Ricky Rubio, Ty Lawson, Brandon Jennings: Euroleague Stats Versus NBA Stats

[Euroleague]

Ricky Rubio, Brandon Jennings, and Ty Lawson - look at their Euroleague stats and then compare that to their NBA stats.


Ty Lawson's Euroleague Stats:


42.9 Field Goal %

37.5 Three Point Field Goal %

61.9 Free Throw %

7.4 Points Per Game

1.6 Assists Per Game

3.0 Rebounds Per Game

0.9 Steals Per Game


Ty Lawson's NBA Stats:


55.7 Field Goal %

37.5 Three Point Field Goal %

79.2 Free Throw %

18.6 Points Per Game

5.4 Assists Per Game

3.2 Rebounds Per Game

2.8 Steals Per Game


Ricky Rubio's Euroleague Stats:


31.0 Field Goal %

22.4 Three Point Field Goal %

83.6 Free Throw %

6.5 Points Per Game

3.5 Assists Per Game

3.2 Rebounds Per Game

1.6 Steals Per Game


Ricky Rubio's NBA Stats:


57.1 Field Goal %

66.7 Three Point Field Goal %

83.3 Free Throw %

9.5 Points Per Game

7.3 Assists Per Game

4.3 Rebounds Per Game

1.0 Steals Per Game


Brandon Jennings' Euroleague Stats:


38.7 Field Goal %

26.8 Three Point Field Goal %

77.4 Free Throw %

7.6 Points Per Game

1.6 Assists Per Game

1.6 Rebounds Per Game

1.2 Steals Per Game


Brandon Jennings' NBA Stats:


46.0 Field Goal %

29.4 Three Point Field Goal %

85.0 Free Throw %

22.7 Points Per Game

5.3 Assists Per Game

2.7 Rebounds Per Game

0.0 Steals Per Game

[IBeeLeave9482]

And here comes the shitstorm

[Xyph]

Rubio was god in euroleague :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

[MooseJuiceBowen]

Rubio got more steals overseas vs worse talent

[Nick Young]

Brian Scalabrine NBA vs Serie A stats

NBA: 15th man NBA bench scrub
Serie A: 70% shooting FG 66%3FG shooting unstoppable beast

All World Super Star Spanoulis Euroleague vs NBA stats
Euroleague: Hands down top 5 player in Europe
NBA: 3 ppg 31%FG 17%3FG, 1 APG 1 TO per game

Deron Williams NBA vs Turkish league stats
NBA: very good PG
Turkish League: team retires his number after only 2 months of service, breaks Eurochallenge scoring record and puts up 50 in a game.

Nicholas Batum
NBA role: limited offense defensive stopper role player
Euroleague: all around offensive beast putting up Lebron like numbers first option

Jordan Farmar:
NBA: bench scrub
Euroleague: MVP OF THE WEEK

Anthony Parker
Euroleague: 2 time MVP+champion, Euroleague team of the decade, Euroleague top 50 all time list
NBA: BENCH SCRUB

GTFO KID

[Qwertyazerty]

Everybody was expecting this thread, Euroleague... don't you think there are different styles and some fit better there and some other here??? What's been a prime Kirilenko's impact in NBA and what's actual Kirilenko's impact in CSKA???

[AirTupac]

Like Nick said...

Anthony Parker - Euroleague GOAT
NBA Role Player

Spanoulis - Euroleague Top 5 GOAT
NBA 3.0 PPG career average 30% FG

[Euroleague]

Everybody was expecting this thread, Euroleague... don't you think there are different styles and some fit better there and some other here??? What's been a prime Kirilenko's impact in NBA and what's actual Kirilenko's impact in CSKA???

The same. Injured virtually the entire season.

[Euroleague]

Brian Scalabrine NBA vs Serie A stats

NBA: 15th man NBA bench scrub
Serie A: 70% shooting FG 66%3FG shooting unstoppable beast

Deron Williams NBA vs Turkish league stats
NBA: very good PG
Turkish League: team retires his number after only 2 months of service, breaks Eurochallenge scoring record and puts up 50 in a game.

Nicholas Batum
NBA role: limited offense defensive stopper role player
Euroleague: all around offensive beast putting up Lebron like numbers first option

Anthony Parker
Euroleague: 2 time MVP+champion, Euroleague team of the decade, Euroleague top 50 all time list
NBA: BENCH SCRUB

GTFO KID


The EuroChallenge (two league levels below the Euroleague) and the Turkish League, where Deron Williams played, have NOTHING to do with the Euroleague. The team that retired Deron Williams' jersey is not a Euroleague team. Deron Williams has never played in the Euroleague.

The Italian League and Eurocup, where Brian Scalabrine played, have NOTHING to do with the Euroleague. Brian Scalabrine has never played in the Euroleague. Scalabrine was one of the worst players in the entire Eurocup (the level below the Euroleague level). His amazing stats in the Eurocup (Europe's version of the D-League):


38.5 FG %
0.0 3 PT FG %

4.0 PPG
2.7 RPG
1.0 APG


Batum averaged 15/5/7 with 5 turnovers per game, shot 40% from the field, and played no defense in the Euroleague. Definitely, "LeBron like numbers". :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Anthony Parker has spent 6 seasons in the NBA, as a STARTER.







Welcome to my ignore list, lying troll.

[Nick Young]

The EuroChallenge, the Italian League and the Turkish League have NOTHING to do with the Euroleague troll. Anthony Parker has spent 6 seasons in the NBA as a STARTER. Welcome to my ignore list, lying troll.
Nicholas Batum
NBA role: limited offense defensive stopper role player
Euroleague: all around offensive beast putting up Lebron like numbers first option, two time MVP OF THE WEEK

Jordan Farmar:
NBA: bench scrub
Euroleague: MVP OF THE WEEK

Anthony Parker
Euroleague: 2 time MVP+champion, Euroleague team of the decade, Euroleague top 50 all time list
NBA: BENCH SCRUB

GTFO KID

[IBeeLeave9482]

Why the fukk are we talking about shit Euroleague anyway since one this is an NBA forum and two NBA>Euroleague.

[Euroleague]

Like Nick said...

Anthony Parker - Euroleague GOAT
NBA Role Player

Spanoulis - Euroleague Top 5 GOAT
NBA 3.0 PPG career average 30% FG

Anthony Parker is not the "Euroleague GOAT". You are delusional.

[IBeeLeave9482]

Anthony Parker is not the "Euroleague GOAT". You are delusional.

He's still one of the best to ever play in Euroleague though.

[Euroleague]

Why the fukk are we talking about shit Euroleague anyway since one this is an NBA forum and two NBA>Euroleague.

We are talking about how come some of the worst scrubs to play in the Euroleague in recent years, leave the Euroleague and go to the NBA and then become stars.

We are talking about why NBA stars struggle and play so horrible in the "inferior" Euroleague, against that "much weaker competition over there".

:lol :oldlol: :roll: :rolleyes:

[Euroleague]

Nicholas Batum
NBA role: limited offense defensive stopper role player
Euroleague: all around offensive beast putting up Lebron like numbers first option, two time MVP OF THE WEEK

Anthony Parker
Euroleague: 2 time MVP+champion, Euroleague team of the decade, Euroleague top 50 all time list
NBA: BENCH SCRUB

GTFO KID


Batum averaged 15/5/7 with 5 turnovers per game, shot 40% from the field, and played no defense in the Euroleague. Definitely, "LeBron like numbers". :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Anthony Parker has spent 6 seasons in the NBA, as a STARTER.

[Qwertyazerty]

BTW Euroleauge, how do you explain the 3pt field goal % being better in the NBA than in euroleague for Rubio, you said deffenders let him wide open in Europe knowing he can't score. Could it be due to better shooting coaches in NBA??? Cause the line is closer in FIBA, isn't it?

[Euroleague]

He's still one of the best to ever play in Euroleague though.

He's considered like a top 10 AMERICAN to play in Euroleague. NOT top 10 player to play in Euroleague.

[Euroleague]

BTW Euroleauge, how do you explain the 3pt field goal % being better in the NBA than in euroleague for Rubio, you said deffenders let him wide open in Europe knowing he can't score. Could it be due to better shooting coaches in NBA??? Cause the line is closer in FIBA, isn't it?

Have you ever seen defense being played in an NBA game?

Rubio is shooting wide open 3 pointers in the NBA, without any pressure from the defense. Because there is never any defense played in the NBA.

In the Euroleague he was left unguarded and taking wide open 3 pointers, but missing them, because he was under so much pressure to score and perform in a league where extremely intense defense is being played in every game.

The defense in the NBA is without any question much worse than the defense in any decent European league. The NBA is like a pickup game compared to the Euroleague in terms of intensity, physicality, and defense.

Rubio is weak physically and soft mentally. Therefore he could not hack it in the real big boy's league (Euroleague). But he excels in the sissy candy a$$, pansy league (NBA), where being psychically weak and mentally soft will have no negative impact on your game, at least in the regular season anyway.

[bluechox2]

Have you ever seen defense being played in an NBA game?

Rubio is shooting wide open 3 pointers in the NBA, without any pressure from the defense. because there is never any defense played in the NBA.

In the Euroleague he was left unguarded and taking wide open 3 pointers, but missing them, because he was under so much pressure to score and perform in a league where extremely intense defense is being played in every game.

The defense in the NBA is without any question much worse than the defense in any decent European league. The NBA is like a pickup game compared to the Euroleague in terms of intensity, physicality, and defense.

Rubio is weak physically and soft mentally. Therefore he could not hack it in the real big boy's league (Euroleague). But he excels in the sissy candy a$$, pansy league (NBA), where being psychically weak and mentally soft will have no negative impact on your game, at least in the regular season anyway.

:roll: :roll: :roll:
so euroleague has great defense when left wide open, gtfo,
players in euroleague literally scream defense at the player 10 feet away and he misses :applause:

[Quizno]

NBA teams vs Euroleague teams: 36-7

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[OmniStrife]

I hope OP gets cancer.

[Shepseskaf]

Rubio is the focus here. Jennings' issues over in Europe are explainable, and I haven't seen enough of Lawson to come to any definitive conclusions.

The fact that Rubio was playing so poorly in the Euroleague, but has made an impressive NBA debut is definitely interesting. I still want to see more of a body of work, especially when teams start to gameplan for him.

[Euroleague]

NBA teams vs Euroleague teams: 36-7

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

NBA teams against Euroleague teams with mixed rules and 2/3 NBA refs 9-5.

:roll: :lol :oldlol: :rolleyes:

[Shepseskaf]

I hope OP gets cancer.
No need for garbage like this. Be careful what you wish on others, it may happen to you.

[bluechox2]

NBA teams against Euroleague teams with mixed rules and 2/3 NBA refs 9-5.

:roll: :lol :oldlol: :rolleyes:
euroleague wishing to be like nba...priceless

[OmniStrife]

No need for garbage like this. Be careful what you wish on others, it may happen to you.
Doesn't matter what I think.
It's a matter of statistics.

I'm usually a nice guy. And I'm from Europe and I watch the Euroleague.

However I hate OP with a fiery passion, and I wish ill things for him and for his family.

I consider him a shit stain on my favorite forum.

[Nick Young]

He's considered like a top 10 AMERICAN to play in Euroleague. NOT top 10 player to play in Euroleague.
Anthony Parker
Starting SG on the Euroleague team of the decade.
Only player to ever win two MVPs in a row

So he is only a top 10 american player?

Which Euroleague players are better than him?

Parker used to dominate JCN and Spanoulis back in the day:roll:

[Euroleague]

Rubio is the focus here. Jennings' issues over in Europe are explainable, and I haven't seen enough of Lawson to come to any definitive conclusions.

The fact that Rubio was playing so poorly in the Euroleague, but has made an impressive NBA debut is definitely interesting. I still want to see more of a body of work, especially when teams start to gameplan for him.

Jennings' issues were not explainable beyond he played bad. The third string PG of his team outplayed him. He did however play better than Rubio did in Euroleague.

Lawson just could not play well in the Euroleague because he's way too small to compete in a physical league like that. Take any NBA point guard that can't handle physical play and they will fail in the Euroleague.

Rubio's issues were plainly that he is a one trick pony. Fancy passes in a run and gun style of basketball.

Rubio is just like LeBron. He will get exposed the instant he faces any defense. Does not happen until deep in the NBA playoffs.............because NBA teams don't play defense until then.

Rubio is all flash and no substance, all hype and a natural born loser - just like LeBron is.

[Euroleague]

Anthony Parker
Starting SG on the Euroleague team of the decade.
Only player to ever win two MVPs in a row

So he is only a top 10 american player?

Which Euroleague players are better than him?

Parker used to dominate JCN and Spanoulis back in the day:roll:

Funny, considering Spanoulis was not even playing in the Euroleague "back then".

STOP TROLLING for once.

[Shepseskaf]

However I hate OP with a fiery passion.
I consider him a shot stain on my favorite forum.
Relax, dude, its a message board. People are supposed to disagree with each other. If you don't like what he posts, then ignore him.

[OmniStrife]

Relax, dude, its a message board. People are supposed to disagree with each other. If you don't like what he posts, then ignore him.
Wouldn't mind him if he kept to his own forum.
yet his main goal is to make obvious stupid troll threads.

[Nick Young]

Nick Calathes: UNDRAFTED SCRUB IN AMERICA
Starting PG on the best team in Greece and Greek national team:roll: :roll: :roll:
Bo McCaleb
DII College basketball undersized PG who can't shoot, basically Nate Robinson who can't shoot

IN EUROPE: TOP 2 PG, elite scorer, leads his Macedonian scrubs singlehandedly to victory over 'elite' european teams like Lithuania and Greece
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Euroleague]

Relax, dude, its a message board. People are supposed to disagree with each other. If you don't like what he posts, then ignore him.

They just troll me with fake outrage posts about how awful I am and how I threaten them, "destroy the forum", etc.
Then they send mass complaints to abuse reports and then get one of their favorite mods (that like to dominate the forum) to delete threads and posts and then send complaints to Jeff.

Then I get banned for 3 days to a week.

It's childish stuff, but a lot of the guys around here are about 10-12 years old.

[chains5000]

Anybody with half a brain knows both leagues are different, with some players' game being better suited for an specific one.
This thread proves nothing.

[OmniStrife]

They just troll me with fake outrage posts about how awful I am and how I threaten them, "destroy the forum", etc.
Then they send mass complaints to abuse reports and then get one of their favorite mods (that like to dominate the forum) to delete threads and posts and then send complaints to Jeff.

Then I get banned for 3 days to a week.

It's childish stuff, but a lot of the guys around here are about 10-12 years old.
seriously though, why can't you post in the Euroleague subforum and spare us simpletons in our inferior NBA forum?

[Shepseskaf]

Jennings' issues were not explainable beyond he played bad. The third string PG of his team outplayed him. He did however play better than Rubio did in Euroleague.
I was thinking more of the cultural adjustment to playing in a foreign environment. Jennings did do some nice things over there, but from what he's said, never felt comfortable.


Rubio's issues were plainly that he is a one trick pony. Fancy passes in a run and gun style of basketball.

Rubio is just like LeBron. He will get exposed the instant he faces any defense. Does not happen until deep in the NBA playoffs.............because NBA teams don't play defense until then.

Rubio is all flash and no substance, all hype and a natural born loser - just like LeBron is.
We need to see more on Rubio, especially when teams key in on him. LeBron has proven himself many times in intense playoff situations. Of course, he's had some big failures, but to put he and Rubio in the same boat is a huge stretch, imo.

[Euroleague]

Nick Calathes: UNDRAFTED SCRUB IN AMERICA
Starting PG on the best team in Greece and Greek national team:roll: :roll: :roll:
Bo McCaleb
DII College basketball undersized PG who can't shoot, basically Nate Robinson who can't shoot

IN EUROPE: TOP 2 PG, elite scorer, leads his Macedonian scrubs singlehandedly to victory over 'elite' european teams like Lithuania and Greece
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Calathes is a backup on both the Greek national team and his club team Panathinaikos. And honestly, he's not even that good of a backup. Also, he was DRAFTED by the NBA. The T-Wolves drafted him and the Mavs own his draft rights. He was not "undrafted", as you falsely claim with your usual lies.

Bo McCalebb played Division ONE basketball. He is also one of the all time leading scorers in NCAA Division ONE history. He scored the 22nd most points in NCAA Division ONE history, with 2,679 points scored.

Your troll attempts are weak, even for a 2nd grader.

[coin24]

So if you dont like the NBA and you think Euroshit is so much better, why do you post here??

Go find a forum full of other delusional retards that like Euroleague and post there... Your threads here are a waste of time, you're not proving anything to anybody. No one on here cares about any of the crap leagues in Europe.
Not sure why you do either, you live in the states and have never been to Europe, so why the obsession??:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[AirTupac]

I saw Spanoullis play again this week and the guy literally flops on every play. No wonder Euroleague fans voted him to be one of the biggest floppers in Euroleague history.

30% FG , 3 ppg in the NBA

20 ppg, 65% FG in the Euroleague

Shitnoulis is like Kobenoullis in the Euroleague

[chains5000]

Bo McCalebb played Division ONE basketball. He is also one of the all time leading scorers in NCAA Division ONE history. He has scored the 22nd most points in NCAA Division ONE history with 2,679 points scored.
I don't get the hate on McCalebb, anybody who's seen him play knows he's a really entertaining player.

[Nick Young]

Brian Scalabrine
70% shooting in Serie A

[Nick Young]

I don't get the hate on McCalebb, anybody who's seen him play knows he's a really entertaining player.
No one hates him, je's just an example of an American scrub who no NBA team wanted anything to do with who went to Europe and becomes a God. This summer his face was spraypainted all over Macedonia

[AirTupac]

Rubio is a 3 time Euroleague Champ
Became a Pro at 14
and swept every award since he was 14.

:applause:

[Euroleague]

Anybody with half a brain knows both leagues are different, with some players' game being better suited for an specific one.
This thread proves nothing.


This "leagues are different" argument is really exaggerated.

You don't go from being the worst rotation point guard in the Euroleague (Rubio) to being an overnight star in the NBA solely on "different rules". Anyone making that assertion is not watching both leagues, and in your case I would guess has not seen an NBA game in years.

The fact is that the NBA has simply become a league where defense is outlawed until about the 2nd round of the NBA playoffs, and even sometimes until the conference finals of the NBA playoffs.

FIBA is different than Euroleague - less physical and refs call the game tighter, and Rubio was absolutely horrible in FIBA, way worse than he ever played in Euroleague.

So no, this "theory" that people come up with is just a myth. An NBA only fan created myth. Just like all the other ones.

Jennings did not go from being awful in Euroleague, to scoring 55 points in an NBA game within a few months, solely on rules and the game being "different".

And frankly, when people say that kind of nonsense, they prove that they have no basketball knowledge whatsoever.

[Euroleague]

seriously though, why can't you post in the Euroleague subforum and spare us simpletons in our inferior NBA forum?

Why can't you accept that this is an NBA RELATED TOPIC about the NBA and its PLAYERS? Why do you have to act like a jerk and complain that an NBA RELATED TOPIC is in the wrong forum?

Seriously though......

[Nick Young]

This "leagues are different" argument is really exaggerated.

You don't go from being the worst rotation point guard in the Euroleague (Rubio) to being an overnight star in the NBA solely on "different rules". Anyone making that assertion is not watching both leagues, and in your case I would guess has not seen an NBA game in years.

The fact is that the NBA has simply become a league where defense is outlawed until about the 2nd round of the NBA playoffs, and even sometimes until the conference finals of the NBA playoffs.

FIBA is different than Euroleague - less physical and refs call the game tighter, and Rubio was absolutely horrible in FIBA, way worse than he ever played in Euroleague.

So no, this "theory" that people come up with is just a myth. An NBA only fan created myth. Just like all the other ones.

Jennings did not go from being awful in Euroelague to scoring 55 points in an NBA game within a few months solely on rules and the game being "different".

And frankly, when people say that kind of nonsense, they prove that they have no basketball knowledge whatsoever.
Rubio was a starter at 14.
3 time Euroleague champion AS A STARTER
Eurobasket Champion AS A STARTER

He is the worst starter in Euroleague?
Look at guys like TEODOSIC wHO IS CONSIDERED ONE OF THE BEST PGS OVER THERE. He is better than Rubio how exactly?:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[chains5000]

No one hates him, je's just an example of an American scrub who no NBA team wanted anything to do with who went to Europe and becomes a God. This summer his face was spraypainted all over Macedonia
He's not a god outside Macedonia lol
As for the scrub part, as I've posted several times before, it's two different leagues with really different games. Of course players like Kobe or Lebron would dominate everywhere, but some players play their best in an specific league.
And also... players get better with time... who knows how well would McCalebb do now in the NBA?

[AirTupac]

Farmar was being served hand and foot when he came to play in the Euroleague.

Won MVP of the week trophy as soon as he played.

Batum was a multiple MVP of the week winner.

Scalabrine was shooting 70%!!

Deron Williams is a Hall of Famer after a couple months.
Also dropped a career high in the Euroleague.


:applause: :applause: :applause:

Cant forget GOAT Anthony Parker, 2x MVP, 5 time Euroleague Champ.

[Euroleague]

I was thinking more of the cultural adjustment to playing in a foreign environment. Jennings did do some nice things over there, but from what he's said, never felt comfortable.


We need to see more on Rubio, especially when teams key in on him. LeBron has proven himself many times in intense playoff situations. Of course, he's had some big failures, but to put he and Rubio in the same boat is a huge stretch, imo.

Not at all. LeBron would really struggle in Euroleague the same way like Rubio did. The same way Rubio will struggle if he ever goes deep in the NBA playoffs, just like LeBron.

These guys can only succeed when playing against zero defense competition.

[AirTupac]

Not at all. LeBron would really struggle in Euroleague the same way like Rubio did. The same way Rubio will struggle if he ever goes deep in the NBA playoffs, just like LeBron.

These guys can only succeed when playing against zero defense competition.

LeBron would just dunk and power everyone down. I have no doubt in my mind that LeBron would average 40 on good efficiency.

[AirTupac]

Can anyone answer my question???

How come Shitnoulis averaged only 3 ppg on 30% if they played no defense? But averages Kobe-Like numbers in the Euroleague? :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[chains5000]

This "leagues are different" argument is really exaggerated.

You don't go from being the worst rotation point guard in the Euroleague (Rubio) to being an overnight star in the NBA solely on "different rules". Anyone making that assertion is not watching both leagues, and in your case I would guess has not seen an NBA game in years.

The fact is that the NBA has simply become a league where defense is outlawed until about the 2nd round of the NBA playoffs, and even sometimes until the conference finals of the NBA playoffs.

FIBA is different than Euroleague - less physical and refs call the game tighter, and Rubio was absolutely horrible in FIBA, way worse than he ever played in Euroleague.

So no, this "theory" that people come up with is just a myth. An NBA only fan created myth. Just like all the other ones.

Jennings did not go from being awful in Euroelague to scoring 55 points in an NBA game within a few months solely on rules and the game being "different".

And frankly, when people say that kind of nonsense, they prove that they have no basketball knowledge whatsoever.
I do believe in the difference between the leagues, won't discuss anymore.
As for Ricky, you gotta admit he didn't really have that much freedom in Barcelona as he had playing for Joventut. I agree his last two seasons have been disappointing but he was just part of a super team that needed him to play an specific role, as opposed to Joventut, where he had total freedom.

[Euroleague]

I saw Spanoullis play again this week and the guy literally flops on every play. No wonder Euroleague fans voted him to be one of the biggest floppers in Euroleague history.

30% FG , 3 ppg in the NBA

20 ppg, 65% FG in the Euroleague

Shitnoulis is like Kobenoullis in the Euroleague

Spanoulis is on the injured reserve. He isn't even allowed to play in a game, as he is INACTIVE with an injury.

The Euroleague and Greek League are both on HIATUS and are not even playing games.

Amazing how a guy that is on IR, playing in leagues on hiatus was playing in a game that you "saw this week".

I get banned here over and over for "lying and spreading false rumors on the forum", which is untrue, and yet morons like this guy lie in pretty much every thread they post in and never once get banned, no matter how much crap they make up.

:rolleyes:

[AirTupac]

Spanoulis is on the injured reserve. He isn't even allowed to play in a game, as he is INACTIVE with an injury.

The Euroleague and Greek League are both on HIATUS and are not even playing games.

Amazing how a guy that is on IR, playing in leagues on hiatus was playing in a game that you "saw this week".

I get banned here over and over for "lying and spreading false rumors on the forum", which is untrue, and yet morons like this guy lie in pretty much every thread they post in and never once get banned, no matter how much crap they make up.

:rolleyes:

Why is he voted one of the biggest floppers in the league BY EUROLEAGUE FANS?

[Shepseskaf]

Not at all. LeBron would really struggle in Euroleague the same way like Rubio did.

These guys can only succeed when playing against zero defense competition.
We can agree to disagree on this point. There's a huge disparity in talent between LeBron and Rubio, so I have a problem in making any direct comparisons.

LeBron has had some all-time performances against excellent defense. His epic 48/9/7 against a solid defensive Pistons team in the 2007 playoffs comes to mind.

[DRose1899]

I just knew this will happen when seeing Rubio and Jennings playing good this season. :oldlol:

[Euroleague]

I don't get the hate on McCalebb, anybody who's seen him play knows he's a really entertaining player.

What don't you get?

NBA only fans believe that the best player in Europe would not even make the junior varsity squad on a high school team in the USA.

And when European fans like you, defend these crazy opinions, like saying Rubio is good in NBA simply to the game "being different" it only affirms the bull shit from NBA only fans.

You see, I was just watching a T-Wolves game where it was stated that Rubio won 3 Euroleague championships and was the Euroleague MVP 3 times. Yes, the NBA announcers said it and they even posted it in a graphic during the game.

When in reality, he was a bad Euroleague player and none of those claims they made are true.

But see, then if I try to talk about the truth here, someone like you flies in with the NBA only fan created myth of "any idiot knows it is because the game is different and one player can succeed in one league or the other".........totally wrong, and completely validates this NBA hype and marketing that Rubio is a good player.

You see, I have heard already NBA "analyst" Tim Legler say he is putting up better stats in NBA than in Europe because in Europe none of his teammates could dunk or hit an open jump shot.

Yes, despite the fact that his Barca teammates are vastly better players than his Wolves teammates, sans Love - yeah this is the bull shit these "NBA experts" are claiming on US sports TV.

It's called NBA marketing, and it's sad that European fans like you don't get it, no matter how many times it is explained to you.

"It's a different league" is NBA marketing code word for, send a Euroleague MVP here and we will bench him and say he sucks and then claim he can't play in the more athletic NBA.

Then send a Euroleague scrub here and we will claim he was the best player in Europe and make him a star in the NBA and say, "see, all because he plays with real players now and not scrubs".

Yes, according to the NBA, Basile and Navarro can't shoot, N'Dong and Vazquez can't dunk, etc.

Even though not a single player on the Wolves can jump as high, or is as athletic, or as good a dunker or lob finisher as Vazquez is. Even though not one Wolves player is half as good a shooter as Navarro is.

Yep, according to the NBA, "Rubio struggled in Euroleague because he played with a bunch of slow, nonathletic scrubs, that could never complete a single pass Rubio made to them and Rubio was double and triple teamed all game long in Europe" - the quote of NBA TV "expert" Tim Legler.

BTW, the same guy said just a few days ago on TV, "this is the first time I have ever seen Rubio play".

Like all NBA only fans, he is a world renown expert on the Euroleague, despite having never in his life seen a Euroleague game. These are the people making up this bull shit claim, that only certain players can only play in one league or the other, and gullible people like you fall for it.

[Euroleague]

Brian Scalabrine
70% shooting in Serie A

Brian Scalabrine - 38.5 % shooting in the Eurocup (the level below the Euroelague)...what's your point?

[AirTupac]

Shitnoulis 30% 3 ppg career in the NBA :oldlol:

[Euroleague]

Rubio is a 3 time Euroleague Champ
Became a Pro at 14
and swept every award since he was 14.

:applause:

Rubio won the Euroleague championship ONCE, not three times.

And the ONLY Euroleague award he ever won was best player under age 22.

He never won any other Euroleague awards, besides the youth age one for players under 22.

Rubio did not even play in the Euroleague until age 16.

Which means, you distort, twist, manipulate, and outright LIE in this post.

[chains5000]

What don't you get?

NBA only fans believe that the best player in Europe would not even make the junior varsity squad on a high school team in the USA.

And when European fans like you, defend these crazy opinions, like saying Rubio is good in NBA simply to the game "being different" it only affird the bull shit from NBA only fans.

You see, I was just watching a T-Wolves game where it was stated that Rubio won 3 Euroleague championships and was the Euroleague MVP 3 times. Yes, the NBA announcers said it and they even posted it in a graphic during the game.

When in reality, he was a bad Euroleague player and none of those claims they made are true.

But see, then if I try to talk about the truth here, someone like you flies in with the NBA only fan created myth of "any idiot knows it is because the game is different and one player can succeed in one league or the other".........totally wrong, and compleet validates this NBA hype and marketing that Rubio is a good player.

You see, I have heard already NBA "analyst" Tim Legler say he is putting up better stats in NBA than in Europe because in Europe none of his teammates could dunk or hit an open jump shot.

Yes, despite the fact that his Barca teammates are vastly better players than his Wolves teammates, sans Love - yeah this is the bull shit these "NBA experts" are claiming on US sports TV.

It's called NBA marketing, and it's sad that European fans like you don't get it, no matter how many times it is explaineed to you.

"It's a different league" is NBA marketing code word for, send a Euroleague MVP here and we will bench him and say he sucks and then claim he can't play in the more athletic NBA".

Then send a Euroelague scrub here and we will claim he was the best player in Europe and make him a star in the NBA and say, "see, all because he plays with real players now and not scrubs".

Yes, according to the NBA, Basile and Navarro can't shoot, N'Dong and Vazquez can't dunk, etc.

Even though not a single player int he Wolves can jump as high, or is as athletci or as good a dunker or lob finisher as Vazques is. Even though not one Wolves player is half as good a shooter as Navarro is.

Yep, according to the NBA "Rubio struggled in Euroleague because he played with a bunch of slow, unathletic scrubs that could never complete a single pass Rubio made to them and Rubio was double and triple teamed all game long in Europe" - the quote of NBA TV "expert" Tim Legler.

BTW, the same guy said just a few days ago on TV, "this is the first time I have ever seen Rubio play".

Like all NBA only fans, he is a world renown expert on the Euroleague, despite having never in his life seen a Euroleague game. These are the people making up this bull shit claim that only certain players can only play in one league or the other, and gullible people like you fall for it.
That's just :wtf: And these people are called "experts"

[AirTupac]

Rubio won the Euroleague championship ONCE, not 3 times

And the ONLY Euroleague award he ever won was best player under age 22.

He never won any other Euroleague awards, besides the youth age one for players under 22.

Rubio did not even play in the Euroleague until age 16.

Which means, you either distort, twist, manipulate, or outright LIE in this post.

Pro at 14
Multiple Euroleague Champ
Top 50 GOAT players (Listed in 2011)

[Euroleague]

Rubio was a starter at 14.
3 time Euroleague champion AS A STARTER
Eurobasket Champion AS A STARTER

He is the worst starter in Euroleague?
Look at guys like TEODOSIC wHO IS CONSIDERED ONE OF THE BEST PGS OVER THERE. He is better than Rubio how exactly?:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Rubio has played on ONE Euroleague championship team.

And on that team, he was sitting on the bench in the 4th quarter of 80% of the games.

Rubio was universally regarded as the weakest link in the Spanish national teams that won those EuroBaskets. Most people in Spain called for sada to play over him.

On the ONE team that he played on that won a Euroleague championship, he was the 3rd best point guard on the team after Lakovic and Sada.

Rubio started ONE GAME at the age of 14. Amazing..........he even started about 75% of the time in his whole career in Europe, and even about 75% of the games in Europe at age 20, all while being benched usually for the 4th quarter - at the age of 20.

Any other lies you would like to spew here Nick?

[AirTupac]

Rubio has played on ONE Euroleague championship team.

And on that team, he was sitting on the bench in the 4th quarter of 80% of the games.

Rubio was universally regarded as the weakest link in the Spanish national teams that won those EuroBaskets. Most people in Spain called for sada to play over him.

On the ONE team that he played on that won a Euroleague championship, he was the 3rd best point guard on the team after Lakovic and Sada.

Rubio started ONE GAME at the age of 14. Amazing..........he even started about 75% of the time in his whole career in Europe, and even about 75% of the games in Europe at age 20, all while being benched usually for the 4th quarter - at the age of 20.

Any other lies you would like to spew here Nick?

You are lying. All bullshit facts. You didn't even watch him play. :facepalm

[Euroleague]

He's not a god outside Macedonia lol
As for the scrub part, as I've posted several times before, it's two different leagues with really different games. Of course players like Kobe or Lebron would dominate everywhere, but some players play their best in an specific league.
And also... players get better with time... who knows how well would McCalebb do now in the NBA?

LeBron dominated nowhere but NBA regular season. LeBron does NOT dominate in FIBA. He does not dominate in the Olympics. He does not dominate in the NBA playoffs. He would not dominate a thing in Euroleague.

He dominates just the zero defense NBA regular season. Again, you expose yourself as not even watching Team USA or NBA at all.

And while Kobe does dominate the NBA playoffs, he definitely did NOT dominate in the Olympics.

[Euroleague]

Why is he voted one of the biggest floppers in the league BY EUROLEAGUE FANS?

Why do you keep lying and making things up?

Is it because you never get banned despite all your lies and I always get banned for telling the truth?

You claim "Spanoulis was voted worst flopper in Euroleague". Something that is a LIE, never happened, and is totally made up bull shit. You get called "a good poster".

I get banned for simply pointing out that you lied.


You have claimed about 50 times here that the Euroleague website had a poll and the fans named Spanoulis the "biggest flopper there". Post the link, or I am reporting you for abuse.

It's only fair you get reported for outright lies, since you are reporting me on a daily basis for simply posting the truth.

[Euroleague]

Farmar was being served hand and foot when he came to play in the Euroleague.

Won MVP of the week trophy as soon as he played.

Batum was a multiple MVP of the week winner.

Scalabrine was shooting 70%!!

Deron Williams is a Hall of Famer after a couple months.
Also dropped a career high in the Euroleague.


:applause: :applause: :applause:

Cant forget GOAT Anthony Parker, 2x MVP, 5 time Euroleague Champ.

Deron Williams and Brian Scalabrine have never played a single Euroleague game in their entire lives.

Parker won 2 championships in Euroleague, NOT 5.

This is the level of this forum. Where pure LIARS like this guy are praised as "good posters" and where I get banned for simply stating facts.

[Euroleague]

LeBron would just dunk and power everyone down. I have no doubt in my mind that LeBron would average 40 on good efficiency.

Yes, and this is just the SAME EXACT odds of Teodosic averaging 50/20 in the NBA.

Welcome to my PERMANENT ignore list.

[Euroleague]

Can anyone answer my question???

How come Shitnoulis averaged only 3 ppg on 30% if they played no defense? But averages Kobe-Like numbers in the Euroleague? :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

32% from the field. You can't even get NBA stats right. That is how much of a colossal troll you are.

[Euroleague]

I do believe in the difference between the leagues, won't discuss anymore.
As for Ricky, you gotta admit he didn't really have that much freedom in Barcelona as he had playing for Joventut. I agree his last two seasons have been disappointing but he was just part of a super team that needed him to play an specific role, as opposed to Joventut, where he had total freedom.

Right.....you never once correct the endless barrage of NBA only fans posts like "Parker is GOAT in Europe",

"Rubio won 3 Euroleague championships and MVPs",

"McCalebb is greatest point guard in history of Europe",

"Scalabrine averaged 50 in Europe",

and a hundred other such lies and total bull shit. But every single time, EVERY time I post the FACTS, the stats and performance of NBA players in Euroleague and the NBA - I always, always get called out by you.

But you never once correct, dispute, or argue when Rubio is named 3 time Euroleague MVP here or when they say Langdon averaged 40 in Euroleague here or whatever.

Right, then you just say, "I won't discuss anymore" every time your argument gets exposed because you know you are bsing.

"The league is different" does not account for Ty Lawson being horrid in Euroleague and just 1 week later he is literally tearing the NBA apart.

No way in hell are you watching the NBA games if you really believe this stuff is simply due to "being a different league".

[Euroleague]

We can agree to disagree on this point. There's a huge disparity in talent between LeBron and Rubio, so I have a problem in making any direct comparisons.

LeBron has had some all-time performances against excellent defense. His epic 48/9/7 against a solid defensive Pistons team in the 2007 playoffs comes to mind.

LeBron in Euroleague = glorified Childress.

Of course he would be better than Rubio was in Euroleague. I'm not even debating something like that.

But he would be far from dominating. Country mile far. The refs allowing more contact, the game being more physical, and the amount of pure zone would literally wreck havoc with his entire game.

Euroleague LeBron would be about 60-70 percent as good as 2011 NBA Finals LeBron.

So he would be something like a super version of what Childress was in Euroleague.

FYI, Childress was a good ball handler, good in team defense, good in man defense (only when he tried which was not often), could rebound and stuff like that. Offensive game was strictly dribbling and dunking and was useless in half court against a zone.

So take Childress, make him more athletic, and with good passing and that is what LeBron would be in Euroleague. Nothing more than that.

[Quickening]

Sad seeing someone who craves this much attention from strangers on a forum... oh well.

[RintjeRitsma]

It's becoming really really sad. I hope you find some comfort in releasing this garbage.

[Nash]

Euroleague, not even us europeans care about it.

[Euroleague]

That's just :wtf: And these people are called "experts"

How many times have I been trying to explain it to you here? It's called NBA marketing.

I turn on a Rockets game and they say Scola was 3 time Euroleague MVP and 2 time Euroleague champ. I turn on a Spurs game and they say Gary Neal led the Euroleague in scoring 2 times. They say that Splitter won 3 Euroleague MVPs.

You just don't get it. It's all fake marketing and that's what the NBA is.

It's an entertainment show. It's not even competitive sports anymore. And one of the NBA's biggest marketing gimmicks is taking the best players from Europe (Navarro, Spanoulis, Jasikevicius) and benching them or making them stand as a spot shooter.

They then say, "see due to the different game these players cannot translate to the NBA game, because they are not athletic enough". Of course, even if that is untrue, like Spanoulis would probably be the 3rd most athletic PG in the NBA.......

it does not matter because the morons that watch the NBA believe it.


Then they get European fans like you to believe it is true (it's NOT) and you start to believe it.yeah "Navarro can't be the same guy there because he's not athletic enough".

Of course, him dominating the Lakers 3 times under NBA rules is just swept under the rug, and European fans like you don't even seem to be able to add 1 plus 1 together to see it's all imaginary and fake schemes by the NBA.

The NBA is a soap opera. It's scripted and fake and always has been. The games are rigged in the playoffs.

Think about it, then they get scrubs like Neal, Jerebko, Rubio, etc. and turn them into good players or even stars and say, see, they would have dominated in Europe it was just that they played with scrubs that sucked and now in the NBA their teammates are good so they can play good.

It's unbelievable that European fans like you still can't freaking grasp this is all done on purpose.

They literally just say right in the TV, "Rubio struggled in Euroleague because none of his teammates could dunk, or shoot". The same teammates that would wipe the floor with the Wolves team with ease.

But the Americans all believe this stuff. They ALL believe it. And then you, come in with the "it's because the game is different that's why". You are programmed like a robot by this fake NBA marketing.

[Euroleague]

Pro at 14
Multiple Euroleague Champ
Top 50 GOAT players (Listed in 2011)

Why does this guy get away with lying in every post and not get banned and I just tell the truth here and I keep getting banned over and over?

Explain it to me Jeff.

[Euroleague]

Euroleague, not even us europeans care about it.

Well then, "us Europeans" REALLY don't care about the NBA then. I mean REALLY, REALLY don't care about the NBA.

Because the Euroleague gets much higher TV ratings in Europe than the NBA does.

[Jon_Koncak]

This just proves that european coaches are jokes,micro managing dictators that want to turn every player into robots.Case with Rubio,here we got a creative guard with sick court vision and passing abilites yet Barcelona's coach was using him as a spot up shooter.Adelman saved the kid's career,Spanish fans should be grateful to him.


Lawson was clearly unmotivated and was playing along some of the worst scrubs the world has ever seen.Easier to play pick n roll with Nene and Harrington than with Robertas"butter hands" Javtokas or Klimavicius(lol).Not to mention that Lawson thrives in a fast tempo game,yesterday the Nuggets scored more fastbreak points than Zalgiris did since the start of the season.

[Euroleague]

This just proves that european coaches are jokes,micro managing dictators that want to turn every player into robots.Case with Rubio,here we got a creative guard with sick court vision and passing abilites yet Barcelona's coach was using him as a spot up shooter.Adelman saved the kid's career,Spanish fans should be grateful to him.


Lawson was clearly unmotivated and was playing along some of the worst scrubs the world has ever seen.Easier to play pick n roll with Nene and Harrington than with Robertas"butter hands" Javtokas or Klimavicius(lol).Not to mention that Lawson thrives in a fast tempo game,yesterday the Nuggets scored more fastbreak points than Zalgiris did since the start of the season.

Case in point, Jon Konack claimed here in this forum that Patrick O'Bryant would "dominate the Greek League"...........

I'm not even going to dignify arguing or debating with Jon. Because you are full of it.

I mean I find it really hilarious how Rubio could not play well in Euroleague according to you because "his coach micro managed"......

But, Spanoulis, according to you, can't play in the NBA - because he's not good enough, even though he had a coach that is 1,000 times more harsh and strict than Pascual could ever dream of being......

He used Rubio as a "spot up shooter"............that's odd, considering Rubio was usually benched if he did anything but pass the ball and play exactly how Adelman is using him in the NBA. You do realize that he's got the same exact role under Adelman that he had under Pascual right? Oh no, you didn't actually watch any Euroleague games, I forgot.

Yep, Spanish will be real happy when Rubio plays like total shit at the Olympics and they probably lose any chance at a gold medal because of him. Everyone in Spain will be grateful to see the scrub back ruining the national team for yet another summer.

Oh yea, you are a real unbiased guy when it comes to European basketball..............

Yeah, Lawson who never passes the ball or runs pick and roll and only looks to score. Yep, the fact that you claim a scorer was held back by teammates not converting passes he did not make is truly hilarious.

Yeah, not like the guy averages 19 a game in the NBA and a mere 7 in Euroleague.

Let me guess, Marko Popovic playing better than him in the same role is a mere coincidence right? Huertas playing better than Rubio in the same role is another coincidence right? Let me guess, Huertas would average 25/15 in the NBA under Adelman. I mean hell, if he's twice as good as Rubio was in the same role (AT LEAST twice as good) then hell 25/12 in NBA minimum.

Put down the crack pipe.

[All Net]

:lol Knew this was coming..

[RintjeRitsma]

Because the Euroleague gets much higher TV ratings in Europe than the NBA does.

Not every European has the luxery of staying up unto three or four o'clock in the night, like you seem to have. For them who do have that luxery, there is this thing called internet though....

[Euroleague]

Not every European has the luxery of staying up unto three or four o'clock in the night, like you seem to have. For them who do have that luxery, there is this thing called internet though....

Strange, since the games are available on tape delay at normal hours. Funny, since they are playing in prime time often.

[Figlo]

Euroleague quit acting stupid.

Everyone knows NBA > Euroleague

NBA has better talent no doubt. But i have to say they do play excellent team ball in Euroleague.

just my quick thoughts :D

[RintjeRitsma]

Strange, since the games are available on tape delay at normal hours. Funny, since they are playing in prime time often.

Where is that? Do you have a link to the programme guides that support your cleam. I can't watch NBA games on tv. Where do you watch it? Do you enjoy sport on tape delay yourself, or do you prefer live sport?

[Fiba basketball]

I think that more people in Europe like Euroleague than Nba . Why every time Partizan , Phanatinaikos , Olimpiacos , Macabi play arenas are sold out if people dont watch Euroleague .

[RintjeRitsma]

I think that more people in Europe like Euroleague than Nba . Why every time Partizan , Phanatinaikos , Olimpiacos , Macabi play arenas are sold out if people dont watch Euroleague .

The people in the arena clearly watch the game, great observation! I don't have the idea that many people in Europe rate Euroleague higher then the NBA. I personally don't know anybody who likes Euroleague more then the NBA.

[Fiba basketball]

The people in the arena clearly watch the game, great observation! I don't have the idea that many people in Europe rate Euroleague higher then the NBA. I personally don't know anybody who likes Euroleague more then the NBA.
Well I know a lot of people that think Euroleague is better.

[FireMcFailPlease]

welcome back. rubio rules, and you still touch yourself at night

[FireMcFailPlease]

I think that more people in Europe like Euroleague than Nba . Why every time Partizan , Phanatinaikos , Olimpiacos , Macabi play arenas are sold out if people dont watch Euroleague .
great. why should us americans care what people over there do with their lives?

[RintjeRitsma]

Well I know a lot of people that think Euroleague is better.

Better? I could sure understand that they like it more. But better!? Even Spanoulis knows that the best players in the world are in the NBA.

[JtotheIzzo]

Ricky Rubio, Brandon Jennings, and Ty Lawson - look at their Euroleague stats and then compare that to their NBA stats.


Ty Lawson's Euroleague Stats:


42.9 Field Goal %

37.5 Three Point Field Goal %

61.9 Free Throw %

7.4 Points Per Game

1.6 Assists Per Game

3.0 Rebounds Per Game

0.9 Steals Per Game


Ty Lawson's NBA Stats:


55.7 Field Goal %

37.5 Three Point Field Goal %

79.2 Free Throw %

18.6 Points Per Game

5.4 Assists Per Game

3.2 Rebounds Per Game

2.8 Steals Per Game


Ricky Rubio's Euroleague Stats:


31.0 Field Goal %

22.4 Three Point Field Goal %

83.6 Free Throw %

6.5 Points Per Game

3.5 Assists Per Game

3.2 Rebounds Per Game

1.6 Steals Per Game


Ricky Rubio's NBA Stats:


57.1 Field Goal %

66.7 Three Point Field Goal %

83.3 Free Throw %

9.5 Points Per Game

7.3 Assists Per Game

4.3 Rebounds Per Game

1.0 Steals Per Game


Brandon Jennings' Euroleague Stats:


38.7 Field Goal %

26.8 Three Point Field Goal %

77.4 Free Throw %

7.6 Points Per Game

1.6 Assists Per Game

1.6 Rebounds Per Game

1.2 Steals Per Game


Brandon Jennings' NBA Stats:


46.0 Field Goal %

29.4 Three Point Field Goal %

85.0 Free Throw %

22.7 Points Per Game

5.3 Assists Per Game

2.7 Rebounds Per Game

0.0 Steals Per Game

Are you a sociopath and a retard?

seriously?

you know how this argument ends, poster throw the 1001 American castaways who have been stars in Europe, while you post the stats of a trio of kids who played PG.

you must be a complete f*cking idiot or some weirdo who has a fetish with arguing a doomed premise.

[iDunk]

Players in Europe get underused. Lawson, Rubio, and Jennings were being used in the wrong way by their coaches respectively. If your coach doesn't use you the right way your confidence is shot. Plus the ball revolves around much more in the Euroleague creating less shots per player. (That's why we don't see 20 PPG scorers that much in the Euroleague)

[Sarcastic]

All of them were young when they were in Eurotrash. Now they have matured and gotten better. Big difference between an 18 year old and 21 year old.

[GreatGreg]

If you ask an everyday Joe in the U.S who Vasillis Spanoulis is, he'll scratch his head and ask "Who?"

If you ask a Pierre in France, a Carlos in Spain, or a Ali in Turkey who LeBron James is, they'll all answer "One of the best basketball players in the world"

There's a reason NBA players are well-known. And that reason is, the NBA is the far superior league.

Don't even get me started on the NBA's popularity in China.

[KingBeasley08]

LeBron would be the 'Greatest Euroleague Player of all Time'. That amazing defense was getting torched in 2011 by NBA scrubs :oldlol: :lol :roll: :facepalm :rolleyes:

[Psych0]

Players in Europe get underused. Lawson, Rubio, and Jennings were being used in the wrong way by their coaches respectively. If your coach doesn't use you the right way your confidence is shot. Plus the ball revolves around much more in the Euroleague creating less shots per player. (That's why we don't see 20 PPG scorers that much in the Euroleague)
Solid argument. In Europe there is much more pressure to get result during regular season than in NBA because of different competition system. You have eliminiation games or small gropus of 4-6 teams so you can fail and never recover early in the season. While, in NBA you have 82 (now 66 or something similar) regular season games that all have almost the same value.

If U add different comprehention of the game its quite understandable that some player play much better in NBA than in Europe and vice-versa. That doesnt mean that Europe is trash just because WMamba scored +10ppg in Serie A, and some other players that cant play in NBA dominate(d) (Terrell McIntyre and McCaleb, Jasikevičius, Vujčić...) in Europe. And ofc, it doesnt mean that NBA is trash just because players like Lawson, Childress and Rubio play much better, uncompareable better, in NBA than in Europe. Lawson played awful in

[AirTupac]

LeBron would be the 'Greatest Euroleague Player of all Time'. That amazing defense was getting torched in 2011 by NBA scrubs :oldlol: :lol :roll: :facepalm :rolleyes:

He's going to say the refs let him do that. That's his only arguement whenever USA SMASHES AND OBLITERATES competition. "The refs were paid to let USA win" well did they also pay every other team to get smashed by Kobe, LBJ, Wade etc.? :oldlol:

Spanoullis still one of the greatest floppers
Rubio TOP 50 GOAT
Tony Parker GOAT
Farmer top 100 GOAT
Deron Williams Hall of Fame

[RRR3]

To quote Alphawolf....



"Damn....dis foo hella mad"













Next.

[asu77golf]

Mls > Epl Imo

[Optimus Prime]

Posting in a Euroleague thread.

Ricky Rubio GOAT!

Wheee!!!

:banana:

[Fiba basketball]

Better? I could sure understand that they like it more. But better!? Even Spanoulis knows that the best players in the world are in the NBA.
Yes , some people think that Nba is more of a circus where they dont play defense , they travell all the time etc. than a basketball league . I think that Euroleague is better but that Nba has better players . If Nba changed the rules I think that you wouldnt have a person that thinks Euroleague is better . Even Jordan said that this rules arent allowing the same defense that was played before .

[Bernie Nips]

Ricky Rubio, Brandon Jennings, and Ty Lawson - look at their Euroleague stats and then compare that to their NBA stats.


Ty Lawson's Euroleague Stats:


42.9 Field Goal %

37.5 Three Point Field Goal %

61.9 Free Throw %

7.4 Points Per Game

1.6 Assists Per Game

3.0 Rebounds Per Game

0.9 Steals Per Game


Ty Lawson's NBA Stats:


55.7 Field Goal %

37.5 Three Point Field Goal %

79.2 Free Throw %

18.6 Points Per Game

5.4 Assists Per Game

3.2 Rebounds Per Game

2.8 Steals Per Game


Ricky Rubio's Euroleague Stats:


31.0 Field Goal %

22.4 Three Point Field Goal %

83.6 Free Throw %

6.5 Points Per Game

3.5 Assists Per Game

3.2 Rebounds Per Game

1.6 Steals Per Game


Ricky Rubio's NBA Stats:


57.1 Field Goal %

66.7 Three Point Field Goal %

83.3 Free Throw %

9.5 Points Per Game

7.3 Assists Per Game

4.3 Rebounds Per Game

1.0 Steals Per Game


Brandon Jennings' Euroleague Stats:


38.7 Field Goal %

26.8 Three Point Field Goal %

77.4 Free Throw %

7.6 Points Per Game

1.6 Assists Per Game

1.6 Rebounds Per Game

1.2 Steals Per Game


Brandon Jennings' NBA Stats:


46.0 Field Goal %

29.4 Three Point Field Goal %

85.0 Free Throw %

22.7 Points Per Game

5.3 Assists Per Game

2.7 Rebounds Per Game

0.0 Steals Per Game

Yup, coaching is DEFINITELY better in the NBA.

[Yung D-Will]

Yes , some people think that Nba is more of a circus where they dont play defense , they travell all the time etc. than a basketball league . I think that Euroleague is better but that Nba has better players . If Nba changed the rules I think that you wouldnt have a person that thinks Euroleague is better . Even Jordan said that this rules arent allowing the same defense that was played before .
Solid argument. If Euroleauge could actually make arguments like this then maybe everyone wouldn't consider him such a joke.

[Maga_1]

This will never end :oldlol:

[305Baller]

The thred has potential but it will be more interesting towards the end of the season. The leagues are different no doubt, but analyzing why they are different and the little nuances is interesting in itself.

[stephanieg]

Current NBA rules are designed to allow perimeter players to flourish.

[PTB Fan]

Comparing stats from two different leagues where they had less possessions, teams that didn't count on them to be the leaders, not playing as much as in the NBA and so on while playing in a more of a team and defensive oriented basketball don't have to anything with their stats obviously..

[Euroleague]

The people in the arena clearly watch the game, great observation! I don't have the idea that many people in Europe rate Euroleague higher then the NBA. I personally don't know anybody who likes Euroleague more then the NBA.

In European countries where basketball is popular. the Euroleague is much more liked and much more popular than the NBA is. It's not even close actually.

[Euroleague]

Better? I could sure understand that they like it more. But better!? Even Spanoulis knows that the best players in the world are in the NBA.

Spanoulis talking to Euroleague media:

"I think it is easier to score 15 points in an NBA game than it is in a Euroleague game, because the defense in the NBA is worse and so it is easier to score there than it is in the Euroleague."

[Euroleague]

Players in Europe get underused. Lawson, Rubio, and Jennings were being used in the wrong way by their coaches respectively. If your coach doesn't use you the right way your confidence is shot. Plus the ball revolves around much more in the Euroleague creating less shots per player. (That's why we don't see 20 PPG scorers that much in the Euroleague)

Strange, if a European fan says a European player was used "the wrong way" by his NBA coach they are called a troll, a liar, banned from a site and of course that player is labeled a "Euro scrub".

Nice double standard there.

[Euroleague]

All of them were young when they were in Eurotrash. Now they have matured and gotten better. Big difference between an 18 year old and 21 year old.

Yeah, Rubio's stats at age 20 to Rubio's stats at age 21.

Lawson's stats from the SAME SEASON. Are you smoking something?

Are you trolling or are you high?

[Euroleague]

If you ask an everyday Joe in the U.S who Vasillis Spanoulis is, he'll scratch his head and ask "Who?"

If you ask a Pierre in France, a Carlos in Spain, or a Ali in Turkey who LeBron James is, they'll all answer "One of the best basketball players in the world"

There's a reason NBA players are well-known. And that reason is, the NBA is the far superior league.

Don't even get me started on the NBA's popularity in China.

LeBron is not very known in Europe. If you think he is, then you are severely delusional.

[AirTupac]

Spanoulis talking to Euroleague media:

"I think it is easier to score 15 points in an NBA game than it is in a Euroleague game, because the defense in the NBA is worse and so it is easier to score there than it is in the Euroleague."

I guess it's easier said than done, seeing as how he average 3.0 ppg on 30% FG.

I think he was talking about how easy it is to get calls and flop in the Euroleague. I was on the Euroleague forums and they showed videos of him flopping and missing open layups.

[Euroleague]

Yup, coaching is DEFINITELY better in the NBA.

I guess that explains why NBA coaches often spend their summers in Serbia learning all their plays and offenses...........

[AirTupac]

I guess that explains why NBA coaches often spend their summers in Serbia learning all their plays and offenses...........

I guess thats why Hall of Fame coaches in Euroleague come to the NBA to be towel boys.

[Euroleague]

Comparing stats from two different leagues where they had less possessions, teams that didn't count on them to be the leaders, not playing as much as in the NBA and so on while playing in a more of a team and defensive oriented basketball don't have to anything with their stats obviously..

That is not even in the slightest bit remotely true.

All three of them were counted on to be leaders by their teams, and were summarily removed from those roles because they continued to suck in game after game after game.

[Euroleague]

I guess thats why Hall of Fame coaches in Euroleague come to the NBA to be towel boys.

Yeah, like those ones that TEACH hall of fame NBA coaches at their school every summer.

[Euroleague]

Current NBA rules are designed to allow perimeter players to flourish.

Yes. And this is one of the main reasons why the current NBA is a lower level of competition than the Euroleague is.

[AirTupac]

Yeah, like those ones that TEACH hall of fame NBA coaches at their school every summer.

Funny how "GOAT" coaches from Euroleague ditch their precious league to be 2nd tier coaches in the NBA.

I saw Shitnoulis play today btw, another pathetic performance of 10/2/2 on 35 minutes.

20% FG
12% 3PT

[Euroleague]

Funny how "GOAT" coaches from Euroleague ditch their precious league to be 2nd tier coaches in the NBA.

I saw Shitnoulis play today btw, another pathetic performance of 10/2/2 on 35 minutes.

20% FG
12% 3PT

Funny how HOF NBA coaches spend their summer learning all their plays and offense at Serbian basketball schools.

Was that in a hospital ward league? Since Spanoulis is at the hospital every day getting treated for his severe ankle injury..........so who else played in that hospital rec league game? Was Manu also playing?

[Nick Young]

Spanoulis talking to Euroleague media:

"I think it is easier to score 15 points in an NBA game than it is in a Euroleague game, because the defense in the NBA is worse and so it is easier to score there than it is in the Euroleague."
Is that why Spanoulis never managed to put up 15 in an NBA game and averaged only 3 points a game in the NBA?:confusedshrug: