Where does Kevin Love rank among current power forwards?

[Grinder]

He's undoubtedly the best rebounder in the league, one of the best shooting big men, and has shown that he's a threat to get 20/15 regardless of who he's going up against. His post game is steadily improving and he's got that Tim Duncan bank shot down consistently now too. His defense isn't great, but he gets his team so many extra possessions and 2nd chance opportunities with his stellar rebounding.

I loved his game at UCLA, but never thought he'd develop into this good of NBA player this soon. Which power forwards would you guys say are definitively better than Love right now?

[FindingTim]

fine, I'll say it: if Kevin Love was black....

ok ok I'm gonna go a different route: he is really good. he is underrated. his stats are elite. he isn't just a "garbage" scorer like people think. he is one of the smartest players in the league (on the court). you definitely want this guy on your team.

oh yeah, one time I saw K-Love and the UCLA team eating at Olive Garden. They eat a lot.
like, a LOT.

[Midnight Toker]

He cant hold a candle to Ibaka!

[DevilsAssassin]

Top 5

(not in order)
Kevin Love
Dirk Nowtzki
LaMarcus Aldridge
Blake Griffin
Amare Stoudmire

[TaLvsCuaL]

Top 5

(not in order)
Kevin Love
Dirk Nowtzki
LaMarcus Aldridge
Blake Griffin
Amare Stoudmire

Amare over Pau?? :confusedshrug:

[verylegit]

He's undoubtedly the best rebounder in the league, one of the best shooting big men, and has shown that he's a threat to get 20/15 regardless of who he's going up against. His post game is steadily improving and he's got that Tim Duncan bank shot down consistently now too. His defense isn't great, but he gets his team so many extra possessions and 2nd chance opportunities with his stellar rebounding.

I loved his game at UCLA, but never thought he'd develop into this good of NBA player this soon. Which power forwards would you guys say are definitively better than Love right now?
Amar'e Stoudemire
Paul Gasol
Dirk Nowitzki
Chris Bosh
Blake Griffin

[MK2V1GP]

Why does everyone place Griffin ahead of Love? Love brings so much more to the table than Griffin does.

Better rebounder? Love by a mile.
Better shooter? Love by 10 miles.
Better passer? Love.
Better athlete? Griffin.

[brisbaneman]

#3 behind dirkules and aldridge

[Clippersfan86]

Why does everyone place Griffin ahead of Love? Love brings so much more to the table than Griffin does.

Better rebounder? Love by a mile.
Better shooter? Love by 10 miles.
Better passer? Love.
Better athlete? Griffin.

Lol way to stack it. Both are debatable but Griffin is a better passer and scorer. Sure right now after Griffin's drop in PPG yesterday Love has a small scoring edge but over the course of a season Griffin scores better. Funny that you conveniently changed it from scoring to shooting because it favors Love.

Better rebounder: Love
Better scorer: Griffin
Better passer: Griffin
Better defender: Griffin (both are bad but Griffin isn't as bad)
Better athlete: Griffin

Literally the only things Love has the edge in is shooting efficiency and rebounding.


Love is IMO the 2nd most promising PF in the game. I've said countless times that Griffin and Love have the PF spot on lock for the next decade and that I love Kevin's game. That being said people are stat whoring in this comparison. Nobody is watching the games. The only thing Love does better is rebound and shoot. The guy can't create his own offense the way Griffin can. He doesn't have the all around versatility of Griffin either when you include ball handling, court vision, running the plays etc.

[paintingshade]

Love is such a weird player to assess, he's a statistical juggernaught but I don't think anyone would consider his impact along those lines considering the team losses.

That being said, hes an absolute monster on offense. One of the best shooters and one of the best rebounders... That rarely if ever happens.

He's a defense neutral at best.. Other than his rebounding. His opponent production isnt half bad however...

I think wesley Johnson and Beasley are what are really holding the team back though. Reduce their minutes and you'll see more wins.

[kNIOKAS]

Lol way to stack it. Both are debatable but Griffin is a better passer and scorer. Sure right now after Griffin's drop in PPG yesterday Love has a small scoring edge but over the course of a season Griffin scores better. Funny that you conveniently changed it from scoring to shooting because it favors Love.

Better rebounder: Love
Better scorer: Griffin
Better passer: Griffin
Better defender: Griffin (both are bad but Griffin isn't as bad)
Better athlete: Griffin

Literally the only things Love has the edge in is shooting efficiency and rebounding.


Love is IMO the 2nd most promising PF in the game. I've said countless times that Griffin and Love have the PF spot on lock for the next decade and that I love Kevin's game. That being said people are stat whoring in this comparison. Nobody is watching the games. The only thing Love does better is rebound and shoot. The guy can't create his own offense the way Griffin can. He doesn't have the all around versatility of Griffin either when you include ball handling, court vision, running the plays etc.
REALLY? come on man. look at the numbers... you're crazy. I know just defending own player but wait a minute. did griffin ever produce like love? he just had few dunks up high. that's it... and that is really it. so far he's proved as much as darius miles has had. he has yet to prove more.

[brisbaneman]

also i was impressed with Love's defense on lord Dirkules last night.

[brownmamba00]

Better rebounder: Love
Better scorer: Griffin
Better passer: Griffin
Better defender: Griffin (both are bad but Griffin isn't as bad)
Better athlete: Griffin

Love is a kajilion times better at passing. And they cancel each other on D because they both suck equally

[Droid101]

Amar'e Stoudemire
Paul Gasol
Dirk Nowitzki
Chris Bosh
Blake Griffin
Based only on this year's play, you can't really put Bosh, Dirk or Amar'e up there.

[Droid101]

Love is a kajilion times better at passing. And they cancel each other on D because they both suck equally
Based on what? Assists per game? Assist rate?

[Clippersfan86]

Love is a kajilion times better at passing. And they cancel each other on D because they both suck equally

Wow... so we are going to use a couple game sampling size over a full season now? How about you watch both teams. Griffin is a better passer/playmaker and it's not as close as people think. The dude averaged nearly 4 apg last year. Love was at what 2.7? Not only that but when you watch them play... Griffin can actually run plays and make incredible passes.

Only other big that can pass like Griffin in the NBA is Pau Gasol.

[paintingshade]

Lol way to stack it. Both are debatable but Griffin is a better passer and scorer. Sure right now after Griffin's drop in PPG yesterday Love has a small scoring edge but over the course of a season Griffin scores better. Funny that you conveniently changed it from scoring to shooting because it favors Love.

Better rebounder: Love
Better scorer: Griffin
Better passer: Griffin
Better defender: Griffin (both are bad but Griffin isn't as bad)
Better athlete: Griffin

Literally the only things Love has the edge in is shooting efficiency and rebounding.


Love is IMO the 2nd most promising PF in the game. I've said countless times that Griffin and Love have the PF spot on lock for the next decade and that I love Kevin's game. That being said people are stat whoring in this comparison. Nobody is watching the games. The only thing Love does better is rebound and shoot. The guy can't create his own offense the way Griffin can. He doesn't have the all around versatility of Griffin either when you include ball handling, court vision, running the plays etc.

Love is an equal scorer IMO. He's one of the best shooters in the nba.. He fills several roles on offense. Griffin can create shots much better though.

On defense griffin is much worse. Opp production for griffin almost makes his offense moot. Love is far beyond him, even though they both aren't great.

Love is a better passer IMO, but both have very good vision. I think love makes better decisions ultimately, with griffin taking more risks. But hey, they are different types of players. If I was starting a team with no other players, griffin for sure. He has the "it" factor. But if I already had a star? Love no doubt. The lakers and the heat would take love over griffin right now.

[brisbaneman]

dirk is a better passer than both griffin and Love

[RintjeRitsma]

Dirk, Aldridge, Stoudemire and Gasol are still definitely better in my opinion.

[Clippersfan86]

REALLY? come on man. look at the numbers... you're crazy. I know just defending own player but wait a minute. did griffin ever produce like love? he just had few dunks up high. that's it... and that is really it. so far he's proved as much as darius miles has had. he has yet to prove more.

I'm not being bias. I watched Love 15+ times last year and 3 times this year so far. I'm a fan of his. Maybe not the way I am Griffin... but obviously I'm not going to be a homer against a player I really like. LOL at Griffin proving what Darius Miles has.

Here's the difference. Love is in his 4th season and has fielded the worst team in the NBA twice and missed the playoffs all 3 times. Griffin just played his first season. If anybody has watched both players like I have this year... they'd know Griffin is the more well rounded player. Anybody who's saying Love is equal when it comes to passing/playmaking or scoring needs to wait about 10 games until it's revealed to you.

Griffin is going to finish with higher ppg and apg just like last year. Love will finish with better all around shooting efficiency and rebounding, just like last year. Griffin plays slightly better D. Last night Griffin did a very solid job on his hardest cover Aldridge. I'm less impressed with Love beating down on an aging Dirk who looks like a shell of himself compared to last year.

[brisbaneman]

Dirk, Aldridge, Stoudemire and Gasol are still definitely better in my opinion.

I don't know, dirk blows this season. same with amare.

[FireDavidKahn]

Love is an odd player. He isn't a #1 option; however, he is sooo good at what he does he is the best 'second' option in the NBA. I personally feel he is good enough to be labeled a top 5 PF but if you have a problem with putting a guy who isn't a #1 option that high then whatever.

And people need to stop calling him a stat whore. He can go up against anyone and out rebound them as well as getting offensive boards in a crowd of people better than anyone in the NBA.

His defense is also night and day better than last year. This year he is actually contesting shots and the Wolves happen to be the 10th most efficient defense in the league.

[Jameerthefear]

Love isn't the best rebounder in the league imo.

[Sarcastic]

Based only on this year's play, you can't really put Bosh, Dirk or Amar'e up there.

Year? We've played 1 week of the season so far.

[RintjeRitsma]

I don't know, dirk blows this season. same with amare.

I know, but you don't chance these list ever week do you? Dirk and Amare both started this season very rusty (Aldridge also is still getting his legs back), but over a course of a season I would still prefer them over Love.

[DevilsAssassin]

Love is an odd player. He isn't a #1 option; however, he is sooo good at what he does he is the best 'second' option in the NBA. I personally feel he is good enough to be labeled a top 5 PF but if you have a problem with putting a guy who isn't a #1 option that high then whatever.

And people need to stop calling him a stat whore. He can go up against anyone and out rebound them as well as getting offensive boards in a crowd of people better than anyone in the NBA.

His defense is also night and day better than last year. This year he is actually contesting shots and the Wolves happen to be the 10th most efficient defense in the league.

:applause: Kevin Love and the Wolves defense this season:applause:

[MK2V1GP]

Lol way to stack it....

I wasn't stacking it. I just wasn't going to list every single thing. But I think Love is better in many more areas than Griffin, INCLUDING scoring the ball.

[Clippersfan86]

Love is an equal scorer IMO. He's one of the best shooters in the nba.. He fills several roles on offense. Griffin can create shots much better though.

On defense griffin is much worse. Opp production for griffin almost makes his offense moot. Love is far beyond him, even though they both aren't great.

Love is a better passer IMO, but both have very good vision. I think love makes better decisions ultimately, with griffin taking more risks. But hey, they are different types of players. If I was starting a team with no other players, griffin for sure. He has the "it" factor. But if I already had a star? Love no doubt. The lakers and the heat would take love over griffin right now.

What are we going by though? Griffin easily took the assist edge last year. Even the percentages such as assist rates etc point to Griffin being the superior passer/playmaker. The only thing I can think of is that people are only looking at the 4 games to start this season where Griffin is still adapting to 3 new starters. He still hasn't figured out where to find these new players but it's improving.

As for defense... I think at worst they are identical. I agree that Griffin is more of a first option and has that "it" factor.

[Clippersfan86]

I wasn't stacking it. I just wasn't going to list every single thing. But I think Love is better in many more areas than Griffin, INCLUDING scoring the ball.

So just wondering what makes Love the better scorer? Better shooter sure. Ray Allen is a better shooter than Kobe... but is he the better scorer? Griffin can take over games with his scoring. He's a first option, not a second. Prior to last night he was averaging 28 ppg... now he's at 26. So explain why Love is a superior scorer?

Griffin scored more last year and so far he's right behind Love, despite last night where he only took 11 shots and finished with 20 points. Is Love a more versatile scorer? Sure. Is he better at scoring consistently? Hell no. Griffin is much better at playing to his strengths which is why last year he led the league in points in the paint for most of the season till Dwight won by a small margin.

[FireDavidKahn]

Love isn't the best rebounder in the league imo.
The only guy who even has an argument is Howard. If we break it down to defensive and offensive rebounding, I could live with giving Howard the crown; however, Love is pretty much unquestionably better at offensive rebounding then anyone in the NBA.

[FireDavidKahn]

So just wondering what makes Love the better scorer? Better shooter sure. Ray Allen is a better shooter than Kobe... but is he the better scorer? Griffin can take over games with his scoring. He's a first option, not a second. Prior to last night he was averaging 28 ppg... now he's at 26. So explain why Love is a superior scorer?

Griffin scored more last year and so far he's right behind Love, despite last night where he only took 11 shots and finished with 20 points. Is Love a more versatile scorer? Sure. Is he better at scoring consistently? Hell no. Griffin is much better at playing to his strengths which is why last year he led the league in points in the paint for most of the season till Dwight won by a small margin.
Not to nitpick but Love is VERY consistent when it comes to scoring.

ALso, what do you mean "Griffin is better playing to his strengths"? Love is amazing at that as well.

[MK2V1GP]

So just wondering what makes Love the better scorer? Better shooter sure. Ray Allen is a better shooter than Kobe... but is he the better scorer? Griffin can take over games with his scoring. He's a first option, not a second. Prior to last night he was averaging 28 ppg... now he's at 26. So explain why Love is a superior scorer?

Griffin scored more last year and so far he's right behind Love, despite last night where he only took 11 shots and finished with 20 points. Is Love a more versatile scorer? Sure. Is he better at scoring consistently? Hell no. Griffin is much better at playing to his strengths which is why last year he led the league in points in the paint for most of the season till Dwight won by a small margin.

Maybe Love is just a more versatile scorer. But if I had to pick out of the two, I'd rather choose Love. Most of Griffin's points seem to come from lay-ups, dunks and free throws. It's painful watching him shoot a jumpshot and sometimes watching him work one-on-one in the post. Sometimes he makes some good moves, but he's not consistent in his low-post game, but neither is Love. But Griffin can't even make a 10-foot jumper.

I'm just saying my personal preference. If I had to choose one player as a pure basketball player, I'd take Love.

And I actually LIKE Blake Griffin, a lot. So I'm not hating on him. I just see Love as a better, more rounded and skilled player than Griffin.

[Clippersfan86]

Not to nitpick but Love is VERY consistent when it comes to scoring.

Yup. Very consistent... but not as consistent as Griffin. Go look at how many 25+ point games each had last year. Griffin had the longest 20+10 streak since Shaq. Reality here is I don't like people running with 4 game samples and acting like all the sudden Love is better in every single way. I've watched 3 Wolves games this year and I LOVE what they are doing and LOVE their players.

That being said.... people are too hyped right now on pure statistics. Griffin can't do what Love does.. and Love can't do what Griffin does. I have no problem with people preferring Love or saying he's better. What I don't like is people going off a couple games and saying "Love is a gazillion times better passer" and stupid sh** like that.

[Clippersfan86]

Maybe Love is just a more versatile scorer. But if I had to pick out of the two, I'd rather choose Love. Most of Griffin's points seem to come from lay-ups, dunks and free throws. It's painful watching him shoot a jumpshot and sometimes watching him work one-on-one in the post. Sometimes he makes some good moves, but he's not consistent in his low-post game, but neither is Love. But Griffin can't even make a 10-foot jumper.

I'm just saying my personal preference. If I had to choose one player as a pure basketball player, I'd take Love.

And I actually LIKE Blake Griffin, a lot. So I'm not hating on him. I just see Love as a better, more rounded and skilled player than Griffin.

Take a couple minutes of your time and watch this real quick. This was from other day. Griffin dropped 34 with Noah guarding him all game. Tell me this is the same Griffin you saw last year. Or that it's all dunks and free throws. Also you can see Griffin leading a fastbreak fullcourt here and finishing with the brilliant pass. I've honestly never seen this from Love. Griffin does this a few times every game. This is a guy that's dropped spin moves and crossovers on Kobe, Rose etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRNf1MOmSOE

[FireDavidKahn]

Yup. Very consistent... but not as consistent as Griffin. Go look at how many 25+ point games each had last year. Griffin had the longest 20+10 streak since Shaq. Reality here is I don't like people running with 4 game samples and acting like all the sudden Love is better in every single way. I've watched 3 Wolves games this year and I LOVE what they are doing and LOVE their players.

That being said.... people are too hyped right now on pure statistics. Griffin can't do what Love does.. and Love can't do what Griffin does. I have no problem with people preferring Love or saying he's better. What I don't like is people going off a couple games and saying "Love is a gazillion times better passer" and stupid sh** like that.
Fair enough.

[Clippersfan86]

Wolves are my second team right now. I'm extremely proud of what they are doing/building. Rubio+Love are amazing to me. Adelman rocks. The fans have been great. I even made a thread praising the Wolves last night.

[paintingshade]

What are we going by though? Griffin easily took the assist edge last year. Even the percentages such as assist rates etc point to Griffin being the superior passer/playmaker. The only thing I can think of is that people are only looking at the 4 games to start this season where Griffin is still adapting to 3 new starters. He still hasn't figured out where to find these new players but it's improving.

As for defense... I think at worst they are identical. I agree that Griffin is more of a first option and has that "it" factor.

I think in terms of ability griffin is definitely better, I was taking turnovers into consideration more here. Actually love has taken a dip in that regard this year.. But last year he was fantastic at taking care of the ball.

Griffin is really starting to show more this year too.. His turnaround jumper looks really nice.

I thought he was going to add a 3 pointer to his arsenal this year? If he can do that without becoming like rose and relying on it, he'd be incredibly dangerous

[JohnnyWall]

Going into this season, I'd probably put their individual rankings like so...


Kevin Love
Blake Griffin
Pau Gasol
Dirk Nowitzki
LaMarcus Aldridge


With the #1 and #2 positions being very close and likely to change.

[Hernando]

No doubt Amare is the best PF in the league. I would say love is top 10, not top 5. That means he would have to be better than amare, larmarcus aldridge, dirk, Gasol, Kevin Garnet, blake griffin,

[Clippersfan86]

I think in terms of ability griffin is definitely better, I was taking turnovers into consideration more here. Actually love has taken a dip in that regard this year.. But last year he was fantastic at taking care of the ball.

Griffin is really starting to show more this year too.. His turnaround jumper looks really nice.

I thought he was going to add a 3 pointer to his arsenal this year? If he can do that without becoming like rose and relying on it, he'd be incredibly dangerous

Griffin actually has 3 point range. Not like Love where he can actually hit it consistently but more like Bosh and Amare where if you need a bailout 3 he CAN hit it. I'm much happier with Griffin sticking to his strengths than implementing a 3 like Love. Love is a natural lights out shooter, Griffin isn't.

I can't wait till Clips play Wolves because I love watching these PF's go at it. Last year Griffin killed him in the matchup with the Clips going 3-1 including two blowouts... but this year it definitely will be more of a challenge. Wolves and Clippers might be most exciting game of the year :cheers: .

[Clippersfan86]

What's more important here is that while Love and Griffin are dominating (as I predicted) Aldridge has become an afterthought. This offseason and last year I said Love>Aldridge going forward and everybody laughed at me... even Wolves fans called me crazy. Aldridge has reverted back to the Aldridge of 2 years ago where all he does is shoot 18 foot jumpers.

Where are all the Aldridge fans that thought Griffin and Love weren't going to be better? Aldridge is a good player... but I think he went from being extremely underrated to extremely overrated last year. People act like he's the premier PF.

[RaininTwos]

Based only on this year's play, you can't really put Bosh, Dirk or Amar'e up there.
Man wtf, we are in week two of the season how in the hell are we going to base it off this year????:facepalm

PF's better than Love:
Griffin
Bosh
LA
Dirk
Amare

I feel like I'm forgetting someone....

[RintjeRitsma]

What's more important here is that while Love and Griffin are dominating (as I predicted) Aldridge has become an afterthought. This offseason and last year I said Love>Aldridge going forward and everybody laughed at me... even Wolves fans called me crazy. Aldridge has reverted back to the Aldridge of 2 years ago where all he does is shoot 18 foot jumpers.

Where are all the Aldridge fans that thought Griffin and Love weren't going to be better? Aldridge is a good player... but I think he went from being extremely underrated to extremely overrated last year. People act like he's the premier PF.

Aldridge has had no trainingcamp this year. Great post.

[Whoah10115]

I strongly disagree on Griffin's defense. I think he's flat out bad. Love is not a good defender but he plays within a team defense and Blake gets isolated much more often and I disagree that his man defense is good. He has better defensive potential tho, at least as a 1v1 guy.


Griffin is better making plays, because he can take people on. But Love is a better pure passer and does a good job of facilitating thru the post, I feel. Griffin could move into the top 5 this season. Same with Love. But if I had to list, I still have Dirk, then Pau (who somehow is declining, due to a bad playoffs, when really he just looks like he needs to be moved cuz he looks great), Amare, Z-Bo, Bosh.

[04mzwach]

It seems like Griffin has decided to do the opposite with his offensive game. He's going more inside than outside. I've seen him turn down 18 footers quite a bit. Love has developed a sweet step back jumper on the other hand. Love can shoot, so it just makes sense. I don't think Griffin will ever be as good of a shooter as Love. Griffin has that gorilla mentality so it's probably better suiting to his style that he gets in the paint as much as possible. Love is going to have a better all around style of offense. Griffin might step out to the three every now and then but not as often as Love. That's what makes Love so effective on offense. I don't think he'd be much of a player without his jumper. Griffin would probably still be able to be the player he is for the most part because of his good post up game. IMO

[Clippersfan86]

Aldridge has had no trainingcamp this year. Great post.

LOL. So a 1.5-2 week training camp is the difference here? It's weird because he's playing a ton of minutes and doesn't look fatigued. I didn't know not going through training camp forces you to shoot 8 midrange jumpers in a game.

[Clippersfan86]

Man wtf, we are in week two of the season how in the hell are we going to base it off this year????:facepalm

PF's better than Love:
Griffin
Bosh
LA
Dirk
Amare

I feel like I'm forgetting someone....

:roll: . Yes Aldridge, Bosh, Dirk and Amare are better than Love right now. Through 3 games I've watched personally of Love this year... he's looking much improved while the rest of this list is struggling or declining.

I think it's too soon to make long term predictions but RIGHT NOW Love is better than all of these guys. The only guy in the conversation is Griffin. Bosh has played very well but 18 and 8.5 compared to 27 and 15? Get out of here.

[RintjeRitsma]

LOL. So a 1.5-2 week training camp is the difference here? It's weird because he's playing a ton of minutes and doesn't look fatigued. I didn't know not going through training camp forces you to shoot 8 midrange jumpers in a game.

The reason for missing training camp could also have some influence. Great comeback.

Also, to quote you, I watched al his games this year and you should do that too before you make this kind of claims. You could absolutly see he was gassed out in the 4th in a couple of games. Settling for jumpers is in this case a good indication for not being ready.

[RaininTwos]

:roll: . Yes Aldridge, Bosh, Dirk and Amare are better than Love right now. Through 3 games I've watched personally of Love this year... he's looking much improved while the rest of this list is struggling or declining.

I think it's too soon to make long term predictions but RIGHT NOW Love is better than all of these guys. The only guy in the conversation is Griffin. Bosh has played very well but 18 and 8.5 compared to 27 and 15? Get out of here.
I'm not basing it off three games, that's retarded. Amare,Bosh Dirk and Aldridge are definitely better than Love right now, I dont know what Love has done in three games to make that statement laughable. He must be dropping 50/20 in every game so far season or something.

SMH

[Clippersfan86]

The reason for missing training camp could also have some influence. Great comeback.

Also, to quote you, I watched al his games this year and you should do that to before you make this kind of claims. You could absolutly see he was gassed out in the 4th in a couple of games. Settling for jumpers is in this case a good indication for not being ready.

Actually last night for example that didn't happen. Aldridge actually got to the paint twice last night in the 4th quarter and was far less aggressive EARLY in the game. When he was shooting the 18 footers the most was in the first half. Again proving it has nothing to do with fatigue. Reality is... he couldn't get position on Griffin and isn't strong enough to post Griffin up.

DeAndre Jordan made Aldridge look like a role player. Forcing him into tough shot after tough shot.. all misses. Including 2 terrible airballs.

[winwin]

Why does everyone place Griffin ahead of Love? Love brings so much more to the table than Griffin does.

Better rebounder? Love by a mile.
Better shooter? Love by 10 miles.
Better passer? Love.
Better athlete? Griffin.

flashy maybe?

Love > Griffin

[Clippersfan86]

I'm not basing it off three games, that's retarded. Amare,Bosh Dirk and Aldridge are definitely better than Love right now, I dont know what Love has done in three games to make that statement laughable. He must be dropping 50/20 in every game so far season or something.

SMH

Hey I'm not saying you should declare Love the undisputed best after 4 games. I'm saying for you to say that many players are better when Love is dominating and they are all struggling/playing bad is foolish. I didn't say by end of season Love will for sure be best. At this very moment Love is the best or second best at worst PF in the NBA.

[RintjeRitsma]

Aldridge actually got to the paint twice last night in the 4th quarter and was far less aggressive EARLY in the game. When he was shooting the 18 footers the most was in the first half. Again proving it has nothing to do with fatigue.

Again proving? Get of your high horse. It's been pretty obvious Aldridge isn't yet ready to be the player he was last year and it's far more likely that's because of the health issues, then that it is because your non-existing reason.

[Scholar]

:oldlol: @ people saying Griffin is better than Love. What kind of drugs are you guys snorting?
More ESPN highlights =/= better player

Kevin Love is easily a top 3 PF in the league today. He does everything that a PF should do & then some.
Rebounds? Top dude in the league.
Strength? Obviously there.
Offense? He can do everything, but not really provide highlights.
Defense? He's all right, I guess.

Overall, the dude is definitely one of the better PFs currently playing. He's just held back by playing for a less than average team, but it's too early into this season to judge how well the Timberwolves will sync together.

[JohnnyWall]

Again proving? Get of your high horse. It's been pretty obvious Aldridge isn't yet ready to be the player he was last year and it's far more likely that's because of the health issues, then that it is because your non-existing reason.

Griffin and Love both had better seasons last year than LMA though. So... what measurement are you using to say that LMA > Love right now?

[RintjeRitsma]

Griffin and Love both had better seasons last year than LMA though. So... what measurement are you using to say that LMA > Love right now?

Last year Love was not better then Aldridge. To me, Aldrdige contributes more in winning basketball games (playing both sides of the court). It wasn't even close when they played each other.

[Clippersfan86]

Griffin and Love both had better seasons last year than LMA though. So... what measurement are you using to say that LMA > Love right now?

Yup. I personally felt that way too but because Portland had a gelled, well coached, deep team and made the playoffs everybody automatically wanted to say Aldridge>Love and Griffin. Funny thing is it was based off of two dominant months. Griffin and Love were consistently strong all year long.

[Clippersfan86]

Last year Love was not better then Aldridge. To me, Aldrdige contributes more in winning basketball games (playing both sides of the court). It wasn't even close when they played each other.

Griffin also killed Aldridge in H2H last year in 3 out of 4 games. Even Griffin's worst games he had monster boards. Dude averaged like 15+ rebounds vs Portland last year. Point is... H2H doesn't mean jack. I'm more impressed in how a player can sustain all year compared to how he matches up with a couple other top PF's.

[RaininTwos]

Hey I'm not saying you should declare Love the undisputed best after 4 games. I'm saying for you to say that many players are better when Love is dominating and they are all struggling/playing bad is foolish. I didn't say by end of season Love will for sure be best. At this very moment Love is the best or second best at worst PF in the NBA.
:roll:

So Andrea Bargnani is a top 5 big man in the league too right? Because right now he's balling. He is better than Drik/Amare/Bosh/LMA too right? This doesnt sound ridiculous?

Please.

This "right now, three games in" stance is silly. This is basically like calling Love, PF of the week.

Being better than another player is a combination of consistency,skills,making the right plays and impact. You =Prisoner of the moment. Be objective.

Love isnt better than Dirk(a person who many tried to crown as the leagues best player last year:facepalm ), Amare(who was an MVP candidate for a considerable amount of last year), LMA(a player who took over the reigns from Roy and led the Blazers to the playoffs) ,Bosh( nearly averaged 20-10 as a third option behind Bron and Wade, exceptionally skilled as a passer,shooter and played defense way better than love),Griffin(your boy playing a major part of the season without his number two option and having way more impact than love on the court) and Randolph(watch the games dude, nothing more needs to be said, he pretty much nullified the notion of the spurs contending again with that core..raped them)

If you watch the games, there shouldnt be any doubt in your mind.

[RintjeRitsma]

Griffin also killed Aldridge in H2H last year in 3 out of 4 games. Even Griffin's worst games he had monster boards. Dude averaged like 15+ rebounds vs Portland last year. Point is... H2H doesn't mean jack. I'm more impressed in how a player can sustain all year compared to how he matches up with a couple other top PF's.

Yes, it's about how a player matches up with all the PF's in the league. Love is part of that group. H2H isn't the sole reason to pick a player as a better player obviously.

[Clippersfan86]

:roll:

So Andrea Bargnani is a top 5 big man in the league too right? Because right now he's balling. He is better than Drik/Amare/Bosh/LMA too right? This doesnt sound ridiculous?

Please.

This "right now, three games in" stance is silly. This is basically like calling Love, PF of the week.

Being better than another player is a combination of consistency,skills,making the right plays and impact. You =Prisoner of the moment. Be objective.

Love isnt better than Dirk(a person who many tried to crown as the leagues best player last year:facepalm ), Amare(who was an MVP candidate for a considerable amount of last year), LMA(a player who took over the reigns from Roy and led the Blazers to the playoffs) ,Bosh( nearly averaged 20-10 as a third option behind Bron and Wade, exceptionally skilled as a passer,shooter and played defense way better than love),Griffin(your boy playing a major part of the season without his number two option and having way more impact than love on the court) and Randolph(watch the games dude, nothing more needs to be said, he pretty much nullified the notion of the spurs contending again with that core..raped them)

If you watch the games, there shouldnt be any doubt in your mind.

Bargs IS indeed an elite scorer for his position. If he got more shots/touches he can easily be a 25 ppg player a few times. The problem is his 6 rebounds a game. Any big who puts up 6 rpg is going to be called out. I have no problem with you saying you personally prefer those players but RIGHT NOW Love is a top 2 PF SO FAR this year. Doesn't mean by season end but right now based on how they are all playing... Love beats them out.

[CardiacKemba]

:roll: . Yes Aldridge, Bosh, Dirk and Amare are better than Love right now. Through 3 games I've watched personally of Love this year... he's looking much improved while the rest of this list is struggling or declining.

I think it's too soon to make long term predictions but RIGHT NOW Love is better than all of these guys. The only guy in the conversation is Griffin. Bosh has played very well but 18 and 8.5 compared to 27 and 15? Get out of here.

:facepalm 18 and 8.5 as the teams third scoring option (when the first two options are 25+ guys) is incredible. Love is a great player and has obviously improved his game immensely in the off season, but he plays on a team that inflates his stats. Do people really think if he went to LA he would still grab 15 boards with Bynum next to him? 25 points with Kobe?

PF's better than Love (at the moment):

Aldrige
Bosh
Dirk
Gasol
Griffin
Stat

[FireDavidKahn]

:facepalm 18 and 8.5 as the teams third scoring option (when the first two options are 25+ guys) is incredible. Love is a great player and has obviously improved his game immensely in the off season, but he plays on a team that inflates his stats. Do people really think if he went to LA he would still grab 15 boards with Bynum next to him? 25 points with Kobe?

PF's better than Love (at the moment):

Aldrige
Bosh
Dirk
Gasol
Griffin
Stat
:oldlol: @ Bosh. Love would be much better for Miami than Bosh is if for no other reason than his rebounding, ability to shoot from 3, his propensity for getting easy put backs off of offensive rebounds, and the amount of fouls he draws. Bosh does none of that.

I also can't believe people still think he is a stat padder.:oldlol:

[Clippersfan86]

:facepalm 18 and 8.5 as the teams third scoring option (when the first two options are 25+ guys) is incredible. Love is a great player and has obviously improved his game immensely in the off season, but he plays on a team that inflates his stats. Do people really think if he went to LA he would still grab 15 boards with Bynum next to him? 25 points with Kobe?

PF's better than Love (at the moment):

Aldrige
Bosh
Dirk
Gasol
Griffin
Stat

It doesn't matter if Bosh is a 3rd option. If he wanted to shine as an individual you don't team up with two superstars, top 5 players. Bosh's 18 and 8.5 are far from top 5 PF right now. That's stupid. That would be like me saying Craig Smith of a few ago was a top 5 PF because his PER 36 was 18.5 ppg, 8.4 rpg, and 2 apg.

It's a load of crap and just another way that you agenda pushers around here try to make a point. Kevin Love>Chris Bosh PERIOD. Maybe you feel Bosh is more skilled... but Kevin Love contributes a lot more and more consistently.

[Nash]

:oldlol: @ Bosh. Love would be much better for Miami than Bosh is if for no other reason than his rebounding, ability to shoot from 3, his propensity for getting easy put backs off of offensive rebounds, and the amount of fouls he draws. Bosh does none of that.

I also can't believe people still think he is a stat padder.:oldlol:
Bosh has been great so far. Bosh's stats would have been so much more impressive if he wasn't playing with Wade and Lebron. People tend to forget that when rating Bosh.

[Clippersfan86]

Bosh has been great so far. Bosh's stats would have been so much more impressive if he wasn't playing with Wade and Lebron. People tend to forget that when rating Bosh.

It's such a crap excuse though. That would be like if last year I said.... Eric Gordon was a second option but if he was a first option like Kobe.. he would put up better stats and be better than Kobe. It's just not logical to rank players with that kind of criteria. The only way to rank is skill+production+consistency. IMO Love kills Bosh in all 3.

[Nash]

It doesn't matter if Bosh is a 3rd option. If he wanted to shine as an individual you don't team up with two superstars, top 5 players. Bosh's 18 and 8.5 are far from top 5 PF right now. That's stupid. That would be like me saying Craig Smith of a few ago was a top 5 PF because his PER 36 was 18.5 ppg, 8.4 rpg, and 2 apg.

It's a load of crap and just another way that you agenda pushers around here try to make a point. Kevin Love>Chris Bosh PERIOD. Maybe you feel Bosh is more skilled... but Kevin Love contributes a lot more and more consistently.
Bosh as 1st option without Bron and Wade last season in Toronto. 24 pts 11 rebounds.

[FireDavidKahn]

:facepalm 18 and 8.5 as the teams third scoring option (when the first two options are 25+ guys) is incredible. Love is a great player and has obviously improved his game immensely in the off season, but he plays on a team that inflates his stats. Do people really think if he went to LA he would still grab 15 boards with Bynum next to him? 25 points with Kobe?

PF's better than Love (at the moment):

Aldrige
Bosh
Dirk
Gasol
Griffin
Stat
He could easily average 15 boards next to Bynum. He has had the same rebounding percentage ever since he was a rookie and sophomore year when he played with Big Al.

25 points playing next to Kobe would be a stretch but he probably could easily attain 20 if Pau was out of the picture.

[FireDavidKahn]

Bosh has been great so far. Bosh's stats would have been so much more impressive if he wasn't playing with Wade and Lebron. People tend to forget that when rating Bosh.
I'm not denying that he has played pretty good, just arguing Love would be a better option for Miami than Bosh would.

[Nash]

It's such a crap excuse though. That would be like if last year I said.... Eric Gordon was a second option but if he was a first option like Kobe.. he would put up better stats and be better than Kobe. It's just not logical to rank players with that kind of criteria. The only way to rank is skill+production+consistency. IMO Love kills Bosh in all 3.
If Gordon was the 1st option last season his stats would have been higher and people would have rated him much higher. Anyway, Gordon was the second option with a rookie in Blake as the 1st option. Bosh is the 3rd option behind the 2 best players in the league who also happen to be the biggest ball hoggers. Can't compare Bosh's situation to anything out there.

[Clippersfan86]

Bosh as 1st option without Bron and Wade last season in Toronto. 24 pts 11 rebounds.

Kevin Love is putting up 25+, 15+ and 3+ apg. Bosh's best season in Toronto can not touch, sorry. Hell even Love's numbers last season can't be touched by prime Bosh on Raptors.

[RaininTwos]

Kevin Love is putting up 25+, 15+ and 3+ apg. Bosh's best season in Toronto can not touch, sorry. Hell even Love's numbers last season can't be touched by prime Bosh on Raptors.
Its not just about numbers smh, Bosh on the Raptors was doing whatever it took for his team to win.

[FireDavidKahn]

Its not just about numbers smh, Bosh on the Raptors was doing whatever it took for his team to win.
Am I missing something?

Bosh led the Raptors to the play offs 2 times while he was in Toronto. His teams were also awful until his 4th year, just like Love so far.

[Whoah10115]

Stats are great and I love them, but you're not gonna judge Bosh, based on his stats. That's not enough.

[RaininTwos]

Am I missing something?

Bosh led the Raptors to the play offs 2 times while he was in Toronto. His teams were also awful until his 4th year, just like Love so far.

Bosh led his teams to wins /=/ making the playoffs

Bosh's teams were awful as well. He wasnt winning only 17 games though. that's ridiculous. Love deserves flak for that, if you are a big time player you should be able to squeeze more than 17 wins out of a team. WTF is that?

[Clippersfan86]

Bosh was a laughingstock superstar. Even other teams didn't defend him like a superstar. Rarely was he double teamed. Rarely did anybody talk about him when talking about the top players in the game. He was considered an "empty stats" kind of guy just like some considered Love last year.

[FireDavidKahn]

Stats are great and I love them, but you're not gonna judge Bosh, based on his stats. That's not enough.
I'm not judging him based off stats, I'm judging him based off what he brings to the table versus Love in a secondary role.

[FireDavidKahn]

Bosh led his teams to wins /=/ making the playoffs

Bosh's teams were awful as well. He wasnt winning only 17 games though. that's ridiculous. Love deserves flak for that, if you are a big time player you should be able to squeeze more than 17 wins out of a team. WTF is that?
Because Love isn't a first option! Oh my gosh idk how many times I am going to have to say that. Love is however, the best second option kind of player in the NBA and is sooo damn good at it.

[RaininTwos]

Bosh was a laughingstock superstar. Even other teams didn't defend him like a superstar. Rarely was he double teamed. Rarely did anybody talk about him when talking about the top players in the game. He was considered an "empty stats" kind of guy just like some considered Love last year.
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[FireDavidKahn]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
If you're going to bash Love for empty stats than you're just being a hypocrite if you don't do the same for Raptors Bosh.

[LJJ]

Am I missing something?

Bosh led the Raptors to the play offs 2 times while he was in Toronto. His teams were also awful until his 4th year, just like Love so far.

Exactly. He led horrible Raptors teams to the playoffs.

How many times has Love led his -much more talented- Timberwolves teams to the playoffs? How many times? Does he have a shot at ever having that kind of impact?

[Clippersfan86]

If you're going to bash Love for empty stats than you're just being a hypocrite if you don't do the same for Raptors Bosh.

He's clearly resigned to being a hypocrite and not budging on common sense stuff. Bosh put up great stats and the Raptors only had one great year that stands out. Even then they had multiple good contributions. 5 players that scored 11+, 8 that scored 8.5 plus. It wasn't a case where Bosh was carrying a scrub team like people make it out to be.

Besides that.... Bosh was never regarded as a legit first option you build a franchise around. He's the same as Love in that regard. Elite second option, not considered a first.

[RaininTwos]

If you're going to bash Love for empty stats than you're just being a hypocrite if you don't do the same for Raptors Bosh.

I guess empty stats has a new meaning. If Bosh was putting up empty stats, then what are Love's? I want to know because I've seen Bosh take over games, consistently make plays that allowed us to win even though we had a horrible roster. Even when Jalen Rose's corpse was starting for us Bosh still led us to 27 wins.

I think I'm talking to Love stans in this thread.

[CardiacKemba]

Kevin Love is putting up 25+, 15+ and 3+ apg. Bosh's best season in Toronto can not touch, sorry. Hell even Love's numbers last season can't be touched by prime Bosh on Raptors.

He won't put up 25 a game all season.

[Clippersfan86]

Exactly. He led horrible Raptors teams to the playoffs.

How many times has Love led his -much more talented- Timberwolves teams to the playoffs? How many times? Does he have a shot at ever having that kind of impact?

I usually agree with you but you're completely abusing context. Love had to deal with many things such as a young team trying to find an identity etc. He didn't have the veteran presence Bosh did. Not to mention last season was a peak for the western conference. Memphis had to win 47 games just to get an 8th seed. In the east in the year Bosh led Raptors to 47 wins they were the 3rd seed.

Bosh played in the east when it was arguably at it's weakest in NBA history. You know that's the case when the team representing the east is the Cavs. A team that got swept in the finals because they had nobody but Lebron. Before the big 3 in Boston, after some of the good eastern conference teams like Detroit, Philly, Milwaukee, Chicago had declined or were declining.

[The_Yearning]

Hollow stats... hollow impact. I honestly didn't know a damn thing about the Wolves ever since KG left... now everyone knows about T'Wolves because of Rubio... he brings a winners mentality to this team.

[Clippersfan86]

He won't put up 25 a game all season.

It doesn't matter. If it drops to 22 and 15 to go with 3+ assists AND the Wolves are competing... he's still better than Bosh's 18 and 8. If I needed a reliable second option... I'd take Love on my team before Bosh.

[FireDavidKahn]

Exactly. He led horrible Raptors teams to the playoffs.

How many times has Love led his -much more talented- Timberwolves teams to the playoffs? How many times? Does he have a shot at ever having that kind of impact?
:roll: Like I already pointed out, Bosh's teams were HORRIBLE until his 4th year. Love's teams have been HORRIBLE until now, his 4th year.

Also, how in the hell are you going to argue that the teams Love have been on were talented?

Rookie year: Barely played 25 minutes and wasn't the "leader"
Sophomore year: Started to get more playing time but again wasn't the "leader" of the team
3rd year: The only other player of note besides Love was Beasley who wasn't very good
4th year: Wow, surprise! His team looks pretty good.

Bosh also played with much better team mates in Toronto including Bargnani, Calderon, turkey glue, Marion, and O'neal

Versus:

Beasley

[FireDavidKahn]

Hollow stats... hollow impact. I honestly didn't know a damn thing about the Wolves ever since KG left... now everyone knows about T'Wolves because of Rubio... he brings a winners mentality to this team.
It's reflected in your post.

[Dictator]

Impact>Stats(To A Degree)

[RaininTwos]

He's clearly resigned to being a hypocrite and not budging on common sense stuff. Bosh put up great stats and the Raptors only had one great year that stands out. Even then they had multiple good contributions. 5 players that scored 11+, 8 that scored 8.5 plus. It wasn't a case where Bosh was carrying a scrub team like people make it out to be.

Besides that.... Bosh was never regarded as a legit first option you build a franchise around. He's the same as Love in that regard. Elite second option, not considered a first.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/TOR/2007.html

That team had no depth and was incredibly flawed:facepalm

TJ Ford and Bargs shot shitty percentages too especially since they weren't the first option. Inconsistent scoring from the bench, don't pull out some scoring statistic and say that they weren't a bad team.

Who cares about when they got it done, there is no excuse for losing 56 games. I don't care what conference you are in, if you are an All-Star player and play in 73 games during the regular season.....there is no excuse in the world to lose 56 of them especially in your third season. That's not having an impact.

[RaininTwos]

Bosh also played with much better team mates in Toronto including Bargnani, Calderon, turkey glue, Marion, and O'neal



You dont know anything about the Raptors then.:facepalm

This dude just listed Hedo and JO as good teammates.

[LJJ]

I usually agree with you but you're completely abusing context. Love had to deal with many things such as a young team trying to find an identity etc. He didn't have the veteran presence Bosh did. Not to mention last season was a peak for the western conference. Memphis had to win 47 games just to get an 8th seed. In the east in the year Bosh led Raptors to 47 wins they were the 3rd season.

Bosh played in the east when it was arguably at it's weakest in NBA history. You know that's the case when the team representing the east is the Cavs. A team that got swept in the finals because they had nobody but Lebron. Before the big 3 in Boston, after some of the good eastern conference teams like Detroit, Philly, Milwaukee, Chicago had declined or were declining.

The only argument you can make is that the East is weaker than the West, which is true.

But that team that Bosh led to a very good record was truly awful in those days. Rookie Andrea Bargnani, "not worthy of a roster spot on any other team in the league" Juan Dixon and "out of the league in one season" Jorge Garbajosa all logging heavy starter minutes.

The only saving grace of that team was that TJ Ford was somewhat of a decent middle-of-the-pack point guard, other then that nobody on that team could play defense or offense. They had a horrible coach.

That team was all Bosh.


Bosh never really lived up to the standard he set that season, but it still gives him a comfortable margin of credibility over a player like Kevin Love. Who has had one good season of leading his team to 15 wins.

[FireDavidKahn]

You dont know anything about the Raptors then.:facepalm

This dude just listed Hedo and JO as good teammates.
Never said they were good, I said they were better than anything Love has played with.


Edit: Love also had one of the worst coaches in history coaching the team.

[Teanett]

love
bizmac
mcroberts
cardinal
glen davis

in that order

[RoseCity07]

Actually last night for example that didn't happen. Aldridge actually got to the paint twice last night in the 4th quarter and was far less aggressive EARLY in the game. When he was shooting the 18 footers the most was in the first half. Again proving it has nothing to do with fatigue. Reality is... he couldn't get position on Griffin and isn't strong enough to post Griffin up.

DeAndre Jordan made Aldridge look like a role player. Forcing him into tough shot after tough shot.. all misses. Including 2 terrible airballs.

You are so delusional. Aldridge was posting up Griffin every time with no problem. He hit to fade aways in his face and Griffin couldn't even contest with his short arms. Griffin couldn't stop Aldridge in the post which is why you saw double teams coming as often as possible. Griffin is a terrible defender and I do mean terrible. Kurt Thomas was stroking shots in his face.

Players don't like guarding Griffin because he flops at the slightest bit of contact. It's just sad how you try and down play Aldridge because all you see is Clipper games. Aldridge won player of the month last year. Did Griffin do that? Did Griffin drop 40 on the Spurs and Bulls?

[Teanett]

forgot kurt thomas. that guy's a beast.

[brisbaneman]

You are so delusional. Aldridge was posting up Griffin every time with no problem. He hit to fade aways in his face and Griffin couldn't even contest with his short arms. Griffin couldn't stop Aldridge in the post which is why you saw double teams coming as often as possible. Griffin is a terrible defender and I do mean terrible. Kurt Thomas was stroking shots in his face.

Players don't like guarding Griffin because he flops at the slightest bit of contact. It's just sad how you try and down play Aldridge because all you see is Clipper games. Aldridge won player of the month last year. Did Griffin do that? Did Griffin drop 40 on the Spurs and Bulls?

I just want to say that Aldridge was the toughest/best player my Mavs faced all postseason.

[FireDavidKahn]

ATM Love is tearing the Spurs a new one

[BGriffin's Dad]

You are so delusional. Aldridge was posting up Griffin every time with no problem. He hit to fade aways in his face and Griffin couldn't even contest with his short arms. Griffin couldn't stop Aldridge in the post which is why you saw double teams coming as often as possible. Griffin is a terrible defender and I do mean terrible. Kurt Thomas was stroking shots in his face.

Players don't like guarding Griffin because he flops at the slightest bit of contact. It's just sad how you try and down play Aldridge because all you see is Clipper games. Aldridge won player of the month last year. Did Griffin do that? Did Griffin drop 40 on the Spurs and Bulls?

Blake won Rookie of the Year - did Aldridge? Nope.
Blake made the All-Star team last year - did Aldridge? Nope.
Blake averaged 22.5/12.1/3.8 - did Aldridge? Nope.

oh, also..

Blake had 2 triple-doubles last season - Aldridge? 0.
Blake had 63 double-doubles last season - Aldridge? 36.

[Teanett]

nobody plays better at the 4 than love right now.
25/15, clutch baskets, he even plays defense.
:bowdown:

[Gory Lobotomist]

IMO
1.Dirk
2.Amare
3.Love
4.Pau
5.Aldridge

Love is amazing and could surpass Amare and Dirk this year but, coming in I still have to put those guys ahead. Dirk is getting old and slowing down though. So by next year I could see Love being the best PF/Big man in the league.

[Dave3]

REALLY? come on man. look at the numbers... you're crazy. I know just defending own player but wait a minute. did griffin ever produce like love? he just had few dunks up high. that's it... and that is really it. so far he's proved as much as darius miles has had. he has yet to prove more.
:facepalm :facepalm

Proved as much as Darius Miles? When did Darius average 23/12/4?

If anything, Griffin is underrated from his dunks. People see them and assume that's why he's hyped. People don't see the hustle, the ball handling, the amazing touch around the rim, and the perpetual aggressiveness.

[Alisse]

Based on current form, Love >= Griffin = Paul > Dirk > Amare > Garnett

[La Frescobaldi]

Man it's smokin in this thread!!

When do Wolves & clippers meet that's when we can see a little clearer

[La Frescobaldi]

January 20 & February 28 matchup

[Teanett]

i never thought i'd be looking forward to a wolves-clippers game.
no, even more, i cant fukkin wait!!!
:rockon:

[La Frescobaldi]

i never thought i'd be looking forward to a wolves-clippers game.
no, even more, i cant fukkin wait!!!
:rockon:
I know right it's like manna from the skies

[Bigsmoke]

I have Love over Duncan and KG.

but.... i gotta see more to rank him over Bosh or Blake.

[Bigsmoke]

i never thought i'd be looking forward to a wolves-clippers game.
no, even more, i cant fukkin wait!!!
:rockon:

I expect Blake Griffen to drop 40 points.:lol

[Teanett]

I have Love over Duncan and KG.

but.... i gotta see more to rank him over Bosh or Blake.

atm he's better than both.

[Rose]

Dirk
Zbo
Bosh
Griffin
Love/Amare?

[Grinder]

Now seems like a good time to discuss this again.

Didn't have a great game by his standards but drained the dagger. It was time for K-Love to have his signature game winner like any other superstar.

My thoughts on the shot. (http://hoopsgrind.wordpress.com/2012/01/21/friday-observations/)

[rosonviyavong]

Lamarcus Aldridge
Dirk Nowitzki
Kevin Love
Amare Stoudemire/Griffin/Bosh (Can't decide)
Tim Duncan

[Bigsmoke]

real talk... I have dude at 4th place

Dirk
Blake
LA
Love

[ODEN>DURANT]

1. Dirk Nowitzki
2. LaMarcus Aldridge
3. Kevin Love
4. Blake Griffin
5. Chris Bosh

[LBJMVP]

aldridge
nowitzki
love
blake
bosh

yes, aldridge is the best PF in the league.

plus love is puttin up 25 and 15.
those number are crazy!! i wouldnt saw they are completely empty stas because
the timberwolves have been comin pretty close to beatin some good teams
like OKC, miami, memphis, atlanta. plus they have beatin teams like
Dallas, San Antonio, and the clippers.

[La Frescobaldi]

glad to see Love getting some good reviews so far it has been 'stat padder' type comments but he's the real deal