was definitely one of the 5-6 best players of the entire decade.

[The Iron Fist]

They both had injury problems and even missed 8 games each in the playoffs.

Kobe + Caron Butler + Lamar Odom = Miss playoffs

Kobe + Lamar Odom = First round exit.

Kevin Garnett + Sprewell with injury problems + Cassell with injury problems = WCF and take Shaq/Kobe Lakers to 6 games.


Being injured doesn't make someone a bum.


Being a shitty player does.

[brisbaneman]

Cassell, Wally, and Sprewell are far from scrubs.

[rodman91]

Shaq & Duncan were clearly better players.

Garnett was like Scottie Pippen as franchise player. One of the greatest all around player. But that doesn't equal being best player.

[32Dayz]

Cassell, Wally, and Sprewell are far from scrubs.

Compared to Shaq or Ginobili/Parker/DRob or Pippen/Rodman or Gasol/Odom/Bynum they are.

+ Didnt he only have them for 1-2 years and they were alrdy past their primes?

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

Cassell, Wally, and Sprewell are far from scrubs.

Cassell missed 8 games in the playoffs
Sprewell missed 8 games in the playoffs
Scerbiak missed 12 games in the playoffs

None of them were healthy.

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

KG took scrubs and roleplayers to the WCF.

[brisbaneman]

Compared to Shaq or Ginobili/Parker/DRob or Pippen/Rodman or Gasol/Odom/Bynum they are.

+ Didnt he only have them for 1-2 years and they were alrdy past their primes?

No Cassell was balling that season and so was Spree and Wally. I don't think they would have beat the Spurs as they barely got past a post-microfracture Webber Kings squad.

[LA_Showtime]

I don't think you can put him above Duncan. KG never showed the ability to carry teams offensively. In fact for a good portion of his career he was criticized for playing on the perimeter instead of banging with the big boys in the post.

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

No Cassell was balling that season and so was Spree and Wally. I don't think they would have beat the Spurs as they barely got past a post-microfracture Webber Kings squad.

Cassell missed 8 games in the playoffs.
Sprewell missed 8 games in the playoffs.
Scerbiak missed 12 games in the playoffs.

None of them were healthy.

:facepalm

[32Dayz]

I think one can make a reasonable case for him being the 3rd best player of the 00's.

Imagine if Prime KG had some of the better supporting Casts from recent contenders.

Prime KG + Prime Shaq for 8 Years?
Prime KG + TParker/Ginobili/DRob?
Prime KG + DRodman/Pippen

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

I don't think you can put him above Duncan. KG never showed the ability to carry teams offensively. In fact for a good portion of his career he was criticized for playing on the perimeter instead of banging with the big boys in the post.

He did everything for the Timberwolves. Defense. Rebounding. Scoring. Playmaking. He had to.

Kevin Garnett is like the titanium swiss army knife of Power Forwards.

:bowdown: :bowdown:

[32Dayz]

He did everything for the Timberwolves. Defense. Rebounding. Scoring. Playmaking. He had to.

Kevin Garnett is like the titanium swiss army knife of Power Forwards.

:bowdown: :bowdown:

True.. one of the most well rounded players ever.

Reminds me of Hakeem alittle bit.

He is underrated as a scorer also imo.

Those turn around jumpers he had were unguardable.

[rodman91]

He did everything for the Timberwolves. Defense. Rebounding. Scoring. Playmaking. He had to.

Kevin Garnett is like the titanium swiss army knife of Power Forwards.

:bowdown: :bowdown:

Then Duncan was sword and Shaq was battle axe.:oldlol:

[ballsohard247]

Garnett has no case over Shaq or Duncan.

[32Dayz]

Garnett has no case over Shaq or Duncan.

Agreed, but he has a very strong case for #3.

[iDefend5]

Agreed, but he has a very strong case for #3.
No, he doesn't but it is not surprising that you of all people would say that. What you do to Kobe matches what Skip Bayless does to LeBron.

[32Dayz]

No, he doesn't but it is not surprising that you of all people would say that. What you do to Kobe matches what Skip Bayless does to LeBron.

Lol?

Better Production and arguably better impact over the Decade.

How is it not a reasonable argument?

I like Kobe but I hate his Stans and people who overrate the s*** out of him (like you)

Unless your an idiot who judges players based on "team" accomplishments you can make a strong case that Garnett > Kobe.

Give KG
Prime Shaq + PJ + some nice roleplayers for a couple of years and he'll be wearing a bunch of Rings too.

KG is so underrated its sad.

[iDefend5]

Lol?

Better Production and arguably better impact over the Decade.

How is it not a reasonable argument?

I like Kobe but I hate his Stans and people who overrate the s*** out of him (like you)

Unless your an idiot who judges players based on "team" accomplishments you can make a strong case that Garnett > Kobe.

Give KG
Prime Shaq + PJ + some nice roleplayers for a couple of years and he'll be wearing a bunch of Rings too.

KG is so underrated its sad.
Kobe accomplished more, was the better player, was the better all-around player, and was more relevant to the league. I don't recall Kobe ever missing the post-season for 3 straight seasons like KG did.

I think you mean KG is so overrated that it is sad.

[32Dayz]

Kobe accomplished more, was the better player, was the better all-around player, and was more relevant to the league. I don't recall Kobe ever missing the post-season for 3 straight seasons like KG did.

I think you mean KG is so overrated that it is sad.

No I dont.

Kobe's (Teams) accomplished more.
Kobe is a better scorer.
Kobe is slightly more impactful on the 0ffensive end.

KG attracts more defensive attention.
KG has better production in the playoffs.
KG was the better player.
KG was the better all around player.
KG is a better Rebounder/Passer
KG is a better Leader and is 1000x more impactful on the defensive end.

:facepalm

[Odinn]

2000-09; Duncan, Shaq and Kobe are top3 easily. KG is the fourth.

Duncan; 24/13/4/3 in 134 playoff games. 2 MVPs, 2 FMVPs, 3 titles as the best player of his team.
Shaq; 25/13/3/2 in 137 playoff games. 1 MVP, 3 FMVPs, 3 titles(4 finals) as the best player of his team(4 titles and 5 finals in total).
Kobe; 28/6/5/1 in 147 playoff games. 1 MVP, 1 FMVP, 1 titles(2 finals) as the best player of his team(4 titles and 6 finals in total).

Garnett; 22/13/5/2 in 61 playoff games. 1MVP, 0 FMVP, 1 titles as the best player of his team.

In the end; No. KG doesn't have a case for the best player of the 2000's. He doesn't even get into top3.

[iDefend5]

No I dont.

Kobe's (Teams) accomplished more.
Kobe is a better scorer.
Kobe is slightly more impactful on the 0ffensive end.

KG was the better player.
KG was the better all around player.
KG is a better Rebounder/Passer
KG is a better Leader and is 1000x more impactful on the defensive end.

:facepalm
:roll:


Then Duncan was sword and Shaq was battle axe.:oldlol:
:oldlol: Sounds about right.

[The Iron Fist]

No I dont.

Kobe's (Teams) accomplished more.
Kobe is a better scorer.
Kobe is slightly more impactful on the 0ffensive end.

KG attracts more defensive attention.
KG has better production in the playoffs.
KG was the better player.
KG was the better all around player.
KG is a better Rebounder/Passer
KG is a better Leader and is 1000x more impactful on the defensive end.

:facepalm


KG was better, but only has one ring to show for it, and not a single FMVP.

lol.

[32Dayz]

I like Kobe.. but the more I seriously compare him and Garnett the more I think KG may belong ahead of him on the GOAT list.

Had Garnett had Kobe's luck with supporting Casts who knows what he may have accomplished resume wise.

KG : Post Season - PER
Peak : 25.5
Top 5 : 24.68
Top 7 : 24

Kobe : Post Season - PER
Peak : 26.8
Top 5 : 24
Top 7 : 23

[32Dayz]

KG was better, but only has one ring to show for it, and not a single FMVP.

lol.

This isn't Golf.

Kobe had the Jordan of his Era (Prime Shaq) for 8 years and then a very stacked (Top 3) Cast + PJ for another 3-4 years.

Give KG similar Casts/Luck and who knows how many Rings he has.

How many years did KG get to play with the best player in the league who was the focal point of the 0ffense and took most of the defensive pressure off him?
Dont think that would have helped him out?
He never even had close to a Gasol caliber player in his best years.

:facepalm

[knickswin]

this is kind of one of those deals where the time frame flatters him. if it were "best player from 1997-2007," Shaq would beat him. If you included 2011, Dirk could beat him. As is, I still think Duncan and Shaq are no contest better, and Kobe has a solid case.

[Odinn]

I like Kobe.. but the more I seriously compare him and Garnett the more I think KG may belong ahead of him on the GOAT list.

Had Garnett had Kobe's luck with supporting Casts who knows what he may have accomplished resume wise.

KG : Post Season - PER
Peak : 25.5
Top 5 : 24.68
Top 7 : 24

Kobe : Post Season - PER
Peak : 26.8
Top 5 : 24
Top 7 : 23
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Apocalyptic0n3]

He was, at best, the third best big man. Much less the single best player.

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

http://asubstituteforwar.com/2011/04/23/howard-is-the-dpoy-but-hes-no-garnett/

:bowdown:

[BlackJoker23]

op is phucking delusional

[97 bulls]

In my opinion, the biggest knock on garnett was that he shyed away from trying to take over games. He would routinely run away from the clutch situations and leave it up to cassel and friggn troy hudson.

[32Dayz]

I am phucking r3tard1d
Pucce!!!

:lol
This kid gets laughed at by everyone and his mom.

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

op is phucking delusional

ad hominem noted

[Gabuyaux]

Give KG
Prime Shaq + PJ + some nice roleplayers for a couple of years and he'll be wearing a bunch of Rings too.


Remove KG, Insert:
Iverson
Kidd
Dirk
Even McGrady

Who wouldn't be wearing a bunch of rings?

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

http://asubstituteforwar.com/2011/04/23/howard-is-the-dpoy-but-hes-no-garnett/

:bowdown:

Best defensive player of the 2000's.

:applause:

[BlackJoker23]

im sad my mother didnt swallow. i want to kill myself but i cant since i cant grow a sack
thats ok kid you'll eventually die

[BlackJoker23]

ad hominem noted
yup u mad. gayg has no case. he is top 3 tho after bean and dunkedon

[rmt]

http://asubstituteforwar.com/2011/04/23/howard-is-the-dpoy-but-hes-no-garnett/

:bowdown:

KG has no case for the best player of the 2000s, and those defensive stats leave out 99-00, 00-01, 01-02, 02-03 (prime Duncan years).

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

"The case for this thread as the worst of 2011"

There is a gazillion Kobe threads and you don't care about that.

oh and KG > Kobe

[bwink23]

:lol
This kid gets laughed at by everyone and his mom.


Your the guy who everyone thinks i am...

[knickballer]

Dirk > KG

Therefore OP's thread is invalid

[Kobr]

Your

http://i.imgur.com/eMA8N.jpg

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

Dirk > KG

Therefore OP's thread is invalid


:roll: :roll: :roll:

maybe if we completely disregard defense, rebounding, and passing


and Kobe isn't all that much better than Dirk anyways

[bwink23]

http://i.imgur.com/eMA8N.jpg

Your turn.

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

watching kevin love and blake griffin play who are supposed to be the future best PFs makes me appreciate Kevin Garnett even more



:bowdown: :bowdown:

[TheAdmiral3]

so where is the case?

[DMAVS41]

The way people rank here....the highest KG could be for this era is number 4.

Duncan, Shaq, and Kobe are for sure the top 3. Then KG has to battle against Dirk for the 4th spot.

And no, it doesn't definitely go to KG.

[Rojogaqu11]

Duncan
Kobe
Shaq
Lebron
Dirk
KG
Kidd
Iverson
Wade
Nash

1 to 3 are interchangeable same for 4 to 6.

[Jotaro Durant]

no thats Kobe bro :cheers:

[miggyme1]

kg was a beast but i cant even give him the title "best pf of the 2000's"let alone best player.lets not forget tmac,iverson,shaq,kobe,steve francis had a commendable run........he could have been something special.

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

:roll: at people who rank Irk Nowitzki higher than Kevin Garnett.

[Whoah10115]

Lebron is not ahead of Kevin Garnett. Absolutely not.

[JMT]

This idiocy has somehow gone 6 pages???