Mehmet Okur traded to New Jersey

[UtahJazzFan88]

https://twitter.com/#!/ScottyGKFAN/status/150010058267308032

Good to see Okur's gone. Liability on defense and wasn't a fan of what he brought to the offense because he wasn't making threes.

[Nets fan 93]

Anything over Petro is grand slam. especially for a second round pick. He's a nice expiring contract to throw at Orlando

[hawkfan]

If AK47 signs in NJ when he comes back from Europe, it's the NJ Jazz (Williams, Okur, AK47).

[InspiredLebowski]

2015 2nd rounder even. I hope Utah takes the next great Euro with that pick so we can talk about how they got the pick for Memo's corpse four years ago.

[MeLO MvP 15]

Kinda funny seeing Utah and NJ trading with each other again. Good move for both sides. That was really quick for NJ

[UtahJazzFan88]

Kinda funny seeing Utah and NJ trading with each other again. Good move for both sides. That was really quick for NJ

New Jersey and Chicago trying to become 2006-2009 Utah Jazz 2.0.

[MichaelCheazley]

Pretty good move. Gives more pt for kanter,millsap,al, favors and evans. And gives the jazz some space and a te they can maybe get a decent piece with. Nj on the other hand gets a decent player who can play while lopez is down. Good trade.

[bagelred]

Wait...what???? Why did the Jazz do that?

[UtahJazzFan88]

Pretty good move. Gives more pt for kanter,millsap,al, favors and evans. And gives the jazz some space and a te they can maybe get a decent piece with. Nj on the other hand gets a decent player who can play while lopez is down. Good trade.

The $10 million dollar trade exception is actually a big deal for us in future trades. I'm not sure if Philly wants any of our players, but this opens us the option for a guy like Andre Iguodala.

[HylianNightmare]

wtf, good for the nets

[niko]

Wait...what???? Why did the Jazz do that?
Trade exception. Has more value than Okur (you can give someone salary relief this year). Plus they were not going to play him. Win/win all around. There goes the "get the high pick" theory though.

[UtahJazzFan88]

Trade exception. Has more value than Okur (you can give someone salary relief this year). Plus they were not going to play him. Win/win all around. There goes the "get the high pick" theory though.

Exactly, and I'm disappointed that we didn't get a better pick in an Okur trade, but that trade exception is a big deal in the long run I think. I think we'll be making more moves.

[InspiredLebowski]

So not only's it give Utah a big TE, but opens up the full MLE if they wanna use it right? Not that there's anyone out there to use it on. Gilbert Arenas in Utah'd be funny.

[Rake2204]

Big fan of Memo. I hope it works out in New Jersey.

http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2007/05/03/okur-topper.jpg

[bagelred]

Doesn't seem to be anything with the TPE. The twitter folk saying its salary dump and I think they're right. $10 million saved in a blink of an eye.

[veilside23]

will this move make d will stay?

[El Kabong]

Good enough deal for both teams. NJ might as well use that cap space on something and gave up nothing of real value for Okur. If he's crap or gets injured then theres no long term responsibility on their part. Helps them now that Lopez is injured also.

Jazz clear some more capspace, get a TE and open up more playing time at the 4-5 for their young guys.

[niko]

Doesn't seem to be anything with the TPE. The twitter folk saying its salary dump and I think they're right. $10 million saved in a blink of an eye.
A trade exception is a salary dump. It creates a big salary slot you can use for a trade, but isn't amount that counts against your cap or any cash outlay. If you make a trade and lose a player for cap room, it automatically makes a trade exception.

[MichaelCheazley]

The $10 million dollar trade exception is actually a big deal for us in future trades. I'm not sure if Philly wants any of our players, but this opens us the option for a guy like Andre Iguodala.
Unless philly wantes to do 2 trades, it wouldnt matter if they want any of your players. TPE cant be combined with anything in a trade except for picks(?) I believe.

[Darkess]

Okur really hasn't been good in some time, at least relative to what he's getting paid.

Seems like a good deal for both teams. Salary dump for UT and immediate contribution for NJN.

Kinda sad how far Memo has fallen though.

[WillyJakk]

Posted this in another forum:

Wait a freakin' second.... I FIGURED IT OUT!

Utah is slowly stacking players, lotto picks (by likely being a bad team), AND capspace to make a run in 2012 at (get this)......:

http://media.nj.com/nets_impact/photo/9316371-large.jpg

Well played Kevin O'connor...well played.

[Xiao Yao You]

Cool! Who's next Jefferson? Harris? Wish Raja had been in the deal too.


If AK47 signs in NJ when he comes back from Europe, it's the NJ Jazz (Williams, Okur, AK47

You forgot Deshawn and Humphries.


opens up the full MLE if they wanna use it right? Not that there's anyone out there to use it on. Gilbert Arenas in Utah'd be funny.

Wilson Chandler? Brooks?


The twitter folk saying its salary dump and I think they're right. $10 million saved in a blink of an eye.

More than a salary dump. He's their 5th big maybe 6th right now with the way Kanter and Evans have played!


Okur really hasn't been good in some time, at least relative to what he's getting paid.

Kinda sad how far Memo has fallen though.

Never was worth what he's been paid. He should be a back-up. He does one thing well. How far has he fallen? If he can still hit the 3 he's the same guy.

[Rekindled]

memo is bad, he was the worst big man on the jazz and is even slower now after the injury. although he is still upgrade over johan petro i guess

[DuMa]

more rebounds for Hump.

[Rekindled]

Posted this in another forum:

Wait a freakin' second.... I FIGURED IT OUT!

Utah is slowly stacking players, lotto picks (by likely being a bad team), AND capspace to make a run in 2012 at (get this)......:

http://media.nj.com/nets_impact/photo/9316371-large.jpg

Well played Kevin O'connor...well played.

Imagine if the jazz tank this year and get a top 3 pick(harrison Barnes) and sign dwill. Then trade Al Jefferson+Milsap+Harris+GS first round pick to NO for Eric Gordon and Kaman.

Dwill/Watson
Gordon/Hayward
Barnes/Miles
Favors/Kanter
Kaman/Kanter

:eek: :eek:

[Robster89]

Anything over Petro is grand slam. especially for a second round pick. He's a nice expiring contract to throw at Orlando

He can't be moved for 6 months though, right?
This would negatively affect the Nets pursuit of Dwight, at least in the short term.

[Rekindled]

He can't be moved for 6 months though, right?
This would negatively affect the Nets pursuit of Dwight, at least in the short term.

New Jersey pretty much cannot trade for dwight during the season, they still will have the cap space to sign dwight though since they all 1 year deal guys.

[CakeorDeath]

Imagine if the jazz tank this year and get a top 3 pick(harrison Barnes) and sign dwill. Then trade Al Jefferson+Milsap+Harris+GS first round pick to NO for Eric Gordon and Kaman.

Dwill/Watson
Gordon/Hayward
Barnes/Miles
Favors/Kanter
Kaman/Kanter

:eek: :eek:


Or, the Jazz trade Al Jeff, Harris, and Bell for cap space, tank this year and get a top 3 pick (Barnes), sign D-Will, and then D-Will convinces Dwight Howard to sign in Utah

Deron/Watson/Tinsley
Hayward/Miles
Barnes/Burks
Favors/Millsap/Evans
Howard/Kanter

Fans of big markets everywhere cry foul.

Alas, if only...

[CakeorDeath]

You forgot Deshawn and Humphries.



And you forgot Sundiata Gaines

[Nets fan 93]

New Jersey pretty much cannot trade for dwight during the season, they still will have the cap space to sign dwight though since they all 1 year deal guys.
Is that a rule in the CBA or is there something I don't know. Wasnt Rasheed traded to the Hawks and then traded to a different team later that week? I thought there was a certain date where it was possible. a date near the deadline... no?

[IGOTGAME]

IIRC D-Will didn't like playing with AK47 and Okur in Utah. I don't think getting players he didn't like is gonna get him to stay.

[D12"Magic"]

IIRC D-Will didn't like playing with AK47 and Okur in Utah. I don't think getting players he didn't like is gonna get him to stay.
Though Deron wanted DeShawne and Shawne Williams, and we got them.
Obviously trading for Mehmet is not gonna convince him to say, it was a necessary trade, since Lopez is injured.
And were did you here Deron saying, he does not wanna play with AK and Mehmet?


DeronWilliams Deron Williams
“@MichaeldWhite: @DeronWilliams Dwill to money is back in business” glad to be playing with my boy Memo again!!!!

[Nets fan 93]

Is that a rule in the CBA or is there something I don't know. Wasnt Rasheed traded to the Hawks and then traded to a different team later that week? I thought there was a certain date where it was possible. a date near the deadline... no?
I found that I was correct. Okur can be traded. Kris on the other hand can VETO any trade. though I doubt he will.

Magic can still dump bad contracts on Nets, in xchange for expiring deals (Okur, etc). Different way to get same deal done. Costs Magic more


Also noteworthy: Humphries, on 1-yr deal w/Bird rights, can veto any trade. And he can't be traded until after March 1, regardless.

Any player who signed a free-agent deal this offseason is untradeable until March 1.

-Howard Beck- Knicks Beatwriter from the New York Times.

EDIT: Okur can not be included in a MULTI-Player trade for a certain amount of time. that i'm not too sure about. A separate trade for Turkoglu is doable tough.

[UtahJazzFan88]

Wilson Chandler is a nice player that I think we should consider getting in March or whenever with this space, but I also want us to get Harrison Barnes, and that means playing rookies and getting experience for them.

[D12"Magic"]

I found that I was correct. Okur can be traded. Kris on the other hand can VETO any trade. though I doubt he will.




-Howard Beck- Knicks Beatwriter from the New York Times.

After hearing Lopez go down, to hearing this, I like this trade.
Okur is an expirer, and expirers are great for making trades, plus in the upcoming off-season our cap should look good.


NetsDaily NetsDaily.com
With signings of Shl Williams, Humphries, Stevenson and trade of Okur, #Nets have $25m in expiring contracts. If Farmar opts out. Its $29m.
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[Xiao Yao You]

Imagine if the jazz tank this year and get a top 3 pick(harrison Barnes) and sign dwill. Then trade Al Jefferson+Milsap+Harris+GS first round pick to NO for Eric Gordon and Kaman.

Dwill/Watson
Gordon/Hayward
Barnes/Miles
Favors/Kanter
Kaman/Kanter

Jazz fans wouldn't want him back after pushing out their beloved Sloan.



And you forgot Sundiata Gaines

Yes how could I forget his brief stint. Say what you will about O'Conner but he's done a hell of job spotting guys for other teams. Picking guys that could play for Sloan has been another story. Maybe Ty will be easier for him? Bulls and Nets ought to give him some love anyway.


I also want us to get Harrison Barnes

They need a pg.


And were did you here Deron saying, he does not wanna play with AK and Mehmet

He said recently he wanted AK but they can't sign him now. No more money. I got the impression he didn't like AK but he is smart enough to know what he brings to the table. Smarter than the Jazz apparently.

[MichaelCheazley]

I also want us to get Harrison Barnes
Do you think utah's gonna suck enough to get him? I personally think they wont be that bad this year... Unless you have some other teams pick?

[Xiao Yao You]

Do you think utah's gonna suck enough to get him? I personally think they wont be that bad this year... Unless you have some other teams pick?

They could be awful it looks like to me. Hard to say if they have any other moves in the work. Hopefully they do. They have GS's first but it's protected.

[Jasper]

If AK47 signs in NJ when he comes back from Europe, it's the NJ Jazz (Williams, Okur, AK47).
:applause:

:oldlol: that was my first thought !

[swi7ch]

why can't the Heat do this trade???

[Nets fan 93]

why can't the Heat do this trade???
There is something called cap space. (something Miami does not have)

[UtahJazzFan88]

Do you think utah's gonna suck enough to get him? I personally think they wont be that bad this year... Unless you have some other teams pick?

No, I highly doubt it, but it's not a reach.

So far, Kevin O'Connor seems like he has a great plan to rebuilding, now that could be derailed very fast, but some of the moves he's doing right now is looking like a genius. No need to use this trade exception right away, but around the trade deadline, I would expect it to be used.

Paul Millsap said he's willing to come off the bench as a 6th man, which I think he should be (he's better than Jefferson, but that's a different story). Paul Millsap is the perfect 3rd big/6th Man for a contending team. The next step is to get a nice piece like Wilson Chandler or Andre Iguodala or a solid SF with that exception. Another step is to dump Jefferson, Bell, and even Harris for something.

[Bosnian Sajo]

why can't the Heat do this trade???

Cause you got 3 guys on a 100m contract..

[Yung D-Will]

Posted this in another forum:

Wait a freakin' second.... I FIGURED IT OUT!

Utah is slowly stacking players, lotto picks (by likely being a bad team), AND capspace to make a run in 2012 at (get this)......:

http://media.nj.com/nets_impact/photo/9316371-large.jpg

Well played Kevin O'connor...well played.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Joshumitsu]

Hopefully Favors gets more playing time now.

Otherwise, Okur is good piece for Jersey, if not at least as trade bait for Dwight.

[INDI]

If AK47 signs in NJ when he comes back from Europe, it's the NJ Jazz (Williams, Okur, AK47).

I know he didnt get much time but my cousin Gaines play for the nets and was also in Utah, so that would be four players

[Xiao Yao You]

So far, Kevin O'Connor seems like he has a great plan to rebuilding, now that could be derailed very fast, but some of the moves he's doing right now is looking like a genius.

Trading an expiring contract for an trade exception is genius? What else did he do? Think you're giving him way too much credit especially the way their roster still looks.


Paul Millsap said he's willing to come off the bench as a 6th man, which I think he should be

Play your best player less minutes because his willing? Makes little sense.


Paul Millsap is the perfect 3rd big/6th Man for a contending team.

Maybe. When the Jazz have better players than him and are contending than you do it not now.


The next step is to get a nice piece like Wilson Chandler or Andre Iguodala or a solid SF with that exception. Another step is to dump Jefferson, Bell, and even Harris for something.

Iguodala like those others you mention is highly overpaid. Chandler would be nice buy he is restricted so he might not be had. They need a pg first and foremost.

[Xiao Yao You]

If AK47 signs in NJ when he comes back from Europe, it's the NJ Jazz (Williams, Okur, AK47).

I know he didnt get much time but my cousin Gaines play for the nets and was also in Utah, so that would be four players

Deshawn and Humphries started with the Jazz. Sloan didn't think much of them.

[CakeorDeath]

Deshawn and Humphries started with the Jazz. Sloan didn't think much of them.

If this year's free agency is any indication, neither does the rest of the league. Who exactly was chomping at the bit to sign these guys? That's right, nobody.

[wang4three]

Pretty sure this is going to be a bad trade for us.

[niko]

Pretty sure this is going to be a bad trade for us.
HOw come? You just don't see him contributing? I see very little opportunity cost and i think it's a good sign to Deron that they are willing to do things, take on money, even short term. THe only downside i see is if the Orlando thing gets ugly early. Then it's a big problem that Okur/Hump are not tradable yet. Other than that is seems benign, if he's good he plays, if he's not he's an expirer.

[wang4three]

HOw come? You just don't see him contributing? I see very little opportunity cost and i think it's a good sign to Deron that they are willing to do things, take on money, even short term. THe only downside i see is if the Orlando thing gets ugly early. Then it's a big problem that Okur/Hump are not tradable yet. Other than that is seems benign, if he's good he plays, if he's not he's an expirer.

At this point, I consider a 2nd round pick greater than what Okur can offer us. He doesn't play defense, he's a jump shooting big man.. I'm not sure Avery knows what to do with him. Avery's sets were terrible in creating open jumpers for Brook. Atleast Brook had some interior moves to make up for it. However, Avery's is really going need to integrate a pick and pop and screen and roll for Okur to succeed. It's like Troy Murphy all over again.

I understand the alternative is to start Johan Petro, which may be scary.. but in the end, I bet we end up playing more small ball. A line up of Deron/Morrow/Brooks/James/Humphries is probably how we'll end our games. Or Sundiata or Farmar at the 2 and shift Morrow to the 3, Brooks is out. Or Deron/Morrow/James/Shelden/Humphries. Maybe throw in Idoka when we need defense. Or Shawne for Damion when we need a three.

Essentially, I don't see more than 15-20 minutes for Okur. And that's assuming he has something left in the tank.

[niko]

At this point, I consider a 2nd round pick greater than what Okur can offer us. He doesn't play defense, he's a jump shooting big man.. I'm not sure Avery knows what to do with him. Avery's sets were terrible in creating open jumpers for Brook. Atleast Brook had some interior moves to make up for it. However, Avery's really going need to integrate a pick and pop and screen and roll for Okur to succeed. It's like Troy Murphy all over again.

I understand the alternative is to start Johan Petro, which may be scary.. but in the end, I bet we end up playing more small ball. A line up of Deron/Morrow/Brooks/James/Humphries is probably how we'll end our games. Or Sundiata or Farmar at the 2 and shift Morrow to the 3, Brooks is out. Or Deron/Morrow/James/Shelden/Humphries. Maybe throw in Idoka when we need offense. Or Shawne for Damion when we need a three.

Essentially, I don't see more than 15-20 minutes for Okur. And that's assuming he has something left in the tank.

i hadn't thought of it to that detail. Makes a ton of sense.

[WillyJakk]

Imagine if the jazz tank this year and get a top 3 pick(harrison Barnes) and sign dwill. Then trade Al Jefferson+Milsap+Harris+GS first round pick to NO for Eric Gordon and Kaman.

Dwill/Watson
Gordon/Hayward
Barnes/Miles
Favors/Kanter
Kaman/Kanter

:eek: :eek:

Yeah, I'm half-joking but the reality is the Jazz just made a HUGE trade w/ the same team they got a crapload of assets from to be able to make a run at re-acquiring the guy they actually traded to get those assets.

I think it's HILARIOUS that the Nets have effectively put the Jazz in a position to be able to sign Williams back in the offseason.

I mean he LOVED it in Utah, they have much improved young talent AND have players in Al Jefferson, Paul Millsap, and/ or Devin Harris to "salary dump" for picks to teams who'd surely want those guys.

Billy King/ Nets FO are too far in the forest to see the trees.

[pegasus]

I hope he stays healthy and finds his shooting touch again. If they somehow get Howard, I think they would complement each other pretty well.

[bagelred]

This trade is just one big misunderstanding.

The Utah owner told GM Kevin O'Connor that to finalize some details on the Deron Williams trade, he said "Send a Memo to New Jersey ASAP."


O'Connor immediately traded Okur.

[niko]

Yeah, I'm half-joking but the reality is the Jazz just made a HUGE trade w/ the same team they got a crapload of assets from to be able to make a run at re-acquiring the guy they actually traded to get those assets.

I think it's HILARIOUS that the Nets have effectively put the Jazz in a position to be able to sign Williams back in the offseason.

I mean he LOVED it in Utah, they have much improved young talent AND have players in Al Jefferson, Paul Millsap, and/ or Devin Harris to "salary dump" for picks to teams who'd surely want those guys.

Billy King/ Nets FO are too far in the forest to see the trees.
I'm pretty sure they are aware that Deron wouldn't go back to Utah under any circumstances so what is the difference. If Deron leaves, he's going to Dallas, not Utah. Utah is a total non player for him.

[(e)]

Seems logical for NJ since Brook went down.

Smart salary dumb for the Jazz too, pointless to have a guy making 10 million not playing a whole lot. The pick and trade exception is more valuable to them.

[Nets fan 93]

I'm pretty sure they are aware that Deron wouldn't go back to Utah under any circumstances so what is the difference. If Deron leaves, he's going to Dallas, not Utah. Utah is a total non player for him.
Exactly. Why else would they trade a top PG on a playoff team?

[Kiddlovesnets]

Damn you Brook Lopez forcing our FO to make such desperate moves...

:cry:

[rodman91]

Even if he is out of shape, he will always have shooting touch,clutch ability & size.

[Darkess]

Even if he is out of shape, he will always have shooting touch,clutch ability & size.

I don't think he's out of shape. I'd worry about him being able to shoot the ball - that's what he's been lacking lately. Injury has hit this guy pretty hard. I hope he can make a contribution.

[Xiao Yao You]

Who exactly was chomping at the bit to sign these guys? That's right, nobody.

Considering Humphries got 7 million and Deshawn got 2.5 and not minimum contracts I'm sure there was interest. Not sure why Dallas didn't bring back Deshawn. I thought they wanted back their guys on one year contracts. That's what he ended up with.

I'd certainly take Deshawn over Raja for less money and Humphries for half of what Jefferson makes.