LeBron hasn't taken a 3 pointer yet

[Doranku]

I know it's only been three games, but after averaging ~4 three pointer attempts a game over the past few years it seems like he might be making it a point to cut down on the 3's this year.

Crazy how efficient/dominant he is when he doesn't settle for the longball. 32 ppg on 59% so far. :eek:

I wonder if he'll continue turning down 3's and if so, could we possibly see a 52-53% FG season from LeBron?

[All Net]

Wade hasn't took a three yet either

[ThatsGame]

Good thing too, he's learned new moves in the post and is doing pretty well there now. We'll see what happens tonight..

[DRose1899]

I thought he already take one against celtics?

But yeah he seems want to cut down the 3s.

[TheAesirsFinest]

^might have had a foot on the line.

Thank. God. for. that. Watching LeBron just stand outside the 3 point line last season killed me. So boring!

Let's see if he can keep it up at 4/4.

[kurple]

:applause: well done LBJ and Wade. More players should do this

This and defense is why I think the Heat will be sucsessful, they know what it takes to win.

[Clippersfan86]

I didn't notice but that's awesome. It means Wade/Lebron are playing more to their strengths this year.

[jlip]

Lebron has been hard to figure out at times. Honestly his fg% on the surface doesn't seem to be greatly affected by whether he takes 3's or not. After the slow start to last season this is how he finished the season:

Dec.
16 games
65 3PA 4.06 3 PA/g
25.2ppg
51.1fg%

Jan.
12 games
46 3PA, 3.83 3PA/g
30.6ppg
47.9fg%

Feb.
12 games
40 3PA, 3.33 3PA/g
26.9ppg
53.0fg%

Mar.
15 games
49 3PA, 3.26 3PA/g
28.0ppg
58.0fg%

April
6 games
17 3PA, 2.83 3PA/g
28.5ppg
55.2fg%

[Rnbizzle]

They'll take some of those eventually late in the shotclock, which is okay. I like the fact they aren't settling anymore though, they were never good/great 3 point shooters anyways, their midrange games are so much better. Plus with the addition of the postgame, Lebron is getting scary good.

[Miller for 3]

Shows his lack of skill. hes only getting points on cherrypicking, bail out free throws, and scoring off travels. come playoffs he will revert to his 3 pt chucking 22ppg on 35% shooting self :bowdown:

[RRR3]

If he completely stops taking threes this year, he should easily shoot 53% or higher. He shot 50 and 51% the last two years (respectively) and that was with him taking 5.1 and 3.5 threes a game. Still I don't think he should never take threes, as he is a fair three point shooter. His problem has been that he takes contested pull-up threes way too often and simply takes too many threes in general. He can definitely get in a rhythm from three, but at the same time, he can also go quite cold but continue to chuck threes. Looks like he's not relying on the three ball to bail him out now, which is a good sign. Still, I think there will be times LBJ should shoot threes, but only when necessary or if he's really feeling it. He also needs to avoid falling in love with the three again once he makes a few.

Also, just for reference, LeBron's FG%, 3P%, and 2P% throughout his career to see how he might do if he stops chucking threes
2003-04: 41.7 FG%, 28.9 3P% (2.7 attempts per game). 43.8 2P%
2004-05: 47.2 FG%, 35.1 3P% (3.9 attempts per game). 49.9 2P%
2005-06: 48.0 FG%, 33.5 3P% (4.8 attempts per game). 51.8 2P%
2006-07: 47.6 FG%, 31.9 3P% (4.0 attempts per game). 51.3 2P%
2007-08: 48.4 FG%, 31.5 3P% (4.8 attempts per game). 53.1 2P%
2008-09: 48.9 FG%, 34.4 3P% (4.7 attempts per game). 53.5 2P%
2009-10: 50.3 FG%, 33.3 3P% (5.1 attempts per game). 56.0 2P%
2010-11: 51.0 FG%, 33.0 3P% (3.5 attempts per game). 55.2 2P%
2011-12 (so far) 58.9 FG%, no threes taken yet.

Career: 47.9 FG%, 32.9 3P% (4.2 attempts per game). 51.8 2P%

[ThatsGame]

Shows his lack of skill. hes only getting points on cherrypicking, bail out free throws, and scoring off travels. come playoffs he will revert to his 3 pt chucking 22ppg on 35% shooting self :bowdown:

:no: You're an idiot.

[MMKM]

Wade hasn't took a three yet either
Yes he did. Eventually Bron will have to shoot one to beat the clock at the end of a quarter or something. Fun to see how long he can go without jacking one up. It shows he is more conscious about getting high percentage shots. Bad news for the rest of the league.

[DonDadda59]

I know it's only been three games, but after averaging ~4 three pointer attempts a game over the past few years it seems like he might be making it a point to cut down on the 3's this year.

Crazy how efficient/dominant he is when he doesn't settle for the longball. 32 ppg on 59% so far. :eek:

I wonder if he'll continue turning down 3's and if so, could we possibly see a 52-53% FG season from LeBron?

He wouldn't fit in with the Knicks :oldlol:

But seriously, I'm glad he's making an effort to improve his post game should've been working on it years ago. It's more effective and efficient to work out of the post than it is to chuck stupid 3s, especially early in the shot clock. If he keeps playing like this, it might go down as his best season yet and that's a frightening thought.

[TheAesirsFinest]

Still I don't think he should never take threes, as he is a fair three point shooter. His problem has been that he takes contested pull-up threes way too often and simply takes too many threes in general.

From my memories of last season, I have the impression that LeBron is actually pretty good at dribbling and pulling up for 3 (within reason ofc). He is quite terrible at catch and shoot 3s (with no gather motion) though. IIRC, a considerable portion of the botched game winners last season were from LeBron catch-and-shoot-3-pointers, which is one of the reasons why I think Spoelstra is an idiot.

And we all know how those ended up.

Clank off the backboard airballs. Very funny in retrospect.

[inclinerator]

Yes he did. Eventually Bron will have to shoot one to beat the clock at the end of a quarter or something. Fun to see how long he can go without jacking one up. It shows he is more conscious about getting high percentage shots. Bad news for the rest of the league.
no he didnt

[Dragonyeuw]

I wonder if he'll continue turning down 3's and if so, could we possibly see a 52-53% FG season from LeBron?

Easily. He shot 51% last season, while taking 287 threes. I wouldn't rule out a 55% season if he keeps the 3's at a minimum,and sticks to midrange, post-ups,and drives.

[The Iron Fist]

Gotta get that PER title!

[DMAVS41]

What he's doing right now is extremely impressive. He is clearly committed to not only dominating, but playing much smarter and not settling/letting the defense off the hook at all.

However, and I know this is a bit unfair, I don't give a shit until the playoffs. There is no doubting that Lebron is simply one of the greatest players of all time, but he has to play like that throughout the entire playoffs.

I know its been done before, but you could point to Lebron's playoff play in the finals in 07 as holding his team back. His play against the Celtics in 08 holding his team back. 09 he was a freak of nature. 10...his play held his team back. 11...he choked in the finals.

Now, those are absurdly high standards and there are legit reasons/excuses for every year other than last year. But Lebron coming up so small last year in the finals makes me rethink his entire career. I always supported Lebron and defended him and said it was a terrible situation.

Well...he's got the chances now. He's got to win and win a lot over the next few years. Starting with this year. We'll see.

[HylianNightmare]

going to be a scary team this year

[The Iron Fist]

What he's doing right now is extremely impressive. He is clearly committed to not only dominating, but playing much smarter and not settling/letting the defense off the hook at all.

However, and I know this is a bit unfair, I don't give a shit until the playoffs. There is no doubting that Lebron is simply one of the greatest players of all time, but he has to play like that throughout the entire playoffs.

I know its been done before, but you could point to Lebron's playoff play in the finals in 07 as holding his team back. His play against the Celtics in 08 holding his team back. 09 he was a freak of nature. 10...his play held his team back. 11...he choked in the finals.

Now, those are absurdly high standards and there are legit reasons/excuses for every year other than last year. But Lebron coming up so small last year in the finals makes me rethink his entire career. I always supported Lebron and defended him and said it was a terrible situation.

Well...he's got the chances now. He's got to win and win a lot over the next few years. Starting with this year. We'll see.


Uh, there is HUGE doubt. Freaking HUGE.

[Fatal9]

LeBron was even more efficient than Jordan ever was on 2 pt FGs in 2010 (or was it 2009? One of the two).

[28renyoy]

Durant is shooting 58% while taking 5 3's a game :lol

[DMAVS41]

Uh, there is HUGE doubt. Freaking HUGE.

No...there really isn't. Well...it depends on your definition. If you are one of the 20 best to ever play....that is one of the greatest to me.

At worst, Lebron will go down in the 15 to 20 range all time. At worst. He will most likely go down as one of the 12 best ever.

[pegasus]

Not taking any 3's will come back to bite them in the ass in the playoffs. Without their clutch 3-point shooting, they may have not even made it past Boston or Chicago.

When teams force them to play half-court basketball, they're gonna have to resort back to their old habits, which will be rusty by then.

[ThatsGame]

Not taking any 3's will come back to bite them in the ass in the playoffs. Without their clutch 3-point shooting, they may have not even made it past Boston or Chicago.

When teams force them to play half-court basketball, they're gonna have to resort back to their old habits, which will be rusty by then.

Good thing they have shooters for that like JJ. :facepalm

[pegasus]

Good thing they have shooters for that like JJ. :facepalm

When was the last time JJ took a 3 late in the game? Hell, when was the last time JJ was on the court late in the game?

[TheAesirsFinest]

Not taking any 3's will come back to bite them in the ass in the playoffs. Without their clutch 3-point shooting, they may have not even made it past Boston or Chicago.

When teams force them to play half-court basketball, they're gonna have to resort back to their old habits, which will be rusty by then.

Their tendency to settle for 3s was a major reason why they were down and needed the clutch 3s.

Still, I think I'll stay pessimistic and have my doubts about this team up until they win 4 Finals games. Like you pointed out, their half court basketball is iffy at best.

[ThatsGame]

When was the last time JJ took a 3 late in the game? Hell, when was the last time JJ was on the court late in the game?

Like guy above me said. They wouldn't need late game threes if they didn't resort to throwing up crap they don't hit as often as someone like JJ. If they need 3's, then the shooters need to be taking them.

[LBJ 23]

I'm impressed with his new, smarter playing style but I will surely miss his heat checks like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esmDUkRSSUc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP3YH6LExWQ&feature=related

[HurricaneKid]

Gotta get that PER title!

He has won it the last 4 years. Here are the people that have won that title more:

Jordan
Wilt
Kareem
Shaq

Sorry but that is an impressive list. If LeBron can get his title count up to 3-4 before he is done he will be a top 10 player. If he can't then he will unfortunately be remembered as much for falling short in the playoffs.

[bond10]

Not taking any 3's will come back to bite them in the ass in the playoffs. Without their clutch 3-point shooting, they may have not even made it past Boston or Chicago.

When teams force them to play half-court basketball, they're gonna have to resort back to their old habits, which will be rusty by then.

This is what's scary. I feel like getting past Boston and Chicago on outside shooting was kinda lucky (cause they definitely couldn't do this in the regular season). Sometimes the bench stepped up, other times Lebron/Wade came through with some lucky ass 3s. They have problems playing vs zones, definitely need to figure it out.

[Dave3]

Not taking any 3's will come back to bite them in the ass in the playoffs. Without their clutch 3-point shooting, they may have not even made it past Boston or Chicago.

When teams force them to play half-court basketball, they're gonna have to resort back to their old habits, which will be rusty by then.
:facepalm

Wth? So "LeBron is a choker" but he needs to take 3s because of his clutch 3 point shooting? Wth?

You realize its not the entire Heat team that's not shooting 3s anymore right? It's ONLY LeBron + Wade. Career 33% and 31% 3FGA shooters, while staying as 52%+ on 2FGA. Why would they be shooting 3s when they surrounded by James Jones, Mario Chalmers, and Shane Battier. 3 point shots should be left to the guys who make them more efficiently.

[I.R.Beast]

I know it's only been three games, but after averaging ~4 three pointer attempts a game over the past few years it seems like he might be making it a point to cut down on the 3's this year.

Crazy how efficient/dominant he is when he doesn't settle for the longball. 32 ppg on 59% so far. :eek:

I wonder if he'll continue turning down 3's and if so, could we possibly see a 52-53% FG season from LeBron?
nor has wade....it's a good thing....th only 3s they should be taking it's open 3 created by the offense on kickouts etc. Wade and James FG% is gonna be through the roof because of it.

[Doranku]

Didn't realize that Wade hadn't taken any either. To me, that says there absolutely is some sort of focused effort going on for those guys to cut back on the 3's. Good shit, definitely seems to be working as Miami looks better than ever right now.


Durant is shooting 58% while taking 5 3's a game :lol

Yeah, if both he and LeBron keep up this type of play (or level off similarly), who gets the MVP? Both will likely have a top 2 record in their conference and both will be head and shoulders above the rest of the league performance wise. Looks like a much better MVP race to be had than last year so far.

[rugrats]

he finaly realized he brickin em too much? took only 8 years

[JerrySteakhouse]

He doesn't need to take 3s.

[HelterSkelter]

he finaly realized he brickin em too much? took only 8 years


Get out of the computer and do the damn dishes -your mom

[rugrats]

Get out of the computer and do the damn dishes -your mom

how did i get in fool :lol

brickin dem insults like yo boy lebrick

[TheAesirsFinest]

Yeah, if both he and LeBron keep up this type of play (or level off similarly), who gets the MVP? Both will likely have a top 2 record in their conference and both will be head and shoulders above the rest of the league performance wise. Looks like a much better MVP race to be had than last year so far.

Yeah, seriously. Last year's best players were a lot worse than the seasons before.

It's a bit of stretch, but I hope Kobe somehow returns to Godbe this season, at least for a couple of games. Last season seriously left me wanting more huge scoring performances.

[The Iron Fist]

He has won it the last 4 years. Here are the people that have won that title more:

Jordan
Wilt
Kareem
Shaq

Sorry but that is an impressive list. If LeBron can get his title count up to 3-4 before he is done he will be a top 10 player. If he can't then he will unfortunately be remembered as much for falling short in the playoffs.


But at least he'll have his PER titles to keep him warm and cozy.


PER, big ****ing deal.

[rugrats]

But at least he'll have his PER titles to keep him warm and cozy.


PER, big ****ing deal.

check his mvp shirt he deluded like a balloon

[The Iron Fist]

No...there really isn't. Well...it depends on your definition. If you are one of the 20 best to ever play....that is one of the greatest to me.

At worst, Lebron will go down in the 15 to 20 range all time. At worst. He will most likely go down as one of the 12 best ever.


Hes not even one of the 20 best ever.

[pegasus]

:facepalm

Wth? So "LeBron is a choker" but he needs to take 3s because of his clutch 3 point shooting? Wth?

You realize its not the entire Heat team that's not shooting 3s anymore right? It's ONLY LeBron + Wade. Career 33% and 31% 3FGA shooters, while staying as 52%+ on 2FGA. Why would they be shooting 3s when they surrounded by James Jones, Mario Chalmers, and Shane Battier. 3 point shots should be left to the guys who make them more efficiently.

You do realize that majority of the time Lebron and Wade are on the court at the same time, right? Especially late in the games. So that leaves only one player the opposing teams would have to worry about taking a 3.

Having that kind of spacing while being forced to play half-court basketball in the playoffs is a recipe for disaster. That is unless you want Bosh or Anthony/Haslem to start taking 3's instead. Good luck with that.

[HelterSkelter]

how did i get in fool :lol

brickin dem insults like yo boy lebrick

u dumbfck im not a lebron fan. u from la? where exactly? i'd hit you with it if u like brickin so much. jimmy the crickett mfer

[RazorBaLade]

people that dont understand math <

his number might be lower but with 3s hes more efficient by far.. by FAR... what a moron.... this isnt making him more efficient

[rugrats]

u dumbfck im not a lebron fan. u from la? where exactly? i'd hit you with it if u like brickin so much. jimmy the crickett mfer

u prolly lerned how to brick good watchin da heat play

[RRR3]

Well, unlike Wade, who until the last few years was pretty much useless for 3Pters (he's improved immensely, but still), LeBron is a better 3PT shooter than his percentages might indicate. He's certainly far from a great 3PT shooter, but he is a good one IMO he just takes way too many and often they are contested. If he picked his spots, and took less threes, he'd be more effective. LeBron can get on fire from three though, I don't think Wade can really do that the same way. Still, LeBron is more effective the way he is playing right now, no need to be chucking up threes. It's not like he's the only superstar perimeter player who isn't very efficient from three.

LBJ compared to notable perimeter players of his ERA in 3PT shooting:

LBJ: 32.9% career, 4.2 attempted per game. Career high 35.1% on 3.9 attempts per game
Kobe: 33.9% career, 3.8 attempted per game. Career high 38.3% on 4 attempts per game
T-Mac: 33.7% career, 3.6 attempted per game. Career high 38.6% on 6 attempts per game
Iverson: 31.3% career, 3.7 attempted per game. Career high 34.5% on 3.4 attempts per game
Melo: 32.1% career on 2.5 attempts per game. Career high 37.8% on 3.3 attempts per game
Wade: 29.2% career on 1.9 attempts per game. Career high 31.7% on 3.5 attempts per game
Arenas: 35.1% career on 5.7 attempts per game. Career high 37.5% on 6.1 attempts per game
Kevin Durant: 35.9% career on 3.8 attempts per game. Career high 42.2% on 3.1 attempts per game

[rugrats]

LBJ usually bricks 3s when his team need em

[Dave3]

You do realize that majority of the time Lebron and Wade are on the court at the same time, right? Especially late in the games. So that leaves only one player the opposing teams would have to worry about taking a 3.

Having that kind of spacing while being forced to play half-court basketball in the playoffs is a recipe for disaster. That is unless you want Bosh or Anthony/Haslem to start taking 3's instead. Good luck with that.
1. Bosh can shoot and make 3s.
2. Why does it matter if you claim they're not clutch anyways? How does shooting a shot that isn't going in help anything (according to you). Where in that do you see logic?

[Doranku]

people that dont understand math <

his number might be lower but with 3s hes more efficient by far.. by FAR... what a moron.... this isnt making him more efficient

:wtf:

Like I said, it's only been three games, but so far:

-Bron is at 68% TS
-Instead of taking ill-advised 3's at the end of games, he's putting the ball on the floor and either taking a mid-range shot or drawing fouls
-Averaging are 13 FTs/game

How is that not more efficient than what he's been in the past?

[All Net]

LBJ usually bricks 3s when his team need em

Bulls and celtic fans wish he did...

[Andrei89]

Bulls and celtic fans wish he did...


dont bother.

Just another loser who created an acount just to bash Lebron.

Close your esyes 5 seconds and imagine what kind of life this kid has:lol

[ThatsGame]

dont bother.

Just another loser who created an acount just to bash Lebron.

Close your esyes 5 seconds and imagine what kind of life this kid has:lol

Doesn't even 5 seconds to imagine, since theres nothing to imagine. :lol

[rugrats]

Bulls and celtic fans wish he did...


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[rugrats]

dont bother.

Just another loser who created an acount just to bash Lebron.

Close your esyes 5 seconds and imagine what kind of life this kid has:lol

awww heat fans gonn cry? :lol :lol :lol

[Dave3]

people that dont understand math <

his number might be lower but with 3s hes more efficient by far.. by FAR... what a moron.... this isnt making him more efficient
Yeah, people like you lol (though it's just more likely you didn't bother checking the numbers before talking). His eFG% (which includes his 3s made as 1.5 FG instead of 1) in the past is still lower than his raw FG% now. How was he more efficient before?

[All Net]

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Cool regular season highlights.

I was talking about the playoff series...fact is lebron was very good in the clutch in the east playoffs.

[rugrats]

Cool regular season highlights.

I was talking about the playoff series...fact is lebron was very good in the clutch in the east playoffs.

den he shut down at the most important stage :lol :lol

[LilEddyCurry]

Eddy Curry is the GOAT 3 point shooter with 100%

[bwink23]

Unbelievable so many idiots here criticizing Lebron for not taking a LOW-PERCENTAGE shot. WOW. 3's are a vey overrated part of the game..They get misused all the time, especially by players who have no business taking them.

[Andrei89]

den he shut down at the most important stage :lol :lol

By the same team that swept Kobster?:banana: :banana: :banana:

[RazorBaLade]

:wtf:

Like I said, it's only been three games, but so far:

-Bron is at 68% TS
-Instead of taking ill-advised 3's at the end of games, he's putting the ball on the floor and either taking a mid-range shot or drawing fouls
-Averaging are 13 FTs/game

How is that not more efficient than what he's been in the past?

I'm retarded, I thought he shot 3's way better than he does. My apologies, I am wrong. in this particular case he'd be more efficient. Its sorta kinda close tho, he'd need to make about 10 more threes last year to have been more efficient than if he were to shoot 53% this year. x_x

[rugrats]

By the same team that swept Kobster?:banana: :banana: :banana:

wade and bosh couldnt even help out ya boy :lol

he needs LAWD GODBE, Howard Cp3, deron williams on his team

[Andrei89]

wade and bosh couldnt even help out ya boy :lol

he needs LAWD GODBE, Howard Cp3, deron williams on his team

But...but...but you predicted last year that they would make it a three-peat and that the Lakers were a GODLIKE team behind the amazing Kobster!

[Dave3]

I'm retarded, I thought he shot 3's way better than he does. My apologies, I am wrong. in this particular case he'd be more efficient. Its sorta kinda close tho, he'd need to make about 10 more threes last year to have been more efficient than if he were to shoot 53% this year. x_x
You thought he shot 3s way better than 33%, or you thought he shot 2s worse than like 56%?

[baccano]

I'm impressed with his new, smarter playing style but I will surely miss his heat checks like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esmDUkRSSUc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP3YH6LExWQ&feature=related


That's fuc*ing awesome! Good shit!

And yeah, stick to open 3's, no more contested 3's.

[TheAesirsFinest]

Cool regular season highlights.

I was talking about the playoff series...fact is lebron was very good in the clutch in the east playoffs.

Dude, you're talking to kaiiu. Don't bother. I'm willing to bet my life savings that moron has never touched a book in his life.

[baccano]

For reference, this is a interesting article on this:

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/10960/on-lebron-and-wades-vanishing-act-from-3

The author makes a good point, but still i prefer the new mentality, makes them do less stupid shots IMO.

[Nash]

What he's doing right now is extremely impressive. He is clearly committed to not only dominating, but playing much smarter and not settling/letting the defense off the hook at all.

However, and I know this is a bit unfair, I don't give a shit until the playoffs. There is no doubting that Lebron is simply one of the greatest players of all time, but he has to play like that throughout the entire playoffs.

I know its been done before, but you could point to Lebron's playoff play in the finals in 07 as holding his team back. His play against the Celtics in 08 holding his team back. 09 he was a freak of nature. 10...his play held his team back. 11...he choked in the finals.

Now, those are absurdly high standards and there are legit reasons/excuses for every year other than last year. But Lebron coming up so small last year in the finals makes me rethink his entire career. I always supported Lebron and defended him and said it was a terrible situation.

Well...he's got the chances now. He's got to win and win a lot over the next few years. Starting with this year. We'll see.
You mean the finals, don't you? Because dude has always been brilliant until he reaches the finals.

[Dave3]

For reference, this is a interesting article on this:

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/10960/on-lebron-and-wades-vanishing-act-from-3

The author makes a good point, but still i prefer the new mentality, makes them do less stupid shots IMO.
The author is missing one key point. Taking a shot from 20 feet can be infinitely more accurate than a shot just 4 feet farther. Even though they're only a 4 foot difference, it can make a world of difference in accuracy. And another big thing is you see LeBron's improved percentage from the post area (3-9 ft).

I don't mind him taking 1 or 2 a game if they're open, he doesn't need to completely abandon it, but he used to fall in love with it at certain points. But the midrange shot is too underrated in today's game. Just being a few feet closer can make a whole world of difference.

[RazorBaLade]

You thought he shot 3s way better than 33%, or you thought he shot 2s worse than like 56%?

I figured he'd be AT LEAST 35%+. He's at 276 points off 279 shots last season from 3, just going to 35% already sets him in the positive by a lot. I know w/ 2's at 50% you're looking at one point for every shot, so idk what 3's has to be to beat 52% but its definitely something that other superstars have beaten in their prime. Very surprised Bron is this bad from 3.

[chips93]

For reference, this is a interesting article on this:

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/10960/on-lebron-and-wades-vanishing-act-from-3

The author makes a good point, but still i prefer the new mentality, makes them do less stupid shots IMO.

i disagree, the mid-range game is a little overrated. almost nobody makes mid-range jumpers at an efficiency that they shoot threes, or lay-ups. its the most inefficient shot in the game. the magic basically structures their offense around this idea, focusing on take threes, or lay-ups.

long twos, or mid-range shots, have all of the drawbacks of threes(long rebounds, you rarely draw fouls, more vulnerable to fast breaks, few offensive rebounding opportunities, etc)

last year, lebron shot 45% from 16-23 feet, a career high. so that is a TS% of 90% by my calculation.

while last year he shot 33% from deep, that equates to a TS% 99%.

so, on the whole, lebron is better off shooting threes, than long twos.

by my shaky calculations last year lebron had 1.32 points per long shot (mid range OR three pointer), while this year he has just 0.86 points per long shot.

lebron's big jump in TS% this year is a lot more due to his career high in FG% at the rim, career high from 3-9 feet (85%, which is completely unsustainable) and his career high in free throw attempts.

[LiLharvard]

I thought he already take one against celtics?

But yeah he seems want to cut down the 3s.
He did and it was a a a a a a a .. Lebrick

[rugrats]

But...but...but you predicted last year that they would make it a three-peat and that the Lakers were a GODLIKE team behind the amazing Kobster!

Bu bu bu bu Lebrick hopped on Wade and Bosh's pole's nd still lost :lol :lol :lol

[TheAesirsFinest]

i disagree, the mid-range game is a little overrated. almost nobody makes mid-range jumpers at an efficiency that they shoot threes, or lay-ups. its the most inefficient shot in the game. the magic basically structures their offense around this idea, focusing on take threes, or lay-ups.

long twos, or mid-range shots, have all of the drawbacks of threes(long rebounds, you rarely draw fouls, more vulnerable to fast breaks, few offensive rebounding opportunities, etc)

last year, lebron shot 45% from 16-23 feet, a career high. so that is a TS% of 90% by my calculation.

while last year he shot 33% from deep, that equates to a TS% 99%.

so, on the whole, lebron is better off shooting threes, than long twos.

by my shaky calculations last year lebron had 1.32 points per long shot (mid range OR three pointer), while this year he has just 0.86 points per long shot.

lebron's big jump in TS% this year is a lot more due to his career high in FG% at the rim, career high from 3-9 feet (85%, which is completely unsustainable) and his career high in free throw attempts.

This is where the reliability of stats breaks down in actual basketball. Even though the TS% of 3s is higher, once you factor in how those 3s were taken (standing in a corner, bail out 3s, pull up 3s, etc.), the overall conclusion is that the 3s LeBron took were not ones that put pressure on the opponent's defense. Trust me dude, I watched a LOT of Heat games, and I'm a pretty good observer of the sport. LeBron taking those 3s was not helping the Heat.

By the way, that's also why the Magic are terrible. By eschewing the mid range game, their options are drastically limited.

[RRR3]

I figured he'd be AT LEAST 35%+. He's at 276 points off 279 shots last season from 3, just going to 35% already sets him in the positive by a lot. I know w/ 2's at 50% you're looking at one point for every shot, so idk what 3's has to be to beat 52% but its definitely something that other superstars have beaten in their prime. Very surprised Bron is this bad from 3.
His percentages aren't that bad in context, as I've said. Similar enough to Kobe's, T-Mac's, Melo's, etc. given the volume they all take. All of those guys I mentioned shoot around 32-34% from three career. But I agree he takes way too many threes for someone with his three point ability (he's a good three point shooter who can get hot, but he's nowhere near good enough to be taking 5+ a game, especially when he's usually contested). A lot of the time, the more threes a player takes, the worse their percentage is (especially if they are creating their own shots, and not catching and shooting). One guy who takes an insane amount of threes but still shoots very well is a guy who might surprise you....Jason Richardson:wtf:

@Aesirs,
Yes, to an extent. As I've said, he shouldn't competely abandon the three, he should just pick his spots and shoot them when needed, but generally play the way he has been doing so far. There are times I'm sure LBJ will be required to knock down a three still.

[Dave3]

I figured he'd be AT LEAST 35%+. He's at 276 points off 279 shots last season from 3, just going to 35% already sets him in the positive by a lot. I know w/ 2's at 50% you're looking at one point for every shot, so idk what 3's has to be to beat 52% but its definitely something that other superstars have beaten in their prime. Very surprised Bron is this bad from 3.
Really, you're surprised that someone who's been criticized for shooting his entire career shoots only the same percentage (33) as players like Kobe (34)/Melo (32) on similar volume?

[Andrei89]

Inb4 Lebron takes three pointer tonight:facepalm

[rugrats]

Inb4 Lebron takes three pointer tonight:facepalm

inb4 2 bricks nd airball

[RazorBaLade]

Really, you're surprised that someone who's been criticized for shooting his entire career shoots only the same percentage (33) as players like Kobe (34)/Melo (32) on similar volume?

Kobe's prime was 34-36% on slightly more shots.

Big difference from 33%. And ya I'm surprised because I mean while I'VE always thought Bron was a mediocre shooter and the forum here has a lot of haters I always kind of assume the haters (for all players, not just bron) exaggerate the bad parts while the stans just ignore the bad ones. But idk. Guess its a fact that bron just isn't a good shooter.

[rugrats]

if da nba rewarded players for bricks and airballs lebron would be goat status

[chips93]

This is where the reliability of stats breaks down in actual basketball. Even though the TS% of 3s is higher, once you factor in how those 3s were taken (standing in a corner, bail out 3s, pull up 3s, etc.), the overall conclusion is that the 3s LeBron took were not ones that put pressure on the opponent's defense. Trust me dude, I watched a LOT of Heat games, and I'm a pretty good observer of the sport. LeBron taking those 3s was not helping the Heat.

im not sure what you are trying to say.

it seems lebron is replacing threes with long twos, so hes still not putting pressure on the defense with these shots.


By the way, that's also why the Magic are terrible. By eschewing the mid range game, their options are drastically limited.

well the magci were actually average last year in offense (14th), and very good the year before (4th), and a little above average the year previous to that (11th), and i dont think anybody would say that they have had great offensive talent those years, so i dont think that disproves anything.

anyway, one team is hardly a good sample size.

[Dave3]

Kobe's prime was 34-36% on slightly more shots.

Big difference from 33%. And ya I'm surprised because I mean while I'VE always thought Bron was a mediocre shooter and the forum here has a lot of haters I always kind of assume the haters (for all players, not just bron) exaggerate the bad parts while the stans just ignore the bad ones. But idk. Guess its a fact that bron just isn't a good shooter.
And LeBron has also had season of 34% and 35% on 4-5 attempts/game. I'm comparing career numbers though. LeBron had higher percentage seasons too. How is having the same career percentage as Kobe/Melo not good?

You realize 33% career is good for 4-5 attempts/game right?

[RazorBaLade]

I'm comparing career numbers though. LeBron had higher percentage seasons too. How is having the same career percentage as Kobe/Melo not good?

You realize 33% career is good for 4-5 attempts/game right?


33% is 99 pts for 100 shots, of course its good.. But in the context of this thread I had been referring to good compared to shooting 52% from 2, so it isn't good compared to that.

Standalone, 33% is good. If we're in a thread talking about how efficient someone is if they shoot 52% from the field in a season, then a 33% career shooter is bad enough to the point where taking less threes is a good idea. Which is what the thread is about, I just came in assuming that Bron is more in 35% range and thus he should keep shooting 3s.

[Dave3]

33% is 99 pts for 100 shots, of course its good.. But in the context of this thread I had been referring to good compared to shooting 52% from 2, so it isn't good compared to that.

Standalone, 33% is good. If we're in a thread talking about how efficient someone is if they shoot 52% from the field in a season, then a 33% career shooter is bad enough to the point where taking less threes is a good idea. Which is what the thread is about, I just came in assuming that Bron is more in 35% range and thus he should keep shooting 3s.
We were originally talking about it in a general context though, about you thinking his career % was much higher than 33%, despite shooting being his main criticism throughout his career.

[RazorBaLade]

We were originally talking about it in a general context though, about you thinking his career % was much higher than 33%, despite shooting being his main criticism throughout his career.

ya like I said I dont watch every bron game for myself and its tough to take what people here say at face value because people troll.. now that ive actually looked at the stats, 33% while lower than expected (because again, I didn't believe the criticism for some reason) its of course good. Just not that good.

you brought up kobes 34 but btw 1% is a big difference in 3s. Lets convert 3s to 2s..for 3's thats 33% it is equal to 49% from 2. 34% = 51%.

Big difference. 33 is still good though .. so he was criticized for having something good, but that very criticism is why i shouldnt have thought it was better. crazy

[pauk]

thats great... not bailing out teams by going for illadvised/settle type of 3's.... and going in the post instead punishing the bastards.... :applause:

[rugrats]

thats great... not bailing out teams by going for illadvised/settle type of 3's.... and going in the post instead airballin n brickin the bastards.... :applause:


fixed :applause:

[Dave3]

ya like I said I dont watch every bron game for myself and its tough to take what people here say at face value because people troll.. now that ive actually looked at the stats, 33% while lower than expected (because again, I didn't believe the criticism for some reason) its of course good. Just not that good.

you brought up kobes 34 but btw 1% is a big difference in 3s. Lets convert 3s to 2s..for 3's thats 33% it is equal to 48% from 2. 34% = 51%.

Big difference. 33 is still good though .. so he was criticized for having something good, but that very criticism is why i shouldnt have thought it was better. crazy
That conversion is wrong lol. 33*1.5 = 50% and 34% was correct at 51%. A 1% difference between "bricker and can't shoot" and "great shooter"

It's hardly bad. And even if he was a 35% 3 point shooter, 35% vs. 33% on 5 attempts is 0.3 points. So even if he was 35%, that's not that big of a difference.

[RazorBaLade]

That conversion is wrong lol. 33*1.5 = 50% and 34% was correct at 51%. A 1% difference between "bricker and can't shoot" and "great shooter"

It's hardly bad. And even if he was a 35% 3 point shooter, 35% vs. 33% on 5 attempts is 0.3 points. So even if he was 35%, that's not that big of a difference.

why do you multiply by 1.5? i was doing it like

33/100 is 99, 49/100 is 98. 50/100 is 100. I guess we both took the one that helps our case more, :lol

i never said anything in bold... i dont think lebron CANT shoot and kobe is a GREAT shooter.

[Dave3]

why do you multiply by 1.5? i was doing it like

33/100 is 99, 49/100 is 98. 50/100 is 100. I guess we both took the one that helps our case more, :lol

i never said anything in bold... i dont think lebron CANT shoot and kobe is a GREAT shooter.
I multiplied by 1.5 because a 3 point make is 1.5 times a 2 point make...I didn't do it because it fit mine better, I just did it because that seemed like the intuitive way to do it. Both methods get the same answer though lol. 33*3 is 99 yeah, you're right, but you did the division wrong. 99/2 isn't 48...it's 49.5 (50 if you're rounding).

[RazorBaLade]

I multiplied by 1.5 because a 3 point make is 1.5 times a 2 point make...I didn't do it because it fit mine better, I just did it because that seemed like the intuitive way to do it. Both methods get the same answer though lol. 33*3 is 99 yeah, you're right, but you did the division wrong. 99/2 isn't 48...it's 49.5 (50 if you're rounding).

youright ididnt round

[b1imtf]

Bricked his 1st

[FashionIssues]

0-1

[rugrats]

0-1

LEBRICK HAHAHA :lol

[SlayerEnraged]

I wonder why James wanted to be the passer on that for the win situation :lol

[Pra]

He was wide open, although he bricked it, any wide open shot is good.

[che guevara]

Wow, I cannot believe that a 33% career 3pt shooter missed his first three.

[rugrats]

Wow, I cannot believe that a 33% career 3pt shooter missed his first three.

dats why his name is lebrick son

[Bladers]

dats why his name is lebrick son

/thread :roll: :roll:

[Xyph]

They see him brickin....