No perimeter player in NBA history has footwork comparable to Kobe

[rule1223]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW-ejPA-Fdc&t=7m35s

my god that was nice, cannot imagine any other player doing anything remotely close to that without traveling or falling over, also notice how natural that was for him, he didnt have to premeditate it like most other players when trying to do these pivot moves

[Kblaze8855]

Ignoring for a moment the obvious people to mention....

Penny and Gary Payton have pulled some moves around the basket that would have people swooning if Kobe did it.

[La Frescobaldi]

Ignoring for a moment the obvious people to mention....

Penny and Gary Payton have pulled some moves around the basket that would have people swooning if Kobe did it.
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he was great in his day, one of the few

[bwink23]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW-ejPA-Fdc&t=7m35s

my god that was nice, cannot imagine any other player doing anything remotely close to that without traveling or falling over, also notice how natural that was for him, he didnt have to premeditate it like most other players when trying to do these pivot moves



How about the GOAT, Michael Jordan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJcEUPr4qdM

at 4:38 of the video.

[jlip]

Have to agree with Kblaze especially regarding Penny.

[asdf1990]

How about the GOAT, Michael Jordan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJcEUPr4qdM

at 4:38 of the video.

that was nastier than anything kobe has done in his career

[(e)]

Penny

[Sarcastic]

Clyde Drexler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjiyLhHrPyA)

[dajadeed]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l053a5oYxc&feature=fvst

[jstern]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0GCyU0sKxqI#t=142s

Hakeem Olajuwon clip.

[dajadeed]

that was nastier than anything kobe has done in his career

:facepalm

[rule1223]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vqvg9NgP5uw
simply amazing

[bwink23]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJcEUPr4qdM

2 moves, from 6:10 to 6:20.....Jordan

[LemonMan]

kobe has hands down, some of the most amazing footwork of a perimeter player in the history of the NBA, but wouldn't say he has the best
Penny, Jordan come to mind

[G-Funk]

I have to agree. Hes unpredictable, never know what move he will do. Jordan was a lot more predictable but was unstopable.

I dont understand why his haters are afraid to accept it. It doesnt rank him any higher in the All-time list.

[bwink23]

I have to agree. Hes unpredictable, never know what move he will do. Jordan was a lot more predictable but was unstopable.

I dont understand why his haters are afraid to accept it. It doesnt rank him any higher in the All-time list.


Tell that to the guys who had to guard him every night.

[jstern]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJcEUPr4qdM

2 moves, from 6:10 to 6:20.....Jordan

That fade away right there is one of the biggest difference that I see in Jordan and Kobe. Kobe’s whole game is based on copying moves which is not a criticism, but Jordan was more natural. It’s hard to explain, but as a copier you tend to commit, pre plan what you’re going to do, set up, etc and commit. There Jordan completely broke his defender with the first fake, and rather than committing, he saw that another defender was rushing and he still could have taken a good shot, but he went back the other way. It’s a little hard to explain the difference that I’m talking about. It’s a subtle thing that makes a big difference. Jordan just had much better instincts.

[heyhey]

[QUOTE=jstern]That fade away right there is one of the biggest difference that I see in Jordan and Kobe. Kobe

[bwink23]

it's called stannery. if MJ was taking a dump you be praising him for his natural bowl movement.


It's called INNOVATION...Jordan revolutionized the guard-post game in ways never seen before. Don't be mad that Kobe grew up as alot of us did...watching and idolizing Michael Jordan's game. Kobe's the biggest Jordan stan there is.

[jstern]

it's called stannery. if MJ was taking a dump you be praising him for his natural bowl movement.

I bet you got offended when I said that Kobe copies move, and I said that copying move is not a criticism to prevent people like you from getting mad. It's just my honest opinion. In fact I think it was Phil Jackson that wonder if Kobe had vision problem because he would just take a difficult shot, not seeing his open teammates, but it's not his vision, it's that he pre plans a move and that stops a person from reacting to different circumstances. In his defense that Phil comment (or one of the other Lakers coaches comments) was 10 years ago, so he has improved.

[gtfomyface]

jordan's are nice but they don't look as smooth as kobes, at least from my perspective.

[knickswin]

jordan was more economic than kobe (more physically gifted . . . stronger, quicker first step) but kobe definitely has better footwork and handle.

jordan was definitely the better player though.

[jstern]

jordan was more economic than kobe (more physically gifted . . . stronger, quicker first step) but kobe definitely has better footwork and handle.

jordan was definitely the better player though.

I agree, and wanted to mention something similar.

Back in the year 2000 I was thinking about the difference between Kobe and Jordan, and I thought that Jordan was more about the 1st step, and one quick moves to get a shot off, Kobe he dribbles more trying set up a move, and later that night I was watching a game and they asked Kobe that same question, and he said the exact same thing. I felt like a psychic.

It was interesting to see that Kobe was so aware of that, because I figure he would find that Jordan style more efficient.

I will disagree about the handles because Jordan turned the ball over less. Even Phil said that when comparing the two. And I guess the difference in approach favors that Jordan style.

Kobe tries to put more style. Style is what attracted the kids to the NBA, And1 stuff, but I find Jordan's approach much more effective. Not that his game didn't have style, just more fundamentally sound and more effective and based more on reflex rather than forcing a move.

[bwink23]

I agree, and wanted to mention something similar.

Back in the year 2000 I was thinking about the difference between Kobe and Jordan, and I thought that Jordan was more about the 1st step, and one quick moves to get a shot off, Kobe he dribbles more trying set up a move, and later that night they I was watching a game and they asked Kobe that same question, and he said the exact same thing. I felt like a psychic.

It was interesting to see that Kobe was so aware of that, because I figure he would find that Jordan style more efficient.

I will disagree about the handles because Jordan turned the ball over less. Even Phil said that when comparing the two. And I guess the difference in approach favors that Jordan style.

Kobe tries to put more style. Style is what attracted the kids to the NBA, And1 stuff, but I find Jordan's approach much more effective. Not that his game didn't have style, just more fundamentally sound and more effective and based more on reflex rather than forcing a move.



That's a good assessment....Jordan was more for a "Point A, Point B" type of player, as in get to a spot as shortly and abruptly as possible. You will rarely ever see Jordan dance on the perimeter trying to get a guy to react. Jordan initiated the move and made the defender react to him, and so on and so forth...His game wasn't about And-1 flashy dribbles.

[G-Funk]

Tell that to the guys who had to guard him every night.
Tell em what? That Jordan was predictable in the post but couldn't be stopped? Im sure they would agree

[G-Funk]

jordan was more economic than kobe (more physically gifted . . . stronger, quicker first step) but kobe definitely has better footwork and handle.

jordan was definitely the better player though.
This, I'm surprised to see some ppl who actually watched Both play.

[Pointguard]

Why is Hakeem's move considered a big deal when smaller guys rock real pimp moves on the perimeter.

Check Pearl out at the 15 second mark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny2Sh2uFSSg

Check Kobe out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTmBrtv336E

Check Rose out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nROp109RRhM

[swi7ch]

Kobe copied everything from Jordan.

[rule1223]

Kobe copied everything from Jordan.
kobe took everything jordan did well and made it more effective and more aesthetic

[bwink23]

Why is Hakeem's move considered a big deal when smaller guys rock real pimp moves on the perimeter.

Check Pearl out at the 15 second mark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny2Sh2uFSSg

Check Kobe out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTmBrtv336E

Check Rose out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nROp109RRhM


First of all, you haven't seen enough Olajuwon...Second, cuz he was damn near 7-feet tall who could play like a guard.

[bwink23]

kobe took everything jordan did well and made it more effective and more aesthetic


I see you got jokes now...being aesthetic is a matter of opinion...being more effective is a blatant lie.

[Micku]

Why is Hakeem's move considered a big deal when smaller guys rock real pimp moves on the perimeter.

Check Pearl out at the 15 second mark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny2Sh2uFSSg

Check Kobe out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTmBrtv336E

Check Rose out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nROp109RRhM

Hakeem was a guard in a center's body. He's like the most skilled center ever. Watch the many ways he could score:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7tPZ-KljR0

[AlphaWolf24]

I see you got jokes now...being aesthetic is a matter of opinion...being more effective is a blatant lie.

not really....Kobe is a much more effective scorer and more dangerous from more areas of the court then MJ ever was

[bwink23]

not really....Kobe is a much more effective scorer and more dangerous from more areas of the court then MJ ever was



PROVE IT>

[Pointguard]

Hakeem was a guard in a center's body. He's like the most skilled center ever. Watch the many ways he could score:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7tPZ-KljR0
You on the money. No argument there.

[NastyCrossover1]

Jordan's footwork >= Kobe's footwork

[AlphaWolf24]

PROVE IT>


ok....I'll post every game of Jordan's career....and then every game of Kobe's...

you will see Kobe is a much more effective / dangerous scorer from a larger area of the court.....

may take awhile but it's EZ 2C















next

[sekachu]

I have to agree. Hes unpredictable, never know what move he will do. Jordan was a lot more predictable but was unstopable.

I dont understand why his haters are afraid to accept it. It doesnt rank him any higher in the All-time list.



:roll: That would be opposite way, Kobe is predictable, that's why he always make tough shot but unstoppable.

[bwink23]

[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]ok....I'll post every game of Jordan's career....and then every game of Kobe's...

you will see Kobe is a much more effective / dangerous scorer from a larger area of the court.....

may take awhile but it's EZ 2C


That's what i thought.

[Glide2keva]

Kobe stans, :facepalm

[Glide2keva]

I see you got jokes now...being aesthetic is a matter of opinion...being more effective is a blatant lie.
This.

Kobe's best game style is a worse version of Jordan's old man game. Jordan's Prime, blows Kobe's game out of the water.

[dude77]

not really....Kobe is a much more effective scorer and more dangerous from more areas of the court then MJ ever was

Michael Jordan won 7 CONSECUTIVE 'scoring' titles .. interrupted due to the retirement .. came back and won 3 more CONSECUTIVE titles .. had he not retired he would have most likely won 12 straight scoring titles .. you don't know wtf you're talking about

to say that kobe is more effective at scoring than Jordan is so dumb that you deserve to be smacked around :facepalm

[abuC]

Why is Hakeem's move considered a big deal when smaller guys rock real pimp moves on the perimeter.

Check Pearl out at the 15 second mark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny2Sh2uFSSg

Check Kobe out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTmBrtv336E

Check Rose out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nROp109RRhM


6"7 is the average height in the NBA, guards with nice footwork is a lot less impressive than big guys doing the same thing. Most people Hakeem's height are usually uncoordinated as hell, meanwhile he moved like basketball was ballet.

[N0Skillz]

Jordan stans :facepalm

[Nevaeh]

kobe took everything jordan did well and made it more effective and more aesthetic on worse efficiency and more turnovers

Corrected

[9erEmpire]

Michael Jordan won 7 CONSECUTIVE 'scoring' titles .. interrupted due to the retirement .. came back and won 3 more CONSECUTIVE titles .. had he not retired he would have most likely won 12 straight scoring titles .. you don't know wtf you're talking about

to say that kobe is more effective at scoring than Jordan is so dumb that you deserve to be smacked around :facepalm

MJ wasn't as durable as people think. It wasn't a retirement, he was resting up after 3 straight season and playoffs plus Finals.

There was no way he would have kept that level of intensity.

Sometimes I wish Kobe can take a break but he doesn't like baseball.

[Micku]

James Worthy had pretty good footwork. He might not as flashy as Kobe, but great.

[Nevaeh]

This.

Kobe's best game style is a worse version of Jordan's old man game. Jordan's Prime, blows Kobe's game out of the water.

Kobe was smart imitating "Fade Away" MJ's game style. He would've broke bones trying to imitate 85-89 MJ. :oldlol:

[bwink23]

MJ wasn't as durable as people think. It wasn't a retirement, he was resting up after 3 straight season and playoffs plus Finals.

There was no way he would have kept that level of intensity.

Sometimes I wish Kobe can take a break but he doesn't like baseball.


Coming from someone who never saw Jordan play...Jordan has far more 80+ seasons, played more minutes per game, while doing it with a style that would invite major injury. Jordan = cyborg, Kobe = tissue paper...Jordan played more minutes at 40 years old than Kobe did at 32.

[9erEmpire]

Coming from someone who never saw Jordan play...Jordan has far more 80+ seasons, played more minutes per game, while doing it with a style that would invite major injury. Jordan = cyborg, Kobe = tissue paper...Jordan played more minutes at 40 years old than Kobe did at 32.

so why did he retire twice and then decide to comeback.

He rested his mind and body.

You honestly think MJ can keep playing. I bet you are another one of those idiots that think he would win 8 in a row.

[bwink23]

so why did he retire twice and then decide to comeback.

He rested his mind and body.

You honestly think MJ can keep playing. I bet you are another one of those idiots that think he would win 8 in a row.

Jordan retired at the tail end in his physical prime...how much time you need to rest, you get a few months off fool. Jordan didn't feel like he had the challenges he was looking for, so he moved to fullfill his father's wishes and play baseball. The second comeback was an itch that needed to be scratched. He retired at 35 as the best in the game...had the Bulls worked to keep the core intact he would have stayed, but he didn't want to start over at 35 years old. DUH.

Jordan = well-oiled machine...Kobe = needs regular maintenance.

[juju151111]

so why did he retire twice and then decide to comeback.

He rested his mind and body.

You honestly think MJ can keep playing. I bet you are another one of those idiots that think he would win 8 in a row.
How can you call someone a idiot when you said MJ copied Kobe game when he was on the wizards. Do you know how ****ing retarded u sound? MJ was 39 how the **** would mj be copying anyone u idiot.

[9erEmpire]

:bowdown:
Jordan retired at the tail end in his physical prime...how much time you need to rest, you get a few months off fool. Jordan didn't feel like he had the challenges he was looking for, so he moved to fullfill his father's wishes and play baseball. The second comeback was an itch that needed to be scratched. He retired at 35 as the best in the game...had the Bulls worked to keep the core intact he would have stayed, but he didn't want to start over at 35 years old. DUH.

Jordan = well-oiled machine...Kobe = needs regular maintenance.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=128881&page=6

[bwink23]

:bowdown:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=128881&page=6


WRONG...Jason Kidd is 38 and still going...John Stockton played until he was 40, without retirement. EXCUSES EXCUSES

The fact that Jordan went his whole career without major injury his comeback at 39, speaks volumes....how many injuries has Kobe had his entire career, EXACTLY....while playing a more perimeter-oriented game where you won't get injured...while Jordan attacked the basket relentlessly with no regard.

Jordan = made of steel rods...Kobe = made of tin cans.

[bwink23]

:bowdown:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=128881&page=6

Kobe still has not passed Jordan in total minutes played during the regular season, and i'm not even including Jordan's 3,100 minutes played at North Carolina.

[9erEmpire]

WRONG...Jason Kidd is 38 and still going...John Stockton played until he was 40, without retirement. EXCUSES EXCUSES

The fact that Jordan went his whole career without major injury his comeback at 39, speaks volumes....how many injuries has Kobe had his entire career, EXACTLY....while playing a more perimeter-oriented game where you won't get injured...while Jordan attacked the basket relentlessly with no regard.

Jordan = made of steel rods...Kobe = made of tin cans.

when you have years to rest between seasons...of course you are going to be fresh.

Kobe played more season then MJ and that's not counting playoffs and Finals. He's played in 7 Finals vs MJ's 6 Finals.

[bwink23]

when you have years to rest between seasons...of course you are going to be fresh.

Kobe played more season then MJ and that's not counting playoffs and Finals. He's played in 7 Finals vs MJ's 6 Finals.

Kobe had what, at least 2 knee surgeries when he was younger?? What did rest have to do with that?? Jordan wasn't sitting around eating Cheetohs, he was working on his baseball game....like i said, you don't need YEARS to rest, just one month would do it. LOL, your DESPERATE.

Yeah Kobe's played more games, DUH....Does that make him more durable?? NO...

Jordan = made of iron....Kobe = granola bar.

[G-Funk]

??

[bwink23]

when you have years to rest between seasons...of course you are going to be fresh.

Kobe played more season then MJ and that's not counting playoffs and Finals. He's played in 7 Finals vs MJ's 6 Finals.


Kobe has played about 700 more minutes in the playoffs than Jordan...but Jordan's 3100 minutes at North Carolina negates that.

[9erEmpire]

Kobe had what, at least 2 knee surgeries when he was younger?? What did rest have to do with that?? Jordan wasn't sitting around eating Cheetohs, he was working on his baseball game....like i said, you don't need YEARS to rest, just one month would do it. LOL, your DESPERATE.

Yeah Kobe's played more games, DUH....Does that make him more durable?? NO...

Jordan = made of iron....Kobe = granola bar.

stop living in the past...it makes you look foolish.

MJ fans should be all grown up now and take care of the wife and kids and stop arguing about MJ.

[9erEmpire]

Kobe has played about 700 more minutes in the playoffs than Jordan...but Jordan's 3100 minutes at North Carolina negates that.

I find it funny that you are comparing a college season to an NBA season.

[bwink23]

I find it funny that you are comparing a college season to an NBA season.


It's basketball kid....period. When Kobe was playing limited minutes in his first 2 years, Jordan was starting at the D-1 college level pulling over 30 minutes a game. No comparison...i find it funny how you Kobe stans overrate Kobe's longetivity as if he was starting from the outset playing major minutes....at 18 years old no less, when your body is most equipped to handle the minutes.

[G-Funk]

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[G-Funk]

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[G-Funk]

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[G-Funk]

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[G-Funk]

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[thelucifer69]

kobe took everything jordan did well and made it more effective and more aesthetic
"more effective"? you're joking right?

[G-Funk]

predictable? hardly

[G-Funk]

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[Legends66NBA7]

Actually, Kobe has had a couple of guys he's looked up too and watched to get where his footwork is at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlcW85KMwrw

[comerb]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW-ejPA-Fdc&t=7m35s

my god that was nice, cannot imagine any other player doing anything remotely close to that without traveling or falling over, also notice how natural that was for him, he didnt have to premeditate it like most other players when trying to do these pivot moves

Too bad he uses it to take poor shots.

[La Frescobaldi]

Actually, Kobe has had a couple of guys he's looked up too and watched to get where his footwork is at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlcW85KMwrw

That's a great clip actually