Are we Gonna act like Wade didnt travel on the game winning shot?

[Jon_Koncak]

Cause he did
http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2011/12/have-ball-will-travel-dwyane-wade-iv/

A progressing player who jumps off one foot on the first step may land with both feet simultaneously for the second step. In this situation, the player may not pivot with either foot and if one or both feet leave the floor the ball must be released before either returns to the floor

that's exactly what he did,he pivoted after he landed with both feet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nlCxXkiWBEk

[kidachi]

bummer

[sipitri]

I don't know the rules because I never played basketball in my life but that's the first thing I thought too. Isn't that a travel?

[kaktus14]

Yeah he did, but they will never call that, hell they wouldnt probably call it if he made one more step after jump stop

[derb2k2]

Cause he did
http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2011/12/have-ball-will-travel-dwyane-wade-iv/

A progressing player who jumps off one foot on the first step may land with both feet simultaneously for the second step. In this situation, the player may not pivot with either foot and if one or both feet leave the floor the ball must be released before either returns to the floor

that's exactly what he did,he pivoted after he landed with both feet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nlCxXkiWBEk


we gonna act like Lebrons dunk shouldn't have counted?

[Lebron23]

we gonna act like Lebrons dunk shouldn't have counted?


This

[Quickening]

Not sure why they didn't call it........ awful footwork from Wade, obvious travel, and yet it isn't called.

[Vienceslav]

The traveling rules are more sort of guide lines NBA refs know about and sometimes apply to rookies if they feel like it.
Every other amazing play would be waived off if the stuck strictly to what the rules say and that would subsequently put people off watching the game.

[RintjeRitsma]

No, it's a travel.


we gonna act like Lebrons dunk shouldn't have counted?

No.

[bluechox2]

wade handed out special d-whistles to the refs before the game

[donald_trump]

its a travel because of the handcheck. cant call one because it caused the other.

[donald_trump]

wade handed out special d-whistles to the refs before the game

yeah they loved him out there. they let him get 10 points. 15 below his career average. :oldlol:

[kidachi]

No, it's a travel.



No.


great hating.

[RintjeRitsma]

great hating.

Why is that hating? The dunk by James should have counted and that was a travel by Wade.

[LakerGirl72]

it looks like his pivot foot never left the floor. am i not seeing something else?

*edit* and brons dunk was almost halfway thru the hoop. i dunno the rule on that but it looked like it should have counted. *shrug*

[kidachi]

Why is that hating? The dunk by James should have counted and that was a travel by Wade.

it should have counted.. it was already under the basket.. as for Wade.. maybe he did.. I can't really say.. they missed it but maybe it's for not counting LeBron's dunk.

[Jon_Koncak]

it looks like his pivot foot never left the floor. am i not seeing something else?

*edit* and brons dunk was almost halfway thru the hoop. i dunno the rule on that but it looked like it should have counted. *shrug*

Once you land on both feet there is no pivot foot.You either shoot or pass.

[kidachi]

Once you land on both feet there is no pivot foot.You either shoot or pass.

I'm pretty sure I've seen hundreds of plays like these and never was there a call for traveling..

[LakerGirl72]

Once you land on both feet there is no pivot foot.You either shoot or pass.



ahhhh! yeah travel.

ty

[kNIOKAS]

this is just a minor... dunno.

the real travel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfh2Wjq4WJs
anyway there was a guy named wadecarriez. always loved that guy

[madmax]

I'm pretty sure I've seen hundreds of plays like these and never was there a call for traveling..

that's because you are watching NBA, where travelling happens...try doing that shit in Euroleague for example:lol

[RintjeRitsma]

it should have counted.. it was already under the basket.. as for Wade.. maybe he did.. I can't really say.. they missed it but maybe it's for not counting LeBron's dunk.

Well, this is a travel. The fact that it doesn't get called al the time, doesn't chance that fact. Some things just don't get called the right way all the time, it happens (as we have seen with the James dunk).

Still don't see why someone is hating when he can acknowledge both that it's a travel and that the dunk should have counted!?

[LakerGirl72]

this is just a minor... dunno.

the real travel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfh2Wjq4WJs
anyway there was a guy named wadecarriez. always loved that guy


holy crap at that travel... LOL!!

[kNIOKAS]

holy crap at that travel... LOL!!
for that matter lets take a look at corey maggette
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN_ljDfevB0

[PJR]

He didn't travel.

[HiphopRelated]

well DJ Augustin travelled twice in the 4th with no call and they took away a Bron dunk that was about as clear a goaltend as you can get.

If they called a travel caused by a hand check, that would have been a disgrace

[LakerGirl72]

for that matter lets take a look at corey maggette
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN_ljDfevB0


does the nba have yearly refresher courses for refs? something wrong with that man's eyes, seriously! lol

[fefe]

that's because you are watching NBA, where travelling happens...try doing that shit in Euroleague for example:lol

I don't know the NBA traveling rules very well, so I have to believe the OP, and in case he is saying the truth about the rules, then Wade certainly traveled.

I'm 100% sure that under FIBA rules, you are allowed to pivot after a jumpstop, and you can chose your pivot foot.

[BaņkShot]

He travelled but who doesn't? :rolleyes:

[kidachi]

Still don't see why someone is hating when he can acknowledge both that it's a travel and that the dunk should have counted!?

you answered like a straight faced "NO". without explanation. I thought you were just a hater. kinda like most of the heat haters.

[KembaWalker]

It's easy to sit back watch the reply a couple of times and call it. The calls where made in the spur of the moment. Maybe if it was to happen again they would call it but who knows, in the end the Heat get the win.
Can't say I am disappointed with the Bobcats effort though. They stuck with them.

[Dwade305]

its a travel because of the handcheck. cant call one because it caused the other.
The trolls will ignore this, but this should end the thread. It was a good no call, on the foul by Henderson and the travel. I have seen Wade get a call like this in the past, but it was the right call to let it go late in the game.

[brantonli]

It's easy to sit back watch the reply a couple of times and call it. The calls where made in the spur of the moment. Maybe if it was to happen again they would call it but who knows, in the end the Heat get the win.
Can't say I am disappointed with the Bobcats effort though. They stuck with them.

Isn't that the point of having 3 refs though? I think one of them watches the feet, one watches the defender, and one watches the other players (e.g. for 3 second defensive). I'm not 100% that's how it goes, can anybody enlighten me?

[boozehound]

Yeah he did, but they will never call that, hell they wouldnt probably call it if he made one more step after jump stop
they will call it on other players, just not the superstars. really annoys me about the way the current (last decade or so) game has been officiated. My favorite is still the foul against portland where dwade tripped over his own feet and was, clearly, not even touched.

[Hittin_Shots]

Wade travels everytime I see him get passed the ball, just starts movin his feet around... Woulda only been called if he was a no name player.

[KingBaller]

The trolls will ignore this, but this should end the thread. It was a good no call, on the foul by Henderson and the travel. I have seen Wade get a call like this in the past, but it was the right call to let it go late in the game.

Come one that doesn't make any sense, why was that the right call to let it go late in the game? Isn't that the most important stretch in the game and then you just say well just don't call anything just let it go? :hammerhead:

[Dwade305]

Come one that doesn't make any sense, why was that the right call to let it go late in the game? Isn't that the most important stretch in the game and then you just say well just don't call anything just let it go? :hammerhead:
If Wade would have stumbled they would have called the handcheck, but all the happened was he slightly moved his pivot and let of a clean shot, therefore a no call was the right call...you got it now bubba or you still trying to comprehend?

[HurricaneKid]

Come one that doesn't make any sense, why was that the right call to let it go late in the game? Isn't that the most important stretch in the game and then you just say well just don't call anything just let it go? :hammerhead:

You can't call the travel because it was caused by an illegal act by the defense. If you blow the whistle its got to go against Henderson. And that would have been a pretty crappy call.

[KingBaller]

If Wade would have stumbled they would have called the handcheck, but all the happened was he slightly moved his pivot and let of a clean shot, therefore a no call was the right call...you got it now bubba or you still trying to comprehend?

A handcheck come on he barely touched him? And yeah he slightly moved his pivot, well you say slighly but it's a whole freaking step... why do you have a travelling rule if you just say well he just moved his pivot a little bit THAT'S WHAT THE RULE IS ALL ABOUT

[HurricaneKid]

Isn't that the point of having 3 refs though? I think one of them watches the feet, one watches the defender, and one watches the other players (e.g. for 3 second defensive). I'm not 100% that's how it goes, can anybody enlighten me?

No. Absolutely not. They have different court responsibilities. While you may be watching the ball all the time refs do not. When I officiate if I am the lead official (of a two man crew- the trail usually has the ball) I will often not know if a basket is made until the defense takes the ball out of bounds.

[HurricaneKid]

A handcheck come on he barely touched him? And yeah he slightly moved his pivot, well you say slighly but it's a whole freaking step... why do you have a travelling rule if you just say well he just moved his pivot a little bit THAT'S WHAT THE RULE IS ALL ABOUT

He had his hand on his hip and moved him. Its not debatable. Usually if you put your hand on a guys hip its just called. Its a no-no. You can move people easily and significantly by doing it. Its why its usually so tightly called.

[jstern]

Though I think it's a travel according to what I read, when thinking of the reasoning for the rule to me it could go both ways, because that hop should be counted as the first step. (This is probably to complicated to explain so I doubt anyone here will understand.)

The reason for the rule is to prevent the player from technically taking 3 steps.

The last dribble belonged to his right foot, and under a normal layup, since he was dribbling with his left hand, the proper foot work for a lay up would have been another step with his left foot witch would be the 1st step, and then another step and jump with his right foot for the left hand dunk or layup.

Now usually when a player takes a hop, he first does one steps and jumps onto two feet, so I assume that reason for that rule is to make it impossible for the player to technically have 3 steps. It's a great rule

So like I said earlier, wade last dribble belonged with his right foot, and then the first step was the first hop, not the second like it usually is. Now I don't know if there's a different rule under this scenario that I just tried to explain where the 1st step is the hop, but I can see how if there was, they could come to a logical conclusion that it wasn't a travel, because he technically never took that 3rd step.

I was like Kobe growing up, studying footwork was like a source of pleasure for me, so I think I see these things under a different light than the average person, so I will probably get negged for this. But if I was part of group that makes up the rules in the NBA, under the scenario that I just described, logically I would not consider that a travel. But since I don't know if they have such a rule for the scenario that I just talked about (the last dribble going with the right leg, and then the 1st step being a hop) I would consider it a travel as it is right now.

Edit: Read the rules at the end of the video. My logic was absolutely spot on, so my final conclusion it was not a travel.

[Parasite]

Did no one see the Maggette travel where he decided not to take the layup and just land instead?

[Dwade305]

A handcheck come on he barely touched him? And yeah he slightly moved his pivot, well you say slighly but it's a whole freaking step... why do you have a travelling rule if you just say well he just moved his pivot a little bit THAT'S WHAT THE RULE IS ALL ABOUT
ok now I see this is a kid who has never played any type of organized basketball, anytime a defender has his hand on someones hip, while the players is moving(in this case a middle of a hop step) it is a foul. You do know the slightest touch to your midsection while your moving forward, causes the player with the ball to be thrown off balance,specially someone who makes his moves so fast like Wade. It is called in high school, college and NBA......dumbf*ck

[necya]

he did not travel on this play.

but all nba players use to travel, nothing new.

[gasolina]

I don't think its a travel at all... and I hate the heat.

But if the rules say its a travel... then it's the referees job to enforce them.

Since I'm bored at work, let's see how post players do it - in an up and under move from the left block.

From the backdown position you perform your last dribble and explode to the lane, usually jumping off the left foot... and jumpstop with two feet, and pumpfake.

With the left foot planted (pivot foot), you step through your right foot and finish.

Essentially the same thing that wade does. Travel? :confusedshrug:

[brantonli]

No. Absolutely not. They have different court responsibilities. While you may be watching the ball all the time refs do not. When I officiate if I am the lead official (of a two man crew- the trail usually has the ball) I will often not know if a basket is made until the defense takes the ball out of bounds.

Oh ok, so what are the responsibilities of each referee? I really want to know.

[HurricaneKid]

Oh ok, so what are the responsibilities of each referee? I really want to know.

I only do 2-man. 3 man crews are a lot different.

http://www.ihoops.com/training-room/officials/How-a-3-Man-Officiating-Crew-Rotates.htm

[KingBaller]

ok now I see this is a kid who has never played any type of organized basketball, anytime a defender has his hand on someones hip, while the players is moving(in this case a middle of a hop step) it is a foul. You do know the slightest touch to your midsection while your moving forward, causes the player with the ball to be thrown off balance,specially someone who makes his moves so fast like Wade. It is called in high school, college and NBA......dumbf*ck

lol you seem so mad
but ok thanks for the information, yes i did play organized basketball at a pretty high level i would see but in europe, where they fortunately dont call every f*cking handcheck because that stuff is just ruining the game imo

[Jasi]

The reason for the rule is to prevent the player from technically taking 3 steps.

The last dribble belonged to his right foot, and under a normal layup, since he was dribbling with his left hand, the proper foot work for a lay up would have been another step with his left foot witch would be the 1st step, and then another step and jump with his right foot for the left hand dunk or layup.

Now usually when a player takes a hop, he first does one steps and jumps onto two feet, so I assume that reason for that rule is to make it impossible for the player to technically have 3 steps. It's a great rule

So like I said earlier, wade last dribble belonged with his right foot, and then the first step was the first hop, not the second like it usually is. Now I don't know if there's a different rule under this scenario that I just tried to explain where the 1st step is the hop, but I can see how if there was, they could come to a logical conclusion that it wasn't a travel, because he technically never took that 3rd step.


If your second step is the hop, and then you land on both feet, it's a travel the moment you land.
Your logic is flawed.
You can't make a first step, then a second (hop), then land on both feet, wtf.

The rule is written exactly for a case like Wade's here. Jumps off one foot on the first step, lands on both feet.

[brantonli]

^^ Ah thanks very much for the link, I didn't realise 3 man ref teams really cover areas of the court rather than specific players, thanks for that!

[jstern]

If your second step is the hop, and then you land on both feet, it's a travel the moment you land.
Your logic is flawed.
You can't make a first step, then a second (hop), then land on both feet, wtf.

The rule is written exactly for a case like Wade's here. Jumps off one foot on the first step, lands on both feet.

Um, re read the NBA rule on the video. It says, "A progressing player who jumps off one foot on the first step may land with both feet simultaneously for the second step." That's what I'm referring too. A first step, and then landing on two feet.

And like I said, Wade didn't take a first step, he just went straight into both feet, if not the second part of the rule with have been in effect which is, "In this situations (where the player jumps off one foot on the first step and lands on two feet) the player may not pivot with either foot and if one or both feet leave the floor the ball must be released before either returns to the floor" Again, my point being Wade was never in the situation that this rule describe in specific details. They didn't just say lands on two feet, they said takes a step and then lands on two feet. If it was just lands on two feet, then they wouldn't specifically said a step and then two feet.

Edit: I just re read your post. Don't tell me you've never seen a player take a step into two feet.

[gasolina]

I think the first step he was referring to was the step off the live dribble and before the ball gather. So the hop and land on two feet is actually the 1st and 2nd steps allowed before they call a travel.

It not like Lebron who likes to dribble once, step with left foot, step and jump off right foot, and land with both feet. That's a travel

[Jasi]

Um, re read the NBA rule on the video. It says, "A progressing player who jumps off one foot on the first step may land with both feet simultaneously for the second step." That's what I'm referring too. A first step, and then landing on two feet.

And like I said, Wade didn't take a first step, he just went straight into both feet, if not the second part of the rule with have been in effect which is, "In this situations (where the player jumps off one foot on the first step and lands on two feet) the player may not pivot with either foot and if one or both feet leave the floor the ball must be released before either returns to the floor" Again, my point being Wade was never in the situation that this rule describe in specific details. They didn't just say lands on two feet, they said takes a step and then lands on two feet. If it was just lands on two feet, then they wouldn't specifically said a step and then two feet.

Edit: I just re read your post. Don't tell me you've never seen a player take a step into two feet.

I see what you mean now.
You say that Wade's first step is the two-feet step. I see your logic now.
But it seems to me, Wade picked up his dribble before the right foot step, so that's a first step to me.
But in general I like your logic

[HurricaneKid]

Oh ok, so what are the responsibilities of each referee? I really want to know.

In a two man each guy has two out of bounds responsibilities. The lead has the baseline and the length wise on the side he is on. Generally its his responsibility to take up to the opposite elbow and over to his out of bounds. You are usually positioned under the backboard looking towards the banging underneath.

You look at the game totally differently when you officiate. You watch a lot more off the ball action.

[Floppy]

This is basketball 101. A jump stop counts as 2 steps and you can only shoot or pass after it. What's there to argue about?

[Dwyane Rose]

Even if it didn't count, Miami should've won anyways because of LeBron's uncounted dunk. 2 bad calls cancel each other out.

[jstern]

I see what you mean now.
You say that Wade's first step is the two-feet step. I see your logic now.
But it seems to me, Wade picked up his dribble before the right foot step, so that's a first step to me.
But in general I like your logic

It's complicated because it's not clear to people when watching a player go up for a dunk or layup exactly when the final step when dribbling stops, so that's why there's always a debate on youtube about traveling on average NBA dunks. Some people start counting as soon as the ball hits the floor, or when the ball reaches the player's hand etc. On that Wade video, seeing it in slow motion it's clear that the last dribble went with Wade's right foot, yet the person who made the video counts it as first step. I mean if that was the 1st step, then the NBA as we know it today would not exist.

Forgetting about this video, typically, the way I see it from so many years of watching the NBA and studying moves is that a dribble goes with a step. Sometimes they might not line up perfectly, but they belong to each other. And when they don't line up perfectly that's when the controversy starts. Sometimes the ball might reach the players hand a tad bit earlier than the step, the step being only 90% there as they try to dodge the defense, but that step still belong to that dribble. That's the way it's always called, but people like on youtube have a rigid interpretation of how it should be called.

[hoop_soup]

It's complicated because it's not clear to people when watching a player go up for a dunk or layup exactly when the final step when dribbling stops, so that's why there's always a debate on youtube about traveling on average NBA dunks. Some people start counting as soon as the ball hits the floor, or when the ball reaches the player's hand etc. On that Wade video, seeing it in slow motion it's clear that the last dribble went with Wade's right foot, yet the person who made the video counts it as first step. I mean if that was the 1st step, then the NBA as we know it today would not exist.

Forgetting about this video, typically, the way I see it from so many years of watching the NBA and studying moves is that a dribble goes with a step. Sometimes they might not line up perfectly, but they belong to each other. And when they don't line up perfectly that's when the controversy starts. Sometimes the ball might reach the players hand a tad bit earlier than the step, the step being only 90% there as they try to dodge the defense, but that step still belong to that dribble. That's the way it's always called, but people like on youtube have a rigid interpretation of how it should be called.


If a ball reaches the players hand earlier than one of the steps, its a travel. That's what happened in this video. Should the refs have called it a travel though? I don't know. You can only tell its a travel once you slow it down, and while its the refs job to call near impossible calls, they are still human.

[Chrono90]

It's all good if I did that in the park lol...

It was a travel but it's hard to spot at the moment. Probably a little bit of star treatment. It also kills the entertainment of the game if a travel is called at that time.

[gasolina]

If a ball reaches the players hand earlier than one of the steps, its a travel. That's what happened in this video. Should the refs have called it a travel though? I don't know. You can only tell its a travel once you slow it down, and while its the refs job to call near impossible calls, they are still human.
Yes I agree its almost impossible to call them at real time, but that's why they just call it out of memory. All of us grew up on dribble+one step, gather, two steps, layup and we've seen that move countless times. If it looks wrong then its probably a travel.

It's only now that we've seen uber-athletic players that can do multiple steps before the ball comes back up from a dribble to a layup.

[Kevin_Gamble]

It's all good if I did that in the park lol...

It was a travel but it's hard to spot at the moment. Probably a little bit of star treatment. It also kills the entertainment of the game if a travel is called at that time.

Well, it also kills the entertainment of the game if rules are not enforced. The whole point of basketball is that you have to dribble or pass the ball to move around. If you can just walk around with the ball, then what makes it still basketball?

[NastyCrossover1]

He didn't travel , what he did was gather hop on two feet, then pick up his foot and placed it back down. He didn't switch his pivot foot.

[Dictator]

Cause he did
http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2011/12/have-ball-will-travel-dwyane-wade-iv/

A progressing player who jumps off one foot on the first step may land with both feet simultaneously for the second step. In this situation, the player may not pivot with either foot and if one or both feet leave the floor the ball must be released before either returns to the floor

that's exactly what he did,he pivoted after he landed with both feet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nlCxXkiWBEk

Wade didn't travel. He took a hopstep. His left foot was planted. He moved his right foot while the left was still planted then jumped again with both feet. Not a travel.

But Wade took 3 steps while traveling to the rim if you look closely, and he carried.

[tpols]

Big men do this all the time. Hopstep and then use their pivot to evade the defender. Wade did it kind of awkwardly though because he was going straight at the hoop instead of sideways while backing someone down.

[R.I.P.]

The traveling rules are more sort of guide lines NBA refs know about and sometimes apply to rookies if they feel like it.
Every other amazing play would be waived off if the stuck strictly to what the rules say and that would subsequently put people off watching the game.

Yup, to quote

Captain Barbossa: First, your return to shore was not part of our negotiations nor our agreement so I must do nothing. And secondly, you must be a pirate for the pirate's code to apply and you're not. And thirdly, the code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules. Welcome aboard the Black Pearl, Miss Turner.

:pimp:

[I.R.Beast]

i callled it in the game thread...lol....i noticed it on the replay.....noone noticed, it was wierd... Hopstep = 2 steps then he steps again......They need another referee that pays attention to nothing but the players feet.

[GOBB]

Though I think it's a travel according to what I read, when thinking of the reasoning for the rule to me it could go both ways, because that hop should be counted as the first step. (This is probably to complicated to explain so I doubt anyone here will understand.)

The reason for the rule is to prevent the player from technically taking 3 steps.

The last dribble belonged to his right foot, and under a normal layup, since he was dribbling with his left hand, the proper foot work for a lay up would have been another step with his left foot witch would be the 1st step, and then another step and jump with his right foot for the left hand dunk or layup.

Now usually when a player takes a hop, he first does one steps and jumps onto two feet, so I assume that reason for that rule is to make it impossible for the player to technically have 3 steps. It's a great rule

So like I said earlier, wade last dribble belonged with his right foot, and then the first step was the first hop, not the second like it usually is. Now I don't know if there's a different rule under this scenario that I just tried to explain where the 1st step is the hop, but I can see how if there was, they could come to a logical conclusion that it wasn't a travel, because he technically never took that 3rd step.

I was like Kobe growing up, studying footwork was like a source of pleasure for me, so I think I see these things under a different light than the average person, so I will probably get negged for this. But if I was part of group that makes up the rules in the NBA, under the scenario that I just described, logically I would not consider that a travel. But since I don't know if they have such a rule for the scenario that I just talked about (the last dribble going with the right leg, and then the 1st step being a hop) I would consider it a travel as it is right now.

Edit: Read the rules at the end of the video. My logic was absolutely spot on, so my final conclusion it was not a travel.

Good post I started to write and good thing I read the 2nd page.

[I.R.Beast]

Not sure why they didn't call it........ awful footwork from Wade, obvious travel, and yet it isn't called.
Lebron favorite move is the hopestep pivot, he never gets called for it. I wish i was a referee, superstar players would hate me for not letting them get away with BS.

[shootingcomets]

tbh i think it's a travel. I thought they've been cracking down on the hop step.

If it was a dribble then plant 2 feet like when posting up then reverse pivot for a fadeaway or hook shot then that's fine.

I havnt watched the whole game, what's done is done it's a missed call, but really... a loss is probably good for the bobcats lol arent they in tank mode? I mean there's a reson why the shipped out all their good players right???

[upside24]

Shaq's entire career is built on pivoting after hopsteps. :lol

[andgar923]

Cause he did
http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2011/12/have-ball-will-travel-dwyane-wade-iv/

A progressing player who jumps off one foot on the first step may land with both feet simultaneously for the second step. In this situation, the player may not pivot with either foot and if one or both feet leave the floor the ball must be released before either returns to the floor

that's exactly what he did,he pivoted after he landed with both feet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nlCxXkiWBEk

Really? :facepalm

[ThatsGame]

I guess the refs felt bad about not awarding the 2 points on that dunk and let the travel after handcheck go.

[BaņkShot]

A lot of players travel, refs don't always call it.

[pmj]

It doesn't look to me like he gathers the ball until he's already in the process of the jump stop, in which case you're allowed to pivot.

The video is really crappy quality though.

Edit - Also, did you SEE the jump stop Maggette did earlier in the game? THAT was horrible.

[04mzwach]

I think that Wade should be a ref at the All-Star Game for his achievements. I'd laugh my ass off and the All-Star Game is all about entertainment anyway.

[cuad]

This all hinges on whether Wade's first step counts as a step. The NBA says that it does.

http://www.nba.com/official/

If the rules in OPs video are correct, then Wade did travel and the NBA is flat out lying to people. If the NBA wanted to say this was legal, they should have said that Wade's first step was not a a first step.

[ThatsGame]

Games over guys. Nobody cares now. Besides Miami would have won anyway if the game was scored fairly.

[Dave3]

If you're interested, the guy updated his article "Have Ball, Will Travel" and is now saying it's not a travel. What he was calling the first step is considered the gather, and landing from the hop is considered the first step.

If anyone is interested.

[bwink23]

Cause he did
http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2011/12/have-ball-will-travel-dwyane-wade-iv/

A progressing player who jumps off one foot on the first step may land with both feet simultaneously for the second step. In this situation, the player may not pivot with either foot and if one or both feet leave the floor the ball must be released before either returns to the floor

that's exactly what he did,he pivoted after he landed with both feet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nlCxXkiWBEk


He CORRECTED his original post. He was deemed LEGAL on the move.

[jstern]

If you're interested, the guy updated his article "Have Ball, Will Travel" and is now saying it's not a travel. What he was calling the first step is considered the gather, and landing from the hop is considered the first step.

If anyone is interested.
Thanks you. I knew it was the correct call.

[Jasper]

The NBA allows a player to define his stationary foot , whether he pivots a foot 1 time or 100 times....

D-Wade's left foot after the hoop step was his stationary foot and deemed legal.

If he were to hoop / pivot and jump off of the pivot foot - it would be deemed a travel.

[comerb]

They haven't called that as a travel in the NBA for 30 years. Funny how people bitch about it when it's the Heat.

[Kiarip]

I'm pretty sure I've seen hundreds of plays like these and never was there a call for traveling..

yeah it happens tons of times when Lebron or Wade have the ball... They are the new generation of players that doesn't need to follow the rules.

[Kiarip]

The NBA allows a player to define his stationary foot , whether he pivots a foot 1 time or 100 times....

D-Wade's left foot after the hoop step was his stationary foot and deemed legal.

If he were to hoop / pivot and jump off of the pivot foot - it would be deemed a travel.
you can't have a pivot foot after a hopstep. If you lift up a foot after a hopstep and then put it down it's already a travel... all you can do is lift left foot, or lift right foot, or jump.

[DMAVS41]

not a travel. the nba just confirmed no travel on the play.

[mrclose]

yeah it happens tons of times when Lebron or Wade have the ball... They are the new generation of players that doesn't need to follow the rules.Are you talking about Wade or Obama?

[GOBB]

not a travel. the nba just confirmed no travel on the play.

Link?

[DMAVS41]

Link?
http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/7401318/nba-says-dwyane-wade-did-not-travel-game-winning-shot-vs-charlotte-bobcats

[GOBB]

http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/7401318/nba-says-dwyane-wade-did-not-travel-game-winning-shot-vs-charlotte-bobcats

Thanks. Thats exactly what I thought (how they explained the play). :cheers:

Hey everybody in the thread. STFU now. lol

[Jasper]

Back in the 80's Sidney Moncrief was kind of lik a expert at doing this to throw off the defense

[GOBB]

Back in the 80's Sidney Moncrief was kind of lik a expert at doing this to throw off the defense

Underrated player right there.

[Jasper]

He's Skiles assistant now .

[sixer6ad]

Underrated player right there.

I'm so sorry many of you did not see Sidney Moncrief play. And Terry Cummings. And Jack Sickma. And Norm Nixon.

Played hard. Shut their mouths. Loved their teams. Wonder if this league will ever be that again with all of these Prima Donnas running the joint?

[kidachi]

yeah it happens tons of times when Lebron or Wade have the ball... They are the new generation of players that doesn't need to follow the rules.

Lighten up Mr. know-it-all

http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/7401318/nba-says-dwyane-wade-did-not-travel-game-winning-shot-vs-charlotte-bobcats