Bynum over Howard [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

9erEmpire

01-04-2012, 01:50 AM

This guy is finally doing what he's been drafted to do and that is too beast. Beast like a man that just got out of jail and locked in a room with a virgin school girl. Rough and brutal throat stuff.

It would make no sense for the Lakers to acquire Dwight. They would be giving up too much for Dwight. If Kobe holds up play and Drew doing what he's doing...they both can be all star starters and win another championship.

20 20 beast tonight!

rule1223

01-04-2012, 01:54 AM

if orlando wants bynum they better throw in a couple picks for the lakes to consider

AngelEyes

01-04-2012, 01:56 AM

Bynum + Gasol would be a horrific trade for Los Angeles.

9erEmpire

01-04-2012, 01:56 AM

if orlando wants bynum they better throw in a couple picks for the lakes to consider

I agree but at this point Bynum has huge upside.

FashionIssues

01-04-2012, 01:57 AM

keep do not want

talkingconch

01-04-2012, 01:57 AM

Yeah the Lakers aren't gonna give up both Gasol and Bynum.

But I hope Bynum for Dwight is be done - if Orlando can't find a better deal (which they really can't). Lopez is injured so I don't see NJ really making any moves.

9erEmpire

01-04-2012, 01:59 AM

I honestly think he can school Howard too.

One important thing for the Lakers this year, is to give Pau a role. Rebound and get to the line.

If Bynum keeps doing this, the Lakers will be fine.

talkingconch

01-04-2012, 02:00 AM

I honestly think he can school Howard too.

One important thing for the Lakers this year, is to give Pau a role. Rebound and get to the line.

If Bynum keeps doing this, the Lakers will be fine.

you still go with dwight Howard, listen to c-webb right now talking about it in the post-game show. Dwight Howard cements the future for the Lakers, you do it if it means giving up bynum who is injury prone (from his past) to get the best center in the game, 2x DPOY or is it 3

Jameerthefear

01-04-2012, 02:00 AM

Bynum is a great player but health is too big of an issue to just write him off. Bynum is someone who could play well for the magic

ShowTime LA

01-04-2012, 02:02 AM

if orlando wants bynum they better throw in a couple picks for the lakes to consider
Howard + nelson for bynum

themurph

01-04-2012, 02:03 AM

bluechox2

01-04-2012, 02:05 AM

:facepalm

LA_Showtime

01-04-2012, 02:06 AM

I wouldn't mind keeping Bynum around if he could stay healthy, but that's obviously not guaranteed. I still think Howard for Bynum would be a good trade to make.

Kobe 4 The Win

01-04-2012, 02:06 AM

Bynum has been capable of this kind of play for several years. The key is, will he stay healthy? I pray that he does. I like our players. We could use some more young active legs, but I'm not one of those guys who says we should trade the house for CP3 or Howard.

Fawker

01-04-2012, 02:06 AM

Bynum gets it over Dwight. Just the footwork and slam dunking aside.

themurph

01-04-2012, 02:08 AM

Bynum gets it over Dwight. Just the footwork and slam dunking aside.

See post 11...

Miserio

01-04-2012, 02:08 AM

Howard's still the better player, don't be such overreacted b1tches

Jameerthefear

01-04-2012, 02:10 AM

Lakers get Dwight and I think they win the championship. Bynum I think they still have a chance if he doesn't disappear in the playoffs.

rule1223

01-04-2012, 02:10 AM

offense: bynum>>>>>>>>dwight
defense: dwight>>bynum

9erEmpire

01-04-2012, 02:13 AM

At this point I will take offense over defense since we have another 7 footer in the paint.

I'm not saying Pau is great defensively but his long presence in the hole is orgasmic to many.

G-Funk

01-04-2012, 02:15 AM

Lakers are set up front they just need some young talented studs @ PG and SF specially a PG. And they r good. Bynum absorbed Odoms minutes. Lakers should have traded Odom for a PG. Still can get 1 with PE

9erEmpire

01-04-2012, 02:16 AM

Lakers are good defensively and we need offense besides Kobe in the playoffs. I don't think Dwight can give you that in the post season.

nbacardDOTnet

01-04-2012, 02:18 AM

offense: bynum>>>>>>>>dwight
defense: dwight>>bynum

d12 was 2 blocked within 2 mins.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20NBA%20etc/1%20L%20A%20Lakers/Andrew%20Bynum/AndrewBynumblocksdwighthoward100-1.gif

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20NBA%20etc/1%20L%20A%20Lakers/Andrew%20Bynum/AndrewBynumblocksdwighthoward100307.gif

TOUCH MY BODY

01-04-2012, 02:19 AM

Howard/Bynum are men amongst boys on the court.

Miserio

01-04-2012, 02:19 AM

Lakers are good defensively and we need offense besides Kobe in the playoffs. I don't think Dwight can give you that in the post season.
Oh my god I can't believe you are THIS stupid for just 1 great game by Bynum. He's good and everything but he's not on Howards class, you don't think Dwight can give you that in the post season? He averaged 27/15 in 63% last post season.

9erEmpire

01-04-2012, 02:21 AM

Oh my god I can't believe you are THIS stupid for just 1 great game by Bynum. He's good and everything but he's not on Howards class, you don't think Dwight can give you that in the post season? He averaged 27/15 in 63% last post season.

The stats are nice and all but I am talking about experience, winning culture, the things that Bynum has over Howard.

Just look for more of this from Bynum, if healthy.

As a Lakers fan, there are certain players that deserve to be a Laker and there a certain guys that don't.

HeyIt'sMe

01-04-2012, 02:22 AM

d12 was 2 blocked within 2 mins.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20NBA%20etc/1%20L%20A%20Lakers/Andrew%20Bynum/AndrewBynumblocksdwighthoward100-1.gif

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20NBA%20etc/1%20L%20A%20Lakers/Andrew%20Bynum/AndrewBynumblocksdwighthoward100307.gif

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=howardw01&p2=bynuman01

Maybe one day he'll actually outplay Dwight head-to-head as well. People get an orgasm when Bynum has games like this, but for Magic fans, it's ho-hum. Dwight is better, and it's not even particularly close. He has the entire offense ran through him, while also having to expend a good majority of his energy on defense to cover up his teammates' deficiencies all the while still being a monster on the boards.

People like Bynum because he looks sexier with his moves, but he's not a better player at all. BTW, that's the same play, but way to make things up.

SpecialQue

01-04-2012, 02:22 AM

I love Bynum as much as the next Laker fan, but let's not pretend we don't spend most of the season with our fingers crossed that he doesn't get injured. The Lakers would still have to add pieces with a Bynum trade in order to make it work, just probably not Gasol since Bynum's been playing so well. It would be beyond idiotic to give up that much for Howard.

Miserio

01-04-2012, 02:23 AM

The stats are nice and all but I am talking about experience, winning culture, the things that Bynum has over Howard.

Just look for more of this from Bynum, if healthy.

As a Lakers fan, there are certain players that deserve to be a Laker and there a certain guys that don't.
Dwight carried his team to the finals while Bynum was carried two times. There's nothing you can do to make Andrew look better than Dwight, please don't be that stupid.

9erEmpire

01-04-2012, 02:25 AM

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=howardw01&p2=bynuman01

Maybe one day he'll actually outplay Dwight head-to-head as well. People get an orgasm when Bynum has games like this, but for Magic fans, it's ho-hum. Dwight is better, and it's not even particularly close. He has the entire offense ran through him, while also having to expend a good majority of his energy on defense to cover up his teammates' deficiencies all the while still being a monster on the boards.

People like Bynum because he looks sexier with his moves, but he's not a better player at all. BTW, that's the same play, but way to make things up.

not good to bring up there head to head considering that Bynum played less minutes.

Healthy and mature Bynum will hold his own against Dwight.

RoseCity07

01-04-2012, 02:26 AM

The overreaction threads are hilarious. Bynum has 20-20 Kobe drops 37 and they beat the Rockets by 9 points. Let's see this kind of play for a month at least before says Bynum is better than Dwight Howard. Just because you have the loudest voice doesn't mean it's right.

HeyIt'sMe

01-04-2012, 02:30 AM

not good to bring up there head to head considering that Bynum played less minutes.

Healthy and mature Bynum will hold his own against Dwight.

Bynum plays less minutes because he can't handle Howard for a whole game. There's been games where he's outplayed Howard for a half, then Dwight comes out and steps it up in the second and Bynum can't hang. Besides, even if you extrapolated Bynun's numbers out, in 42 minutes he'd still average more than two PPG less than Dwight in 36 minutes.

9erEmpire

01-04-2012, 02:32 AM

Bynum plays less minutes because he can't handle Howard for a whole game. There's been games where he's outplayed Howard for a half, then Dwight comes out and steps it up in the second and Bynum can't hang. Besides, even if you extrapolated Bynun's numbers out, in 42 minutes he'd still average more than two PPG less than Dwight in 36 minutes.

2?

is that all?

people make it seem like there's a big difference.

:violin:

HeyIt'sMe

01-04-2012, 02:37 AM

2?

is that all?

people make it seem like there's a big difference.

:violin:

Two PPG is a big difference, especially when you consider that if you extrapolated Bynum's 21.2 MPG against Dwight to double that, he'd be playing six more MPGs than Dwight. He also shoots significantly worse than Howard from the field.

All Net

01-04-2012, 06:09 AM

I wouldn't mind keeping Bynum around if he could stay healthy, but that's obviously not guaranteed. I still think Howard for Bynum would be a good trade to make.

If Bynum does not stay heathly I would agree but for now? Bynum looks great.

YAWN

01-04-2012, 06:20 AM

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/8260/qbd.png

i hope he can stay healthy for the next handful of years.

pauk

01-04-2012, 06:36 AM

dont want to overreact.... but i must be real here... if Bynum continues what he is doing right now... he could easily be the best C in the game...

Clutch

01-04-2012, 08:02 AM

Just imagine if Lakers trade Gasol + fillers for Dwight.

Dwight Howard and healthy Bynum duo :eek:

:bowdown:

All Net

01-04-2012, 08:16 AM

Just imagine if Lakers trade Gasol + fillers for Dwight.

Dwight Howard and healthy Bynum duo :eek:

:bowdown:
Not sure how that would work to be honest...

kidachi

01-04-2012, 12:28 PM

Just let them go. It's they're rule. A Monster game = you're leveled up.

Pointguard

01-04-2012, 12:33 PM

Just imagine if Lakers trade Gasol + fillers for Dwight.

Dwight Howard and healthy Bynum duo :eek:

:bowdown:
Two guys that can't pass, need the ball, on a Kobe team??? Not enough balls, not enough stardom to go around, not enough good judgment either. Good lab experiment but that's about it.

DFish

01-04-2012, 02:01 PM

Just imagine if Lakers trade Gasol + fillers for Dwight.

Dwight Howard and healthy Bynum duo :eek:

:bowdown:

You don't actually watch basketball games, do you?

masonx20

01-04-2012, 02:09 PM

I'll take Howard over Bynum any day. Howard is more athletic and Lakers obviously need someone like him to run and play running teams like the Heat.

01-04-2012, 02:32 PM

As per NBATVs stat guy: Dwight: 33 20/20 games.

Drew: 1

Dial it down...
Just another kid on the internet, he doesn't know anything but overreaction

Dwight 8 years in the league 573 games 572 games started
Bynum 7 years in the league 335 games 243 games started

Kid finally has the game everyone's been waiting for for 7 years an suddenly he's the second coming of Wilt

Scholar

01-04-2012, 02:43 PM

I wouldn't get rid of Bynum + Gasol for Howard, but Bynum for Howard? Maybe.
Howard is a proven perennial All-Star who almost single-handedly led his team to a ring a few years back, albeit with a great team of supporting players that year, while Bynum has been a constant injured Center.
He's playing phenomenally right now, but how long can he keep it up? Howard has kept it up since his Rookie season.

Phanatik

01-04-2012, 04:23 PM

I am a die hard Lakers fan and I would take Howard over Bynum right now in a heartbeat. Bynum just looks soft still compared to Howard. Every little bump from defenders throws Bynum off balance. Howard can go up through defenders' arms, take the contact and still throw down the dunk. I think Howard is just a better "big". I agree that Bynum might be more finesse, but that's not what the Lakers need alongside Pau. We need one finesse big (Pau) and one tough big (Howard). With that said, I would definitely do Bynum for Howard straight up, but not Bynum+Gasol for Howard.

Fiasco

01-04-2012, 04:29 PM

Howard has established himself over 7 years of basketball in the NBA, yet somehow Bynum is a better player than he is because of 3 games?

Morons.

Dengness9

01-04-2012, 04:55 PM

Just wait for one of Bynum's 40 year old man knee's to tear up and see what this dude(OP) is posting.

You think Knee injuries on a humongous 7 ft'er get better over time???

No, they get worse. He'll get injured again this year.

And 1 more thing.... Bynum and winning culture??? dude isn't a winner he just plays for a winning franchise. Bynum is a frontrunner.

Dude was saying Lakers would beat Bulls 72-10 record after the Lakers won the chip. PATHETIC!

Hedo15

01-04-2012, 05:18 PM

Howard has established himself over 7 years of basketball in the NBA, yet somehow Bynum is a better player than he is because of 3 games?

Morons.

Agreed. It was Bynum's first 20/20 game last night, Howard has 33 20/20 games. Enough said. Guy is playing well though.

k-vil

01-04-2012, 05:29 PM

Love 30 / 30 > Dwight and Bynum's 20 / 20.

K Love is better.:D

Blue&Orange

01-04-2012, 05:32 PM

Bynum still have the about to drop dead look on his face every time he is running up and down the court.

LemonMan

01-04-2012, 05:36 PM

Dwight is better now there's no question about that and theres no argument you can make against that right now. Bynum has been beasting it lately but thats a few games during the begining of the season, you can't compare 3 games to the multiple years dwight has consistently done amazing. Lets assume Bynum manages to keep his temper in check, and stay healthy, I think he has a lot of potential to become a pretty damn good player, and maybe the future for the Lakers. Problem is, he has worse knees than a peraplegic horse. Bynum + trash for howard, I think, would be a fairly decent trade. Bynum + Gasol = horrible trade for Lakers. As of right now though, Howard > Bynum. We can't speak of the future since it hasn't happened yet

9erEmpire

01-04-2012, 05:52 PM

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/8260/qbd.png

i hope he can stay healthy for the next handful of years.

this.

If people are crowning a new player every year based on stats. Kobe's been doing this for 16 years at a high level and somehow he's not the best. Dwight been doing this for 7 years with his double doubles but he should not be the best.

Going by many people's logic, it's what you have done for me lately and this year Bynum is better than Dwight.

Bynum has been better than Dwight in many aspects. Howard's been injury free.

LemonMan

01-04-2012, 05:58 PM

this.

If people are crowning a new player every year based on stats. Kobe's been doing this for 16 years at a high level and somehow he's not the best. Dwight been doing this for 7 years with his double doubles but he should not be the best.

Going by many people's logic, it's what you have done for me lately and this year Bynum is better than Dwight.

Bynum has been better than Dwight in many aspects. Howard's been injury free.
but dude you're forgetting how many games have been played this season. you can't make a comparison based off of a few games otherwise you could compare kobes 2 games of 12/42 or whatever it was and compare it to some scrub off the bench of a shit team who had a really good 2 games and based off that say that he is a better player than kobe now. Averages require a large sample size to be accurate and we've only seen bynum for a few games and he's been doing well don't get me wrong, but the important thing is consistency. This season just started ffs

Boston C's

01-04-2012, 06:02 PM

there should not be one single person in here... no scratch that, on the face of the planet that says they wouldnt trade bynum for howard straight up if they had the chance.....

9erEmpire

01-04-2012, 06:03 PM

but dude you're forgetting how many games have been played this season. you can't make a comparison based off of a few games otherwise you could compare kobes 2 games of 12/42 or whatever it was and compare it to some scrub off the bench of a shit team who had a really good 2 games and based off that say that he is a better player than kobe now. Averages require a large sample size to be accurate and we've only seen bynum for a few games and he's been doing well don't get me wrong, but the important thing is consistency. This season just started ffs

I know what you are saying but let's not get too crazy. You are comparing Kobe to scrubs.

Bynum and Howard warrants a comparison, they are far from being scrubs.

9erEmpire

01-04-2012, 06:03 PM

there should not be one single person in here... no scratch that, on the face of the planet that says they wouldnt trade bynum for howard straight up if they had the chance.....

I wouldn't.

Magic better throw another player into the trade.

Bynum's bigger, weighs more, shoots better than Dwight. Don't let those fancy dunks fool you.

He's not a good fit for the Lakers.

Shade8780

01-04-2012, 06:04 PM

LemonMan

01-04-2012, 06:07 PM

I know what you are saying but let's not get too crazy. You are comparing Kobe to scrubs.

Bynum and Howard warrants a comparison, they are far from being scrubs.
the two players being compared is a secondary issue. First you have to make sure the method you are using to compare the two is a valid method. And in my opinion, 3 games doesn't tell you much

9erEmpire

01-04-2012, 06:09 PM

:facepalm

a very good response. glad you took the time responding by posting a smiley.

Yes, Magic better throw another player. There gain of Bynum is much more valuable than letting Howard walk next year for nothing.

It's not what Howard is worth...you better get somebody good for him and Bynum's good. That's better when dude walks next year.

Shade8780

01-04-2012, 06:14 PM

a very good response. glad you took the time responding by posting a smiley.

Yes, Magic better throw another player. There gain of Bynum is much more valuable than letting Howard walk next year for nothing.

It's not what Howard is worth...you better get somebody good for him and Bynum's good. That's better when dude walks next year.
Yes, I did respond with a smiley because I didn't want to go into a huge rant about how Dwight is better than Bynum.

Boston C's

01-04-2012, 06:23 PM

I wouldn't.

Magic better throw another player into the trade.

Bynum's bigger, weighs more, shoots better than Dwight. Don't let those fancy dunks fool you.

He's not a good fit for the Lakers.

And your absolutely serious about this... if lakers management decided to trade bynum for howard straight up today... you would not approve of the trade?

knickswin

01-04-2012, 06:50 PM

i think bynum is better than howard.

Blue&Orange

01-04-2012, 08:15 PM

I can only imagine the level of idiocy if instead of a 20-20 bynum did something like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs5TPniQtJ4

G-Funk

01-04-2012, 08:34 PM

I wouldn't.

Magic better throw another player into the trade.

Bynum's bigger, weighs more, shoots better than Dwight. Don't let those fancy dunks fool you.

He's not a good fit for the Lakers.

mad trolling:oldlol: This can't be taken serious, IF Bynum was Healthy ur statement would be true.

wakencdukest

01-04-2012, 08:42 PM

I actually like Bynums inside game better than Howards but, Howard is an elite athlete and defender, and is clearly more durable. Based on that and Bynums history, I would be ok with that trade, as long as it doesn't include Gasol. If it's gonna happen it better happen soon while Bynum is Playing at a high level, because the next knee injury could happen at any moment.

ConanRulesNBC

01-04-2012, 09:09 PM

Lakers would be idiots not to do Bynum for Dwight Howard straight up. If they could keep Gasol and add Howard to go along with Kobe that is a contending team. They're still a solid team with Bynum. Hopefully, Bynum has the best season of his career so far. I want to see him play well and stay healthy.

9erEmpire

01-04-2012, 09:10 PM

mad trolling:oldlol: This can't be taken serious, IF Bynum was Healthy ur statement would be true.

He is healthy.

Draz

01-04-2012, 09:25 PM

Bynum gets it over Dwight. Just the footwork and slam dunking aside.

That's crazy. Howard is built to last longer, Bynum will just break his knees in the next 2 games and it'll be back to normal for you guys.

Cali Syndicate

01-04-2012, 09:42 PM

If Bynum can stay healthy AND get enough touches to play up to his potential, Dwight may finally have some competition at the top.

But at this juncture, I still take Dwight over Bynum all day.

9erEmpire

01-04-2012, 09:46 PM

Bynum's fine and he a size advantage over Dwight.

When healthy, Bynum will do just fine against Orlando.

Phil was kind of holding back Bynum last couple of years. He would have Lamar in there for crunch time.

Jameerthefear

01-04-2012, 10:06 PM

Dwight 28 points and 20 rebounds tonight.

Orlando Magic

01-04-2012, 10:08 PM

Dwight 28 points and 20 rebounds tonight.

Yawn. It's Dwight. If it were Bynum, on the other hand, some people would act like he was the GOAT. lol...

9erEmpire

01-04-2012, 10:34 PM

Dwight 28 points and 20 rebounds tonight.

againt Wiz?...you got to be kidding me, Magic's other player got 15 rebounds:facepalm

9erEmpire

01-04-2012, 10:36 PM

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/8260/qbd.png

.

this

G-Funk

01-04-2012, 10:38 PM

Yawn. It's Dwight. If it were Bynum, on the other hand, some people would act like he was the GOAT. lol...
It has to do more with the fact that ppl didn't believe Bynum can be that good.

HeyIt'sMe

01-04-2012, 10:39 PM

againt Wiz?...you got to be kidding me, Magic's other player got 15 rebounds:facepalm

I forgot about those juggernaut front courts Bynum has faced. lol @ you.

GatorKid117

01-04-2012, 10:41 PM

I forgot about those juggernaut front courts Bynum has faced. lol @ you.

Jordan Hill, GOAT post defender.

Jameerthefear

01-04-2012, 10:43 PM

againt Wiz?...you got to be kidding me, Magic's other player got 15 rebounds:facepalm
Ryan isn't a bad rebounder. And Bynum played scholar yesterday..

G-Funk

01-04-2012, 10:49 PM

I forgot about those juggernaut front courts Bynum has faced. lol @ you.

u act like only Howard faces juggernaut front courts. Point is,s theirs no such think as juggernaut front courts in todays league

HeyIt'sMe

01-04-2012, 10:50 PM

I like how people try to discredit Howard's rebounding because of his teammates - it's such an old and overused argument. Dwight averaged 10 RPG as a skinny 18 year old right out of high school - he's an awesome rebounder regardless of the pieces around him. If anything, having the responsibilities he does on offense AND defense, all the while having other teams know he's the only guy to worry about on the boards, and he's STILL able to grab rebounds the way he does is impressive.

Instead of just generalizing about his teammates, actually watch him play sometime. He gets a ton of rebounds out of his area, they very rarely just fall into his lap.

Jameerthefear

01-04-2012, 10:56 PM

greymatter

01-05-2012, 12:39 AM

I watch just about every magic game. The things Dwight does defensively I just done think that many players could lead his this team to where they are like Dwight has. That is why it's hard for me to be mad at him.

What most of these idiots who are saying how inflated Dwight's rebounding stats are ignoring is the fact that Orlando has consistently been in the bottom third of the league in pace as well as the fact that when you're challenging as many shots as Dwight does, you mostly wind up taking yourself out of being able to grab the rebound.

GatorKid117

01-05-2012, 01:02 AM

What most of these idiots who are saying how inflated Dwight's rebounding stats are ignoring is the fact that Orlando has consistently been in the bottom third of the league in pace as well as the fact that when you're challenging as many shots as Dwight does, you mostly wind up taking yourself out of being able to grab the rebound.

Also that Orlando has consistently been one of the best rebounding teams in the league.

Doing that single handedly as everyone is suggesting is quite remarkable for one man.

Unstoppabull

01-05-2012, 01:16 AM

Why is everyone overreacting? It's only 3 games, it's a small sample size.

Dwight Howard is clearly better than Bynum. Bynum might be bigger, but Dwight is more athletic and more mobile and impacts a team more than Bynum.

If the Lakers could get Howard for Bynum straight up, I would do it. If LA has to throw Gasol in, then it's not worth it.