07-09 Chris Paul VS 05-07 Steve Nash

[Clippersfan86]

Which do you feel was the better PG and why. Here is their stat sheet for those who want to review.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/paulch01.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nashst01.html

[iDefend5]

1. 07-08 Paul
2. 06-07 Nash
3. 04-05 Nash
4. 05-06 Nash
5. 08-09 Paul

Best single season - Paul
Overall - Nash

[28renyoy]

Nash

[Maniak]

I'm copy/pasting everything I said in the other thread.


Seriously?

CP3 can't run an offense like Nash can. He doesn't have the same court vision. Nash is also a far better shooter and ridiculously more clutch. I sometimes feel like people consider "watching a basketball game" going on yahoo.com, flipping open a boxscore, and watching the play-by-play.

I do agree however, that Shawn Marion was not better than Steve Nash.


Nash last year? Oh, you mean a 36 year old who is still a top 5 PG and #1 option? Sure is a shame he couldn't carry his team to the playoffs like a young 20 year old player. Even if Paul was equal at running offenses to Nash, you ignored the whole "Nash being a far superior shooter and a exponentially more clutch player" part.



The validity of this argument was lost when you mentioned win shares.


Nash > Paul as far as careers go. Get over it. In a few years, Paul may be better, he may not.


Just because somebody joined the Clippers doesn't make them suddenly better. You've got it the complete opposite, in fact.

Stop overhyping Paul. He hasn't played a single regular season game with the Clippers. Hes a very strong point guard but doesn't match up to what Nash has done, and can do.

Also, I really disagree with you saying Paul is a better scorer. Unless we're talking pure PPG.

[Clippersfan86]

1. 07-08 Paul
2. 06-07 Nash
3. 04-05 Nash
4. 05-06 Nash
5. 08-09 Paul

Best single season - Paul
Overall - Nash

Compare those two seasons. Not doing career vs career. Obviously Nash is ahead on that list.

[28renyoy]

Compare those two seasons. Not doing career vs career. Obviously Nash is ahead on that list.

You said Chris Paul AT HIS WORST>prime 2004-06 Steve Nash. Don't try to twist things.


Lol comon dude. CP3 at his worst>Nash.

[iDefend5]

Compare those two seasons. Not doing career vs career. Obviously Nash is ahead on that list.
I just did. By overall I was talking about the overall of the time frame who was better and it was Nash.

[Clippersfan86]

I'm copy/pasting everything I said in the other thread.


Seriously?

CP3 can't run an offense like Nash can. He doesn't have the same court vision. Nash is also a far better shooter and ridiculously more clutch. I sometimes feel like people consider "watching a basketball game" going on yahoo.com, flipping open a boxscore, and watching the play-by-play.

I do agree however, that Shawn Marion was not better than Steve Nash.


Nash last year? Oh, you mean a 36 year old who is still a top 5 PG and #1 option? Sure is a shame he couldn't carry his team to the playoffs like a young 20 year old player. Even if Paul was equal at running offenses to Nash, you ignored the whole "Nash being a far superior shooter and a exponentially more clutch player" part.



The validity of this argument was lost when you mentioned win shares.


Nash > Paul as far as careers go. Get over it. In a few years, Paul may be better, he may not.


Just because somebody joined the Clippers doesn't make them suddenly better. You've got it the complete opposite, in fact.

Stop overhyping Paul. He hasn't played a single regular season game with the Clippers. Hes a very strong point guard but doesn't match up to what Nash has done, and can do.

Also, I really disagree with you saying Paul is a better scorer. Unless we're talking pure PPG.

I'm not comparing careers. Stay on topic and compare peak vs peak. Nobody would say CP3 ranks higher in terms of career achievements.

[Clippersfan86]

You said Chris Paul AT HIS WORST>prime 2004-06 Steve Nash. Don't try to twist things.

You're right... I think he's the better all around PG in any year. Reason for this thread is people implied CP3 has never touched Nash's MVP level. Stay on topic Joyner.

[Clippersfan86]

I just did. By overall I was talking about the overall of the time frame who was better and it was Nash.

I gave each player their 2 dominant/peak seasons so far. You gave Nash an extra season then picked him.

[brisbaneman]

nashs peak was 04-05.

i can't remember which game it was, if it was game 4 or 5 vs dallas in the conf semis but it was the greatest performance i have ever witnessed by a player not named dirk

[Maniak]

I'm not comparing careers. Stay on topic and compare peak vs peak. Nobody would say CP3 ranks higher in terms of career achievements.


Ok.

Steve Nash > Chris Paul

[iDefend5]

I gave each player their 2 dominant/peak seasons so far. You gave Nash an extra season then picked him.
Ok.

1. 07-08 Paul
2. 04-05 Nash
3. 05-06 Nash
4. 08-09 Paul

Is that better? Even though you could have done it yourself?

[28renyoy]

Your right... I think he's the better all around PG in any year. Reason for this thread is people implied CP3 has never touched Nash's MVP level. Stay on topic Joyner.

So 16/5/8 54 TS% 38 wins>19/4/12 65 TS% 61 wins? :lol

[Clippersfan86]

Ok.

1. 07-08 Paul
2. 04-05 Nash
3. 05-06 Nash
4. 08-09 Paul

Is that better? Even though you could have done it yourself?

Yes. I got Nash's MVP seasons right? If not maybe that's why you guys are confused. Nash won MVP in 05-06 and 06-07 right? Or was it 04-05, 05-06?

[Clippersfan86]

So 16/5/8 54 TS% 38 wins>19/4/12 65 TS% 61 wins? :lol

You're picking the year CP3 played 45 games? You're right.... CP3 with one knee is worse than Nash. I admit that.

[iDefend5]

Yes. I got Nash's MVP seasons right? If not maybe that's why you guys are confused. Nash won MVP in 05-06 and 06-07 right? Or was it 04-05, 05-06?
His best statistical season was 06-07 but he didn't win MVP that season, he won mvp in 04-05 and 05-06.

[Clippersfan86]

His best statistical season was 06-07 but he didn't win MVP that season, he won mvp in 04-05 and 05-06.

Okay. Feel free to swap 04-05 for 06-07. Just combine Nash's two best seasons I suppose. I was trying to get a feel for who had the highest peak. Nash has the better career for sure... CP3 is only 26 though. I just know CP3 is the greatest PG I've seen when healthy. In 08... dude was arguably a top 3 PG ever peak wise. Maybe even second.

[Maniak]

The problem is.

One of paul's seasons is arguably better than nash's. its midnight and im going to go to bed in just a few minutes as my grammar is getting extra lazy, so i won't debate.

1a. Paul's best season
1b. Nash's best season
2. Nash's second best season
3. Paul's second best season.

So in this comparison, Nash > Paul.

[ballinhun8]

Nash.


Took a team without Amare to the WCF during a time where you needed a great big to win in the West. Plus we're talking about a Robert Horry shove to the scorers table series altering moment in a different ywar where Nash would have won a championship over an overmatched Cavs team.

[blablabla]

08 paul was equal to peak nash maybe better but every other season Nash > paul

[OmniStrife]

Hey Clippersfan, since you like comparing stats so much...

When was the last time CP3 took a 29-53 team to a 60-22 record in a single season as Nash did in 05?

[DaHeezy]

This comparison is like comparing a young Julius Erving to Larry Bird (and no, not because one is black and one is white). Although the one player has more athletic ability, was better statistically, better in the open court, and a better defender, their games were compared beyond these assets. The other's intangibles made them the better overall player. The abilty to shoot anywhere on the floor WITH a clutch factor, the ability to control the half court offence and the pace of the game, the ability to make the players around them significantly better both statistically and playerwise, and most importantly the ability to single handedly win games. That's what makes Nash better.

[alenleomessi]

paul in 08' > every pg in this decade, probably even kidd

[Kevin_Gamble]

Nash easily. Better individual stats, better team leader.

[Sarcastic]

Really tough call. Overall I would say it was Paul. He put up two 20/10 seasons, which is actually quite rare for point guards. Also he was better defensively than Nash. However Nash put up the 50/40/90 shooting several times, which is also quite rare.

[luckylucy]

Both are my favourite PGs, but Clippersfan86 is making me hate CP3 thanks to his shitflow of Clippers threads.

[brownmamba00]

I'm going with Nash on this one.

[OmniStrife]

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Both are my favourite PGs, but Clippersfan86 is making me hate CP3 thanks to his shitflow of Clippers threads.
It's like Joyner and Durant all over again... :mad:

[9512]

Nash.


Took a team without Amare to the WCF during a time where you needed a great big to win in the West. Plus we're talking about a Robert Horry shove to the scorers table series altering moment in a different year where Nash would have won a championship over an overmatched Cavs team.

Yea but Boris Diaw had his awesome singular NBA season in his career. He filled in for Amar'e like he didn't matter.

[Bigsmoke]

CP3

[Kiddlovesnets]

CP3 was already better than Nash ever was in his third year, Id be rather surprised if he had declined since 2007/2008.

[yobore]

Anyone who says 07-08 CP > 08-09 CP is ignoring the circumstances. 08-09 Hornets were TERRIBLE. I am having trouble thinking of a comparable supporting cast. Of the players on that entire roster, not just in the rotation, only David West and Rasual Butler played in NBA rotations the next season, and Butler was doing it for the SG-starved Clippers. 08-09 CP was on another level. He was banged up and out gas in the playoffs, but I think it still deserves to be considered his best season based on the fact that they won 49 games and he played at a completely unprecedented level throughout the regular season. Pace and defense aside, one thing those saying Nash was better tend to ignore is the turnovers. Those are worse than missed shots because you can't rebound them and they're easy to score off of, but even if you just count them as missed shots I believe Nash's TS% would be lower.

[T_L_P]

Cp3.

[iggy>]

Paul is better @ flopping and gloating after crossing over power forwards (while his team is getting blown out) .